Sex With Emily - Best Of: Sex With Loveline Hosts Dr. Drew & Mike Catherwood

Episode Date: December 26, 2018

On today’s throwback show, Emily is joined by Dr. Drew Pinsky and Mike Catherwood, the dynamic hosts from the late Loveline radio show, and they talked sex, relationships and Loveline over the years! The iconic trio talk about tips to make a marriage successful, ways to build your confidence back up to start dating again, and what male preoccupation with penis size is really all about. Plus, they discuss Tinder (oh how it’s changed since 2014), body image, and masturbation. Happy holidays, lovers! Thanks for supporting our sponsors who help keep the show FREE: Magic Wand, Fleshlight, SiriusXM, Apex, Good Vibrations Follow Emily on all social: @sexwithemily Follow Dr. Drew on Twitter: @drdew Follow Mike Catherwood on Twitter: @mikecatherwood For even more sex advice, tips & tricks, visit: sexwithemily.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Hey everyone, thanks for listening to Tonight's Show. My guests are Dr. Drew Pinsky and Michael Catharwood, the host of the nationally syndicated show Love Line. They do a lot of advice five nights a week about dating, sex, and relationship. So tonight we're going to hear their best tips and how they practice them in their personal lives. Like how to keep sex alive in a long-term relationship and answer some of your questions as well. Now this is going to be good, all on tonight's show. [♪ music playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in Boyfriend because my man E here. He just got his heart broken. He thinks you're kind of cute. The girls got a hair stand. Oh my. The women know about shrinkage. Isn't it common? What do you mean like laundry? It shrinks. Can we not talk about sex so much? Are you kidding me? Oh my god. I'm so, so, so, so. Being bad feels pretty good. You know, Emily's not the kind of girl you just play with. You're listening to Sex with Emily. We're talking about sex relationships and everything in between.

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People tell me so it must be true, right? And that's what you should do. And I'm here with Anderson. I'm here with Anderson. I'm here with Anderson. I missed you the other night. K-Rock Christmas. I know.

Where were you? Were you backstage blowing every single musician? Why is everyone think I'm always giving out blow jobs as my start? It's an easy, low-hanging fruit joke. I apologize. Really? I got my Catholic right here.

He's one of our guests and I would like to comment on that. Did you see me giving blow jobs at K-D? I did not. I saw you looking beautiful and having a great time. Oh, thank you. I was a great time. Cheers, Anne.

I did, actually. Emily looked great. Thank you. It was a really good time. That was fun. You got to meet my wife, which is. I know. I love it because I only met your wife

when she was like nine months pregnant for like two seconds in the love line studio. That's right. And she's awesome. She's funny. Yeah, she's pretty solid. She puts up with you and you guys are good. We're going to talk about that tonight.

Okay. A little bit of that. Your relationship and all that. Okay. So this has been a crazy week. Had so many alley parties and work my head spinning. Seriously. What?

Anderson, you look shocked. I'm never shocked with like you party and going out. What do you talk about? Everyone thinks I do, but I don't all the time. Well, no, you actually I tell people that you don't have much of a social life. You need more because actually people are always asking very often people are asking me. Uh, if you're available. Oh, yeah, I'm interested.

I'm. And I say I'm not her. I said go talk to her yourself. Do there are some numbers if they're cute. Uh, for those of you who can't see the U stream. I Emily looks very cute right now. I'm a... Santa hat. It's our Christmas show and I'm Jewish, but I've never wanted a Santa hat and I'm so excited. It's becoming. You should move to a place

where that's just like the style. It looks good on you. Like a knuckle or something. Is that where it's a style? Emily's wearing a Santa hat and eating pork. So she could break away from her. Exactly. But I'm also holding sex toys. So I could be struck down, you know, what I'm saying. So, okay, this is Mike Catlerwood. He's here. Mike is the co-host of Love Line. And I talked about you a little earlier at the beginning, but Mike, I've been on it working with you. I'm Love Line. It's Ron Binam Airford 30 years. 34, I believe. 34? Really? Yeah. Okay, and you and Mike, I've got got to like bio here for you, which bios are so lame because you could say it's

so much better, but sometimes, everything. Sometimes it's crazy. Sometimes it's crazy and how, in different people are to creating bios because they're just nonsense. And other times I'm like, shock, I'm like, wow, that's pretty accurate. I can't believe, I don't, for instance, my Wikipedia, I had never seen it until I didn't know there was one until like about a year ago and I read it and I was like, this is

spot on. And like stuff like my mom's background, my dad's background, like where they're from and how they, like their parents and it was all true. Everything in there was like totally spot on. That's good. Because some people go in and go crazy to like, that's not true. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was, it was a little bit nuts, but also at the same time, I started to think, well, who wrote that?

Like who in my life? You're crazy fans, because you've been, you know, but my friends, like people who would know that, I know, but my friends, like close friends of me that would know certain little details that are in there would not write that because if they did, it would be all like Mike has a small dick and Mike is a little bit. Oh, you would write you a small dick. No, no, no, no, no, no, I'm just saying I know my friends that are close enough to me to know that kind of stuff.

But they would never have to. But they don't have to use Wikipedia because Wikipedia, you have to be like Wikipedia certified. I think to use Wikipedia, not anyone, everyone go in and edit their stuff. But I guess so there is must be some really passionate Mike Catherwood fan who knows a lot of stuff because like I said, there's like family stuff in there that I was like, it was totally accurate. I thought you'd Google it, I figured it out. But you know, you've been on the air, okay, so radio,

television personality, well-known masturbation advocate. That's true. I added that part. I really am though. I know, you're really, you're really, and you're really articulate about it and you share when you masturbate. Well, I just think a lot of times, even non-sexual stuff, young men, especially are, they're so driven by their pent up kind of sexual frustrations,

that I think that like masturbating frequently, not too frequently, obviously, understanding, understanding But masturbating at least daily really kind of regulates some of those weird decisions that men make for the sake of having sex or getting sexual activity. I was like, it's kind of like how women are like go shopping on Zappos or something at night. Right, no, but guys are just as guilty. I mean, if I say, Shopping on Zappos.

Well, if you have $30,000 in the bank and you're like, I'm gonna go buy a $60,000 car and figure out how to how to lease it and leverage myself to it. I go beat off first and like, free think that. Like think it's like, you may be fueled by the desire to get laid or the desire. And I'm like, just don't. If you're sexting with a girl and you and you have a girlfriend that's, you know, asleep in the other room, like go beat off and then think about sexting and like, so you use it as like a decision making tool.

Well, yeah, I think it, I think it kind of regulates a lot of your impulses. No, I think it's true. I think it's totally natural. We talk about this in the show a lot that people just don't, a lot of women. And I was like that. I didn't understand why my boyfriend and my, I was like 24. I'm like, we're having an amazing, you know, you think, it's a bust sex in my life.

Like, why is he always watching porn? Why is he, you know, I thought that I wasn't fulfilling him, which is a lot of women believe that. But okay, there's a few things I have to say first, before we, before we chat. And the most important thing is that you have to follow me on Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram. So it's all sex with Emily across the board

and you should totally be following me, because it's fun. My post on God, they and Instagram. So it's all sectionally across the board. And you should totally be following me, because it's fun. My post on God, they're good. I get your newsletter. I follow you on Twitter and Instagram. Thank you, Mike. I appreciate it. I'm pretty sure we're friends on Facebook.

I'm pretty sure we are. I don't know, because I don't really apply. It takes a while. Like I know that you don't usually, like, you probably, like, you know, not friends with everybody, but I was, uh, I just don't know. I don't do, I put any effort into my Facebook. I have no idea who my friends are.

I have no idea what's on there I've got a page though. I've got like a Facebook page and That's like the most important thing I have to say and here's Dr. Drew Dr. Drew's here. Hi Dr. Drew Hey Emily looking good. He's burgundy shirt More of a low Test test here we go Christmas. Oh, thank you. Show up now. If you want Susan duck I know you're part of the tribe to yes. I don't I don't I don't dress like Santa

The haga story. This is my first time ever wearing a hot uh, uh, uh, sure it is. It looks natural I know. Well Emily actually like went sometimes in certain outfits. You're very jui But then other times other key in your very goi. This is very gory. Wait a minute. What? Yeah Well Christmas happen. When am I jui? I wear all black. I know. I very good. This is very good. Wait a minute. Yeah, well, the Christmas hat, but when am I a Jewie? I wear all black, I'm okay. No, no, I know, but that is very uptown New York, like Jewish chick. Kind of, you have that sexy Jewish professional chick.

Look, a lot. But then other times I look at you, I'm like, she could be a fucking Ruka from like East LA. When is that? When is that? True, a while. Every once in a while, yeah. Jew, agree.

You've seen her, Drew and her in her camel toe Cheetah pants and stuff. I've cameled, I do not, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like,

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Are you into like, this is like my favorite brand and this is good, this is good. That's good stuff. I know it's expensive. She knows what she's doing. She knows what she's doing. Are you real into like makeup, not makeups, but like face creams and that type of thing?

You know, well yeah, I mean, I like it. Because you look very young. Oh, thank you. For your makeup, not makeups, but face creams and that type of thing? You know, well, yeah. I mean, I like it. Because you look very young. Oh, thank you. For your visit my wife's bathroom. It's a full, not only a store, but a museum dedicated to creams and makeup. Yeah, we need a lot of that. And bikinis.

It tells the thing, there's a museum of bikinis. Oh, your wife, so we were on the Goonabeeach. And she's amazing. Oh, yeah, I remember you guys, swing or party from the last. Yeah, it was so I know. It was kind of weird. I was like, really? I'm you went like no we're all friends. It's totally cool on chill Like pie sure it really get my like like Drew really I Hypnotize the boats. I don't I don't think that Drew would

I Drew never would it would get along Your gun is well I just know I know for a fact that you don't engage in swinging with Drew because you walk correctly. Oh, stop it. If you engage with sex with Drew, you'd be all bolegged. I mean, you are just big zeg of the same good. Oh, yeah. No, you'd actually you're like to be closer together. Are you in? Are you in? Are you in? Are you in? Are you actually pretty sure legs closer? It's somehow. My penis is so small. We're going to get to that later. But yeah, so your wife among many things, very talented. She host her podcast, calling

out Susan Pinsky, but she also happens to be a bikini expert because she worked at a bikini shop. We go first matter. Yep, that's right. And so we went bikini shopping one day. It was like Memorial Day, Labor Day, whatever, Labor Day. Was it Labor Day? Labor Day.

Yeah. And everything's in sale, all right? We're going to beach. And so we went into this bikini shop and I just, she just sat there with me and I tried and she said, nope, yes, your ass looks bad. You're out like she just knew, like yes, no it off your wrong and she was pulling on like there was a Thousands of people she knew and I bought like five bikinis and they were all amazing I you can't do then your own as a woman because the girls are like so good on you and they don't

She's like no take it off. No like she was like like the bikini not and then she sounds like me sounds like me I'm going to buy suits with my friends. I know. I always like those little pebbles are too big for you, dude. You're not tall enough. You need thin lapels. You got to match your tie to it. My friends are going to think it's my thing.

No, everyone needs a friend like that. I don't have that in my life. Susan, I should go shopping with her. OK, so well, you're both here now. So we'll just I'll do my little intro. If people don't, I'm assuming unless people have been under a rock, they've heard of love line. It's been around for 30 years. I'll do my little intro. If people don't, I'm assuming, unless people have been under Iraq, they've heard of Loveline.

It's been around for 30 years. He's at 34, Mike. 83. Okay. 31. I really don't do math, actually. It makes me feel like I had a- It'll be 32, exactly, like January 3rd, right?

Isn't that when he started? January? All I know is I remember New Year's Eve 1984, and it was a Sunday. And it wasn't even New Year's Eve It was actually New Year's Day because they'll never do the Rose Parade on a Sunday Right, so New Year's Day was Sunday and the show was Sunday night and the second was The parade right and I remember having to get in through the parade track

Into the K-Rock and Pasadena and it was and I'd been doing it a few months at that time So I probably started the summer of 83 Don't start me around don't start me about New Year's Eve in the fucking Rose Prairie. Yeah, yeah Oh, I got a visit. I want to pass it as all well become visit I know because I'm going and I'm going to Florida my mom. Dude. My mom is not the Jewish guilt type at all I wish some as I think it would have been better. She had any Do anything that showed that she means she cares But she was like whatever have fun go to San Francisco If you don't like it, it'll come back. You can take some

of my moms. She's going to help. She called me and said, you know, I'm not getting any, you know, I'm not getting any younger. She's in Florida. Not getting any younger. I'm like, really? I could die soon. You guys would love my mom. She's like, you know, I'm not kidding about I'm not going to be around forever. You should come to Florida. Yeah, she is. She looks amazing. She's 71. Where? I'll I'll fuck she is a place in Sarasota Dude you probably would who wouldn't you fuck if you weren't married But I just even even as five minutes when you weren't married even as if I if you knew me when I was married. I definitely fuck you That would have made for good show come on talk about it. That I listen to and listen. How do you know I would have fucked you? You would have.

Really? I'll let small penis talk. OK. Drew, Drew, from what you know of me, as a man who knows me very well on and off the air, and especially knew me during the time of activity. Post first marriage. If Emily was like a part of Love Line, the way she is now,

and during say like 2008, honestly, as a betting man, what would you say with the chances I'd have sex with it would be? I'd more be wondered why it wouldn't. Right? Yeah, like it's a way of it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And so although it appears we didn't I know this little minute. She's deeply turned off by the small penis. I'm kidding. It's a joke because that's actually something we're gonna, she might have taken Morpheus. We've got the body to small fiat. We know we're being the fat.

And it ain't, right, it ain't got me too. What? His dick Morpheus. And then Mike always talks about having a small penis, small penis, and I don't really, you only show it to us. Yeah, people do not think about the fact that the male preoccupation with penis size,

penis shape, penis shape, penis, whatever is a form of body dysmorphia very often. Right. It's sort of two manifestations. One is when men have low self-esteem, they have low self-esteem when they're just not feeling good about their place in the world. You know, young men, particularly, who am I, what am I going to do? They start preoccupying about their penis size.

It becomes sort of a surrogate symbol for their bigness, their worth. That makes sense with me. Yeah. But as a syndrome, I'm just reading about it the other day and I realize I've seen this a number of times. These guys, in fact, we had a guest in here at the start of Eric Andre, basically how it goes,

is they start worrying about STDs. They get a little irritation and go, oh, I've got one, I've got one. They see dermatologist, urologist, dermatologist, u're all just like four or five of them. And then they'll come to a generalist like me because they get sort of dismissed and blown off by all the specialists. And they'll go, look, there's a shiny spot. There's a little spot. Do you see the irritation? It's, it's driving me crazy. So awful. And you can't see a damn thing. There's nothing there. They've tried all kinds of steroid creams and everything

doesn't help. And you put them on an SSRIRI Which by the way works for all body dysmorphias and and think goes way immediately goes away immediately You know you have the success I have that becomes their obsession but there's a lot of this has a room in nations We talked about how drew I speaking of SSRI so I'm gonna go ahead and eat you okay that call tonight. No Well listen to this I ordered see you can see I made your last one refillable I you see I made his call. Okay. I made it. I made it. Uh, did you want to call that? I made my prescription from Express scripture They sent me seven fucking pills. Oh, what is it?

That means they're not gonna cover it. Oh fine. I've been all paid, but either way just send me my goddamn Education. Yeah, you need it. What is it? The rest is alright. Both of them. Can we get him something? Yeah, I've been getting him across the truth. It's a real doctor. He just calls in a prescription and so for me. And I go and I'll pay. You just play one on TV.

Right. But here's the thing with my body this morning, which all kidding aside, goes much larger than like the way I look at my penis. It was it. I mean, I really was. It was so crippling that in my first marriage in the early 2000s, I would shower with a shirt on. I take my shirt off when I got in the shower because I would possibly walk by a mirror. So I mean, I had a really bad body as Morphea. When did it start? What age? Junior high school. Okay. That sounds about right. Wow.

And you never got naked in front of anyone. Oh, no. Not unless it was for, not unless for comedy. Even when you were like jacked up on steroids? Oh, no, not unless it was for, not unless for his comedy. Even when you were like jacked up on steroids and stuff? Yeah, even I was actually probably worse. What don't you always say that? I think I found like a little comfort zone, like maybe like sophomore year in high school before, like right before I'd only get out,

you would get out and pose down in a fucking, yeah, but I honestly did that. You can't really like a snow suit if you're a bodybuilder. I know, but I did that as a way to like, like common say one of my one of my therapists thought it would be like a good idea Like to like trial by fire like to take steroids. Thank you No, I don't think she was aware of how Ridiculous is that that she didn't know because I don't think most people drew like you have a such not only a working knowledge of

Of like muscle building and like strength training because of your own personal like. Just more or better exercise. Believe me, Jack, that's just like very good and very. What else? We just call our issues out. But not only that, you're a doctor. So I think that you, I mean, you understand that human beings don't grow 30 pounds of muscle

in a year. It just doesn't happen. Unless you, but she's like, that was a main issue for me when I was in my first marriage because a lot of other stuff got when my wife left me, my first wife left me, then I started focusing on other things. Like the body is more of you, almost got better by virtue of not paying attention to it. But during the time when we were married, that was my main focus when I was going to therapy, was like trying to deal with me.

And you hadn't focused on it before in therapy. No, no. Okay, because it really like it was kind of something that you just were in your mind. Yeah, because well, because I was, you hadn't talked to anyone about in therapy. I think it hit a, I think it hit an apex during my first marriage because my body is morphed, it became so much more clear

because I was also sober. Right. You know, when I got married, when I got married to my first wife, I was three or four years sober. Okay. So by that time I started to kind of a lot of things in my life became more clear. When I was 19 and had bad body this morning,

I just do Coke and everything went away. All this morning. All this morning. So now you're dealing with that, but do you feel like it's getting bad? Do you think you're making progress in it? Do you have any jokes about the spa peep? Besides.

But is it still crippling? It's still uncomfortable. Like I surf a lot. And when I take up my wetsuit, if it's hot enough where I'm not swimming. You could be like, I'm in the pool. Remember that side fold? That was a strength anyway.

What? Do you remember that? I was in the pool. You want to hear a little joke about that? I think you say, you've just taken the wetsuit off in public for your penis. Oh, I think, okay, I was just saying, like seeing my physique is a thing.

Like, I do a lot of photo shoots, not a lot, but I've done photo shoots in my life when I was on Dancing with the Stars or when I was in certain magazines. And they're like, hey, Mr. Muscleman, go ahead and take that shirt off so we can get that shot. And I was like, you gotta be fucking kidding me. And I'd be like, to real photographers for like,

details. I'd be like, I'd be like I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, So that was just reason he was leading to the SSR. Yeah, right. Okay. So now you're on SSR eyes for depression and the body. And and and a late benefit. You better get him tonight for him. A latent benefit has been that I've I've really found my

stride. At least I'm a lot better than I've ever been before with the body is more of you. It really works very well. We're markly well. Okay. So this is what I got to give my little like I'm okay. I assume most people know who you guys are, but just in case.

No, most people don't know who I am. Most people probably know Drew. Yeah, that's true. Okay, but Dr. Drew, okay, so love lines been on for 30 some years. And there's been a few other hosts like Adam Corolla, people I know of, and now it's Mike Catharwood, and you guys are awesome, and it's been an honor

and kind of a dream to be on the show with you guys. Once a week, I guess, guest co-hosts on Thursday nights, it's fun, and you're both here. We love that family there. Yes, we do really. I'm glad because I love being there. Like I really do. It's hard for me from a broadcasting standpoint but as a personal and professional level it's the best. Why? Because no one has worse Tourette's than Dr. Drew except maybe Emily Morris and I'll be like here's the number to call in to my call in radio show. 1-800- But here comes the gift. Give me a gift.

And then Drew jumps in and then like, wait, can I just wait, give out the number at least? Look at his Instagram now. I know. It's OK. I'm sorry. But we're up for something visual in the room. This should start talking about it.

Emily, look, it's a picture of Elvis. You're like on Instagram surfing the hot chicks all the time. But at least I got my fucking mouth shut. OK, so listen. So you guys and also you've both been married, happily 25 years, 23 years, okay, triplets, who are 21, weight kit, 22, right, 22, great kids,

and Mike, two years married. Just two years, last week, two years. I saw your picture on Instagram, it was on. And then I'm like, the personal consultant to one of my sons. Yeah, that's right. I am. Oh, he's like, you know, he's like, you're a mad genius. Like you're a magician.

I was texting him just advice and college. I know which, I know which son it is. If he said those words, he's awesome. Like, because he gives the other son, would say that you go through. Good. No, he's awesome. I love, I love, well, I don't know why you're kids, but I'm so. You're a mad genius.

Oh, I can't believe how much it helped me. That's one son. Dude, he's like, dude, dude, I'm right. I don't know if I should say this. I can't believe how much it helped me That's one son I know I'm right. I should say this. I can't begin to express my I won't say no, don't say it. I'm just saying like once I can't begin to express I'm grateful I have for the close to deal that we're working on okay After with women no, you know, I think you know, please speaking of anal We're gonna get into them because okay, so that's Emily's book no, please speaking of anal. Yeah, we're going to get into them because okay, so love Emily's book he's speaking of anal speaking of anal.

I said a bad title. Okay, so love lines amazing. You could listen to it five minutes a week. You could download podcasts all that stuff. Okay, so and then Drew, HLN, you're all over the place. Teen moms, somebody we have, they recognize you. Drew's really becoming one of the picture like, like really one of the main faces of not only HLM but like

the CNN company as a whole. He should be so many. We're going to be two thousand fifteen is going to be important year for that show. Yeah. What's going to get audience in there?

It's going to be really cool. That is going to be very close. Everyone should check that out. Starting to hire Latinos. Mike, if you don't know who Mike is, you're on there sometimes. He's going to be out a lot. I want freaks out, right?

Because Mike is not like Mike is a good counter to you. He's not HLM material. No, but we've not seen him a truly is HLM in terms of where they want HLM to go. Right. So it's good. I'm not HLM material in that most of the people that get mad at me are fucking idiots. And it's a lot of times he'll bring panelists on that like a fan. He doesn't agree with you as an idiot no no not at all but don't you do things that like freaky people out again in the middle of the show like Sam his co-hosts yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah the big Mike has an obsession with big penises pic photos that he sends around I've actually moved beyond that

it's more to gaped right Drew that's my where's my phone I didn't you like do something a video because because Susan Pancy come that's because Michael has a video that he's showing tonight of his daughter saying anal gaping. He's staring. She's only a few months old. She's probably not really saying it. It's not funny, is that bad, Stella?

Anyway, Susan told me it must be true, but Mike, okay, so 10 years you won Kevin Bean, very popular LA Morning Show, cycle Mike, AKA, and then Love Line four years ago, and you were also in dancing with the stars. I mean, it'll be five this part is that he's really. Yeah, I can't believe it. I really have flown by and then my favorite part

of dancing with the stars that you slept with everyone in the show. I was Google it and you defensive, in defense of the married women on the show. I didn't sleep with everyone. I slept with a considerable amount of girls. Yeah, so that was pretty awesome. And also if you want to find out Twitter and Instagram,

you're at that. What is the number I've never asked you that? Dancers or a people total? Yeah, from the production. Six. Okay, that's how I was. How long were you there? I was not, I was voted for offer.

I know you were all first, but he was too busy boning to get over the dancing. Do you think that if you spent more time practicing the moves, you might have run used to you right now too, if you wanted to do anything. Do you think that you would have maybe would have voted off second sex aside. I think if I would have like really applied myself more, I could have done that because you weren't taking it seriously. I didn't take it seriously at all.

In fact, I in fact, I went out of my way to not because I felt it's so sounds so crazy. Like back then when I was young, but that was only like three, four years ago, but I just had a different view of it. I thought it wouldn't, it somehow wouldn't be cool. You like a self-hating dance, right? No, it's like, it wouldn't be cool if I tried hard. If I really learned the moves,

that wouldn't be punk rock and cool. So I just, like, I had this attitude where it's like, I knew I was the least popular guy. I had the least amount of fame So that already was like really working against me. No, that's true. You could have like Swap out of the dance floor and kick the ass just cuz you weren't well known Even if even if I was the greatest dancer in the history that show I wouldn't have beat like And the producer you banged and then you banged the her assistant was probably like he's off and they like rigged it

Yeah, no girl The girls that I was lucky enough to make love to not powerful enough to kick me off the show. Okay, got it. Let's mark. Okay, so love line. How did you guys meet? Oh, we met you that years ago, right? You mean, me because we both are from the Pasadena area and Drew was at the time like a huge fixture in the recovery community there because he was working in a, he's working the addiction medicine department of a past government. Yeah, it was German of the program.

And so that ended once being that being my home neighborhood and then also me getting finally getting clean and sober there. 12 years. Yeah, yeah, 12, a little over 12 years. Okay, so that's when you met when you were getting sober. Yeah. Wow, he treated you sort of. Can we talk about that? No, 12 years. Okay, so that's when you met when you were getting so much. Yeah, he's actually that wow, he treated you sort of. Can we talk about that?

No, of course. Yeah. Wow, so Mike, my character with detoxing the whole thing must have been. He has to tell that story. Not me. Okay, right, we're going to talk about that. But this is what I want to know. So then you guys came together, did love line.

And so, and I'm going to, I just want to ask you both. What, no, first I have Drew. Um, who's your favorite co-host, Ben? Mike, of course. Well, if Emily were regular fixture, I'd be Emily. Okay, good answer. Okay, Ben? Mike, of course. Well, if Emily were a regular fixture, I'd be able to handle it. Okay, good answer. Okay, so I just want to know,

I mean, 30 years on Loveline and you've even been here for five, and you listen to Loveline because you used to print a column or like 12. He was through the, you're like the Corolla years. Right, I've loved him.

Those were the golden era for me. But I want to know what you guys think of, of how, what has changed in sex and relationship in the last few years? All right, so a lot has changed. When I began, I initially began really what motivated me was HIV and AIDS. Neither terms had been coined yet by the way at the time. We were still calling it gay-related, a testicle disease syndrome.

We were grids. We were still like 87, even. We just began to tolerate AIDS. We did not have a causative agent. The term safe sex hadn't been coined yet. I'm sorry to interrupt but before Grids wasn't there a time it was actually called the gay flu there was a time with they they didn't know what the hell yeah they had all kinds of names and all

kinds of ideas about it and when I was that's a good band name yeah but I hit the the gay flu they were starting called AIDS and we were just putting people in the ground hand over fist I thought oh god and nobody was talking to young people there was still a sense in this country. We just been through the sexual revolution. And nobody thought that adolescents would follow in the footsteps of the adults. Well, adolescents are not to have sex.

They don't even discuss it with them. No, don't discuss it with them. That's a dope. Why do you consider adolescents when you're talking about this? I just want to want. And I was like, hey, fuck that. I know what people are doing. I haven't seen it all the way through high school,

and I'm in college, and I'm in medical school. This is not something that just started. Young people are engaged in sexual activity, and they need to know about this thing. Because it's not gonna just, people were convinced it was just a gay phenomenon at the time, and I was clear to me. It was infectious disease.

So that's what got you in here, but then the call started coming in. Well, it got me in, and that's mostly what kept me here. I was clear to me it was infectious. So that's what got you in here, but then the call started coming in when we got me in and that's mostly what kept me here was God was once a week with Sunday nights midnight to three in the morning. And I stay a week one night a week at day and hour two and it's got popular fast and we sort of moved to 10 to one at one point. And I wouldn't stay all three hours typically I would just I just thought it was important to pump out this information. I did it. About six.

Six. And that a term that have been coined you and condoms. See what kind of condoms were kind of behind the camera. Yeah, I guess so embarrassing. Yeah, I did line up and ask the pharmacist to get you the condom. And I was advocating this and no one was talking about it. And over the course of two years it went from like, what the hell do you think you're doing to it being all doctors need to do this now?

And it was a very difficult time for me. That's why I didn't use my last name. I didn't tell anybody. I was doing it. I was very secretive about it. It was fun and interesting and different. I did it for 10 years for free. I thought I was doing community service.

I'm going to show a popular right away. Pretty fast. There's just nothing. I mean, serious people have tried. I tried. I kicked off the right. No. My shorty, no, but I'm kidding.

I didn't try to copy that mine's different. But, love line, no one else has been able to come up against it. I mean, you people have tried. I tried, I kicked off the radio. No, my shorty, no, but I'm kidding. I didn't try to copy that mine's different, but love line, no one else has been able to come up against. I mean, you really, yeah, we know what that we, I, well, it's the only place that everyone grew up on it. That's how that people learned about sex because there's nowhere else in there. No, there's other places and other people, hold on. There's other people places and other people have tried.

The truth is, and I hate to say it with him here, there's no one can do, no one can do the clinical aspect of it the way Drew can. He's the best at it. There's no one can do, no one can do the clinical aspect of it the way Drew can. He's the best at it. There's no, it's absolutely, no one's in that ballpark because, there's plenty of people who can give you the clinical backing to all sorts of syndromes and diseases.

There's plenty of people who are very entertaining on the radio and do it in a compelling and listenable way. There's nobody like Drew who can do both. Right, he's both, exactly. That's why you've been here. So what else is, like anal sex, no, no, that was that. So that was that was that.

And through that decade, it was sort of a naive notion that I remember back when Dr. Ruth was telling people how to have good sex. And I was like, no, people don't know how to have good sex. They don't understand how not to get pregnant, how not to get STDs. And it was a naive time. And there was no internet.

There's no place for young people to go to get information. STDs. Sex education is abysmal. And America. Listen, and in the infectious disease and the reproductive health stuff, infectious disease behind this veneer of this is veneerial diseases. Ugh. And no one had any sense of what these things were, what the different names were, what they

meant, what they look like. They knew nothing. It was amazing. It just absolutely nerds. Did you know that you'd have to go back and study? Because you know, I saw the time of clinics. Right. There was so much, there was a lot out there then.

And I was just, that's what I was pushing, pushing, pushing. STDs and birth control. That's sort of what I was really. That's how it all started being. And then it went from that after about 15 years to more of the trauma stuff started emerging. The trauma, trauma, trauma people. it became increasingly clear that people were acting out the traumas, but it wasn't as pervasive as it is now. It was just starting to kind of serve as people

making bad choices and relationships and they're having compulsive reenactments and that part got into it. And the information was starting to come from different places so it was trying to straighten people out and more about relationships and really dealing with the consequences of not such good family, healthy family systems. Right.

Which that's kind of the same now. But now it's smell down now. Now it's horrible family systems and horrible trauma. And it's a good. You think that families are born worse? Oh, yeah. How so you more trauma than how many kids are raised with two parents in this country or inside wedlock?

I mean, I came. But then the divorce. And what's the percentage for the African American and Hispanic community? It's it's it's it's shock. It's science fiction. You know, when you find out how many people really have a stable film life in those communities. Even the married people who were like coming from homes where the parents were still

married could sell the abuse in the trauma. Yeah, but it just got worse. Okay, we come back. We're going to talk about what else happened with that. And then they'll sex and they know sex was in it. I think I thought we come back, we're going to talk about what else happened with that. And then anal sex and anal sex was in there. Alright, we are going to take a quick break and we'll come back with more. Okay, back to anal sex. I'm a doctor, Drew Mike Katherinewood, host of Love Line and so many other things. But I'm thinking about sex because I know since I started my show 10 years ago like no one maybe anal sex He or just starting to talk about it. I feel like squirtings the new anal that's kind of come on

There was a lot of like when Mike was was first started joined the show There was pre-occupation with how do I get to go for an ab anal sex? That's weird We're preoccupation in a part of men and girlfriend of any other sex that's weird preoccupation and a part of men. And then it became squirting. That's in the last seven years of super occupation. Exactly.

So that's changed. And then people, you think you're just more messed up childhoods and all that stuff. You said so way more. And then of course gets acted out in their romantic lives. Always, it's the patterns. Yeah, they're parents and all that stuff. OK, so I want to talk about sex after marriage to both of you.

After marriage. Yeah. To my wife's or to no, just in general, because you're both in relationships, my you married for two years, you've been with your way for four years, three years, three and a half, yeah. Okay. And you 23. Yeah.

Okay. So you both seem happy. I mean, you know, you never know. Like, what goes on? I'm very. I am. I hate to make know, you never know really no goes, what goes on behind. I'm very, I am. I hate to make like, even like that hackney joke. I am so overwhelmingly happy in my marriage.

I know, it's kind of annoying. Emily. Ha, ha. She's like, like, repelled by the, I'm like, you guys are really, but really what, I mean, what, how do you make it work? How do you even want to have, I mean, your style.

I really think a big part, two big parts remain. Great. Tommy, best tip. One is where you are in your life. Yeah. So that you've got to be ready. For a guy that's very important.

You have to be ready. That's where you are in your life when you're ready to really commit. OK. And then who you choose is really important. I don't think enough goes into that choice. You've got to be, there has to be something renewing about that relationship

every day for a long time. And if you're not... You mean renewing about that relationship, so it's like, you've got to be into that person. You've got to be into it. You've got to want to spend time with it. You've got to want to list. You've got to be attracted in a way that you know

you're going to be attracted long from long into the future. Because if you don't have the attraction at the beginning... It's not going to build. Well, it builds in a certain way. There's a certain element that you're not in a way that guys are thinking about. Your boner doesn't grow. Right. It doesn't. It doesn't. But your appreciation for that person grows trust. But so, if you get married or commit because they're having amazing sex and they're like, oh, we have great sex. So we're going to get married. And that's

very after time that can't. That traction. And you realize that I think think everyone should get like you should fill out a form to talk about your sexual likes Sexual sexual pleasure The inventory before you marry someone where you act sexual pleasure and sexual quality of sex is an incredibly important factor into a great relationship In my opinion, yeah, this is you know, you're asking what makes it work. This is incredibly subjective I'm I'm assuming you know, Dr. Drew and his wife, do they have an excellent marriage, but so much that goes into it is so unique to each relationship. It's like saying, what's the best diet, you know, you know, it's so personal. But that's a really important point. But you have to focus, I think it's true, but I was going to say that the big thing is that without question sex is a very important factor. But for men, especially if you want to be able to really successfully engage in monogamy,

you have to, you have to analyze whether or not this woman makes your quality of life better outside of the bedroom. Because I've been in plenty of relationships where, you know, to quote the Kings of Leon, the sex was on fire, but it was, I mean, I think we talked about off the air last week, Emily, where I was saying, I remember moments where I was with this one girl, where I actually was like searching for things to say to her. And like, we just, I was, I'd be in the moment looking at her, I'd be like, fuck, we have nothing in common. I better fucker. And we'd be away on weekend. We'd be like on vacation.

We'd be on vacation with a topic. No, we'd be on vacations on weekends, like weekends away. And I'd be like, well, and I'd honestly just look at it. We'd be like watching TV or something. And I'd be like, let's go outside. And I, because I would force myself to just have sex with her because that was the only time we ever got, like really, I connected.

I think that's really common that people are like, I just, and then they realize I'm kind of bored. I think you have to be the the global sort of Phenomenon I think you have to be excited to be with that person Has to be fun to be with yeah exactly you all the time Exactly you can't you got to think am I gonna ever gonna tire to this is there something that's gonna Tire in somewhere. It's gonna change in such way up and I'll tire a bit. I I think that a lot of it too To achieve very romantic means to achieve incredibly romantic ends. Sometimes you've got to really get rolled up your sleeves and engage in a lot of very

unromantic means. And by that I mean to achieve this relationship, this marriage where you just, ever, you love every moment of it. Like I'm describing where I just am so happy in my marriage. A lot of times it's not just about roses and nights out and fucking. Of course it's about, like us having serious conversations about learning to respect each other as people. And I can, I could never imagine doing that with any other person,

even my first wife. But people know never imagine doing that with any other person, even my first wife. Who is a very good person? I feel like there's so many guys, and this is just, you know, I talk to a lot of people now, you know, who've been in relationships, and even in their 20s, I'm talking to people,

they're like, oh, you know, men typically will date someone that they're really attracted to, and that's all they, they're not thinking about all these other things that I have to really like them. And it goes with that person. Right, but they don't. That's something nobody ever thinks about. It's just like them. Also building life with that person. Right. That's what everybody ever thinks about. It's super hot. I'll marry you today. I don't know. I'm married. But they're not thinking I might be bored by this person. They're not. But women were more like is he funny?

Is he smart? Does he entertain me? Guys are just like the physical. I always say when in a dating situation, you're going to want to be entertained. You're going to want to be you know, have a good time. Well, that's really hard to do to a young man. Because you and I don't mean that. I don't mean that to be little younger guys. It's just like hormonally biologically, you're set up. You're not really set up to look at women as a way of who's going to entertain me. I mean, you're just not.

I know, but we are so I think that men should kind of like have some fort like well, no, what you what you have been. What should happen? She's hot, but find a hot girl on the bar. I can show you some like well, no, what you what you happen. She's hot, but find a hot girl on the bar. I can show you some of what should happen, which would solve the problem for both men and women is that women and men should wait till they're in the 30s to get married.

That's why because women will then start to kind of discover themselves sexually more and it will level out that way. And men will start to discover themselves emotionally and psychologically more and it'll level out that way and men will start to discover themselves emotionally Encyclodically more and it'll level them out that way and it makes for much better matchmaking as opposed to in your early 20s when women are Not necessarily I'm not most women aren't necessarily at their Selfs and they can't they don't have the lust that a man had and then men are emotional they're they're they're they're insane they're like tornadoes because they're these walking

testosterone factories. That's why I tell people to work for me I'm like just in their 20s I'm like you just it's okay like they're don't get attached yet these guys don't know emotionally you don't even know what you want. A big factor too is I had to in my first marriage and you said that well I you married someone for the looks to I did I married I'm married a way hot person for my first marriage But wasn't because of sexual reasons and in fact we didn't have sex at all I could probably count on one hand But we're kept having sex there because you don't want to talk to her. No, that was my girlfriend before I got married in my wife I was so confusing. Yeah, I know. I'm going to be like flowchart

But no, but I was to saying is that a big factor for me is that I, you know, I took my family of origin as a model of what good marriage is. And you shouldn't always do that. I mean, that's not, you know, because you get your parents had a good, you get married. I'm still married, but I like I said, you talked about it on the air.

No one's, I've never heard my parents tell them tell each other they love them. I know my parents so fuck and they probably haven't for 25 years. I've never seen my parents hold hands. I've never seen no see that's so hard when you that's what you see in your home. You don't you think that that's normal. I thought I thought it's a beautiful my dad was always in my my mom. I really thought that like this sit calm idea of marriage was the way it was because that's the way my dad worked his fingers to the bone Complained about not having sex my mom complained about how

My dad never around and and it was like it was like, you know, home improvement or any other sitcom It's like oh, I love my wife, but geez. I got to tell you about the striped-up feel and I just that that's the way life was You marry someone and then you don't fuck them and then you live together and a guy Works and a woman complaints about you didn't really right exactly you didn't realize that you could have it all I didn't I didn't even understand We don't have a model you don't have a model of it like I didn't have a model of like a happy family happy marriage No, it's fine still here talking about this stupid dad. I know I know when he was married three times before he died So he went out like hi. It was like it was a honeymoon. He died Sort of I mean it was a month later. But yeah. Oh my God. I know. Mexico hit

on her attack. He's 49. And I think if he was here, they wouldn't be able to save on him. He was a big fan cone, right? So yeah, that was a bum. I would be the first to say my people not that not at the top of the medical flow chart. Oh, yeah, dude. Really. Seriously. Like, I was in Mexico. Okay. I want to talk about porn, which is one of Mike's favorite pastimes. I like it on that point. So what do you guys think about this whole porn? How it's affecting people's relationships?

Negatively affecting people's relationships. Hard to measure yet. I think we think we're seeing young males that are sort of disengaged from relationships because they'd rather not deal with a person since they've got porn. It's perfect. It's so good. It's so good. Now it is. No, you laugh, but I mean that it's what's going to happen when they get those virtual

realities. They don't want to. It's work. That's the little brains are getting rewired into just being that they keep raising the bar or what they're at. There's that, but they're also is the fact that I hear young males say the following thing. Like, yeah, girls, they're kind of crazy. It's got to be an issue.

They're hassle. They get mad. I'm fine. I'm fine. And they don't even want relationships. They didn't know. Does this see much of a hassle? You want to know an analogy I always use.

And I think it is a good one. It's kind of like sports and video games nowadays. A 12 year old kid in 1980s, I see, and I was 12 years old in 1990. In 1990, you could only play Legend of Zelda on the original Nintendo for so long before you got bored with a fucking stupid game. And then you guys, I better go out and shoot some hoops, play some baseball. You really aren't that motivated to go break a sweat and have to deal with the grit of playing real football when you have

Madden on an Xbox. It is so awesome. It is so fucking great. The Glenn gameplay so smooth the graphics show hot Why deal with the others part of getting sweaty and getting possibly getting a concussion? Okay, so porn your interests and there's hot ass chicks that you can get for free any I can put I can Google I can go to red tube right now and put in anal. Remember, remember, huge component of the male sexual experience is visual and you're gratifying better than they could get in real life.

But they don't even know because they're so young and they don't care. They're visual system tells them that's it. Because you're missing the point, they are so young. When I was so young, I was, I was over the moon if I got my hands on a Victoria's Secret catalog. That was like, I was the fucking whole run.

It was all the same, and you think it's the same thing that you had a catalog and that you, you know, I was very motivated to go find a real woman because, right, because that's all you know, I have was like a shot, like a maybe an underwear shot of Leanne Tweedin and Frederick's Hollywood, you know. That's why you have her on the show because we can come and, I told her, I've spilled so much jazz over here. I know why you have around the show? Because we can come and I told I've spilled so much jizz. I know I remember. I was there.

This is what I was saying too, because not only is it affecting men, but women typically in their 20s don't know their bodies as well. And then I have friends who are like in their 30s, 40s, even with women in their 20s, they're like a swear to God. They all have sex like porn stars.

Like they don't really. Yeah, they're trying to act. Yeah, really damn. No, but not in the way that it's good. Like it's in a way that they don't even really, yeah, they're trying to act, you're going to be damn. No, but not in the way that it's good. Like, it's in a way that they're playing a role because that's how they think they should act, like the moaning and the way they move. Mind you love the emails. Think there's that's what they're supposed to be.

Right. And that's where they're pounding the way during the jackhammer at them. And it's just a terrible place to learn about actually how to have sex that they're learning to porn. Yeah. I said that learning to have sex is like, by watching porn is like learning to box by watching Rocky. Exactly. The terrible way to do it.

I know, but I get that it's existence, not going anywhere I just wish that people would like listen to love, line, listen to my life. Well, in defense of the adult industry, there's a lot of value to it too. I'm not an anti-porn guy. I just think that you have to, you have to, you have to kind of digest porn differently

than we used to. You got to kind of digest porn differently than we used to. You gotta understand it's a very powerful force. It really might dig this, dig. Something we've not talked about. Is, I have a sense that in the last year or so, maybe even nine months, it has improved a little bit. And I wonder if it's tender, that the ease of access

has sort of translated over now the internet is made it also easy to make a physical connection or a human connection there sort of the bars come down a bit and now they're more likely to go out into the world now my juice not exactly the healthiest thing right because it's hooking up in the eyes is that my right is it maybe yeah I feel like the porn stuff is just it's just on a rise because I feel like at every party I've ever outing that I go to there's always someone who pulls me aside and usually that uses like a litmus test or whatever questions They're asking like for while I went everyone's like ask about three sums how do I get my way to a three sum or then it was anal and now it's all about guys are like I Watch a lot of porn. I you know, I don't want to do I do it once a day and this guy pulled me aside

He's like twice a day is that bad. He's okay. Actually it's seven times a day and I can't have guilty about it, I don't want to do. I do it once a day. And this guy pulled me aside. He's like, twice a day is that bad. He's like, okay, actually, it's seven times a day. And I can't have a guilty about it because they don't know. It's such it's so intense. It's so it's so gratifying. It's really and it's and I'm not kidding. A big problem is it's so good and so available. It's the women are so attractive. The camera angles and the like it's so good.

The quality of porn is so high that it makes it a much more dangerous entity. And I do think that men are being more judge than they're with the woman. They're like her makeup's not perfect or boobs are perfect. Like I don't know. I don't know. What I do think what I do think back to sender is that and I don't think this I know this from my own I don't know if the control size was big enough.

This the this what is it not the control group. The control group was big enough because I talked to three or four girls, my wife's friends, who were quite attractive in their mid-twenties. Actually, like they're very successful. Everything going any guy on earth would have been happy to be with these girls. And they're all using Tinder. And I'm like, what's up with that? And I read why are you having to use it. And I read what these guys are writing them, okay? And every guy is a fucking idiot. And then I start talking to them, I say,

well, what's with dating nowadays? And she's like, well, I went out with this guy, good, I say, she's 28, this girl's talking about. She's awesome, so hot, she's successful in her own right. She's like, I went out with this guy, it's 45, and we sit down to dinner and he's like, look, I'm not gonna play games with you. Unless we're in like some serious sex stuff,

like multiple partners, I don't even wanna, you know, I'll drive you home right now. And I go, what a dick bag. And the other two girls were like, oh yeah, that sounds like that's pretty much part for the course. So I go, wait, explain to me dating in 2014 because I'm out of a loop. I never even did it when I was single, I really date. So everything I'm noticing is that guys have no idea how to behave or treat women anymore

because of porn and a tinder. They pre-intererally escalate the sex conversation too, which you should never even talk about the first date and then you get to the minimum. You can't blame them. I like three cents. 1996. It wasn't even an option. Now if you strike out with three chicks, you still have 350 million that you have access

to on Facebook. Right. And they're bound to say yes every once in a while. That's why guys like the Lord, they've completely forego the kind of process of getting to know a girl playing the game. But like, look, I'm not going to lie to you. Sometimes I've said things and done things to manipulate girls to get in bed. But at least I had to say and do things.

You know, you know, you don't have. I never left with. Let's block. Do you squirt? You know, that's what these guys think. Dude, they think it's okay. My friends, it's a blowjob to Spencer. He's like, every time I go out and Tinder, like, I get a blowjob.

Like, he just happens like these women. It's like comic on to me. Every time I go to Comic Con, I get blown somehow. No, but it's, I mean, Tinder really isn't as awesome. Those are first, but it's the big, right? That's true, too. It's a bigger, better deal that you, because think about it like 10 years ago, you didn't have people, you know, poking you

where it relates to Pokemon Facebook. They're not liking your photo on Instagram. People are meeting from so many different other areas that there's always someone new popping up on your social media chain that in the past is like you went to party, you met someone or you didn't or you're at the door. Yeah, I'm a general out. I social. Not no one know how to go places to meet women. Yes, right. And now he's lazy. You never leave your house. You're like this guy. Like me on Instagram and you go down

the rabbit chain of like, oh, who else are they see? And it's just there's. They don't know how to date. I had to to date. I hate to use these sports and allergies, Emily. I hate sports. I know. But friend of mine asked me to drive San Diego and go to a charger game. Okay.

Two or four months. Right. And I thought I thought to myself, yeah, it sounds cool. You know, I love the city San Diego. Chargers cool team. See Philip Rivers ball it up. And I thought to myself,

they may become up here to join you. Yeah, no kidding. That'd be awesome. And to myself, you know, I can sit in front of my TV and get HD views of the NFL with breakdowns from really good correspondence and, and, and play by play guys. I don't really think I need to go into a stadium with 80,000 people and deal with drugs and stuff like that. And I think the same thing for, you know, 18, 19 year old guy, you come home from a night at the bars and you think to yourself

Why am I going to do this again and pay $20 for a cocktail and try to meet girls that aren't necessarily receptive when I can just open up my fucking Facebook and just Rifle through right exactly and then you could put it out there like you can like toss the the net or whatever out to like as many Women as you you could text that's why texting I think it was invented too for guys like at night Like think the booty calls, like a text 10 different whoever answers first. You know, when it first started, I was like, that's what everyone's doing. And it used to be like, you called them, they answered,

they didn't. And I think that there's this whole like almost boyfriend syndrome, which we talked about on the show last week, that people, it's not even like friends with benefits. It's that someone that feels like they're your partner, but really you're no one's committing to anybody. Yeah, I've never, never navigated those roads,

but I can see how a grown adult, it's very difficult to have the R.E. couple conversation. I mean, how do you do that? And when you're 29, how do you look to another girl and go? Like, so what are we? I mean, it seems very reasonable at 17. It's just, I don't know, I mean, let's say you go on, you go on on your fourth

date, you've already been sexually active. You hang out together and you go to lunch in between, you know, your lunch break at work, you go and have lunch together. And it's like, you're kind of together. You're sexually active, but like no one's ever said like, are we boyfriend, girlfriend? Where does that conversation happen? It's very difficult. No one's even having it anymore because they don't have models of it. So none of their friends are in relationships. But they're also afraid to do what they might hear. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think a lot of the women are going around or going on. I think that the women actually might want relationships more so,

but the guys aren't doing it. They're not asking for it. And they're none of their friends are in relationships. So my wife had to have that kind of like it was like a conversation. Most people that was uncomfortable. But it was, you know, I'm 35. My wife's 37 and it's like we were grown as adults who had already both been married and owned homes and stuff. And it's like to sit down and be like, so are you my boyfriend? It was very weird, you know, how long have you been together? Uh, when we had that conversation, like the conversation like five months, did you bring it up or she wrote up? She did. Oh, because you don't need to.

Statistically, I always brought up over. But I just assume that's what I hear. I've never Like the conversation like five months. Did you bring it up or she wrote it? She did. Oh, because you were niche. You were niche. Statistically, I always brought up over. But I just assumed that's what I hear. I've never brought it up ever. I hate the car. I assumed. I'm like, wait, what'd you say? I never want it.

Well, I'm a bit mingy. I'm a bit mingy. I'm a bit mingy. I'm a bit mingy. I'm a bit mingy. I'm a bit mingy. I don't like labels. Do you want to be your boyfriend?

I've seen you with three different guys that look like they want to be your boyfriend. I know they do. Yeah, and I two of them were fucking dicks who I like all the air you let all of them are you have any met I've only met you met three No, one three who three you didn't I met one wanted whose name remind Rhyme was schmavid You didn't mean him I said did When okay, we'll talk about that and then I met met the one with your two friends that wanted to be your boyfriend. Okay.

And then I saw one last weekend. But that guy doesn't want to be your boyfriend. We already had that conversation with that dude. He's handsome and nice. No, no, no, he does again. Really? Who with the conversation? The guy you with the editor Christmas?

Yeah. We talk. You said some girl. No, fucking, he was here. You brought him to love wine. We were. And I go, Emily, what's with the, this guy's good looking. He's nice. He said Tim. No fucking he was here. You brought him to love wine. And I go Emily, what's with the this guy's good looking. He's nice. He's charming. And you're like, Oh, yeah, he's my fan. I mean, I mean, okay, we were fans. You were even friends for a

year and a half. And then, you know, hugged out, but we're not like now he's in. Oh, now he's in. And but out. Whatever. What's going on? What do you guys want to be boyfriend? I'm just saying. What's up with that? I think I don't want to. What's up with that? That is really cool. He's super nice. I love me. He's great. Awesome. Very good. So what's the hang up? There is no hang up. You're happy. Samoy. Samoy. Samoy. No, I'm not the hang up. I swear. In fact, I think you have to talk with them. I've never had the talk of my life.

But I'm looking on. I've never approached a man like you have never approached a woman. Mike, which I find interesting for all the sex you've had. And I've never made the first move. I've never had the talk. And I have had relationships for two and a half years. I've got to trouble. I've got to trouble talking about that. I don't know who you are. We've got to talk about that.

I've got to trouble with that talking about how I don't, I've never, like, asked to grow out and got her number and stuff. And I've fucked, like, too many women account. And it's because, and I don't, I don't say that because I've gotten in trouble. Especially on like love advice type podcast. I've gotten in trouble because guys are like, Hey, dude, that doesn't very helpful to me. And I go, well, I say that only because for the first half of my dating life, I was high and doing blow. And if you do blow with girls alone, you're gonna fuck them. And so it wasn't. You do it, right? Yeah, yeah. Like it's very easy. That, you're gonna fuck them. And so it wasn't- I thought you'd do it, right? It's very easy.

That way you're drug addict. You do it because you want to enjoy the coach together. Yeah, a lot of times it starts to shoot. So I did- So I have social anxiety about women that use a blow. If I get the blow, this woman's gonna stay put there. So I was in a very unique world prior to that. Then as soon as I get clean, then I was on TV.

So then I was in another very unique situation where girls would just be like, hey, how sex with me sound. You know, and I know that sounds like a, like, but even afterwards those women at the hotel, the milves to you, that was insane. He's sitting there like, wait, you going to love line?

Like, I don't know. No, no, no, it's worse. It's way worse. I just got, I just dropped off a girl who I went on a date with and had sex with. And she was doing a, I can't even say. She was doing a makeup exhibit. She was a hair makeup for, like TV shows. And she was working on a client at that hotel.

So I dropped her off, I dropped her off in her hotel to do her client. And I was waiting at the bar there because I lived in Pasadena at the time and didn't want to drive all the way back to Pasadena before love line. So I was like, I have 45 minutes to kill. While I'm in the bar just dropping off a girl, I'm in the bar waiting.

And these girls from these mills from Texas are like, Hey, how about you? Can't get rid of that. And I was like, what was their hair like all crazy? No, they were, they were, they were in their 40s, but they were very attractive. And they gave you blowjabs, right? Well, no, one of them, like they were preparing to have sex. I love that I know all your stuff. And they were making out with me. and then they both got topless,

and then one got full naked and started blowing me. And I'll never let, I remember, it was a funny thing because she was blowing me. And I liked over it, and the other one was topless on her blackberry, like sending a text to someone. And I'm like, what's going on? She's just gonna be like, all right, that's kind of, it's kind of, it's a good, it's a good situation.

It's not that very good, I'm sexual, sexual, that's really actually, thank you very much. Okay, you guys, well, let's answer an email from one of my listeners. That's not very good sexual sexual, that's rude. That's right. Thank you very much. Okay, you guys, well, let's answer an email from one of my listeners. Let's do it. I think they would love to have a right, because you guys are like professionals. Yeah. It's about low sexual confidence. Dear Emily, the last few days my ex who I ended on okay terms with started texting

me, I don't know, doesn't say. Makes a big difference. Okay, guys, we'll probably figure it out. Oh, listen, sorry. You can talk. Okay, it say. It makes a big difference. Okay guys, we'll probably figure it out. Sorry. Okay, it's the last few days in my act too. I ended on okay terms they're getting back. Starting texting me.

We were goofing around overtaxed when she said that I was the first guy she had a hard time getting hard. And that I wasn't that big. And that I was too hesitant and didn't just take her like she thought I would. Wait, this is the law formation. Okay, so just listen, so this, she made him feel bad, actually. This killed my ego and now I'm pretty afraid to have sex with women. I have never been really good talking to girls anyway.

And so I'm not the most confident guy ever, so it's not like I'm getting a time of sex to begin with. I work out six days a week, I'm studying become a personal trainer, all of my friends tell me just to focus on that and wait for women to come by. But my thought is why wait, I haven't had sex in six months and haven't had a relationship for a year and a half. Isn't it normal for me to be seeking out a mate? Don't guys usually court girls anyway, I thought maybe you'd have some thoughts on this mic.

I'm guessing that he's in his 20s and that one woman can do this. Like I was like, who his ex wife said to him like, your penis is small and I'm just telling you, it is not a small piece of lovely penis. It worked fine. I was very happy. I was like, like, I was a lovely penis. It was a really lovely penis. I enjoyed it. It was actually, I would have to say larger than normal, but he, she said this one thing to get him at the end of their Marit and he never got over it. And so I think this guy he gets insulted. He's not that big. And how do you recover from that? How do you restore a castrated male? Exactly.

And it I think more than anything as I think about it, it's how vulnerable you were to this in the first place. It's like, why did somebody suddenly get depressed when they had a sudden stressor? Like, they just put some over the edge. So they're already with trouble. He's already worried about his- He's just not whole. And if you're not whole, I mean, you hear his email,

hey dude, why don't you just go hang out with people you're doing personal training, you know how to talk to people, relate people, you must be able to do your training work. Start just take a big one for coffee and hang it out. Part of the same step you're telling my son, just hang out. Just hang out. Just hang out, enjoy the time with people and stuff will naturally happen. And if you're really into them, be open and honest. But just, you know, don't, if you're whole, it's hard for somebody to take you apart. But if you're already fragmented and fearful and unable to hold it together, somebody

can just pull it down in the house of cards, falls. You got to build yourself back up and all, which some of the women are telling him already, which takes time. That's right. Some women are already telling him that, which is right, which is just focus on your work, focus on, you know, feeling good about yourself in the world, and then start dating people, but don't jump into sex necessarily right away, but don't necessarily, but really don't fall in love with anybody either. Just start hanging out and if sex happens, great if it doesn't, also great, and see if you can get some experiences where you get back literally back up on the horse. And he probably feels confident, Mike, when he's at, you know,

works to start channeling some of those skills of when you're confident. He might. My Riders. Yeah. Right. Cause these are things he's good at. I'm sure he's been trained. You never know. I mean, I think that you'd be shocked. I think that young guys, very young guys, 20s, teens, they have a hard time

even admitting to themselves how, how much they're, their status in the world, socially, professionally, how much it affects the ego. I mean, yeah, I think that, like, let's say young guys in their 20s, they don't make enough money, you know, they, you know, they, you know, right? Right. But one, no, but my point is, is that if you don't go to, uh, I feel like school when you're in college, if you don't, if you don't make a lot of money when you get out of college, if you don't have a job, if you, if you are, if you look at yourself in a way that isn't necessarily boosting to your own ego, that plays a huge role in how

you look at yourself in the bedroom. It's a, and I don't think you get, it's a shame that you have to be really old and over the hill to the point, to ever realize that. I just think that everyone needs to go to therapy in the 20s. Well, I was going to say this call, or I would think therapy would be an important thing for him because he does kind of have his own life together and yet he still feels empty. I mean, I honestly think that everybody, I think couples need it.

I think that individuals, and I know, and that's a long line, I'm like, you want to say it again, like go to therapy, and everyone thinks that they can't afford it. There's always ways to get at their sliding skills. But real quick, what? It's very important. And I don't think women understand this by and large.

Yes. Drew, don't you agree that he bought from an outsider's point of view ostensibly this young man does have his life together, but that doesn't matter because it doesn't matter until he feels like he has his life. That's right. He has to feel like it. And I was I was a part of a worldwide. I was part of a very a legacy radio show sitting next to Dr. Drew every single night. I was on dance with the stars. I was flying back and forth from New York doing Regis and Kelly and I you would have thought you would have thought no no no you would have thought that I was cleaning up the jizz at a late night porn theater. I mean that's how I thought about myself. That's how you felt exactly. It doesn't matter how many times you will tell you you're beautiful. You're amazing. You're smart. You're sexy until you believe that yourself. It is not going to play you up. Yeah, but particularly for men in their career, like you got to understand what I call it is sort of your position in the world.

You have to know who you are as a man in the world, what your contribution is, what your worth is, how you're going to make a difference in the world. And the other, the other, that's one take a message from that story, just rest. And the other is women do not appreciate the impact they have on men. I didn't even know a lot of a lot of men are still 40-up men walking around still in pain over something somebody said to them when they were 11. Exactly. Like the peanut. Exactly. So you've got to realize what's holding you back and if you need to go to the I don't know what other way to say that. Sometimes it feels like a broker-mecker, but that's how we all we've all been in therapy and that's how you're working out.

So, we gotta go, because we gotta do another show, but I know, there's like, I have a hundred other things I want to talk to you about. Well, it was very nice to join you on the sexual Emily. I love this, this is always, this is meant to be. And you guys, okay, so your Twitter Instagram, Dr. Drew, at Dr. Drew, and then at Dr. Drew HLM, on Instagram, Mike, Twitter and Instagram at MikeCathardwood,

anything else you guys want? Adam and Drew podcast. Drew podcast, Adam and Drew podcast. Mike and Drew podcast, Adam and Drew podcast. Adam and Drew podcast is great too. Okay, right, Mike and Drew. Adam and Dr. Drew, Dr. Drew podcast, those are all podcast.

And I'll give my more wife a little love. If you're a expecting mother, a new mother, if you're a mother period, the atomic bomb spot. Yes, I've heard that's amazing. Someone else is my wife calling out which is a fast and I wanted to ask you more about That but she's her podcast calling out with Susan Pinsky. I last time I was on calling out with Susan Pinsky with my wife The clairvoyant made my wife cry so cry in a good way like yeah, yeah No, both times I had to be like the first time she instantly knew my dad had died. Like said, he's proud of you. Because I always think, oh God, if you could see me like sitting

with the vibrators. I also want to promote my website. I think you I'm like, forgive me. I don't know. Yeah, it's it's blue waffle dot net. Blue. I got Anderson wait, because I got to plug. I got to say one more thing. Thanks to Mike and thanks every everyone. Anderson, thank you and your podcast. Thank you, I'm gonna present the film. I was just kidding. I'm not a podcast talk.

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