Sex, Love, and What Else Matters - VPR From the Start S2 E13 & E14

Episode Date: December 3, 2023

Episode 79. In this episode of the Vanderpump Rules recaps, Kristen is joined by the one and only Scheana Shay. They start by discussing Kristen’s miscarriage and Scheana opens up about what it was like when she went through it as well a few years ago. Scheana shares a beautiful message that helped her cope and they are both very hopeful for the future. Next, they jump into the recaps of two very difficult episodes to watch back – Season 2 Episode 13 “Bitch Slap”…. Heard around the world and Episode 14 “I lied.” They’re spilling the tea on what it was like filming these episodes and some events that took place behind the scenes with no cameras around. Tune in now! Sponsors: Get started with EveryPlate for just $1.49 per meal PLUS $1 steaks for life by going to EveryPlate.com/podcast and entering code 49doute Download the DraftKings Casino app NOW, sign up with promo code DOUTE, and new customers get a deposit match up to ONE HUNDRED DOLLARS in casino credits when you deposit $5 or more! For listeners of the show, Dipsea is offering an extended 30 day free trial when you go to DipseaStories.com/KRISTEN Follow us: @kristendoute @luke__broderick Email us: [e-mail] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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A season two episodes of 13 and 14. Luke will not be joining me today because why would he? You know that laugh. Literally. Literally. Like watching this back. I skipped what was it 12? I skipped I went straight to 13. Mm-hmm. Yeah, I didn't need to watch myself get an engage to the first time again without that last episode. Yeah, it was. It was. Oh, so you guys know the voice. You doesn't even need an introduction. You know that last you know that voice. Thank God for sheena. That's all I'm gonna say right now for coming through last minute. I love you. Thank you. So a couple things just off the bat. First thing about doing this episode, episodes,

we're gonna just wrap up this season because they don't need an episode each. Luke was going to pull through for me and just get this shit done because as you guys know, we've just had like kind of a shitty week. He got to six minutes and 45 seconds of episode 13. 12, whatever episode we're on. He got through six minutes and 45 seconds of episode 13, 12, whatever episode we're on. He got through six minutes and 45 seconds because we're both sharing my prime right now

because why would he download Vanderbilt Browse? I just happened to have it. And he was, I got a text that was just like, I'm going to leave it at, he was not, he was not feeling it. And Sheena has been reaching out to both Luke and I very graciously Because of what we've been dealing with going through. I don't even know what to fucking say and Was just like if you need me to help it anyway like in life and friendship and if you need help with the podcast Like whatever you guys need right now, so she in first and foremost I definitely would love nothing more and I think the listeners I don't know, okay. Based on all the emails that we're getting for everybody

that are really appreciating talking about miscarriage and which I said this week, which will air actually right now as we're talking, like, I hate that word. I've learned to hate that word, but I said on my podcast with Luke, like, I don't want to, I'm not like going to change.org to like change the verbiage of the word miscarriage, but it does. I had someone write to me saying that they didn't like that term because it insinuates that you miscarried something like it was as a woman's fault.

And I, I really felt that because it, I want to just reiterate, well, my dog barks really loud, that it isn't anyone's fault, as you know. Yeah. Because you went through it as well. And now you have this beautiful, amazing, brilliant, gorgeous child. Yeah, and that's the thing is that you didn't do anything wrong. Anyone who's had a miscarriage,

it's not something you did wrong. So that word is hard to say and accept because it wasn't our faults. You know, it was a pregnancy loss. Somehow the word viable and unviable have become like really necessary in my vocabulary because I like it better than like, even though it is a loss, it's a really shit. It feels beyond that. But it's like the word unviable just meant like, there was something so out of our control that these cells could not become a healthy growing baby. Like so out of our control

that that somehow just brings a little bit of peace. And also what should bring you eventually, you know, a little bit of peace, which definitely did with me. And I was so fortunate to shortly after get pregnant with summer and have a successful pregnancy and have my amazing rainbow baby. You know, it makes it make sense somehow. But also, it shows that our bodies can get pregnant with my AMH levels at

your age, you know, like we did something right. It just wasn't completely the right time for this baby. And I like to tell myself, you know, if we have another, I hope that baby comes back to me because it never goes away, you know. And I saw something that I didn't know if it was gonna be too soon to send to you But I'm I'm going to someone just send it to me recently and it was this Instagram reel about how No matter if it's a Miscarriage technically and abortion a full pregnancy a stillborn in whatever way, those cells always live inside of you. Like that baby is always going to be a part of you.

And I have convinced myself that if I am blessed in whatever way via surrogate or, you know, however to have another baby, I hope that baby does come back to me, but it wasn't, and I convinced it was a boy. It wasn't his time, and he needed to pave the way for Miss Summer Moon to be here. And when you get your rainbow baby, it just makes it make a little bit of sense, where you're like, you can't imagine your world without this baby. I can't imagine my world without my little sister. She's my mom's rainbow baby. And as hard as losing a baby is, it's just you got to believe, you know, if you do in God and just know that there's a plan and you are going gonna get your rainbow baby and it's all going to be

Perfect at the perfect time and it's just the hardest journey I remember you telling me like how it just all made sense, but you couldn't Like you could not communicate to anyone else how it all made sense But just to you it did and that's really what I am realizing now because how could before, but realizing how that somehow makes sense. That was the only way I got through it. I was just like, I know that the next baby I have would not be here if this didn't happen. And summer's big brother up in heaven needed to show me that I wanted a baby,

that I could get pregnant. And you know, I mean, it was at a time when I'm six months in a new relationship. We're in the middle of a pandemic. The whole world is shut down. It was not a time that I'm like, I should bring a baby into this world. It was very unplanned. It was the most amazing surprise in my life and then taken from me so soon that I'm like, why? And then the day Summer Moon took her first breath, even though it took a full minute, it was terrifying. I know you really haven't had it to see it like at all. No, but now I have the most perfect child that I could not imagine my world without.

And hopefully in some way her brother comes back to us, but I know it just wasn't his time and it wasn't time for this baby for you, but it's going to happen. Yeah, and that's what I love about, like having a great doctor, like as I'm so lucky to know that all of my friends like you Stoss while up Britney like everyone that gave birth just like I think I didn't know the magnitude

Emotionally of like having a doctor that you love the way you have all talked about your doctors that you love But the way he was wording things to me very factually, but with the most amazing bedside manner and just bedside manner and really just drilling into both mine and Luke's heads that whatever, you know, God is what I believe in or whatever it is you believe in like want you to have healthy pregnancy. If it's not going to be one, that's why this is happening. And so to drill that into your own brain, rather than the, what if what if what if what if what could I've done, what did I do or like why or all these fucking who what where when why questions, it's just going, that's when you gotta just give grace

to the universe and go, there, there's no rhyme or reason. Yeah. And it's the easiest thing to blame yourself. I was like, oh my God, could it have been that sushi roll I had? Oh my God, I went on a boat, was I moving around too much? Was it the, my doctor was like, there's nothing, you did wrong. What if I was vaping and I didn't know I was pregnant? Like, what? Yeah, what?

And then the amount of friends that I've talked to in and inside and outside of our group of friends that have been like I Didn't find out till I was like seven or eight weeks and drink a bottle of wine the night before Whatever there are some other things. I want to say but I want to save that for you and I but thank you Of course it's it's then I said it was hard to reach out to like anyone about because if I, it was like I'm the me and me, it's like if I didn't get it any kind of response to anyone about whether I was pregnant or like then we lost it. Now I know why people don't tell everyone that early, but it was very exciting.

I know, but like I told you, when I said this on my podcast this week as well, I don't think any women should ever feel shame or regret in telling people early. The day that I got a positive pregnancy test, I wanted to tell the world. But at the time, I was like, you know, we don't need a blast, it just, yeah, let's find the right way to announce it. And we can keep it for a minute.

Now, yeah, but I did tell a handful of people, and then, you know, unfortunately, I had to tell a handful of people when I got you know, unfortunately, I had to tell a handful of people when I got really bad news, but then I had that support. And then the second time around when I was pregnant with summer, I knew from the day it happened. I literally, after we had sex that morning in our house in San Diego and christened it, I was like, you just got me pregnant.

And it was the biggest mind fuck for three weeks where I'm sober. I'm treating myself as if I'm pregnant, but I don't know if I'm pregnant, but I'm waiting to miss my period. And I'm just like telling everyone, I'm like, I don't know, it might be, it might not be.

And then I found out I was. And I'm like, I'm still going to tell people and be like, you know what it is early. And obviously, the worst happened last time, but just pray for me. You know, how many people do know? How long after like your actual, or lack of a better word, miscarriage,

that you actually found out the day of. Dr. told me after I had the DNC procedure, because that was the route I had to go, that that, which also I wanna touch on that because in, sorry, didn't rough to you, but like in our podcast, we talked about how like Luke didn't want me to have to go. That that which also I want to touch on that because in sorry didn't rough to you but like in in our podcast we talked about how like Luke didn't want me to have to go that route. I didn't want to have to go that route because I was honest on the podcast and I've had

an abortion before. It's a very DNC is a very traumatic experience to go through. So I was trying to not go that route. However, I will say even with me my doctor, we can go the route of the medication. However, there is a possibility we still might have to do it, and see after the medication. So it's really up to me to choose to kind of weigh those options and go, am I ready and willing to have to do both? Because it's a body and it's whatever that body needs in that moment.

So sometimes it is a choice, which it's not a bad choice to make. It was just something I'd already gone through and didn't wanna do again, if need be. But it's all so. I would never want to go through that again. It was the most painful thing my body has ever experienced physically.

But something about that procedure, and I think after freezing my eggs twice that year and the year before Something about that just kind of woke up my body and he said the best chance for a healthy baby was to wait have one Period one ovulation cycle and immediately try again and at the time it was like I barely know this guy You know like again, we've only been together half a year. We're in a few down years. That's so wild. It's like your husband. It's literally your husband with your almost three or your two and a half, almost three year old though. You're like, I barely know this guy.

But it's not, it was just like, no, like let's wait and see if the show comes back, if the gyms open back open. And um, are we saying, are we financially sound? Are we like, do we have our brains together? Yeah, so it was not the right time, but we were very new in a relationship. We were still in that honeymoon phase where we were having a lot of sex multiple times a week. And the day we moved into our house in San Diego and we christened it that morning

and then I was, I'm literally TMI, but I'm'm on top and then it was like oh I was like you just got me pregnant didn't you it wasn't even it wasn't even full it was like a half and it was just like that's super sperm was like we making a baby we doing it then we did it so it's their me cute yeah this for it's for your egg, me cute. Oh my gosh, I love all this happy talk before we have talked about this trash that we went through 10 years ago. I mean, like, do you, you do this weekly?

You like to torture yourself, I know. I know, I know. It was like a fan. That's a fan-ass. It was a fan-ass. I don't even have hair on my arms or legs that I lay on my entire body. But But like the hairs that are left on my arms were like standing up. I had my heart was racing. I had so much anxiety. Brock is like, I don't know what the fuck show this is, but like, I don't want to be a part of this.

This is intense. That's how we all felt too, Brock. During that time, we all kind of thought that. Oh my god. Oh my God, it was just so many old feels and then just like I remembered things so vividly and then I forgot things. Okay, I love that you said that because it was one of the first things I was gonna ask you before we even just get through the shit show was number one, when season two aired,

which was forever ago, like did you watch all of season two and have you seen any of it since 10 years ago? Which I'm sure you did watch it then, because you were great at your job. We're like, I've talked about many times how Jackson's like the poster boy for, I don't watch the episodes, and I used to think he was a liar, and now I fully believe him.

I was like, of course he doesn't, or didn't back then, right? And I watched every episode, I've been about with you. Because of this season, as I've been watching it or festporting through it, I'm like, you'll see in this episode, I'm like, I don't remember that at all.

And other things, I'm like, oh, fuck it, it's like it was yesterday. Yeah. So I'm doing this for the fans, that's it. And we're gonna get through this without a total play by play because I think it's very unnecessary and weird as shit. And I also wanna start off by saying

that I'm not here at all whatsoever to discuss. Jack's the details everyone watched it. If you didn't watch it, go back. It's on P-Cock and Prime and all the places you can watch it. That's not what we're here for. It's more of just like, remember 10 years ago, kind of a vibe and we're gonna like skate right through this. Jackson's a married man, married to one of our best friends.

He has a beautiful child. He doesn't need to like go through the ringer one more time, 10 years ago, because I decided to do a podcast. That's that. So yeah, it really is just like my day of reckoning. Really? Watching that back. Oh my gosh.

And the fact that it was like set up as like a fake engagement party to get you there for Stasi to confront you. And it was just all the like gross, I feel bad that I was a part of the feelings. It was just like, oh my god. I, oh, you're so young back then. Like we all look so different. We had statement knuckles is that like we're the size of our shoulders. What was that? Like when people are like, do you have any regrets from the show? Oh my, the statement knuckles says. It was so was so intense then though. We were so entrenched. It was.

You, especially, looking back, and I didn't feel this way then, but looking back now, I feel that you and Stasi were the most entrenched as to what was entrenched back in the day. Because you were born in race in LA though, you were acting. You knew how to do your makeup by yourself. Like I didn't wear mascara until I was like 24.

Like when I moved to LA, I was like, I don't know, clearly you can watch in my interview bites. I don't know what, I was skinny, that's all I had going for me. I was like skinny in tan. I was like, cut my hair, whatever. I like didn't want to make up, I didn't have Botox. I was like, cut my hair. Whatever. I like, didn't want to make up. I didn't have Botox.

I'm like, what is, what's the jewelry? What is that dress? Like, what's happening with me right now? So funny. See, that was one thing I always did is I got Botox from before the show ever started. I think when we shot our pilot, I didn't have Botox. So there's a couple, he's 2011.

So there's like a couple scenes where my forehead moves, but I remember when the show got picked up, I was like, you're going to get Botox because I remembered watching the Kardashians from the first season and then seeing people say, you know, like, oh, now Kim's had Work Done and it was like just Botox at the time. And I'm like, I don't ever want someone to be able to say, like, oh, now Kim's had work done. And it was like, just Botox at the time. And I'm like, I don't ever want someone

to be able to say like, oh, now she's getting work done. It's like, oh, no, I've had that since I've always been on the show since episode one, my forehead has been Botox. That is one thing I have been very consistent other than season nine because I couldn't, because I was breastfeeding. But yeah, I had Botox from day one. I did not want to see any forehead wrinkles on TV.

I mean, everybody says that collectively the women, we all look better now, which is so wild to me. Like wait, what? Like I'm 40. Y'all are all in your 30s. I'm the oldest girl. I own it. And the fact that everyone is like, you guys all look so much better now. I'm like, Oh my God. Do we just have a figure out? Yeah. I think we get better looking with age.

We get better makeup. We know our angles. We have face app. God bless face app. You guys can hate me all you want. You're like, she's using a filter. Yeah. Whatever. Yeah, I did. Whatever. Yeah.

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You said this just a few minutes ago. And for the recaps, we're only season one, season two, but it was like your birthday. And then the bitch slap hurt around the world was like a semi, yeah, like an engagement get together. And then your actual engagement party where this all ended in the finale, it was like, you couldn't catch a break. And then the way season three starts, it was just like every part of it. Thank you for helping start

Vanderpump rules. You know, it just became one of those things where it was just like a right of passage every season to have a party of mine ruined for everyone's entertainment. You just started accepting it. After your first wedding, you were just like, this is this is how it is. This is so tough. Yeah, I feel like I've been one of the more consistent people on this show who's unfortunately been in the middle and likes to live in the gray. And for that, I'm kind of always friends with everyone.

So when I have an event, there's gonna be people there who live in the black and white, come into the gray party. And that usually starts a fight. So I'm just trying to stay consistent. You know, you're doing a very good job, sweetie. Oh my gosh. In Vanderpump rule, season 11, by the way, guys,

we're talking about season two. In season 11, just came out that it's airing in January. The gift that keeps on giving, happy new year. And then there might be this other show that follows. We'll see what happens. Yeah. We'll see what follows you guys this season. Because there's always like a good, it's always like a good new show.

I remember when summer house, the first time summer house aired, they kind of did the Vander, the housewives, the Vanderpump situation. Yeah. Like Vanderpump's always used in some way to introduce a new show. So dying to know what show that'll be this year. I don't think it's going to be a below deck. I think they have a lot of below decks. I think they're good. I would go see a below deck crossover though. Like no shit. What you want to go on a yacht? It'd be like an ultimate girls trip. That's not a housewife, but it's an ultimate girls

trip on a below deck yacht. Hell yeah. Where would you want to go? Oh, anywhere with crystal clear waters. Yeah, like let's go around the Zeeland or something, go around Bali. Okay, guys, we're putting it on to the universe, all of the gods that are listening. That's what we want. All right, episode 13, bitch slap is what it's called. And as everyone refers to it, the bitch slap heard around the world. And the only reason that I feel even slightly comfortable discussing this quickly is because Nostasia Bianca herself did use this as a meme on her podcast tour, the meme of like her slapping me.

And I'll just answer the question that everyone wants to know now. Why did she slap me? What did I say? Nostasia said, not going to tell you guys, and my answer is not gonna tell you guys. So there's one thing I've learned. Something needs to, some things need to go to the grave and that is something that will go to the grave. Yeah, sorry guys. I was like filling in Brock on like all the details of that night and he was just like, oh my. I was like, Brock, he's like, I'm going to go get, he's going to go get treatment right now. I was like, I'm going to go talk about this.

And then I mean, Brock, he's like, he's like, why is Kristen doing this to herself? Well, you give the people what they really is, it really is what it is. And I thought it was going to be easier. It hasn't been that difficult until the season. So through season one, I was fine. It's an out-of-body experience. I'm kind of outside of myself because I say this a lot,

but I don't know that girl. That girl can't sit with us, that Kristen. She's not invited. She victimized herself a whole lot. I think that I was hurting a lot through my earlier seasons, but I also was just so like the world's so against me. No one understands Kristen.

Oh my God, it's exhausting. So I just like that I'm a better person now. You got the right amount of yarn. Yeah. So basically what happened guys is that, which here's one of the little tidbits that I actually did not know, do not remember until this day, like I don't think I realized this.

So the giant elephant in the room is what happened with Jackson and I that caused the bitch slap, that caused the crazy finale, right? I did not realize until rewatching this, that Lisa was the one who got it out of Jack's off camera. And I'm also shocked that like, you know what I'm talking about that man. Like no one filmed it with their iPhones,

but maybe it was so long ago, we didn't have Instagram then. I don't even know if those iPhones had cameras on them. I don't know, we're talking on iPhone one day. Yeah. Shossing I started the show with blackberries. It was literally like iPhone one days. Yeah.

My very first Instagram post was like a picture of Katie and I at like some Vegas hotel with like that weird, yellowy, warm, saturated filter. Oh my God. They're so good. They're so good. They're so good. Right before this.

And then I don't think I really posted much after that. So that's how long it goes. Maybe it was like iPhone three, but whatever it was. Whatever it was called. It was a shit camera if it had a camera. And I just remember it's tossing. I were the last to join team iPhone. We were so team blackberry.

And then they do, it was like, I'm switching. I'm doing it. And I'm like, who am I going to talk to on BBM? That was a shit. I had all of my different categories. I remember I had like my LA boys with like a Z and I thought I was so cool. Like why wouldn't they bring back her motor?

Shouldn't they bring back the Blackberry? I feel like people would buy it just for nostalgia. Totally, just like the, I always wanted a sidekick but I didn't have team mobile. I had Verizon. So I could never get a sidekick, but I feel like I heard that came back for some reason. I don't know.

Everyone fell asleep if this is true. We need to know because I'm not in with the new news very well. So yeah, so basically that's what I realized found out is that Stasi Kristina Kelly, Katie we're talking about, quote unquote last night, and apparently Lisa had asked Jacks and he said yes, I don't remember any of this. I'm not going through the details. Except when Stasi said that she wanted to give me a dildo wrapped in acid as a present. So I just want to shout out the good old Stasi lines. Yeah, watching that was such a throwback too. I was hearing some of the things she said

and I was like, whoop, how much I forgot how sharp the tongue was before she had Oh, yeah. Yeah. But season season two like at this time was when Stossie and I were really close. Yes. So here I am laughing at the sharp tongue because it's not being directed to me You're like God this is really nice. Yeah, I was like, oh, that's a that's a throwback Yeah, and what was funny and Luke and I have talked about this a lot on vpr because he's never watched it like vpr When we're doing these recaps. But what is funny to me is, number one, how great the show was because how authentic it was, but it was also super chaotic and messy as far as the editing was concerned, but in

a way that felt more real. If that makes sense, it sounds like I'm knocking it, but I'm not. But it was like, and now there are people are busing tables, and then now there are Katie's apartment. And now there are, well, you could never film the outside of yours, right? We filmed on the inside.

Yeah. Because of the whole hill thing. So the places the exteriors were different. And that was just kind of like a safety thing. Yeah. different and that was just kind of like a safety experience thing. Yeah, but yeah, there was I think maybe even one season, one or two seasons where it was either Jackson, Brittany, or like other people who were on the show who all lived in the same complexes I did, but we had different exteriors because they had to just protect where we lived and it was

a very recognizable building if you lived in that area. Yeah we lived and it was a very recognizable building if you lived in that area. Yeah, I know it was like, Oh, that's what your outside building looks like. It's nicer than mine. In season one, they showed the outside of what we now have infamously called 551, which is the old apartment that I live with,

sand ball jack, Schwartz, Ariana Live there, like Jeremy Maddox Live, it's just like a fucking revolving door. which is the old apartment that I live with, sand ball jack, shworks, are you on a live there? Like Jeremy Maddox live it, it's just like a fucking revolving door. Yeah. But they showed the outside of that during season one for like almost everyone's apartment at one time or another, whether it was by mistake or like,

we're not sure if we can clear the outside yet. And I was like, that's not Stasi and Jack's apartment. Like, Stasi would never. Right. I wonder if people ever just go to 551 and take photos outside. And it should be like a Vanderpump rules tour in LA, where it just goes by Kings Road and goes down everyone's old apartment. You stop by the restaurant, you see where Pumph once was and now it's half Tom Tom, but

then you just go by all of the old apartment. If you guys haven't, you see where Pumph once was and now it's half Tom Tom, but then you just like go by all of the old apartment. If you guys haven't, you should. We've really should. We should like rent the TMZ bus. Right? Wait, that would be a funny like a fun pop-up, even if it was just for one day. Like for one day only, get your tickets and all day long, we just did like a West Hollywood tour because we all lived in West Hollywood. Everyone could be at each other's houses within. It was like, flew west, you know, it's like everywhere in LA it takes 15 minutes, which is a lie, but between all of our places, it was like it was 15 minutes, like and that's in traffic. Yes. But it was like we all lived within a mile or two of each other. And what's

trend where I'm so like getting away from this episode because who cares because this is way more fun. But that's something that's just to talk about that because you're married with a kid and everything. But I was like, this is the first time in my LA adult life that I've been like, I don't need to live with my friends live once I was pregnant. Like it was like Luke was like, why do you care about living in the valley like a year ago? And like, cause it's just where I live. Like about my house there, he's like, you sold your house, eh, fair.

Well, I don't know, cause it's just like where I'm comfortable. He's like, because some of your friends live a few minutes from you. He's like, but the friends you hang out with the most, like, live in Venice, or like, don't even live anywhere near here. He's like, why are you so hell bent?

And after we got pregnant and like really started talking about true, like, this is where we're going to go. This like here are plans in the works. I'm like, why do I mean, I do love the valley. Do not get me wrong. But I was like, Oh, wow. That's so interesting. Yeah.

How it changes. I know. But I'm the last one. I'm the last one. So this is why I'm learning one of the last ones. Yeah. How it changes. I know. But I'm the last one. I'm the last one. So this is why I'm learning, one of the last ones. I'm learning these things. Yeah.

Any who's. You just have to live where it makes you happy, where it feels like home, it feels safe. Yeah. It's like, I love living on the West Side. I'm such a West Side girl. But it's also like, it's not hard to drive to the West Side. It's not hard for me to drive to like the deep valley or calabassus or whatever it is. It's not hard to downtown tone. I don't

want it. But it's not hard to drive to any of these places because when you start growing a family or not that you have a family, you know like you just choose where you go. Like you go to I mean you're you're an anomaly because you're like Vegas, San Diego, is use a back to the West Side in one day, because you're crazy. And Palm Springs, I left Palm Springs out. Correct. Yeah. But literally, I went from Palm Springs to Vegas to LA to Le Verne within less than 24 hours last week for Thanksgiving. And then you used to do that with your Vegas show. When you had your Vegas show,

yeah, you used to do that in like a 36 hour period where you're like crossing state lines and shit. No, every Tuesday night after my show, I took the 10 p.m. Southwest flight back to LA. I did my podcast on Wednesday mornings. I worked at third Wednesday night and then I flew back for sink Thursday, did it at the rinse and repeat for like five and a half,

six months. But then even after you had somewhere, you guys were doing like Palm Springs, San Diego, LA with a baby. So, guys, what I'm saying, it's possible. We had a time, all of our drives on her naps. Yeah, because that's when it was like, okay, we've got about two and a half hours in the car.

So if we go right at this time, we give her a bottle in the car, she'll pass out. And yeah, now she refuses to sleep in the car. So it doesn't matter what time we leave. We know she's gonna be awake the whole time. And I need to get her a new iPad now because I don't know what it is about Spectra mobile, but sometimes like my unlimited data runs out and I have to hotspotters so she could be on YouTube in the heart.

And I'm like, I'm just going to buy you a new iPad and get you your own plan. You're two and a half years old, but you're taking all of Mom's hotspot and then my wifi runs slow. And what is this unlimited? It's not actually unlimited if I'm running out. I love our happy moments between all the bullshits

this episode. Yeah, so let's just, I'm gonna just summary things. Something that made me laugh a lot was, is in the next episode, the next scene, was like Tom and I at, quote unquote, home, Tom and I at home. I'm almost doing your acting real. And doing, doing my resume at first.

And my, but it's like, I was like, was that my acting resume? Oh no, I'm still doing like, I'm gonna get fired from Sir probably, or I'm gonna quit like tomorrow. So I really need to get my shit together, but I was like, I don't want a bartender table, wait tables a year from now.

My wish was granted, I was fired, as you guys will find out later. Next season, psychedelic. But I said, am I still allowed to say I work well in group situations and that I'm punctual? If you know me or laugh on two guys, and I said, can I write works well with others? And now I know why I thought of that James. I have a new James May T-shirt out that says plays well with others. Oh, I do play well with others guys.

Works. You know potato potato. And I do play well with other skies works potato potato and Next is like sassy and lees are Lisa's basically just like they're chatting about all this stuff sassy's planning a take down which is going to be which what we talked about earlier at sheena's smaller friend engagement party Did you know about that ahead of time like Like, were you asked permission, like, can we plan this or were you, was it like, a last minute thing? The idea was presented to me.

I don't remember from who specifically. Maybe it was Stasi, but... Like, do you mind if you're the backdrop of this? You know, and at the time, I was a person who could bring everyone together. So I was like, I mean, we know this conversation has to happen. And knowing you and knowing Jack's. I would have been like fucking yolo. Let it go. Make it happen. Don't care. This isn't my drama. I didn't do this. I would have been grossed out too. Like end of fucking story. Yeah, but at the time, I remember I've said this in interviews past.

It was like, at the time, I, you know, was such good friends with sand of all. And blind sighting him with that and just seeing the look. I was like, I felt so gross with myself after that. And I'm like, wow, I just did this for like, Stossie's entertainment to like, publicly embarrass these two. And then it was just like, I remember going home wow, I just did this for like, stossies and attainment to like, publicly embarrasses to put in. And then it was just like, I remember going home that night and just feeling so gross that I was a part of that because I'm like, that's not me.

I don't, I don't do that. And at the time, it sounded like a great idea. It was like, oh yeah, you know, use me to have a party. And then after I was like, oh my gosh, I didn't realize what I was actually doing to these two people and the sandable. Truly looking back and even watching this episode and remembering where Tom was at because there are things about that.

I dated him for a long time, that I remember very clearly and vividly and no one blamed you. It just happened to be your party. He did for a little bit because he was blindsided and it was just like, it was like, I think I honestly, I maybe even look like. I feel like he looked, so I didn't know that was happening tonight. I feel like he looked to blame someone if he blamed you in that moment. I think he was just reaching like grabbing straws going like, well,

Jackson doesn't care if I blame him. Stasi doesn't care if I blame her. They're not responding to me. And Tom, the Tom that I knew back then, like needed someone to like feel for him. And so it was like, yeah, Shayna will feel for me. Okay, now. Yeah, I think it was just like, you could have given me a heads up that something was happening at the party.

And I'm like, but we can't. Like it's also not my job. No, I was like, that wasn't my story to tell. So yeah, but watching that back, I was like, oh my gosh, it's been so long since I've, you asked me earlier if I've watched any of this season back. I've seen bits and pieces when it's been on like, sometimes before a new episode, they'll play old seasons.

And I remember last year, Raquel was over, and it was like something, it might've been season five, but I think it was, oh, my divorce. Yes, I remember rewatching my divorce last season. And it was like, that was just so wild, so I'm like, oh my God, I haven't watched this since it happened. Why would you? Right.

And it was like that episode played before my wedding maybe or whatever it was. But here's all of that. And then there was even a line I said in this episode in my interview by and I'm like, how could anyone do that to their best friend? It's so low. That's so disgusting. I'm like, oh my god, enter a brickel season 10. Thank you, holy shit.

This is my old interview. I have for her this last season. No, the juxtaposition of that is absolutely mind blowing. And I'm not even talking about like, oh, Ariana and Tom and me and Tom and all of that bullshit. We are past that. But just the little tiny quips in things that people say that you could literally, as you just said,

you could play those 10 years later for a same scene and just go, what an actual F. So wild. I know. Something else I'm just going to just talk about things that make me laugh. But there was a scene where, I don't remember the scene as well. Jacks was celebrating his 34th birthday Tom Santa Valls not there and they were all the boys are there not Tom Santa Valls and Stasi comes in to confront him in front of everyone

But what made me laugh? Well, this was she was like Jacks you crashed my birthday parties So I'm here to crash was, she was like, Jack's you crashed my birthday parties. So I'm here to crash yours. And she was like, you, she's like, I got persecuted on my birthday. Because he was like, you're persecuting me, you're persecuting me on my birthday. And she goes, that happened to me on my birthday. And she goes, I got left with Peter.

And Peter's sitting right there at the table. I was like, what the fuck just happened? I mean, I missed that part. And here's me just trying to I mean, I missed that part. And here's me just trying to find humor in a really dark situation. I was like, wait, you can't say it like that, Stauce. You can't be like, and I got love for Peter. I just like, I just like, Peter's like, yeah, what am I?

What am I? What do I have to do with this? I love Peter. I miss Peter ever. I need more Peter. We really do. He used to have interviews like, let's bring Peter back. This is our campaign to bring change.org is going to bring Peter back.

Hashtag Justice for Peter. Justice for Peter. Put it up, put it up, put it up, put it up. I don't know. And the male only know is that Stasi was just ripping me apart. But she looks so chic. And that was something I forgot to do back in the male only know is that Stasi was just ripping me apart, but she looks so chic. And that was something I forgot to do back in the day when I was having bad scenes, who like, just look good. It's like-

And as long as you look good. There's like that quote where it's like every day wake up like you're going to meet like your, your man's ex or something, you know, like wait, just or like the girl that you don't like or the person you don't like or the guy who wronged you, whatever you guys want to say. It's like an old saying when we were catty. But you know, it's just like try to just look presentable because even if you're feeling and kind of appearing like shit, if you look good, it's less... Exactly.

Yeah, I didn't learn that until like season eight, but it takes time, you know what I mean? It takes time. And clearly didn't learn it in my last appearance on Vanderpump Rules. I liked my slides, everyone go fuck yourselves. We love a slide moment. We do. And then there's a lovely montage situation with my acting rules you mentioned earlier. And I just wonder, and this is not like a producer like fuck you at all, but I wonder, I hope

that the producer said something to do with it, because Vanderpump producers, Vanderpump editors, especially editors are just the tits, and they only get better as seasons go on. They're just, I'm on the Emmy, dude, it's seriously, by the way, congratulations. I'm a little salty, but congratulations.

I would be too, I get it. It's so good though, and the editor, the editing gets so much better just as far as the way piecing things together, the music, just everything, the montage. But in this one, it was Tom and I trying to, I had this real editing, my acting real with this editor, and they're showing these scenes of me undressing. And then my mom in the movie slaps me. And this is all pre-bitch slap. And then it's like, this is why your boyfriend left you.

And I'm just like, what in the, come on. I don't think the producers told the editor like this would be, because how do they know what he has, right? But I feel like in the editing process, they were like, shut the fuck up. This is too good. Too good. We cannot write this. Wait, we put that together until you said that that's so funny

because I just watched that scene but I wasn't making that connection. That's hilarious. It's so good. So we get to Shina's first engagement party and the whole topic is like executions in public. Like why, like Tom's POV is like, why is it after being an execution in public? And when I really think back, this is all about leaning in and looking back, I was like, you know what, which has got executed in public. I'm not going to lie. I don't agree with it. I'm not like a fan of bullying these days and all of that. However, guys, I'll be the first to say it. I fucking deserved it. End of story. I heard a lot of people. I think the reason I went along with it at the time,

because I'm like, here we are giving stand-of-all shit for kissing Ariana. When you went on and banged your best friend's ex-boyfriend, and we're gonna not execute you in public. But again, that's just so out of character for me, and I not a bully and I just still right felt so bad like being there and I'm just like We were also young though. I want to watch it But I'm like we were young like yeah, we were so young. We're all in our like mid 20s Yeah, I wasn't Mid-delay whatever Everyone else was in their 20s jacks. I know it's weird.

You weren't already 30, yeah? I was 30. I was 30 in season two. The math ain't math and I'm 38. You're 40. Wait, I thought we were. Yeah, 10 years ago. I was 20.

Oh, I guess there was season two, yeah, then I was 28. Oh, yeah, I was like, married, I was 29. Damn. You would just turn 26 during the pilot. That's why it feels very like, what? Yeah, it's weird. Wow. So that's, so during, so we'll just get through this. So we can just keep skipping right along,

but do you, we kind of touch on this in the beginning, but like at this, I think this is what people are going to know, like at this moment during this time, we all know what happened, right? We all know the way that that party went down. Like do you remember how you felt? Because you were very, what they showed on camera was like, obviously you're very silent.

And you're just there. But the camera's like on you a whole lot. And you're just kind of like, ooh. It's like, do you remember how you felt? I mean, I remember whenever they were friends. Why did you stay my friend? Like, so I remember whenever there were things like that that would happen.

I always loved having a front seat, but it was I was happy when I was able to stay out of the drama. But then it was like, wait, but if I'm just like always silent in the background, are they gonna fire me? Like, do I have to get involved? But then I like don't want to, because like I have nothing to do with this. And I just remember in those early seasons, how I would feel like, well, I have nothing to do with like these three girls friendship,

but I am a part of this group and show. So like, do I get involved? But that day I was like, I'm staying far, the fuck away. I was like, dude, in hindsight, I wish I had taken lessons. I mean, I clearly wasn't capable or willing in that moment, but I wish I had taken lessons because I was like, insert yourself, Kristen, insert yourself. You're gonna make Tom and Katie better.

You're gonna stop this fight or you're gonna make amends with that. You're gonna get involved in every single person's flipping business that you possibly can, Kristen, in order for it to either all fall back on you, you idiot. So hats off to you for that, truly. Thanks.

It was like very smart in your younger years. So the bitch slap happens, everything fucking sucks. I want to move on to then this beach day because I just text you while I was watching it. Hi Matt, cut, shaw. Yeah. Cut shawl. This is the third time that I've seen Matt cut shawl on Manor Pump since he's in one room. Like I cannot believe.

I know you all know who Matt cut shawl is, but we're just giving a little shout out to the very famous Instagram or YouTuber creator of all amazing videos, Matt and his NowWife Ariel and it's just like what? You were a viner who worked at Sir and had it was on camera like that. I hope he just doesn't remember any of it. Like it had to be so weirdly traumatic because he's such a chill dude. Right. And like, no I forgot. He's lying. He was at, someone that saw him at my wedding, like in the audience or whatever you call it, you know, and someone had mentioned something to him and was like,

wait, were you a Sheena's first wedding? But it was like recently, like when someone was doing a rewatch, it's just funny how, yeah, it's like, dude, Matt and I go back to like 2007, like way before sir, way before Vanderpom, like I knew him for so many years before all of this. And it's just wild to see where people's careers go. And hey, it's what we have.

I'm gonna start it, sir. Just get a job at Sir, guys. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. So the Beach Party ends up really shitty. And you guys all had fun, and then Tom came, talked to Jacks, and we'll move on. Episode 14 is called I Lied, which is also the chapter in my book, so I've got bye-bye book on it.

It's on. Your book, no offense to anyone else who is on our show and has written a book, but your book is the only one I've read start to finish. I looked through every page in Tom and Ariana's cocktail book. I did not read every story. I did not read all of Lala's book. I did not read all of Stasi's book.

I read all of yours from start to finish. It was such a good read. It was such a good read. It was such an easy read. The chapters were short. Every story was interesting. And yeah, just to give a shout out to one of my favorite books I've ever read. So yeah, great, great book.

Melt my fucking heart. It's my biggest accomplishment ever. But it came out at the absolute worst time. I know, that was so unfortunate for you. It was like the blackout social media day and Kristen's book is launching and it was like. And I got fired a week later. Like to the day.

I know. The day that's Vanderbomb season eight, episode three of the reunion came out. I was like, what is happening right now? Yeah, but guys, this is very good for you. Dark clouds come and you just keep moving. Books are forever, you know. Yeah, that's true.

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So I wanna talk about the surf photo shoots. I literally was just talking about these other things. You've been a part of them for so long. I think you only missed two photo shoots that were pre-vandorpom, or I'm sorry, you were pre-vandorpom rules. So it's like, we did these before Vandorpom rules. Was it weird for you or was it cool for you

because you were already in actress, you were already well versed in doing headshots and photo shoots and things like that. None of us really were to the extent that you were because you were born and raised here and acting so young. Was that why the fuck are we doing bikini shoots for a restaurant? Or did it make sense to you because of Lisa? I loved it.

Okay. Because even working at Villa Blanca, I always wanted to work at Sur and be a part of those sexy photoshoots because it just felt like we were, before we were on a TV show, it just felt like we were like local celebrities working at, you know, the coolest restaurants and whatnot. It was like, we how hooters girls are something, you know, it was like, there's the Sur girls and they're on the posters in the restaurant

and whatnot and I wanted to be a sur girl. And so I loved getting to be a part of these photoshoots until they got actually naked. That's where I'm like, okay, that's where I draw the line. So you were not in the naked shoe. I could not remember until I saw that. But I drew the line there. I never skinny dipped on the show.

I was like, you're right. That never skinny dipped on the show. I was like, I- You didn't. You're right. That was just like not for me. I'm like, I- Did you topless swim? I always topless swim because I just swam, swam. You also have like the best boobs I've ever seen. I have no boobs. I was still good.

I was still good. No, they're massive now. And they're just finally starting to shrink. I'm like, what, who are you? Why are my nipples so big? Why are my tits like juggernautous? It happens and it'll happen again to you just wait. Did yours get stuck?

But after I had her, they are so tiny. They are so gone now, but my left is still a little bigger. It's called a bra and a lot of fucking padding and gel inserts. There's nothing there. It's called a bra and a lot of fucking patting and gel inserts There's nothing there the left one produced so much more milk that it's still as a little bigger But they are completely deflated my nipples will never be the same You're pregnant. Yeah, but that that happens and I provided Perfect nutrition for my kid for 13 months and you know know what? And to some of us, I tried your rosmilk. That's true.

I provided milk for a lot of people. Andy Cohen. That's right. Listen, he's never been that close to a woman's tauta before I don't think. So rock and roll. Yeah, I was just wondering about it. I was like, oh, yeah, she was not in the naked part.

OK, that makes perfect sense, because I would not have been either. All right, so we're moving to the very end of the episode because then I just have a couple questions for you before you bounce. The very end of the episode, I just noted, like Tom and I at home, that there was something that hit me and this is again,

just to talk about the me and me, but he was like, I just want you to admit it to me. And there was a moment that I watched that that I know when else on the planet would see, but like I saw my eyes change. And I was like, that was the moment that I knew the second those cameras left, I was going to tell him. And I had billing where the John Car are two executive producers after that scene come in the house because they don't, just so you guys know, we don't, you don't normally in my experience have like your top EPs,

showing up at shoots unless it's like a full cast thing with Lisa, like big events, right? And they both came in the house and they were like, come on dude, just why are you gonna live with this? It wasn't even like, come on, do it, it's the finale. It was like, why are you gonna keep living with this hell? Just do it. And I was like, I don't know what you're talking about.

I don't know what you're talking about. And the second they left, this is gonna be really shitty. But here's the truth. I called my best friend Amy back home. My best friend said, we were like 14 years old, and I told her, and I handed Tom the phone. And I was like, tell him. And I made Amy tell him.

I never know if I knew that. Yeah. And then I locked myself in a bathroom, and started drinking something. And then Tom came up and he was like, get your shit together, put fucking makeup on. I don't care what you look like. You're not making me go alone to this. Which was funny because in the finale,

something, again, I don't remember, was that Tom said, I have to be, he tells Stasi to her, I had to be there, so Kristen didn't face this alone. I was like, huh, I just thought that was very interesting because I feel like here's like this little spark of a kind moment, I guess, for the Tom Sinovall oversaw there. But to wrap up the party, I explain it. I tell Stasi the truth, ish, really tell her the truth of the reunion about the full truth and the two times and all the bullshit. But at this party, Shina, good as gold is sung and danced on the bar. And you know,

the high, you now have a vinyl of good as gold. Did you ever think I saw Brock say something, post something on Instagram, say about like packaging the vinyls. Yeah. Do you ever fucking think penny lane that you would have a freaking vinyl that you could sell? No. How cool is that?

I could have imagined this song having the revamp that it did. I've got to thank Uber one for bringing it back. But then also the 27s for the best fucking cover ever, which is also available on the vinyl. We've got the OG version and the screamo version, but we only did a limited number of vinyl. So once they sell out, they sell out. We're not ever going to make them again. This is just a one-time special thing. So everyone hurry the flip up, especially for Christmas,

if you wanna give yourself a gift or a friend or both. You have better hurry up, she's saying it here now. There will not be a re-release. What about maybe in like 20 years? Don't count on it, but maybe. I would definitely maybe do another vinyl, but it'll be my EP that's gonna come out in February. Vitals are so cool.

Yeah. I need the good old one. Yeah, like me and the 27's, I could see us having a vinyl of our EP that we're working on right now because it's so fucking good. It's magic. It really is magic. Okay. Wrap this up because you are all glammed up and ready to roll.

So just some quick listener viewer questions. Has Lisa always been that beautiful Sheena? Yes. That's literally what the question is. I know. I was like, you guys know, I don't get along Lisa. It's all fine and fair. She's stunning. Oh, yeah. She's literally stunning. She is also the definition of getting better with age because I even look back at the early seasons. And I'm like, she's so much beautiful now. She really is. Yeah. No, 100%. Did you enjoy filming season two? And then second part, which season would you like to relive again? Like if you had to choose? I would relive this past season, season 10, not season 11 that we just filmed. I would relive season 10 because it was my wedding and all of that. I would handle things differently with Katie and I would have my eyes on fucking sand of all

and Rick Hell so much more. Like I could go back and redo that season. I would. I say this all the time, but it's like watching like the sixth sense or one of, you know, one of those movies again. Where you're like, if you watch it the second time, you just see something completely different.

That's a great answer. What is your... I don't know if you even have one. I feel like my shit's all over the place, but do you have a favorite unseen Vanderpump moment with me? Unseen. I feel like most of myself was pretty aired because when people ask me, it's like the stuff with Ariana and I, like, becoming buddies and then, and friends.

Dare I say, like, because we weren't super close until, like, the end of all of my journey on bigger pump rules, like, much closer in the last three to four years. But we did start becoming friends more than just buds. And so I always say that for me. But I feel like, yeah, I feel like all of our show was pretty much aired out. Yeah. There are just sometimes I always feel like I wish they would have shown like sweeter moments in the funny like arted moments. But they don't have

all the time in the world. No, but even when I was going through my divorce, you know, like we weren't really like we filmed some stuff then, but it wasn't like we were full time filming. We filmed some stuff then, but it wasn't like we were full-time filming. Not the way you guys kind of have been lately. No. You're like all of Kardashian's now. They got to keep up with the Vanderpumpers so they just keep cameras up. It was like we picked up cameras for two days, not two weeks. But it wasn't this crazy scandal either.

But just how much you were there for me during that time. I wish that could have been filmed and could have been shown because you were incredible to me during that time. I wish that could have been filmed and could have been shown because you were incredible to me during that. Thank you. I love you. Okay, then last question was I think is really fun and awesome and something you and Ariana don't necessarily get to talk about a lot, is how did you and Ariana first meet? When did you guys start working at Sir?

Then was it for show purposes only? I'll just answer the show purposes. Like, yes and no, because you already both worked for Lisa's establishments for so long. Yeah, that's where we met. We met at Villa Blanca. I think it was 2010. Whatever year she moved to LA.

It was like she was working at Villa Blanca. Yeah, I think it was 2010. And we just hit it off right away as far as I can remember. I don't ever remember us not getting along. I feel like she's been my boss friend for so long. Like I don't ever remember her not being my boss friend. And I mean, we would after work all of the time, we would go back to my apartment, we would play We Just Dance,

and we would have our dance parties. And still to this day, it was like two day, or no, it was the last day of Bravo Con because she had to leave early to get back for dancing with the stars. And that last night, we all went out and they played foot loose. And that is like mine and Ariana's song that we used to dance to all of the time on We Just Dance. And I always, to this day, no matter where I am, if I hear that song, I will give some of my phone. I'm like, I need you to get a video of me right now. And I do my little dance and I kick my feet up and I send it to her, no matter where I am. And so I send it to her day three of Bravo Kongs. She wasn't there for that. And then the next night, or it was like two nights after, it might have even been the same night as Dancing With The Stars if she went out after.

But then she had sent me a video back and that song was on and she sent me her feet dancing to it. So we've just like always had those little things. And yeah, I forced her to work at Sir With Me. She didn't want to. And I was like, I need you. These girls are crazy. Please, I need a friend. And I'm not one. Again, this is all hindsight, but hindsight, I'm so happy that she did, because life would have our whole last decade of our lives

would be so different. It's wild. It's nice that in some ways, guys, it's nice to have this video yearbook. We just have to make our own edits. That's all. It's crazy. Yeah, I love you so much. Thank you so much for doing this and everyone by the day I'm vinyl you know that you have very limited time. The link is in China's bio. You all already follow her on Instagram and TikTok and the the X and the stuff. I don't know. I'm not on the X anymore.

But all the stuff by all shit, because it's awesome. I wish I was wearing my boy crazy, like, beanie right now. I still have it. We are gonna bring those back because one of the songs on my EP is called Boy Crazies. Yes. So those are gonna for a limited time only,

those will probably come back. It'll be towards the end of winter because my EP is not gonna come out until February. But, um, right from time to my birthday. Oh, yeah. Happy birthday. Yeah. Amazing. Okay, well, I love you. I love Brock. I love Summer Moon. And to have so much fun tonight and thank you for doing this. I love you. Thank you. Of course, I love you too. Make sure to follow us on social media.

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