Sex, Love, and What Else Matters - VPR From the Start - S1 E8 “Last Call” with guest Jax Taylor

Episode Date: July 27, 2023

Episode 50. In this episode, Kristen and Luke are joined by Jax Taylor to recap the finale episode of VPR Season 1! They also answer listener questions and get Jax’s take on Season 1 and how he feels now vs then, and what he’s been up to. Sponsors: Sign up for a one-dollar-per-month trial period at shopify.com/kristen New customers GET $5 OFF a Lume Starter Pack with code DOUTE at LumeDeodorant.com.  Cozy Earth provided an exclusive offer for my listener’s today. Up to 35% off site wide when you use the code DOUTE. Do yourself a favor and head over to organifi.com/doute and use code “Doute” to claim 20% off your entire order today.   Follow us: @kristendoute @luke__broderick Email us: [e-mail] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Hi you guys, I'm Kat and I hope you come hang out with me on KatSatlerNow. On my weekly podcast I continue to ask the questions. I've been interviewing people for more than 25 years now, but that doesn't mean I found all the answers. Make sure to listen to KatSatlerNow wherever you get your podcasts. What's up my little pumpy fans? Welcome back to another episode of VPR from the start, season one, freaking finale. And we have Jack Taylor. Hello. I'm here. I'm so happy. I haven't been very good on my attendance

and flakiness. I'm sorry. We've been a little busy. A little busy. Everyone will find out sooner or later what we have going on. So busy. So busy. So let's go back to season one.

Okay. Just in general about season one. What do you remember about our very first season of ever filming reality TV? You had actually done... I got some money in my bank account. I know, well, we had very little in our bank account. It was very little. I had none at that time. So to me, whatever we got, I can't remember the exact amount we got.

It was $5,000, and then if we became a primary, we had an additional $5,000. Okay, and now mind you, at that time, I was an additional $5,000. Okay, and now mind you at that time, that I was rich. $15,000. $5,000, I was paying $100 a week to live. So I was like, I grand, like yes. Yeah, it was like, we're actually... Rich, I can retire. You can live for years, though.

I know, I mean, I could at that time, when we were filming, I just felt like, man, this was awesome, because I never, you know, I've been hustling my whole life, and I'm always like living paycheck to paycheck to paycheck and waiting for paychecks, and then I would do a lot of jobs. But then by the time I got my checks,

I was so behind on my credit card bills that I just never was ahead of the game. Especially, yeah, because back then, you were modeling like crazy, but like you don't get, it's not like you do a shoot and then they pay you that day. It's like, I pay you when they want to. Like three months, four months later, sometimes.

I'm never they feel like it, really? For sure, no, 100%. But funny is that you actually did a reality show before the interpun rules. I did. How I hold to remember that. With Stasi, right? Are you in Jamaica or the Bahamas? Bahamas. And I cannot remember you know about this. The name of it. I don't remember. It was a, what do they call it? What do they call those? A, like a, not a team. A pilot. A pilot. Yeah. Which they used us as the kind of the guinea pigs to pitch

this pilot in Europe. Yes. So it was a lot of fun. It was like two or three days. You got a free trip to the Bahamas. I got a free trip to the Bahamas. Which I think I even got paid for that. I don't need maybe $500. Maybe. I don't really think I even got paid. But essentially you and your girlfriend and one of her best friends got to go on. Yes. When she friends with that Kristen girl with that time, so you guys got a free trip to the Bahamas. Did some jet skiing, went to the little club, and like I said, it was a free trip,

so I looked at it as it was awesome. I got to go to the Bahamas for free, but yeah, there was no, I don't think there was any money involved in that. It was basically, like I said, it was a teaser for the networks to see if they wanted to shoot a show like this in Europe. And so what I remember about this show was basically you were like the hot dude. It was Stasi, her girl, she's three friends with Kristen and two other girls.

And they were all just like friends that were vacationing the Bahamas and then they see the hot boy. Who's gonna get the hot boy? Well guess who got the hot boy? Stossy. Yeah, well, I mean, yeah, it was weird because we came in together already.

So I wasn't sure where they were gonna go with that. Because we didn't know anything about reality TV. No, no, and I don't think anybody really did. Yeah, that was more Hills style thing. Yeah, yeah. So when we started our show, it was like shit, fly, they were cameras or flies on a wall for a while. Like we weren't manipulated, we weren't produced really.

It was just like, we're gonna follow you guys because we don't know what the hell. Yeah, you guys created your own chaos, right? It was already all there. Yeah. It was like, that's the beauty of the show in the beginning is, and everyone's like, why does this formula work so well?

It's because we were not really, yes, we were casted, but we weren't casted because we were already all friends. This stuff was already all going on. They built a show around us. Yeah. So basically the camera guys and the crew basically just showed up and turned the cameras on. They didn't really, in the beginning, they really didn't have to do much.

Because like I said, this was already already all happening. Whether they filmed it or not, it was going to happen. So they said to put it together in a storyline. Right. They could follow the shots. Yeah. Yeah. Basically they would just, hey, can we have this argument in this restaurant

or can we have this over here? Can we, and then move the arguments around to make where it made sense? It was the only season that we actually got kicked out of a restaurant. Oh, yeah. Yeah. The Moroccan restaurant in the Strip Moll and Vegas.

Yeah, yeah. Well, thanks to me on that one. Why are you wearing a sweater? I was gonna ask that. In the summertime in Vegas. You know, I don't. I mean, it's gonna ask that. In the summertime in Vegas. You know, I don't... I mean, it's an epic sweater. It is hanging in the clubhouse.

It is. It is. I honestly don't know. I can ask that question. I'll tell you why are you wearing a sweater. I don't know. At the time, I just like thick sweaters. I guess, I don't know. I just... I honestly don't have a... I answered that. I just was wearing... I don't know. I don't know.

Oh my god. To be honest. Yes, that iconic sweater is hung up in the clubhouse. My manager, after that season, said, hey, can I have that sweater? And I'm like, yeah, sure, what are you gonna do with it? He's like, don't worry about it, just give me that sweater. So you're gonna hang it like a jersey. I did, I thought you thought it was gonna be my wall

in my apartment. He kind of framed it because it was an iconic sweater at the time. It was very the chunky knit. It was just always talked about. You know how like there's always one thing every season that they get talked about. All about the pasta or number one guy in the group or the chunky sweater. Like there's always some kind of one thing every season.

So that season just so happened to be the chunky knit sweater. And yeah, so now hanging in in the loof. It's so horrible. The Bravo loof was so probable move was so funny. All the guys, I mean, you're getting in a fight, but shirts just came off flying. Everybody just died throwing their shirts up. It was so bro.

It was so like, let's fight bro. Let's bro, and it was just like, I was just so heated and aggravated in those days, not that I'm still not, but I was just very just, I was on one man, I was on full tilt, and I was like a locomotive in those days. Like seasons one through six, I was on one man, I was on full tilt, and I was like a locomotive in those days, like seasons one through six, I was a runaway train. I was a runaway train, I did selfish,

didn't give a fuck about anyone or anything, I was just out to make a good show, didn't care really, like, or- Basically until you got engaged in the music. Basically, yeah, yeah, basically until I got engaged. Until I got engaged, yeah, you're right, yeah. Okay, let's do a quick recap of the finale episode. And then I have a few questions about production

and everything coming from the fans. So we start this episode, Laura Lee Quits. She quits her, she hands in, her ugly ass dressed Lisa, and said, I have booked a Jennifer Aniston movie. I'm stoked. I took her to that audition, by the way. Did you? Yeah, it was on large-minded.

Oh, my God. And she booked for the Miller's, as we said last week, but she became Bonaugraj, and we were really proud of her. That's so funny. So season one episode eight, last call. Yes. That's called last call. And, but really, the biggest thing, you skipped over the first scene,

like the last episode didn't end with with Jackson Stasi being seemingly back together, but they were shopping for dog accessories, and it was like, oh. Oh, yeah, you had Zoe? Stasi had that little thing, I don't know what kind of dog it was, the Venice that she got randomly. Oh, that terror, that dog was...

That she got rid of eventually. Because it was like, A, for many reasons, she got it randomly on on Venice Venice boulevard So God knows where that dog came from. Yeah, or what it had like a box of puppies Oh, and the thing terrorized her. Yeah, I don't know if you guys I reference a lot of my life to friends There's the episode where Jennifer asked and got the cat where we just scratched the hell out of it all the time Basically that was her version of that dog where she bought she spent like a thousand dollars on that cat

Remember Jennifer? She's like look at this this cat I got to spend a thousand dollars and just tortoise shreds. Basically the same thing. Stasi got this dog and a tortoise shreds. She loved the death, but it terrorized her. Yeah, but you guys were shopping and you brought Zoe and it was like, you were like, oh, shall I get Zoe a new leash? And she's like, yeah, because I'm not going to have her fucking be wearing what Laura Lee bought my dog. Yeah, yeah. She was on, Stasi was on one for many, many seasons. I mean, she was good at what she does.

Obviously, she's very good. Well, the episode before the finale is when you broke up with Lure Lee after AA, but then she came up to you with the bar in front of all the customers and she was like, you were like, I don't want to be with you. I'm in love with Stasi, and she just starts screaming at you about how she's, you know, you could just say, my dick was inside of you and like, you know, and say, you're sorry.

And tell me, just be a man, Jack, tell me you don't want to be with me. You're like, I don't want to be with you. And I'm sorry that this is the way it's going. And you're like, repeated what she said, but she just wouldn't stop. I know. And then Stasi comes over and she's just like smirking

in the corner. The customers are all weird. I felt really bad. Now I look back. And on that, the way I handled that situation was just awful. You know, I was like a set, again, I used the train runaway train because I really was. I was very reckless in my, what I did with my life and who I slept with and who I mean, I would literally just do anything to get a rise on anybody.

And I, that time was lor Lee was kind of in my path and you know, little to my, what I knew is she was going through her own personal demons at the time. You know, she had a little bit of a drinking problem. A little bit. A little bit. It's not my place to put her, but you know, she, I think she handled it. She admitted she was very self-admittedly like she was. She's a very intelligent smart girl.

She went to Juilliard. I mean, you can't just walk into that school. So very good actress. But I think I was just kind of on a mission to get back at Stasi. So I kind of wanted to date. Who can I date at Sir to really piss her off? Who's available?

Well, Lourley is. Yeah. You know, so I kind of, what's the term, you know, you shouldn't shit where you eat kind of thing. Well, we did that many, for many years. And listen, regardless, it's a great merch shirt for brand of Hope Rules. Don't shit where you eat kind of things. Well, we did that many for many years. And listen, regardless, that's a great merch shirt for brand of up rolls. Don't shit where you eat brand of up rolls. We're trademarking that right now.

So Lourley quits and all as well, Peter tells Stasi and I, Stasi has a fucking field day with it and then he reminds us that we have a photo shoot. The next day at 10 a.m. at least this house in bathing suits. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Dude, it's so weird. How'd you done one before this? It was 10 a.m. at least this house in bathing suits. Oh yeah. Yeah, yeah. Dude, it's so weird.

How'd you done one before this? It was purely a team set. We had done one prior to that because the photographers were best friends with Guillermo. They're like really amazing photographers from Argentina. And so we had done one with that photo is actually still hanging up in Sir. But this was our first like bathing suit, like photo shoot. And Peter's stuffing socks in his bathing suit. Like it is strong.

We were all so young and vibrant and everything was. Yeah, we were so good looking. Everything was just, it was one of those days where you can drink and eat whatever you wanted and I didn't gain a pound. And I just always looked good. I could literally party three nights in a row and show up the next day and still look good

and I can feel good and it was just, I missed those days. I know. And all of you guys just doing pushups, right? Before. Luke goes, I mean, yeah, that's what I would do too. That's what we had to. But I do. Those days were just so awesome.

I missed those days of just being able to rally and just go out, go out, go out. And I can't believe how much I used to go out. Now, like thinking about how much I want to go out, just when I used to go out, just makes me ill. Like the thought, if I go out once a month or twice a month, like, to a bar, like, that's a lot for me. I used to go out once or twice, like, a day.

A day, we really did. Well, every time we got off work, we would go out because we were like working, and it was just like, that was our nightlife. And we would start drinking in the morning, then go get ready for work, go work, and then go back out again. So, and then not only were we drinking before and after work, we were drinking during work. So, it was non-stop drinking, really was all the time.

We were just literally a recipe for disaster, but great TV. Great TV. You ever think back to just the sheer quantity of alcohol and liquor you drink? I think about my college days, and I take a fifth and these ones be friends, right? The guys drink a lot but the girls were on a different level. Yeah, you guys all drink. It was like the Tom's drink beer You and Peter drink like you drink vodka rocks Peter drink

Tequila rocks and we would drink like 18 bottles of wine between three of us. Yeah How you guys don't have diabetes is reading is like beyond me like the bottles of wine between three of us. Yeah, how you guys don't have diabetes is like beyond me. Like the amount of wine and tequila these girls would drink is just like cases of wine. Like they would go through bottles bottles. Yeah, I'm gonna headache just thinking about drinking bottles of wine. It's very impressive to think about like if you were to go back and actually track what they drink, it's extremely impressive. I should probably ask some of the producers and find out how much they drink.

They drink a lot. It's very impressive now to look back and be like, how did you guys consume that much? Oh, there was a scene I forget, which episode, Luke and I were recapping where Katie goes over Stasi's house and she brings two bottles of white wine. And then I brought up, I saw this TikTok.

I don't know if you've seen it, but it's of our pilot, which I, like, are, not our pilot, are casting videos. I saw, I think I had a certain tie on. I think I saw if you've seen it, but it's of our pilot, which I like our, not our pilot, our casting videos. I saw, I think I had a certain tie on. I think I saw bits and pieces of it, and I, because someone was saying, Jack's was always right because I was calling out Tom on some bullshit. You were calling out both the Tom's. You're like, they both cheat on their girlfriend. Yeah, I think I said it.

That was the mind you, this was the pilot. Like, literally our casting video. Eleven, twelve. But in that video, you have Alex Baskin, who was the head of evolution, and our showrunner Bill Engworthy, and I think even Jeremiah producer Jerry for all you fans, but in that they say,

oh my gosh, these guys were so broke season one, they couldn't pay their rent, they couldn't buy food, but somehow they always bought alcohol. That's true. We always had enough for alcohol. Couldn't pay our rent. Rent was due tomorrow, but like fuck it, we'll just buy alcohol. That's fine. We always had enough for alcohol. Couldn't pay our rent. Rent was due tomorrow, but like fuck it. We'll just buy alcohol.

That's fine. It'll get us through. Whatever. Yeah, the two buck chuck. Two buck chuck from Trader Joe's. Yeah. But yeah, so basically we just, we have these crazy photo shoots that were so much fun,

but very yes odd, I think, to the rest of America going, wait, I work at a restaurant. We don't do bikini photo shoots. We don't do that at Ruby Tuesdays. We definitely didn't do that at Bunkish Grill. And then the next day, we had our second photo shoot. It was actually for Jen Lux magazine where we all got to be dulled up and like Stasi and Shina are now like the best friends anybody ever had and they kiss and Stasi goes, oh,

the best friends anybody ever had and they kiss and Stasi goes, oh, she in a taste like sugary Britney Spears asked like a like pop star lips. Do you remember the burlesque dancing? Never. Oh my gosh. Yes. That was before we were filming because it was before the lounge was open. Oh, okay. So you should explain what what what what sir was trying to do, did what you never got off the ground? No, it didn't. So right when you ever had these weird ideas. Yeah, Lisa

bought the lounge, which is an art gallery next door and This was like I think just before housewives of Beverly Hills even and definitely right before Vanderpump and they had this idea Giromo the other owner had this idea that we should do like a burlque troop and this was when Jackson's dating Stasi obviously and it was five of us girls and they would rent out the third street dance studio and we would go practice burlesque. I would have to drop Stasi up and go pick her up every time. And Raju, they were having fun. They would never perform. They would just go practice.

It was just, I never, I never saw it but I just knew what was going on. Stasi would go show up in leg warmers and do these. I guess she would do braless. Nobody was a lot in there, guys-wise. So I would just go and pick her up. But apparently there was some kind of braless show that was supposed to happen. Yeah. That never really happened. And we all felt so cool. We would wear like ripped, like ripped tights and like little booty shorts and like little like bra lats. And then we'd, the five of us, me, Katie Stossi, our friend Nikki who used to work at Sir and then this girl Karen who used to work at Sir. And Karen was actually in old school.

Yeah. She was actually enough. But anyhow, you know, we're all just aspiring everything back then. But we did have a bra less troupe and never went anywhere. You hear that sound? It's the sound of a sale you're missing out on because you're not selling on Shopify. And what does it sound like with Shopify? Uh-huh. Much better.

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The blonde therapist. Oh, that's the one that you called me when I was in Australia. Yes. So, okay, I have a story about that. So, let me back up a little bit. So, I'm at that time, I was totally against therapy. I still kind of am, even though I'd been burned so many fricking times. So I decided after all the crap I got into, I said, you know what, and production kind

of came up to me and say, listen, would you be interested in, do you need to see a therapist on the show? Which the show offers, every TV show offers a therapist if you need it. And I said, you know what, no, I don't need it, whatever, whatever. And then I thought about it. I'm like, actually, they were drilling me on it. I'm like, why don't we film it, fuck it. Let's just film it. And they're like, are you sure? Like if you, we film it, it's got to go through a whole another thing. We got to sign paperwork. It's a big deal to put therapy on. Yeah, it's like very legal.

So I decided to do it, which I was totally against. I'm like, you know what, it's for TV, fucking I'm just gonna do this, right? So I'm like, okay, I'm gonna be vulnerable and I'm gonna do therapy and, you know, so anyway, I do the, do the couple classes, whatever, sessions, and I get vulnerable. It takes me a couple of sessions,

but I finally get vulnerable and I break down a little bit and I start to get really takes me a couple of sessions, but I finally get vulnerable and I break down a little bit and I start to get really into it. I forget the cameras. So in this first one, just to remind you since you haven't watched it and we just rewatched it, is when you start, you break down like the Jason verse, Jack. Right. The modeling, the college stuff, just like the little lies that you would tell like back in the day. Yeah. And like, you know, I just felt like when I was modeling, I had something to prove to people.

Right, right. You just whatever situation or whatever group were a party and I had to fit in. So I would just tell, you know, just try to fit in. It's pitch a story, just to, you know, to make it work and be fit in. So you do what you had to do. Yeah.

But anyway, so I don't remember exactly how this went. So I was in Australia with, I think I was with Tom. You guys had the Australia appearance. Yeah, so, and then I got a phone call, I think from you. I think I was with Tom You guys have the Australia Yeah, so and then I got a phone call. I think from you. I think from you It was me in Carmen Carmen you guys were sitting at a bar. If I'm getting this wrong Yeah, and you're over her the therapist talking about me now. I'm not a therapist, but that's What she was standing really close to us one-on-one is you don't talk about your clients It's come to the hipa. She got to hip a lot. So she's standing very close to us. That's really close to us. You don't talk about your clients. It's confidential. Hit the hipa. Yeah, it's a hipa law.

So she's standing very close to Carmen and I. I can't remember what bar we were at. And I hear her say jacks and so does Carmen. So if you guys don't remember, Carmen Dickman, Jack stated her later on in the seasons of very good front of mine. And Carmen and I hear jacks. We hear jacks.

We hear jacks and we're like, what the hell? Mind you, this is my therapist in the bar. The one that you guys see on this finale episode. So I look over and I immediately recognize her. And she's so wasted and comes up to Carmen and I and says like, oh my God, you're a Jackson's girlfriend, right? And just like, I can't remember what she said, but she's just like, just spill in the fucking tea

or like just wasted and like literally saying things that they would like talk about in their session. Even though we like knew, it was just so fucked up and I think we might have gotten her fired. Because I know I call product, yeah. And said like this needs to be reported that she never does this again. Because like that was my number one, that's what I was afraid of.

That's why I didn't want to go to therapy and to begin with because I was like, what if somebody talks about my personal thing? I know they don't do that. I know that's like psychology 101, is you don't talk about that. Not just psychology, that's all medical. Medical, right?

Anything medical, yeah. I don't even have to be a student to not know that I just, you don't do that, right? So, when I got the phone call, I was in Australia, I think it was like super early in the morning. What am I gonna do? I mean, I'm in a cross-the-world, like, I get this phone call and I'm like,

fuck, I go, are you serious? I'm having a good time in Australia and then I get this message call and I'm like, fuck, I go, are you serious? I'm having a good time on Australian and I get this message. She calls me and says, you're never going to guess what happens. I freak the fuck out. I start calling Bravo. I call the network. So I'm like, you know, I was vulnerable. I did what you guys asked and I got burned here.

Like, what am I supposed to do? Are you guys going to fix this? Jack's we're going to do whatever we can to get, you can to get her in trouble or whatever we have to do. But I was just like, I mean, the damage has been done. I mean, what are you guys gonna do to fix this? Who do you know? It's a lawsuit. There's a lawsuit somewhere, somewhere.

I swear, I swear watching it back, she just wanted to sleep with you. She did kinda look at me, who didn't really. No, she didn't. I'm kidding. But yeah, so, yes, and I, yeah, that was a really, that was a shitty situation It really was you know if I was smarter

I probably would have pressed charges and got some money out of that situation But at that time I was just kind of like a deer in headlights And I just kind of listened to whatever the networks told me to do and I just didn't want to upset anybody And I was just kind of like listen to sucks I they knew where they were in the wrong and they tried to fix things up really nicely But yeah, that was a crappy situation. That was one of the three times that I don't therapy on TV and I've got burned every time. Yeah that lady sucked. So then just before the final bomb is dropped at the end of this episode you go to Lisa and you're like I need to quit

but what I want to touch on. Show or a restaurant. Well you said you wanted to quit the restaurant but what I want to touch on is what was a show or a restaurant. Well, you said, you wanted to quit the restaurant, but what I want to touch on is what I wrote down is you said, listen, my job is so important to me. And I knew right then and there you were talking about the show. You were not talking about your bartending gig at Serbian being important to you. So it was like this conversation you and Lisa were having,

but I knew what it was really about. You know what I mean? And I feel like the fans now that were so many seasons past can like, I love spilling this kind of things, so these things to them, that you were sitting there going, I don't feel like this is the best place for me, AKA Sir, because of you and Stasi. However, your job is very important to you.

I didn't pick up on that, honestly. Well, Lisa calls you out and she's like, well, you're all over the place. She's like, you say this job is the most important thing to you and now you tell me you're quitting because you need to and she says this And I'm like, yeah, I guess he did do that but you making this point makes total right? He's like the job is important to me very important to me, but I do not want I do cannot work here anymore I'm not saying I'm bipolar by any means, but there was a lot of times where I would be on such a rant and I'm a very shoot first ass later type of person.

I make a lot of impulse decisions and I'm like, I'm done with this, I'm farting, and then I'll be like, what did I just do? I think you quit a few times. I quit a few times, but sir is unlike any other job. It's like, it's not just a job for me. I mean, it's like all of our friends work there. Like I didn't have one friend that didn't work there,

not one. So, I mean, other than Schwartz, other than that, I didn't really, and he was there all the time anyway. It's like, it was like, it wasn't just a job. It was literally, we were just all there. It was a cold. It really was like the days that I worked at Abercrombie and Fitch.

It was like a cold. We lived there when we were working, when we weren't working, we were always drinking there, we wouldn't go anywhere else. All of our friends would go there, all of our friends worked there. And then we'd get our friends jobs there. Yeah, and it's like, I would be there.

I would go there, even when I'm on my shift in work. Like, there was times when like, not just me, everybody would go and just hang out and work and whatever, we didn't care. It was like, it was just, I don't know. I always say I'm gonna be buried beneath the damn floors, it's there, or like beneath the concrete in the back alley. One day.

It's just, it was one of those places that just really brought us all together and we just loved being there. We really really did. It was like a really sexually fucked up cheers. It was. It was. But those are the times you guys are never gonna forget though, right? Right.

When you don't have all these responsibilities you do now, right, and you guys could just have fun, hang out at the restaurant, what place you worked, drink all day. Those are like some of the greatest memories you're gonna have in life. Also, how we acted in those days and what we did, and it would never work today.

The rules and the laws and the life, the way of the world has changed. There's no way any of the stuff that we used to do. Oh my God, watching season one, back half the shit that like comes out of, it's not even you, but just other people's mouths. I like go, oh God, oh God, oh God. you but just other people's mouths. I like go oh god. Oh god.

Oh god. I know what you can't hold someone's going to get canceled. I know. And I it's just you know it was a different time then and you know we were very it was a great time. We were very ignorant for a lot of things and totally and but it was a lot of fun but you know yeah we could never do that. We could never recreate that right.

It would never right never even if we tried we could never recreate that culture We could never recreate that. Right. It would never. Right. Now, even if we tried, we could never recreate that. Cultures changed. Cultures changed. Yeah. Yeah. So then the final bomb has dropped. And you tell Stasi, you did have relations with someone else. During the day, yes.

When I was with Stasi. The whole person getting. Yeah, yeah. Stasi at the time. Yeah, you know, you just kind of been between. So you bring those flowers in, you're like dressed up and you're like, can we talk? You know, do you bring the flowers?

Oh, yes. And then you guys go to the bathroom. But you say I did have relations with someone in Vegas. So while I was dating saucy? Yeah, that it was like months past. But what I do remember, very specifically, this could be on the reunion, but I don't remember. And I want to make very clear,

you actually did not get someone pregnant. No, I did not. She lied. And how I found out. Because she not get someone pregnant. No, I didn't. She lied. She lied. And how I found out. Because she needed a rent page. She needed a rent page. Oh wow.

So the roommate contacted me. So obviously I was freaking out and she told me she was pregnant. The roommate I think kind of had a guilty conscience or fell bad or whatever. Called me up and said, hey, listen, I just want you to know I don't know you from Adam, but what she's doing is not right. She's trying to get money from you. She is not pregnant, but she's using this as a way to pay her rent. And yeah. So that's, I want to clear that up. And that's awesome. That's why we have podcasts.

And that's why it's great to clear this stuff up because there's so many things on the episodes and see. Because you didn't know in that finale scene when you admitted to Stasi, but you found out later. I remember like not too long after that is when this roommate called you. Right. Right. So it was like, okay, fine. Yes. Did you cheat on saucy at that time? Yes. But did he get someone pregnant? No. No, no, that never never happened again. Like I said, the roommate called me and thank God. It's so fucked up. Thank God he did. It was very nice of him to do, but that was a really shitty situation that she put me through. Yeah. 100%. You know, she could have just said, hey, do you have any? Can you help me with my rent?

You didn't have to. You have a pregnant, you know, it's just said hey do you have any can you help me with my rent you didn't have to You know it's a little extreme. Yeah, you know, but So what were you like looking at your face when you're walking in to tell us? Oh, yeah, I want to know what you were feeling like but can I tell you? Absolutely I I actually wrote down Luke's face when you said I Did have relations with someone else? I looked right back at Luke and his jaw was on the floor like, what? Shot the fuck up. No, they played that great.

Dude, you had everyone fooled. You did in that season. I mean, Peter, I mean, he said it afterwards. He loved Lurley the whole time. I was big fan of Lurley on the show. I thought she did great. Plus, I like to- As far as like having everybody fooled,

was because why, was I denied it the whole time? No, the way you denied it and like the detail you'd go into about it I mean Peter's like I believe you 100% literally every single person You had convinced that it didn't happen that it was years before the whole Vegas thing that happened and if you can remind me How how did people even hear about it to begin with Frank Frank Frank Frank? So it's not because because you were in the car with him when they call with him when she called Oh God Frank and then fucking Frank the worst human on the face of the planet

Turn that guy took yeah that guy turned out to be a real winner, huh? Yeah, wow Yeah, so when what I was feeling was it was a weight lifted off my shoulders. Obviously I've done a lot of F-dubbed shit on that show, but You were a producer's dream for coming clean on the phone that show, but you were a producer's dream for coming clean on the finale though. Because that's really hard. I did always, I did a lot of fucked up shit. I don't know if you can swear, sorry if I am. Yeah, I did.

I'm swear. Yeah, it was a lot, it was not good. It was a weight lifted off my shoulders though because just knowing, you know, like I said, our group is very small and I just knew in the back of my mind what I did and it's just awful. Listen, I had to come clean on season two finale and that shit was really hard. It sucks, it sucks because you're doing it, like especially the friends that you tell,

like, hey, I didn't do this and then you're like, fuck, you just have to not only tell this person, but everybody else that had your back, you kind of have to be like, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Oh yeah, I mean, we've all told lies in our lives, like every person listening to this, everyone's sitting at this table, and it eats away at you.

It does eat away at you. It really does, even though for those that say gosh, actually you did this and this and that. It still eats away at me. Yeah, I've done a lot of stupid shit, but it's bothered me. Well, the past is past now. And you're married, you have an amazing kid.

Like that's all, we were young. It's just funny, it's fun and funny to recap these things, how much we've changed. I just hate that I put other people, you know, I hurt other people. As I get older now, you know, I understand what I've done a lot more than when I did that. Do them because like I said, in those days, I didn't give a shit. I didn't. I would go through the motions and be like, I was upset for about five minutes and then I move on. But now that I look back and all this, like, I did some really effed up shit. I heard a lot of people and it's just,

it's not a good feeling, but now that I go back and be like, hey, I'm sorry, it's kind of like, my name is Earl, I can go back and apologize. You know, and I have a really odd situation, and it's another one of my merch shirts, is this normal? Because I am friends with a lot of people that I've slept with and dated,

and now I'm married and my wife is now friends with everybody that I've slept with and dated. So it's a little bit of a unique situation, but it does go to show you that I'm not a malicious person. I did a lot of F-Dup stuff, but it wasn't like out to hurt anybody. I just made some stupid decisions. We were young, we were dumb,

we were just, we were filming a great show, we had a lot of fame at the time. It was like a kid in a candy store. Like nothing could really bring us down. You know, we were just so excited and we thought there was no consequences at the time other than somebody yelling at you for five minutes. So.

It felt like, for me to tag onto that, for me, it felt like, look, if we're gonna be like zoo animals, like caged up in this restaurant to have to actually like work and serve tables in bartend, which we had to for real in the first few years, then we're just gonna fucking do whatever we want. Right. And date and say to each other. Because I feel like we're gonna explode. Yeah. Dude, and from, okay, so from my perspective though, never being in this type of

show or this type of situation, you guys had your first like significant success with this kind of like acting this way, right? You did this and it's like boom, big reward. Next year, acting similar, boom, big reward. reward It's like this encouraging you encouraging you to keep doing this sort of thing And I totally get where you you're coming from you're like your priority was making a good show You're getting more famous you're getting paid more money more people are recognizing you're getting It's almost like you're being like you said rewarded for this kind of behavior Yes, yeah, and so you're kind of like well the show is going great. We're getting more episodes more money's coming my bank Why wouldn't I keep acting like this?

Why? Why would I be crazy, Kristen? Yeah, why not? Like, I'm getting paid to be crazy. And I'm getting paid to be drunk and stupid and reckless and hurting people. And guess what? They may not be liking it, but my boss likes it.

The boss is getting producers and stuff like that. Those are my bosses. So I'm like, they're happy. And as long as they're happy, and they're like, bringing me in, and they're like, Jack, we just want you. Like, yes, my bosses. So I'm like, they're happy and as long as they're happy and they're like bringing me in and they're like, Jack, we just want you, like, yes, my friends fucking hated me at times, but my bosses would call me in, I say bosses

because evolution would call me in and be like, we just want you to know you're doing a great job and they're making me feel so good. So yeah, I would feel down, but then they would make me feel better for doing it. So I was like, well, I might as well just keep doing it, you know, and I hate to use that as excuse. I know that's wrong. But if I was to sit in the corner it. You know, and I hate to use that as excuse. I know that's wrong.

But if I was to sit in the corner in total my thumbs, then I would lose my job. Yes. Exactly. And I love this as a good, nice quick segue. Just to I want to clear this up because it's something that maybe doesn't bother you in Brittany, but it's always bothered me.

So when something I don't really talk about when Sassy and I got Loco from the show, right? We were not asked back. Jackson Brittany were not fired, you guys. This is the point for you that I remember very well because Brittany was very pregnant and they were getting ready to do another season. And it was just a conversation that you had to have

for yourself and your family with producers that you weren't ready and willing to be that version of Jack's Taylor anymore. I think you know, we were going. And that's what happened. You guys just didn't, they wanted something for you. You weren't willing to give it because your family was more important and it was like a parting of ways.

You know, as you guys know, I've been drilled on this season mentally, physically, emotionally, on this season, every reunion. It's kind of a blur to me because as we talk about the season four reunion, they're all the same. It's basically a tacked jacks, which is fine. That's the role I signed up for. And Andy always apologizes to you too.

He does it at the end. And everybody apologizes me like, you know, at jacks off the record, you do a great job. This is what you're there. And you have the toughest game and you're the best villain and yada yada. And it was great. It was great to hear that.

But once you get married, once you have somebody that you really care about and then you have a home and now you're starting a family, it's not the same, you can't do that anymore. I just did, as much as everyone thought, God, this guy's a real piece of work, I have a conscience, believe it or not, it's in my body, I have it.

And I just couldn't do it anymore. And I'm just like, you know what? I need a break, I need to, I was okay with the decision we made and we needed it. And I just couldn't, I couldn't do it anymore. And I'm just like, you know what? I need a break. I need to, I was okay with, you know, the decision we made. And we needed it. As a husband and wife, I really need it. Cause I've never been with Brittany off the show. Like we've never been together, not on the show.

I remember right after, once I found out that you guys weren't gonna do the next season, you said to me very specifically, you go, I can't fathom the thought of a split screen of Brittany being eight months pregnant and like mopping the floors and I'm behind a bar sur with like some 21 year old customer hitting on it. That's exactly what would happen.

100% they would have me at sur bartending and they would cut to me like probably helping a customer but they would make it look like I was hitting on her. Meanwhile, exactly, you said my wife said, he wants pregnant, like mopping the floor or something. And then everyone's like, Jack's a douchebag. Like I just knew that was what was going on. You literally said to me, and I was with you in Brittany,

and remember it was like around the pandemic. It was during the pandemic. And you were just like, I can't do this. Like my marriage, I don't think my marriage will survive this and my marriage and my son being born is like so much more important to me. Then I took this. I was like, it was a difficult decision.

It was very difficult. You know, I was like, we were in the middle of a, we were coming through a pandemic, we were like, the world was changing a little bit or we were like, what are we gonna do? And I'm like, Brittany, there is a world where we exist. You know, there is a world, yes, we're gonna have to change some things.

I'm gonna have to change some things, basically. But there is a world where we do exist on TV. We just have to make some changes. I think we should take a little bit of a break. We can revisit this again. I know the networks love us the death. We'll figure something out. Let's just take a pause.

It, you know, and she was, she was okay with it. It bothered her in the beginning a little bit, but it worked out to be the best thing that ever happened. It was the best thing that ever happened. I needed to recharge my batteries. I needed to get a new outlook on life. Like I said, we were going through a huge shift in the world. Like things were changing and we were just trying to figure out

where we stand on stuff. And where you wanted to go. And where I wanted to go and do I exist in a reality world anymore? Does the Jack's Taylor that used to exist? Does he exist in today's world? Can I be that guy that I think Jason Kouchy definitely exists? I think I become more of a Jason Kouchy even though the Jacks is the Jacks will always be there. But he'll always be there. He's never going away. Just like crazy Christians. She's a little part of me. Yeah, they're always with us. They get triggered.

Yeah, at least one week of the month, Kristen. That's true. That's just who we are. Okay, I have a few questions from fans that were emailed to us. And this is a lot of it's about actually like the production side of it. The people are very curious about. So from Cameron wants to know, what does a typical call sheet look like? Are there set hours and what are pickup scenes? What do you call sheet? So what does a call sheet look like? Are there set hours and what are pickup scenes? What do you, the call sheet?

So, what does a call sheet look like? And so I think this is a super safe to talk about because what I think people, I think what's interesting for people to understand is like the crews, they need this. Like the crews need days off. They need a schedule. That is why we have a schedule.

Yes. So typically for us, Sundays and Mondays were our days off. They need a schedule. That is why we have a schedule. Yes. So typically, for us, Sundays and Mondays were our days off. Those were our days to get shit done. Whether it's dry, cleaning, washing your car, whatever it is, your bills. Those are our two days that we got off. They weren't really off because you got to catch up on life on those days. Yeah, do a lot of things. So it wasn't like you were sitting around doing nothing. You were basically catching up on life because Tuesday through Saturday, they owned us. So our schedules could come be like, hey listen, it would be like, Jack's here's your breakdown for the week.

Monday I could be working two hours. Tuesday I could be working 12 hours. Wednesday I could be working three hours. It really varied, it depending on the week, what they had planned and on who was doing what. And what was going on in real life? Because you could have Wednesday, let's say it's your schedule,

our schedule could say, they give you like a week at a glance. Like, this is what we have based on what you guys have told us about your lives right now. But Wednesday, Kristen, yeah, you're off, but it's TBD. TBD determined because- There was a lot of TBD. Let's say Tuesday, some crazy conversation happens and I'm not there or you're not there, but it includes you.

So then they're like, oh shit, Jack's actually, we need you 10 a.m. Wednesday. Yes, that happened all the time. So that's kind of, you guys, what like the call sheet looks like. It was a very vague call sheet. It was very like, just rough, like we might need you at three, we might need you at four, thirty, be ready at this time, this time we go to a club at six o'clock, because mind you, they have to get approval from all these places. So when you see us going to like restaurants, whatever, we're not just showing up there. The production team has to get approval from all these places ahead of time.

So it's all planned, you know, but like she said, if there was an argument on Tuesday, they might say, you know what, we're going to skip the scene tomorrow because there's an argument that happened that we have to get on scene with two other people. So it would change, and obviously our group had changed all the time because people were always arguing and fighting and things would be,

were always a rise. Yes. And then for pickup scenes, which it to tag on to literally what you just said, for pickup scenes, that's mostly for you guys. It's not that it's fake. It's just that once they're in the editing process and they're like, oh shit, well, we missed that conversation

that you had. You guys had this, like basically it would be kind of on us, like, wait, you had a phone call conversation, we didn't film it. It's like a gap in the story, right? A gap in the story. Sometimes it would be like, it would jump from one scene to another scene

and there was no in the middle and they needed that middle part. So sometimes they'd be like, hey, we need you to go out to breakfast and build how you got to that next scene sometimes. But yeah, they were basically just, a connector piece is basically connecting the dots. Yes.

Or if they didn't get the good footage enough or something wasn't set or, yeah, it was just little things here and there. Those were kind of annoying. Just poor drink with thrown off camera. Yeah, or they hear something. Production always hear something that wasn't on film, that they needed on film, or something didn't make sense, like how we got to from point A to point B, sometimes it wouldn't add up, so they would have to build a scene

to make where it made sense. Well, so speaking of point A to point B, we have a question from Ali, she says, how do they film in a car? Did he go pros? Yeah, go pros, guys. Go pros, yeah. It's not like in the ad.

Sometimes you have an audio guy in your back seat, sometimes. Yeah, yeah, Mike Snow would always be in the back. We had a Jeep on thing, so he'd always be in the back. We had a Jeep on thing. So he'd always be in the back with his big pack. But unlike the movie industry where they're on a trailer, we are actually driving. So we have GoPro's which so if there was a driving scene, say for instance, I was driving to Christens at 12 o'clock to go have lunch, they would come at nine o'clock and set up in my car. They would put like three or four

GoPro's in there. I would test it out, drive around the block and they'd be like, okay, good to go. And then I would go shoot shoot my scene the only thing that sucked about car scenes Season one when we drove to Vegas. Oh that Vegas. We drove to Vegas and you guys we cannot listen to music in the car Oh, yeah, that's oh no, no, no, no, no, let me back up a little bit back up So the worst car scene that I ever have you you don't mind me taking over this, was when I proposed to Brittany. So this was the worst car scene of all time. So mind you, I decided to propose to my wife in Malibu at Neptune's net on a Friday afternoon.

So mind you, the traffic in LA is horrendous. Hurendous. I decided to do this in a hundred degree heat in Malibu at Neptune's Net, which is easily without traffic, about a 45 to an hour drive without traffic. So, mind you, with traffic on a Friday afternoon, it's about two hours. So, we get in Uber, the Uber, the woman did not speak English. We were not allowed to have air conditioning,

and we were not allowed to have music. So, mind you, and I had super tight pants on. I remember I had my wedding ring was jabbed into my nut sack. The wedding ring box was like bigger than it was like a shoe box for some reason. And I had wedged into my pants. I'm trying to make small talk on a two hour drive without music in the poor Uber driver. I think she was from Russia or something. I'm not quite sure, but she didn't talk.

Nobody was talking. It was the worst experience of my life. And then you finally get there, I think the production van caught on fire that day too. It was just, it was, it was such a terrible. As soon as I got there, I ran to the bathroom. I had to go to the bathroom so bad. My ring was lodged in places that I don't want to talk about. And it was just, it was crazy. I mean, it all, it ended up all being well, but that was the worst car ride experience of my entire life. Air conditionings too loud, can't have music

because we can't clear it. Yeah, that's an emergency. The horse drives are fine, the long drives, not so much. No, no, no, no, no, no. Just the machine is good as gold on repeat. And then you guys. Oh my god, that would be worse. That would be worse, yeah.

OK, Brooke wants to know, Luke, this is for you, and then for Jackson's wall, but for Luke, knowing the Vanderpump rules cast through me, who has surprised you the most since watching, and then for Luke's well, but for Luke knowing the Vanderprung rules cast through me Who has surprised you the most since watching and then for Luke and Jack? Well mostly for Jackson Who do you think has changed the most since season one? So Luke who has surprised you the most that's tough because I haven't really gotten to know a lot of the casts on a Deeper personal level so I don't know them that well. Just just recently in the like month or two really getting to know Jack's better. I think she knows. She knows. She's in one. She knows season one is nothing like she knows season now. Yeah kind of. That's my opinion but what do you think? I'm just curious. I'm I'm that's it. I wouldn't expect that answer. So what do you think has changed? With Sheena? Yeah.

Number one, just, I mean, I granted the way we all dressed back then because it was the way that it was and the makeup and the hair and just like the pop star with the studio. And she knows like kind of cheesy back then. And now she's not. She was like a child. She was like a father to me that she had the Vanderpump Rolls license plate on her car.

Oh my God, yes. I love you, Sheena, but I hated that fucking license plate. She had her license plate. She knows we all made fun of that. Yeah, it's a pump RLZ and then she had like crystals around it. So actually, what surprised me the most? I guess what we identified the least with was one how little SantaVall was involved in season one.

And he just seemed like the nice supportive boyfriend that painted his nails, shaved his forehead, and you know straighten his hair and did all that stuff. I gotta say he was, he was good on TV. He portrays a lot different than he is in real life. Yes.

He wants the world to think that he's the best person in the world, that he's the nicest guy that he helps everybody out. Yeah. That's not who he is. He doesn't want anybody to talk about his relationship as you can see why. But he was very like, look at me,

look what I'm doing for everybody, and everybody be like, wow, how come you don't like Tom, he does so much for you, and it just irked me because it's like, that's just not. I agree, because something Tom's really good at is being like, like something like this jack

So I don't know like what are you doing later like are you and you're like oh? I'm gonna go golfing and I gotta get my hair couldn't go golfing and he would immediately be like oh So I got my haircut the other day Yeah, you guess what and then talk about his haircut for like 14 hours and then high school wrestling He did that to me the last time I saw him which is at at at at Willoughine's house. I haven't seen the guy in almost two years. This is when he brought Rachel to the party, right? I had a baby. I don't know if anybody knows that or not. I had a baby, right? Hey Tom, how you doing? I'm good. The band's doing this. And I'm like, I, oh, cool, dude, I had a baby. Oh, that's cool. Yeah,

the band's my drummers here. And like, the fuck up about your fucking band? Like, I had a baby, oh that's cool. Yeah, the band's my drummers here. And like, don't shut the fuck up about your fucking band. Like I had a child, real life things. He always brought, and I'm not just, this is not just a, this sounds like I'm just going after Tom, but this is one of the things he did. He did. He, you know, he would always bring it back to him on a very selfish, very unaware,

not really interested in what other people say he would pretend to be, but then we would have to listen to his garbage, you know. And it's just like, you want us to be, but then we would have to listen to his garbage. It's just like, you want us to listen, but if we say something about ourselves, you want nothing to do with it. He just would find a way to make it about him. Whatever it was, it could be anything.

I had to go paint my nails. The most stuff that nobody cares about, and I'd be like, oh, that's cool, I had a baby. Yeah, you're like, oh yeah, I went to the car wash and he's like, oh, you got a white Jeep, right? I just got my nails painted white. Yeah, wait, what the fuck? You turn it around always about him.

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taste buds, your whole spirit will thank you for taking this first healthy step. Luke, who did you find it difficult to watch and relate to? I know what you're gonna say. Yeah you do. Stasi. Yes, Stasi. I mean in you're gonna say. Yeah, you do. Stasi. Yeah, Stasi. And season one. And season one, season one, Stasi. I don't personally know her. When we say get that out there,

I don't know her at all personally. And in season one, she's annoyed the live and shit out of me. Because she was the princess. She was 23, the princess. She's better than everybody. Yeah, she's better than everybody. All this stuff, and I'm like, was 100% on your side, Jack's with the whole thing.

Even when it came out at the end, I still felt like- Did not feel bad for her first thing. The way that she handled things and the fact that they didn't emphasize this enough, which they should have. Kristen called out at the same time. That she was sleeping with Frank before you guys even split.

And that's why they started dating immediately and it's just like, why was that not brought up more because they wanted her to seem like this perfect princess? Like, nobody else could do anything wrong in the for a long time. I mean, no matter what I did, it trumped everything. It just no matter what. I mean, I could cross the street without looking and I would just, they would talk about that for like three episodes.

It was just, it was so, it was so, it's so, it's so, it's like no matter what I did, it just trumped everybody. It reminds you, all the stuff that Tom was doing, it's been going on for years. It just, I feel like, and I'm not trying to to my own horror, but I feel like what I did just overshadowed everything. And it was exhausting. It was like, Jesus, everybody is doing exactly

what I'm doing. Why am I being singled out, not saying that I'm better than anybody else, but can we just take a break and realize that Tom and Tom are doing the same fucking thing? Yeah, like, you know? Hey, a good show needs a strong villain, and I think you were the stronger villain.

It's a terrible villain. I don't mind being a villain, but for nine fucking years. I couldn't even like, it you know, hey a good show needs a strong villain and I think you were the stronger villain It's okay. I don't want to be in a villain, but for nine fucking years I couldn't even like it's like even when I try to do good. I feel like I was so pigeonholed In that character in that villain, you know, that's that's who I was gonna be and that's what they were gonna ride on And then again, I'm no disrespect to to producers and all that That's the whole that I dug but it just it was a bit exhausting where it's like, no matter what I did, no matter even when I tried to do something good, and whatever, it just was like, nah, we're not gonna put that in,

and we're not gonna add that in. You know, I don't know if anybody knows that I donated money for my sister-in-law to have a baby, and I helped build houses for homeless, like it was never put in. Like they would cut any scene out that I was doing actually positive things with my life, or positive things for other people.

They didn't give a shit. They just wanted to see me go to town and act like a tornado. Which is good TV. It is, I get it, I understand. But just from my point of view, it's just kind of sucked. With this, to continue this conversation,

the Kerry Girls, they want to be called out, Kerry Girls for Michigan, who was the most misrepresented by editing. Season one. Or in general. That's stuff. Right before we get to that, though, Jack's like I say, like, kudos to you for breaking the cycle.

It's so hard for people to break the cycle and what you said about you backing out voluntarily from Vanderpump to focus on family. That's a big thing. That's not easy. It was easy because like I said, I haven't been walking away from a paycheck like that. Yeah, and that's the key right there is,

I have a mortgage, I got a son on the way. Like now I'm like, okay, is this the right decision? I'm like, I mean, they're gonna lose my wife and lose my child, I'm gonna lose my house. I like, what am I gonna do here? Because it's gonna be one of the other. And I'm like, I'd rather lose my house and lose my wife. So, you know, so be it. So, you know, so I didn't have a choice.

I didn't have a choice. Like, it was getting, like, I knew where it was going. I knew where it was going. And it was just like, I just have to, we have to step back a little bit and kind of, you know, reassess the situation and recharge the batteries. I knew that I wasn't done with TV. I knew I wasn't done with TV.

Yeah. I'm made to do this. This is what I'm made to do. And I'm good at it. So, I knew there was going to be other avenues, somewhere down the line. I know, I'm made to do this. This is what I'm made to do and I'm good at it. So I knew there was gonna be other avenues, somewhere down the line. I said, let's just take a break. Let's take a breath.

We're okay financially for a while. You know, we'll readress this in a little bit, but let's just take a break here and kind of just get back into our marriage a little bit, kind of just figure each other out. Because like I said, we really never not been together, not on the show. So.

A hundred percent. And we kind of did this start over a little bit. You met not been together, not on the show. So. 100%. You met in May. Vegas on the show. And then she moved here in July. Yeah. Kentucky and started filming. And then your entire relationship was filming.

Yeah. She knew anything. She knows nothing different, you know, up until the last two years. So it was a nice, it was a, well, it was the right choice. You like to offer sure, yeah. Yeah, so for me, I don't think anyone on season one was misrepresented by editing really, except I agree with Jack's, let the Tom Sann of all thing Luke,

now hearing your perspective about how he just seemed like so nice and so great and blah, blah, blah. Well, he was, he wasn't even, I mean, obviously, season one was very much jacks and saucy, and like YouTube were the two main characters. And so you didn't see much of these other people. So the only two people I feel like that could have been heavily misrepresented are you and saucy. And from what you're saying, I mean, what you said to begin this podcast is that

this was chaos that's already going on. You guys weren't produced, so they didn't really have a chance to misrepresent anybody in season one. Correct. Yeah, I agree with that. Yeah. Yeah, I wasn't misrepresenting. I don't think at all. Yeah, I think season one we were pretty, yeah. Okay, this was a question, this goes back to the Vegas, chunking its sweater ripping off. When Luke and I recapped this podcast, that episode, Luke swears that Schwartz ripped his shirt off and I said I know that he didn't. It was Jack's, Frank and Tom Sannovall for some reason. I think Tom was like on mushrooms or something, so he just took his shirt off. All of them. I'm wrong. Okay. Yes. Yeah. I don't

know. I don't even know this for sure, but I that's not a Tom Schwartz book. He would never do that. And the question was for Morgan and she said, did I prove to Luke that I was right in Schwartz did not take a shirt off in Vegas because they were so confused like they don't remember that. You know all the shirts just came off of them. Why are so many shirts guys? You know, I thought it was not getting show off. No, I agree with you with the Santa Valk.

Santa Valk was on something at the time. I'm a very alpha male. It was an alpha male versus alpha male. So it's like what's the first thing that two alpha males do? Rip their fucking shirts off. Yeah, that's what you do, you know, so Yeah, and I think Just randomly. Yeah, exactly

Why is the guy down the street work rip at a shirt off with his acid wash jeans And he's just like randomly running around the parking lot by himself It's almost like what are you doing? It's almost like if we got a fight and like the food stand guy ripped a shirt off It was like I'm sorry. Why are you ripping your shirt off? This does not concern you. I don't know. It seems like the right thing to do. Exactly. That's exactly what it was. Okay. Last question from Lillian. She wants to talk about the opening credits and the way that we film those opening the slow-mo credits and the photo that we do at the end and then I'm going to address she asks me.

There's someone she thought it was my back that was shown for almost every season. It was actually Katie's back and not mine. She asked if we receive residuals for that. I said absolutely not. There is absolutely no residuals in reality TV whatsoever. Nope. Just talking about the opening credits and filming those, you guys. It's actually...

It's a long, fricking day. It's actually really difficult because you have to move very quickly on camera while they're shooting it in slow motion. Mind you too, we do this at the very end of the season and there's a hundred people inside serve. And mind you, not just a hundred people, cameras, extras, catering, clothing, racks of clothing, there's all types of shit going on.

And it's like we start at what? Six or seven in the morning and you go to nine o'clock and night, everyone's all types of shit going on and it's like we start at what six or seven in the morning and you go to nine o'clock at night, everyone's fucking exhausted. So tired. You're like, when's my, because we shoot the photo at the very end, which is like the worst fucking part. Oh, it's the worst. Even if you're the first one to do your slow mocha, you then have to sit there until the end of the day. Yeah. To do the photo where we all sit very still and Lisa moves very briefly. And I remember like in the shitty seasons, well the season one, it was just the core cast.

And then seasons after that, there were like 42 people in the photo in the chat. And we're gonna go ahead and throw the cook from Sir. Yeah, you make the chicken figures, go ahead and get in here. You shot your face one time, throw them in here. I'm not just washing. There was one season that someone sent, someone like I DM'd or emailed like and put an arrow

on like one of the guys in the photo and I was like, I have no idea who that is. Literally, literally, I don't know what they were thinking. They would literally just throw people in that made no sense. I was just like, who is this person? Like literally, they would throw the dishwasher in there. You're like, what is he doing in here?

You know, it's like, to the only worker for a day. what is he doing in here? You know what I'm saying? Did he only work there for a day? I know, I don't know what they were thinking with that, but it got, it was just really tiring. That picture is is grueling. Yeah, the picture is like the worst part. He's swam all the stuff in the house. Like you can get it done in three or four takes. It's good, but the picture is a pain in the ass.

And the lights are so hot and you're literally having to stand still and the guys are wearing like button downs and sweating. Yeah, and you can't and then you gotta change and then you gotta have lunch and you gotta take your clothes off and put them back. It's just it's I'm complaining about stupid shit that I shouldn't complain about because we're very blessed but it is for sure. It is a lot of but this is the question. What is that day like that day?

It's a hot day. We dread that day. I mean the whole season and the reunion day or like the two most dreaded days. Yeah, yeah. We literally after yeah after reunions like everyone goes on vacation. Yes. Yeah, and get drunk. Yeah. That's it.

Shocker. And that's it, ladies and gentlemen, that is Jack's Taylor on the finale. Thank you so much for having me. I like doing this. I love wrapping these up. This is fun. We'll have you on some more because we're going to keep on going through all the seasons, although I am going gonna skip some parts

due to my therapist recommending that they're not good for me. So. Yeah, mental health is number one. It'll be some, that's about 75% of the show. Exactly. I'm here to talk to about everybody else. Exactly, I love it.

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I think I blocked pretty much everybody that follows me at one point or another, but yeah, you know, we go through, that's how you hurt people in this moment in your age. You're blocked people. You don't get mad at them anymore. You just block people. The other day, Zach Wickham was like, what? Jack's, why did you just start following me? I didn't even know that you blocked me.

You're like, oops, sorry, my bad. I didn't even mean to. You blocked me before we've ever even had a conversation. He's like, oh, Kristen's boyfriend blocked. You're guilty by association. Exactly. That block by Jack's sweatshirt is spot on. Yes. So but everyone check out their merch. It's amazing. There's a Kentucky muffin blocked by Jack's

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