Sex, Love, and What Else Matters - It’s KYLE CHAN!

Episode Date: April 18, 2024

Episode 105. This week, Kristen and Luke are joined by Kyle Chan of Kyle Chan Design. You’ve seen his work on Vanderpump Rules, Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, the movie “La La Land” and so much more!  Kyle opens up for the first time about his experience with Scandoval both before the news broke last year and what followed after. From the messages he was getting from strangers on social media, to texts from his own friends - he talks about how it effected him and everyone around them at that time. He has a message for all the fans as well as for Rachel. Kyle also talks about how he got introduced to the Bravo world, his start in the jewelry business, and tips+tricks for balancing life that you can start incorporating in your life today. Be sure to check out Kyle Chan Design in person at his flagship store in West Hollywood next time you’re in town! There’s a lot to digest in this episode and you don’t want to miss it.  Sponsors: Head to Viiahemp.com and use the code DOUTE to receive 15% off + one free sample of their sleepy Dreams gummies. (21+).  Go to Addyi.com and use code DOUTE for a $10 telemedicine appointment Follow us: @kristendoute @luke__broderick Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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It's so fun. We are. This is just a very exciting revamp for us. We had lost some energy, you know, and now we got it all back. And I've got extra energy today because of our very special guest, Kyle Chan, joining us in the studio today. Yay! Kyle Chan!

Thank you for having me. Of course. I mean, it's super exciting because this is the only podcast that you've done other than Tom Sandoval's. Yes. This is actually my first podcast after the scandal broke. I did not accept any interviews. I did not do any public statement.

And this is the first time that it's not under Tom Sandoval. Well, thank you for accepting our invite. Yes. We call it an invite. Sort of. I've been waiting because I'm actually really excited for you guys and I love your podcast. And we love you. So you guys I'm sure all of you know who Kyle Chan is. Like if you live under a rock maybe you don't. Kyle Chan design, Kyle Chan jewelry, he's just the best jeweler in town. Sorry, not sorry, it's true.

So Kyle, I think I met you, I wanna say like 2011, but that would have been before VPR. That would have been season one. So maybe it was 2012. I think it's season two. Okay. That's when I met everybody. Okay, that makes sense. And of season one, when Pump was open, I think,

somewhere around there. That was your. And of season one when pump was open, I think somewhere around there. That was your party at pump, right? No, actually it was, um, I met Tom and everybody at the opening of pump. That's right. Yeah. Your part, you had a party at pump. That was like season four or five. Yeah.

Cause I was there for that. Yeah. But I remember Katie's ring and you've obviously done like everyone's wedding rings and not because we don't know anyone else or you're the Vanderpump jeweler per se, like not that we're like bullying you into being the jeweler. It's because you are one of a kind. Oh, thanks. No, it's true. We can't pigeonhole Kyle into being just a jeweler. I mean, it's your business and it's an incredible business and everything, but I mean mean you're an all-around great guy. You've become my best friend in California. I mean we've got a lot in

common. That's gonna make me cry. I love Luke. It really does make me want to cry sometimes. Luke always says Kyle's my best friend in LA and I'm like there's no one better I would rather have be your best friend in LA. It's super random. I think we met at, best friend in LA. It's super random. I think we met at, um, is it Santa's birthday party? That was my first time in LA actually. Uh, that's where we met and I was on mushrooms. 2022. You were on mushroom that day?

I didn't know that. It was 2022, July of 2022. Yeah. Yep. And we went to Santa and Ariana's house. Yep. Oh my god. I don't know how the subject popped up, but then we start talking about like little home

and reptiles and all of the things that we're into. You have a better memory than me. Like I said, I was not sober. I think that's how I remember. I believe Kyle. Yeah. No, I remember those things coming up, but it's like little snippets. You know, it's not a clear memory of it all.

I do remember the reptile love happening that quickly. So if you guys are just joining Balancing Act, if you are just joining mine and Luke's podcast, we have, I say we have three dogs and a baby dinosaur. We have a gecko, a gargoyle. Luke has a gargoyle gecko named Bronx that he got when he was with Kyle at a reptile convention. Yep and he actually lives at Kyle chain design right now when I'm in Colorado. He's been there for like at least a month now I think. It's almost a month right? Yeah. I think that's right. Yeah well if you want to come visit bronze, you can stop by my store.

You know, I'll come get him. Yeah. I'll take him at some point. I'll come get him. I just need, yeah, travel, you know, my employee love bronze. Like we're getting used to him being there. Okay. Good.

Well, that's great. Amazing. So your place right now it's on West third street in West Hollywood, which is like the biggest hot spot for me. Truly, Kyla, I'm not lying. I'm not a Rodeo Drive girl. If I am going to order like top-notch, like Rodeo Drive type stuff, I'm like ordering it online or I'm drunk in Vegas and I accidentally like wander into the Gucci store. But for me, Third Street in WeHo is the epitome of shopping and dining. And for you to have the most gorgeous storefront, not just a storefront, but a two-story,

insanely gorgeous storefront. So when I met you, you had a little place downtown. And I'm going to tell you, I don't know anything about jewelers. What I knew when I first met you, you had a little place downtown. And I'm going to tell you, I don't know anything about jewelers. What I knew when I first met you was like Kay's. Kay's jewelers are like those kind of like mall stores. I didn't know that they were like real jewelers, which is wild because my sister is a gemologist technically. What? Yeah.

Casey? Yeah. I didn't know that. Yeah. So I'm familiar with gems, jewels, rhinestones compared to like, I always go to my sister for that, but I've never known like an actual jeweler, like a one man stop shop, who knows as much as you know. Yeah. So you know, I call you like every five seconds. I'm like, what's my ring size again? Is this a cool one?

I send you all the photos. But when we first met, you had this place downtown. And then very shortly after, there was like a competition. Not a con. How do you work? It was sort of like project runway. Yeah. But then it was, it was organized by the mall by Hollywood and Highland. And then for those of you don't live in LA, it's the epitome of Hollywood. It's like where everyone goes, every tourist. When I didn't live in LA, I went there every single day that I visited Hollywood and Highland. It's a very exciting mall.

There's a lot going on. It's almost too much. You got to have a pop-up shop there for a year. I won a competition. So then I got that storefront for for free. Mm-hmm. Yeah It was three months free. Oh, it's three months free. I thought it was a year Three months, but then I extend it to almost eight months Okay, but then I wanted to continue and sign on for another two years

But they said if I needed to stay I need to follow their business schedule Which is ten to ten and I can to follow their business schedule, which is 10 to 10 and I can't do 10 to 10. No, hell no. Hell no. No, that's a lot. Some people have lives. Yeah.

And you know, me being Asian, if you give me 10 to 10, I'll work from 10 to 10. I'm not going to take breaks. No, you'll work like 9 to 11. Right? That's not going to work. So I said, no, I'm just going to move out. And then you got this amazing, amazing, let me reiterate the most amazing storefront, most beautiful store I've ever been in.

I go there just to visit Kyle and like experience the zhuzh of it all. Just like how gorgeous it is. And then I always ended up buying something because I know I'm going to. So this past episode of Vanderpump Rules, you see the Gold Bar Whiskey wall. The entire wall. How long did that take them? Well, it only took them four days. Four days?

Yeah, but my, just keep in mind, I only opened from 11 to five days, which is six hours a day. So they basically built the entire wall in 24 hours. Holy shit. Yeah, it's really quick. They shipped 500 bottles and they've used 473 bottles. 473 bottles. Yeah, to fill the entire wall, all the way up to the VIP area.

It's gorgeous. It's definitely worth your stop for anyone coming to Los Angeles. Oh yeah, oh yeah, that's a great point, babe. For everyone doing their like LA, we-ho sort of like want to do the Vanderpump Valley stop and you want to go to like Sur and you want to go, pumps no longer there as we know, but you want to go to Sur. Vanderpump dog that's across the first.

So you go to Sur, you can go to Tom Tom, hit up Kyle Chan design. Then you can go to Vanderpump dogs if you want, and then you can trench all the way over to like Hollywood, Shorts and Sandys. Then if you want to head over to the valley, you hit up Jax's. Luke, that was such a good point. We just gave them their tour. Perfect. Should we do a tour like that?

We've talked about this. Luke and I have talked about getting one of those buses, those Hollywood Hollywood tour buses and grabbing the cast and being like, let's all jump on and do a tour. That would be so much fun. Wouldn't that be cool? Yeah. And maybe we'll like pick up a couple of people along the way. I mean, I would love to do a Hollywood tour because all the time I've spent

here over the last two years, I have not done very many tourists things. Like I've been staying with you. Well, I mean- You do the reptile tour. That's funny. Yes. We've been to Anaheim. Where all have we been? Pomona.

Pomona and Anaheim. Are those the two? Pomona is a good one. They have alcohol. That's right. Schwartz came with us. Schwartz, yeah. Right after his hair.

Yeah. Oh, it was right after Schwartz got the hair dyed blonde. Yeah. And he looked like the highlighter. We kind of talked about it last week. The first round he did, it looks right after Schwartz got the hair dyed blonde. Yeah. And he looked like the highlighter. We kind of talked about it last week. The first round he did, it looks more like a mango. The second round looks better after his time. It's not their fault.

They didn't have time. He was rushing out. That's true. I did say that. Luke and I talked about that on our last Vanderpump recap. I said, to be fair, they only film a couple of hours. So it takes a lot longer to like process hair. I also think that they were shorts do that on purpose to reminiscent of Katie's era. Thank you for bringing that up. That's amazing.

Yeah. He wanted to, you know, match the energy. Kyle, I literally saw a meme today that said, did Joe do this hair? And it was a picture of Katie and her blonde face. Was that season two? Season two. I think it was two. You watched it.

Yeah, I believe it was season two because that's where we stopped our VPR from the start recaps in season two. And I remember the first episode being like, what happened to Katie's hair? It's so bad. I mean, I really liked it. I like Katie and Tom doing whatever hair they want.

Schwartz goes red sometimes. He does this. He does that. He goes blonde. I'm like, you know what? Do you bro? Yeah. You got to experience.

It doesn't always work, but like give it a whirl, you know, that's something else I've ever done. I've never dyed my hair any color. Gay price coming in two months Can I at least spray paint your hair rainbow? Yes, it's semi-permanent like it's just like a spray we can discuss it Kyle you ask him. Yeah, well do something. No you ask Luke if you can spray paint his hair Well, we'll send the team he'll say yes to you We'll have a discussion about this when the time comes.

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You have a partner you've been with for how many years now? We have been together almost 15 years. Oh my God. That's longer than the marriages that are following apart on the valley combined. Eh. And I just want to throw that in there. Yeah. You did.

That's right. That's great. James is amazing as well. He's not get too much in about him, but James is just always awesome. Every time I've been around, James is like the me in the relationship and Kyle is the you in the relationship. That's what I think. That's entirely fair.

Well, James and I talk about it and we think it is true. Okay. So that's fair. So when you started your business, so when I met you, you were downtown, like I said. Yes. But when you really started, so some things I didn't know about,

you moved here from Hong Kong when you were 13, I didn't know that. Yes. But I did not know about. You moved here from Hong Kong when you were 13, I didn't know that. Yes. But I did not know that you waited tables before. Oh yeah, I was a waiter for like seven years and I've worked at an airlines before. What? And I've done, yeah, I've done a lot of things.

I feel like a piece of shit friend that I've not asked you if you did shitty jobs. No, it's just a long history. People don't realize how old I am. So you don't you have amazing skin I feel like that when I get back from Colorado because it's like the Sun's so intense there and I'm maybe short on lotion But I feel like I look older than Kyle does no. Oh, I totally agree. No, I don't think so So when you first started so you you were a waiter you did all of this shit Yeah, and then what I read today, which I didn't know, is that when you were in

school, you were like, Oh, I have to take this like art class, I have to take some sort of like extracurricular, right? And you're like, I don't want to do that. I don't do that. I'll do jewelry. Fine. Whatever. And then you kind of dug it.

And then when your partner, James, had leukemia. And he was going through chemo. And you were in the hospital with him. But by his side, you were like, fuck it. I'm going to start making bracelets. And you did that for months and months. Yeah, I did that for nine months. It was crazy. And back then, it was Facebook era.

So there's no Instagram. And I needed, I've always believed in marketing. So then I was making bracelet at the hospital. I probably can make like three or four because it takes so much time to make. And I would send it to all of the models and celebrity that I can find on, on Facebook. So you can only imagine what people would like reply. And out of that 300 some bracelet that I shipped out, I've only got three photos in return.

It was brutal. And you are a fucking entrepreneur of all entrepreneurs. Like you Luke and I were talking about this before you came over. You are shark tanks. Dream. You don't need them. No you don't need them. But like you're such a fucking hustler. I did not know that story until I read this article on Glamour.

No big deal, Glamour.com. Glamour freaking magazine, you guys. I don't want to embarrass you, but it's like you're so humble and you're so kind and you're just so wonderful and I love you so much, but I was like floored knowing that like, that's like really where it started from the bottom. Now we here, you know? It's so crazy. It's such a roller coaster.

Why? Yeah. Insane. And then you were doing like wholesale jewelry and then you just went, you know what, screw it, I'm going to, I'm going to do this on my own. Yeah. Were you nervous? Were you stoked?

It was crazy because I did prior to me opening my own company. I did seven years of retail for a jewelry store. And then I work for a wholesale jewelry company for another seven years. So then I have both retail and wholesale, um, knowledge. But the thing is I don't have enough capital to do wholesale trade show. So then what I did, that was Yelp era, when Yelp finally first came up. So then I went on Yelp and find all of the jewelry store

and gift shop that has the same aesthetic as my handmade jewelry. So then I will go there and shop as a customer until they notice me. That's how I get my wholesale account. I'm gonna cry. So the second I get four or five wholesale accounts, I finally have enough money,

and I use that money towards booking wholesale, like wholesale jewelry trade shows. And the booth is expensive. Like to run the trade show, it's gonna cost you like with everything, it's like about $5,000 for a booth. Wow. No, it's really expensive. I know.

I've looked into it for James May and I'm like, it's crazy. It's a lot of money. I wish I had the gusto you have. Now I do actually. What I'm saying is like remembering your story, learning more about it and talking to you. I'm like, what the fuck am I doing? Bitch, get that gusto. That is an entrepreneur at heart.

Oh yeah. If you think about it though, like Kyle sells one black diamond necklace. He may cover. Maybe not. But a couple items, he can cover that cost. You got to sell, what, 1,000 t-shirts to cover that. That's true.

Whatever. But hey, don't give up though. Because when I first started, my handmade jewelry was priced as $20 to $50 only. So can you imagine wholesale, I'm only getting like $16 or $20 some dollars and my profit's like $7 or $8. And I didn't, what I didn't know also, because I knew you were in the Bravo world like before, I knew that like it was something about Housewives of Beverly Hills.

I do remember that. It was Kyle Richards. Kyle Richards at the freaking Rose Bowl flea market, which is if you guys are in LA, best flea market ever, but you have to look up when it is because it's like every certain Sunday. It's not every Sunday. We have to wake up at 4 a.m. and James was still in and out of the hospital and he would help me every time he go off the hospital.

So I bought a truck so then I can set up a bed there in case if he's not comfortable. If it was too hot, we'll turn on the AC and he'll just relax there. But most of the time he worked through it. Oh my God. And Kyle Richards was one of the nicest lady. Not only she's beautiful, her entire family. It's so super nice and very well. They're all kids.

When I met them, they were all like little kids, but they were all so well behaved, so nice. And they're just the nicest people. And I offered to give her jewelry and she said, no, no, no, no, I'm gonna buy it. And I'm gonna promote you on the show. And I'm like, oh, okay. And I didn't think of anything. But then when she started to promote,

we have orders and orders coming in. And I think I sell hundreds and hundreds of those earrings. Yeah. It's insane. And I read a quote from Kyle saying, not only did I love his jewelry, but I loved his energy. And that's what made me like really want to promote it. Like, of course I bought it because I love the jewelry, but it made me want to promote it on my own because I loved his energy.

And I was like, exactly. And Sheena, like even Sheena's, I mean, we, all of us, like we all love your jewelry. You've done Katie's wedding ring. That was like really the first big thing in the Vanderpump cycle, right? You did Jackson Bruney's, you did Sheena's. Like you've worked with Lala. You, me, Katie and Stassi, like we have the witches of WeHo ring yeah we fell in love with it and we all bought different colors of it so we started calling it that. I love it so much because you guys created that name of it and and it was such a special piece I really like that ring. And Lala Lennon. Kristen never takes it off by the way. I know. I'm wearing it right now literally I never take it off ever and ever ever ever. Kristen isn't the like most I don't know what the word is you are flashy gal. No, you're not a flashy gal

But you're kind of hard on jewelry. Oh, that's fair. That's what I was gonna say. It's like sure every time it comes back into Kyle He's like, oh you're missing like he's like we need to clean. We know he's always like we need to clean it girl Yeah, bring it here Drop that an ultrasonic cleaner like you may have to clean that out after running her. La La Land was like the biggest for me as your friend, because then we became really great friends. It was the biggest moment. The biggest moment ever.

Like I freaked the living F out. And to have their costume designer, you know, know about you and just say like, hey, what do you think? Here's a sketch of Emma Stone's dress, it's green. I know, she gave me a little swatch of the fabric and she said, I want matchy-matchy. And I was worried, I was mortified. I'm like, oh my God, I don't want to be that jeweler

who make matchy-matchy stuff. I don't want it to be old school. But I didn't know the movie was about like, old Hollywood glam. You didn't really know much, right? I didn't know, yeah. And then she showed glam. You didn't really know much, right? I didn't know. Yeah, and then she showed me a sketch of the dress and then the fabric. Then she said, I want it to have matchy matchy green pendant and earring.

Then I go, Emma Stone is young and I want it to still be matchy matchy as they wish. So then I make the earring a lot smaller. Then it brings up a little bit younger energy and it worked out. I was so worried. Yeah. And there's a funny story when they, um, when they were filming Mary, the stylist, she texts me and she said, Hey, Emma was dancing and singing and she lost one of the earring and I'm like, right.

You're just pulling my leg. Yeah. I'm like, am're just pulling my leg. Emma Stone doesn't dance, she doesn't sing. So she was like, if I can't have the earring by tomorrow, like the replacement, then we're gonna have to cut the scene. I'm like, okay, let me try. And can you imagine if I did not make that earring?

And I obviously made that earring in time. So we never knew that movie is gonna be that big because they told us it was a small budget film. And they gave me a fake name. It's called panoramic or something. And I'm like, okay, it was all because of Ryan Gosling. They said Ryan Gosling is in it. So I'm like all in whatever you need.

And she's like, but Ryan won't be needing anything. Then I go, all right, Emma would do just fine. Yeah. Like, and little did you know, like, right. Your jewelry literally is the staple. And I too have seen La La Land as you know, like 40 million times. Me too. And I cry every time.

Every single time. I still haven't finished it. Luke. We started, but I fall asleep. I'm sorry. Maybe you need to put on my necklace. That Emma Stone necklace. Oh, so that's why you watch it. We started it but I fall asleep I'm sorry. Maybe you need to put on my necklace. That Emma Stone necklace. That's another aspect not that you need another excuse to go to Kyle's store but Kyle Chan Design is somewhat of a museum also of Hollywood movies shows just there are so many music artists you've

done some stuff for MGK you've done stuff for a number of- Beyonce. Beyonce, so many. Lady Gaga, Ariana Grande, to name a few. As if you all don't already know, but I know that you do. But it's just wild to me. And so I wanted to read one more quote just to like, because you deserve this.

And then I want to talk about other stuff, because I feel like you're blushing right now. Oh, thank you. Yes, I am, like totally raced. I know. But I read this quote that Sheena had said a few years back and she was saying, it wasn't like we're all going to band together and only wear this jeweler. We just all think Kyle Chan is that awesome.

It can be very emotional right now. We really preferred it. And I agree with that because not to sound ego driven or crappy, but like we do get offers or especially when I was on Vanderpump rules more. So we would get offers from people like we wear jewelry. Of course. And like there are things I bought or been offered, but whenever we have gone to any event, we all call Kyle and say, can we borrow something? I get so excited when you guys text me, especially when you text me a dress and I go, oh, I'm like the destiny or the go to, yeah.

We trust you. And I have so much fun matching the jewelry with the outfit. So I love doing it. And something short said as well, just another little quote I wanted to throw in, is it short said, every time we want to make something special for friends or family with minimal information, Kyle has a knack for making it exactly what you want,

even if you can't articulate it. It's a great pleasure to be in his orbit and we all value his friendship greatly. I love the way he used the vocabulary in his orbit. It's like what's so hot about Schwartz. Oh my gosh. But anyway, we just love you and it's wild to me. I just wanted everyone to sort of know where you came from, that you moved to LA when you

were 13, you grew up in Hong Kong. You weren't this immediate coming from money and starting this big jewelry line. My family is poor. That's what I mean. I don't think people really know that about you and that you're a hustler. You're an entrepreneur. And like, there's really, for Luke and I, especially, there's something to be spoken of that.

Thank you. We really value people that are like that. I've told you, I don't know how many times, there's no, I haven't met a, I don't think I've met a better entrepreneur in California, maybe in general than Kyle with just bootstrapping everything. And I mean, just your organization, timeliness, everything is like to a T, you've got it down, man. Oh, even today, like Kyle coming over our apartment and I was like, OK, what time is it?

OK, he's going to be here at this time. And he goes, oh, he's going to be early. Looks like he's going to be. He always is. That's so true. It is. It is. Kyle, I also want to talk about more about now, like your history of how you got here.

So right now with everything you have going on, obviously you're on the show a lot. You're running your- On Vanderpump. On Vanderpump. Running your store, you're open seven days a week. Yes. On top of that, I mean, you've got some employees,

you and James have a good relationship. You've been together for so long. You have to travel. There's all these things going on. You travel a lot for like jewelry situations. You do reptile stuff, bug stuff. It's a lot to balance. We go to Hawaii to promote four times a year and we have a pretty big following there. That's awesome. So I want to know how the hell you do it. Um, I think my, there's two tricks that I follow really, really tightly.

First, I write everything on one wall calendar, like old school. And then whenever I needed to do something, I will set myself a date. I said, okay, April 22nd is the date that I'm going to do this. So I write it on there and I will follow through. And then to balance my life, I have this tricks that, um, that I do each week. I will allow myself to go out one night to have dinner with one friend that who wanted to spend time with me to have dinner, whichever friend reached out to me, I will pencil them down. If I'm full that week, I said, I'll pencil you next week.

And then the other night would be, um, I will go out to an event, like obligated event to support my friends or whatever event for, for PR purposes or whatever purposes. And then the third night, I will allow myself to go out to do whatever I wanna do. So you have a personal night for fun with your friends that's nothing to do with work. Yep, so it's three nights only I'll allow myself to go out.

Obviously, sometimes it will get into four nights, but then at least you can balance a little bit. Of course. Yeah. Or like our ping pong nights, right? Ping pong night, those doesn't really count. Yeah. Or like our ping pong nights, right? Ping pong night. Those doesn't really count. Yeah.

Okay. Cause we play at your apartment. So yeah, the sports that don't count. Yeah. Perfect. That's your workout time. Exactly. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Workout time doesn't count. So then I feel like it works for me because when you set a date to do something, don't give yourself an excuse and go, I'm going to do it next week. No, you do it this week. So then you have next week for something else.

So you can continue packing all of your schedule. And you really, one thing I learned from the La La Land experience, can you imagine if I said no to those earring at that time? Where would I be today? Exactly. Structure and discipline. Yep. Exactly. And that's what my therapist tells me all the time that I need structure

Don't cancel. Yeah, follow follow procrastinate 100% Yeah, so do you ever have I'm guessing you do some tough days where maybe you're not you have a cold and maybe emotionally You're not in it that day and you just feel like you're a zombie going through motions. For that part, I, I feel like I'm very blessed because, because the, the fact that me and James went through chemo for nine months, so we look at life a little bit differently. So if I wake up and I know I'm not in a hospital, that's already a good day. So if you're going to wake up and you have a choice to be happy or feeling shitty, then you might as well be happy when you wake up.

And I have another example. It's like one time I went out with my friends to an event and then my car got towed. And then my friend was freaking out and he said, Oh my God, what are we going to do? I said, we're going to yelp the best Mexican restaurant and we're going to have some chips and salsa and celebrate the towing experience because it's going to be the same outcome. You still going to have to pay that $350 or whatsoever. You might as well celebrate and be happy.

So that it's my type of personality to handle stuff. I love it. Kristin's crying over here. I'm crying. I'm falling. I'm falling. I'm falling like waterworks, you guys, because that's like what I strive for. Yeah. But I like, I get so anxious.

Like my car got towed. I'm like, motherfucker. Give it a try. From now on. I mean, I hope my car never gets towed. Knock on wood. I hope no one's car gets towed, but if you're in a position of something of that nature, where it's a last minute, like, oh, shit moment, go have chips and salsa.

Yeah, go get some chips and salsa. Just the whole step. I know what you mean. So in different words, I do tell you sometimes, but it doesn't hit the same when it's from your partner, that when crisis occurs, all you can do is separate what you can and can't, like what you can control, what you can't control. So focus on what you can control. These are the things that have to happen.

Like what Kyle was saying, what we can control is how this affects me, you know, or how this affects us. And don't get me wrong. At that time, I was poor as fuck. Yeah, $350 is a lot for me, but it's going to be the same. So internally, though, were you kind of freaking out a little bit? Cause that was my first time. But then I also didn't want my friends to feel like he ruined the day

because he told me to park there. Right. Right. So I just go, you know what? I had two cars towed in one night. How? You had two cars? Yeah.

Well, so when I was dating, uh, my, one of my ex-boyfriends, Carter, he was in South Africa for a job and I had driven my car. We only had Gibson at the time, my dog Gibson. And I was out with, I think, Katie, or maybe Katie and Tom Schwartz at the time. So wherever I went, the car got towed and I was like, oh my God, oh my God. And I lived in West Hollywood. So I went, got Carter's car. And then I parked where Katie and Tom used to live on Kings Road, where it was

like, if you don't have the tag that you have this permit, and I was like, it's going to be fine, it's going to be fine. And they towed you not just a ticket. And they towed that too. So I got two cars towed in one night and I was like, oh shit. You know, that's actually impressive. I don't know anyone that's had two vehicles towed in the same night. I will say at that time, I just started laughing because I'm like, I have this like tiny puppy, he's in South Africa, two cars towed.

All I have to do is laugh right now. Like there's nothing else to do. I literally was going to tell her that chips and salsa and margarita won't fix it. You probably need an extra tequila shot. I probably did go to Katie and Tom's apartment. I was like, I need a shot. I need chips and salsa. I'm taking an Uber to the tow place. I'm totally going to be different after this podcast, guys. Do you believe me? No. No. Do you believe that I'll try? Yes. Okay. Thank you. Kyle nodded yes just so everyone knows. I think so.

I have faith. I always have faith in people. You do. Yes. That's the best part about you. You really are like you've so Vanderpump rules. Let's get back to that for a minute, because I'm just going to cut it here and just say, I call you the Tom Whisperer, Tom Sandoval. I feel like not only watching the show, but just in recent past, I feel like you are truly the only person, and I'm including Schwartz in this, but I think Schwartz is a little too lax-a-daisy at times, sweet as can be. He's a fucking angel, right? We all think that. But you are the one person who could actually talk to Tom Sandoval, get through to him. Yeah, because you just listen and then you're honest to

a fault. Yes. And I think that that's so important in friendships. Yeah. And I like that he respects what you say. Yeah, he doesn't fight you on those things. That was quite amazing that he doesn't fight me. He doesn't talk over you. I think from my experience, pretty much everyone that's been on Vanderpump rules loves talking over people at times. Including myself. Yes, not always. Yeah.

But sometimes when you're amped up and you have something you want to say, you're talking no matter who else wants to talk Well, you know, it's hard for him. Not just you in general It's hard for him to talk over me because I let him talk until he's done, right? Then I finally get my chance to talk. Yeah Yeah, but he really does listen though and he doesn't try to combat you Yeah, which I think is really beautiful and also Tom Schwartz same thing. Yeah, Like respects your opinion. I mean, all of your, I will just say as your friend, we all feel the same way, but just for the people listening and the fans of the show,

they're seeing the Tom and the two Toms really doing that. And it's because you do listen. Yeah, I do listen to their problem. But because of Tom Sandoval, I think I maxed out all of my quotas, so I'm no longer accepting new patients. Everybody's like, how did you do it? Let me just, if I have problem, I'm gonna come to you. I said, well, I'm like mentally pretty occupied right now. This whole year, it's been like a little crazy for me. I imagine.

I mean, this is kind of a Kyle Chan season of Vanderpump. I feel like you're very present. I mean, it's not obviously the whole narrative isn't just about you, but you're in it a lot. And I think you're very important part because you're the Tom Whisperer, because you can talk the sense into him and just your loyalty. You got to touch on that because how tricky was it for you to balance the whole thing, the whole scan of all of it all because obviously the popular thing to do was to be like,

fuck Tom. Yeah, it was pretty easy for everyone to go team Ariana. And in honesty, when that happened, I want to be team Ariana. And in honesty, when that happened, I wanna be team Ariana and I do want Ariana to know that I really care about her and I did not approve what he did. But I also have a couple of my dear friends that passed away from suicide.

So I knew, because I kind of like foresee what would happen when, when the scandal broke, I have talked to Santa Valle when I found out that him and Raquel it's together, I immediately told him, you've got to be fucking kidding me. And he's like, no, I'm not. I said, well, I think you need to, I don't know, take a cold shower and take a break for like a month or two and see if you're really in love or if it is just a fuck and lust. Yeah. So he go, all right, I think I'm going to do that.

And not even a month later, then he already come to me and go, oh my God, I'm so fucked, I think I'm in love. And I'm like, you know you're gonna lose everything. You're gonna lose your friends, you're gonna lose your brand deals, you're gonna lose everything. And have you ever considered coming clean to Ariana? And obviously he has his reason,

there's the house, there's a lot of complicated reason. And I'm the type of friends that I like to lay out the pros and cons and then you make the decision. Because if you keep nagging at your friend or you tell them what to do, it will never work. Never. Yeah, it will never work because they need to make their own choice.

It's almost like when they're gambling, you're not gonna be the one who tell them gamble all black or all red. Are you gonna pay them afterward if they're gonna lose the love of their life? I can't fix it for them. And also if they have to make that mistake, they're gonna have to make that mistake

so then they will be, their heart will be fulfilled. That I have given my all for this love or for this relationship. I chose Ariana or I chose Raquel. He needs to be the one who make that decision. Nobody can make that for him. So I can only lay out the pros and cons and go, and go, you're gonna have to make that decision.

And the craziest thing is when it broke, the news broke, it was literally a day before my birthday. And you know, my birthday, like it's a lot going on. So on top of dealing with 5,000 people DMing me and go, happy birthday. And I go, oh yeah, thank you. And then they sent me the news article and want me to read, want me to explain. And I'm like, I just didn't know how to maneuver that situation. And then I got a text the next day.

Ariana is like, it's funny that I don't hear from you. I know where you stand. So then I started to try to call her. I said, hey, let's talk. But she's obviously been really occupied. But my personality is the type that if shit hit the fan and I know you have like 5,000 people coming at you, I'm gonna give you a day or two before I would, you know, come to you or unless if you need me, you call me and I'll be there.

So my stand at that time was I want to be there for both Tom and Ariana because I know when a couple start fighting, well, for this particular case, I don't think there's any turning back moment, but I was still not wanted to be the one who go, I'm going to pick one side or the other. Because I feel like when this something this traumatic happened, everybody's hurting. Rick has hurting a reality is hurting. And obviously, Ariana is the victim and Tom's hurting. There's no winning. There's no winner in this situation. So I'm just gonna let them sort it out. If they need me, I'll be there. So that was my mentality at that

time. Yeah. I mean, honestly, it makes perfect sense like being in the middle like that. It for me, obviously, it was an easy pick because I was close to Tom. Yeah, we dated then I become really good friends with Ariana. And then I find out and Luke and I were there that night when everything happened. But for me, it was an easy choice because I had been wronged by Tom in the past. Oh, definitely. My little antennas go up and go, I got you, girl. You know, but I do understand very much the position you were put in.

Yeah. And I very much back your stance on it. Yeah. And I think it was the most loving, responsible, most adult mature response to it. I actually respect everybody choices because I feel like everybody has different mentality and they're built differently and they have a different personality. So some people will go on Team Ariana, some people will be like, I'm Team Tom, which is almost nobody. But some people are just like, I don't have, I can't choose a team right now.

Yeah, some people don't want to pick. It's exhausting. I felt like at that time there are some people not within the cast, they don't want to choose. But then they go, I don't want to be in the wrong side of the history, they don't want to choose, but then they go, I don't want to be in the wrong side of the history. I don't want the public hate. So they were, they chose to go support Ariana, which is the rightful thing to do to support Ariana because Tom did such a horrible thing and, and.

Right. Yeah. But me standing by him, it was not because I think what he did was right. I just know that he needs somebody. I just know for a fact that I agree with that. And even if Ariana hears this or someone posts this on social media, I agree with you because when I at first, I was very like, I was with Ariana. I went over a house every day.

But when I started getting a little worried about Tom, because things started getting really gnarly on the internet and people became hateful and mean and cruel. I too, like even Ariana texts him at that time. And I, I, I, I messaged her and said, I need to text Tom. I would like to make sure he's okay. And she's like, me, it absolutely. I'm like, I'm doing it. Are you cool with it? She's like, sure. Yes. She's like, I would like to make sure he's okay. And she's like, me, it absolutely. I'm like, I'm doing it.

Are you cool? That she's like, sure. Yes. She's like, I'm doing it too, because no one, no one deserves to feel hated. Yeah. No one. Yeah. I feel like all of you have sacrificed a lot to show your entire life in a

microscope for the entire audience to see as an entertainment. So when shit hit the fan, obviously you're allowed to make comment and freedom of speech, but the amount of hate was just so overbearing and sometimes people don't realize words do hurt. It's almost like people being publicly stoned. It's just a different era. People were using internet on all of these things. But then the craziest thing is if you show your face, I will actually respect it more, but most of those people have no profile. They were just there to hate just troll.

Yeah. And, but then you already get the entertainment part. What worries me is do you find that as another type of pleasure to be a no, like no identity person just to attack people and you find that joyful for you? That it's not what makes me more worried for that person. No, I agree. And I will admit truly like now a year plus later, that I could have chilled a little bit more. I didn't need to be, I wasn't hateful, but it was just for me personally,

it was all of the stuff from my past coming back that it looked like it was like 2.0. But I, looking back, I regret kind of going as hard as I did. I could have just been supportive of her without being hateful. Well, at that time, I think the heat of the moment, everybody wanted to. Right. Right. And that's what the close circle friends, I feel like you got, you all have the

right to say something to him at that time. I'm just saying even me though, I do regret being as hard on him as I was publicly when Luke and I were doing podcasts You know who was actually really hard on him that nobody knew who? shorts, oh Yeah, that's true. Most people think that there's one thing that shorts was like ass licking his butthole Yeah, like being like you did no wrong, but that's not true. There it's so not true. There's one thing that people don't know how strong Tom shorts. Actually is, especially his personality.

People would think that he condone and, or he's the accomplice of the scandal of the, of the affair. But actually during that time, I actually speak up a lot for shorts during the filming that his entire family, the brothers, it's, you know, it's dying. One of them had cancer and the dad's really sick, the mom's really sick. And at that time, I feel like he was in a pretty deep depression, but he's just shorts. He always put up a good face and show everybody that, oh, I'm fine, I'm fine.

So everybody just think that he's fine. But he was in a more depressed zone at that time. And he has no, basically he was not there during the affair, mentally. He was there and he didn't wanna blow Tom's cover, but it doesn't mean that he condoned that behavior. And people took it wrong. When I have many, many talks with Schwartz about Sandoval's affair with Raquel, we both try to talk him into owning it and come clean with the situation.

And Schwartz is actually the one that's more aggressive. When we went out one night, Schwartz was like, I think we need an intervention. And I said, I agree, but let's not do it this week because Tom is not in a good place, maybe next week then shorts is like, all right, so we're just going to sit down and chill the second we sit down. He's like, no, Kyle, I think I'm going to tell him. So he left actually just literally blew it out and that Santa will have it. And Santa will surprisingly right now, I don't think anybody would believe, but.

I think people should believe me because I'm actually one of the most credible. Well, I think everyone, all the listeners and like, all I know is like social media, as far as Instagram and all of that, every time I hear anything that you say, like on a clip, everyone's just like, Kyle Chan tells the truth. Let's be real. And I'm here to say as your friend and Lucas here to say as your friend, you do always tell the truth. The craziest thing is at that time when short, the night confronted him, it was,

I think it was middle of February or end of February. Shorts was the one who actually brought it up. He's like, Hey, this thing, it's getting out of control. You should really tell Ariana and Sanova actually told us that he had a plan. He really wanted to come clean, but he doesn't want to do it at the reunion. I mean, before the reunion, because he knows that Ariana is the type of person that he wanted to at least have her have a choice to not like embarrass her on national TV.

Also, I believe he would partially would want to, you know, protect his own image. That's for sure. Everybody would have that. But at least it's not justifiable what he did to Ariana, but at least he had that plan, but obviously karma by his ass and go. This blew out way before he, you know, his, his plan. We ever around with a Schwartz, Joe Sandoval and Raquel during

their like double date time. It's so crazy. People always think that there was so many double dates and then they saw one picture that me with the four of them. Oh, I text you. I text you. I know. I've only met Joe probably a few times. I text Kyle one time because Joe posted a photo at Kyle's shop. And I'm like, excuse me, what? And he's like, what?

And Kyle's Kyle. And Kyle's like, what? She came, she supported my shop. I don't know anything that's going on with you guys. Sorry, not sorry, not sorry. But you were just like, I didn't know I was doing anything wrong. And I'm like, oh, that's so fucking fair. You really didn't do it to hurt me.

I didn't know what's going on at that time. And because Tom Schwartz and Joe at that time wasn't- They weren't serious. They weren't hooking up as far as we know. They were like- Were they hooking up at that time? I don't think so. Yeah, I remember it was my second year anniversary party

and they told me it was filming. But then the internet was having so much fun finding Easter egg. They go, Oh, they planned this. Can you see this outfit? I'm like, my event has pressed there and they are very aware. So it was not like a secret hiding out because they're going to be, their photo is going to be taken and I'm going to post it. So, but I'm glad that the audience has so much fun thinking that they found Easter egg that they were secretly dating.

It was, they might be here and there. I don't know, but, but it was not what they think. It was not like a whole plan. I was trying to sneak out or whatever. Right. I, cause I invited everybody. That's true. Yeah, for sure.

So did, did Tom get the lightning bolt necklace for Raquel from you? He did, but it was a year, I think it was a year before the scandal. It was even before him and Raquel hooking up that I made it for him for his birthday because he always liked lightning bolt. But then I have to disappoint the viewers again.

They thought it was their secret code and I ate it. So when it blew up, people always think that it was my masterpiece that until the episode show that Raquel actually got it for herself. Yeah. But I don't think that was their secret code. Maybe it was Raquel saw that Santa has one, so then she go, I have one also. Yeah. Cause I know, I know that Tom got his from you.

Yeah. But Raquel clearly as everyone's on Vanderpump rules, got it from somewhere else. So it was like her trying to sort of like match him. Yeah. Did that clear everything up about the lightning bolts? Yeah. Yeah. That really did.

But speaking of Raquel, Rachel now, there's something that I really wanted to say. I feel like I've heard her podcast recently here and there. Same. And there's a couple of things that I don't agree with and I wanted to have a moment to talk about it. I feel like she is obviously saying that she's the victim of all, but I feel like this is how I see it. Rachel and Tom, I feel like they actively cheated on Ariana for seven months. Yes. They were both guilty as fuck. Yes. So it annoys me.

It feels like to me, it was like two people decided to rob a bank and now one of them just go, I wanted to out the other person so I'll get a less sentence. That's not how it works. That's really not how it works. If you decided to go to a rehab to think about what you have done, then I think you might need to go to another one because this one's not working. I don't know. I'm sorry.

I laughed. No, I agree with you. I'm giggling because I'm uncomfortable, but I agree with you. I don't like to bash people. Rachel went rogue and now she's like double downing on any- And suing Ariana, can I tell you this, this is not going to find you peace because here's what I'm going to tell you. My advice to you, because if you decided to sue Ariana, let's just say you win, you get

a couple hundred bucks in your bank. It's not going to last you. You get like $300,000 or whatsoever amount that you're going to get. You are not going to have a good life. The reason why I'm telling you this, because that money is going to be gone so quickly. And then you realize you find yourself in a spot that none of your friends in the future that you meet along the way, it's going to trust you because you're that person who's gonna... The mistress suing the wife, it doesn't make any sense. The karma is gonna bite your ass.

And you're already in so much trouble that you finally... Finally, right now, I feel like a year later, everybody is in a recovering mode. What she's doing now, it's not healing for herself. It's not healing for Ariana. It's not healing for Ariana It's not healing for any audience. It's just not a healing process. So her lawyer Her therapist her parents are not doing good job. I'm sorry. No, I totally agree. This is so Kristen Doty crazy Kristen Kristen, like 2013.

Like in order to heal, I'm going to take them down. Yeah. Guess what? That's not how it works. Guess what didn't work? Me trying to take something down for my own mental health. What worked was me distancing myself and moving on. Yep. Real quick though, but like I did hear as well, I heard some clips.

Yeah. And what those clips included were, Raquel saying she and Ariana were nothing but acquaintances. No, they were friends. Right. Which then flashes back to Vanderpump Rules last season of her going, these are my people. These are the people that stand by me.

They just said that on this past episode. On this past episode, they did the montage. Right. Yeah. They may not be family close, but they were close. But at the time, at the time, they were very, very close. Yeah. And Ariana is not the type of person

that you could be friends so easily. No, trust me, I agree. And I asked someone who has dated Tom Sandoval and been cheated on by Tom Sandoval and left by Tom Sandoval and been cheated on by Tom Sandoval and left by Tom Sandoval for Ariana. I look at Tom Sandoval and say, he left me. She didn't. Ariana did not ruin my relationship. Tom left me. So I think Tom is very much at guilt. but Raquel was Ariana's friend, her very good friend. Yeah. And that is just hurtful.

And that is all every anyone has time to think about it. It was not anybody manipulate which situation they both actively decided on it. Right. And so why not just both of them, they equally say we fucked up. Yep. There is nothing we can do to right this wrong, except for time will heal it. Yeah. All we can do is keep saying, I'm sorry. And not backtrack, which is what they're both Tom and Raquel, in my opinion, are both guilty of right now is sort of like then going, I'm sorry, but at the end of

the day, if they both were to stop right now and just go, you know what? I'm really sorry. I really fucked up and now give it a year to two years. Cause that's what it took for me. Yeah. After I cheated on Tom, Tom cheated on me. I was not welcomed back into the group for a year and a half.

You know, I waited my time a half. You know what? I waited my time for that. You know what one of the craziest thing is? You just mentioned that you cheated on Tom. Part of the reason why Tom Sandoval is one of his best friends, it's when I watch the episode that he found out that you've cheated. Yeah. The entire world's after him. Stassi, everybody was going after him.

He knew, but he stood by your side. He did. He stood by your side. He doesn't care what Jack said. He doesn't care what anybody said. Even on TV, he got your back. So that's when I go. And I will tell you, that very day,

we're going back, yall to like see you on two Vanderpump polls, but that day when I showed up to the finale to admit to Stasi, Luke and I talked about this one time on Vanderpump recap. I don't know if you know this, Kyle. No, I didn't. So the producers came over, our showrunners came over and said, Kristen, you gotta admit it. And I was like, I don't know what you're talking about.

It's not true. Blah, blah, blah. Right as we're getting ready to go to the finale, producers left, I panicked and it was too much for me. And I was like, I have to get this out. So I called my best friend Amy, who's been my best friend since we were like 14 years old, I called her and I told her the truth. And then I handed Tom my phone and I said, Amy's going to tell you.

I know it's real shitty, but I literally couldn't speak the words. And so then Amy told him, he digested it. We were both crying and he said, you're going to put your fucking dress on and you were going to show up at this finale because you're not gonna leave me there to do this by myself. So I did. And that was all my bad, right?

So I do stand by Tom in that way that he went, you know what, like, I'm gonna stand by you but you're not gonna fucking leave me to face this finale alone, essentially. It just really bothered me when it comes to terms with Ariana. It's just like the seven month affair. It wasn't a one-time fuck up. It was very difficult. I don't think Tom Sandoval is Satan. Okay. I think James Kennedy is Satan. I don't think Tom Sandoval is. I think Tom Sandoval has gotten wrapped up in his own Tom world because of reality television

and loving the attention and kind of just has this like these blinders up where he forgot about certain people. I think he values your friendship. He values Schwartz's friendship. But I think he's even done Schwartz a little wrong. He did Ariana wrong. And I think it's this reality world all fucking twisted up. I want him and I want both he and Raquel to just like stop, but let's just talk about Raquel for a minute because Raquel, Rachel, you didn't want to do the show. You quit the show.

You didn't want to do it. You want nothing to do with any of this. You're in love with Tom. Now, now Tom you were never in love with him now You're in you were only in love with James Kennedy during the reunion. I can't believe she said she's I am she was Mind-blown Tom. I that is such BS. I don't believe it. I think she is embarrassed that The way things went. Yep Denied that you were in love with someone. Yep.

Sure. Well, it's also a drug when you're getting away from something, with something. I think you can speak to that. Anyone that's lied and kept a lie going for a while, every time you put another nuance on it and you keep it going, there's a little bit of satisfaction to it, that you did it.

And that's, I think, the drug that they were taking that kept them going on it. Because it's like, oh, you know, we were at Sheena's wedding and duped them all with the Schwartz makeout, and we went and banged back in the room. Like the fact that that happened, you know, the kind of high they probably got from that. That's the sort of thing that perpetuates the sort of affair that was going on. And on top of that, I've gotten a little bit of flack about hanging out with Tom.

And I just want to say I was introduced to Tom as Kristen's friend. I also Also getting his birthday for quote-unquote allowing Luke As if he has like a leash on him by the way Yeah, I'm just gonna say when I was introduced to him It was as a friend of Kristin's and an ex from like nine years before. Yeah, I knew that. I knew that.

And it was like, what at that point, eight, nine years before. So like no big deal. You guys were friends. That's where I met Kyle Chan. Yes. I'm like super grateful for that trip and everything. And Tom has always been the same person to me. And I've told you, I don't know how many times,

how much that gives me like, Relief. me like relief, not just relief, but like the ability to trust somebody is when they're the same person. When someone's flip floppy early on, or there's just weird talking shit about other people. He doesn't bring up other people and talk shit about people. And we're just, when we run into each other at the bar, that's not the way it goes.

It's like, that's not like that. So let me be kind of clear this up if I can. But like you, Luke, you don't have this like super hardcore best friendship with him. You're not trusting with all your secrets, but you have a blast with him. You have fun with him. He's kind to you. He doesn't bring up drama to you. He doesn't talk shit about anything.

So you have a good time with him. And I am fine with, just so everyone knows, Luke knows this, but like I'm fine with Luke hanging out with him. I don't want to join, because I do at this point, I do feel, I do run into Tom Sandoval often. I do feel a little bit weird because I'm not happy still, because I really value my friendship with Ariana. It's not because Ariana has told me, if you talk to Tom, go fuck yourself. That conversation has never been had. It's my own personal choice based on my own personal past.

But as Kyle, as you said, right at the top of this whole podcast, it's up to everyone to make their own decisions. Definitely. If I thought Luke was in some sort of trouble or something, being buddies or acquaintances with Tom Sandoval, I would draw a hard line and have that conversation, but I don't feel that way. I actually think Luke is in more trouble hanging out with the Valley people, to be honest. I was actually going to say that Tom Sandoval is better than

more than one person on the, there's some people in the Valley that I totally agree. I would rather you hang out with Tom Sandoval than most of the cast of the family. You know, something crazy after the scandal broke, I think me and Luke have only had one conversation, probably like two, three minutes about, about where we stand and what our point of view about the whole scandal while we were playing ping pong and then we never spoke of it again.

Never because we don't talk about people. We talk about ideas and businesses and way to make money, ways to make money. Yeah. And where things can go. We just want to have fun. Yeah, exactly. We want to have like uplifting things and ideas and businesses and ways to make money and where things can go. And we just want to have fun. Yeah, exactly. We want to have like uplifting things and ideas and challenge each other, not be like,

can you believe he did this? Can you believe that? Because the scandal already consumed like 70% of our lives. These are the friends that I really like, Chris. It's friends that I can talk like that and not have to talk about people all the time because otherwise I ended up just being like, uh-huh. Yeah, we never talk about All I don't completely agree with that but uh-huh People are talking about other people usually anyway, but nobody I don't know people will believe it

But yeah, but that's the fact it certainly is did you feel? anything with in your business personally, etc anything in your business personally, et cetera, with the scandal breaking and you not denouncing Tom essentially? Well, when that scandal broke, I do have a lot of DM that was not very polite, very nice, nor very nice. And they would question me, they'll bash me,

and all I could do is delete the message and delete everything. But I know that Tom's already not in a good head space. So when he asked me, I actually told him, no, I didn't get any for the longest time. I told him, no, I didn't get a lot of hates, but obviously it's not a good position for me to be in, especially I own a business. of hates, but obviously it's not a good position for me to be in, especially I own a business. And it was, it was very, very challenging for people who would come after me for no reason because they don't know where I stand and I have not made any announcement. I didn't do any interviews. I didn't make any statement at all through the whole process. So it was pretty tough. There are people who used to shop with me and then they stopped shopping, but I try not to bring any of these up because I am very

lucky that I built my company 15 years ago from nothing. So then I have a pretty solid followings and there are people who from nothing. So then I have a pretty solid followings and there are people who besides uh Vanderpump rules we have you know Blink Empire people and we have a lot of different people that will support us and that they um somehow there are some customer has grown pretty close to me so they know how I am as a person. So I just try to not speak of it at all and not make any statement So I just try to not speak of it at all and not make any statement until a year later. I'll just also attest to that, that if anyone actually gets to know you, and if you, you know, people that shop there regularly, anyone that has had dinner with you, has played ping pong with you, knows who you really are,

and who you really are is not someone that's condoning this behavior. But you're someone that is loyal, gonna tell them how it is, but you're not gonna toss them aside. You're gonna toss a friendship aside. I obviously didn't like it at all, but when people ask me, I would ask them, I said, if your brother did something very horrible,

what are you gonna do? Are you gonna throw rocks at him when everybody's punishing him? Especially the entire world's already punishing him. He's already getting more punishment than I've ever seen anybody has to endure. So I just don't want to be one of his friends that will call him out and that will say things that they will regret because I know a lot of his close friends actually went public and talk about him.

And later on they don't feel good because yeah, I just can't do it. I don't want to be one of the people who kick him when he's down. Yeah. I want to attest to that because, um, after season two of Vanderpump Rules, when everything came out that I did wrong, I had no one for a year and a half, they had to bring Rachel O'Brien onto the show to be my friend. I mean, she was my friend. She was my very first friend.

She's one of my best friends. I'm grateful actually that they brought her back because we had had like a year and a half, two years of like not speaking just because of she dating Jacks. We've talked about that before. But like if I didn't have Rachel back, I might not have met Luke.

It's like there's so many crazy- Might not have. I can't think of any other way our universes would have collided to say if Wasn't marrying one of my best friends. No, you're right. But I'm just saying like I was also hated Yeah, so hard and I had no one and they were like shit I mean she knows nice to Kristen but like we kind of don't have anyone to film with Kristen right now Well, you were one of my idol at that time both me and Tom

I mean both me and Tom. I mean, both me and James and Tom, because I don't know how you endure this because for Tom, it's a guy. It's a little bit tougher for a girl to literally have to like go through these public hate. I just don't know how you do it. It's really, really strong. public hate. I just don't know how you do it. It's really, really strong. So during that whole time, when we talk, I still respect you and I was still your friend. And yeah, it was tough. Yeah, but I did not ever I love you so much. No, I love you so much. But I

do understand that. And I am more much more empathetic. I think I was not, I was not being very empathetic or sympathetic to Tom Sandoval at the time of the scandal ball because I was brought back to like my PTSD of like, this is too familiar. Right. And I've now grown this love for Ariana and I was just so frustrated with the whole situation. Oh yeah, definitely. But now like cut to, you know, a year plus later.

Yeah. I'm still, I don't, I don't like this team, whoever, number one, but I love Ariana with all of my being. I think she's happy, healthy. She's fucking killing it. She's doing really, really well. I don't like the way the girls are talking about her in Vanderpump this season.

She and Tom have something that as much as we all see on Vanderpump rules, we will all never know about. Yep. We do not know what it is like behind closed doors. Let's all fucking remember that. I really think that sometimes people neglect it and forget that everybody handled their grief very, very differently. That too. So, Ariana, people only see that Ariana is thriving and doing all of these gigs,

but they have, I think they have forgotten that when she's so busy handling all of these gigs, it might seem like a dream come true to everyone, but she has no time to heal, no time to grieve. And on top of that, she still have to film and she still have to heal. Like they were basically forcing her to heal on a reality TV time timeframe. Yes. I understand where she's coming from. It's, it's almost impossible for her to find time because everybody is different. When my grandma passed, I didn't cry.

I didn't break down until like six months later. I have no idea what's going on. And then six months later, all of a sudden, one day I like let it all out. I'm pretty sure a lot of people can relate to this. No, I totally agree. So I feel like Ariana just does not have the time to, at her time because everybody's just very different. Especially Ariana. No, I agree with that.

Flee and Luke and I have talked about this on Vanderpump recap so much that I get frustrated watching Vanderpump because I'm like, everyone's going, Ariana, can't you just like stop? And also Tom, can't they just stop stop and and also Tom, can't you can't they just stop the banter and the bickering? It's so crazy guys, it had been at this time, four months since they had just dealt with it. That is not enough time to have cameras in your face, friends, producers going, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk. And she was doing all of these things. There's no time. And I mean, honestly, they both were. Yeah.

Like he was doing, not doing Rachel. I was about to say he was doing Rachel. He might have been. Whatever. But it's like he had Raquel for a bit. He then was without Raquel. He also was dealing with his stuff. But she, as you said, like she was so busy. He was falling apart. They never had time to heal. It's just their friends, the cast members need to allow them both.

Yeah. Space and time, I think is the big thing, you know? Right. And by the way, I need to re now. I just remember something Rachel set on her podcast saying that, why am I scruff free from the whole scandal that I knew, but I didn't get in trouble that I don't have any consequences? Here you go, Rachel. I just want you to know that when that shit hit the fan, all of us, every single one of the friendship

that has been tight like family for so many years, we were all suffering and that was the biggest consequences that everybody gets. So for you to say that I did not get any consequences. You have no idea how you and Tom turned my life upside down. And so are so many of us, all of their friends. We were all suffering for both of your selfishness or your decisions. So I hope next time your therapist will tell you and tell her what I said. I think you need a little bit more time to heal for doing your podcast. Going road. You might want to change your name. And yeah, that's what I have to say.

You just got me crying again because it's not fair for her to say that nobody does have consequences. That we all felt it. Yeah, we lost so many people. Shina, Katie, Tom Schwartz, Tom Sannibal, I mean, of course Tom Sannibal, sorry, but like Tom Schwartz, like all of us. Yeah, they broke the family to pieces. Right.

And something that we cannot fix. There's nobody could fix this. Only time could heal and for her to continue doing this journey, whatever she's doing, it's not helping. No, it's getting really gross. Yeah, so if you think that the entire family can never get back together because of what you think, I don't know. No, it's a really fucking good point, dude. And what about, let's just talk about, can we talk about Tom Schwartz for a minute?

Sure. I feel the worst for Tom Schwartz. I will not speak for Tom Sandoval, but for Tom Schwartz, you guys need to cut him a break. I feel so fucking bad for Tom Schwartz. I always have his back on our podcast. Of course, we're recapping I'm like giving opinions on things there are things I'm just gonna say it's about Joe There are things I see on television on this edit on this You know TV show that I feel bad for Jo because I don't think anyone deserves

like a bullying or like a this is what she looks like or this is what she wears kind of a thing the way that's edited. I think Jo is a pretty sweet girl I've only managed to hang out with her you know, maybe four or five times. Right. But she is very nice. I just felt like she's always on the energy level at 10. So when you're one drink or 11. So when you're one drink in, you really can't match it. So people will call her names and saying she's crazy or whatever. It's just the energy level.

Sometimes you need two more shots to catch up or three. No, totally. And as everyone knows, like I'll just reiterate it it, a long story short, girl Jo and I were literally best friends. I don't remember the exact year we met. We met at a gifting suite. She was working for TG, which is a hair company, TIG, Bed Head and all of that. Rachel O'Brien and I went there.

She was overseeing a braid bar. She recognized me. She was like, oh my God, I know Vanderpump rules. At the time I smoked cigarettes, at the time she smoked cigarettes, she was like, let's smoke. We were both very ADHD energy. I have said it a million times on my podcast. I love that energy.

That has never bothered me the way it never bothered Tom Schwartz. It bothers a lot of the girls, the cast, they talk shit about her that energy. That has never bothered me the way it never bothered Tom Schwartz. It bothers a lot of the girls, the cast, they talk shit about her that way. That has never bothered me. We then became literal best friends. I was with her no shit four to five days a week for I can't think of how many years. And then all of a sudden, Tom and Katie divorce. I move into the apartment Luke and I are in now. She ends up staying with Schwartz. I don't know about this. She stops talking to me a year and a half ago. And that's where everything got weird for me personally.

Is that I went, why are you staying with Tom Schwartz when I live down the street? And like, I haven't even talked to you. Why aren't you messaging me back? This is so weird. Then I find out she's filming for Vanderpump rules. So that's my pers like my perspective and like my tunnel vision of like the way that it went and now she's doing Rachel's Raquel's podcast and she's

divulging into all of these behind the scenes sort of things that were going on with her and Tom compared to what we're seeing on TV. And Kyle, you and I and Luke have talked about this and I'm sorry, I'm not here to hate on Jo. I'm not here to, nor is Kyle, not here to talk shit about her, but I am here to defend my friend Tom Schwartz, who I've known since the second he walked

out of his Honda Civic with his Ninja Turtles and his four boxes at 551 Kings Road. When he drove all the way from Florida. From Florida. Yeah. He was wearing Adidas button-down pants and a suede camel-colored button-down, long hair and a beanie. That's the boy that I met. So like I've known him for so long.

And I do think he and Joe had an amazing friendship. I do think they're super quirky and very similar. I see that, I know that. But now that they're not seeing each other and that's been, you know, a little messy, the way she's coming at him and about him not only on the interview moments of Anna pump rules yeah but on Rachel's podcast that really pisses me the fuck off I there's one thing that I don't agree and I don't like and I'm gonna speak up for Tom

because I know with Tom's personality he he would just go, Oh, no, it's all right. Um, she doesn't have a platform now that she has a platform. She went on Rachel and she said it, but there's something that I don't like because I don't like about the lying part. We were at single nights and she said that they were talking about both wearing red bracelet, which means they're not available. Green is available and yellow is whatever. And I think that it's a lie because I asked Schwartz.

I'm like, hey, that is so strange because I didn't even know about the bracelet until I get there. I didn't even know that there was a red, green and yellow wristband until I get there. So have you ever been to one of those parties? I have been, but then usually would be like a heart or no other party, not that particular one. Oh, no, I just never have been to any of those. I asked Luke about it last week. I was like... You wear the college version because you just like if you don't have a green shirt, you go to Goodwill and spend a dollar and get put put on a green shirt.

If you're green, like anyway, but the fact that how would she knows about the wristband that none of us even know? Like not even Tom Sandoval knew about it. Right. So all we knew was Tom Sandoval arranged this and saying, Hey, let's meet at Skybot. That's all we know. So for her to say that him and shorts talk about it. So I asked shorts, I'm like, how did you, Joe said, Oh, we talked about it

before we went in the Uber and short said, I'm gonna wear a red one. Yeah. So I asked shorts and he's like, no, we didn't talk about any of these. I didn't even know that there's wristband going on. Right. So for her to imagine these things in her head and like say out to make Schwartz look bad, saying that he's leading her on, I don't think that's cool because maybe at the beginning, he has lead her on a little bit.

Right. And then they made it really- We all know that. Even Schwartz has admitted like in the beginning- Yeah, because he wasn't sure- For like in the beginning, he wasn't honest. Yeah, because he wasn't sure. For sure. Yeah, and he wasn't ready for a relationship. So he thought, he made it clear that,

I'm not sure where this is going, you know, blah, blah, blah. And you know how he is, he just want to be nice. He just want to please everyone. Yeah, he's not the type that will say, no, I don't want to do this. He'll be like, you know. He doesn't want to hurt this. He'll be like Yeah, but this particular night this thing that girl Joe said in her interview by Tom Schwartz said

We're gonna wear a red bracelet. Oh, that's bullshit. That was not that was not it's not true. Correct It's not true. And the and the craziest thing is Tom already went on a date with what's the girl with the red hair? His girlfriend? Tori. Oh, oh Tori. Tori. Yeah, he already went on. They already talked about it. They already said that they are very clear at that point. I think Jo unfollowed me after she watched the episode because I was like, Jo, stop touching his hair. He's not going to get any girls. Oh my God. It was so uncomfortable. Yeah, she was touching his hair his hair he's not gonna get any girls oh my god it was so uncomfortable yeah she was touching his hair for like 15 minutes or something yeah so then I'm like what was the idea that's what she I'm guessing I don't know for sure but from the girls I've dated if they got their hands on you they're claiming you like this is like yeah you're my person you know like because she did hands. That's what I would do anyway. Exactly.

That's what I'm saying. I'm not saying that's what she did, but that's a hundred percent what I would do. Yeah, not an uncommon way to kind of claim your man. Because I spoke with Tom, I talked to Tom a lot. So I would ask him, hey, what's your status with Joe? And then he'll be like, well, you know, blah, blah, blah. So he will always tell me the truth because he knows shorts know how I talk.

So he would like tell me straight up, you know, this is how I feel. But then the only reason why he pulled back, it was because of all these random lies. She just have a lot of like random lies. He won't say it, but I'm going to have to say it. I know Joe is going to hate me, but but Joe I do not hate you because I honestly think you're a really nice girl people miss you You know people misunderstood you but I'm gonna give you a little advice that you didn't ask Like if you didn't make these random lies, I think you guys might still have something going on Even though he's

not like mentally ready at that time. But then I think the deal breaker was all of these random lies that you made. Yeah, so I just don't understand. We're 100% dating. We're basically together. He said, I love you. Do I think Tom said like, like, oh, we have love for each other. Like, I love you the way the same way I tell Tom Schwartz, I love him. You just told me you love me. I do love you, Kyle. You know, it's like the way I told you I love you the first time. It's not. That's funny. I don't know Kyle knows that. But Luke and I say this, they go, it's not the way you and I say I love you. It's the way you say I love you to someone that you love. But to Joe's defense, when she's enough and you know that she's in love, you can't say that to her.

Correct. That would be a mixed signal. So I think that's where it started to get tricky. But I just don't understand why she needed to make up like random lies. And the other thing that I suspect is on the viewing party that her episode showed up. Oh my God. Last week. Yes. She literally showed up at Schwartz's Sandys when me, Tom and Tom, Victoria, which is Santa's newest girlfriend and Sophia, which is Schwartz's girlfriend was there. And she decided to show up.

I also have stories about this. Continue. So I feel like maybe she's hurting right now and it is her attempt to send my, throw a little. Yeah, sabotage. Yeah, I'm gonna say. Look, misery loves company. Have you heard that, Kyle?

What is it? Misery Loves Company. Of course. When you're miserable, you want to bring people down to your level. Yeah. That is a normal thing, and that's kind of why I generally respond to shitty DMs and shitty comments in social media with, hope your day turns around. That wasn't very nice or something like that.

Or hope you're, you know. So I don't think it's misery loves company. I have a different viewpoint. I think it's much like what we saw on the episode at the mandarin where the singles party of the claiming like your mind. Yeah, that's more of what I think because I had a friend that was going to Schwartz and Sandy's last week for the viewing party and texted me and said, are you going? And I said, no, I'm not going. I don't feel well.

My dog's really sick, but like, I just can't make it. And she is someone who knows who Joe is and said like, oh, I'm pretty sure she's going, but I'm going with, this person's going with a bunch of her own friends, but Joe might be going. And I was like, well, that's kind of weird because I know Schwartz will be there with Sophia. Schwartz told her that. Because she said she's going to come and Schwartz is like, well, um, Sophia is going to be here.

Oh, I did know that. Okay, correct. No, I mean, I did. Sorry. I thought you meant Schwartz told her to come. No, no, no. I think that's Schwartz's way to say don't come. Exactly. And so my friend, I was like, maybe say that I'm coming or like inform her that Sophia will obviously be there with Schwartz because it's girlfriend. Maybe that I'll deter her away

because I don't want to make, I'm just like at home doing what I shouldn't be doing the Kristen thing involving myself and shit That's none of my fucking business, but I can't help it cuz I want to protect Schwartz Yeah, cuz it's so bad for him and I also feel guilty like I brought this girl into the group. Okay. Yeah, I did So I was like I'm not gonna message anyone but I'm gonna ask my friend to like message her and say these things and to message anyone, but I'm going to ask my friend to like message her and say these things." And Girl Jo's response to this was, it's a public bar. I can go wherever the hell I want to. And I was like, that is so, again, so fucking Kristen 2013, trying to stake your claim.

She likes to show up uninvited. Then I also heard that she introduced herself to Sophia as if she didn't know who Sophia was, which is just so weird, childish, not cool. Just if you wanna go to the bar, then you're gonna go anyway and no one's gonna stop you, then just go. But like leave them alone.

I just don't understand. But I can't imagine at my age. I know you guys are going to laugh at me. Fuck you. But like, I can't imagine it. My age to like show up and like do that now I'm just saying, because it is so Kristen 10 plus years ago, right? That is something I would have done.

I had to like, like mark my, you know, like how a dog pees on a tree. I'm going to mark my territory, but like I wouldn't do it now. So it's like, you know, he has a girlfriend, you know, this is his bar and you're still going to show up and try to like pee on your territory. I feel like she's probably devastated right now because short says the new girlfriend. That's what really triggers her. Maybe, but it probably hurts but lying things about it. You're going to regret it later. So just, yeah, just don't do that. It's not cool. Especially shorts is such a nice, gentle person and he's just keep going like, Oh yeah, let's just let her say it.

Just let her say whatever. Kyle, she showed up to Tom's bar on the night that she's lying in the episode. That's the uncanny part for me. I just can't stand when she, when the camera turned on and then she'll be like, Oh, me and shorts in the relationship. And he denies me.

There is no such thing because short show me the tax that he made it really clear with her, he made it a hundred percent clear in writing, in the text and go, it's sort of like we're just friends and I don't want to lead you on. And I just think that I can totally feel it because being loved by Tom Shortz, it's a very, very special thing. It's lovely. So, but then when you lose him, don't ruin it more. It's not good. It's not good. You're allowed to be hurt girl.

Joe, you're allowed to be hurt. We get it. There's things behind closures with you and Tom. You definitely had a relationship of friendship for sure, but like, just don't start talking shit about my friend now. Treasure something that is really special. You don't have to have everything sometimes this moment you should, you know, the special relationship, you should treasure it so you can look back and go,

Oh, I have a really special relationship with this. Yeah. Yeah. I want to end this on a lighter note. So let's like change the course here. Yeah, let's go to San Francisco to your whiskey launch, which I am drinking right now. Yes. The, the gold bar whiskey diamond edition, 18 year.

Yes. Whoo. Kyle Chan special. Let me warn you. It is 95% proof. So it's 46.5%. It's not for people. It's not for lightweight.

Cheers. And I probably had more than I'm definitely not driving tonight. I'll put it that way. Your ass is staying here. I'm straight. Yeah. I'm taking the jeans off as soon as we finish this. I was actually really, really happy and excited that everybody will set the differences on the side and show up at that event.

It was a very, very, very special moment for me because I feel like, um, especially it was when Ariana and Tom, it's not in a good place and everybody's kind of like all over the place, but they still all come together and come celebrate my whiskey launch. And Luke and I came and we would, we would, we couldn't film because it was Vanderpump rules finale, but like we were still there and we were like, I thought I saw you on camera. No, they would have blurred our faces.

If you really will see, we'll see. Yeah. We weren't, we weren't allowed to sign a thing. No, we didn't sign a thing. No, we didn't. It's not like we weren't allowed. Anyway, we won't get into those details, but it was an awesome party. There was certainly some action, some wild shit kind of went down, but you know that. It was so much fun.

That hasn't aired yet, so we'll leave it at that. Have you ever been to San Francisco before? Yeah. You took, I took, um, my little sister, Elise there for her senior spring break. You know, we should totally go back because right now the go bar whiskey, the headquarter opened the bar and restaurant like officially. Stop. Yeah.

And what's funny about the go bar whiskey history is they are on San Francisco, but treasure Island with go bar. Exactly. No, I remember that island and they have like, um, really, really good food and whiskey obviously, and also whiskey soft serve. We need to go back with 24 karat gold. Shut up. It's the best ice cream I've ever had. It's so good. cream I've ever had.

It's so good. I don't think you know this, but we missed the ferry by about 10 seconds. Yeah. To come over there. Yeah. We had been dropped off by our car. We went to the wrong...

Like the wrong entrance to where the ferry is. Wrong pier, wrong whatever. And we ran. Well, Luke ran really hard, ride heels on. I was like, you run, I'm going to run behind you. Did you know that, um, the party information was somehow leaked. And then we stayed at the Argonaut, the Argonaut hotel.

So I remember you saying that. Yeah. Yeah. The fans was waiting there a day before. Yeah. Stayed there too. They also went to go by whiskey like the day before started to wait on it and take pictures and it and take pictures.

Oh my God. You guys fans, we love you. Whoever did that, that's so sweet and cute. And we all love you. Thank you for loving Kyle. Yeah. So how did you love San Francisco? That's the finale of Vanderpump rules you guys.

So we're not going to give away like, well, number one, I don't know any storylines because I wasn't hanging out in that corner and all of the stuff. But I will just say Luke and I had a blast. I hadn't been in a gown in a hot minute and we got to like, you guys look so good. We got to dress up. We got to go to San Francisco. We got to like come to this cool Island and like drink whiskey. Yeah.

Everything was good as gold. Yeah. She didn't perform. She did. Not only did she have her music video at your shop, but she got to perform good as gold. Yeah. And I had my best friend, Michael Ngo made her the outfit. It was so good. Yeah. Michael Ngo is an awesome dude too. Yeah, it's crazy. You've been to his house. Oh, his house is incredible. He just did Beyonce's Super Bowl commercial outfit. It's insane.

Yeah. Oh yeah. So I didn't know the reason that you got connected with Beyonce is because you were friends with her makeup artist. Yeah, I was friends with the makeup artist, but I never, with my personality, I never asked people for anything. No, you never do. He's just have shopped with me for like maybe a few years.

And then one day he out of the blue, he just go, have you ever thought of making things with Beyonce? And I'm like, of course I have, but is it legal? And he's like, well, people get fired for pitching her stuff because everybody like if, can you imagine her entire team of three, 400 people pitching them their friends jewelry or clothes? So there's a no pitching policy. Oh, I bet.

He was like, I love your stuff and I think she will. And I said, okay. He risked his job to picture your stuff and she loved it. And she loved it. Amazing. She sent me a message and she go, please tell your friend Kyle. He's very talented and a very smart jewelry designer. And I'm like, I did a whole collection for her.

The honeycomb. Yeah. The honeycomb thing. But I have to give the credit to my partner, James. He's the one who told me every single thing about Beyonce. He's queen bag. He's a diehard Beyonce fans. He would travel to, to England, to everywhere to see her concert.

And he would buy like, I don't know how he managed to buy the Renaissance club. Yeah. So he was sitting there on a stage with the little stage. There's a bar with 40 some people and he's one of them. He's at Frank Ocean was sitting behind him. James and he has his own security team. Bring him to that circle. James is my hero.

But he only get me front row. I don't have a bar. I'm going to wait. And then Taylor Swift. Yeah. That's what makes gets Kristen more excited than anybody. I know. I mean, everyone, every, everyone you do jewelry for and just your jewelry

in general gets me hard. Sheena was wearing Taylor Swift earring at the season finale performance. Whoa. Yeah. When she performed good at school, you get to see it. Okay. Watch Taylor Swift earring. Are those at your shop right now?

Because I need those. So I need those for the reunion or for something. Yeah, you can. I need to be Taylor Swift. Like she's my end all be all. You can wear them. Okay, I feel complete. That's a much better, this is a better note

to try to wrap this up. No, I feel like a complete human right now. Well good. Kyle, thank you so much. I want to have you on every episode. Thank you for having me. No, same. Like, thank you so much. I want to have you on every episode. Thank you for having me. No, same. You're just the best.

You're the most empathetic, most wonderful, you're a being of light, you're a hard worker, you're a great friend, you're an entrepreneur. You're making me cry again. I've already cried, I don't know how many times. You guys drink every time I cry. Check. But we love you so much. And I'm so honored that you would be on our podcast because I know you turned down a lot of things.

It's my absolute pleasure being here. Thank you so much. But you're the best and you're literally the best friend. And I'm so glad everyone's getting a better understanding of you from listening to this about who you are, where you came from, what your life is like, and also like where you stand on friendships because sometimes it's edited on Vanderpump in a way where people don't get to understand like where you actually stand for it. So, you know. Thank you for giving me this opportunity. Cheers guys, let's do a little cheersies. Cheers. Okay you guys, we love you so much and can't wait to talk to you next week. Thanks for listening, everyone. Peace.

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