Sex, Love, and What Else Matters - “The Traitors”, “Big Brother”, & more with Dan Gheesling

Episode Date: February 11, 2024

Episode 90. This week, Kristen and Luke are joined by Dan Gheesling! Dan and Kristen are actually childhood friends and grew up in the same town! They talk about “The Traitors”, “Big Brother”, and how he met his wife! Dan shares how he got on Big Brother as well as the best and worst parts of doing these types of shows. Tune in to find out what happened when he met up with Kristen during the early seasons of VPR and why a taser was involved… Sponsors: Unlock Jennifer Anniston-approved hair at lolavie.com. Get an exclusive 15% off your entire order when you use code DOUTE at checkout. Head to Viiahemp.com and use the code DOUTE to receive 15% off +one free sample of their sleepy Dreams gummies. Follow us: @kristendoute @luke__broderick Email us: [e-mail] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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to speak to an advisor free of charge or go to connexontario.ca. Please play responsible. Hey guys, welcome back to another episode of sex love and what else matters? Luca's back from Spain. I'm back. Finally. What a trip, 11 and a half hour flight. That's lovely. First time I've done that. Yeah, he's a newbie at traveling.

But let's get to the real meat. The meat and potatoes, as the kids say. You're so excited, babe. I'm so excited because the internet is going crazy. We're going to make viral reality TV crossover history right now. So today we have a very, very old friend of mine on the podcast, but you guys know him as one of the goats, a big brother. And he just got knocked off traders.

Dan Giesling, welcome to the pod. What's going on? We've come a long way since riding our bikes in the streets of Dearborn. I'm going to tell you that right now. Fucking wild. Long, long time ago. People are losing their shit. You did a podcast not that long ago and you told a really funny story that we'll get into.

But when you kind of broke the ice and you were like, yeah, I grew up with Kristen. We're both from Dearborn. And all of a sudden, like my DMs, my texts, right now, my text messages are still going off. Like, you know him for real? No, he's a figment of my imagination. There's got to be something in the water in Dearborn. If you two come out of there. I mean, but it's like, it's not like we're from the same town like we like in middle school

You dated my best friend and like I mean it was like riding bikes like getting in all kinds of trouble It wasn't like we're like acquaintances, right? No, we were like homeies and what's also so wild is my best friend Back in Dearborn is your cousin My best friend back in Dearborn is your cousin. Who? Look at her face right now, Rochelle. I didn't know you guys were tight. Oh my God, yes. So we've been friends.

So you guys, I'll give you a little Dearborn backstory. My best friend, Rochelle, we've been friends since high school and I used to use her ID to go to Canada because she's a little bit older than me. Well, let me give context. In Michigan, you have to be 21 to drink, but Windsor was a 30 minute drive and you had to be 18, right? 18 or 19, I can't remember.

19. 19. So you could go there, have a good time, and either stay there or come home as long as you had a driver. Yes. And not getting trouble at the border. Not that I ever did that.

Not that, well, Kristen did that. I never did that. I absolutely did that. I didn't have to bring a birth certificate at the border. Not that I ever did that. Well, Kristen did that. I never did that. I absolutely did that. I didn't have to bring a birth certificate at the time. I was 16 and 17, and I would use Dan's cousin, Rachelle's ID. And every time I would get to customs and they would say, where are you going? And I said the Tunnel Barbecue, which I've never been to a day in my life. I either went to play bingo or go get hammered at a club. And that was that. So. Do you remember what clubs like peppers?

I'm trying to like remember peppers was one reactor. Anyways, oh, we're going we're unearthing a lot of like deep memories. But no, I figure like one, since I like semi crossed over into the Bravo world, like it's like, well, you know, because we've like semi-crossed over into the Bravo world, like it's like, well, you know, cause we've been sitting on this secret for a while. For a long time. Oh, my gosh. So many things I want to talk to you about. OK, so let's just start first with traders, because you were just on it.

Everybody is like super familiar. Everyone knows you, but traders, you said that you just came out of retirement because I know you did two seasons of Big Brother. You won your first one like everyone knows. You were the first person to be in Final Two like everyone knows. What I didn't realize about your second season is that when your second season started, because you never did all stars, but this was kind of an all stars at first, right?

So the way I understand it and tell me if I'm fair to say this or not, you were kind of like a fantasy football manager. Like when you first were on it. Very, very much so. Right? Okay. Now I get it. Give me more context in that. The concept was like they brought in four

like really well-known players and we got to pick a team of, I think, three people each. And so the goal was, you had your team, and if someone on your team won, then you won too. Halfway through the game, they're like, okay, you're not a coach anymore, you get to play. So instead of being a manager, now it's like I strapped the helmet back on, and things got a little bloody in there. Do you think you should have won that season? Um, it's tough. I think I did everything I could.

And I got, I mean, same thing happened in traders. I got cocky. It just is what it is. I thought if you let me get to the end again, and you have to convince the people that you backstab to vote for you to win the money. Like if I just got there, to me, I'm like, everyone's giving me their vote. How could you let me get there and then not reward me?

And I found out really quickly that no one wanted to reward me for that. My opinion on why you didn't win is because you won your season of Big Brother. And I think everyone went, bitch, you already won the money. We're not gonna let you win a second time. And I say this because I did this show called The Goat,

which is still not freaking out yet. Sorry, guys, but I did this competition show called The Goat, which is still not freaking out yet. Sorry guys, but I did this competition show, The Goat, last year. And by the way, I called you like 40 million times to like help me. Yeah. Maybe I made it all the way. We don't know.

Which side note? You also called me before Vanderpump rules started. Yes, I did. Because I already did. And do you remember what I told you? Do you remember what I told you? No, remind me. I go, it doesn't matter what you do,

have something to promote. And this was like, really, I mean, I saw like the first episode of this season and I saw like a flashback. Those were like babies when this, when Vanderpump rules came out the first time. Like have something to promote. Yeah. Because, you know.

Yeah, cause, so you, well, okay, really quick. So with the goat thing, just to go back to your second season of Big Brother. And what is the goat? Can you say what it is or you can talk about it? Yeah, it's, you guys, you, well, okay, really quick. So with the goat thing, just to go back to your second season, a big brother. What is the goat? Can you say what it is? Or are you just, it's called, it's a competition show, the greatest of all time, reality, personality, reality star, if you will. And it's people from the cast has already been announced and it's people from big brother,

survivor. There's a lot of competition show people. Dave on. Yeah, but okay. And then who from survivor? Wendell, he won his season. So what it reminded me of your second season went, in my opinion, you were not, you did not win because you already won. So when we all got to know each other on the goat and we found out Wendell had won his season immediately, red flags were like, he already won a bunch of money. He doesn't get to win a bunch of money again.

Like that was just my first thought as a cast member. Without spoiling anything. Did you like, did you keep that perspective as you played or did it like, okay? No, because it's tough. It's like when you play these games, you're like, you hope it's based on what you do in the game, not something that you did in your prior season. But yeah. And even just watching traders and watching Big Brother.

I mean, Big Brother is the epitome. It's the founding father of competition shows, right? And watching those shows and remembering my time on the go, I'm like, man, these people are fucking good. You guys are good. I'm like, just everyone be happy and like me and look at breakfast and rainbows and butterflies and sunshine. But okay, so let's go to TraderSchem for a sec because this is all interroping.

Was it weird for you to be on this competition show coming out of retirement, as you said, but with people who were not competition show people? You're on with like Mary de Medicine, the bachelor, like what? Yeah, very much so because you gotta remember remember like I'm out of the eye. Like I, you know, I love the games. I don't necessarily like I would play Traders if it wasn't on TV. I just like playing the game. So to be there, like with this incredible cast, there's moments where I looked around, I'm like, these people are like actually famous. Like there's the heavyweight former world heavyweight champion of the world is here. Like that's like Mike Tyson in the 90s is here

and I'm like, what is going on? And then also there's the element of, so like I watch Vanderpump rules and then my wife watched a lot of housewives. Like so like she'll turn it on and it'll be in the background. So like I am familiar with some of, like I knew who Tamer was and it's like weird seeing those people in Person and you're like competing against them and trying to like well is real housewives real or is it are they playing it up?

And so like part of what I was doing is like I don't like I'm trying to figure out if it's like them or the TV show and I don't know if I have an answer to that question Yeah, I don't think I even would to be honest honest. So, Luke, what are your thoughts on traders? Because you really enjoyed it. Oh, yeah, I just binged it just to catch up. It's awesome. I'm a big fan. I watched all of, what was the one Jacks was on?

I watched all of House of Villains, right? I was thinking it was going to be something similar, but I really liked the concept of traders. It was a really cool show. And what I love the most about you, Dan, is how excited you were to get tapped in the first episode. You were like, hell yeah, I came to play, let's do this. Yeah, I didn't want to come out and play again

and just sit on my hands. I wanted to come play, but side note, Kristin, I tried to find like cast information before I went on and it was rumored that Jax was supposed to go on Do you know about any of that or no? I don't know about him going on traders because I knew he did he was doing House of Villains Maybe that was a possibility before House of Villains. Bananas is the only one that did both bananas was on House of Villains. Yeah, and Jax wasn't good on House of Villains. He's a bigger villain on our show. He's better villain in real life.

He can't be a villain against other villains. Like, suddenly he's like cowering in the corner and like wetting his diaper, you know what I mean? He can only go up against weak people on normal reality shows. Sorry, Jax, I said it here first. Yeah. I was hoping he'd be in, because like, I find him to be an entertaining reality TV character. Oh, I would totally die if you two were...

You'd eat him alive. Well, he's from Michigan too, right? He is. He's from Shelby Township. I thought he's from the West Side, no? He's from the East Side. Okay. Yeah.

He's older than us, though. He's an old man. Just kidding, J. Just love you. Random question. This is like my own personal question because as I was watching traders, I'm like, you have the best freaking poker face ever. Do you play well, you're a gamer. Do you play poker? Do you gamble ever? I use like I played poker in college, but I don't really like gamble too much, but like casino, but I don't really gamble too much. But like I love. Casino, but like friends, friends over play poker. I feel like you.

Yeah, like I love anything where it's like to me, anything that's a tournament or you sit down with people to put like I'm all in. Like I love doing stuff like that. But I don't think I mean like I so underestimated the Bravo people on the show because I'm like, like they don't, they don't move chess pieces around, but I'm like, I learned the hard way. Yes, they do.

Like they position to get like people knocked off their own show and like set up fights. And they were so well equipped with the hand to hand combat of the traders. And I just like totally look past them. And I, you know, it's a huge mistake. That's so it. You know what's funny is Kristen always corrects you know, it's a huge mistake. That's so interesting. You know what's funny is Kristin always corrects me.

I call Bachelor a game show. Like they're competing to win, right? Ultimately the prize is the woman or the man. Yeah, that is a Bachelor, Bachelor. And Kristin's like, no, it's all about love. I'm like, this is a competition show whether you like it or not. Like the way that people are trying

to get more time with them, they're fighting for something always, you know, so. Well, they're fighting to get sponsored content on social media and never to work in real life. Obviously part of it as well. Yeah. No one's looking for love. It never used to be like I had. We had this conversation yesterday because I thought you were in New York, but yeah, like we were talking about people wanting to go on reality TV now.

It's such a different landscape. Back in the day, there wasn't social media. It's like, oh, if you get off the show, you know, you're going to get 18 brand deals. And now I feel like that's the motivation, at least on the competition side. So you see less and less fierce competitors or fierce fights on, not on your shows,

but on like a competition show, because they don't want to be labeled as like a brand risk or they want to come off as super well liked instead of make good television and really be who they are. I totally agree with you. So speaking of that, it's so weird. So I moved to LA in 2007. There was no social media.

We had like MySpace. Then Facebook, I think a few years later. Which I think we were friends on MySpace. I wasn't in your top eight, but I'm pretty sure we were. I mean, I know we were definitely MySpace friends. We were definitely my space friends. We were definitely my space friends. But you, okay. So I didn't do Vanderpump until 2011.

We shot the pilot. I still didn't know a damn thing about reality TV. There was like Jersey Shore and like the Hills, which I hadn't watched. Well, so survivor and big brother were out. Well, right. So it wasn't like the doc series type. That was competition. Yeah.

So big brother though, you did 2008. Is that right? Yeah. How did you even know it was a thing? I mean, I know you knew it was a show, but how did you get on it? You're living in Michigan. If I lived in Michigan, I wouldn't be like, ooh, a competition show. I'm going to sign right up.

It's like, how did that happen? Yeah, as a kid, I loved Survivor. Really loved it. But I'm like, we're from Dearborn. We're not roughing it. We're not staying in the woods, but I love the social aspect of it. So right after Survivor, big brother would come on.

And I'm like, this is the same game as Survivor, but it's in a house with no wilderness elements. So I applied for four years. And like, there was a couple of times I got to finals and it just didn't work out. It took me four years to get on. And then once I got on, it was just like, let's go try and win this thing. That's wild.

I want to do Survivor badly. I've been a fan forever. There were some years where I kind of fell off. I didn't watch hardly any TV there for four or five years, but the social aspect of it, the Survivor aspect of it, I grew up a little more rural than Dearborn. So I mean, I'm excited about that aspect if I ever get the up a little more rural than Dearborn. So I mean, like I am excited about that aspect if I ever get the opportunity, but. Luke wants to compete. He's competitive. I need to compete.

Well, it's like, you would love it because there's very few situations where all adults are bought into like, I don't know, it's not a childish game, but you're bought into a game, you know? It's like you can have werewolf night or whatever at your house and it's like, it's casual, can have werewolf night or whatever at your house and it's like, it's casual, but like werewolf, 1000% all in people are playing for a million dollars is

very different than like a home game night. And it's just, it's just so much fun. No, that's such a good point. It is like really fun to be an adult and still have like competitive, fun game things that we can do. So God bless competition shows, you know what I mean? Like whatever. But you know, you're just coming off one. Did you have to vote people out in your show? Yeah, so it's very, when it airs ever, like soon supposedly this spring,

it's very like big brother and survivor. It's like a backyard survivor almost. But it is like big brother and at least from what I, the few seasons I've seen and as well as traders of like, what is it called when you make an alliance? Like, yeah. I know. Isn't she so cute? Isn't she so cute? I don't know. I'm like living in a house with all these people in Georgia. And I'm like meeting all of them. I had a couple of Bravo friends,

which was wonderful. I knew who almost everyone was in the house, but I didn't automatically align with your Bravo people or was it not like that? I can't tell you. Oh, sorry. Just text me here. I will. I'll tell you on the side, exactly how that was. But it was very interesting because I'm like, I just want to make friends with everybody. Like I don't have to be the Kristen Doty from Vanderpump rules. Like the crazy Kristen, I just get to be me and have so much fun and be gullible and believe what everyone is telling me.

Cause that would have been a great strategy to start with, you know, if you had like gotten everyone fooled, like, you're no threat and then you turned it out at the end, right? Dan? And when that'd been a great strategy for, yeah. Well, that's what I was going to, cause you and I haven't really talked like, you know, we'll text a little bit, but when you were on at the end, right Dan? And wouldn't that have been a great strategy for? Maybe I did. Yeah, well that's, I was gonna, cause you and I haven't really talked like, you know, we'll tax a little bit,

but when you were on Vanderpump, is are you like Kristen on a level 20, or was that just you like LA Kristen, which I had, I got a crash course in when we met in LA. Oh my God, I wanna talk about that next. So Vanderpump was weird because I was 27, no, I was 28. When we started, I feel like I was 22. I mean, I had the maturity level of a 22 year old, honestly.

But it started off very raw and real, like kind of cameras were flies on a wall. And then over time, 10 years later, it's like, it's an editing thing. This is the way I explain it to people. It's like, everyone's a 3D, like three-dimensional human being, right? And when you're on a show like a docu-series,

very different than a competition show, they're only gonna show the most, I don't know, like, loud parts of you or whatever is the most. So if I'm the one who, my thing on Banner Pump was just like, I protect everybody. I'm going to find out the truth. I'm going to protect everyone. I'm going to get in the middle of everyone's BS, everyone's marriages, relationships, friendships, because I know better. I'm the peacemaker. I'm the fixer. It gets me into trouble. Blah, blah, blah. Can I ask you that? Like, because, and just very frankly, did you do that? Because I know

that's part of your personality, but also did you do that because it like elongates your life on the show versus like not getting involved in storylines? No, you just did it because that's- Yeah, and then- That is who she is. I can say, speak first hand. That is who Kristen is, she gets involved.

Years of therapy, like a decade of therapy, my therapist is my best friend and I'm like, okay, so I want to get involved, but maybe it's just not my place. Maybe this husband and wife can work things out on their own and they don't need Kristin's POV. That's very self-aware of you to, you know.

But like I'd imagine there's people on the show that do do that or storyline they have to, right? For sure. Okay. 100%. Especially now. I mean, when I watch Vanir Pump now, I just, I think as a producer, and it's even though I'm friends with some of the people, I'm still like, oh God.

We gotta be careful how far we get it done. I don't care. I'm on, that's why people send me our podcast because I'm honest. I wanna know, like I wanna know cause I've watched, you know, I watch you on the show and I'm like, is this like real Chris? And you just don't know.

You don't know or unless you live it. And I mean, if everything's just very like dumbed down and like sort of cut short. So if it on a docu series like that, if you have a conversation in private, you're going to have to have that conversation in public, like on the show. And everyone will see the Valley, the new show we're on is like coming out in the spring and as well. And this show will be a little bit different in breaking the fourth wall.

And I will be calling a lot of people out on their fake BS. And is that show, who's on that show primarily? Me, Jackson, Brittany. Okay, like the adult spin-off. Me, Jackson, Brittany and Luke and then some new faces you guys don't know yet. How come it's not titled like Vanderpump Valley or something like that?

Because it's not. Oh, it's not. Something like... And I'm so happy. No Lisa Vanderpump. Because more like only three people have anything to do with Lisa on the cast. Okay. I have had anything to do with it.

So I don't know. We're gonna have no ties to Sir. No ties to Lisa Vanderpump whatsoever. I don't know how she would play any kind of role in my life at this point or the majority of Right, let's be honest completely separate. Yeah Considered a spin-off because we were on a show before not just that because the friend groups are truly intermixed They're like I see the toms at times. You know, there's definitely this crossover. I like Brock and Sheena Brock's one of my favorite guys I love there's a lot of of real life crossover between the two.

So this made the most sense. Yeah. Made the most sense. Kristen, you so talk to Lisa. So I'm like, I'm asking you. Oh, God. Not since four years probably. Kristen did introduce me to her, which I thought was odd.

I mean, I'm a, I was raised while. So if I see her in one of her establishments, I always say hello hello because it's a polite thing to do whether or not she responds to me which she typically does not She's not my cup of tea When did like I mean if you you can tell me to shut up but like when did the relationship fracture? It was never whole my relationship with Lisa But like there has to be something because you guys like All of us just television show together. Yeah. Well, she can't deny that I made good TV and I was a part of the group that was the reason Vanderpump started, essentially.

Yeah. You know? Yeah, you provided a lot of like gunpowder to the keg that would explode. You got to have explosions, you know? But like, what's what happened? My back hurts from carrying it for so many years. Well, what happened? We're just not, we're not cut from the same cloth. many years. Well, what happened?

We're just not, we're not cut from the same cloth. Like, you know, being from the same room. What does that mean, though? We're humble, we're humble Midwestern people. I don't need to kiss the ring. I'm not going to bow down to some rich British woman who happens to be the owner of a restaurant, even though I'm on a reality show that might have,

you know, obviously I know that it's because of her that we had this opportunity. But at the same time, we're just not cut from the same cloth. Like I don't need to bow down and like I said, kiss the ring and like, oh, I'm not worthy of you queen, Lisa Vanderpump. No. Without naming people, do people do that to like extend?

Of course they do. Really? Yeah, of course they do. It's like, you can see a clear as day. All the guys, Sheena. I didn't, I didn't. Pretty much everybody. I didn't even have to name names.

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So you did this podcast as I was speaking of, and I sort of remember the story. I had to listen to your interview a couple of times and I'm like, I'm like, wait, what taser? And I was like, Oh, yeah, I kind of remember this. Can I tell the story? Please do. So I was in LA with my wife or something and she's a huge Vanderpump Rules fan. And so this was, I don't know when it was, say it's like 2009 or what was the first year you were on? 2012, so 2013 it aired. Yeah.

And you guys thought you were, you got married 2011. 2011. So it's probably like maybe 2013, 2014. We're out there. I'm like, hey, like love to meet up. My wife's like, you know, a big fan and like plus we get to see you. So I don't know where we are. Might have been sir somewhere. And then like, okay, I'll meet you out there. You, you, you roll up as you and Sandoval. And like, I was like, I'm like, I walked, I'm going to tell you,

I walked away from this and I told like, I'm like, I walked, I'm going to tell you, I walked away from this and I told, I told my wife, I go, it's not the Chris and I remember because I know if you guys, I mean, I'm sure you guys had been partying before, but you come up, we're talking and then you just whip out a taser and then you give your phone to sand of all. And I have like a memory, like a steel trap for things like this. And you're like, Hey, vine me, vine me and tase me. So like you spent like 10 minutes getting tased and vine and you're like, oh, that's not a good angle. I'm like, bro, you're getting tased.

Like stop, like what is going on? And then I think you did the reverse to him. And that was like my Kristen hadn't seen you in 20 years. And, but I get it. I'm his entrance. And I say, you won't let me tase you. We got the taser up. Well, now that I remember it, I've been tased, now I would do it.

So what it was back then is I was really into jackass. And like, they can do all of these things that I am such a pussy and like, I'm afraid of everything. I can handle this like I can handle this. So now that I remember I've been tased, though, it'd be really funny and we can do a 2.0. OK. I'll let you taste me. No pepper spray, but I'll let you taste. No, yeah, totally sounds good.

Let's do it. So what did Chelsea, your wife, think of me after that moment? Um, I just saw that I go, hey, like that's not fully Kristen, at least not the Kristen I remember. I just think it's like baby Ella. I mean, because when you're on a show and you're like and you're coming off like things are kind of messed up. And I you're like, and you're coming off. Things are kind of messed up and I just saw like, kind of like,

she's cool. Just next time you meet her, it'll be different. And my wife's, you know, my wife's a sweetheart, but I think it was a lot to take in. I'm sure. One who's not part of these reality three circles. We get bored at work. So we're like, how can we make this fun? And a very, very famous pre-Viner, my friend, Matt Cutshaw, who's huge on Instagram and everything, he worked at Sir at the time and he was a huge Viner. So I'm, I probably got it from him too. I'm like, if Matt can vine, I can vine. Let's taze me. I'll be Rachel Wolfson. Vine is essentially TikTok, you know,

but shorter before. Yeah, but shorter, but it's essentially the same thing. Yeah. Thanks for the contact. I was worried like people listening to this are probably like, what the heck is Vine? Dead, you know? They were born when we graduated. So you know, Dan, I'm 32. So I'm, Kristen's Robin the Cradle over here. Yeah, you're a baby. How did you guys meet a wedding in Colorado? Really? Did you know that Kristen was Kristen or is it just oh, like, so I had actually until about a year ago, I had never seen an episode of Vanderpump rules.

We like started dating before I'd ever seen the show. OK. When I first we met, Kristen had a boyfriend, like a couple hours, one night in Denver, two years before this and someone said, Vanderpump rules. I said, what's a Vanderpump? You know, what kind of pump is that? I don't know what you're talking about. But anyway, it was like a quick thing.

And then this wedding was coming up and I'm single and talking to my buddy who's the groom Greg and I'm like, I need a list of the single girls that are going to be at this wedding. And Kristin, we thought it was taken up until about what a week before. Actually, I found out maybe less than a week, like five days before. And I'm like, all right, to the top of the list. And Kristen, she'll move quickly to the top. And we really just hit it off.

I mean, I know, lucky you, right? And so how to do it? I actually don't know how you and Chelsea met because you... I got more questions. You keep going. So then you moved to LA from Colorado? No, I technically still don't live here. And that's addressed.

Parts of that will be addressed when the show starts airing. I still go to Colorado quite a bit. You have like a normal job? No, I've had a normal. In Colorado? I've had a normal type job since like 2015. So Dan, he's from Indiana, so he's like Midwestern boy, but lives on a 70-acre ranch in like rural Colorado.

Like, I can't hate that word, rural Colorado. What did you do or what are you doing in Colorado? I've got a hemp company currently transitioning my property into a campground slash festival grounds. So Yeah, that's where that's going But like now it's like you're part of a different world So it's got to be like a bizarre transition to go from like like a business to like face What out whatever this is, you know what I mean like this is yeah, I'm still trying to figure out whatever this is I'd have no I don't know

It is odd and it's so funny though I still, yeah, I'm still trying to figure out whatever this is. I have no, I don't know. It is odd and it's so funny though. Everyone's so excited for me and I still don't even know what's happening. It's how it feels. So, yeah. Kristin, did that draw you to him because it's not like not. Yeah, he's not LA. He's a good Midwestern boy. Like we grew up in the same sort of, you know, like we were raised sort

of the same in the same type of environment. And he is in LA and he's far more mature than guys my age or older that live in LA. So, yeah. Chris, when you were on Vanderpump, how did you approach situations like when you were dating people? Like that you did they want to be with you, or did they want, like, camera time? Did you ever, you know what I mean? How do you parse through that when you're on,

like, a hit TV show that's live and it's throughout your life? Well, I dated Tom Sanival for six years. So I was mostly just with people that were on the show. And then after that, my next boyfriend, Carter, we dated for almost four years. And that was nerve-wracking, because we met on a dating app, but we had mutual friends.

So that felt very safe also. I was only really like single right before Luke. And like we met and then I went on few dates or whatever. You know what I mean? With people? Oh no, you said the stretch you had that was singles before, the act before me. Correct.

I had a small stretch there too But I never I would never like look at anyone seriously because I figured they either wanted to be on the show or they would never Be on the show and neither of those things work for me Did the second guy that you dated you met on the app? Was there any element of that that he wanted to be on the show or no? No, but he it's just the same thing I told Luke when Luke and I met, because I knew the Valley show was going to be happening.

Wasn't right when we met. We'd been talking for a while. Correct. But I'm saying once we decided to actually start dating, I said, like, this is a part of my life, and it's something you're going to have to, unfortunately, accept. And if you don't, this isn't going to work.

So. I had a lot of questions. No, not just accept. She said, I have to. I can't refuse to be on it. Yeah, I can't refuse to be on TV and date her. And so I had a lot of questions about what that entailed. Wow, so you must, I mean, you must really like Kristen then. I mean, and Kristen, that's kind of like, I'm just not gonna lie, that's like a ballsy move. It's like, you're asking someone to like, oh, here's my comfortable life. If you're not willing to shatter out of that, well then.

someone are like, oh, here's my comfortable life. If you're not willing to shatter out of that, well, then. It's just not gonna work because the life, the jobs, the life and the career that I'm choosing for the moment is doing television. And I have to be able to open my entire life up to that if I'm going to do it. I know the rules, I've done this long enough. So anyone who's willing, in a romantic way,

like if you wanna date me, marry me, be the father of my children, you're going to have to be willing to be a part of my job as well. Yeah, I was watching Luke's reaction to those three statements you just made as you said that. So she also...

It's good, it's good. It's trending up for it. So she's done so well. She convinced me I'm actually good at this. I don't know. To be determined. I mean, no, you fooled me because I'm like, oh, like,

you know, did you have, I didn't know if you were like a normie. You know, like, he's a normie. Yeah. Normies wouldn't say I'm a normie, but they also wouldn't say I'm an LA guy. So I'm somewhere in between. He doesn't want to. The one rule is we will not raise a family here in LA. That was my, that's Luke's rule. Like I do not like it here. I do not like, like I don't like super urban environments whatsoever. I grew up fairly rural like suburbs. That's more like I need space.

I also have a German Shepherd and living in a second story apartment is pretty tough with a German Shepherd. When she's used to 70 acres, no collar or leash ever. Like she runs around, she hops in my car. If she wants to, we go to the neighbor, she hops out and runs around. That's just how it goes. Have you seen a behavioral shift in your dog?

She groans in size a lot. She's like, just wants to be able to just lay outside. That's what she's used to. And yeah, she just wants to be able to lay outside. That's what she's used to. And it's not really an option here, you know, being in an apartment. And I also don't, I don't want to raise children in Los Angeles either. Why not?

I just, I don't, it's not, I want a big backyard. I want normalcy. I want my kids to ride their bikes and they're in our cul-de-sac. Like I want... Crimes and issue as well. It's just everything. It's the busyness, it's the crime. It's the way, it's my fearfulness of the way kids can

grow up here and what they're exposed to rather than letting them be exposed by what I choose, like as parents we choose to expose them to. I mean, you have three kids, you're married, would you want to raise them in the heart of LA? Probably not. No, I mean, I found LA to be, I mean, you know, I'm from the Midwest. I found LA to be like a huge shock to me. I would meet people and I could feel it was like, what can I do for them? 100%. There it is. 100%. And it was like time and time

again. And I'm like, this is not normal. And like, I feel like Kristin and I were so spoiled. Like, we grew up in a city. So like, it was a city but neighborhood. So you could get on your bike and you could ride 15 minutes and see 18 friends go to the store, go to the park. And it was just, it was safe. And I don't, I don't know that that exists anywhere anymore, you know, where you can like don't lock your back door, don't lock your front door at night. Like just, hey, pop over, come over my house whenever walk in. I believe it exists.

I believe it exists. Like now it's like subdivision. There weren't subdivisions back then. It was like just grids of houses and you could go wherever you wanted. Yeah. It was awesome. So wait, how did you and Chelsea meet because you met host big brother?

Yeah. So I'm going to give you the super, super bridge version. So I was teaching at Fort Worth, St. Mary's. It's a private school in Michigan. And one day I'm not at practice and one of my players comes up to me and says, Hey, coach, I want you to meet my cousin. And I'm like, look, I'm not taking dating advice from a 15 year old, but thank you. So our first game comes around and I see this girl walk in the stands and I'm just like, star struck. And the player came up to me and is like this girl walk in the stands and I'm just like starstruck. And the player came up to me and was like, that's my cousin.

And I'm like, okay, how am I going to strategically do this so I'm not like the creepy coach teacher going after my cousins or whatever. Your cousins. So at the end of the year banquet, I went to his mom and I'm like, hey, your son said that you had a niece that we'd be a good fit. Little did I know, my wife's family is like 50 deep, she has 100 cousins. Five minutes later, everything was hooked up and I got invited to a family party. I went there by myself and I just knew.

I was so... Yeah, so that's how I met her. Oh my God. My heart. I just like I just knew like I was so yeah, so that's how I met her My heart My heart my ovaries They have three kids. Yeah, how old are your kids Dan? I Have a seven year old son a six year old son and a two year old girl. So awesome It's awesome. Yeah, and that's like and that's like the whole thing for me is like doing stuff like the traders. It's always, my wife is always on board, you know, but I don't do stuff like this.

But my first question is like, is me leaving for three weeks going to impact them in a severe way, you know? And because that's where my priority is now. It's like I've had an amazing life and not that your life has to change when you're a parent, but I'm like, that's my priority. So NBC made it so easy. Like big brother, like you're locked away. Like NBC is like, you can call your kids, you can FaceTime and it was just, it was so cool. And, um, but like, it's just a, for me, it's a totally, I feel almost out of place, like doing the traders because like I'm there.

I feel like the outsider because I just the traders because like I'm there. I feel like the outsider because I just like the game and I know there's people there. There's nothing wrong with it. It's like they're there for the job and it's like the next job and the next job. Right. They don't want to make a career out of these. Yeah. Yeah.

And we're seeing that more and more now. Yeah. It's wild. Yeah. Yeah. And I think it's like, it's an amazing thing if, you know, if you can, if that's what you want to do. And for me, that's just not my priority. Right. And if you have the personality and the an amazing thing. If, you know, if you can, if that's what you want to do. And for me, that's just not my priority.

Right. And if you have the personality and the competitiveness, like you, you, I think you could, based on what I saw on traders, like you could, could make this a new career, but I understand having your priorities straight. Yeah. Well, I mean, and I want to say it straight, just for me, like, I, like, you know, Kristen, like you knew to tell Luke, like, look, you're self aware. And like, if you want this relationship to work, you know, it's got to be a part of it.

And if you're getting it out of the way now, and for me, it's like the same way, like, there's nothing wrong with that. It's like, you know what you like. And for me, you know, it just has to be a really special show because like, I've got pitch to go on Amazing Race and a bunch of other shows. And I'm just like, I just sometimes it's not worth it. You know, it's like, Kristen, I mean, it's probably hard for you to imagine,

but like imagine if you could do Vanderpump rules or whatever show the Valley and then go back to like Dearborn Life. Like it's kind of like the best of both worlds. Yeah. She shook her head. I mean, but- I don't think I could live in Michigan again ever.

Why not? I could have like a a house that it's too slow. I'm like the 88 G and me, like I need constant. I need like a ton of projects and like a million things going on at once. However, once I become a mom, that will change. But right now when I'm not, and I just have my two awesome, bratty little dogs. Like I, this is the, I, I just want to keep building my life in all of my platforms until I can be a mom and focus on Being a mom. That's how I feel. You know that This is not like a weird surprise. No, all I'm saying is I don't think you need all the everything going on here

I think it stresses you out and you have way more anxiety than benefit from being in this environment You're totally not wrong. Well, I'm just saying, the argument you just pitched was that you need this. I don't care if it's my argument. I'm saying we're both right. Okay. Well, yeah, logic versus feeling, yeah. Man, Dan, when you left, or your last speech, right, around the round table of traders,

I thought you did a great job of calling out Phaedra. I'm like, you know what, this is a very strong latched ditch effort, but it is not going to work. It's what I was thinking when I was watching it. I mean, I totally underestimated her. So I got to know everyone on a personal level, and I didn't necessarily play a lot of... I didn't talk strategy with a lot of people, but she told me the careers that she had. She was a funeral director. She's a lawyer, a Ricky Healer, and the lawyer part went right over my head. She's like a lawyer, like a Ricky Healer. And like the lawyer part went right over my head.

I'm like, I don't know what a Ricky Healer is. So I was like learning about that, but she's a very adept lawyer. And like there's a part of me that's like, how could you do all four of those things so well? Or whatever her career, and she does. And I learned that firsthand, how good of a lawyer she is in person

because she killed me. She comes to quick. I mean, well, it was totally a lawyer, she is in person because she killed me. She comes to you quick. I mean, well, it was, it was totally a last ditch effort though. Man, you were like grasping on to the last little hair you could. You knew you were gone. You could see in your face too. But you know, you made it longer than I thought you would. I thought they had you two episodes before that.

Really? You and me both. You and me both. That's hilarious. Wait, so why traders though then? Because as you've obviously said, so you did the Big Brother thing, you didn't want to do All Stars,

you said you're not going back. Now you're married, especially now like today, you have three children, one very young one. So why traders specifically? Was it the game that like turned you on that you were like, okay, it's a quick, because how long for big brother, how long you gone for if you go the whole way? Yeah, when I did it, it was like 75 to 80 days.

I think now it's like 99 days, which is insane, but it's like 99 days of no contact. It's a lot. It's not like, you know, like when you're filming Vanderpump, like you can, we go home. Yeah, it's a job. Yeah, we have call times. Yeah. Big brother's your life. And like, and you're living on the CBS lot, which I just learned a year ago that you're living basically in a parking lot that they built this structure for you to live in, which is so weird. Yeah. And like the thing for me is to do well in that game And I have no other comparison and it's not a fair comparison, but for me It's like going to war like I'm going there to murder people within the context of the game and like you can't do that as a Well-adjusted human

Like you have to get your mind there and then once it's there and you come out and the game's over It doesn't just snap back automatically. It's like very, it takes me like six to 12 months to get to normal. I tell you decompress, like essentially go back to being a civilian, if you will. I'm like, this is how I see it would do like when I saw you in LA, like I almost felt like you had like this reality TV fog. Like you kind of know what it's like. And like now, like when I talked to you, I'm like, it's not, it's gone. Like you, you grow up and you adjust and you learn how to deal with all this stuff.

You don't know how to deal with when you're on a TV show because there's no manual on how to deal with that stuff. That's totally true. So with my friend, who's like my bestie back home, my guy best friend is like a massive big brother fan. He was actually with Rachelle today going to pick up her new car in Cleveland. They drove together. But Phil was like, you got to ask him just point blank, best and worst things

about being a big brother. What are the best and what are the worst parts? I'm guessing now one of the worst parts where was like the captivity of it all. Yeah, I think the worst part is the readjusting to real life is really tough. Not for everyone, but for me because I just like I'm there to like I turn into a robot. And I'd say the best thing is like, I'd say the first time because you're 24 or 25, you have no responsibilities. You don't have to go grocery shopping.

Like everything's taken care of you. I always thought that was kind of cool where like all you had to do all day was like hang out, work out and like dress up and like lemon costumes and stuff. And it was like, it was like a leash to act like a kid for a summer and you didn't have to do anything. But your film 24 seven is to me that would drive me

absolutely crazy. Like I would just hide in the bathroom I think all the time there's a camera in the bathroom there. What there's camera everywhere. Yeah, so you can't even take a Poop I've seen as came what it's really like yeah, it's for like safety reasons So like if something like you can't hide there's nowhere to hide Okay, I'm just gonna say I'm just gonna say it. We're all adults. What if you want to masturbate? What do you do? You're probably gonna be on camera. You pull the sheet over your head. I mean that.

That is horrific. I'm like, what if you have like diarrhea or like what if you're not feeling good? They're gonna get it on camera. That's so mean. What doesn't mean they're gonna air it, but someone's gonna see it. Oh, see, and when I'm upset on Banner Pump and I don't want to be filmed, I rip that mic off and I go somewhere where they can't film me. I'm like, this is what's happening.

You have a contract where you can't do go somewhere where they can't film me. I'm like, this is what's happening. Deal with it. Oh, you have a contract where you can't do that? Like you can't like rip your mic off. Of course they don't want us to, but I don't want to be filmed. I'm taking my mic off. It's not that hard.

I'm going home. See, very different the shows that we were on. Yeah. So I have some insight as to why you are so good at what you do, because I will say when I was googling, yes, I googled you, because I was looking for specific dates and things. But when I googled you, the first question that comes up

in the dropdown menu is, why is Dan Giedling so good? Literally, that's what it says. So the insight that I have is coming from your cousin, Rachelle. And she said, well, she goes, how much does he miss? Which is this old house down the block from my parents and his cousin, Rachelle, lol. And that she was very bummed. You got voted off.

Um, but she thought that you looked like you were laughing the whole time at the round table that you were laughing about getting kicked off. But she said, what else you everyone might want to know is about talking about how you used to play video games as a kid. You were a genius, a literal genius. He was like no other Nintendo player as a six-year-old I have ever seen in my life. And she is wondering how did this help you with those kind of shows and challenges? So here's what happened. So Rachelle, my cousin, lived two blocks down,

was an only child. And so I had a Nintendo really early, but I had maybe two or three games. And then I don't know when you started hanging out with Rachelle, but you go to Rachelle's house in the basement. It was like the whole library of Nintendo she had. So I would like beg my mom to like take me down to my cousin Rochelle's because she had all the games. But I don't know. I think the thing that, and I don't know if you remember this, but I was always really quiet. I would always like listen 100 times more than I

would speak and I'm still that way. And I think that's really what has served me the best is because even in traders, and this is what I always tell people, in Big Brother, I went the first month and no one really asked me a question because a lot of the time I just spend getting to know people, traders was the same way. I spent all my time trying to build relationships

with people, I could tell you stuff about Phaed, Shirei, MJ, like about their personal lives because that develops a really strong trust. In real life I do it because it's like I like connecting with people but in these games when push comes to shove if they think that you know we're like this that could be the difference in winning a half million dollars or a million dollars and not. My problem with them the traders was there's just not that kind of time. Like I never like there are too many people. There were there were so many people and it's so fast.

I noticed that. Yeah. It's super fast. And so I never really adjusted to that. Yeah. So I've read a lot and I know like you say like obviously you've said this today, but like your social game is so strong. But do you think because you're a gamer,

like a YouTuber and now we know ever since you were a little tiny six year old, is that part of it or really it's just your social game for you? Like your strategy I guess. I feel like it's very strategic. If you're a game, my brother's a gamer. My brother's a huge gamer and he's like super strategic.

So I don't know. Yeah, I mean like to me that's what drives me. Like I just am like, if there's a party in my wife's like, Hey, let's go to this party. I'm like, but if she's like, Hey, there's like a Eucer tournament or they're going to be playing cards or they're going to be playing bags, anything. I'm like, I'm in. If there's not something to do competitively or just to do, I'm like, dude, I don't want to sit here and like talk about whatever. I just don't, you know? I'll go throw bags by myself at a party sometimes.

Like literally like, who wants to play somebody? Something, yeah. And here's the thing, like when you play a game with someone, that's like, to me, you can get to know someone because like there's not these like awkward fake conversations about, oh, oh man that's Dan one of my hardest things adjusting out here one these reality people that I was introduced to through Kristen I gotta say they all talk over each other everybody does and I everyone's like

Luke is so quiet I'm like I'm not fighting for words here like you all talk over each other so I will just listen and if someone was asked me a question, you know, cool, if not, you know, I'll probably go throw bags by myself. Someone wants to come play with me. We can actually have a conversation. That's how. Well, so and you saw on the show, I got labeled quiet. I'm not quiet. I'm just not fighting over 20 people to like come up with a crazy theory

on who to vote out. But that I mean, you said like you're quiet. You're not quiet. You're just not gonna fight for. I wanna compete in competition. I don't wanna compete to get my point across when everyone else is talking over each other. It just annoys the shit out of me, honestly.

You get it, you get it, you understand me. But that quality Luke in reality TV is extremely rare. And I think that's why I do well, because people on reality TV is extremely rare. And I think that's why I do well, because people on reality TV are just like you explain. Like it's like, da da da da da da da da da. And so if you're the antithesis of that, it's that's what worked for me. I think it frustrates people.

I'll say that I've experienced people getting frustrated talking to me because I don't know. I know. You respond, you don't react. Well, I tried to. In my experience in reality television, most people are very reactive. And when you're like.

Because that makes great TV. I was reactive. You had moments, but I'm just saying, like you, in general, you're typically a responder to conversation rather than a reactor to a situation. Typically, yeah. Which is, which I value very much. Something I try very hard to get better at every day, every day.

Random question, Dan. Do you meditate? I don't, but when I have, it's like, like what I've been doing lately, because I moved, I don't want to get in the details because Chris and already leaked my childhood address. But I like to go like early morning like no one's out like walks. And that's my time to like get focused for the day and you know, just really kind of take everything in. Are you still coaching? So I gave up coaching last year because now I coach all my son sports. I know my ovaries. Ready to get pregnant.

OK, yeah. So when I did do my little quick Google view, I didn't know that you intern for the Lions. So so my initial career path, I was going to be a college football coach. So long story short, I went to Michigan State. Instead of partying and doing all that, I spent every waking hour at the football building. It started out like getting coffee, then running copies. Then one coach was like, I end up being my mentor. He's like, hey, will you sit in this film room with me and draw these routes?

And so I spent my four years of college education, like getting a degree, but also like getting schooled in football. So then when I graduated, I became what they call graduate assistant coach at Michigan State. So I'm 22 coaching 22 year olds that are D. Lyman that are 250 pounds heavier than me or 200 pounds heavier than me. So because that's the rod I was going to go. And then so then I interned with the Lions and then long story short, I did that for two years and the head coach I worked for got fired. And I saw all these families or the coaches, all the assistance

families, coaches come in and they have kids and they're crying because all staffs fired, one's going to Wyoming, one's going to Washington, one's going to Florida, wherever the job is. And I knew right there, I go, I don't want my life and my family's life to depend on an 18, 19 and 20 year old catching a football, but I still love football and coaching I'm just like this is not gonna be my career path But I did intern with the Lions and it was awesome. Yeah, I mean that is like the coolest thing I've ever heard because I was very heartbroken After our very unfortunate loss, but good for us. We killed it. I was still very heartbroken after our very unfortunate loss, but good for us. We killed it. I was still very heartbroken.

I mean, even now, like you'll go around to the stores here and people are still talking about like, if could you believe that we are this close to a Super Bowl? And I'm like, it's just not Luke for us. It's like, just, it's a one in a billion chance. It's like getting struck by lightning. Like our life is just, we've never even had any success with Alliance I just have one more football question, but and then I did a couple questions from fans This is from at kristin dodie

What are your thoughts on taylor and trav do you have any thoughts? My I'm always I'm always football centric. I think there's no way in any shape or form as a football player, you cannot say that's a distraction. And I think you saw it in his some of his regular season play, like made a lot of drops of people. Oh, it's because of Taylor. It was because of Taylor. It's not because of Taylor. It's because of everything else. You know, it's not because of a girlfriend.

It's because of it's a circus. I mean, it's a flat out circus at every game. And I think at some point it affects teammates, it affects coaches, and it's like how you handle it. I just want to say, I just want to say, because we rarely talk about Tay and Trav on our podcast, but everyone knows him as Swiftie. And what I really love, and I post this on Instagram often, what I love about it is how many young girls are starting to watch football. And if it took Taylor introducing them to it and now they want to spend more time with their dads

or their football loving moms or grandpas or whoever, hell yes. That's what I love about it. I think it's great for the sport, but how do you as a coach? With the distraction of it, I get it. How do you manage it? And I think you's great for the sport, but how do you as a coach? With the distraction of it, I get it. Yeah. How do you manage it? And I think you can manage it. And I think Andy Reed's smart enough.

He's going to figure it out. OK, a couple of fan questions, super fast. OK, this is from JustinMy20s. Oh, that's cute. That's a funny handle. On Big Brother, how do you, we sort of talked with this, but how do you prepare mentally once you're quarantined? So for every show, like every time I've gone on Big Brother,

or even the Traders, I read a book, it's called How to Win Friends and Influence People by Dale Carnegie. And it's just like, it's like a great reminder of how to navigate those worlds. So that's like, once I'm done reading that, it's like, okay, I'm like battle ready now. Oh That's interesting. I love that. You never read it. You should like let's like let's do it in the car

Twice yeah, I've read it once. Yeah, no, it's a great book. We were both like, uh-huh. There's a there's an updated version too I read the original and yeah, I'm not good to know What was your least favorite part about coming back to reality TV doing traders? I would say Alright, I'll be honest with you. I was There and I'm like, okay. I'm amongst professionals like it's a job like the cameras on everyone's all in so cool And I was surprised that when I made like because when I play these games, I don't rip on people I don't insult them, I don't make fun of them.

If I make a move against you, it's because I think you're in a strong position and I can't beat you. And I was really shocked that some people took it really personal and have some not kind feelings towards me. And so I'm like, I'm trying to empathize because like they feel like they got duped.

But it's also like I didn't dup you in like rub your face in it or you know what I mean? Right. So that was like that was the hard part for me because I'm just like, I thought everyone got it. Like we're all on the same team. You're there to play a game. This isn't personal. Like you guys can be buddies, insta friends, hopefully meet up again, hang out, but like this is just a game when you're playing.

Yeah. And some people. That's something I had a hard time on the go. That's a completely other side of the picture from Vanderpup rules or that type of thing, because you are trashing each other. You know, it's like you're saying how you how you feel about another person in the moment, you know, it's like that's what they want. Yeah. OK. Next question is from Jen Jan's brain. What big brother players do you think would make the best trader?

so My favorite is her name is Brittany She is like when you if you ever meet her she is television walking around like she does she doesn't have to turn it on Like she is just naturally hilarious hilarious witty Smart funny and she's really competitive. Her name's Brittany Haynes. I think she will do really well in the show and I hope to see her.

She's great television. She's great competitor and great television, which is hard to pull off in like a competition show. Oh, totally agree. Okay, next is from Erica on the town. Who did you underestimate the most? I would say Peter from The Bachelor. I saw him as like Rose, Rose, Rose, dating, dating, dating, and like not setting these elaborate traps.

And really like he understood the strategy and he could do what I call like the hand-to-hand combat, like getting things done, where some people understood strategy and weren't good one-on-one. Some people were great like one-on-one, but didn't understand the game. He got both and I never saw it coming because why would you? He's a bachelor, but he's awesome. Pilot Pete. I got a question to tag onto that. So I think just watched all this yesterday.

Yeah. It's fresh for you. It's really fresh. So when you said you want to take Peter out, no, you didn't want to take Peter out You want to take birdie out Right. Yeah poverty immediately says so he's lying so Peter's lying because he you know told us Did it that like go through your mind at all like were you having second thoughts after she said that? so Prior to that I won't get into the minutiae. Prior to that, like my best friend in the game, who were like, we're like this in real life

and she just came after me, like sucker punched me like strategically and I was like reeling. So and then on top of that, that's those scenes are shot at like super late at night. And so I'm like stunned, which I've never really been stunned in a game like that. And then you got to make this decision. And when that scene happened, I texted Parvati,

I go, I literally have no recollection of you saying that. It's like it didn't happen. And so like, when I told her that, like I respect the heck out of Parvati. She's so smart and savvy. And she's like, yeah, like, why didn't you listen to me? I'm like, because I just, it was like it didn't happen. When I watched it on TV, it was like seeing that

for the first time. That's wild. Gotcha. You know, cause if I had listened to her or it registered, then we wouldn't have taken such a huge gamble. Right. Backfuckers. God, no, that makes sense to me

that you just didn't register at all at the time. Yeah. Because to me that made sense as well. It's like, okay, multiple people. It's like, my brain was where Parvati's was, but honestly I wasn't living it. Yeah, you would think, yeah. Yeah.

That is so wild. Okay, Dan, would you ever appear on a Bravo show? We miss you on TV. I felt like this was Bravo. Like there was Bravo-esque people in this. I mean, I felt like this was like... Fajra's Bravo? Yeah. Hammer, you know, like I felt like I got exposed to sure. I mean sure is awesome

I got exposed to the Bravo fan base from this and I think normally the Bravo fan base is like they're going like this There's two factions. There's like, you know team Kristin, you know team Luke at whatever right now on this show It's like oh you went after a Bravo person. Those two forces are now collectively joined coming at me. And I'm like, holy cow, I thought big brother fans were rabid. The Bravo fan base is something else. And I can appreciate that. Bravo fans. This is your queen talking to you. And I would really like you all to send Dan lovely messages of kindness and hope. I don't have a lot of a lot of Bravo love. So anything you need to do.

Bravo love from a boy guys. We've been friends since we were like little kids. So make that happen. Okay. Last question from fans. This is also from Jen Janes brain. Who is the one big brother person who you're not in touch with that you wish you were still, you still were in touch with?

It's a good question. Big brother is like summer camp. I never went to summer camp, but we've all watched movies where, you know, you go to summer camp and like you make all these friends and you go home and you don't really talk to anyone because everyone goes back to their lives.

And so the people that like I talk to are the people that you still have friends that you've stayed in touch with from. Yeah. I mean forever ago, 15 years. Yeah. Yeah. And I try to, you know, keep in touch with people and check in on people. But it's also like you go back to your life and you know, it's not like you're a dad. You have a few things going on, shall say okay Luke do you want to give him my last question oh yeah I don't know if you've been briefed on this but this is the way we like to end our podcast are you gonna sing it or you're gonna say it are you gonna make me sing it yeah oh man okay go ahead you start and I'll try to find you. And I would do anything for love, but I won't do what

eat chicken cordon blue. If you give me chicken cordon blue, I will throw up, throw up everywhere worse than the screen screen. Wow. That's a unique one. We haven't heard anything like that. Amazing. What do other people say?

Would Chris have texted me that I'm like, I don't know what I'm gonna say. They say things like, Anal. Anal, just swim with sharks, you know, like kill a turtle, I don't know. Luke said he would never be vegetarian. Vegan.

Or vegan. Or vegetarian. Or vegetarian. Either way, no way I'm not eating meat or fish or something. Wait, this is my favorite answer ever. It's so specific. Cordomblo. That's hilarious.

I'm gonna require a specificity for like every answer moving forward. We should send out a notification, like these are answers you can't use. Oh, you cannot say chicken cordon blue. Oh my God, I'm crying. This has been so great. Like I feel like, I'm gonna say you're back,

but like this is the Kristen I remember, you know? Thanks, boo. But I get it, like you're back, but like this is the Chris and I remember, you know, thanks, boo. But I get it. Like, you know, last time we met, it was a lot going on and, you know, you guys seem really happy and I'm happy. Thank you. Yeah, I was a mess. I was dating Tom Sandoval.

I drank like every day. I didn't really eat. I was like super skinny. I had to work for Lisa Vanderpump and that's just a perfect storm. You know, can I ask you a couple of Bravo questions? Like, and like person, like, did you, when all this is going on, like, did you see this train wreck happening? And you're like, I know this story and it's just a matter of time before this whole thing blows up with the

current situation on Bander pump. Like, did you know? Oh, Tom and Ariana? Yeah. Did you know? Oh, yeah. I mean, well, I, when I was still very bitter, after he and I broke up and he started dating her, I said multiple times, like, how you got her is the way you're gonna lose her. Like, you guys didn't start this off very honest, so I don't think you're gonna last. Cut to years later, I finally let go

of trying to ruin their relationship. I become happy on my own and less psychotic. That's how it works out, yeah. And so in Ariana and I finally became friends. And once Ariana and I became friends, I started realizing I was only wanting to be near Santa ball at all just because that was her boyfriend now. Like now he was my friend's boyfriend

and he was no longer my ex. And when it happened last year, I was totally shocked, honestly, like in the moment. I was mind blown. I could not believe after being together for almost a decade that something like this would go down and it would blow up the way that it did, but I'm just so happy for her.

She's so happy. She has had the best glow up year of her life. And she has a great boyfriend and she's traveling and working and she's just killing it. So it's pretty wild, but everything I'm seeing about, and I'm not friends with Tom Sandoval anymore, but everything I'm seeing on TV and podcasts he's doing and the very few times we run into him occasionally,

I'm not happy with what I see. So not in my circle. So you could say that you saw something like this coming. Maybe, I mean, you're not to the magnitude, but you like this was inevitable. Yeah, I think it's just Tom's MO. I don't, I think he's like full on Peter Pan syndrome. I mean, he's,

I mean, to put it simply. How old am I? I'm like, I'm almost 41. So he's going to be 42. Like a 42 year old man who's doing the same exact things he was doing 20 years ago is absolutely wild. Even the same thing he was doing 10 years ago. And clearly, I'm not what I think myself

and even the viewers and the fans are not seeing. It's like, there's no, he's not grasping that there's like a need for change or a growing up moment. He just thinks he's the victim still. You can't ever like a need for change or a growing up moment, he just thinks he's the victim still. You can't ever find a partner for life let alone raise children and move on and live a happy healthy life if that's the way you view the world. I heard it here first, Dr. Phil. Yeah, that's how I feel about Tom

Sanibel. It's sad. No, I had to ask just because it's like I feel like you're like this was gonna happen like there're like, this was going to happen. Like there's no way this doesn't happen. And it'll keep happening. I think it'll happen with every relationship that he enters into unless he decides to go to therapy or actually take a really good look in the mirror. And there's a part like as a viewer, because I'm like such just a viewer, like it's like

great TV, but then you're like, this isn't a TV show. It's like life. So you're like, you kind of feel conflicted as a viewer because you're like, it's like great TV, but then you're like, this isn't a TV show, it's like life. So you're like, you kind of feel conflicted as a viewer because you're like, it's great TV, but this is like awful for everyone involved. Yeah, imagine like, imagine if this were like a guy that you grew up with or like went to high school with, he's a year older than us.

And this is the way that he's still acting at age 42, just like blows my mind. And I'm glad I don't have to touch it anymore. I don't have to, you know, I get to watch it from afar. Okay, Dan, I love you so much. Thank you so much for jumping on. I need to have you back again. We have been recording forever.

I know people are gonna say it's still not enough because everyone wants to hear from you. So I love you. Thank you. Anything else to add, Luke? Just chicken cordon bleu. So, Luke? Just chicken cordon blue. So freaking fucking chicken cordon blue. Well, thanks so much for having me. It really, uh, it's a lot of fun.

And I'm so happy for both of you guys. You guys look so happy. Thank you. It's awesome. Thanks for having me. And everyone make sure you follow Dan and send him a bunch of love and DMs. All my Bravo people. Okay. Do me that solid. Thanks. Bye. of love and DMs, all my Bravo people, okay? Do me that solid. Thanks for listening. See you next week. young covers hidden objects and clues to solve her sister's death in a beautifully illustrated world set in the roaring 20s. With new chapters added every week, the excitement never ends. Download June's Journey Now on your Android or iOS device or play on PC through Facebook

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