Sex With Emily - How Childhood Trauma Shows Up in Your Sex Life

Episode Date: September 23, 2025

EVERYONE who signs up wins a FREE WhisperVibe™ OR a FREE Rose toy with any Whisper™ order! https://www.bboutique.co/vibe/emilymorse-podcast Join the SmartSX Membership : https://sexwithemily.co...m/smartsx Access exclusive sex coaching, live expert sessions, community building, and tools to enhance your pleasure and relationships with Dr. Emily Morse. List & Other Sex With Emily Guides: https://sexwithemily.com/guides/ Explore pleasure, deepen connections, and enhance intimacy using these Sex With Emily downloadable guides. SHOP WITH EMILY!: https://bit.ly/3rNSNcZ (free shipping on orders over $99) Want more? Visit the Sex With Emily Website: https://sexwithemily.com/ In this Sex with Emily episode, Dr. Emily sits down with Violet Benson. Violet opens up about her intentional decision to step back from penetrative sex while working through attachment patterns that clouded her judgment in relationships. How do you know when sex is creating unhealthy emotional attachment versus genuine connection? Violet shares her realization that sleeping with someone too quickly led her to ignore red flags and chase unavailable partners who mirrored her childhood feelings of being "not enough." The conversation dives into Violet's egg freezing experience, including the intense hormonal and emotional effects that doctors failed to prepare her for. Violet takes Emily's Sex IQ quiz from the book Smart Sex, reflecting on how much her relationship with her body and pleasure has evolved. They tackle a listener question about pursuing someone with major red flags just for physical chemistry, with both hosts emphasizing the importance of honest self-reflection over justification. The episode explores embracing "clinginess" in dating, why vulnerability beats playing games, and how foreplay truly starts outside the bedroom. Throughout, Emily and Violet reinforce that understanding your patterns is the first step to breaking cycles that don't serve you. Timestamps: 0:00 - Intro 2:13 - Violet's dating hiatus 5:42 - Turning fears into boundaries 8:37 - Understanding attachment styles and childhood trauma in relationships 11:43 - Egg freezing experience 16:17 - Managing mental health during hormonal changes 21:00 - Sex IQ Quiz 26:31 - Listener question: Detaching emotions from physical intimacy 30:30 - Why being vulnerable beats playing games 35:41 - Why people are having less sex and connection 38:15 - Top 3 tips for authentic dating and better relationships 40:42 - Rapid-fire questions: Turn-ons, turn-offs, and relationship advice

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Starting point is 00:01:04 Okay, what if? So what? Then at least you tried. Right. You're listening to Sex with Emily. I'm Dr. Emily, and I'm here to help you prioritize your pleasure and liberate the conversation around sex. Today, I'm sitting down with Violet Benson.
Starting point is 00:01:20 She has built a community of over 5 million followers by being refreshingly honest about dating and relationships. In this conversation, Violet opens up about her decision to temporarily step back from penetrative sex while working through her own patterns around intimacy and attachment. She shares her experience freezing her eggs and we dive into her philosophy on embracing clinginess in dating. Why being vulnerable and authentic is the antidote to our current dating culture. Violet takes my sex IQ quiz from my book Smart Sex and we tackle a listener question about whether it's worth pursuing someone with red flags just for, for the physical chemistry. My intention is to model what it looks like
Starting point is 00:02:00 to be vulnerable in ways that ultimately serve your sex life and relationships. I think we can all learn how to identify our patterns more clearly and stop playing games that keep us from real connection. All right, let's get into the episode. Violet Benson is a blogger, comedian, television hosts, and internet personality, most known for her Instagram page,
Starting point is 00:02:23 Daddy Issues, and her biweekly podcast, almost adulting. She's been featured by MTV, notably providing pre-show coverage for the Video Music Awards and Vanity Fair. Name the Instagram meme queen. She rose to prominence curating original memes, earning a following of over 5 million Instagram followers on her daddy issues account and an additional million followers across her personal and podcast accounts. All right, let's get into the conversation. Violet Benson. Hi, beauty. So good to see you. So good to see you too. Welcome to my home. It's really love being in your home. It's always evolving. I love that it's so colorful and bright right now.
Starting point is 00:02:58 Yeah. Energetically, I feel like you're in a good place. Yes, I am. I love that. Yes. Tell me everything. Last time you were on the podcast, you said you would stop dating. Wow, okay.
Starting point is 00:03:09 So catch us up, Violet, because you know, on your podcast, you give a lot of advice. You're very immersed in dating and you help others. I feel like I'm actually always dating. Like, I think I'm not dating, but I'm actually never alone. I'm never single. And I think I'm just such a. a lover girl in a weird way where I just love love. But one thing that I did do the past year is where I decided to stop having sex. For me, because I felt like I want to work on myself and I felt
Starting point is 00:03:41 that I didn't know how to have intimacy with someone without just sleeping with them and just assuming that's intimacy because I struggle with intimacy in general with, you know, daddy issues. And I think I was myself emotionally unavailable. And instead of getting to know someone, sometimes I would just be thinking about sex a lot. And by the way, I can count on both hands, the amount of men that I've slept with. So it's not like I was just getting into bed with every person, but it was more that I choose someone. I don't know them at all. I have sex with them. And I'm like, okay, I'm just going to love them now for the next six months. And then it's not working out. It doesn't matter. I'm not seeing the red flags. Then I'm ignoring it because I'm like, well,
Starting point is 00:04:20 He was already inside of me, so you should try to make it work. And it's like, if I didn't sleep with that person, it wouldn't have clouded my judgment. And I would have been like, hey, you know what? He hates the Jews. Maybe I shouldn't be having sex with a guy that wants my people kill. You know, I'm obviously, I'm being sarcastic. You got what I'm saying. It's like you kind of open your eyes versus.
Starting point is 00:04:42 Yeah, but that was him last week. Like, he's changed. He hasn't met me yet. you're saying you placed a lot of value on the penetrative sex and you thought that maybe if you didn't have penetration but you just sort of were with others like that's culturally like we want keep our numbers down like you just said to me I can count on one hand right this value so much shame both hands so much shame let's not get crazy both hands for you and for many women when we have sex with somebody penis goes into our vagina we are it's someone's entering us as we become
Starting point is 00:05:14 attached it's more about how it makes me feel and it's my boundaries with my a lot of times I think we have all these fears and we don't realize that we can fix those fears if we create boundaries with them instead. So for example, if my fear is that if I sleep with someone, they're not going to treat me the way I want to be treated or I'm going to feel unloved or my fears that it's going to really get to me and it's going to put me in some bad mental state. I'm not going to shame myself for going through those experiences. I've decided to change my perspective regarding that instead of like, okay, you know what, that's just who I am. That's how I deal with things. It's going to happen to me. And I'm not going to suppress that.
Starting point is 00:05:54 So instead, I turn my fear into a boundary, meaning my boundary now is to not just sleep with someone too fast because then if it doesn't work out or if they make me feel unloved, I can walk away from it versus in the past. I would just continue chasing them. And now it's more like it becomes my unresolved childhood trauma that I'm just not trying to go towards. Okay. That sounds like a a healthy way to deal with it. And it's probably a little bit of both. Like maybe you felt attached, but also psychologically we get into patterns where you feel like I sleep with someone I'm attached. So sometimes I think we can work around that. You don't have to be attached because it's a pattern of being attached to somebody. But the point is what you're saying
Starting point is 00:06:32 right now, if something doesn't make me feel good, I'm just not going to do it. That's such a great lesson. I feel like that's a lesson for so many people that we don't often pay attention to that. So you're like, okay, I'm not going to do that. And now I'm just going to date, but have no sex. Yeah. So first it was, And it would all happen because I think sometime the end of 2021, I was trying to have like a one-night stand with this guy. And then the end would just end up dating. And then I was doing my normal thing where I flip-flop wanting a man to chase me. And then when I flip-flop, they leave because they're like, F this.
Starting point is 00:07:04 And then I suddenly just attached this fantasy to this guy. And I would just be thinking about him a lot. And I know it had to do the fact that we already slept together. So that's why after him, I'd said, okay, enough. It doesn't make me feel good. I created a whole fantasy of someone that I actually don't actually know. No, it's always like lack of information. Aside from that, I'm not actually chasing that person because I do have a choice and I can stop at any time.
Starting point is 00:07:28 I'm purposely chasing someone who's ignoring me because they make me feel exactly how I deep down feel about myself, which is like I'm not enough. Understanding myself so much better because people think sex is just sex. It's not just sex. It's so much more. and it has a lot to do with you. So I decided, okay, I'm just not going to sleep with men until I figure out and work of myself where I feel like I am good enough. And I don't attach how someone treats me as my value.
Starting point is 00:07:54 Then I started dating again, but I just kept my boundary, my fear turned into a boundary where I just wasn't sleeping with guys, but of course, you know, I still have needs. So I still really, you know, enjoyed doing other things. So I was still one guy dated for a couple of months. Like we still did oral sex on one another. but it made me feel for me personally, like I took my power back because I felt that in some way I put such an emphasis on sex that my power got taken away. I lost control when I would sleep with someone because a lot of times we think if a woman
Starting point is 00:08:28 sleeps with a man too fast, we think that, oh, now he's changed. He's different. But a lot of the time, he hasn't changed. He's the same person. But maybe we've changed because now we're paying more attention. Did he always not text me in the morning? or is he not texting me in the morning now because we had sex together? And that's when you get in your head.
Starting point is 00:08:45 And that's when you start to act differently. So life times that happens. But if I'm not sleeping with someone, I'm acting the same and they're acting the same. Like I'm texting with a guy. I responded to him last night. He hasn't responded yet. I'm not sitting here crying over it. So we're talking about penetration.
Starting point is 00:08:59 We're saying you could do everything but like you're going down on him. He's going down on you. Everything happens. Maybe they meet your parents. I don't know. Everything happens but the penetration. The penetration for you is a deciding factor where you're like, you don't get attached.
Starting point is 00:09:12 That's what I put in my head. But I get it. But that makes sense. And I think it's like psychological and biological and emotional. I'll convince myself that I like someone more than I actually like them. So I always get attached, but it's minimal. It's not a way where my attachment happens to connect with my childhood trauma that I thought that you're not enough.
Starting point is 00:09:32 Okay. Here's a thing. A lot of times when it comes to dating and I've studied this a lot, is that healthy relationships can feel uncomfortable for people who didn't grow up with healthy. love. So if I only know love where, like for example, my father growing up where I had to chase to earn that love, then I finally felt like I earned it and deserved it. How is it going to feel normal to me when it's me and another person where they're just freely giving their love to me? Yeah, you're like, oh, this is too easy. It must not be real love. I need the struggle.
Starting point is 00:10:02 Love is a struggle. I started to notice I would break up with the guys and literally a full-on pattern where I break up with guys and then I chase them for them to forgive me. I finally stopped and then I was freezing my eggs. I was in so many hormones and I did that again. And I felt very bad about myself for doing that for repeating a pattern that I thought I healed from and made me feel like shit. I didn't realize that the hormones were in me. Well, the hormones are intense.
Starting point is 00:10:28 I want to hear about your egg freezing too, but I just want to say something that you said about changing our patterns. Here's like a newsflash for everybody. I don't think that we ever completely change. You don't heal mental illness. You don't stop patterns. I think that you learn to manage things and you get better. So the fact that you even...
Starting point is 00:10:46 You get better bouncing back. You get better bouncing back. You're like, okay, that was bad. I fell down and I got back up a lot quicker. It's not about how many times you fall down. It's how quickly you get back up. So maybe you didn't beat yourself about it for days. You're like, oh, there I go.
Starting point is 00:10:57 But it's really, really hard to change these patterns that are so deeply ingrained, especially in how you grew up. Yeah. I mean, it took me forever to realize that I was repeating a pattern. I'm always the one breaking up. them only to then chase them to try to earn that love. And it's so silly. Do you ever tell them that like first date? Do you ever say to them, hey, this is this thing? Because sometimes I've done that to you. I said, listen, this is a thing that I do. I'm trying to remember what that thing was or like I'm going to
Starting point is 00:11:22 you're going to probably think at some point that I don't really like you and then I'm pulling away, but I don't really mean to be doing that. So if this ever comes up, let me know. Or if you ever feel like I have a thing where I'm not great at a wee. I'm always like, well, I'm doing this and I'm doing that if you want to come. And I make people feel that. They hate that. So I was like, if you ever feel that way, let me know because I know it's a pattern. So I'm wondering if you could ever warn guys that you do this thing and just say, be on a lookout for that. Because then it takes the power away from it. And if you do it, you guys can kind of laugh about it. Every time I see you like tombs of research, you're reading, you're writing, you're talking,
Starting point is 00:11:57 you're helping your listeners, you're working on yourself. I feel like you're making so much progress. I haven't seen the guys you didn't. I haven't heard about, but hopefully they are men that are following along a trap with you. I saw a picture. I saw a picture. But I didn't talk to them. They looked cute. They were different. I loved it. I know.
Starting point is 00:12:12 They seemed very different. But hopefully you're, you know, get your needs met from them. And how is the sex when you are having the oral variety? It's exciting. I haven't had oral this year. This year, I've only kissed three guys this year. And it hasn't gone anywhere where I touched their privacy or they touched mine. I would say it's been a dry year, even for me.
Starting point is 00:12:34 I'm not sure what happened this year. We were freezing eggs. Oh, yeah. Should we get to that? But tell me about bad experience to freeze your eggs. What was the decision like? I think it was good that I was freezing my eggs and I, for whatever reason, just posted about it once. And I didn't realize how many other women want to know more about it.
Starting point is 00:12:50 So then I start to document it because I wasn't planning on doing it before. And I think it's good for women to freeze their eggs at a younger age, to preserve their eggs. And that's what I was doing it for. I wasn't doing it because I was infertile or anything like that or because I want a baby tomorrow. because the women of IVF are whole other world, and they're also very sensitive and they take everything very personally because they're going through the struggle
Starting point is 00:13:17 of not being able to have babies and to go through all of that. So you can kind of save yourself some of the headache if you start thinking earlier on. Yeah, you're getting ahead of it. Because you're like, I don't want the pressure that every guy I'm with or whatever that I have to, you know now you can wait.
Starting point is 00:13:29 Well, one thing that a lot of men don't know or women don't know is that men in their late 30s, early 40s, around 40% of men are in, fertile around that age, because I think there's always this whole thing about the women. Yeah, it's always women's fault. Our responsibility, but a lot of the time now, it's a guy's fault. Yeah, their sperm isn't viable, but we always blame the women. Women got so much of the brunt of it, like, I can't get pregnant.
Starting point is 00:13:53 There's something wrong with me, but like it turns out, your sperm gets kind of funky too after a while. We all have to, as you get older. I know, it's just this whole shame around everything. It's exhausting. People shame is exhausting. People shame you for everything. And it's the most random people on the internet who will just, you know,
Starting point is 00:14:07 just shame you and bring you down because they don't feel good about themselves. And it's not easy. Sometimes you can just pass through it, who cares, whatever. But sometimes you're also having a shit day. And then that one comment really does get to you. How do you handle it? I can tell the difference with how I respond or not respond or how I react the rest of my day, whether or not I'm having a good day or not. Right. You're like today, yeah, yesterday this comment would have been fine, but today I'm going to take it down. Look, at the end of the day, things don't affect you unless Deep down, a part, you believe some part of it to be true. That's why a lot of times people talk shit about me, quote, unquote.
Starting point is 00:14:45 I usually don't take offense. And I've always said, people always like, wow, you're so good and not caring. And I said, if someone talks badly about you, when you actually care, you get really offended. The truth is, and you don't want to hear this, but it is the truth. Deep down, a part of you believes that to be true. And that's what you're taking so personally. So if someone suddenly tells me, you're going to be single forever, and I'm having a bad day because I feel like that, yeah, of course it's going to hurt my feelings.
Starting point is 00:15:09 Or who's going to take advice from an old hag? You're going to be single forever. Like, fuck, that person could be right because that's why I felt today. And, you know, that's why you have to just stay away from things that are not good for mental health. I'm not saying then don't grow at all as a person. But is that feedback that I need or is that just plain someone who's mean because they want to see my tits and I won't post them.
Starting point is 00:15:32 So they want to put me down until actually then finally like, oh, you're right. Here are my tits. What do you do in those moments? Do you have any like mental health tools for when you start going down a trap when it doesn't feel good? What I do is what I've learned. And I would say I've learned this more towards the end of last year and this year is to give myself grace. And it seems such a simple thing, but it's not. Sometimes when people say mean things to me and it doesn't offend me, it's because I've literally said worse things to myself. That's why you can't hurt me. So no one talks to ourselves worse than we do. We would never speak the way we talk to ourselves to our best friend.
Starting point is 00:16:06 So that is why I started to give myself grace. And I've learned now that when I'm repeating patterns, like, especially when I was going through the mood swings of the, when I was squeezing my eyes. Well, that must have been a whole thing. I mean, that's one thing that's upsetting. It's like being your period times 20. The doctors, everyone's so focused on your physical health. No one tells you the emotional toll that's going to take.
Starting point is 00:16:25 And then they gaslight you, that other people are over exaggerating. So then you think you're, I thought I was going mental. Towards the end of my stuff, I literally thought I was going mad in my brain. And there was something wrong with me. I was feeling suicidal, I was feeling so emotional. I would just cry for no reason. I broke up with a guy I was dating because I was like, you don't care about me. No one cares about me.
Starting point is 00:16:45 No one gives a shit about what I'm going through. And I literally had a friend staying with me. And she would be like, hey, do you need anything? No, I'm fine. And I'll go in my room and be like, no one even gives a fuck about me. Like I don't, so sorry for swearing. Like, no one cares. I don't get it.
Starting point is 00:16:58 And it's like she just asked me. And I said I was fine because I don't know how to ask for help. And then I'm sitting there. No one's checking in. Well, guess what? if you keep acting like you're okay, no one's going to ask you if you're okay. You can't always just expect people to read your mind. So have you learned to like reach out then to people and let them know what you need? I mean, the egg freezing just recently happened. So I would say the thing is like
Starting point is 00:17:18 you said, we never fully grow out of certain patterns that we have. But the reason you're able to give yourself grace is because you know, I used to feel guilty when I would repeat an old pattern because I thought I've grown it. But then I learned no, it's not about never repeating something. it's how you handle it afterwards, which we just were we talked about. So that means I repeat a pattern and now I know, oh shit, it's happening. Okay, I can get out of it or I can make myself feel better or I can stop myself before it gets worse before I spiral. So that's how I'm able to realize, understand that I'm growing. That's how you grow. That's exactly. You notice it right before you go down the path. Exactly. And I think you have to do a works for you. Look, for some people
Starting point is 00:17:58 talking to other people, for other people, it's just sleeping the whole day. But just don't make yourself feel bad about what you need to do for a process. For me, I'm a very logical person. So when I have too many emotions, I don't know how to handle them because I need to attach them to things. And I've learned I can't always attach my emotions to what it is. But what's fault? But what's helped me when I was feeling suicidal, all those emotions, I went on Reddit because I kept Googling what happens after you freeze your eggs. And they were like, women will be fine. They go back to the work the next day. But I was in excruciating physical, not just metham pain. I was fine leading up to it. So everyone else that I talked to,
Starting point is 00:18:33 they were suffering needles didn't bother me i wasn't bloating nothing i even lost a pound or two but then after retrieving my eggs two three days i couldn't sit or walk i was now getting angry because i can't sit or walk because i'm in pain physical pain the doctor they didn't give me any painkillers and then i finally was like i told something's wrong something's wrong they're not listening to me you're going to be fine i wasn't fine thankfully i had painkillers on me that then they told me to take but then my mental stay wasn't like at this point i'm just all out and that's when i google when i read a chat read a chat, all these women talking about the hormones and their emotions. And I was like, okay, okay, okay, so it's in my head.
Starting point is 00:19:11 Yes. Everyone doesn't hate me. Everyone, people do care about me. Because that's the thing about your brain is so powerful. It's the most powerful muscle we have. Your brain will try to prove your thoughts to be true. So if I sit here and I say, everyone hates me, my brain will try to make that into facts, subconsciously.
Starting point is 00:19:32 And you can find facts in the environment to support it. This person didn't text me back. That person texted you. It's like our operating systems go on the fritz. Exactly. So I will either then start to go back in my memories and we create false memories of when people didn't love me or care about me or I could sit right here and you and I can have a completely different reality where you think we're having a very good conversation.
Starting point is 00:19:53 We're getting to know each other. I'm thinking the way she's nodding her head at me, she's being so condescending. And that can become my reality. And then if you tell me that's not the case, I'll say, well, you're gaslighting me. of course you would gaslight me because you think I'm stupid because no I'm projecting because I deep down think something one time my dad called me stupid now I'm projecting on you and I'm saying you think I'm stupid you don't think anything I think that and that's where it always goes back so you give yourself grace once you realize with the logical state okay this is just in my head
Starting point is 00:20:23 it's not real the next morning I woke up and you just started talking nicely to yourself you say I said you know it didn't work out with me me and that guy I explained to him what happened, he didn't want to try again, literally has lost. And I was like, I'm lovable. Everyone loves me. They do. And then I walk around and I feel loved. It's like positive affirmations and checking your stories. Yeah, that's it. But people don't realize they think it has to do with manifesting. Oh yeah, positive affirmation manifest. No, it's science. It's your brain. Your brain gets off wet, especially hormones. Hormones can get you. Think about PMS when I first started giving a period, but it was like I would automatically like three days before.
Starting point is 00:21:00 It takes, and it takes years and years because you actually think that thoughts you're having before your period are real that I'm a terrible person. Everything I believe to be true about me is wrong. Everyone, whatever your thing is your hates me. I'm not enough. I'm stupid. And then all of a sudden you get your period. You're like, oh, it's my period. But that happens for so many years.
Starting point is 00:21:17 Every year. Oh, shit. I got my period. Everything's fine. Every month. You think that we would learn. But I do that. I've convinced myself, like, everything's shit.
Starting point is 00:21:25 I'm like, oh, God, thank God. I wish there was some kind of PSA. We could tell, like, young women, like, you're going to feel this way. on the 25th day right before your period it's going to happen well when you're freezing your eggs there's even more hormones in your body so you're mimicking PMS times like a hundred so my heart goes out to you I'm sorry that sounds really freaking painful but now you've got some eggs right yes I froze 20 eggs okay good yeah one less thing to worry about yeah you did it girl stay tuned because after the break violet takes the sex IQ quiz and helps me answer a listener question
Starting point is 00:22:00 So I wrote this book, Smart Sex, how to boost your sex IQ and own your pleasure. I said to you copy last night. I'm very, very, very excited about this book because it's basically, as you know, all the years that I've been doing this work for, you know, working millions of people over the years. I realize that without a strong foundation of understanding these pillars of of sexual health, we're not going to have the sex life and pleasure we deserve.
Starting point is 00:22:34 Because I started writing the book, and you know I have a million tips. We've been talking for years. But I was like, what's the organizing principle about it? Like, what do we actually need to know? So I organized into these five principles that are going to help people feel smarter sexually or just feel like they can be on top of it. So I created this quiz and no one's taking the quiz yet. Oh my gosh.
Starting point is 00:22:51 I'm so excited. So you're going to be the first person to take the quiz and everyone can take the quiz. There's just like 15 questions. For each question, I want you to answer. strongly disagree, disagree, neither agree nor disagree or agree or strongly agree. I can even show it to you as we're going. These are your options, right? You're going to say either I strongly disagree.
Starting point is 00:23:11 Neither agree. Okay, ready? Strongly disagree. And just like, don't even overthink it. Like, just see what comes to you. Okay, ready? During sex, I'm able to be present and focus on enjoying my body sensations and notice what does or doesn't feel good.
Starting point is 00:23:24 Strongly agree. Nice. I masturbate regularly and have a good understanding of how to give myself an orgasm. Strongly agree. winning. She taught me. We talk. I enjoy and feel comfortable both giving and receiving oral sex. Disagree. I've experimented with incorporating sex toys into my sexual repertoire. Strongly agree. I've brought you more today. I know it turns beyond and how I want to feel during sex, whether it's being worshipped or in charge or even something like being
Starting point is 00:23:50 disrespected or degraded. Strongly agree. Great. Okay. Wow. Okay. I didn't, I wasn't expecting, I'm actually surprised with myself. I wasn't expecting to be so on top of it. Yeah, I feel like you are really, really aware. Your score is a 69, believe it or not. Hell yeah. I was 75. Now, I want to explain to somebody with these dealer players, you're never like, it's not like you're dumb sexually or you have a lot of work, not you, anyone taking the quiz. We all have these pillars that we need to work on in our lifetime. Like sometimes we'll feel stronger in others and sometimes we'll feel like one area. I feel really great in my body, but maybe I'm not communicating as well with a partner right now.
Starting point is 00:24:30 So I just want to want to want to want to want to want to know that this, it's important to take this quiz throughout your lifetime because it's going to help people right now. And I think the big, the big, most, the best thing about you and why I think everyone should buy this book. And we're going to talk about also my podcast for the sex IQ is the fact that forplay, you are so adamant about the fact that the foreplay starts outside the bedroom. And a lot of people don't realize that. And that's what you help to teach me. So if I would have taken this quiz, let's say when we met three years ago,
Starting point is 00:24:57 a lot of those would have been disagree, including loving my body and all of that, or be comfortable about what turns me on and those things. They would have been so focused on the male gaze because that's what we talked about. That's what we were our first conversation. With my ex-boyfriend. So now I came here with all saying strongly agree to all these questions because, you know, I have people like you in my life because I got to work on myself, because I'm masturbated and learn more by myself because now I know what I like, what I don't like,
Starting point is 00:25:25 and I don't feel shame around it. But even now, after working so much of myself, one of those questions, I still said, disagree. Yeah, that was the oral sex one, which we can go back to. But I want to tell you that I'm getting a little bit emotional because I know that. Well, no, in a good way, because we first met it four years ago. We were sitting there to your podcast and it started out. And you were like, you really hadn't done a lot of this work yet because most people don't about your body.
Starting point is 00:25:47 And I think you started out asking about how do I please the man. You watch, yes. She came on my podcast when it used to be called Too Hard to Be Crazy. and all my questions were about how to give the best head to a man, how to do this to make the man happy. And she goes, wait, what about our pleasure? And I'm like, oh, well, yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:26:04 And, you know, because you were in a culture when we focus so much on porn and the male pleasure, we don't even think of ourselves. You know, if I mean, if I come, then yeah, I come, whatever. It's, you know, best day ever, but it's not, it's not necessary. And that's so silly. But as he came, we were happy, but we didn't know about it. So I love your journey here by life. Yeah, like the first time I had anal, I wasn't ready for it, but my boyfriend wanted to do it.
Starting point is 00:26:28 Right. You know, now I would never do that. Now I'm into anal because I want to do it. Exactly. We don't just roll over and do the anal. We don't go from zero to anal if it's not our jam. Well, I can read you what these meant, what your score meant real quickly. You're in control of your sexuality and are deeply in tune with your body.
Starting point is 00:26:45 This helps you be more present in the moment during sex. You likely prioritize your own pleasure as well as your mental and physical health and feel comfortable expressing your needs and out of the bedroom. you're also attuned to your partner's wants and needs to evolve your sex IQ even more perhaps consider trying a new kink position or role play fantasy there's always more ways to explore um and forever listen if you want to take the sex IQ quiz go to sex with only dot com slash book the full quiz is 15 questions if you want to learn how to boost your sex IQ be sure to pre-order copy of smart sex comes out june 13th but if you pre-order now you'll get the quiz right away
Starting point is 00:27:18 you did awesome yay yeah violet if you want to get into oral sex we can talk about that but we also I want you to help me answer from a listener. Let's do the listener question first, then we'll get into the world sex. Okay, cool. This is from Mia. She's 45 in Tokyo. Hey, Dr. Emily, I've been in long-term relationships with women and have always been identified as lesbian or pansexual.
Starting point is 00:27:38 After a breakup with a long-term relationship with a woman during the pandemic, I took a break from relationships until I felt I was ready to date again this year. I started dating apps for lesbians or women only and inclusive to all genders. The most surprising thing was that I got attracted to a cisgender man who knew about my past relationships with women. It was a summer fling because I thought our values did not match, but what I really missed about him is the physical intimacy. We haven't been in contact for two months, and I'm not sure if I should just make the first move. He just moved to Tokyo, and I think he wants to explore more. How can I detach emotional attachment from physical intimacy?
Starting point is 00:28:11 So far since I started the dating app, he's the only one I've been interested in, even though I've seen a lot of red flags and do not see him as a partner. Should I make the first move just for physical intimacy. Thanks for reading this. I enjoy your podcasts. I feel like she's not hearing herself. Right. She's answering her own question. She keeps saying, I've seen all the red flags. He doesn't like me. It's focusing on other people. Should I reach out? I mean, I'm not into him. Should I reach out? I don't love him. Should I reach out? I think she's not being honest with herself. I think that's usually where it starts. We forget, sometimes we're not honest with ourselves. I mean, I've seen the refil. Just say it to yourself. I got attached. I
Starting point is 00:28:51 I liked how this person made me feel. I miss the feeling of how this person made me feel. Because then you'll understand, oh, wait, I don't miss the actual person because there's all these red flags and all these things that I like about him. So what do I miss? Oh, I miss maybe having a penis inside of me. Or I miss a male body on top of me. Or I miss the way he held me because it reminded me of being held by my father or whatever
Starting point is 00:29:14 things like that. You know what I mean? So I think then you say, okay, so now I can take those little things. and I can find that in a new partner. But why would you go back? I think this is where we forget when it comes to dating. In order to make it work with someone, the other person needs someone to make it work with you as well.
Starting point is 00:29:30 We always sit there and we're like, should I go back, should I not? They don't even want you. So really, what are you asking this question for? Work on yourself to figure out why you felt this attachment to this person because obviously there's certain things that he gave you that you really enjoyed, which is nothing wrong with that. Yeah, exactly.
Starting point is 00:29:48 I think that's all really, really good. points and it seems sort of fraught and she's not even sure about it. So I think you made a great point too that sometimes, you know, she says, shall you make the first move just for physical intimacy, find other people you can. There's a lot of people to be physically intimate with. We're not being honest with ourselves. Instead of just admitting that you still have feelings for this person, we feel shame around it. So we say, well, I mean, this person sucks and also this and this and this. And it's in a weird way minimizes our feelings for that person. The fact that you already obviously probably asked your friends who all told you no. And now you went to
Starting point is 00:30:21 extra step and you reached out to Emily with this question. You're hoping you'll get a different answer. That already tells me. Exactly. Come on. Sometimes your friends don't know though. That is true. And we're glad they reach out, but what I totally agree with you. We've been in contact for two months. I make the first move. She says, how can I detach emotional attachment from physical intimacy? And I think that's challenging. It's not so binary. You can't be like, I'm just going to be physical with this person and cut off lobotomize my emotional attachment. You can't do it. we as women are doing ourselves a disservice, and we just need to be more honest with ourselves.
Starting point is 00:30:52 And that doesn't mean that you still can't go around having casual sex. It does. It just means when you're honest with yourself, that you know what you're getting into. And then you can set your boundaries, whether or not you're comfortable with it. So true. It's not for everybody.
Starting point is 00:31:03 Some people have shameovers every time they have casual sex. And they're like, why you like ourselves. Oh, why I can't be like a man. You can fuck whoever you want or you shame your friends because they won't fuck anyone else. Well, sorry. Because for me, I will cry about it for a week. I don't want to do that because then I can focus on work.
Starting point is 00:31:17 Right. It's like self-awareness. I think we're talking a lot about self-awareness now, which is great. Just be honest with yourself. Exactly. Now, you've recently shared on an Instagram post about clinginess. I wanted to ask you about this. How do we embrace clinginess more in dating and relationships? Like, how do you define clinginess? Well, I think I think I share that because my friend Todd Barrett came on my podcast and he's amazing and I love him. I love Todd. He's a friend of mine too. And he's the one, yes, he loves you. And he's the one who said, be more clingy. And I actually really like that because I think when we get older and we're still dating we get so set in our ways that it's hard for us to open up and it's hard for us to add someone into our schedule and it's
Starting point is 00:32:01 hard for us to not bring all of our jadedness into it so I think we start to think because hey we all have different definitions of what being clingy is or what being needy is and all that And I think sometimes people want to know that you care about them. And I think sometimes we don't realize that we're not the only ones in our head in this relationship. The other person is as well. So if I'm avoiding doing my best to not be clingy, which means I'm not being myself because maybe I am a clingy person.
Starting point is 00:32:29 And then A, I'm not being true to myself. But B, maybe the other person actually like that. And then that other person thinks I don't like them. So then they take a step back. Like I actually listen to Todd's advice. And now I usually say nothing. I don't like to, I don't really used to not tell a partner if I like them or not or I wouldn't reach out at all.
Starting point is 00:32:49 And now I'm like, you know what? Why not be more flirty? Make them feel want to make them feel like. Exactly. It's a whole cool girl thing. Like I'm going to be cool. I'm not going to be vulnerable. I can show them.
Starting point is 00:32:57 But why not let someone know right away that you're into them? As long as you just don't attach needing something in return. Because people could only hurt you if you need something from them. And that means in any type of way in life. So, for example, if I'm dating someone and I need validation back, then don't do it. But if you're doing it for them to feel good and now you feel good, that's all you need it, then do it. Like yesterday, I texted one of the guys I'm talking to.
Starting point is 00:33:22 And I'm like, hey, cutie, hope you have a beautiful day. Like, I wasn't thinking, well, he should text me first. I texted him because I knew that's part of Kwonko, oh, look at me being clean. No. And he tried texting with me the whole day after that. Does that mean? Now I'm like, well, is his turn to text me? today and things like, no, I felt good about myself that I sent that. In my brain, I thought,
Starting point is 00:33:43 wow, it's just going to be more obsessed with me. Yeah. And you just honored where you were at and you went with it. You didn't overthink it. Yes. You let someone know how you feel. This other guy I texted him a picture of us and I was like, look at us, how good do we look. You know, I just kept it super chill. It's only when you need something from people's when you start to get your feelings or whether you need love from someone. You need them to help you with your job promotion. You need them validation. Need them to pick you up. That's when your anger. Because anger and rage, it comes from what you think someone owed you that they didn't give you. And also, you've shared with someone what you want.
Starting point is 00:34:17 You gave them an opportunity to respond or not. But rather than withholding, they don't respond in the way you want or they don't return the thing, return it. Then you know. Then you've more information. Like, then you're like, I like this person. I'm letting them know that. They didn't respond in a way that made me feel good. They don't know it to me.
Starting point is 00:34:33 But now I have more information. Maybe they don't feel the same way. But that's okay, too. What I'm saying is being clingy, I think also shows that. you are testing this relationship. Think of how many months you could go in a relationship of thinking, I'm not going to say anything. I'm going to wait to know if they like me or not.
Starting point is 00:34:45 But right away, you can find out. Yeah. Are we aligned? Because you waste a lot of freaking time playing games. You get to find out. The opposite of not being clingy is just playing games and playing it cool. Exactly. And look, you will always be clingy or needy or too much for the wrong person.
Starting point is 00:34:59 But with the right person, your energy. I remember one time. You sound like Todd's always like, be that person. I remember one time my friend was dating this guy and he was trying to make her feel better and it still kills me to this day his advice and he goes i mean look i mean you are too clingy wait wait let me finish you are too clingy but you're too clingy for me but i'm sure you're not actually a clingy person and i was like holy fuck that's worse because he just said you're too clingy for me but that doesn't mean that you're a clingy person so i don't understand these
Starting point is 00:35:27 shameful words we're like oh i must be too clingy i'm too needy that person is just not into you you're always going to be what you'll be just clingy enough for you're going to be always going to be too clingy for someone that actually doesn't want to date you exactly i just think that all these signs like how great to know that you're not aligned with somebody how wonderful to know that sooner than later I think this deep fear that we are not loved well you said that's your big fear of not being lovable I think that's was well no I think it's always I think I have that I have a fear of not being lovable not being enough being yeah I think it's a common human condition that we deep deep down we're afraid that we are not going to be lovable I think that is human
Starting point is 00:36:03 suffering I do and I think that the reason why we've all these games of dating and we want it we my brother was because ultimately that we are so afraid of rejected and that could go back to the womb like, you know, my mother didn't care for me or is going to leave me or abandon me. It's like abandon it. I believe we all have variations of that fear. Or you want to win. Or the problem is you're like, well, it's a playing games now with this weird dating culture where people are lonelier now more than ever.
Starting point is 00:36:29 So that also, A, tells you how much the dating culture is not working out. People are long. The research shows that people are having less sex than they ever have. Ever before, what do you think about that? Not just, it's not just you. Yeah, it's not just me. It's not just you violent. The stats is based on you having less sex.
Starting point is 00:36:44 Everyone's having less sex. Why do you think that is? What's your notion on that? People are not connecting. It's because like you. We could have done this on Zoom, but we didn't. It's not just that. It's like you said, people,
Starting point is 00:36:55 four place starts outside of the bedroom. This is like such an emphasis. And I think a lot of people don't realize that they think it's just sex. No, it's communication. It's loving yourself. And, you know, your sex IQ, all of that. and your smart sex. That's right, baby.
Starting point is 00:37:10 It starts outside the bedroom, the conversations, what you're comfortable with, all of that. Yeah, I don't know. Dating culture, it's not working out. I think people need to start learning and to connect again. And all these games of like, well, I'm winning because I'm playing. Are you really winning? Because in the end, you're losing because you lost the other person or you made the other person feel like shit. When you keep playing games, you actually never end up than opening yourself up to love and to intimacy
Starting point is 00:37:36 into learning more about yourself and the other person. And, you know, you're really, you're losing. You're not winning anything when you're the one that end up being, you know, the other person likes you more cool. At least they still can love. At least they're still working themselves enough. And at least they know, like, I'm so proud of myself when it doesn't work out with someone. I'm like, you know what?
Starting point is 00:37:56 At least I tried. Like, I'm proud of myself that no matter how much everything I've gone through, I can still give love to people because, you know, sometimes people need love more. then they show it and that's why i never regret giving anyone love because maybe they needed it more than i did that exactly and love is not a finite resource we have enough love it's full scarcity mentality that you can't just love like let people know how you feel they can't handle you're too much your feelings are too much for them like not your person can't emphasize that enough i think i want to encourage people right now to take that risk that that person knows and that text right now if there's
Starting point is 00:38:28 someone you've been like thinking about but you're like holding back like why i think we're going to right now do yeah and i've done that even with one of the last guys that it didn't work out with, I tried. And I know, like, they always come back. I always say that. And I know he's going to come back and he's going to regret it. But I won't regret anything because I tried and I put myself out there thinking about you, blah, blah. And, you know, he didn't take the bait. Did that that make me feel bad about myself? Literally, no, it didn't. Because I was proud of myself for putting myself out there and trying versus in the past I would just do nothing. And look, I already found someone else. Others. Else's. You've got else's. So what would be your
Starting point is 00:39:05 top tips right now for people who are starting to go on this journey like right now dating we're having less sex what are your three tips for more connection right now more authentic dating three tips well a i think it's i would say it's very important to be comfortable with your body and that's something that you taught me and before you you want anyone else to help you come maybe figure out how to make yourself come like i even try different positions with myself when i'm masturbating to see what helps me orgasm more and i have i imagine things in my brain i fantasize And it's, that's also how I know if I like someone, if I masturbate thinking about them. Oh, right.
Starting point is 00:39:39 Great tip. So I think get comfortable with your body because when I'm in the bedroom, regardless what weight I'm on, because I have PCOS, I'm always gaining or losing weight. Even if I'm in my heaviest, when I'm about to get naked, I get naked in front of the mirror. Well, the guy's watching me. And I get turned on by myself. And then the guy gets turned on by me. He doesn't give a shit about where you have a stretch mark or if your left labia is more
Starting point is 00:40:04 out than your right lady like he doesn't he's so excited to be there so staying in your power your true confident yeah as a woman so i think a really get to know yourself before you start dating because if something knocks you down super easily it's because it was already deep down in there they needed to get healed so and then number two when it comes to dating give people a chance i think we write people off too fast now because of it seems like there's so much more options even though they're not, you know, whether you're swiping right or left or you're DMing someone on Instagram, someone like your picture. Give people a chance. Don't write them off quickly because you may be writing them off because you're just scared of being vulnerable. And number three, be vulnerable. Put yourself
Starting point is 00:40:47 out there. You are meant to get rejected until you find your person. That's part of life. Like, I don't understand the whole fear. What if I get rejected? Okay, what if? So what? Then at least you tried. Right. And you get stronger and it's a muscle. And after a while, you're like, fine. That's how you pick yourself back up. Keep falling down, keep getting back up. I don't care. I'd rather look back and know that I've tried with certain people than look back and be like, oh, what if? Because it's usually the what if that gets us and hold us back
Starting point is 00:41:14 because we create this whole fantasy about a person of what if could have happened. If it was supposed to happen, it would have happened. Move on. I love it. Those are great tips. Very inspiring. I love watching your journey, Violet Benson. This is amazing.
Starting point is 00:41:27 Well, thank you so much for being here. Well, I ask you the five questions. I know I ask these to every one of our guests. okay um you probably answer these in the past but it change all the time so ready okay quickie questions what's your biggest turn on big hands biggest turn off when they're not obsessed with me what makes good sex good sex makes when the two partners are really open and you're not in your heads you're just like fucking then having oral then fucking again oral taking breaks fucking like a whole day marathon something you would tell your younger self about sex and relationships that sex
Starting point is 00:42:03 does then equal love. What's the number one thing you wish everyone knew about sex? That four place starts outside of the bedroom. I love it. Viola Benson, thanks for being here. Where can people find you? What are all the things?
Starting point is 00:42:13 People can find my meme account at Daddy Issues underscore if you're into memes, dating relationships, or you can find my podcast almost adulting on every Tuesday and Thursday from solo episodes to fun guests. It's the best and it's available on all platforms, Spotify, Apple, and YouTube. And you can find me, Viola Benson, on Instagram.
Starting point is 00:42:32 Thanks for me. Thank you. Bye. That's it for today's episode. Thank you so much for listening to Sex with Emily. And if you love the show, please like, subscribe, and leave a review wherever you get your podcast.
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