Sex, Love, and What Else Matters - Jesse Lally from The Valley

Episode Date: October 24, 2025

Episode 169. This week on the pod, Kristen and Luke sit down with Jesse Lally from The Valley! Jesse opens up about life as a proud girl dad, and what he really thinks of Kristen and Luke as first-time parents. Jesse takes us back to his modeling days in New York—crossing paths with Channing Tatum (and wait… was he roommates with Jax?). Also, did Jesse and Anna Nicole Smith ever date?! Jesse shares his journey as a wine sommelier and reveals the most he’s ever spent on a bottle of wine. BravoCon is coming up and they are all super excited! Tune in for a fun, nostalgic, and unfiltered conversation you won’t want to miss. Sponsors: Caraway: Visit Carawayhome.com/DOUTE for 10% off your next purchase. Nutrafol: Nutrafol is offering our listeners $10 off your first month’s subscription and free shipping when you go to Nutrafol.com and enter the promo code DOUTE. KiwiCo: Get up to 50% off your first crate at kiwico.com, promo code DOUTE. Nature’s Sunshine: Nature’s Sunshine is offering 20% off your first order plus free shipping at naturessunshine.com with code DOUTE at checkout. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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This is pre-recorded. Well, we're live here in a kitchen. We are all alive. We sure are. I love having people who don't do podcasts. We have Lindsay Hubbard and now after I've asked 17 times for Jesse to do our freaking podcast, he finally comes over. Here I am.

Do you know how to say my name correctly? Jesse Lally from the Valley. Is your middle name, Richard? That's my dad's name. My middle name is Ian. Ian. Yeah, which was going to be my first name, possibility, along with Kirk and Dirk. So your initials are your mom's name?

Yeah. Was that on purpose? I don't know if it was on purpose, but yeah, it was on every single one of my L.L.B. Backpacks when I was in high school, Jill, yeah. Jesse Ian Lally. And his mom's name is Jill. And there's a Jill Broderick in the house over there. Wow.

Okay. So Jesse's finally doing our podcast. God bless it. Thank you for having me. I'm excited to be here. I'm surprised you didn't ask me to do it in season one. I don't know why. But here we are.

I can't come up with a reason either. I can't come up with a reason. I'm slamming my fist on the table. I mean, there's a million things I want to talk to you about. And I think the peeps want to know, too. But I'll say the very... At least the lallipops? The lallie peeps.

Yeah. Oh, I just renamed your fan group. Lally peeps? The lallie peeps. Now we have to make little... Can we rip those off, too? I'll make you teased. We're going to make some custom suckers, though.

All right, perfect. But Luke and I talk a ton about being parents on here, whether you listeners, we love you, whether you love it or hate it, because that is the season of my life right now. And it is the only thing that I think about. And you're a girl dad. Yeah. And your girl dad to a five-year-old.

Five and a half. I love to pieces. Thank you. And I have a little drawing that she made me in the kitchen. I have every time she's ever made me a keychain or a bracelet, I've kept them all, they're in my junk drawer, safely where they're at. And Isabella used to not be, like, the biggest fan of me. I think she didn't really know me, and that was why, like, when she was, like, two, I don't

know, like, I didn't come over enough, but she was, like, very, like, one and two years old. She was, like, a little, like, stranger danger. I think it was, you know, I remember it being like, I think I even brought it up a few summers ago where I was like, oh, as well as a perfect judge of character. She's like, Michelle said that. Yeah, yeah. She's like, she's like, yeah, I don't like that. I don't like that girl.

And now all of a sudden, she's like, well, if Kristen is my auntie, does that make Kai my cousin? And I was like, and then she comes up to me at Danny and Nia's house. And she's like, can I call Nia Auntie like I do Kristen? And I'm like, wow, we have, we have evolved over the last couple of years. No kidding. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know if it's like her age or because we hang out a lot more because I was

pregnant and she, like, loved it. Right. But I love it. She was very disappointed, though, when I told her that you guys had had the baby because she did want to see the belly one more time. And it was like, all of a sudden you guys disappeared. And then I got a text from Luke, like, you want to see something cool? And Isabelle's like, no, the belly's gone.

I'm like, yeah, but there's a baby now. I was around her more than any child during my pregnancy. Yeah. We hung out with you the most. Yeah. During my pregnancy. Again, what an evolution in the last couple. Pickings are getting slim.

What? There's slim pickings out here. Yeah, hanging out with Jesse. But when you and Michelle first found out you guys were pregnant, did you, like, the dad that was like, I want a boy, or did you want a girl, or did you care? I wanted a boy just because I went to an all-boys' preemptive. private, like, very, like, prep school, Boston, East Coast, school. It was an all-boys school.

I played hockey my entire life. Like, there was literally only one thing I knew to do with girls, and it was date. It wasn't raised. You know what I mean? And it was like, I always kept saying that and saying that. And then, of all people, it was Ryan who I was texting, when I found out it was a girl, I was texting on the boys chat. And Ryan was like, he said something, I know, he said something.

like, you know, a boy will basically, once they turn 13, it will be all about their friends forever, you know, but a girl will love you forever. And it was like, it clicked in my head. And now I'm like, God, if I had another one, I wish it was a little girl again because I missed like, even, you know, the other night, because we were gone for a week, I just grabbed Isabella out of her bed and threw her in my bed, which she's been asking quite a bit to sleep in my bed with me. And I just grabbed her and she woke up in the morning. She's like, where am I? I'm like, you're in bed with me. She's like, but why? I didn't ask. And I was like, I read something where one day they'll never ask again and it like clicked with me. It's same thing with, um, daddy pick me up

or daddy one more story. And like, I think those type of things are like stressed out. It's eight o'clock, eight 30. She won't go to sleep. And she's like, one more snack, one more story. And I had read something and then conversations with Lacey and I where it was like, you know, that's just a way they feel the most secure around you. And they're asking for one more because they don't want you to leave. You know, and they, I read that. I was like, any story you want, like I lay with her at night.

I lay on the floor until she falls asleep because we are the go-to security blanket for these little girls. And it's like now anything she asks, like, I'm carrying five bags, grocery bags, this and that. She's like, can you pick me up? And I throw the bags down and pick her up and carry her up first. So, yeah, it's, it's a, it's a, it's a. Amazing to have a little girl.

Are you going to cry? No. My nose is running, though. It's really sweet, though. Yeah, and it's even more compelling when they, when she started speaking. And the first I love you is like, it changes your life. I mean, forever, you know what I mean? And it's like, every single morning I walk her down to her school and I'm like, give

daddy a kiss. And every single night when I FaceTime and when she's with her mom, it's like, Daddy, I love you. And like, I got home, uh, just a couple days ago. And, you know, we have this magnetic thing to write on on the fridge. And she wrote, I love you daddy with only one D and like X-O-X-O-X-O. And she was like, you can erase it if you want. I'm like, bullshit. That's staying up there forever. And if anybody bumps into it, they're fucking dead. I know your next tattoo. It'll be better than the ones you have. That's actually a good idea. Why not? We should have a picture. We need to have an at home tattoo party.

Let's have a tattoo party. Because I want to get one of Kaya, just her name, and, like, birthday. Yeah. I did at Janet's party that Brittany threw her with the tattoo guy, did Isabella with a little bunny right under my heart. I think Luke wants it on his heart. Right after you grabbed Christmas nipple. Allegedly, the cameras didn't show it.

I don't remember it. But how far we've gone since those days. We've come so far. One might say, no, I'm not going to go there. You love being a girl dad. I mean, I know, I know as your friend, you love being a girl dad. But I'm always so interested. Like I was with my therapist this morning talking about being postpartum and the stress I've

been under and the anxiety and then just also how it's affected Luke. And my therapist who I've been with for like a decade was like, you know, people don't really ask the dads. It's always like mommy spotlight. How's mommy? How's baby? Especially right after birth, of course. But then going into the like second, third, fourth month of postpartum that people don't ask, like, how's the dad doing?

Yeah. Like how was, if you can remember that far back. I have a wildly, my memory is kind of like my stories, just annoyingly detailed. So, and like I take these like little photographs. I can remember stuff from Everett. I remember specifically it was also a very interesting time for us because it was during lockdown. So we had the baby in April, and then we were in, like, the height of lockdown. So it was constant attention.

I remember she was like, I don't know, six weeks. And I'm holding her little hand. And I'm like, time to walk, time to walk. And then she started walking at eight months. And I'm like, go back in the crib. Oh, my God. She was like eight and a half months. She literally crawled over to the couch, stood up for the first time,

and then turned around and just walked away. And I was like, that's how it happens? And then all of a sudden it was like nine and a half months we took the baby gates down because my old place had a staircase that went upstairs and the couch was right in front of it. She just used to climb on the couch and go under the railing, go up the stairs on her own. So it was like baby gates on both sides of the stairs, but she would just figure out a way up and under. So it was like, it was so wild those first few months because that's what we were doing. The little like time to walk, time to walk. And like we just sit there with her.

The amount of tummy time I had, like every picture from the first couple of. of months was me shirtless with the baby laying on my chest. And we didn't have any TV. We played Clair de Loon pretty much exclusively in the house. You didn't watch TV during lockdown? I did not with the baby around because we had a real like screen time thing. So if I did, if I was watching golf or something, she would be on my chest facing me. I just didn't want her facing the TV. But yeah, it was a lot of like attention to the baby, attention to the baby. And I think that's why you know coming out of lockdown we would go to the park when she's you know now she's almost a year right and she was the opposite of the rest of the kids in the park she wanted to go up to everyone

that's when she started doing the hugging and like all of that very early on um and i think it was just she got so much attention and we weren't like we weren't so strict about like oh don't touch her like you know we were very much the opposite where we were like we want to build up her immune system and like you know. So I remember those, those months. It was the, the after she started the solid foods and stuff like that and her not being able to communicate and the, you know, the stress where you can't have that open communication, you're just trying to figure out what she needs. That was the hardest part, I think, for me. Yeah. So how are we doing as parents? How are you guys doing? Yeah. I think you guys were amazing. I knew you were going to be amazing parents. I think it's, I think I said this last week.

it must be so difficult for you to have your first kid and not like people keep saying your age, your age, your age. No, but for real. Yeah, but it's a thing. Having your first kid after watching all your friends do it first and knowing that you wanted that so badly to then have it, it must be like you're walking around with gloves on because you don't, you know what I mean? You don't want to make any mistakes.

Yes. And it's, I can see how difficult that can be. And I can see when you do have these moments where you're kind of losing. your shit a little bit. It's very understandable because like not only are you a first time parent and you're both first time parents, but it's like the stress and the sleep and then our schedules have been so crazy. It's like then add on top of that, that other layer of like it's so precious to you guys because you didn't know if this was going to happen. And now that it's happened, that's like another layer of stress. Yeah. When you and I talked about that, I was like, no,

because truly when all my girlfriends had babies was like right around the time you and Michelle did, Brittany, Stossie, Sheena, Lala, like during, I think we were a year ahead of all of them. You're one year ahead, but it was all during that time. They got pregnant right after Isabella popped up. Yeah. Right. And it was like all during that time frame, I was so not in the place or space already.

But it, you know, just a few years later, I was. Right. And it didn't happen like the way that I thought it would as fast. And obviously our listeners and the viewers of the show know, like, we got pregnant, we miscarried. And then obviously we have Kaya now, which is amazing. But, yeah, it is like the word kid gloves is like a real thing. Yeah. Because when I was pregnant, I'm like, I want her to like make all the mistakes and have all the adventures and do all the things.

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Somelier? S-O-M-M-M-E-E-A, too. I mean, you also say Lolly instead of Lally, so... Somelier, so the E is... I mean, I hope I'm saying it the right way. I got my certificate and my little pin for my jacket. And is that in Justin Wines or is it in... everything i think when when you study the exam it's across all the spirits are a little less you know

than the wine and and and everything but like wait you you used to have to study spirits as well spirits just everyone knows what a spirit is it's liquor liquor yeah uh we're not talking about like ghosts yeah and you study you study spirits like um armioniac arm marmanac i don't i'm definitely not saying right. But like things that normally you wouldn't, it's not like you're studying, you know, whiskey and vodka. No, like a digestive and an appetit and like things like that. Everything. And you're also studying service. Oh. Depending on there's the quartermaster's son liaise. And then there's WITSEP, which is more the business side of wine and liquor. Okay. And it depending on which one, like Witset, you don't do any really the service stuff. You do a lot more of the business stuff.

whereas the quartermaster's sommelier is it's to actually make a somelier for a restaurant. Have you ever waited a table in your life? No, I did bartend at my friend's club when I was like 20 for a couple minutes. And I also went in because I thrive in the gay clubs. I love dancing and I love the music, obviously. I went in when I first moved to L.A. and I was at the Abbey with one of my good friends dancing it up and they offered me a job at Here Lounge.

I remember now the chapel at the Abbey. So I was a bar back at Here Lounge. Here was a lesbian bar. Was it? I mean, that's what we knew it as. I used to walk down there after Sir, like 2007 on. That's when I was there, yeah. We would go to here and I would get hit on and I felt so good about myself.

Yep. And we would go to the Abbey. Oh, my God. So I've never, I have never waited a table with regards to food, no. But that's so wild because you, just to talk, going back to being a wine. Somelier. Somelier. Why is that such a hard word for me to accept?

Just looked it up. And Google says it's Samolier. Samolier. Just samolier. You guys, the language are we speaking? Samuilier. I'm going to say a wine pro. Here.

Look. I just think it's super fascinating. that that's a real thing because as long as I've known you as I think a lot of people Summelier. Go ahead, Luke. Samillet.

Somelier. Now I'm just... Samillier. Somelier. Well, I will tell you, after studying Spanish for nine years, I have tried a hundred different times to speak French

because it's like one of my life goals, French piano. And every single time I study French, I'm rolling my R's like they're Spanish. And French is like not a wildly difficult language to learn. I think it's the hardest language ever. Oh, my God. I think it's so difficult to pronounce correctly.

Pronounce correctly. But I studied with this one program that the guy basically started off saying that there are hundreds and hundreds of words that we say in English that come from French. So if you actually start to learn certain words in French, you're like, oh my God, that's just that word in English with a different accent. So many similarities. My last name is French. Is it? Yeah. Dootie? It's dut. It's dut. Doot in French. It means to doubt something. Yeah. But we, for whatever reason, came over to America and changed it to Doty. And that's why no one can pronounce it because it's actually a French word. I think I say Kristen Doughty. You do.

You do. Most people do. Yeah, that's true. I swear one time, though, you told me you were a assamelier of something else so random. Or are you just joking? Yeah, it might have been, it might have been still a siphon. Yes. Yeah, yeah, that is not true. I'm just, I'm just an explorer of that natural herb.

Just an explorer of natural psychedelics. I said you, and I'm like, I believed you. And I'm like, you're so full of shit. And you were like, okay, fine. Yeah. And then I asked Michelle about you being a wine pro. And Michelle was like, oh, yeah, he has the little pin and all the stuff. So then I'm like, you must be that of my mind.

Mushrooms, too, I guess. You know, I got the weepen. Is that what you got the beanie for? No, I was a huge beanie wearer my entire adult life. Modeling days. Yeah, yeah, always in the modeling days, the long hair and you had it back like to here. Back to it like half your forehead. That's how I met Tom Sandoval and Tom Schwartz.

Tom Schwartz was wearing a beanie with one of his ears sticking out and his long hair. I used to sometimes do the beanie like so it covered like half the face. It was like on the side. That was another. So edgy. Yeah. Back in the early 2000s. Yeah.

Wait, let's talk about your modeling days. Okay. Anna Nicole. Anna Nicole was my big breakout. I had done a bunch of other stuff. I was just a lot. Trim spot. Yeah, I was a lot smaller than most of my friends.

My close friend that got me to New York to model, he was like 6'4. You know, Channing was, Channing Tatum was part of the group, like all with the same agency. I know what you're going to ask. So, like, it was like all these guys that were like six three, six four, but I was also, I mean, I lost 50, 60 pounds when I started modeling. I was down to 152 pounds and I'm like 180 right now. So I was just like shredded long hair. How old? 21, 22.

God. Yeah. Yeah. So I did, I did a lot of like. Do you imagine Jesse Lally is a 21 year old. Ooh, girl. Wild. Wild child.

But I was also. But, you know, it was funny because I had, you know, went to college, I studied advanced mathematics and astronomy in, yeah, well, freshman year I went to school in Vermont, but I had had jobs working in finance after I left college. Modeling was just like a fun thing to do, but it was like you could do anything, you could go anywhere in the city and tables and like promoters and you're 22. So it's like you could stay out until 4 o'clock in the morning and still be at the gym. at 6.30, no problem. Totally. And it was like, it was just a wild world. We were living in New York. We were living in Chelsea. Really back before, like, Meat Packing District was literally for meat. And that was, in like, underground crazy clubs. And there was nothing else there. And I lived between 7th and 8th Avenue right there. Basically where the Gansabort is, very close to. Essentially, yeah,

two blocks, two blocks away. And, yeah, the Ganswort wasn't there. That was really the first thing after Soho House to go in there, the Gansvore kind of changed that entire neighborhood. And it's like, it was wild times. I mean, we used to like, I remember we used to try to get like, I mean, we didn't eat much anyway. It was like all, you know, all we did was like drink water, drink alcohol and like, diet, work out, smoke cigarettes. And we used to like get chained from wherever we could find it to go to the dollar store and get whatever we could at the dollar store. And then on 14th and 8th, there was a little like muffin donut shop. And every once in a while, if we got enough money together, we get two brand muffins.

And that was like our meal for the day. And it was like, but it was like that life, you know what I mean? It sounds like when I first started working at Sir, yeah. $5. When you were modeling? I mean, I was. I think everybody was. I know.

Oh, yeah. I'm the only one here that hasn't done modeled. It was a five, yeah, we had a $5. We would split a $5 foot long, like saucy Katie and I, or like they would because it was me, but like we would split a $5 foot long or we'd pay $5 for our employee meal. And that was the only thing we ate all day long. You're aging yourself with $5 foot long. Well, here we are.

You know what? It's fine. Okay. Okay, but I want to go back to Channing Dayton really fast. Specifically because you know that Andy just interviewed him? Yeah, I saw that. Yeah. Did you see that, Luke?

No, I did not. Andy had asked Channing because apparently Jacks had said that they were roommates in New York. Channing said he didn't know who Jacks was. Yeah. But I will say. He did say, the model houses, you don't really, like, know who people are. Yeah. And he mentioned, like, his manager or agent or someone.

Probably his modeling agent. So he said this guy, he's like, if he was with this person, then maybe. But I would, listen, I know that Jack's modeled. I know you guys modeled together. I'm not here to talk shit about Jack's Taylor because I don't want to waste our time on that. But Jack's talking it up to being someone's roommate. Yeah. I'm debunking that right now.

I will tell you that. They were all with an agency called Major Models, and the model house for Major was in Long Island City before Long Island City was ever developed. I was there a ton, and Jacks was never with Major. Jacks and I met because when I first moved to the city, I was supposed to sign with a couple different, including Major, and then there was a little bit of a fallout, so I went looking for a new agent, and I just happened upon this agency, smaller agency that somebody referred me to, and I was like, you know, we had just got this amazing apartment on 16th, and it was expensive

for us at the time. It was a one-bedroom. We wanted a third person to live in the living room on the couch. Yeah. And he was like, I have a model that needs a place to live. So, Jacks, met Jacks, and he moved into our apartment and slept in the living room. I've had that experience, too. Yeah.

He too slept in my living room one time. I think he slept in every living room. Wait, is that when he was my age? Yes, it was, actually. Those were good times. That's my origin story with Jacks. My buddy and I, he actually grew up in my hometown. He went to New York.

He went to college for finance, went to look for a job, got discovered, ended up with New York models and then major. And he was like, you know, come down. And we had matching, because I was working in finance at the time, we bought matching pottery barn beds, pushed them together in this one bedroom. Those are expensive. Oh, I know.

It was like, we had this, like, velvet duvet cover and silk pillows. And, like, he had, like, a brown velvet. Of course you did. I literally walked in my first paycheck when I was working in finance, walked into Pottery Barn, and I bought the entire display. Like, even they had, like, a green, that teddy bear that matched. And I was like, no, I want the teddy bear. They're like, it's not for sale.

I'm like, I want everything. I want the pillowcases, the shams. It was, like, green with velvet. it with flowers on it and like it sounds like your wardrobe to be honest honestly i think i might bust it out because i still have it in a container in the garage it sounds like your suits and your loafers yeah actually maybe i should make a uh dinner jacket out of the out of the duvet cover that'd be cool you should be a throwback do you still have your book your portfolio i do yeah because i have looked through it like two of your places that you've lived to go, like when you and Michelle lived together before that house that you

live in now. Yeah. I remember being over there and like going through your book. Yeah. The last agency I was with was Ford in New York before I moved to L.A. Yeah, I still have my book with like. Have you ever showed it to Zabala? Not yet. I think. Is there too many like, there's not really sexy pictures. I guess they're sure. No, but she wouldn't, she wouldn't get it. And you don't want her to like look down upon you. She'll look at me and be like, you didn't have gray hair like that. back then. And I'm like, yeah, I don't. It's your mother's fault.

How many times have you put flowers on Anna Nicole's grave in the Bahamas? I've never been to the Bahamas. Oh, okay. Never been to the Bahamas. Interesting enough, though, this was before she passed. When we did that shoot in Miami, it was like for all the billboards and stuff like that. And then I got booked to do all of the like bottle, like label stuff. Yeah.

And we'd finish the week in Miami together, and she was begging me to go on the boat to the Bahamas with them. And I was like, no, I got booked in Orlando to do all the packaging stuff. And she was so angry with me. I had bought her flowers the morning I was leaving, and she threw them off the balcony at the hotel. That's a story. That is a story, yeah. So she was not happy with me. You dated her, right?

We would, like, I would come out. I'd see her if I was in L.A. more so in New York, like if she was in New York working, I'd always stop by the hotel and see her. And it's a good, good time. And interestingly enough, I don't know if I've ever told this story, her daughter's husband, or her daughter's father, sorry, was at Jackson Briggins' wedding. Yeah. And Michelle and I are at the bar, wedding day, ordering a drink, and I heard my name, and I'm like, nobody knew who I was. Like, I barely even knew, like, you guys at the wedding, right?

And I turned around and it was Larry Burkhead and he's like, I have thousands of photos of you in my garage and like pack like trim spa packaging and like all this. I'm like, can I get any of those? Because I only saw what came out. It was only the stuff we shot on the beach. And then somehow a couple weeks ago, there's some in and a cold like tribute page on Instagram and somebody sent me there's like a behind the scenes shoot on I guess on YouTube or something of the entire photo shoot. So I got to see all the clips of like all five or six days, which I've never seen before. That's wild. And Larry, I asked Larry a hundred times if I could get all that stuff.

I'm sure Brittany, I think Brittany has his contact and focus. I have his number. Oh, you do. Yeah. I think they met him. If I'm not mistaken, I think they met him at the Kentucky Derby. Yeah. Yeah.

Also something I've never done on my bucket lists. Yeah, ours too. Derby? Yeah. Oh, we have to. Oh, I have the clothes for the Derby for sure. Yeah, you do. Also, Brittany has a place.

not too far. Yeah. By not too far, I mean, in the same state. Yeah. That is very true. How far is it from Nashville? When I was at the wedding, Michelle and I drove to Nashville for the night to meet up with a buddy of mine that I went to high school with that lived out there. I think it was maybe two hours.

From Brittany's family's place. From where the wedding was to Nashville. It wasn't, I don't think it was that long. I don't know. I was thinking the Kentucky Derby. You know, once we live out there, that's when we should go to... Isn't that in Louisville? Kentucky Derby.

I don't know. Google knows. I do know that we... I took a pretty much most of the guys from the wedding. We went whiskey tasting at Woodford Reserve when we were... We had some time off one of the days, and I had rented a truck, so we all went. It was a huge group of us. I think Michelle came too, and we went whiskey tasting there, and we drove through.

that whole like horse country where I don't think that's where the derby is but it is in Louisville I'm wrong south side it's in the city for sure it's where Zach's from yeah good lord has Zach been I don't think so he doesn't seem like a derby type no but I think he would like to I think we need to make a trip out of it three hours flat from Nashville I think we need to make a trip yeah I thought it was like two but I don't remember two to Louisville but you probably were the wedding was oh yeah maybe I also want to talk about Boston because I've never been. Okay.

And that's where you're from. And you don't sound like a guy from Boston. Every once in a while, if I have 40, 50 beers, I can fucking turn it on because it was wicked fucking, it was wicked heavy back then. You do say wicked sometimes, but you sound like you're from Canada. The only thing. So when I lived in New York and I started studying acting in theater, I had a vocal coach for two years. But the private school that I went to in Boston, the high school I went to, most of the kids there, because there's only some of the outlier cities, they don't have the R thing. It's more of like a, and it's hard to explain.

But East Boston and North Boston. No, but like I grew up in a city 10 miles north of downtown Boston, but like there are some more affluent. I don't want to say my city isn't affluent, but like there are little pockets of different towns and cities around where you don't have the R thing. Yeah. So when I went to high school, I pretty much dropped the R thing. But my pitch was very high, and I had this vocal coach in New York. And basically what they do is they take everybody with whatever accents they have, and they drill it down to, like, neutral.

And then you learn Royal British, and then you build back up to, like, a more neutral tone. But every once in a while, especially if I'm drinking out and about, is when you... You sound Canadian. Canadian, yeah. And those are the two words that every once in a while, if I start talking really fast, I don't say out. I say out and about. Nope. Yeah.

Yeah. So those are the only two words that still catch me every once in a while. Wait, so wicked tunas from in Boston that show? No, it's close. It's in Gloucester. Gloucester. Oh, that's why Jesse's dad bought Kyah the onesie. Yes.

Yeah. And she was too big for it immediately, basically. So both my mom's older brothers, both had lived in Gloucester and Rockport, which are two towns. next to each other. One of my uncles still lives in Gloucester. And yet we spent all of our summers down there. They have this one beach that they go to, this kind of private.

And like private isn't, you need a parking pass that you have to get with the city. But like all the other public parking beaches are the busier beaches. So I spent my entire childhood going to Gloucester and going down to the docks and buying lobsters right there. You never fished? You're not a fishing dude?

No, not a fishing dude. No, you don't seem like one. No. He's a wine guy. Yeah. What is the most you've ever spent on a bottle of wine? Oh, you want to clear it up? Let's clear it up.

All right. So there are no $20,000 bottles of wine, okay, unless you're buying wine at an auction and it's like one of, you know what I mean? It's like a DRC from 1949 or something like that. The most expensive, actually the most extensive bottles of wine are DRC, domain Romani Conti. It's Pinot Noir out of Burgundy. New release is like 10 to 12,000. I've only had, I've only had two bottles. I had Eschise and another one. And they were like at an event with somebody. The most I've ever spent on a bottle of wine is $2,400 on a 1990 Lafitte

Rothschild. I have been around like my friend Oliver had I've been around a couple of times when he's bought a bottle of Petrus, which is a right bank Bordeaux, that could be four or five thousand for the bottle. But yeah, those are like... Is it worth it? It's, I wouldn't spend $4,000 and drink a bottle of Petrus that's like five years old. I love old wine when it turns from fruit to earth. So like a couple times, and one of the, one of my favorite experience is we left a wine lunch on a Friday and we went upstairs to the cigar lounge and we'd have been drinking. these crazy wines at lunch and we go upstairs. And the first time I had ever had a 90 Lafitte, it was three of us at lunch and literally cracked the bottle, poured it. And for like 25 minutes,

no one said a word because that's how good it was. So then I told that story up on the deck of the cigar lounge and somebody was like, oh my God, if I could ever try a 90 Lafitte. So I called up the wine merchant, had them deliver a bottle. And everyone that was on the deck got to try it in a shot glass so they could say that they tried it. And as the tables were leaving, every single person dropped me off like a really nice cigar as a thank you. And it's like, that's why I always drink wine. It's like those memories, they'll always remember that moment. And I'll always tell that story. You know, but for the most part, it was like, we would have these crazy wine lunches and they could go on for a while. But it was, you know, we were drinking, you know, we'd start with like

some really nice champains that were a few hundred dollars. And everybody brought their own bottles, you know what I mean? So it was like, these like $20,000 lunches wasn't always paid for by me or somebody else. It was like, it might be $20,000 because so-and-so brought a $1,200 bottle wine, so-and-so, you know, somebody ran off to the wine shop. Did anyone ever show up with a bottle of two-buck, Chuck? No, but I remember, I remember when that first came out, I was still living at home in Boston. And there was a, there was a news story about how, in a blind test, like, you couldn't tell the difference between that and something. out. So for years, my wine journey started dating an older woman, is it all, not older. She was

like 22 and I was, I don't know, maybe 23 and I was 19. We drank White Zinfandel. An older woman. An older woman. She was older than me. I had to use a fake ID to go out with her. We started with White Zinfandel, which then went to White Merlo, and then it went to Two Buck, Chuck. And then when I moved to New York, I started working for a real estate. state agent and he had an amazing collection. I used to just take bottles out of his out of his wine closet and just try them. And I tried some of the craziest bottles of wine that like if he ever knew I was pulling them, he probably would have been pissed. I remember having a 1990 piece Sean with red velvet cake on like my 23rd birthday. And I'll never forget that bottle of wine because it was

literally the bottle that started my getting the books and studying and reading about wine. And all that stuff, so. It is a memory thing. I agree with you on wine. I mean, I've never been at your level, but I've had some, like, pretty amazing moments with some really, yeah, some really good wine that have, like, started memories. People, like, when people say, what's your, what's your favorite wine, it's, it's, it's an endless story, right?

Because it's like, all right. It's like, what's your favorite song to me? Yeah. Yeah. Like, in the moment, like, if I'm on a sailboat in the Hamptons in the middle of the summer, like, there's a wine for that, you know? I mean. It's like, so boozy. Well, it's because I did that in my early 20s. It's like I worked in this, I worked for a real estate agent in the city and then I would go set up his house on a

Thursday night for the weekend. I'd always go out with like a girlfriend or something like that. And then she would leave Friday morning. And I was his assistant. So I would set up the house, drink some wines and like be around all of this stuff. So, but yeah, like, or, you know, if we're in Colorado in the middle of the winter and we're all inside with the fireplace going, Aspen, I have. Has to be an Aspen. I didn't want to say Aspen. He said Colorado, like, so casually.

We're on the ranch in Colorado. Tele-Ride. Telleride's pretty high. Yeah. He meant Aspen, though. Yeah, I met Aspen. Can't breathe up there, though. No, you can't breathe up there.

You should quit smoking. No, I, like, I can't sleep at night. It takes a couple days to adjust. Yeah. Not good with the Elton. If you're soft. I'd much prefer the beach in St. Barts than St. Bartz, is that an artist? Yeah, it is. It is an artist.

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I never, I never play basketball. I don't know why he looks like the guy you play basketball with him. No, no, no. He was introduced to Michelle and I, another couple that were really close with that you guys have met. They were working with him, you know, with their marriage and stuff. So he was referred to us and after Michelle said she wanted to stop working, which ironically, I had spoken to him and he said that Aaron and Michelle were working with him. Stop. Yeah. So. Is he a therapist?

He's more of like a life coach in the sense that. I don't really know the different. I don't really know what a life coach. coach is. Like I did this thing called Landmark Forum, which was kind of a cult. And they had life coaches, but it was like more of a pyramid scheme. And then I have a therapist. So I'm like, I don't really know like, do you have to get. Well, you know what a lawyer is, right? I do. Yeah. And you know what a mediator is, right? I do. All right. So the difference is, the difference is like, I mean, I'm not saying in all cases, but a mediator like may or may not have a lot of degree.

Let's just say, you know what I mean? They're just a middle person between. between two different parties. And that's kind of what Scott was between Michelle and I. It was like on a Monday, he would have a 30-minute call with Michelle, on Wednesday a 30-minute call with me, and then on Friday, a 30-minute call with the both of us. So he would see both sides, and then he would mediate us on a Friday going through everything.

And then when Michelle, when we were still married, decided she didn't want to work with him anymore, I continued doing the work because he was the one that said basically, I don't do this with everybody, but I want you to try this, this plant-based medicine journey with me. And he went with me with 26 other strangers. And your beanie. And my beanie was after the fact. I didn't, I didn't wear my beanie.

I think I wore a Jack Studio City, rest in peace sweatshirt as I sweat and then froze and then sweat and froze throughout the entire journey. And I was like, on and off, on and off. But yeah, I continued to work with him after that. And, you know, just checking in, like, after we separated and then, you know, and then after I started dating Lacey, you know, I would work with him specifically just on direct questions, not like, you know, 30 minute sessions. Yeah. And then you have Lacey who's basically a therapist in herself. Lacey is the same type of thing with, like working with Scott, he just sees through the bullshit, you know, these long-winded stories that I tell. He's like, I can see exactly where you're going with this and you're full of shit. And Lacey has a similar thing where she's like, she's like, stop and take a breath and think about what you just said and then report back to me on how you said it poorly.

She's my favorite. Lacey is my favorite meme person, like my favorite person to send memes to back and forth. Like, sorry, Zach, but Lacey and I are Instagram connected now and the shit that we send each other just brightens my day. Yeah. Oh, I get nonstop, nonstop memes from Lacey all day long. She's the best. Sounds familiar. Yeah. That's what we do is our love language.

I can't put my energy into digesting 40 reels from you a day. Why, they're really fun if I make you watch them with me. The most important ones just ask me to watch. Do you watch everything Lacey sends you? Yeah. See, what a good man. I did two years ago, too. Lacey and I have been together almost as long as you guys have been together.

Not true. A year different. Yeah, a year different. We're coming up on two years in February. Okay. Well, you win. I also watch everything because the majority of the memes she sends me are about Virgo's, which she is the epitome of a Virgo,

which I didn't even know what that meant until I met her. And she sends me stuff about parenting, like a seven meme dump at a, time about parenting. Same. I send a loop. Yeah. And then you send me these things with like 900 word essays and I'm just like, I got to read this and figure out what she's trying to tell me is this is like trying

to decipher Kristen languages translating. So mine basically say take pictures of moms with their babies. I get a lot of, um, a lot of how to control your power stuff too because that's a big thing for her like, you know, those who speak too much like give away their power type type of type of situation. Obviously, I haven't learned those lessons yet. The parenting stuff works, though. I have a question. Do you, because I had said it in the past and you were like, I don't believe, do you remember the first time we met, you and I? No. I went, old friend of mine, we were out at some event and Jacks was bartending and Sir, he had just started. And it was

before the show, I went with my friend Nick to meet up with Jacks, have some drinks at serve right as you guys were closing, and I sat at the long table table table, where you guys all counted your tips and stuff like that. And that's when I met all the girls for the first time. And that was what? That's 2011 or 2012. Yeah. No, it was way earlier than that because No, he started there. He started working like 2011. It was definitely before I started in real estate, 2012 so the year before yeah who's excited for bravo con woo jesse it's your first bravo con it's my first bravo con i have a little bit more excitement than that pathetic woo from from luke no i'm excited i okay i experienced it with christin for one day very for a day but i was just tagging along and i'm

like cheering from the sideline yeah take that picture smile bigger you know being the cheerleader on the side but not really i was pregnant then you were um no it was it's an interesting It is, I was overwhelmed for you when we were there. And now I get to be in your shoes. Yeah, I'm excited because I have been to Vegas now twice since the premiere of the Valley. And the first time, Lace and I went with some friends to Rufus to Seoul. Just his favorite artist in the face of the planet. That's all I basically listen to.

And we walked out of excess at like 4 a.m. after the show. And it was wild. Like people screaming for the... And then I went back for Backstreet Boys. Same thing walking around the hotel. To Backstreet Boys? Yeah. The Sphere.

What? How did I not know this? Do you not follow me on TikTok? Oh, my God. I posted a tic-a-tik, whatever the kids call it. I'm trying to get my TikTok following, even though I've posted like nothing. I have a major life regret that I did not go to Backstreet Boys at the Sphere.

We had an amazing night. It was a lot of Shroomies, which was at the Sphere was wild. But, yeah, we had a big suite with, like, a ton of people. It was so much fun. But what I was saying was I got back from that Rufus show. And I was like, like, everywhere we went, the casino is just crazy. People that watched these shows. And I didn't get why.

And it's like the crowd in Vegas is like a melting pot of the country. You know what I mean? And like, somebody told me that. I was like, yeah, that makes sense. And I can't imagine if it's all hyper-focused on Bravo, how wild and crazy it's going to be. I know. Think about this. It's like the biggest fans. People are like dying to meet not so just us, but Bravo Labs, whoever their favorite show is. Yeah. And they spend thousands of dollars to be there and have these opportunities to take pictures, meet us,

ask questions, get things signed. Like, they're there to have the whole Bravo experience. So they're the biggest fans. I'm excited for you to go to BravoCon. Like, I'm excited for both of you. I have been just a few times. I remember my first BravoCon. They used to be in New York. York. And they moved it to Vegas because it's just too damn big. Yeah. And there's too many amazing fans. And our first one, though, we had a thing they did. They called a Vander Crawl. I'll have to find the video of it. But it was literally people lined up blocks and blocks and blocks of New York City, like waiting to come in and like do this Vander crawl, bar crawl with us. And I've never, I felt like a Kardashian. Like, I've never seen anything like it. And then you go to

BravoCon and it's like, wow, what we do, like these people care about. And you get to meet so many people. And my favorite part is just meeting the people who are like, like something you've experienced in your real life. Maybe it's your separation with Michelle or maybe it's being a girl dad or maybe it's being a wine pro or maybe whatever it is. You're going to meet. You're going to meet so many people who are like, because you talked about that, like I went through this thing too. Or like, I feel you on that or like I'm from Boston and I move to LA and it's like you just meet people that are so like minded and you're like what I do entertaining people like matters and it's it's really cool it's super fun it's interesting you say that because I will tell you talking to a bunch of like

clients and people that I know in the entertainment industry about you know podcast potential or YouTube channel potential and you would think like what would I talk about travel wine you know, fashion. And I started telling my story to one guy and he was like, you should talk about mental health, but not in a sense of like giving advice, but in the sense that like what you said about, you know, running into people that are going through, you know, season one sort of working on our marriage, season two separation, the amount of DMs that I got. And I get a ton and I try to answer almost all of them unless they're like something stupid,

you know, somebody like hitting on me or something like that. I don't answer those. But like when people are like, I'm struggling with my wife right now or like, you know, my husband left and left the kids with me and like how did you, how did you navigate that? It's interesting to have those conversations with people. And it'll be interesting to see if it's like all crazy in Vegas for BravoCon or if you are going to meet those people that are like, hey something you did or said change this it'll be both it'll it'll really be both like it'll be crazy and fun and wild but those are the moments that like make me super appreciative of of going to

things like robocon or going to watch what happens live you know and things like that it's pretty cool yeah watch what happens live i've done it now three times super fun experience for me and like meeting the fans of the show afterwards or even getting off that elevator and walking to the green room where you pass all the fans yeah i remember the first time lacy was with me brought my brother uh down from boston my one of my best friends from boston i had a whole crew and getting off that elevator for the first time is like it's pretty it's pretty wild you're like wow what a spotlight on my head right now and i can't imagine bravo con i'm super excited too because i have become you know fairly close with with kyle and karl from summer house never met

any of the girls, tried to get out there this summer to, um, you know, go to one of their parties. Didn't happen. But I've just recently started Southern Charms, season one, like episode five. And the McB Dynasty. I watch McB. Dynasty at your, at your call. I also, my publicist represents Galena. And when I met her the first time, it was at an event in Newport. Shut up. You met Galena. Lacey, Isabella and I went to a jewelry event and we hung out with You guys, my arms are in the freaking air. My mouth is white open. Wait, have you never told me that you met Gulina before?

Jesse told me. I thought it was in our group text. And you never told me either. Wait, tell me everything. I think I told you. I think this is mom brain. Yeah, I'm fairly certain this has been talked about multiple times. Did Lacey speak Russian to her?

I don't know, but Lacey is the same publicist as well. So we go to this jewelry event and she started talking to me about reality TV. And I was like, why am I having? I thought she was a jewelry designer because I thought we were at her event. Yeah. And I was like, oh, like, how did this all come about? And then two and two, you know, it all added up. And I was, and then I think it was after that that we went to the baby moon.

And you started talking about McBee Dynasty. And then I looked it up and I was like, oh, I met her. That's right. Yeah. Yeah. So. I'm so excited because the boys from McBee Dynasty announced that they are definitely going to be at BravoCon. Yeah.

I know at least Jesse, Stephen, and Cole will be there. I'm going to go party with Cole. What? I'm going to go party with Cole. Yeah. I could see that. He really wants to party with the guys. Yeah.

He wants to have like a proper like Vegas. Specifically, Cole seems like he turns it on. Yeah. You, Cole and Danny, seem like you should go out. Yeah. Let's do it. And you're all dads. Perfect.

Yeah. Listen, you're all dads of. How many times we'll be like, to be in dad's shots. Yeah. That's going to be really fun. And speaking of McBees. Oh, yeah. The Steve's senior just got a sentence.

I saw that. I saw that 24 months or something. Yeah. And like $4 million fine. Yeah. And then 24 months like supervised leave or something like that. I'm shocked that he got prison sentencing from being honest. I didn't think it was going to happen just based on this is like nothing to do with my knowledge of anything.

You guys know, like, we've had Stephen on the podcast before, never met him in person. This is not like any prior knowledge, anything, but just watching the show. And as a fan of the show and knowing what seems to be like Steve Senior's sort of power that he has and like he knows a lot of people, I guess I just. I don't know how much their farm, you know, is worth over 100 million. Could he, you know, buy down his time? You know what I'm saying? Yeah. That's kind of what my thought was that he may just be house arrest for years or something, you know, I don't know.

I mean, I think episode one, season one, like the intro was like, we're building almost a billion dollar company. And then I was watching it, not knowing anything about it. And then I think when the last season, season two ended, I think I just Googled McB Dynasty. And all of a sudden it was like, Steve Sr. arrested for fraud. And I was like, holy shit. It's like, wonder why they got greenlit season three. There's a lot of story there. I love the show.

I think that show can run forever, being the family glue, you know what I mean? Right. It's just a group of friends. You have families, you move away, things happen, whatever. But they always have to come back together. If they want to keep doing that show, I feel like that show could go on forever. I think it's fascinating. I love the dynamic.

I love how different it is for a Bravo show. So much natural drama. It's like more male heavy. I think it's really fascinating. So I'm excited to meet them in person. at BravoCon and like spend time with them and spend time with Lindsay Hubbard and spend time with my southern charm friends and it's just like the best time yeah Luke we have one one last question for Jesse do we do we do oh yeah all right quick game okay fuck Mary kill are you ready

I'm sure this is going to go over amazingly well in my relationship let's do it Danny Zach and Schwartz oh we're going the boys huh yeah you're so excited thank God All right, good. Danny Schwartz and Zach. Um, I think I got to go with, uh, fuck Zach, Mary Schwartz and kill Danny because he's too perfect.

Great answer. Great answer. Yeah. And you know what? My relationship with all. all three of those people has, along with you guys, has changed so much over the course of the last few years. It's exciting to, like, spend time with you guys on such a personal, deeper level and FaceTime with Zach and, you know, see him in the shower awkwardly, like, in Benji's

nipples every single night. You know what I mean? And then, and then, you know, I also want to kill Danny because he moved to Santa Clarita. And now it's my tomorrow. I think I'm going going up there and he only ever wants to do anything on the most high traffic times of the day. 100%. So that's a kill Danny for. You know what? I'm down to kill Danny sometimes too because I agree for whatever reason. I feel like Luke and I tend to go on the weekends is when we go up there, especially on a

Friday. And I'm like, bro, we're going to have Danny on next just to rebuttal all of this. Okay. Okay. Jesse, we love you. You've grown so much. That's why we're so close. Thank you so much.

Thank you for having me on. You're not even really a douchebag anymore at all. I'm not. Don't take that away from me. No, last year I said you were like a lovable douchebag, but I don't think you're really a douchebag anymore. Really? It's still in there. Don't make me change my mind.

That's where I'm at right now. Well, thank you. That's like saying there's no crazy left in you. That's impossible. Well, there's the same thing with Jesse. There's still a douchebag in there. Cheers to that. Thank you.

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