Sex With Emily - All Things Anal w/ Dr. Evan Goldstein

Episode Date: October 8, 2024

Anal sex isn’t as taboo as it once was but many people are still too shy to explore it. Today, I’m talking with nationally renowned anal surgeon and expert Dr. Evan Goldstein, about all things ana...l. From how to clean up before backdoor play (did you know you can be too clean?), to tips to enhance pleasure and the wide variety of things to try while you’re back there, we’ve got you covered. Dr. Evan gives tips on how to relax, toys that can help, and which lubes are best for every act imaginable. We also break down lube shooters, how to minimize the risk of exposing yourself to STIs and what to consider whether you’re a top or a bottom. In this episode, you’ll learn: Why communication and preparation are key to a positive anal experience with your partner. Expert tips on easing into anal play without discomfort or pain. Safe and effective cleaning practices to maintain a healthy and pleasurable anal routine. Show Notes: Join the SmartSX Membership: Access exclusive sex coaching, live expert sessions, community building, and tools to enhance your pleasure and relationships with Dr. Emily Morse. Try the WhisperBullet today! Head to B-BOUTIQUE.CO/VIBE /EMILYMORSE This episode is brought to you by: Just Thrive (Visit justthrivehealth.com and use code “SEXWITHEMILY” at checkout for 20% off your order) Yes! No! Maybe? List & Other Sex With Emily Guides: Explore pleasure, deepen connections, and enhance intimacy using these Sex With Emily downloadable guides.  SHOP WITH EMILY! (free shipping on orders over $99) The only sex book you’ll ever need: Smart Sex: How to Boost Your Sex IQ and Own Your Pleasure Want more? Visit the Sex With Emily Website  Let’s get social: Instagram | X | Facebook | TikTok | Threads | YouTube Let’s text: Sign up here Want me to slide into your email inbox? Sign Up Here for sex tips on the regular. See the full show notes at sexwithemily.com

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Starting point is 00:00:00 The misnomer of anal sex is painful. That shouldn't be the case. Anal sex should not be painful. I think people think that you can go from nothing to something big very quickly and you can't. They always want to go from zero to anal. Totally. And there are definitely some people that are able to do it.
Starting point is 00:00:25 But the majority cannot. You're listening to Sex with Emily. I'm Dr. Emily, and I'm here to help you prioritize your pleasure and liberate the conversation around sex. Anal sex isn't as taboo as it once was, but many people are still too shy to talk about it. Well today I'm talking with nationally renowned anal surgeon and expert Dr. Evan Goldstein about all things anal.
Starting point is 00:00:54 Get ready for it. We talk about how to clean up before backdoor play, tips to enhance pleasure, and the wide variety of things to try while you're back there. We've got you covered. And remember this is for all genders interested in anal play. Dr. Evan gives tips on how to relax, toys that can help, and which loops are best for every act imaginable. We also break down loop shooters, love a loop shooter, how to minimize the risk of exposing yourself to STIs, and what to consider regardless if you're a top or a bottom,
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Starting point is 00:03:11 Dr. Goldstein has extensive experience educating and shedding light on healthcare issues for both the LGBTQ community and straight audiences. He's also the founder and CEO of Bespoke Surgical and the co-founder of Future Method. Find more about Dr. Goldstein on social media at Dr. Evan Goldstein. Hey, Dr. Evan Goldstein, welcome to the show. So tell me about yourself. Thank you, thank you.
Starting point is 00:03:36 I started a practice called Bespoke Surgical about 12 years ago. And I saw a huge need in the community, all stemming from everything that you get asked all the time. And there really wasn't someone that was spearheading the movement of saying, anal sex is totally appropriate and fine. How do we make sure that you are doing it as safely as possible with the appropriate education? And if something does go wrong, how do we now make sure we have professionals that are able to take care of it, both physically
Starting point is 00:04:12 and then obviously mentally, because there's so much that combats both of that. And that was really the impetus of me starting this practice. I just saw a huge gap in the services that was being delivered. And I was like, how do we just do it and create an environment that is destigmatizing, that doesn't, you know, create the taboo that's associated with it, make an environment that's warm and comfortable and inviting because people are really talking about difficult topics and topics that are really you know true and dear to their heart and that's really spearheaded this kind of anal movement it's been kind of crazy. It is an anal movement
Starting point is 00:04:57 what you're doing because yeah it is still very taboo though it's like the other thing that you do where do you think all the taboo comes from? People always ask me that. Why do you think it's so taboo? I think that again it's probably the the homophobic component and the reality is that it feels so good. What's the problem? Especially as a man I'll never have that honor of being a man and getting having a prostate but I feel like in the years I've been doing this something I've noticed is it's still taboo and people still want to know about anal more than any other subject, which is why I'm so glad that you're here.
Starting point is 00:05:30 But also that straight men have started to come around on their own and just say, hey, I'm curious. I hear what you've been saying and maybe I should try it out. Maybe I should put a finger in there, but it plug. But it's just in the last few years. So I don't know what you've been doing there. But we're all ready for it. I mean, yeah. I mean, I think that that has actually been such a huge push
Starting point is 00:05:53 and help in terms of everything that we're doing at Bespoke Surgical and also at Future Method. And we'll talk about that. I think the key component has been breaking down these stigmas in society. I did a study early on in my career and you know that what I do is a referral-based practice. You go to a doctor, you say, my ass is hurt, and then they send you to me. But the reality is that most doctors still don't talk about sex.
Starting point is 00:06:22 And they don't ask them on a general health physical of like, hey, are you sexually active? What type of sex are you engaging? Do you enjoy it? Are you happy? I mean, those are questions that people just never ask anybody. No, they don't.
Starting point is 00:06:38 And then I said, well, if doctors aren't asking the questions, my business model is flawed, right? Because no one's going to refer because they're not actually asking the right questions. And so seven years ago, I hired a publicist and a PR team. And we said, you know what, let's create a mission. And the mission is, how do we kind of use popular press and push the narrative so that people can get educated and hopefully explore sexually in new ways that they never actually knew was what they wanted and or possible. And you're so right. I mean, the thing is, is when you look at where we've been successful, we've been successful in two areas, female centered publications and straight,
Starting point is 00:07:27 like Barstool Sports, Cosmo, Vogue. And it's interesting because those are, pushing that narrative into the heterosexual world has actually helped us on the gay space because now people are talking about it and people are saying, wow, yeah, I could actually enjoy this and I should offer this to my partner or partners. And how do we do it safely? So it's been quite interesting. That is so interesting. You went in through the straight door to get to the back door.
Starting point is 00:07:55 Don't you just love it? OK, so what are all the things that people want to know about anal? Should we just start there? I mean, what I can say is off the top of my head, it's going to be painful. How do I clean for it? And you have so much great knowledge in this area. Sure. So when I first started practicing, I kind of broke things up into categories.
Starting point is 00:08:19 And that's actually what those pillars are what is founded in terms of how I practice. And it's how do you prepare for anal sex? How do you actually engage or play? And then what is the aftercare? And so I think the misnomer of anal sex is painful. It's really that shouldn't be the case. Anal sex should not be painful. You should not bleed.
Starting point is 00:08:46 You should not, you know, be in excruciating pain. That's just not how it should work. I think people think that you can go from nothing to something big very quickly, and you can't. They always want to go from zero to anal. Totally. And there are definitely some people that are able to do it, but the majority cannot. And so I usually recommend doing a four to six week protocol of using
Starting point is 00:09:12 toys. And it gets people one to know, do they like it? Or they do they find it pleasurable? Two is it really starts for people to learn the pelvic floor and the anal anatomy. There's, it's not very complicated. There's two things in the ass, it's skin and it's muscle, that's it. And the key is how do you get the skin to fully relax and how do you get the muscle to relax? Now, if you think of skin, skin itself is very, very thin,
Starting point is 00:09:43 especially in the ass. And so by using a toy or a butt plug or a dilating kit, what you're doing is you're kind of strengthening the skin. And I tell people, it's like you and I going to the gym. If we're lifting weights, we get calluses on our hand. It's the same concept. The bar is creating a protective callus. If you're using a toy in your ass, couple of times a week, in a very gradual progression,
Starting point is 00:10:11 you're gonna start creating good, healthy skin that is now strong enough to distend so that you can engage however and whatever you want. And so the process of dilating over four to six weeks allows for the skin to get fully comfortable with opening, and then allows for you to understand the three different muscles that are there that sequentially need time to learn how to relax. And so I usually tell people it's a six week process and it's using three toys that
Starting point is 00:10:48 come in like a set small, medium and large. And just like going to the gym, I tell people do it right when you're showering by yourself. You'll take the toy, a lot of lube and you'll just like going to the gym, give me two sets sets of 12 that's all you need to do two sets of 12 what like pulses or 12 minutes? No in and out so you're just gonna go all the way out hold it there until you hit a little resistance and then come back out and each time that you go in and out I usually tell people to relubricate it so that you're kind of understanding that lube needs to be 360 degrees around. And each time that you're going in and out, you're kind of applying the lube in that area, plus
Starting point is 00:11:33 you're learning how to relax those three muscles. And it takes it takes time, you know, and with that said, it's really for people to understand the anatomy of, oh, okay, this is how I actually relax when I'm engaging. And it takes time for the body because the neural mechanism is only really created for shitting. It's like, hey, how do I relax when I'm going to the bathroom? That's it. Now it's okay. How do I take this to the next level and get to a point where I can fully receive what I want? That's it. Now it's okay, how do I take this to the next level and get to a point where I can fully receive what I want?
Starting point is 00:12:09 So how do you explain that? So I can see them putting it in and taking it out, but how do you, is there a breath work that you explain to them when they're going in and out? How do they relax? Cause the neuromuscular, like we're just, we're so used to tensing. So how do you get them to be like, relax?
Starting point is 00:12:24 That's right. Relax, yeah. Totally right. Well, the small toy is really small. So it becomes, it's pretty easy to go in and out. Now with that said though, usually how, when someone comes to the office and I'm doing an exam,
Starting point is 00:12:36 I'm asking them to kind of push out. So I usually say, push out like you're gonna take a shit. And what happens is they learn how to relax and they're like, Oh, that's interesting. And I said, yeah, when I'm pushing in the, the instrument's all these things that you learn. But the key is going until you hit resistance, holding the toy there, breathing, taking it back out, relubricating and doing it again, and not to get frustrated because a lot of people will be like, Oh God, this is not happening. And they get really tense and says, Okay, take, say, okay, that session is finished. Try it again another time. And you'll start to see that over the next couple of weeks
Starting point is 00:13:31 that you'll be able to start getting the small in without issues. And then you'll always start with the small toy, gradually working to the medium and then getting up to the large. And through there, you'll start to really see. Now, if you're bleeding, if you're having pain, if things aren't moving the way that you're thinking,
Starting point is 00:13:49 then you should see somebody. Because there's a lot of people that have predisposed issues, whether it's a hemorrhoid, whether it's a fissure, which is a tear, whether it's some extra skin that developed. I see a lot of post-pregnancy women that come to me with some hemorrhoidal skin tissue that causes them issues with just wiping, let alone or feeling sexy from vaginal sex,
Starting point is 00:14:13 let alone on an anal perspective. So there's lots of things that may cause issues that if things aren't gliding the way that you think that they should, then you should see somebody to make sure that we're all on the same page before you push it further. Well, who else would they see now? You're like the most, I feel like there should be nobody else. Anything goes wrong with my anus. I'm getting on a plane to New York.
Starting point is 00:14:36 That's what I got to say about that. But yeah, because it's women, it's really, yeah, it's everybody with an anus. That's right. Which would be all of us. Are there toys that you recommend or you sell in your office or online? Yeah, so on my website Bespoke Surgical, there's a lot of different toys that are there
Starting point is 00:14:55 and different apparatuses to help. And then it goes over kind of why I think that they're really great. And also people can get the protocol as well on the website so that people can start doing what they need people can get the protocol as well on the website so that people can start doing what they need to to get to where they want. And that's bespoke surgical.com. But you guys can find that we'll put that in the show notes as well. Okay. So let's talk about lube for a minute because if someone asks me like,
Starting point is 00:15:17 I got 30 seconds and they're like, give me your best tips for anal. I'm like, breathe, go slow, use lots of lube, right? That's kind of my thing if I'm like in a hurry, you know, then we talk about it. But the lube thing, it's like I'm like apply, reapply. I think silicone lube is the best for anal. Typically water-based, no one's got time for that to keep reapplying, reapplying, unless they're using toys. We have to use water-based with toys. But is that pretty much what you recommend? Yeah, you know, I think that not all lube is created equal. True. That's for sure. And a lot of people have reactions to certain lubricants, so you
Starting point is 00:15:51 just got to really see. Now, if I'm playing with toys on my own, I'm using water based because it's just so much easier, easier to clean. And a lot of the toys can't support silicone. So you just gotta be careful. If you use silicone with silicone, it actually eats away at some of the rubber and the silicone there. So I usually say for toys and you're not engaging in anal, water-based lube is the best.
Starting point is 00:16:16 If you're doing pure anal, I agree with you. I think silicone has the best lubricity that is out there. With that said, I love toys before sex or during sex because it's going to allow you to be pre-lubricated, to be dilated the right way. If you assume that somebody is at a top or someone that is inserting actually knows what they're doing, you're gonna get hurt.
Starting point is 00:16:42 So my whole shtick is if you are a bottom or receiving, you need to be so understanding of all these things so that you minimize your risk. And the way to do that is to you can be submissive, but you can know, okay, how do I make sure that I dilate before? How do I make sure that I'm using the right lube and or what's called a lube shooter, which is basically a syringe that I love. Oh, it's, it's, it's a game changer. Once you start using the right tools to get you where you want to go.
Starting point is 00:17:20 And the assumption needs to be and the goal for bespoke surgical was always, how do I empower the bottom? And by empowering the bottom, it's making sure that they're educated, making sure that they're doing everything right, and also assuming that nobody else knows what the fuck they're doing. Yeah, and if they're on the top, exactly the top doesn't know because they're a top. Like they don't know that you need these things. Like how would they know? You're right, we have to be our own best anal advocates. That's right. That's right.
Starting point is 00:17:48 That's so true. So many times we want to just assume, like I always just assume my partners knew everything. Cause I didn't know anything, you know, before I had this as my career. Right, right. Came to find out that no one knows anything. They don't know shit.
Starting point is 00:17:59 It's just literally. They don't know shit. The other question I get asked all the time is about douching. And I know you have some strong protocol around this too. And I wonder, like I often say that the store bought ones aren't so great because there's the vinegar, whatever, what's in them. But then, but then I heard you say in an interview,
Starting point is 00:18:15 so I want to talk that water isn't great either. So please correct me. You know, one of the things in my practice at Bespoke was I started to see people coming to me over and over with the same injury or the same STD. And then I started to break down into those categories of what are people actually doing. And a lot of people are using really huge bulbs to douche out and clean out. They're using shower hoses. And so we started to look at, well, what are the
Starting point is 00:18:45 differences that are causing problems? And there's three things. One is the solution that people are using is not correct, whether they're using water, or they're using a store bought enema. And what happens is, is that when you use this, you're actually getting rid of your protective lining in the ass. It's like douching in the vagina too. That's right, same exact concept. And the water and the enema cause so much irritation internally that now you are predisposing
Starting point is 00:19:18 yourself to HIV, STDs and injury. So we said, okay, well, why don't we just develop something that is going to be safe? And that was the impetus of me creating Future Method. And Future Method is all about that, which is like, how do we look at sex and the way that communities engage? And then how do we put products to support it? And so I said, okay, why don't we make this our mission? And the first product that we launched with was an appropriate anal douche solution. And the solution is pH balanced, very similar to the vaginal side, which is how do we clean and give people what they want, that sexy feeling and clean but without irritating the cells without causing damage and so I
Starting point is 00:20:06 said okay first thing let's come up with a solution so we did that second thing is let's come up with appropriate education and an appropriate system because I think people are actually over douche they're over douche and then I don't think that everybody needs a douche. If you know your natural cycle, like if you've gone to the bathroom that day, you know, like I don't think you have to every time people get so like, what about poop? And then I always say, well, it happens. So throw shit down. Like it's messy.
Starting point is 00:20:36 Yes, I agree. And I think that I'm so glad you mentioned that because the reality is, is that I think seven to eight out of 10 people will not have shit anywhere near where you're having sex. And it's just people to understand anatomy. Where we're having anal is actually clean. It's when you're having the bowel movement, the crap moves into the anal area and then you shit it out. But the rest of that is actually clean. And
Starting point is 00:21:05 we talk a lot about instead of anal health, gut health, which is how do you make sure you're eating right? How do we make sure we're doing nighttime fiber supplementation so that you shit first thing in the morning and it's like appropriate and it completely empties you? How do you use toys? And I tell people all the time, like, prove it to yourself. Use a toy without douching on your own. And I bet you nine times out of 10, no poop whatsoever. And so I think the stigma associated with it, your own internal stigma, and also society's pressures make people want to douche. And so I said, okay, well, if we are going to douche, then how do you do it the right way? The right solution, also a much smaller bulb.
Starting point is 00:21:51 Our bulb is smaller. Why? Well, because you really just need to clean very, very, like eight to 12 centimeters internally. You're not talking about a ridiculous amount where you need to clean. That makes so much sense. Totally.
Starting point is 00:22:07 So the key is like, how do you educate people the anatomy? And again, that's to blame for sexual education in our country, right? Specifically anal and gay sex. I mean, I hope in my lifetime that there'll be courses that are really sponsored by the appropriate government. I know. I hope that's what I want too. I want it too for everybody. that there'll be courses that are really sponsored by the appropriate governmental... I know, I hope that's what I want too. I want it too for everybody. There's no sex education. And then with gay sex, yeah, I could see that you must have so many people coming in with injuries from years of just not... Where would you go? You see porn and they're not showing you the whole thing.
Starting point is 00:22:40 They're not showing you their dilators and building up. Nothing. There's nothing. So there's more harm. Yeah. Wow. I think this is such a great protocol. So this is what we're talking about is like the having a healthy microbiome. Totally. You know, there's a couple of things and there's some stuff coming out that you'll see on the future method side of biome stuff. And we know a couple of things. When you overdose or you're using water, you're actually altering the microbiome. And there's a specific bacteria that we know elevates. And when that elevates, you're susceptible to STDs, HIV, and injury.
Starting point is 00:23:14 So the key is, how do we balance all of this? I know what people want. They want a sexy ass that has no shit and is silky and playable. I know that. The issue is how do we now make sure that people are doing it in a way that's not harmful? We do so many harmful things to ourselves and then we just keep going, assuming it's going to get better. We don't want to ask our doctors because there's so much shame around it.
Starting point is 00:23:41 So I love that your site has so much greater education. I always say less is more with anal. You need to think that in everything. It's like, how do I just create an environment that is going to be safe for everybody and also minimize as much risk as possible? Because the ass itself is very thin walled. The pressures of sex are greater than really what a lot
Starting point is 00:24:10 of that can sustain without you taking these precautions in the right way. And then also like, look, you are gonna get hurt every once in a while and you are gonna bleed and have some pain. And so the question is, okay, well, if that happens, how do I now take care of myself early on so that I don't have these long-term complications
Starting point is 00:24:31 or see somebody that knows about sexual wellness that's specific to my community? That makes so much sense. So what do you do for aftercare if you do have tears or just in general? I think that a lot of it is like a three to five day break of making sure the poops are soft. So add some stool softeners, Epsom salt baths are really great. I use these and love these suppositories which have cocoa butter in them to kind of soothe the
Starting point is 00:24:57 lining. Also even like a preparation age both inside and out and then after three to five days you should start to see that like you know everything's getting better and improving. If things aren't then the key is really making sure that you see somebody because there's so many things that we can do early on that doesn't need surgical treatment. Let's say that we've got people now interested and they're like okay I'm going to take the precautions. Are there any tips you have for beginner anal play? Yeah. So I mean, I think a couple of things.
Starting point is 00:25:31 One is being in control. The first couple of sessions is so important. So a lot of it is just, you know, being on top, meaning have the person laid down, get them erect or whatever toy they're using, it depends on how you're engaging and you're in control. You're sitting on it, you're trying to manipulate and try to see. Don't let somebody get behind you. If somebody's behind you, they're going to kind of do their thing and their thing is
Starting point is 00:25:59 not really overly the best. So the key is kind of, I think bringing in toys to foreplay is amazing, you know, especially like, you know, fine, if you don't want to bring it in, because you don't feel comfortable, do it literally right before. And again, like when you're douching, when you're cleaning out, if that's what you're doing, use the toy, it helps with getting rid of any extra liquid solution that you use. It'll also lubricate everywhere and get you kind of prepared to then do what you want to. I think you need to find somebody that is super fun, but also communicative so that you can have a really, really good like, Hey, this is my first or Hey, this is what I want to
Starting point is 00:26:43 do. And then can we kind of work together in a really good way where, hey, this is my first or hey, this is what I want to do. And then can we kind of work together in a really good way, where it may not be overtly crazy sexy, but you're learning how to kind of manipulate in the way to then get yourself into a good space with different positions, etc. So you got to choose like a friend with benefit or a partner that is really, really understanding and trying to see. And also, you know, don't go crazy big, you know what I'm saying? I know we all like big things,
Starting point is 00:27:10 but choose wisely the size as well if you can. That can happen too, people. Well, what you're saying is Tony Hill picture anal as someone coming in from behind, but I love what you're saying about it being on top and lowering yourself down so you're in control. So it's like missionary. That makes sense.
Starting point is 00:27:28 And also any of the positions that you're facing the partner is actually a really good position because you can see the grimaces, you can see the pain, you can see the pleasure, you can kind of, you're kind of forced to communicate, even if it's not verbally. pleasure, you can kind of you're kind of forced to communicate even if it's not verbally. So like, I usually tell people starting in that capacity is a really good way. And then once you kind of get yourself into a really good space, then great thing you could start to explore and be open to that. I also think that like, using the toys, I usually tell people there's a dilator kits that I like. And then like, if you've passed that, then the next is
Starting point is 00:28:07 kind of dildos, which I think are really great, because they're lifelike, they'll give you a little bit of understanding of, oh, this is how I can actually relax to achieve what I want. So there is this kind of middle ground, before you're kind of jumping on the real thing. Now, is it ever we're going back to size? is it ever a case where it's just too big? You're like, that's just no. This is just a no, no, no.
Starting point is 00:28:29 They text you pictures, they're like, Dr. Goldstein. Totally. That is the hardest thing to teach somebody, which is when to say no. Even to my kids, I'm like, well, that's probably not a good idea, right? And so with that said, you really need to understand and using the toys and the dildos will allow you to understand like what you're
Starting point is 00:28:53 capable of doing. Now, no matter what, there are definitely people that as they're using toys and dildos, they cause issues, it's painful, they feel burning, there's a little bit of a tear, and it becomes this restriction that doesn't allow them to engage with what they want. And there's certain things that I can do in the office and in an operating room to help people. A lot of people, their muscle is way too tight. I see people that, you know, we're a lot of Peloton users. We're doing a lot of squats.
Starting point is 00:29:27 All these things create such beautiful butts, right? But they're actually getting so much muscle to happen anally. And so what you see is that they're not able to fully, fully relax. I see a lot of bodybuilders come to me because they have so much muscle built up annually that now when we say, okay, relax, they can't.
Starting point is 00:29:51 And so I do a lot of Botox where I can inject Botox into certain muscles to give people that relaxation. Also I give some under the skin line or actually bring people to the operating room to kind of open up both the muscle and the skin to now allow people to do what they want. So using the toys and the dildos and kind of preparing allows for people to really see like, oh, well, maybe I do have something that's limiting me. and I do want to engage. Now, the muscle is really great. You can kind of work that in both capacities,
Starting point is 00:30:29 tight and loose, but a lot of times it's the skin that's the limiting factor. And today I had a couple of Skype calls from people where they go to a surgeon and the surgeon basically cuts the muscle because they're like, oh, they're too tight. But the reality is that no, they were taking dick and toys before. It's actually the skin.
Starting point is 00:30:51 And if you don't correct the skin issues, it's never going to actually heal. We'll be right back with Dr. Goldstein, but I just want to go back to what he said a little earlier about gut health. Gut health is just so important, but the truth is being more regular with your bowel movements can also help with anal sex. My favorite probiotic to use for my gut health is Just Thrive. The happy gut can totally amp up your mood,
Starting point is 00:31:14 your energy, and even your libido. So I started Just Thrive at the beginning of this year, and I've noticed an incredible change. Since I started using Just Thrive, I'm rarely bloated, I have more energy after meals, my sleep has improved dramatically. We all know how crucial good sleep is for your overall well-being and even your performance in the bedroom. Now I've tried every single probiotic under the sun over the years. Those fancy drinks, the refrigerated ones, you name it.
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Starting point is 00:32:34 with some of the brightest minds in the sexual health and wellness space. I work with these people and I want you to know them too. But if I'm being honest with you, my favorite part of the membership is the community. The whole reason I got into this line of work was by talking to the people around me about what their sex was like and learning through others so that you're not alone and there's nothing to be shameful about. We're all going through similar things in the bedroom and this hushed mentality is what leads to the taboos and the shame. And so with the Smart SX membership, I've already witnessed an incredible support system of like-minded individuals becoming friends and cheering each other on.
Starting point is 00:33:09 It's incredible to watch. This is truly a unique, one of a kind of experience and I hope you'll come join me. And if you're someone who wants more pleasure in their life, well, this is a place for you. We are starting a pleasure revolution and we want you to join. Sign up, go to my website, sexwithemily.com, click on the Go to my website, sexwithemily.com,
Starting point is 00:33:25 click on the membership tab, that's sexwithemily.com, click on the membership tab, or head straight to sexwithemily.com slash smartsx. Check it out now and take those steps to change your sex life for the better. It works. So I have a question for you about the gay community. So I'm, I always have, and I was talking to some of my gay friends about this.
Starting point is 00:33:48 They're like, oh yeah, they're, they're only bottoms or they're only tops. But I'm wondering, like, I always say, like, if I had a prostate, I would definitely like take a gander and figure it out. Is it more like you just think like, I'm just going to be a bottom or I'm just going to be a top? Like, I know there are switches, but you think there would be more because it can feel good to everybody. So what is that? Do you think there would be more because it can feel good to everybody. So what is that?
Starting point is 00:34:06 Do you think it's changing at all? It is because actually my generation, I'm in the 40 to 60, right? So we're actually the first living out gay men ever. You think about what generation before they all died of HIV and AIDS, right? So what you're seeing is you're seeing a lot of people as they're aging, they're out of different they're out of their older relationships, or their erections aren't working so well. So now they're varying into other things. Now, my question is, and you kind of brought it up, which is, when someone comes to my office, and I asked them, and you kind of brought it up, which is when someone comes to my office and I asked them, do you identify gay, straight, bi, whatever?
Starting point is 00:34:49 And then they say, yes. I say, okay, do you engage anally? Do you consider yourself a top, first, bottom, if at all? And most of them are like, oh, well, I'm a top. And then I usually say, well, are you a top because you're just like, that's not my thing? Or are you a top because when you tried to bottom, it was painful, it didn't feel good. And nine times out of 10, all of these tops want to take it up the ass.
Starting point is 00:35:14 That's what I thought. I'm so glad, like in my own research, I'm like, that makes no sense. Why would you only be a top? Right? Feel that. Right. Interesting. That makes so much sense. Why would you only be a top? Right? Feel that. Right. Interesting. That makes so much sense.
Starting point is 00:35:28 Of course. Now, there are definitely going to be people that are like, Hey, I want to do this is who I am. And I and I totally get that and respect that. With that said, though, a lot I and I say, well, what if I were to make bottoming feel really good? What if I make it to the point where like you're like, I like this? Like, would you do it? And they're like, you're like, I like this,
Starting point is 00:35:45 like would you do it? And they're all like, hell yeah, I would do it. I may not do it like all the time, but I would definitely bring it into my world. And then also, you know, we did a couple of research studies on different cities and like, you know, there are definitely cities that have way too many bottoms or have way too many tops. And so like, you know, if you become a little bit more versatile, you could actually kind of change your education. I think you need, cause I've just, I've just been talking to my friends about it and just asking it. So I think, yeah, it's just, we don't have the information.
Starting point is 00:36:20 Maybe it hurt once. Maybe you, maybe there are still, maybe you're gay and there's still some homophobia. Who knows? That's right. We actually got some questions that came in from our listeners that I would love you to help me answer. Okay, this is from Sarah in her 30s in Chicago. Hey Dr. Emily, I started listening a month ago.
Starting point is 00:36:37 I love your show. Thanks for the help. I've learned a lot. Okay, so I have hemorrhoids and I'm wondering does that mean I should never have anal sex? They developed in my 20s I'm about to be 40. They don't flare up much anymore hardly at all, but the skin tags are still there. It's embarrassing I've had some insecurity during sex just at the idea of them being seen. I've thought about having them removed I'm gaining some confidence though
Starting point is 00:36:59 Oh really only recently since I started listening to your show My friend with benefits has shown interest in tickling my butthole when we shower together So I've started to warm up to the idea which I never would have before He hasn't asked for anal sex. He just asked if it feels good when he tickles it I'm not sure if he's seen it. I imagine he has it makes me nervous Is it bad to consider sex if I've had hemorrhoids? So I guess she has skin tags and she's had a history What do you think about this? So I think let's break it down into hemorrhoids first, then skin tags.
Starting point is 00:37:26 OK, great. So hemorrhoids are there for a reason. They're there to protect the ass. So when we're pooping or we're having sex, blood goes into those hemorrhoids, which are these veins, and acts like an airbag. It's like a cushion. And then blood leaves. If we're pushing
Starting point is 00:37:46 too much, if we're constipated, if we're doing heavy lifting, if post pregnancy, the mechanism of blood going and blood leaving can leave you with these extra skin or these hemorrhoids that flare up periodically. Now, if you have hemorrhoids, the key is no, if you're not bleeding, you're not having pain and you feel fine, using toys actually probably helps the hemorrhoids because most of the hemorrhoids happen because your ass is too tight.
Starting point is 00:38:18 And so if you're able to fully relax, those hemorrhoids usually don't flare. So the key component is, yeah, I would say, look, if you have hemorrhoids and they're not bothering you, use some toys with good lubricant and seeing if indeed they become an issue. Some people they will. And it flares up and like, all right, well, then maybe we need to tend to the hemorrhoids. But many people are able to use toys, dilate, stretch, the hemorrhoids. But many people are able to use toys,
Starting point is 00:38:45 dilate, stretch, the hemorrhoids never flare, and they're good to go. So I would say using the toys with lube and going slow. Now, on the sexy side, a lot of people that I see, I do a lot of aesthetic work with how do we make things look prettier? And it's not even on an anal side, because I have so many
Starting point is 00:39:05 women that just are like, Evan, I just feel gross just on a vaginal side, because someone's going to see this or they feel it. And I just get so self conscious. And there's lots of things that I can do to remove the extra skin that's there, aesthetically make it pleasing, plus also if we needed to take care of the hemorrhoid. The key is how do we make people feel sexy and then engage sexually however they want. And that can happen. It's just a matter of making sure that it aligns
Starting point is 00:39:39 with their ultimate goals. Okay, wow, that's great. You can kind of fix anything then really. Skin tag, you can remove skin tag easily, but. Yeah, wow, that's great. You can kind of fix anything then really skin tag. You can remove skin tag easily, but yeah. And a lot of doctors won't remove the skin tags. And it's, you know, I kind of bridged plastic surgery and colorectal and I put it together. These guys, they don't think that skin tags are a problem.
Starting point is 00:39:59 You know, they don't have the concept of like, well, just ignore it. Well, wait a second. I feel it every time I walk. I'm trying to wear a G string for a sexy night and I feel them and they're rubbing. I mean, all these things I know men and women can be an issue and the answer is like, well, it shouldn't be an issue and there are solutions that are out there. Yeah. And now they have a place to go and feel safe to talk about it because no one wants to go into their doctor
Starting point is 00:40:25 and say, I've got a skin tag in my anus. You must be busy. You really must be. Okay, this is from Shannon, 29 in Texas. And she says, hi, Dr. Emily. I have a male friend who really wants to experience anal, but he had his colon removed. And he says his doctor said he can't have anal sex.
Starting point is 00:40:43 What are your thoughts on this? Is there any possibility for him to experience anal pleasure? So it's a little bit of a complicated question because I don't know when they had the colon removed which portion of the colon was removed and did they put this person back together. So now there are definitely people that I treat that had colon resections that do engage anally and they can. It really depends upon how they were put back together.
Starting point is 00:41:11 If it was, let's say a rectal tumor and they remove that portion, when they put people back together, there's a staple line or a suture line very close into the ass. And so sometimes they're prohibitive of doing anal. With that said, a lot of times there's certain things that I can do to help to make sure that one, that the suture line is exactly what it should be, strong enough to engage anally. We talk about different practices
Starting point is 00:41:41 of making sure that they're prepared because if they lose a portion of their colon, sometimes they're have a little bit more diarrhea, and they can't hold their stools. So we talk on using Imodium or tincture of opium or certain things to kind of slow their gut down so that they can engage anally the way that they want to. I think that, you know, this is the typical straight doctor who is like, ah, you know, who the fuck, you don't need anal sex. I shouldn't be doing that shit anyway. You know what I'm saying? And the answer is no. He needs to
Starting point is 00:42:17 be evaluated. There needs to be discussions to make sure that we're doing everything safely. But if somebody wants something up their ass They should be able to do it. Yes have them call me or email We do a lot of stuff from all over okay to try to see if if they're able to do what they want Okay, well have a reach out. All right. Here's another question Alison 24 in Georgia dear. Dr. Emily my boyfriend. I want to try anal sex. Neither of us have ever experienced with it. I know there are anal kits, toys, and loops for anal sex, but where do we start? What are your tips and suggestions for beginners? Yeah, so I think that it's great if both want to be involved in it and the more the merrier.
Starting point is 00:42:58 I think that the key, like we said prior, was understanding the anatomy. Understanding how do you gradually work with different sets of toys at bespokesurgical.com. We talk a lot about the protocols. Also, it'll in our shop have different lubricants that we think are really important with loop shooters, and also these dilating kits. And it goes over certain toys that I like and why I like them. And it gives people just an understanding of the right way to start out. And again, it's a good four to six weeks, and using this as foreplay to see first off if you really enjoy it. And if you do, great, keep going.
Starting point is 00:43:39 Most people, once you finish the four to six weeks, you're up to about the medium to large toy toy and then you can definitely start getting into anal. So check out the website and then obviously if they you know if they if there's more questions I'm totally available. Okay good I love that okay there's one more question I have for you because I I want to know about your study you did on your site people can find it at bespokesurgical.com about the most popular sex positions based on Google searches by state. So people love sex positions, they want to know and I was just interested to find out like what are we doing in California, right? So we're doing the cliff diver, which I don't even know what I I guess it looks familiar and then like okay
Starting point is 00:44:22 so you're you I don't know what tell me about the impetus for the survey and what went into it. What do we need to know about sex positions across America? Yeah. I think that we do a lot of different studies and campaigns as it relates to sex. We want to know what are the favorite positions, what about different toys from different bondage to different sexual positions and bondage to different, you know, sexual positions and different components to this. And so we run usually about four or five
Starting point is 00:44:50 campaigns a year. And we do a lot of really interesting studies to try to figure out across the country or across the world, how do we start and it's all to kind of really destigmatize sex. And it's also interesting to see like in certain locations where it's really, really what you would think is like back country and nobody's engaging, where you start to say, Oh, holy God, like, this is crazy. And you start to really develop an understanding that everybody is into anal and everybody is into sex. And now the key is, well, okay, it's all well and good behind closed doors, but how do we start bringing it to the forefront so that people are exposed?
Starting point is 00:45:35 And hopefully over time, really the stigma and the taboo starts to diminish. Yeah. There's a rise in anal engagement. You might as well do it correctly and let's minimize your pain and enhance your pleasure, which is what you're all about. Totally, totally. I think we spoke of obviously kind of the before, we spoke of the play of positions and lubricants and then kind of the aftercare. I think it's so interesting when you look at like people do so much for their face, right? In terms of facials and exfoliants and all these things. Well, the same thing should happen anally. You know, one thing I think I want all you listeners to know
Starting point is 00:46:12 is wet wipes are terrible for you. Now, so many people... Why? Why? I did not know that. Well, people are like, screw Goldstein, I'm going to use these wet wipes. All wipes? Tell me why. Couple of things. One is when you think just moisture in general, that area is already too moist, too wet. Because it's where the sun doesn't shine. There's sweat that happens.
Starting point is 00:46:38 We're sitting all day. We're usually clothed. So when you're using wipes, a couple of things happen. One is the solution gets rid of the good bacteria. So again, we spoke of that microbiome, there's a balance. We have good and bad bacteria. And when you use wet wipes, what happens is you're getting rid of the good protective bacteria. So you see a lot of irritation from fungus to even like a herpes outbreak or these sores, even in my community, I start to see a lot of HPV and anal warts just from these wipes. And most people are using them,
Starting point is 00:47:15 look, the companies do so well in advertising and everyone's like, oh my God, I wanna be so clean. But what you see is all of these complications from that. And so we speak a lot of, you know, toilet paper popping into the shower, bidets, less of that chemical. And even if they say, oh, you know, it's chemical free, it's natural. Well, no, it's not. It's moisture and the cloth that people are using. People are irritated in and of itself on that aspect. So you just got to be super careful with the wipe stuff. You know, periodically once here
Starting point is 00:47:51 and there is not a huge deal. Right. But it's the regular usage of that that causes. Some people have them instead of toilet paper. They just have that. That's right. Don't do that. Okay. Even your anus, how about your vagina as well? So same component to it. You know, the thing is that when we wipe with wipes, people are like, oh great, I'm clean. And then they pull up their underwear and it's not dry. And so that moisture sits there all day and causes issues. So ditch the wipes.
Starting point is 00:48:21 I read all about you and I've heard about you and I think you're doing amazing work. And I feel like you've such a great niche here with the people and it's our AIDIT. Like everyone has one. Like the fact that you're creating such these great products for everybody is really incredible. So congrats on all of your success. Oh, thank you.
Starting point is 00:48:38 Thank you for being here. I have to ask you the five quickie questions we ask all of our guests. So just quick answers, ready? Biggest turn on. Biggest turn on. Smooth. Smooth.
Starting point is 00:48:49 Biggest turn off. Hair. No hair. What makes good sex? Oh God, what makes good sex? I think foreplay. Something you tell your younger self about sex and relationships.
Starting point is 00:49:03 Shit, I made so many errors as I was going through this. Just be true to who you are. Okay, what's the number one thing you wish everyone knew about sex? That anal sex shouldn't be painful and that it should be 100% pleasurable and the world should accept anal into their hearts. We still have so much work to do, but I, but I thank you. I mean, oh my God, I listened to what you're doing out there. So congrats on all of that. Thank you. Thanks for taking the time to support my mission and cause.
Starting point is 00:49:38 And if you need anything, you know, forward, any questions pop up. Yeah, totally. I'm all about it. I'm all about where can we kind of throw out your site, but where else, where can people find you? Just let us show the best places. So Bespoke Surgical on all the Instagram, Facebook handles or bespokesurgical.com, Future Method, futuremethod.com, and then the future method on Instagram.
Starting point is 00:50:01 And then I kind of do anal and my family life with my partner. We have two twin boys together and that's on Dr. Dr. Evan Goldstein on Instagram handle. Okay. Great. Thank you for being here. I so appreciate you. Oh, thank you. Thank you. That's it for today's episode. Thanks for listening to Sex with Emily and be sure to like subscribe and give us a review wherever you listen to the podcast and share this with That's it for today's episode. Thanks for listening to Sex with Emily and be sure to like, subscribe, and give us a review wherever you listen to the podcast and share this with a friend or a partner.
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