Sex With Emily - Best Of: Swinging All the Way with Holli & Michael

Episode Date: November 2, 2018

On today’s throwback podcast, Emily is joined by married couple and real-life swingers Holli & Michael to talk about the swinging lifestyle and how healthy open relationships really work. The three discuss the myths of swinging, the time they ALL went to a play party, and how to remove jealousy from your relationship. Plus, they help listeners deal with a selfish lover, proper threesome etiquette, and how to make sex less awkward and boring. Thank you for supporting our sponsors who help keep the show FREE: Hot Octopuss, Foria, Womanizer, Magic Wand Follow Emily on all social: @sexwithemily Follow Holli & Michael on Twitter: @SwingTime69 Visit their site: HolliandMichael.com For even more sex advice, tips & tricks, visit: sexwithemily.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Isn't it common, though? What do you mean, like laundry? It shrinks. Can we not talk about sex so much? Are you kidding me? Oh my god, I'm so, so, so, so, so. Being bad feels pretty good. But you know, Emily's not the kind of girl you just play with.

You're listening to Sex with Emily, we're talking about sex, relationships, and everything in between. For more information, go to sexwithemlee.com where you can listen to our podcast, send it for our mailing list, and check out all the other fun things going on there. We have a new website too, which is amazing. Hi, Holly and Michael. Hi. Thank you for being here. Thank you for having us.

I know. I'm really, I'm excited. I love being, I love being on your show. I love knowing you guys, you guys have been on the show before. So there's this second time. Yeah. And that was like two years ago, you so cute.

You sent me the picture of us. I did, I was seeing pictures and I thought, I would give you memories. Really fun. And everyone can find you just, this will all be on our website as well. But it's hollyandmicle.com. That's holly with an eye.

Don't mess that up. No. And Twitter is at swing time 69 and Instagram is at real holly pockets. Yes. And yeah, so check all that out. And you guys are still doing your Playware Radio swing. Yes. Which is an awesome show. Thank you. So fun. I love it. And the TV show and you guys have just been like traveling all like I don't even know what you're like. Oh no, we're like in Ecuador.

We're all swaying. Where are you? What are you doing? All over, the only sad thing is when you're out of town, we're out of town and never in the same city. We have to make it so we end up in the same city. I want to do that. We're broadcasting live on location.

Literally last year was three different continents, 17 different countries and 42 different cities. This year we'll come pretty close to that. And is it swing the show that you're doing everywhere? Is it swing with Holly and Michael on radio? Not the TV show. The radio show, very proud still Playboy Radio's number one show. We've been on for almost five years, March of five years and the number one for about four. Number one, congratulations. How do you find it?

You go to PlayboyRadio.com, How do you find it? You go to playboardradio.com, Backslash swing or just playboardradio.com, also on the tune-in app, SoundCloud, iTunes now. Oh, everywhere. Yeah. Yeah. I've been with podcasts are not sold. Yes, there you go. There you go. Because the tree.

The tree. Right. Okay, so that's awesome. So you guys are just, you've been really busy working. And the last time I saw you, I was grateful that we were in the same city because you invited me to a play party. And I spent two, one in a while,

and the guy I'm dating, still dating Ross, he actually came on the show and we talked about it. Talked about that, yeah. I kind of wanted to come in today too, but he was busy. But you liked him, he loved you guys. Oh, really? He was nervous, because we had been out

having like a night, like a work night, and we were doing stuff, and then I was like, hey, how long he wanted you guys. Oh really? Cause he was nervous. Cause we had been out having like a night, like a work night and we were doing stuff and then I was like, hey, how am I, he wanted to go and I was like, should we go? I'm like, yeah, let's go. He was so excited to like, we talked a lot about it. But it was a fun, how is that party? What do you think? I guess parties go.

You guys left before we did. I thought it was fun. Yeah, that's funny. Good. Like that. We didn't play, you know what? And we didn't play that night. So we didn't play, Holly's libido had been through the roof

and we had played, I believe, probably nine or 10 nights out of 14. Oh, so 14th night? Yeah, we did. We did some lot for a vitamin of 14th night. We wanted the, we needed a seventh day of rest. We did a fourth day of rest. A fourth day of rest.

Right. The party was great as you saw the couples beautiful and when I say hi and I'm not talking necessarily about a parent's, though they were beautiful. Yeah. Their class, as you saw the couples beautiful, and when I say high-end, I'm not talking necessarily about appearance though they were beautiful. Yeah. Their class, as you and Ross saw, no one's touching anyone without permission.

People are introducing themselves. They're making sure to get to know you. Yeah, exactly. And they wanna know you, they don't care how much money you make or where you live now. Are you a nice person? Do you understand what you're here for?

Do you get the rules? Because either you get it or you regret it. Right, exactly. A lot of why. So yeah, let's talk about that because we were just, so if you got, I mean, because we got into some of it, just kind of like what I was more like

because the funny thing was he had never been to a party like that. He never seen two people having sex in front of him. So let's just start there. Okay. To him that you guys were leaving, I'm like, and he's like, oh, we should stay, you know, because he was like, I like that.

That was really cool because it showed me that. Yeah. And we didn't, we didn't play, but it was more like, wait, you know, because he was like, I like that, that was really cool because it showed me that it was interesting. And we didn't, we didn't play, but it was more like, wait, are they, is that, those people are having sex right now, but those are the ones we were just talking to, right, like his mind blown, right? And it was hot, it was like four playing,

he was completely turned out, I was in the way his face slept, and like, it was kind of like, you know, I guess when a parent first takes their kid to Disneyland or something, you see him like Mickey Mouse. Oh wow, you have to come, she's like a Mickey Mouse. And instead of airs, you should go and ask her.

I got her. Instead of Mickey Mouse airs. Yeah, yeah. I was like, I'm glad I'd come talk. So we talked about it from his experience. But you guys are great though, because we got there. And you guys are so disarming and so warm and open. And you guys were just telling him about your history

and your background, which I didn't really know all of that about just how you got into it and how you met. And yeah, I mean, Thomas a little about it. And I find it fascinating. Hey, you guys met and you guys found he's been in for a while. I've been here since I was 18, so almost 20 years now. And it was in college, you know, we just called it a Thursday night and orgy at the fraternity house.

But I remember dating. What you do. Yeah, it's pretty good. Right? The day that ends and why it was I was dating a woman. I was 18. She was 24, 26. And she said, I'd like to take you to party downtown.

Was there two of them or just one? She's got another one. Oh, yeah. She's somewhere between 24 and 20. She's older. And I said, all right, let's do it. And I'm the way there, because we were 60 miles from the city where I went to the school. She's explaining to me this party.

Oh my God, I get to have sex with other people too. You're the best, because she had been part of the orgies, and now she's inviting me to go somewhere. Which is a school back up. Northern Illinois University. Northern Illinois. Alright, you're in Illinois, so I'll see you in jail. I'm going to Michigan, but I'm going to be in

an American or a G-Spa. That's a fraternity thing. It's the border right there. Yeah, you know, it's the Upert, no, I'm just kidding. So we go to this party, I meet all these people. I'm getting permission to have sex with people's wives. She's having sex with guys and we're playing in all of this. And there's acronyms and there's I we call it in our book Swinger Speak. There's all this different language. So I'm learning some of it. We leave

and she said, what did you think? And I said, I can't believe there's this world that I knew nothing about. Now fast forward, I had been in the lifestyle on and off from that point through my first marriage. Okay. And after getting out of the marriage, she wanted to dabble in it with me and I didn't because, as you know, and I'm sure you would have experienced had Ross acted differently,

the lifestyle is available to everyone. It's not right for just anyone though. Right. There are people that you don't wanna do. Oh yeah. We meet and I've been in the lifestyle and I not bragging You met Holly, okay. Yeah, sorry. I met Holly and we talked about our past and I share I'm very open and I Told her and then he told me and I was thinking oh my gosh

I would love to try this because I grew up Mormon so I had never done anything in my life I'd had one guy before my previous husband. And I was such a prude, but I knew I wasn't a prude. I was open-minded with other people, how they lived and how they thought and everything. So he tells me this and I'm thinking, oh my gosh, I gotta go to one of these parties and I beg him, I'm like, oh my God, please.

And he's like, okay, we'll go. He's like, sell down. I know. All right. Chill out, woman. So we go and I have the most amazing time I've ever had. One of the things Holly had said, and I'm not sure the conversations you and Ross had,

Holly had bisexual fantasies. The first time Holly masturbated as a Mormon, you're not allowed to. It was two of the way magazine. Right now she's a playboy model and works for playboy, isn't that amazing? That is amazing. And our mother's a circle.

A circle. And I remember. I'm gonna start masturbating to the lottery tickets. Yes, seriously. You take what you can get. I know. Right. Winning a lot of numbers.

One of the biggest things with a lifestyle, I don't know what you and Ross did, is communicating. Now, I know you well. I believe I know you well. And the way you operate and you're so forthcoming and honest that a man like Ross wouldn't have to worry because you're not going to jump in and do things that you didn't talk about first. There are some people that do. So Holly and I

communicated ahead of time about what she wanted to get out of the experience, what I wanted to get out of the experience. For me, it was just letting her experience it. Right. And I didn't want to jump head first because that was scary. I just wanted to see what it was like. And if I kissed a girl, then I that's that's where I do the one yeah line and he I did I saw this beautiful woman and and I asked him like I kiss her and he's like yeah so I said it's not up to me yeah but I'm thinking he's right there I need to ask permission right because it's covered it up right we're a couple and I kissed her and I was like oh my gosh I cheated on you we're gonna break up this is horrible

and it turns out he was cool. Oh, it was hot. She started making out with other women that night. That was it. You were in. That was it. I was in. I always say, you either dip your toes in the swinging pool or you jump headfirst into the deep end of the swinging pool. No matter what you do though, you have to do it together. We are, I believe, we are such a strong we because we're each

to secure me. And without that, you're doomed. It's true. And it's like any relationship. You ought to be a strong me before we. So that's that's amazing too that you guys have that. But especially to be in the lifestyle, you really need to be strong and to keep communicating about all these things ahead of time. So, so then you kept you were in it and you guys started dating and going different parties and stuff. And so, and now you written the definitive book on it, which I think has been needed for so long, because we get asked the same questions.

I know you guys, some of the stuff we're gonna talk about, we have talked about, but I just think that it's so much, no, but this book is like welcome to the lifestyle, and people can get it where? For free, if you go to, which is crazy. I know.

It should be like, you guys should be paying 50 bucks for this. I'm not, or maybe 100, but it's free. Oh, yeah. This isn't even half of. I know. This should be like, you guys should be paying 50 bucks for this. I'm not, or maybe 100, but it's free. This is half of, this isn't even half of what I have. So if you go to vxclub.com, the THEXclub.com, that's the letter X. Okay. The letter X, so vxclub.com, and you put in your email address, they will send you,

they bought the rights to use this part, so these parts of the books, they'll send you a PDF file. You can opt out of emails from them, that's fine. Okay. And you'll get this, three quarters of what's in here is about relationships, because unless you can be single and being a lifestyle, single women we call unicorn, if you want to know why? Yeah, I want to, we do want to talk about that a little bit, yeah, but.

And then single men, Holly, termed unicox, for obvious reasons, bull is another term. That's a good one. That's a good one. Yes, yes. However, if you're not in a solid relationship or you're not secure with yourself, you know, in a Hollywood movie, you know, in Hollywood, you know, in Hollywood, you know, in Hollywood, you know, in Hollywood, you know, in Hollywood, you know, in Hollywood, you know, in Hollywood, you know, in Hollywood, you know, in Hollywood, you know, in Hollywood, you know, in Hollywood, you know, in Hollywood, you know, in Hollywood, you know, in Hollywood, you know, in Hollywood, you know, in Hollywood,

you know, in Hollywood, you know, in Hollywood, you know, in Hollywood, you know, in Hollywood, you know, in Hollywood, you know, in Hollywood, you know, in Hollywood, you know, in Hollywood, we're healthy and not. I don't want this, because this is what I think, from a lot of who we hear from. Yeah, we're thinking about having a threesome. We've been together, wow, we've had kids. We're not, you know, Texas has been that gray lately. We're just going to, yeah, don't do it.

Right, so what is, how, what, how do you define a healthy relationship in your, I believe it's, it's all, it all comes down to communication and good communication because you can say, oh, yeah, we're great communicators, but then you don't tell your partner anything or you just talk about the daily stuff not about your feelings or things like that so We I mean we we talked pretty much how good relationship from the star now because we're so we're both so open with You look at unicorn relationship And the unicorn is a term they use because unicorns a mythical creature So I'll get back to the relationship thing in a second.

With the reason we call it single woman in the lifestyle who's interested in no strings attached, NSA, casual sex, is because it was believed they don't exist. Oh, there's a lot of women. Emily, you know, a lot of women, I'm sure, that you know, that you've been a unicorn. You've been a unicorn. That's true.

And being with a couple, you know, you asked about three sims. One of the first things and it's in here is for a successful three sim to occur, I believe, you make it about the sex and only the sex. Holly and I are 100% emotionally monogamous. Physically though, we play. Right. And it's only about the sex.

We're not falling in love with that person. We're not, I mean, we text for play dates and stuff, but we don't, oh my gosh, how you feeling today? What are you doing? Was it good? Yeah, was it good? Things personal things that we shouldn't be asking someone that's just random. There's boundaries. Yeah. I'm here. And even go, you know, you asked what's a healthy relationship? There are boundaries in a healthy relationship to learn such a digital society today that I mean I I love when you and I talk I look at some people though that to me you're healthy the unhealthy people in my opinion Are the ones that saying you know around that digital corner be it?

This website or that website that's for dating I'll find someone new so we have a problem. We're gonna break up now Exactly it's too easy and now let's say you're in a relationship to be healthy, learn how to squash jealousy. What is causing jealousy? And if I know your, your buttons, and I start pushing them, I'm wrong. If I don't know your buttons, in my opinion, you're incorrect for not showing.

Because I haven't told you that it makes me hard. Right. And jealous when this happens. And so, Lauren, can we just go back to learning to squash jealousy? Because I think there's a lot of couples that would be interested in this, but they're like, or they just say, no,

wave, I sound like my partner having sex with someone else. I have no constitution physically to handle that, or emotionally. Or emotionally. Mostly is emotionally, or physically, like I might break down, but how do you squash it? Well, maybe you want to start. I think that, I mean, it takes time

and it takes trust in the person that you've been. Wait, but jealousy is normal. Yeah. I mean, as somebody who's a singer in the lifestyle for as long as I have been, and even as successful as Holly and I are as lifestyle people as singers, we still experience that twinge of jealousy for a time to time. So I don't want anyone to think that once you're in the lifestyle, you'll never be jealous again.

It's normal. Okay, go ahead, I'm sorry, baby. Well, to go along with your lines, there are certain people, like I still get jealous, but it's certain people that kind of rub you the wrong way or they're getting too attached to you or they are the person or these just inappropriately. I don't think that's jealousy as much as it's uncomfortable. Maybe. I think it goes both ways, though.

Yeah. And I say, you know, I'm getting a little jealous about her and you know What he I'm sure he's just like done. I know he's like blocking her from Facebook and She's done right also when you reflect on how your past relationships went I don't I stopped dating virgins when I was a sophomore in college Because of the emotional attachment they get today. We don't want a date of virgin so to speak. If someone had never been in a relationship, they're not going to know what went right and what went wrong.

So when you start to recognize your past experiences and what your trigger points are, it is innate. Listen, if you go back anthropologically, I'm sure you've read Sex of Dawn and a lot of people have a wonderful book. It's their view on it. It's a wonderful book. It's their view on it. We were not created or programmed or evolved to be monogamous. I agree. And that doesn't mean that you have to go sleep around.

I believe the true open relationship is not when you share your partner with others. It's when you share yourself completely with your partner. And then at that point, you and Ross can decide. Holly and I can decide. I'm not supposed to be here. Right. Right. Exactly. Right. But it's jealousy. You've got to understand your trigger points.

And all right, what is it I'm jealous? Am I jealous or actually insecure that I'm gonna lose something I have or that I lost something in the past that I don't ever wanna lose again? Right, abandonment. Abandonment, right. So the second I see someone else,

it's gonna be like, oh my God, or she hotter, what are just the fifth, like you're way in with all of her insecurity? Like is she better than me? Oh my God. Right, like watching someone else, you were like, God, I god, or she had her, what are just the things that you've got with all of her insecurities, like is she better than me? Oh my god. Right, like watching someone else, you were like, god, I didn't do never touch his balls like that. I mean, do you have anything that's kind of things? I don't know, I think in the moment it's just so hot that someone, like, he gives me great pleasure.

And now he's giving someone else great pleasure. And because I trust him so well, that girl's going home. I'm with him. See? And I understand how people can get really insecure about that. And oh my gosh, is he going to fall in love with her? Is he going to do this?

Or is she going to fall in love with her? Yeah, it's going both ways. But I don't ever get that. And if I do start to get that little tingling, I just immediately tell him. It's not, I don't mean. It's not, I don't mean. I don't know.

Yeah, right. Because it's not his fault. I just tell him and he's like done. So it's almost like you're observing him going, well, that's amazing that he gives me pleasure. And it's almost like if he was like a lawyer and you watch him and he's like done. So it's almost like you're observing him going, well, that's amazing that he gives me pleasure and it's almost like if he was like a lawyer and you watch him and like doing a trial like in place. That's so hot. How he's like looking at the show orgasm watching the other woman orgasm while being with me sexually because I'm also paying attention to Holly. It's not just one except the

times there are times she'll she'll say just focus on her completely. I'm getting off right now. And there are times if she's with a man, I would say the same thing because I enjoy I'm a straight man. Any guy that or a couple, we really don't play with single guys. Any couple would be with us a straight man to or at least respects that I am. So there's pleasure, you know, if I were to say you can't play with men. Now pockets, Holly said what's your name? I turned it name pockets.

You guys have to listen to swing. You have to listen to the show. And what do you say? You're far more I'm more I'm far more by than guy. I like women. Yeah, beautiful. I know I so I get it, you know Let's say you and Ross and Helen I get together however. You're very bisexual if you are and pockets So it's just the two of you played that was it. That's hot right? I'm touching you and I'm touching Holly

That's hot. We just have to make sure you you and I'm touching Holly, that's hot. We just have to make sure you're in rhythm though because if we're both behind you doggie style and you're like touching teeth, that's not fun. That's what's the point. That's the point, man. Right, exactly. Okay, I got it.

That's a good vision. That's hot. That is a hot vision. I like it. Yeah, I do too. Yeah. Okay, so, right? That's good.

I like that. I always got such a... But what about, okay, so another thing is people who are like, a lot of people are, I think, more than ever now, looking at nominogamy as an option. But there's also polyamorous relationships, and I think that could be really confusing for people, like, because people in polyamorous relationships,

you know, have a primary partner, and they do develop feelings and have emotions and attachments for others. And so, what do you think draws, is it just, you're a personality type, or do you think people get confused by that ever? I think it's a personality type. I personally couldn't do it myself, but I praised those that can.

I don't, yeah, and I have an issue when anyone, and you're not saying that, though we've had these debates when we welcome them on our show, I remember having this discussion with a couple on the new, which is now canceled, Bricky Lake show, is myself Dan Savage and Simone Bienn who you know. Yeah. It there's no hierarchy in the sexual alternative life. Okay. Polyamory, Swinger, lifestyle, BDSM, King Thompson. Polyamory to me, the way I simplify it, is with Swing, you're falling in like with

polyamory, you may fall in love. And like Holly said, there's nothing wrong with that. It's just different strokes for different folks. We've had polyamory come. Literally, right. Yeah, we've had literally in how much you can stroke never. And with the sipping, you can do a lot. Well, with the sipping, you can stroke a lot.

Never. That's true. That damn sipping has moves that are amazing. Oh my god. Oh my god. Mine blowing. Yeah. So I go back to that though, I get a little upset when a polyamorous couple

has said to us, well, you know, you're just like animals, you sleep with anybody. No, we don't. Right, you tell like you just go there, like who's a free right now, you take a number, that couple, yeah. You were there. Yeah.

There are beautiful couples there. There were, to me, a nine, I don't like to use numbers. A nine can become a three pretty quick, and a five can become an eighth because of personality. Right. So we are getting to know you a little bit. There are people that have sports acts. Right, for sure.

That's not Holly and I. No, you guys go there and you get to. We get to know you a little bit. We're more social swingers than sexual swingers. And it's not like anybody can go to these, because everyone has to know the rules ahead of time. It's not just like, if people aren't even like, how can I go?

How can all of us go out with Holly and Michael? Like you have to, it's really just single women and couples, right? So single men, if you're interviewed first, because again, the perception of a single guy is that he's just gonna be looking to get laid. And the thing is, right, which he is, but he has a lot of people that are just observing.

And that's fine too. Dude, did you talk to Daniel Stern, Swingland? Yeah, you guys introduced me to him. That was a great show, you guys check it out. And I, yeah, I mean, you're amazing in all your shows. So what I love about Daniel is, and he'll tell you, a guy that looks like Brad Pitt gets almost no action, he looks like Pat Noswald.

The comedian, he's a little better looking to Pat Noswald, and he's getting action all the time. Because of his personality. There you go. He's such a good guy and he's so respectful. He gets it. Mm-hmm. Yeah, he does get it. He wrote the book.

Yes, I'm like, now you're a book. I mean, did you write this book because you think it is so confusing for people how to navigate it? For that, to answer a lot of the questions that people, you know, when you speak, you can have a thousand people sitting there. You ask if there's questions.

Nobody raises their hand. That's true. Then you're stuck for two hours after answering, and I don't mean stuck in a bad way. You're one off questions it's now all in the book. If you're nervous to ask it and for the and our publicist or Holly herself literally have to pull me away I'll stay in answer all them. I'm the same way. No, I did this party the other night and like no silence it was like and it was like a party it was helping this you know it was like 25 women and they were like staring at me and like well well, here's toys,

here's no other questions. And then I go to leave and they're like, come here. Yeah. So I don't want to have sex with my husband and I don't, you know, it's everything. And I'm like, oh my god. So to write this is like you said, it's, you know, sex pillars of a healthy relationship.

How to go from icy to spicy. Then you're happy. Because if you have cracks, if you and Ross, for example, were having issues, I would advise going to a party. Because if you're not having sex or fun sex together, going to a party and having sex with the boss. That's not gonna be that. Exactly.

It's gonna hurt you. Right, exactly. I totally get it. So, do you remember that scene? I'm sorry, I want to ask you. You remember that scene because you brought this up to Holly. The movie Airplane. Do you remember the Airplane?

When the husband and wife are sitting there, the flight attendant comes up and says, would you like a second cup of coffee? He said, yes. And the wife in her head said, I don't remember him ever having a second cup of coffee? He said, yes. And the wife in her head said, I don't remember him ever having a second cup of coffee. You can't do that in the lifestyle. Because different is not better or worse. Different is different.

And that's what makes a lifestyle so fun. Have you ever seen no couples? Like what are some of the pitfalls? Like is already coming up? Oh, there they go. This is the commenting that comes up at some parties. Oh yeah. I wouldn't say the commenting that comes up at parties parties. Oh yeah. I wouldn't say the common thing that comes up at parties,

but I know that, yeah, there's personalities and attitudes. Yes, one woman just goes crazy or one man is like, oh my God, I can't see you do this. And they're okay with it at first. They go there and they're having a good time and then someone just blows up. Right, because in reality, you think about it, but you're there, you're like, it's a confanity.

Sometimes you want to keep them in your head And sometimes you want to live them out We're talking about safe words because there's something that happens. Don't cause a scene use a word or don't give a look We had that on season one of swing and one woman got mad. There were a newbie couple Which means they've never been in the lifestyle. You should have known he said I can't I don't know Maybe you had constipation. I don't know I don't know, maybe you had constipation. I don't know. You don't know. You can't just know.

It's that communication exactly. It is. Also, you get a sense and your intuition kicks in. I believe women, no offense to my gender. You women have a much better intuition than we do. What do we do? You know. You know when somebody is there to replace somebody.

We can tell when a guy is looking to replace his wife or the woman he's with or a woman's their scouting or recruit. Maybe you and this though is better for my gender. Guys, we applaud each other when you're in a good relationship. A lot of women we see in and out of lifestyle. Well, if that guy is happy with her and she's happy with him, I can make him happier and we'll try to steal them all back. Tell us seeing competition. You must get it because Holly's your beautiful. Thank you. You're a tractor man. You guys must have a lot of that. We've more so. We don't even deal with it. Yeah, I know you think you're beautiful. You're a tractor-bent. You guys must have a lot of that, we've more so. We don't even deal with it.

It's just that. I know you're like, right, you're like, I see that. I'm really used to it. You don't have to even someone I'd want to be with. Not in something you want to be around. And you hear stories, oh, this person falls in love over and over and over.

And whether it's the man or the woman, it's just not healthy. And they're not happy. And then they go to try and replace something that's missing. The lifestyle, I look at it this way. Holly is, you know how they say icing on a cake, no. Holly is the cake and the icing and the frosting and the little flowers on top.

Holly is the cake. If we were just happy with that, we're lucky enough to have you or your producers here in the bed with us. Yeah, look at her, no way. How was her boyfriend? Well, no. You are then that layer of frosting in the middle. I don't need that frosting in the middle. I don't need a two layer

cake. No need it, but you're going. I'm like, yeah, more frosting. Yeah, could you like, I just thought there was a script. Oh, that's the better. Yes. That sex I ever have is Holly. And then incredible sex with you is possible because Holly is giving permission. And that's to us what it is. It really, you can tell couples are doing it. There's so many mind-blowing people are thinking like, I'm sure listening to God, there's just, it doesn't make any sense. There's no way. They can't be, I mean, it's just, I think people just get mind-blowing that it can happen.

They do. And they think this is- How was your monogamous life, Selicin? Is it when they think, how's that going for you? Like, I mean, what is having interesting sex? Which we hear from every day, couples are not. Right. They're not day, couples are not. And they're not communicating,

they're not talking what they want. And so that's not really, we're working for you either or so. When the CDC did a recent study, and I talk about this a lot, it was, I think, three years ago and they were looking at open relationships and monogamous relationships and the incidence of sexually transmitted infections.

Let's not kid ourselves, SCDs. It's 2015, not that we should talk about it, but rapid. Right. Come on. Everyone knows what's to blame if you don't, whether it's pregnancy or STI's, STDs, it's 2015, not that we should talk about it, but wrap it. Right. Come on. Everyone knows it's a blame if you don't, whether it's pregnancy or STI's STDs. They looked at it and they found statistically significant, double digit difference. The open relationships had a lower rate of STDs than monogamous. Now when you, and you know this as a researcher, when you ask the couple or the individual's

anonymous, you're doing it individually, not as a couple, couple open or monogamous then it takes you down another path One of the last questions for the monogamous people have you or are you currently cheating on your partner? 47% of them yes So if you're willing to do one risky behavior You're willing to do more which is unprotected sex. Yeah, it's true and when you ask well You aren't you guys freaks no, we like to get freaky We're not freaks. And what you're hearing here is possible for everybody

as you witnessed with Ross, as long as you're willing to talk. Sure. And they might even help couples talk. I mean, I'm not saying you got to jump into it. Right. I mean, that's the thing on the show, because we do get so many emails, a week people, and so much of it,

they can tell me their whole life story. And it's like, they can't talk, but they just can't talk to the part about it. They just can not communicate. And so what are some good communication tools you think for couples to explain to them, even just to start talking about sex? Because there's couples who have been together for years and they can't talk about it. So asking for what we want.

Michael came up with a 12 minute rule. You should just sit down for 12 minutes and just talk about it. A day? A day? Yes. Just a few minutes. No bills, no down for 12 minutes and just talk about. Talk about. Yes. Just talk minutes. No bills, no kids, no nothing. Oh, anything. Talk about something.

Just talk, yeah, but you don't, you're at Thank You Honey for reminding me that. Don't talk about bills, problems, words, kids, family, nothing. Talk, talk about a movie if you want. Something you heard funny if you want. And it starts to take those walls down, I found. Another thing, and I suggest doing it at least three times a week.

I'd love everyone to do it every day. Pockets and I try to do that in the morning and in the evening. We just have fun, Holly, and I just open up and share. The other thing is I also believe you should ask your partner three questions once a week, just any three questions. Because you start to bring walls down. I believe in a fantasy box, which is difficult because there's only two of you.

Sure, you're gonna know whose fantasy it is. The rule up front is we don't judge. The biggest thing I heard when 50 Shades came out. The reason so many men and women felt comfortable sharing with their partner. Not Holly, you know, no offense. Holly didn't like the book that much. What I loved about it was that it got people talking. That's the only thing I like about it.

It gave them a route to go with our show on TV and radio. A lot of people have used it as that catalyst. Because truth is, you bring up something that's not the norm and the partner typically freaks out. Right. A couple days later they'll come back and say, let's talk about it. It's just the matter of beginning the conversation. The other way to do it is to say, I would like to share with you things I share with my best girlfriend and my best guy friend. Because there's nothing, my phone is unlocked by Holly.

Right, there's nothing in her, she can't see. Right. So there's nothing I'm sharing with anyone else that I haven't already or will share with Holly. And I believe when couples hold, you know, when you have a secret, you know there's a reason you have that secret. Right, you just stick as your secret.

Yeah, there you go. I love her. Yeah, that's true. So the fantasy box, so let's say a couple, they're like, we've never talked about sex life. Right, I've never had no orgasm with my partner. We've been together and I've been faking, or whatever they've never done it. So usually they sit down and they each like,

right, it's kind of like sexual fructal. Yeah, right on five fantasies. Each, you put them in the box, you shake the box up maybe one night a month, maybe one night a week. You pull something from the box and you agree you're gonna do it. That night. Well, eventually, eventually. Maybe it's anticipation, you can look for the weekend. Or the conversation. It gets the conversation going, that's not my thing, but maybe if we use...

Exactly. You know, more loop with that, that'd be fun. You didn't mention loop, yeah. Yeah, there you go, more loop. We know people, for example, listen to this couple. She has fantasized about what's known as a gangbing. There you go. You didn't mention limp, yeah. Yeah, there you go. More Lu, we know people, for example, lose to this couple. She has fantasized about what's known as a gangbing. So her having sex with multiple men, her husband didn't know. And we encouraged them to talk.

And she told him, to date they've had the best sex they've ever had, they've never done the gangbing. What she wanted to do was live it out in a fantasy with him. So while they're having foreplay and while they're having actual sex penetration, they talk about it. He understands that it's not to replace him, it's just something she always wanted to do. Right, so he's like, hey babe right now,

this other guy, like he explains it, yeah, I've had that. Yeah, it's hot, it's totally, so yeah, he would be like, oh, right now these guys, they want you, it's so hot, and so she's kind of like experiencing it, yeah. That's a little awkward. And he used toys to replace, you know, it's on his penis at that point. Now it's a toy that's somebody else. And they've gone that way. And there's, you know,

like airtight. But there's like, it's better for it. Because they opened up and not Pandora's box, but like the good Pandora's box. Exactly. No, you're absolutely right. It's just opening it up. It doesn't have to be. If you learn just so afraid about being judged, that the partner's not going to love him anymore, but if you are in a healthy place, and if you're not getting the second, you have nothing to lose at this point. If you are suffering in your sex life, you have nothing to lose by not sharing what it is you want.

And maybe you don't know exactly what you want either. I think some women sometimes, and men, who are so, I've never even actually found a star. I've never, so start, like, you know, listening to your show or read this book. Welcome to the lifestyle that you get at your website. Now that ours, good. The xclub.com. The xclub.com.

The xclub.com. Watch porn with it. Whatever it is. Another great introduction. Watch, you know, adult content. It's free. Exactly. Oh my gosh, it's free.

You know what I've taught you? Like, would you find hot in that scene? That's a good, you just need something else as a catalyst. Okay, now quick shout out to our sponsors. Thanks for supporting them, and we'll be right back. How do you guys feel about helping me answer some emails? For some people, some listeners here who I think you could, they could really benefit from your knowledge.

Okay, thank you for emailing me. Feed sexwithemily.com. I love hearing from you and I also love when you include your name, you can fake the name, but tell me where you are listening from and how well you are and also how you listen. Okay, Emily, my fiance and I have been together for a little over five years now. We have a child together and she's another, they are four and eight. I'm 25 and let's face it, I'm your typical guy. I love sex and everything in between. I guess I have a two part question. How much sex is realistic for a couple per week? In my opinion, our sex life is dull. It's always the same unless we've had a few drinks. She doesn't like new things, doesn't like to go down to me even though she knows I like it and I go

down to her constantly and she makes sex really awkward. Any advice? The relationship is already struggling but I don't know how much more of it to the second handle. Thanks so much. I love your podcast and everything you write and put out Tim. So Tim, they've got two kids, they've been together and he wants, first of all, everyone asks, what's normal for sex per week? I mean, there's no normal. You don't want to be statistical. I mean, you don't want to be the statistical normal

average in the United States, which is what I think one point two times. What's point two, is that where you owe somebody for stealing their money? I don't know either. You're like, I almost gave you a blowjob, but they're not ranked. It was a tip, just a tip.

Right, just a hood. I agree with you, the dude. I think you have to communicate on what's normal for both of you. Right, because you can come to that together. on what's normal for both of you, right? Because you can come to that together. You can come to that realization of like if but if he wants five times We can she wants one well, then it's it's common. I believe though, and it's another thing I respect about you There are some people in our business that Okay, here's the thing in my opinion Tim somebody can teach you

Because you do this like we do this and you do both sides. I only do one side. You can learn how to have a better orgasm. You can learn how to figure someone better with kind of a link is or give a better blow job so to speak. If you're not happy at home, it ain't happening. So what I love what you do and what we do is I look at the sexy psychological side of it.

There's something else going on there. 100% there is something else going on there that's manifesting in no sex. Because when she's not happy when Halt is not happy with me, I won't touch him with a 10-foot pole. Exactly. And it's true. We shut down. Man, how am I? And so do men. I mean, as much as I love when she goes down to me, I would not come up. If I could breathe out of my ears, I'd never come up between your legs. I love it that much. And if you're not enjoying it, just tell me. My point is, I believe that you must talk about what's going on emotionally like you said earlier, like you say when I hear you talk and I listen to your show and like we say, because that's

to me the root there. That's you could be asexual. Right, right. Right. But there's other things like going on. And I feel like he's the guy who's going, you know, I go down and you why are not getting blow jobs? Like that's the last way you're going to get to. Not rest of Rossini. No. And that's where we call taking you back to the lifestyle. Never take one for the team. I would never ask Holly, hey, let's go hook up with this woman or that couple because

I want to be with her. Why don't like them? Do it for me. That's taking that. Never. That builds resent. And that's what he made Tim maybe doing is she's getting resentful. The way he might be even approaching it too.

And they have kids. He might not be taking care of her needs. He might be able to help her with what she needs. He might not feel nurtured just because he needs blow jobs. She might need him to empty out the dishwasher, or whatever. I'll give her emotional support. I said that.

Is he dead? He's in front of the dishwasher. He said, how do, especially at this time, when you're just giving presents to each other, how do you make sure you know your partner knows that you love them? I'm like, it's the little series. Just material.

Putting your clothes off, the underwear off the floor, putting away the dishes, things like that. That tells me you love me because I'm stressed about this and you're stressed about this. So find ways to help each other not just in bed. Exactly. I mean, let's not kid ourselves. Sex is important.

If Ross wasn't providing sex, actually all the other stuff might be okay, but if you're not getting what you need sexually, you need to have that talk. Get out, get out, get out. Right, it's over, that's true. So yeah, I think Tim just like, you know, reduce your stress, take things off or plates,

start to talk to our communication. It was a lubrication, Tim. I don't know that you've talked to her in a way that maybe the most productive, if you're like, I'm not getting BJs, that's not gonna. I tell her she's beautiful for her during the day, that those pants look great on you. Is it a kidy body image? I don't know what, that those pants look great on you. Is it gonna be body amazes?

She may have a baby. You have your two kids that guys don't understand that either. This is where I was saying I said to her, I was like, just because I know you think I might, just sometimes it'd be nice to, I've never been with it because I always required it. And it's not like I'm so insecure and I, it's just you want to hear that as a woman.

Like you just want to hear like, you know, I'm to him into you. I mean, you know, I feel like he never dies. But it just, yeah you. I mean, you know, never die through. But it just, yeah, exactly. Oh, we go through. Go through a lot. To what?

I did not wake up like this. No. I don't know. You got to come spend the night. We'll find out. Exactly. It was a lot going on. Who's going to get this over with the show?

Yeah. OK. So sex, we got another email. You talk about sex with a selfish lover. Hi, Emily. First of all, I just want to say your advice. It's amazing and helpful and I wish there were more people out there like you who seek to educate people about sex in a positive, healthy, and pleasurable way. Hi Michael here. They do that too. You are awesome. Anyway, I'm 22 from Massachusetts and I've

been our main main and I've been in a relationship with my boyfriend for a little over two years now. He's my first boyfriend and we started dating freshman year in college, however, he has a few things about him that bugged me and make it really hard to be in a relationship with. He's so much selfish, insensitive, and has been that way all his life. He tries hard to understand, uh, understanding, and I can see that, so I try not to push him, but when it comes to sex, it's a little scary for me to try to get him to focus on more. He's only the second guy I've had sex with, and I've yet to come during sex. I know it's sad.

I just want our sex to be better because I love him, and I don't want to break up with him because of the sex. Just wait, this gets into more interest. I've attempted to cheat all the time, and I don't even really feel bad for about it. I've been pretty sexual from middle school on, and I have to basically rely on masturbating. But my boyfriend isn't even that sexual person.

I could have sexed twice a day, he's not like that. I know that he watches porn sometimes, but he's told me before that he can go a year without sex. I know, this is so loaded that it's almost like, whoa, I don't have two hours to go. Right, exactly. Help, I love him, but I'm scared to introduce him to my freaking ass. Thanks, Daisy.

I know. I kind of broke it down. I want to replace him in this too, because there was a lot going on. So Daisy got a lot of going on. This is what she's told us in this brief email. You've been together two years. He's selfish and his whole life, apparently.

You've never had an orgasm with him. You haven't shown him your freaky side. And you're afraid to talk to him about your sexual needs. Oh, and you're considering cheating. They just get out of that relationship. Yeah. I mean, that's not a healthy relationship. I mean, it's a therapy. Figure some stuff out. And don't cheat. No. I don't want to cheat on them. I just need your first boyfriend too. You know, when you're young, it's your first boyfriend, your attached. You don't want regret later. Oh, I shouldn't have been with him. I wasted two years. You know what? I looked at this way with my first wife.

If I say any longer, I'll waste more time. Yeah, not a waste. I didn't waste time. I learned. You learned. And if she's masturbating all the time, I would think that she could teach him what to do. Mietro masturbation.

Mietro masturbation. Use his hand. You guide his hand. Allow him to show you show him how you want to be pleasure. Right. Now if he's that selfish though, you show him how you want to be pleasure. Right. Now if he's that selfish though, you guys. I feel like she's not telling him everything. She's not communicating.

She isn't communicating at all. So we create all these things in our mind and we've never, I do that to them. Now, thank God I have such good girlfriends. I'll be like, this and this, like have you ever told them, even, I'm not freaking perfect. I'm like, oh no, I guess, you know,

and then you just talk about it. And it's so easy to share with someone else what to do than for us. So easy, and that's what we have our friends because they're like, wait, Emily, back up. So yeah, I think that you just, you know, you could try talking to him being honest, but also it's been two years

and she hasn't let her freak flag fly at all. I wonder too, we always say TTC, trust, talk, listen, communicate. Is she listening to him too? There could be something she's missing as selfish as he is, What is he telling you? Because if you really is that bad, come on you guys. Get out of that relationship. Let your free flag fly. Be single for a while. Be a unicorn in the lifestyle. Yeah. Listen to more sex with

Emily. Listen to swing with Holly and Michael and you, I mean, seriously, get out and have fun. Well, we had a couple of friends this in the lifestyle and they were married very young. I think first boyfriend girlfriend and got married and had a baby the lifestyle and they were married very young. I think first boyfriend girlfriend and got married and had a baby and everything and they didn't know each other was freaks. They would go masturbate to porn by themselves and one day it just got to the point and they said, I'm doing this and he says, I'm doing this

and they're like, what are we doing? What are we doing together? What do we do it together? And ever since then it's been amazing. That's a thing, it's just that talking and it's like, I always say this, it's like a ribbon abandoned off, you just gotta do it together and ever since then it's been amazing. That's a thing. It's just that talking and it's like I always want to say I always say this is like a ribbon abandoned off. You just got to do it. I could tell you how to but just do it Feel comfortable and just say it and if you're with someone who loves you and respects you and you can find your language It's better than not talking about it. Hey get out now if it's not right. Right. I mean you don't I

Wasting both your time. I had a daughter you had a son with your first marriage They were my ex is a wonderful person just not right for me and you've got to know, I had a daughter. You had a son with your first marriage. They were my exes a wonderful person, just not right for me. And you've got to know, you're not a failure. Right. Daisy's not a failure if she leaves that relationship. She's a failure of she cheats. Right.

To me, cheating is based on lies of deceit. Being an open relationship or communicating is built on trust and honesty. Right, exactly. And 47 people are cheating, which makes me crazy. Oh, gosh. OK, one more. Can we have about three some tips?

Would you have some good? Do you say you guys don't have a lot of three-sums? Oh, that's one. That's one. That's one. We have one. One more. OK, you've already booked.

We do. We booked. Here we go. Oh, no. It was our other guys. We got three-sums. I'm like, what? I don't know.

I just sort of passed together two shows. So this is great. My name is Ali. I'm a 23-year-old't know. I just sort of passed together two shows. So this is great. My name is Ali. I'm a 23 year old married attorney from Ann Arbor, Michigan. I listen to your show during my long commute from Ann Arbor to Lansing every day, and I love it. That's where I went to college. I just want to say I totally get that commute sister.

My husband and I are young, so we pretty open about trying new things. One of the things he's never done is to have a threesome. And he really wants to, of course, what guy does it. We've been talking about it for a year and never acted on it. And I'm off for it. As long as it's someone we aren't great friends with, because I feel like it could ruin a friendship and put tension between us.

Also we have a one year old. And don't want to bring anyone back home with us. That could be awkward. Coming home and sending the nanny home while we have an extra person with us, weird. And having a stranger in our house to have sex with our son is sleeping in his crib, that's not what I want. So, how do we find someone to hook up with?

And second, where would we hook up? Is it okay to bring someone home with us? I know you're from Michigan, so maybe you know some places to find a third, thanks. Yeah, these people who are in Michigan, Michigan, I wasn't having three sons then, but. Midwesk good people, I spent 16 years in Chicago. Right, right, they're good people.

Couple things to think about. You know, if it's somebody you kind of know or you've vetted, then bringing them home, said in any home, they can meet you after. Not such a bad thing when your old's not gonna wake up in the middle. We keep arcing, people ask us, what are your kids know?

They don't ask you again. They don't know. Because anybody that's not in the lifestyle, it says, well, what are your kids? And I say, one is that. They don't know. They don't know. Because anybody that's not in the lifestyle, it says, well, what are your kids? And I say, where is the last time you had sex? Well, no need to just answer me. When was the last time? Three nights ago.

And then I say, did you tell your kids? No, you don't need to tell them when and who you're having sex with. Go back to the threesome. Right. First, we pick up a lot. When I say pick up, we meet a lot of women on Bumble, which is a new app and Tinder.

Okay. Tons of women we have three sims with from there. Also adult friendfinder, Cassidy, three sims again, it's about the sex. Go to a lifestyle party because you can have a three sim at those. How do they find them in Michigan? I'm just wondering like, on the adult friendfinder would list it or- A adult friendfinder doesn't tend to list it. No, they don't list it. Cassidy lifestyle lounge, S&C. Cassidy was okay. Okay. They have an events page. It's free. Don't sign up in your area

Unless you know you're gonna do this. Go to the events page though. That's free Find something going on in your area. Yeah, if you don't want to see something in your area It's Detroit. How far is Detroit or yeah? Yeah, not far at all. Whatever it's right drive their go to a party there Contact you contact us and we can let you know about the Yeah, I think the big thing is is you have to let the woman pick because you don't Gonna be with a woman you should let the woman pick the partner right because she's not Secure about it. Oh, man. As long as the guys in agreement too. Oh, yeah, yeah, of course you mean let the woman pick So do you guys sit there on your phone?

Yeah, I want to do it. I actually would love to look at what you guys... I was like, so you're like, oh, her, her, and then do you guys... How often do you guys agree? Does your group use it like a 50-50 or... We have the same taste. Taste and women. I like you. Go ahead. Yeah, what is your taste? What is it? Good-looking fun.

Yeah, I look good smile. I love eyebrows. I don't know why. I love eyebrows. What is it? Good-looking. How do you get to sense for them? It's not necessarily blonde, brunette, big, small. Nothing like that. It's just... In their picture, are they smiling? Are they photoshopped? I'm not going to make breakfast for you in the morning. Right. And with a threesome, that too, figure out what the two of you want.

Do you want someone who's going to spend the night or are they leaving after? Right. Where do you want to have this done? You can rent a hotel room. There's nothing wrong with that. Get a hotel room. A lot of these places, though, be upfront. Let them know what you're looking for.

And the other thing I want to do is, you know, I'm going to have a hotel room. I'm going to have a hotel room. I'm going to have a hotel room. I'm going to have a hotel room. I'm going to have a hotel room. I'm going to have a hotel room. done? You can rent a hotel room. There's nothing wrong with that. Get a hotel room. A lot of these places though, be upfront. Let them know what you're looking for. And the other thing I warn though, and I'm not saying she's doing it, this isn't a trap. If you're going to have a threesome with him and another woman, make sure you're doing it because you want to also, not because you later expect him to have one with you and another man. That's not fair. See is that common? There's a lot of women who are like, what's a double standard?

Why can't I have it with the man? Right. And that's where I believe a lot of problems arise. Well, I let you do it. Now, you have to let me hold on. You should have been clear up front. Yeah, not a quit pro. Quit pro pro.

Always. With that. Okay. That's interesting. So you guys find the person together and you have to agree and all that. And so that's interesting. So what on the profiles? Do you meet that? I was just going to ask you the process. So you find someone bumble for example. Yeah, right. And you're like, do you meet up first for a drink?

Yes. Yes. Yes. Yeah, wherever. Cause what if you don't have chemistry? Right. You meet somebody. Yeah. Can you tell like, yeah, I can. I can. I can. I like it. I like it. Or yeah.

A lot of times the one we met, we call our London. We'll just to protect our identity. Unfortunately, a lot of people that are in the lifestyle or enjoy casual sex and not labeling themself, they're professionals, no matter what they do, they get out of, they can lose their job. They can be the families and all that. So we call her London, we have a great time with her,

we met her near our house for drinks. Perfect. Geographically desirable. Yeah, GD, myically, my grandma used this. Or GUD. Geographically undesirable. So they have to drive us. Holly never driving that far.

So because remember, if they flake or say, no, I don't care. I have Holly. Right. If we get there to meet them and it's not good, I don't care. I have Holly. Right, exactly.

So we meet them. And if chemistry is there great, tomorrow night we're meeting somebody new and we're meeting her out. If there's chemistry, great. We'll go back to the house. If not, nope. Right. And we sure them and if chemistry is there great tomorrow night we're meeting somebody new and we're meeting Or out if there's chemistry great we'll go back to the house if not nope right and we share custody of our kids So if anyone's asking or thinking we have 50 50 custody and they're always with us at the same time got it So they're not home we can do something. Right exactly and they don't but what about you? You do your swing they could go you do swing show the kid who at home

They they have seen pockets is a pictorials forboy, because she's posed three times for playboy. Our daughter just, now that she's 11, has asked that Holly not do any more nude modeling until she's out of high school. Our son, it was an uncomfortable conversation when I had with them. We do more, and I just, yeah. It was her ex-husband that said, Michael,

I think you should talk to our son about, you know, the pictorials, and this was earlier this year, and I said, all right, you don't want to be there. No, just can you do it? Could you allow the answers? You will. Yeah. So I did and all he said was, thanks for bringing me to Starbucks, thanks for getting

in my favorite things, really uncomfortable conversation. And I'm happy for my mom that she's proud of herself. And that's it, you know, that's really a boob. There's knowledge of power though. No kids can blackmail him or bully him right because they seem as mon naked tastefully When they can right I've seen the taste. I was actually I was on playboy radio. What show was that? I was on sunny you were a thos it out. Yes, but I actually meant to put I take a picture of you guys that you're in the hallway I playboy there was the hottest picture of you guys and I took a picture and I was we're doing a new photos tomorrow

Yes, are you are and that's awesome. You're actually the commercial for your episode plays during our show Really? Yeah, we heard you today and I come back on air. I said that was Emily. That's a funny. I love it. Well, I were gonna come back on your show as well. I would love it. And thank you both for being on the show. This was amazing. As always. Thank you. You're welcome. And so, okay, so this will all be on our website as well, but they can find the main site we want to give out is.

Hollywood, Holly and Michael.com, however playboyradio.com is but they can find the main site we want to give out is. Holly and Michael.com have a Playboy radio.com is where you can find everything about the show. Holly and Michael.com will direct you there too. Okay, and then the book we can just list the website that they can get it. The X Club. The X Club. And we'll have this on our site too because you guys really it's free. You put your email addresses and all the email addresses and all the questions you have about the lifestyle.

And you're also, did you graduate or you're getting your- I'm like PhD candidate, yeah, psychology. Congratulations on that. I didn't know that you like blew my mind and I'm like, how do you do that as well? I know, I know. You know what it's like, come on, you did it. Yeah, I think it's not easy.

No, it's not though. I'm even more in love with you and proud of you going through the struggle again myself. Having been you all, you guys are both doing so great. And you guys really are like an amazing couple. I was like, I was like, because we were talking with this show, like you don't understand, like I, there's no, like I know them. I love them. They're amazing. So thank you for being here. It was great. And thank you, Madison, producer Madison, thank you, Laurie. And thanks to everyone

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