Sex With Emily - How to be The Cowboy of Her Dreams

Episode Date: May 9, 2014

On today’s show Emily sits down with Garren James, the founder of Cowboys4Angels.com, the male escort service for straight women. The service has become so successful that Showtime’s hit series Gigolo is based on his business.Why would women pay for a date with a hot, hunky, educated man? The service is for straight, successful, busy women who are looking for the “boyfriend experience” on their time and their terms. Garren explains that it’s not about sex, it’s about companionship with a man who knows exactly how to treat a woman right.But what do these men have to offer that other men can’t seem to provide?The escorts know how to treat a woman right by providing companionship, excitement, and most of all making her feel beautiful and desired. The escorts must have swagger, education, good looks, and preternatural charm. Garren divulges tips for all men who want to become the object of every woman’s fantasy. They discuss what Garren looks for in his employees, right down to the grooming tips and etiquette. As the conversation grows, Garren comes up with an interesting proposition for Emily. Check out the show to find out more! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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But we do, actually, I've been told that we do send very interesting emails to you, not a lot, but just stuff for some more tips that you might want and tricks and so check that out. So, today, tonight, I'm really excited about my guest because this guest really, really intrigues me. I get so many requests every single day. My inbox is flooded, literally. I have my assistant now, I can't handle it because every day, public inbox is flooded. Literally, I have my assistant now. I'm like, I can't handle it because everyday

publicist's authors, everyone is pitching me to get people on my show, right? Because I'm talking about sex and relationships. And I'm just like, you know, a lot of times just kind of blowing, you know, they don't interest me. And I know they won't interest you. So I'm like, no, they're not great, they're not great. I'd rather go out and find the interesting people

to be on my show. But when this one came through, I was like all over it. I said, I've got to get this guy on my show. So my guest is Garin James. He's the founder of CowboyForAngels.com. CowboyForAngels. Cowboy number four. It's a male escort service for women. And so you might be wondering, like, why does this interest me? Because I've actually been asked on a number of occasions where people are like, it was just recently. Someone said, like, why are they're escorted and she's for women? Like, why wouldn't a woman want that?

And I thought, you know, I don't know. I mean, there probably isn't. And I thought, well, women wouldn't want to pay. I mean, we want the realness. We want a man to love us and cherish us and make us feel beautiful. And then if we pay for it, there'll be all these diminishing returns.

It won't really feel real. But then I get this email from Garren and I hear all about his service. It is for straight, busy women who can hire a straight, beautiful man, models, in fact, and they can have the whole boyfriend experience. And I looked more into their site. They have a really popular show. You might have seen it's called Jiggle-O's on Showtime. It's like in its fifth or sixth season, right? Garen? Fifth. And I thought, oh my god, this is a real deal and and I thought oh my god like you know this is a real deal and I thought thinking though um you know the website it's not about sex

it's about companionship it's not treating women special and I'm also wondering like what if women fall in love and what happens and but the but the really interesting thing is that if you look through the site it's like these guys it's not every guy can go out and become an ex-ex-ex-ex-court. These guys know about treating a woman the right way. They have that natural, you know, thing that a lot of you people and people are looking for to get the woman or man of your dreams. And so I want to find out from Garen, what do these know? They must know what women really want because women are shilling out a lot of money to have

a great date with these guys. So I think I want to learn what have they all learned about being with women, because that's their job. Their job is to be the perfect first date, like a weekend date. And you know, you all want to know what that is, too. And the site actually says, and first, I also want to know what have these men learned about women, and what is he learned about women from this, because you must learn a ton. And so, in their site, it's so interesting, because it says, we offer exclusive male

companionship for healthy distraction with no strings attached. And I'm thinking, well, what's a healthy distraction? So it's really no strings attached, so it's just like a night out. It's not sex. It's just like, I want a night out with, I know it's going to be a good date, because I've kissed a lot of frogs, and they're all awful, you know, and I just want someone good. And it says whether it's an elegant dinner date with a man of your dreams or if you just want to skate for a while and be pampered, I'm thinking this sounds pretty good.

I'm a busy woman. I want to be pampered. I want a foot massage. So, you know, I'm just interested in this all around because it is a phenomenon and there's, you know, the show is really popular. And so, Gary and James, welcome to my show and thank you for coming on. It's so good to see you. Thank you so much. That was such a long introduction.

Was it? I really felt it from my heart. I just was thinking about this where you came in. I'm like, I gotta explain why. Like, I haven't anyone like you. I have a video of you on the website when people click on and there's you saying all those nice things. Oh, okay, we can work out some fine arrangement.

If you give me a free weekend with one of your S-quarts, then we can talk about a trade or something. Okay, so that's the topic tonight. We're gonna be talking about that. Also, it's masturbation month. So, may is masturbation month. Oh my God. Yeah, you didn't know that.

I mean, I'm sure you're thinking, Mollison every month, masturbation month. But masturbation month, but masturbation month, this is the month that you should all be working on your own sex life. And the way your sex life is gonna prove, number one, no matter what I've told you, is when you figure out your own body,

it what makes you feel good. And there are so many origin and soons on your body that believe me, you have not even found yet. So even if you're in a relationship, you're dating someone, it doesn't matter. You still leave time for masturbation. So happy masturbation month. And, Erin, okay. So let's talk. How did you welcome? You're you live in San Francisco? I live in Fort Lauderdale in Vegas. Okay, the Florida Vegas. Okay, God, I don't know why, because some sun in San Francisco came up. Okay,

God, so so college for angels, largest streetWort agency, tell me about how you got started in this industry. We gotta get that out of the way first. Well, I wanted to first thank you for having me on, by the way. Oh, my pleasure. You're very beautiful. Thank you.

You're listeners know how pretty you are? Um, I don't know. I don't think so. Thank you. It's a voice. I think you're like my voice, yeah. Thank you. That's very sweet of you.

Thank you for having me on the show. Yeah. Are you one of the assorts? Because this is good. This would feel really good if we go on a date right now. I'd be like, yes, yeah. Thank you. That's very sweet of you. Thank you for having me on the show. Yeah. Are you one of the assorts? Because this is good. This would feel really good if we go on a date right now. I'd be like, yes, I want to hear him beautiful. Yes. Yes.

No, I don't. I know. You're the owner, but you're doing well. Yeah. I'm pretty much in booking now. So one of the rules with the men is that you can't be on your phone. So I constantly am on the phone. Right.

And I'm married. And I'm married. Oh, you're married. Yeah, okay, got it. So my wife would tell me she's come. Yeah, right. Oh, she would she's Columbia. Yeah, she'd have you killed or she would kill yourself. Yeah, it's not my lose a few parts. Right. Now, we don't want that to happen at all. I'm sure. So yeah, well, thank you. Well, thank you for saying that. That's very nice. And I'm glad you came made the trip to be on the show So Cowboys for Angels was started about five years ago and

I had a girlfriend that owned a Agency women for men a very large agency in New York and and while I was with her I was helping her run the agency so I learned the business and then I started to do some research about men for women. And I noticed that in Europe, there was, there was a few websites for men for women only. And then when I looked in the United States, there was, there was men that were for men that also saw women. So I kind of had the impression that a woman would not want to hire a man that she knew is just with a man the night before. So it was kind of like a myth here that there was a male escort for women because why would a woman hire a

man that was also seeing men. So I started a website and said it was exclusively for women. And we've gotten so many calls from men and I tell them thank you so much. We're honored, but there's other agencies out there for you. So the men that I hire are not bisexual or. Okay, so they're all straight men. Yeah. And their models are educated. Yeah. And I was watching interview because I've done my research and I said that, you know, these guys, you can't teach it. Either they got, I mean, there's probably, there's rules, but they kind of have that swag,

or they already know how to treat a woman, they know how to make a woman feel special, which obviously a lot of men fail at in this world. I mean, so can you tell when a guy walks? Like, do they come in for like audition interviews? And they, well, the first thing I generally look at is a photo. I mean, it's plain and simple. He's got to look like when he walks into a room,

heads have to turn because that's what makes a client feel great when she's walking into a room. Right. But, you know, that's when it gets difficult because I've gotten so many photos of great looking guys and then I call them for an interview and they tell me how great looking they are. Tell me, oh my God, you know,

the other day I was walking down the street and somebody asked to buy my sperm because they wanna have my children. Right. I'm like, okay. Right. And so. So then there you go.

They're like, you're not gonna be right for one because you're gonna tell it by yourself the whole time're like, you're not gonna be right for one because you're gonna talk about yourself the whole time. Yeah, you're gonna be horrible. You're gonna want, you're used to like a woman worshiping you. So this isn't gonna work out for you because we're here to worship the client. So that's a big thing right away. It's just checking that ego with a guy.

And if he's just a genuinely nice guy who happens to be really good looking, is great, who's college educated and who can make somebody smile or be very personable right away. And that's one of the biggest things as well is that ability to sit down with somebody and open up right away and make them feel comfortable. So that's what these traits are. So these guys, what would you say is a common trait then that I said I read somewhere that they all have to be like over six feet tall. Which I appreciate that.

I, I, I, sorry guys, I do tend to date over six feet tall, even though only five, two. College educated, model types and true gentleman. So is there any training and kind of judging you have to do with them when they come in? I mean, what do they? Well, I give them the list of rules of what to do, what not to do. What are the rules? Give me some of the rules. Because these rules I think can help a lot of listeners too.

Want to go or wondering why didn't she call me after that date? Because let me just tell you, I went on a date recently with this guy. And he the whole night, he drove me and we drove somewhere, I was like, we're driving a half hour, and he didn't ask a one question about myself, about me. He didn't ask, it was all about, we were talking about like his car, it was stupid, like I didn't even care

and I'm thinking, maybe he's nervous, guys, get nervous, you know, but it was even on the way back, nothing. And I just thought there's such a basic thing that men, so many guys just miss it. I know he likes me, and he's been into me, like I know he really does, but he he didn't know and he's a good guy so

so those are the kind of things that these guys just know or do you have to also kind of train them and say you know you gotta make sure it's about her well usually what I explain to the the new gentlemen that I hire is that um... there's something going on right now in in america and and the thing is that There's something going on right now in America. And the thing is that there was an article out recently in Time Magazine not too long ago about women and men in society. And that women in their 20s who are college educated and have no children are now making more money per hour than men.

And so finally, yeah, so you have a problem here. Here's the problem. Now, boys are growing up to where they're the man. You're the man. Right, but the provider. You're the provider. You say what's going on, you got the bank role, you make the rules in the house. You know, you're the man.

And so now there's a problem because the man isn't the man anymore. And so women who are making more money than men, they're going out on dates and a guy is like, I'm the man, and she's like, oh, you're not the man. And so you have a problem with the way women are being treated because now they feel like, hey, I need to be treated. You know, I get to make the decisions now. And so I think that's one of the biggest things where our need comes in is that we're that that gentleman, you know, we're going back to the day that you're supposed to be, you know, a real gentleman and just do those tiny little things that guys they don't do because they think they're the man. Right.

You know, and just pushing in chairs and... So women still, so let me just be understanding. So women still, they're not, they're not letting men be the men, but they still want the man to treat, make them feel feminine. Definitely. And make them feel like a woman in the ways that they can, like pushing in the chairs, not about their bank account, but it's about their, you know, yeah, treating, like doing things like that, opening the door, asking questions, it's making them feel special.

Yeah, it's like very, it's so simple, but so many men don't do it. It's just in greeting the person and then having a conversation and being with that person and not being you know looking in different directions looking to see who's there or or being on your phone that's that's like rule number two. Oh my God right don't be on your phone ever on a day. I just go to the bathroom and pretend and then I check my email but I never do it before another guy. That's one of the biggest things. Right. Actually that I that I have gotten complaints about was he looked at his phone.

Right. Well, that's a good one. Did you get reviews after? Oh, yeah. I always get a review. Oh, my God. So, tell me about the typical woman that signs up for your server. That it hires an escort from you. That's, I wish there was a typical. There isn't.

That's so strange. We have women in their 20s to 30s to 40s to 50s. Some women are in a rough spot. Some women are going through a divorce. Some women have had a traumatic experience. And some women are just traveling to New York and in there for business and want to have fun for the night. Okay. Don't want to go sit at a bar and hopefully something happens. That's fun. They were something that's guaranteed fun and a pre-screen guide. And so does the guy plan the date? Does the escrow plan the date or is the woman plan the date? No, because it's funny because I want a client

to call and say, you know, well, what do we do on the date? What does he want to do? And I say listen like it's about you. You're paying normally if a if a guy's gonna Bring you out. He's saying I'm paying. I get to pick the restaurant. This is what we're gonna do This we're gonna go after and this is your opportunity to do whatever you want and it's there to accompany you Okay, so you have like the control you the control. So the one makes it so okay so a lot of you are going to assume and I know that you've said this on the site and stuff but it's not about sex. They're not having sex because I think you're a scored I think you're I hear sex I hear you have a goodness dinner and then you go home and have sex perhaps. Well the the laws are pretty clear like an escort agency if you sell, if you contract for sexual

services, then you're breaking a law. So our agency doesn't contract for any sexual services. Okay, so if someone says I'm about want to get laid tonight, you're like, call someone else. But if it happens, you don't know about it. You can't do anything about it. Like you can't, if she doesn't tell you, he doesn't tell you, the sex could just say the sex happens. Let me ask you a question. What? Yeah.

We're gonna divert the question here. What? Do you like pizza? Sure. Yeah. I like pizza. Do you like sausage on your pizza? I actually don't like sausage.

No, pizza mushrooms. Just like sausage. Yeah. I like sausage. You love sausage, yeah? Okay. So. I love sausage. Yeah, okay, so I Love sausage. Okay, so I love those big chunks of sausage that are girthy on my pizza. Yeah, all right So you're home you're alone and you order a pizza and you order a large sausage pizza, right? Mm-hmm. Okay

So the delivery boy gets there And you open the door and you're like oh my god Sounds like a poor and I saw one so okay, yeah This delivery boy delivering this large sausage pizza is hot and you invite him in and You guys sit and you're talking and you have fun and one thing leads to another and all of a sudden you and him are Having sex right are you needing we eating the pizza too? No, we need the pizza. Okay, I thought we eat the pizza first and then we're sex. I'm kidding. Okay, so we're having sex, right? The pizza's cold. Right. Yeah. And he leaves. Now, you contracted him to deliver

a pizza. That was what the contract was for. You paid him to deliver this pizza with sausage with large sausage pizza. Right. So did you break a law? No, you didn't break any laws. So so you know people are contracted for many different things and they have, they end up having sex. So like, now if the pizza boy showed up and he was delivering the pizza, and you said to him, you're pretty high, you know, can I purchase some sex from you?

And he was like, yeah, then you just broke a law. So, got it. But what if I give him a really big tip after we had sex? You know, tipping, you know, if you said to him, I'm going to give you a big tip if you have sex with me. Right, that'd be wrong.

That's wrong. But if you left and I put a, you know, $100 really fucking slapped ass, is it? That's sexy. That's hot. That's hot. Okay, so I got it so we're not gonna talk about but but some but sex could happen but you don't know anything about it and

and we don't that's not what it is if it's consensual between two two people and and they're looking at each other and things get romantic then things get romantic but just like with you know your pizza guy I mean you just looked at him and he was hot and it was hot and you guys had some romance. Right, right. I got it. It's a guy cold. But I was ordering, these women are ordering dates with alcohol or they're going out to dinners, right?

OK, so this is a thing. So a woman, so these are women that are all ages, you said. And they just want to have a night. Now, how much does it cost for a night? It depends on the gentleman. and it depends on how long a lot of women like to schedule for four hours overnight. So some of the rates are for four hour thousand to some of the guys that are more notorious. So to speak that are on the jiggle show or oh right oh the jiggle show right on showtime so everyone

can check it out it's in his fifth season., okay, and show time to hit show congratulations on it and you're on it. Yes, okay, right good for you Yeah, that's amazing. So you're on it is like more of the you're the boss Yes, I am I serve as the creative consultant for the show So I I help them finding the women for the show and the men for the show and Give them some of the sort of story line stuff. I know how it all goes down. But to do they-

And make appearances. Yeah, okay. So the women, okay, so first let's go back to the actual service. Then we can talk about the show, which is different, I think, than the service. But these women, so I'm thinking about, you know, women who, is it kind of women who just can't find dates otherwise or they're just, they're lonely or they just want to, maybe they want to impress someone at a charity event that it's everything, right?

Okay, so the guy shows us, so tell me what are some of the things that you've learned in this business that all, if you can make some universal things that like women want from these guys that these guys provide that they're not getting from all these other dates that they're finding on match or wherever tender, what is it that these guys provide that they're not getting from all these other dates that they're finding on match or wherever tender. What is it these guys do that's different? I mean, the other good looking, but you know, after someone opens their mouth, they'll eat that. But these guys are smart.

They're college educated. What else do they do with these women? Can you explain the experience? I really think that they make them feel beautiful. And that's, I think, a woman really wants to feel that. I mean, one of the you made me feel that right away. You're so good. I'm going to give you a really big tip. I get a review. Yeah. Good review. Good review. So they want to feel beautiful. That's true. Yeah. And and just get that attention, that attention that it's so funny when when clients call and

their booking appointment and I'm like, Hey, Ashhes, Asher Maun, he's really good guys. Hey, Asher Maun's 10 minutes away. They're like, oh my God, I'm so nervous. Right. And I'm like, no, you're, this is not a blind date. Right. You don't have to be on your best behavior. Right. Exactly. You can do whatever you want. Have fun. Like you should not be nervous. Like, you, you, it doesn't matter tomorrow because he's kind of a celebrity now. So then maybe that's other nervous, right? Yeah, just, well, even if it's not a celebrity,

people will be nervous. They still get nervous, I'm sure. You're gonna get nervous, and I'm like, listen, you're paying to like, not be nervous. Right. Right, exactly. You're paying, like, that's the one thing you're paying for. And you're in charge, right?

Yeah, you're in charge. You're there to have fun. You don't have to be on your best behavior. Just be whoever you want for the night because because he's not going to, you're not worried if he's going to call you tomorrow. Right. But then don't women get it to see, but here's the thing. Women get attached. So isn't there a case where women, which is good for your business, if they keep hiring the same guy over and over again, is there like a limit to that? Like you can't, or is it like, well, hey, Eddie

Price, you pay enough money, you can have my own month, you can have my year. Here's the situation with that. When women use the service. And I get attached, I shouldn't say that. When women use the service, they know what they're getting into right from the beginning.

So it's like we're being honest right from the beginning. We're not con artists, we're not, even though the word jiggle. Oh is like yeah, the word jiggle. Oh, I didn't Never we didn't mean the show. I get it but we're not there to to con them and and bring them along for the ride You know one of my policies is that once your appointments over I'll do a quick follow-up and say did you have fun and then I will never contact you again. They're going to be like, hey, you're not like CLZ, right? No, we don't.

If you ever want to use our service again, great. If not, no problem. You know, hopefully you had fun for that night. So we, we, they know what they're getting into from the beginning. So I think that they are obviously smart and intelligent enough to know that this is something that they're doing for fun. Right. And falling in love with that.

We can't help it. We get a tattoo. This guy, we just paid the perfect prince charming to walk in the room and treat me exactly how I want to be treated. And he's hot. And we may or may may not have sex if I paid for the overnight or he might just watch HBO. I don't know, but I'm feeling attached.

My serotonin is going crazy. I'm getting attached. And so I just think that that could be hard for some women, maybe, that they, you know, and I'm wondering has there ever been a case where someone fell in love? Like, actually there was like a connection. Well, because you was like a connection. Well, because you can't stop that. Yeah, no, no, I had a one of the clients and one of the guys they were,

they saw each other regularly. And he called me one day and said, Hey, I'm going to start seeing her outside and she was in and I was like, listen, you have my blessing. You know, obviously if you guys are have a connection go for it You didn't try to take like 20% of anything You can't right, but I would think it'd be in their contracts that they're allowed to but then how can you stop love? Yeah, so there can't be laws against falling in love exactly and they were dating and It ended up to where she didn't like what he was doing for work. Oh, yeah, right didn't work out That's like a lot of many day porn stars are slippers and they're like I love you

You know, but this reminds me of like a lot of women like a lot I hear a lot of guys say this They're like I went to Chicago. Oh, she was so into me all night long. I could tell she really liked me No, she really no, I mean, no really she really liked me. I'm like, dude, how much money do you spend there? I know. No, she really liked, she gave me her number. Yeah. I'm like, okay, okay. So that's what strippers do. Whatever, they pretend that they, you know, they make the best with their job is to make you feel like desirable and sexy and hot and they send your lap and you get a bone on the whole thing. So I could see that a lot of women kind of fall for it. They can know why. I know I paid them, but like, I remember feeling that way. This just flashed my head, which is kind of messed up.

I'm impregnating babysitters when I was like seven or eight being like, I know my mom pays you, but you'd really be here with me tonight wouldn't you if you didn't? Because we're having so much fun. I never thinking that. Like, even if she didn't get paid, she'd still want to hang out with me because I'm a fun kid.

But she'd probably be on Saturday with her friends. She would say, so there's that thing that you can kind of be delusional in a way. And I could think that that would happen with a lot of women's emotions, and that could get tricky, but hopefully, but it seems like your service is very successful and that we met a lot of women are just having a good night.

Yeah. Most of the women that do use the service are very successful. They don't have time to date anyway, and we're not looking for that. So that's, we fill that gap in the month. Do we, did I say that, fill the gap? Yeah.

Fill the gap? I don't know why is that bad. Fill the time in the month. What do you mean? Why is that bad? Just sounded dirty. We fill up our gap. I know.

Everything sounds dirty on the show. No matter what. I'm like, get me a coffee. Like, you say, cock. I'm like, no, I said, get me a coffee. Like, I swear to God, that happens all the time. Um, so what, what do you think that these men know about women and treating women that, that other guys don't, don't know? Really? Like, did I already ask that? I kind of already asked the beauty, but like, but like, I really am convinced,

like, I want to explain like, they make her feel beautiful. You know, they don't have a lot of money because guys are usually get a lot of money. I'm this and that. But, but what is it about that? Besides, take the looks out of it. Because then there's guys listening going, oh, but I'm not six feet tall. And I'm not whatever. It's not even about that. No, it's crazy. I have, I had a friend who was five foot six. And he was, he was like, his little bit older and had so many women falling all over him And he just was he had that thing about him. So I know it's not about the height

I know it's not about the love you know to have that thing. It's confidence We always talk about that. Yes. It's confidence and it's it's humor and that that personable thing that you have to have you have to you have to like honestly be interested in other people and not be so centered. Right. Because that's that's one of the biggest things that is a problem is self-centeredness. Right. People truly aren't interested in other people. They don't have questions. They don't care. They just worried about themselves. Right. And so you have to find people that are into other people right and so you know the it sounds so simple but it's so hard I mean I've had over 7,000 employment or oh my god I'm sure and I represent 40 to 50 people at a time

only 40 to 50 okay and how many of those are working a week? We're very busy. Yeah, that's amazing. And what's in your what city do you want? Las Vegas? Los Angeles Florida, New York, Atlanta, Chicago. Okay, so yeah And they will fly for yeah, and guys will travel for work if Somebody lives in Minnesota, we can fly them out there. That's not a problem. The client just generally pays for the airfare,

and we're not here to fly first class. It's whatever the flight costs. Good to know. You could use miles. Yeah, if you wanna use miles. You wanna use miles, these are miles. Do those miles and wasting away. You might as well get a jiggle of

and to go into Michigan anymore, I'm from. So I was reading something you wrote about that it's important that a jiggle of makes his date feel safe and relaxed. So I was reading to the road about that, that it's important that a jiggle-o makes his date feel safe and relaxed. So I'm wondering how do they do that? Like what are some tips to help just like an average guy? How do they make their dates feel comfortable? Because I think when a woman does feel safe and relaxed,

she can really be herself and she can be so, that I mean, what kind of gestures is it touching? Is it, yes, that's one of the big things is just having a little bit of contact with somebody One of the first things when you meet somebody is to like give her a little hug Give her a kiss on the cheek just like you tell that right and I wrote you train them some of this that right They can have to kiss her out give her kiss on the cheek I'll just give a little contact and and when you're sitting across the table from someone like let's do this now Oh, okay, that's old hands's do this now. Oh okay.

That's hold hands. Oh no, my wife. We're not taping this. No go ahead. We can do it. Okay, I'm done. We're practicing. We're practicing.

So right now we're you know just. Now we're double-hanging like I put my hand down and then he put his hand on mine. And he's really cute. P.S. You got to check out the video. We're doing a little video of the show by the way. So just little things like this. And just really being eye contact and in focus with the person

and not checking out the car. Don't check out the hot check. No, that would be no. I would think that would be like a review that you'd get from a woman to be like, he was checking out the girl next to him. So do they go through like a training process once you hire them?

If they have like the general skills? Yeah, the interview process is generally first it starts with the employment request on the website a phone call, Skype interview and then I fly out to meet him like I'm actually here in Los Angeles interviewing three guys. Okay. And then I gently test him out. I was just gonna ask.

Oh my God, seriously, I was just think I was kidding, but not. More of a tester. Do you have testers? I could use a good tester. I think you'd be a good tester. Yes, I would be so good. I'm fun, I'm good, I'm a good day. I totally want to be a tester. One, tonight, I do love lines tonight.

Seriously, do you really have women? Because I would think that you'd have to in a way. You wouldn't want to send them out and have them be like a cycle. Yeah, I do have, well, we do background checks. Right, oh you do, yeah you'd have to in a way you wouldn't want to send them out and have them be like a cycle You know, yeah, I do have well, we do background checks. Oh, you do yeah, you have to but I have several clients that are I guess you could say regular clients who have given me permission to contact them if I have somebody Didn't knew and they'll they'll generally go out With the gentleman for a few hours and just give me some feedback from a woman's perspective Yeah, really the guys tonight that I'm hiring?

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So anyway, I'll give you a sample. Not that you need it, but one. Well, I'd rather go 40 minutes. Oh, right. Instead of 25. Right. Well, that's good. The ego 25. Well, sometimes we get tired. There's are the guys that go to hours and like, really? No, but, so anyway, that's it. So, let's go back to my date tonight. So, these guys are cute. They're in LA. They're hot. Yeah. Oh, the new guys, the new guys, the new guys, the new guys, we're going to go out and do LA. They're hot. Yeah, or the new guys.

Yeah, the guys want to go on and do it. Oh, yeah. Oh my God. You want to see photos? Yeah. I gotta pull them up. Okay, no, you don't say it. Okay, so these guys you test them out. You have you I was I was kidding that you have testers, but you actually do have testers.

Of course, you got to test them out, right? I would do that. I wouldn't even. What if I slept with them though? Would you want to know? I want to know if you slept with them. I could tell you they're getting better now. No, I won't sleep with them. I wouldn't sleep with them on the first day.

I don't know if I'd get upset about that. Oh, you'd be jealous. I'd be a little jealous. Oh, that's so sweet. Okay, well, I just won't tell you. Okay, so. You just got to say, he's amazing or not? Right, because I actually have date

I got to be honest one of my skills and I've few skills But I'm good at them and I've made it. I'm good at I'm a really good data And I think I'm really good at sex and having sex and teaching about sex that's that's What else am I gonna that those are two things I'm pretty good at and so yeah I'd be a good tester for you because I can tell you I know a good day in a bad day like right off the bat You know, yeah exactly right so So can can can these jiggle those at work you they can date in their off time right? Of course, and do you think a lot of them keep it from their girlfriends because their girlfriend so want to know no

The girlfriends have to be down with it. Yeah, just like guys who date supers or you know squarts I'm I'm very I just I work with people that are just honest Just like guys who date supers or you know, sports. I'm very, I just, I work with people that are just honest people. And so like if somebody's working for the agency and they're dating someone and or they are not dating anyone and then they call me and say, I've been dating this girl, what should I tell her? What I do? And I say, yeah, of course, be honest with this person. If you, if it works where she doesn't want

you to do it, then you're welcome to leave the agency or stay, but please be honest. Okay. I'm just, I'm big on that. Got it. Honestly. So I've had guys leave the agency, dates start dating someone, and then they break up, and then he comes back. It's good money. I mean, why not? Right? I mean, I can imagine that these guys are like, I'm good looking. I'm trying to, you know, it's good, it's good money. And in night, what did you say it was? It's like anywhere from region. Yeah, in their pocket, 800, 200, 600 or so. And, you know, the great thing about this job

is that a lot of my guys are pursuing other things in life. They're going to school or they're pursuing another job or their models or their actors and the worst thing I mean, I was a model for so many years and the worst thing is is like you book this big job a big campaign You're and then you're paid 90 days later, right? It's the worst job It is right or you get booked for it and they cancel it and they So you gotta call back Yeah, I just the modeling to and my no, but I've done some that.

And I've also done, you know, television shows I didn't get because all of the rejection, it's hard. So this is like steady. Yeah, it gives them an opportunity to follow a dream. Right. Okay, I got it. So what kind of request do you get from women? Do they ever copy?

They're like, okay, I want a guy who uses some that or I want him to come with, you know, I saw a clip something about like the one woman wanted a guy to dress up like a woman. Oh, yeah Well, that was it we played okay, we played it wasn't real. So but as the river any request like I want Ah, I need him to do ABC. Yeah, I mean yes Because women have fans this is all about fantasy in a many ways right well I thought you met more the longs the lines of like I'm going to a wedding and oh yes Yes. Because women are fan, this is all about fantasy in all many ways, right? So, and. I thought you meant more along the lines of like, I'm going to a wedding and.

Oh, yes. There's a script on where they met, how they met, how long they've known each other. Oh, yeah, we do that. Oh, I'm sure there's a lot of women who's like, oh, high school reunions. Yeah, I've done those. Right.

And so, I usually, I was like, I say to them, give me a script and so I can send to him. And so he knows when he shows up, who he is, how long you've dated, what your nickname is, that kind of stuff. So when you're walking around with your friends, it's not, wait, didn't she say that they met? Right, right.

Somewhere, now he just said. So it was like awkward silence. Yeah, right. So yeah, we do a lot of that role playing in that situation. We've done things, I have a really cute story. There was a girl, she was in Los Angeles and she liked a guy at her work and he never paid her any attention.

And so she hired one of my guys to go to three parties. It took three parties. Oh my god, okay. So, hired a guy, three different guys, to come to a party, a work function, it was like at a restaurant or a bar or something like that. And she would, we knew we had a photo of him, and I sent the photo of him to the guy and so he showed up and he was there kind of

Mowing around and then when she went close to this guy who she really liked He would walk up to her and start talking to her and like oh my god, Bob. Can I buy you a drink? Wow So conniving and plodding of what I love it. Okay, it worked. Yeah, she ended up She took our three office parties of three different hot men that this guy was like, oh, yeah What does that say about men? I don't know And we love that stuff. I love that story too. I mean, I love that she was so right

But she sent me an email that that he asked her out and they went out so I Haven't I didn't ask for an update or anything. But I love that story. Well, that's a good, I mean, I guess you got to do what you got to do to get the guy. That's an extreme measure though, but it worked. It was right. Yeah, but it's interesting. It is true.

Like, we say a guy with a wedding ring, you know, with his, you know, who's wearing wedding ring is like, is the fire truck principal? So it is what? This is social psych stuff. Well, what does it mean? Like that, that if a woman sees a man with, he seems more desirable. is the fire truck principal. So what it is? What? This is social psych stuff. Well, what does it mean? That if a woman sees a man with a, he seems more desirable.

Well, yeah, just like a woman who's a desire by a hot man, she's more desirable. She's already been validated. Yeah. Well, that study is about we want what we can't have. And so any that made her look like she couldn't have her because she's with so many other hot tall models.

He's like, what? Wow. And then he's finally noticed her. That is that's very interesting. So what do you think that what have you learned about women's? I know we're talking about what these guys are in about women or what would you say that like you say there was no typical client, female client that's hiring, but I'm just wondering, like, have you ever women who have like regrets after or who feel, I don't know,

like I just feel like paying for it, you would just feel like it's not, even though you had a great time, you might be kind of sad the next day, let down, like kind of like, like a lot of women after they have their one night stands, I'm not saying this is what they're doing, but a lot of them can't handle it, or men because they sad the next day let down. Like kind of like, like a lot of women after the other one night stands, I'm not saying this is what they're doing, but a lot of them can't handle it or men

because they the next day they just feel like, wow, it was great, but you don't hear from where they didn't call or you feel like your ego's let down and I could see this in some way, some women, like maybe a backfire is on them. I don't know, maybe those, I follow up with clients and just a very simple text message that said that says, did you have fun with Bradley Lords?

Right. I mean, who couldn't have fun with Bradley Lords? I'm going to have fun with them. You should have them on the show. He's. Oh, I would love to have them on the show. Anyone. Is he here?

Anyone who's here would be fun. Yeah, he's in Vegas. He can come over. No, I'm sure. And I go to Vegas all the time. We do interview there. Um, but I just say, did you have fun? And, and I, I guess maybe if they just weren't happy, they just don't say it. I mean, I've never, it's, no one's ever said, you know, I feel bad. I feel bad. Right. That's good. You never had to refund. Never had a bad. Okay. Now,

how much acting though goes into being a jiggle Because if they if they're it they show up in their mind make a beautiful What if she's just not beautiful? Like what if she's not they're not attracted to her like it So that isn't a little bit of way acting or do these guys like you know, no, it's it I mean you're acting on a normal date. Right. We want people to like you. Right. I'm not gonna say that there You know, I I tell them to be honest. I mean, you're not gonna walk up to a woman who's overweight and say, oh my God, you look so skinny in that dress.

You find something about them that's very attractive and you focus on that. And that's what we do is finding that thing to make them feel special. I have a client and she sent me an email and this is about Bradley. It's so funny. She said, I don't ever feel attractive. I feel like this is what the email said. I'll never forget it. She was like, I feel like the ugliest person in the world sometimes. And he made me feel beautiful.

And like, I can't not love that about what we do. I mean, we're here to get paid. We're taking money, but our job is to make people happy. And so that's a very fulfilling and strong job. Women, do you want, I'm telling you, I mean, it was kind of a running joke on my show and I used to do it from San Francisco, my co-host, minus I joke and I'd say, I'd say men need to compliment their partner 10 times a day.

Like 10 times a day just be like, you're beautiful, you're hot. And I know that's extreme. I mean, like that 10 times a day, you kidding me. And I'm like, I'm trying to drive a pointer that actually I probably wouldn't mind if it was even 10 times a day, but so many women in relationships never their partner never makes them feel beautiful. I know that my mom divorced one of the reasons why she

divorced my dad. There were other ones, but she said he never made me feel beautiful. He never once told me in the, you know, however long 13 years they were married. He never told me it was beautiful. He's nicknamed me his mouth. My mom's a really beautiful woman. And she's like, he never complimented me. He never said, you look great. He didn't notice that I got, you know? And I think even, not that men don't want to feel beautiful,

men want other things, but I do think that there is something very, and it's not that women are all like narcissists and that's all we care about. But, you know, we're feminine and we try. We make efforts and we want guys to notice. And so, if you're, and menace you to say back to me, no, because then she knows that she's got your app down in your finger and you don't want to give women those confidence.

I'm like, you are so wrong. Like, I can't tell you like what an effort DG act it is for a woman if you can truly just like, you know, not just like, hey babe, you're hot, but like you're really like, wow, your eyes. It's just so beautiful. Like I'm into you and I, I, I noticed things about your girlfriend or your partner. Like, wow, you got a hair color you. And I, I, I, I noticed things about

your girlfriend or your partner, like, wow, you got a hair color. Like how your hair looks today or that's a great outfit. Your ass looks amazing in those music. I don't care how you say it, but I'm telling you that there is no woman on the planet that you're with that does not want to hear that you, she looks good and you appreciate something about her. You know, and I like to be told that I'm funny and smart too. Don't get me wrong. But um, we all want to. That doesn't happen often does it? No, it doesn't. Like, but do you think I'm funny? The reason you're happy like I'm like, but do you think I'm funny? You don't realize how funny I'm to you because I'm really funny. I'm not funny with you, but I'm funny.

I've had those conversations with guys. No, but it's true. And if a guy doesn't make me, because I'm also a friend who are like dating people are like, yeah, he just talks to himself. He's never once to I'm like, like, I couldn't live. I couldn't go out with a guy who didn't make me feel that way for five minutes. So, and I think that there's a lot of women who want that, but they don't know how to get it or they just sort of think, well, he's great in all these other areas. And if I don't get that from him, but I think it's, it's, it's own superficial, but it's, I think it's a really important part

about a woman feeling safe and comfortable and cherished and loved in the, just like biology, like things that women want right. And men in a way, what do you say is equivalent for a man to feel like a man? It's not like I, you want to tell that you're hot all the time, but you want, what is the equivalent? You think that women, like what do you think they feel safe? Men want to feel safe? No, that a woman wants to feel safe with you.

Right. They men want to feel safe. No, that a woman wants to feel safe with you. Right. But what do you want from a woman you think that women don't typically get, or understand about men? Is there anything like that that is equivalent? I'm just curious. Like, I think men want sex.

They're more simple. But maybe they want their need to take, or they want to feel like a man too. Like, there are guys who are like, I want to make more, I want to pay for the bill or I want to you know I'll tell a lot of guys are like you know let's split it and then I'm like We'll split the bill and then I'm splitting right I mean not cuz I just think you should never split either have her pay you baby Don't split okay, you've also talked about these men that there's certain grooming rituals and I'm always in

I'm always I'm landscaping I can talk about it for days. So do you give them like rituals like you have to trim you have to shave you have to do anything like that. That's funny. No. Well yeah. Or in your own life. What do you think? Okay. That's true. I had a guy do a photo shoot. And he sent the photos over and he had on his previous photos no hair in his chest and it was this big bush and I was like what's up with the chest hair going on and he was like I'm trying something different and I'm like no you can take new photos it doesn't look right

right okay got it so there is some stuff but what about you forget your jiggleos but what about your escorts what about like do you think that most men do trim and chave and they should right I think so. Right. You should. And they got to keep fresh and dry down there and all that. I actually have a little product for you that, um, yeah, I'll give to you. I have a product called Down Under Comfort.

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It's a secret. I don't like to tell everybody really smells really to like fresh and like clean and vet of your vet of your smells really good I like it oh my god no I can't understand it it's good I like it so so jiggleose in this fifth season amazing for you for business I'm sure and for life that's like why do you think people are so crazy about the show? Because it's dirty. So the show is dirtier because people are having sex on the show. So the women are like having right. And we can't say that that's television, but it's... There's a lot of sex on the show.

So that's what it is. And do you think it's a lot of women's fantasy to just have a got? I think that there are grubby women going to oh, this actually sounds pretty good because you don't often see that. You always hear like, you know, men are having stupors and you pay them to leave and you pay them for whatever. It's kind of the thick, thick women are like, I can have a really hot night with a guy. I'm going to, because a lot of this could, you know, you, you, you, you, it's true that

these men have to have a genuine respect for women. So I'm assuming they're feminists in a way that it could be a feminist move to say, I'm going to pay for this and then I'm going to pay him to leave. So no string is touched. And I got what I wanted. Yeah, well, it's a very empowering situation for somebody. And I got, I've gotten that that it's like, I'm in the power, I'm in control. And I'm making the decisions tonight. So yeah, you could get that out of it as well. Right. I understand that. So, um, so the show, lots of sex was a new season coming out. When does it come out?

Uh, season five just aired. It's, I think it's still available on demand on showtime. Uh, season six, we don't know yet. Okay. I know. I know all about that stuff. It's crazy. So are there any, um, okay, because we, we only have a few more minutes, but is there anything else that they can find you at Cowboys for number four angels? Number four, angels, Cowboys for angels dot com. Okay, and you've pictures of all the guys too. Oh yeah. And they can pick who they can browse. But they can browse. Are they all on there? Yeah, all the guys are listed. Some of the guys we have

VIP, which means it's for women that want to do some very social stuff and bring them out and about and so their photos are not on the website so nobody would ever know it's a secret. Right because I would think that you'd be like oh this is my husband if you bring me to your eyes or your hands and I was like I just saw him on a jiggle of dating site. What the hell? We have to find guys for that. So yeah most of the photos of the men are on the website and they're listed

by city. And so I usually like a woman to I'm a matchmaker. I was just gonna, that was one of my questions that is really like, I've been doing this for five years. Yeah, so you are a matchmaker. So the woman calls you, she's like, I don't know what I want. Do you do, so you do an intake with your clients? So how does that work? So the woman calls and she's like, I don't know what I want. Do you do an intake with your clients? So how does that work? So the woman calls and she's like, this is what, so tell me a good example. So she'd call up and she'd say, what? She would call up and I'd say,

have what city are you gonna be at? How long did you wanna see some floor? What exactly are you guys doing? And then I'll say, well, did you look at the guys on the website? Who did you like? And just by talking with them, I know all my guys personal. Right, you know, their personality is important

because just because they're good looking and they're gentlemen, and they know that you do it, and it doesn't mean that their personalities are gonna match. So that was my next question, that you kind of are, have to match them with the right guy. Yeah, some of the guys are more business like, and some of the guys are more fun, and Zanie, and Crazy,

some of the guys are adventurous, and so, I'd just get that from the person, like if she's really giggly on the phone, then I wanna put her with someone who's like funny guy. I mean, I have guys that do stand up comedy and stuff. So it's so funny when a woman will call and I'll be talking to her for a while and she'll be like, I wanna see Joey.

And I'm like, oh, Joey, cause I'd rather her be happy. I mean, she's obsessed with how Joey looks right and I'm like listen I know you like Joey, but what about Billy? He's kind of similar looking as Joey and I think he's a better match for you Just by talking to you on the phone. So but sometimes they'll say no, I have to see Joey and then they'll meet and you know She'll end up calling to see Billy right right because right, right. Because I'm pretty, I've been doing this for five years. Right, so you know, yeah, it's a skill.

It's a complete skill being a matchmaker. Like you have to know, you know, right, you have to really be perceptive and really understand and get it like, get it right away. Right away. So, and so when, I know that you like again, you said there are typical calls, but I mean, do you find that there's a lot of women out there

that are also just frustrated. They're like, listen, I'm at the end of my row. I've had like 10 bad dates. It's mom. No one's great. And I just want to go date. All the time. That's kind of a common scenario. Match dot call. I get this. I was trying match dot com and the matches were horrible. I just want to go out tonight, go out on a date and have fun and not care and, and, and, and, and, and, and it's a filling for them because they ate a lot of mara really busy they have disposable income they can pay a guy I mean it's I mean I could see a lot of people is being like

you know it is just to have sex but I could see a lot of them just like sometimes I'm just like I just want to like go to a movie with someone who's nice and never get dinner not have a bed dinner where I'm like yeah check please can we leave and then you're seeing through a bad date this way you know and if someone and so if someone is I'm sure you're not but but people seem to be pretty happy on your dates And all that's okay. Yeah, okay. You're very successful. You are very successful. Congratulations on all your success Crazy when I first my ex girlfriend when I first started this agency she was like What do you think you're doing? You're just wasting your time.

And then the day that we aired on the Tyra Bank show, we were the number one Googled search site in the nation. Wow. In that day. And that's crazy. Because of all the combinations of, we weren't, well, because of the way that we searched. So if you added it all up, we were number one for the day.

And then it just grew bigger and bigger and bigger and more woman found it more acceptable. And is it a shameful thing? Like do you feel like women are like, they don't tell their friends about it? Because I don't know if I'd want to be like, yeah, I paid for this dog eye last night to go take a look at me to a party.

I think a lot of them do tell their friends because their friends end up calling to me. Oh, that's good. So, okay, I'm glad I see this because I can read this. Don't be afraid to tell their friends because their friends end up calling. Oh, that's good. So, okay, I'm glad I see this because I can read this. Don't be afraid to tell your friend because. I'm not and I'm going to test this guy out. Yeah.

Oh, yeah. Definitely. But I mean, I get it. I get it. I like the spin on it that women are busy and they can pay for what they want. Guys do it all the time and it's say, you know, it's safe. You've got them. And if there's demand for it, you know, it's safe you've had them. And if there's a demand

for it, you know, good for you for creating that you feel the need. Yeah. And even better, even better is when I get a call from somebody who says they're handicapped or they don't, you know, they have a certain, I had a woman who called who had severe burns on her body, a woman who was an equestrian writer and she fell off her horse and damaged her retina and she was blind and hadn't gone out on a date again. I mean, we get all these other things

of these women that really need our surface. A lot of women are usually service to have fun, but I get so many calls from women that really need us. I've had a traumatic experience, have gone through a horrible divorce or going through a divorce so they can't start a new relationship. Right. They don't even want the emotional attachment. They don't want to start a new relationship.

They just want to go away for a weekend with someone and have fun to blow off some steam. That's what I have. That's all I ever really want. Yeah. But that's my own commitment issue. No, but really, there's a lot of times like busy. I'm like, I just want to go out. I don't want to have it up the whole weekend.

Can we just go to dinner? I get it. Okay, well, thank you so much, Karen, for being on the show. Everyone can find you, so Cowboys for Angels is the solving. I say, too, we're gonna do a little video now, so everyone can check out what you look like and all that and then anything else, Twitter. Yes, we're on Twitter.

Cowboys for Angels, right? Yeah, Cowboys with the number four angels. Okay, great. We're on Twitter and, well, that good stuff. Well, thank you so much for being on the show. I really appreciate it. It was great having you. I had fun. I know this is fun, right? I'm fun. You're fun too. Thank you. Thanks for being on Sex with Emily. So thanks everyone for listening to the show. Be sure to check me out on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram. I've been getting so many questions lately actually on my Facebook page and we've been answering them. So that's another way to reach out to me. So like my Sex with Emily page and Twitter. I'm following you on Twitter.

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