Sex With Emily - The 4 Secrets to Amazing Oral Sex (From a Sex Educator)

Episode Date: September 16, 2025

EVERYONE who signs up wins a FREE WhisperVibe™ OR a FREE Rose toy with any Whisper™ order! https://www.bboutique.co/vibe/emilymorse-podcast Join the SmartSX Membership : https://sexwithemily.c...om/smartsx Access exclusive sex coaching, live expert sessions, community building, and tools to enhance your pleasure and relationships with Dr. Emily Morse. List & Other Sex With Emily Guides: https://sexwithemily.com/guides/ Explore pleasure, deepen connections, and enhance intimacy using these Sex With Emily downloadable guides. SHOP WITH EMILY!: https://bit.ly/3rNSNcZ (free shipping on orders over $99) Want more? Visit the Sex With Emily Website: https://sexwithemily.com/ In this Sex with Emily episode, Dr. Jennifer Freed reveals why true sexiness comes from daring to be authentically yourself—not trying to imitate anyone else—and how confidence means being good with yourself without waiting for approval. Then sex educator Shani Hart shares her game-changing tip for staying aroused during oral sex (hint: it involves a Magic Wand), her mission to bring quality pleasure products to underserved communities, and why she tells customers that if their partner controls their toy purchases, it's a major red flag. Dr. Freed and Emily explore the difference between sexiness and preferences, discussing how we can find attraction beyond our usual type when we recognize someone's soul. Through Shani's journey from pop-up girlfriend to certified sex educator, Emily and Shani tackle the lack of diversity in the sex toy industry and why quality pleasure products should be accessible to all communities. Shani breaks down her four essential blowjob tips—enthusiasm, wetness, communication, and technique—explaining why "it's called a job for a reason" and sharing her favorite products for enhancing pleasure. They also dive into CBD's benefits for sexual wellness, from reducing anxiety and increasing blood flow to helping rewire the brain's association between sex and pain for people with conditions like endometriosis. Shani discusses her favorite current toy (the Womanizer Duo with smart silent technology) and why she believes your own pleasure should be a priority. Timestamps: 0:28 - Intro 1:48 - Authenticity vs Performance in Relationships 3:26 - Overcoming Impostor Syndrome in Dating 5:41 - Why Hiding Your True Self Kills Intimacy 10:26 - Sexual Preferences vs What Makes Someone Sexy 13:42 - Being Present During Sex Creates New Experiences 17:22 - From Sex Shop Employee to Certified Sex Educator 20:26 - Creating Quality Sex Education in Underserved Communities 24:43 - When Partners Control Your Pleasure (Red Flags) 27:48 - Magic Wand Multi-Use Tips for Solo and Partner Play 29:33 - Four Essential Oral Sex Techniques That Actually Work 31:45 - Racism and Exclusion in the Sex Toy Industry 36:02 - CBD for Better Sex: Anxiety, Pain Relief, and Enhanced Pleasure 38:48 - Quick Fire Questions: Biggest Turn-Ons and Turnoffs

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Starting point is 00:01:24 and liberate the conversation around sex. Today, I'm talking with Shawnee Hart from Hart's desires about her mission to elevate sex lives. As the owner of an erotic boutique in Washington, D.C., Shani brings a unique perspective to sex education. We're exploring how she transformed her husband's sex toy store into a posh boutique where people can get real education about pleasure products and why she believes quality toys and honest sex education should be accessible to everyone, regardless of neighborhood or income level. We'll also hear from Dr. Jenfried about what makes people irresistibly. sexy. My intention is to show you that sexiness isn't about conforming to anyone else's standards.
Starting point is 00:02:03 It's about embracing your authentic self, knowing what brings you pleasure and having the confidence to prioritize your own sexual well-being. All right, let's get into it. Happy September, everyone. Here we are. It is September. I can't believe it either. And I can't think of a better person to welcome in the last day of summer, Dr. Jennifer Freed. She joined us here every month to set us off, Dr. Jennifer Fried. on Instagram, Twitter at Dr. Jenfried. She's awesome. We're also going to talk about what is sexy?
Starting point is 00:02:34 What does sexy actually mean? Yeah, sexiness for me is when people dare to be who they are and not try to imitate anyone else. You know, we're all made so perfectly, uniquely, and I think there's a lot of pressure to conform and somehow wear or talk or walk like somebody else. And actually the people I find the sexiest, like you, Emily, there is no carbon copy. There's nobody even remotely walking the planet talking like you are.
Starting point is 00:03:04 It's really, I think it's about that. It's like, how can we just light up our own beautiful being and then shine that out? And not everybody will be into us, but enough people will be. But what is sexy? What is sexy to you? you know, I think it is somebody who stands out, right? There's somebody who's uniquely themselves, confidence. And I guess confidence is an interesting concept too.
Starting point is 00:03:32 It's not... Yeah, confidence is a buzzword. We don't really know what it means, but it's a certain vibe we get from somebody that they're good with them. Like, you know, they're not waiting for your approval. And I think that's very appealing because so many people are yearning.
Starting point is 00:03:47 Do you see me? Do you like me? And that's a little bit of a... turn off for most people. But when people strut into a room and whatever shape, size, color, whatever they are, they're just going, I'm good with me. You're like, I'm in a piece of that, right? Exactly. Yeah, that's why I always say when everyone's calling in or how do I be sexy or how do I do this thing in the bedroom. And when you say like confidence is the sexiest thing, it's like truly authentically showing up as who you are wherever you go, whether it's in the bedroom or
Starting point is 00:04:18 in the boardroom and that is a process i wish i think going back to even my 20s i remember being so confused by feeling like i had to pick a lane i remember feeling like i had to decide who am i going to be am i going to be the person that goes to these concerts on the weekends and does these things or am i really into my job i was like it really felt like it mattered like putting a pin into who i was and then you realize now it's like i don't have to choose i just embrace them all And I was having a conversation with someone who worked with me recently in our 20s, and she was like, I don't know what to reveal. And I remember that struggle. And I think some of us never let go.
Starting point is 00:04:56 We keep assuming we have to be one way, right? Well, I think we have all been inundated with the imposter syndrome, which is faking ourselves into some pretzel of conformity because there's a idea unconsciously that there's the right way to be and there's the right sex. sexiness and it's all a lie, but we especially younger think, well, if I can only hit that mark, I'll get love. And what I really found out in my path, and Emily, for sure with you, is being loved is absolutely be yourself or you won't ever trust that somebody really loves you. You'll think they've just bought a fake package. That's not reassuring. Mm, Jen, that loops back to the imposter syndrome that the reason why I think a lot of us engage in toxic behaviors or fear of intimacy or commitment issues, there's so many ways to call it here to slice the toxic behavioral trait. But it's typically because if we don't feel that we are authentically ourselves, we wonder, how am I lovable?
Starting point is 00:06:03 You don't really know who I am. You don't really see me because I'm not showing you who I am, so therefore I can't love because once you see my darkness and all these secrets, I'm hiding from me, you're going to leave me. And that's why we all walk around hiding ourselves. Once you start to shine light on those things and embrace the things in you that you think cannot be seen, the things that make you ugly or wrong or, you know, that lovable
Starting point is 00:06:25 are actually things that make you lovable when you own them. Right? You're only as sick as your secrets. It's just, I think this is something you grapple with, you know, a lot, but eventually you peel back the layers, right? Right. And I think one thing you're saying that is really important is if who I am isn't, really attractive to you for one reason or another, let's move on quickly because there's billions of people and I actually don't want to try to be something for you. I'm not so that maybe
Starting point is 00:06:53 you'll love me. What kind of arrangement is that? So yes, not everyone's going to be into us the way we are. God knows I'm an acquired taste. You know, it's a big issue here. But some people adore me and some people don't. And I don't have to be looking at who isn't interested. I just have to to look for who is and resonate with them. Because there's enough people, if we're honest. We're all here looking for love, all of us. Jen, that is such a good point. And this is exactly what I tell.
Starting point is 00:07:23 People when they call in and they're, we're always trying to make adjustments for our partners or do things that we think are going to make us attractive. But like, if someone doesn't want you for who you are, the kinks that you're into or the sex you want to have, it's like, I believe that's not an area to compromise. or if someone shames you for wanting something sexually or making you feel like you're not even sexy or desirable,
Starting point is 00:07:46 then on to the next. Well, a great psychologist says many people prefer a safe object than people that are good for them, meaning some people just get so attached to people, they'll take whatever they get instead of letting go and having nothing. So it's part of the human brain that would go towards security sometimes, even if it's not a good relationship for us. It takes a lot of support
Starting point is 00:08:13 and people like you, Emily, that are available to talk to and friends to say to somebody, you are really worth more than this. I know it's scary to let go of the known crap, but there really is a whole bigger world out there. Yeah, this is a good point. It's like we're afraid of being alone,
Starting point is 00:08:35 so we stay in something that's unhealthy because we think it's going to be horrible. So it's like we feel like we're choosing, like we have a certainty that we're always going to be alone. So we stay in something that is just not right for us. What it, what your opinion on something, Emily. Yeah. A good friend of mine has just madly fallen in love with somebody at a distance. And I know both of them.
Starting point is 00:08:55 The guy's fabulous. She's fabulous. But they have never met, but they talk hours on the phone every night. Like they're really, really into this. And they're going to me. And I saw her yesterday. and she had just had some Botox and fillers. Anyway, I like to say all this stuff because this is the stuff, right?
Starting point is 00:09:13 Yeah. And so I said, so are you going to tell them about that? You know, I said, are you going to tell them about that? She goes, no. But she had just said they're open about everything. And I went, number one, I can tell you just got Botox and fillers. So I don't know who you're kidding. But number two, I find it so interesting what things we think we can say
Starting point is 00:09:31 and can't say to keep the love, right? Oh, God. And all of you out there that are doing it. enhancements or penis strengtheners or whatever everyone's into, it's like we're all just wanting to look our best and some people don't want to do that. Yeah, it's okay. And if she's with a guy who's like, you got Botox, I don't want to be with you, then don't waste your time on the phone with them three hours a night. But I love the idea that they're so open about everything, but I'm not going to tell you that. So they've been talking for months, you said. I keep hearing
Starting point is 00:10:03 about these relationships and FaceTiming, so they see each other. Yeah, yeah. But they haven't actually touched each other or smelled each other yet. No. And I said to her, and this is, you know, you and I are so different. I never think, oh, I'm madly in love with somebody I've never touched. But I said to her, I'm very concerned about the chemistry. Like what about the kissing, the touching, the smelling?
Starting point is 00:10:25 Like, she goes, I have no concerns. And I went, wow, pretty confident that this talking, I'm going to find out in a few weeks. I'll let you know. Is it as big as they think? it is because they're like, this is the greatest love of ever. I think this is happening a lot right now, especially during these times that we're in that people are doing long distance and they're, they don't know yet. I can't wait for the great reveal. We're going to take a quick break and then you can hang out. We can come back.
Starting point is 00:10:50 Yeah. We're going to talk about like, what is sexy. I want to talk about you and what's keeping you from love. Don't go anywhere. There's more sex with Emily coming right up. I'm here with Dr. Jennifer Freed. We're talking about what is sexy. But I think so many of us think we don't ever get to decide what is that we think, oh, well, this dress would be sexy or walking this way is sexy. But really it's something that's authentic to us, I think, is what makes us sexy. But what do we find as sexy?
Starting point is 00:11:26 Like you and I might not find the same things sexy. For example. For sure, I was going to say there's a difference between sexiness and my preference. Because my preferences are like, oh, I prefer men that are tall. Oh, I prefer men that are not too buff. Like I don't actually like it when they're all built up and all bolting muscles. That's a preference. I find someone who's passionate about something.
Starting point is 00:11:55 Like they have an Uber passion. I mean, hopefully they're passionate about their life's work. And someone I can learn from, someone who inspires me, that is very sexy to me. someone who just gets excited about something, right? They're not just sort of phoning it in. The truth is, we could find anyone sexy by just a moment of recognizing their soul. Like, there they are. They are so freaking sexy.
Starting point is 00:12:20 And I think preferences are the way we guide ourselves to people, but I've been blown away by, wow, I never thought I'd be attracted to that person. And there they are. It's amazing. In my case, I can be attracted to men and women, and even trees in nature. I mean, I can find myself just to get so excited about life itself, right? Yes, I absolutely feel the same way.
Starting point is 00:12:44 And I think that's why now a lot of young people are identifying as, you know, pansexual or I'm open to many things because I think that we've so many restrictions about what society will allow us to be what we find attractive, who are attracted to. But to realize, what if there is no limitations? Like, what if it could be any gender, anything, and you get to decide? I think that sexuality of what we find sexy could be looked at in the same way
Starting point is 00:13:07 if we could just remove all of our restraints of what society thinks are sexy. Yes, and I want to say as an Aquarius, as an Aquarius, if this speaks to any of you listeners out there with Aquarius in your chart, my fondest desire is to get way past all these identities and genders and everything. So the only criteria for hooking up with somebody
Starting point is 00:13:28 is, are they good for you? Are you good for them? Do they bring out the best in you are you actually going to come away from that relationship ignited to be the best you could possibly be and feel? That's what I wish were the only reason people got together. How do we get people to that place? Yeah. Well, it's the starter is getting through all of these inhibitions, all of these taboos, all of these identities that we think we are. We think we're these fixed nouns, I'm a this, I'm a that. But hey, maybe not. Maybe today I'm a woman. Maybe
Starting point is 00:14:06 tomorrow I'm a spirit. I mean, who the heck really knows what we're really all about here? There's no real consensus on fixed identities. Jen, it's so well said. It really is. I mean, that's part of it. It's like, when I say be confident, I don't mean confident, like let's say sexually, that you learned all these skills. It's truly walking. moving in your body in a way that, like, you know what feels good to you? Confidence means go with trust. And so it's this inner trust. And I think what's really appealing in the bedroom is that you don't rehearse your moves, that you're not like phoning in something you've seen on porn or something somebody showed you one day. If you're fresh to the
Starting point is 00:14:52 moment and it's like, oh, I think I like kind of lingus like this, but maybe today it's like that. It's like not getting a set mind about I'm only this, forever this. That's when we shut down because really sexuality is about living a bigger and bigger experience of life. Yeah, exactly. Jim. What a great way to put it that if you are present with every sexual experience and you say, you know what, whatever I've learned to the past, whatever performance or moves or things I've learned. And this goes for everyone listening, your next sexual experience. Try to be as present as you are and as mindful you are of the person that you're with, even if you've been with this person for 20 years,
Starting point is 00:15:33 and if you truly focus on that moment and what needs to happen and your connection with that person and what you actually feel, what you both feel together, you realize that every time you're having sex or with a new lover, there's always a new opportunity to create something together without any of like, what did we do last time? What do we do now if you're truly locked into each other? That's the flow.
Starting point is 00:15:55 That's beautiful sex. You just reminded me that if you're really present, you are always happy to new lover, because if you aren't rehearsing, that person that showed up with you this time is not the same one you had last time, nor are you the same. I mean, let's face it,
Starting point is 00:16:13 if you track yourself daily moment to moment, there's really not the same person there on a moment. I'm not the same person. It is a funny idea. Literally, you guys would not have recognized me an hour ago. But, you know, it's funny, John, too, because through my work, people are like, oh, what have you learned? And have you become better sexually in 15 years?
Starting point is 00:16:33 And I have to say that I used to think like I had a lot of bad sex that wasn't satisfying, that wasn't. And I realized a lot of that was me that I wasn't showing up as truly myself. And so I think that every time I do have said, I can pretty much turn a negative experience into a good sexual experience. If I'm with a partner that's willing to be present, I think I can pretty much create a new experience. experience every time if that makes sense like dancing well jenn free thank you so much for being here
Starting point is 00:17:02 i so appreciate you and everything that you have to say and calling in with art for our listeners and helping us and your astro sex forecast and your friendship and you are just a beautiful wise friend and spirit dr jennifer free that people can find you on facebook dot com just look for me jennifer free dot com i like to hear from your listeners and follow me on instagram but you know mostly i want to say again, I think that your show, Emily, is part of busting those doors open and turning the lights on. And I think that if there were just a thousand million more people listening to you every day, we could all get over it more quickly. So that's why I show up. Thank you, Jen. Thank you for showing up for us. All right. I'll take a quick break. There'll be more sex with Emily. Thanks to everyone
Starting point is 00:17:47 for supporting our sponsors. You know, we'll only work with sponsors that we enjoy ourselves. And I hope you do too. I'm excited to welcome my guest, Shawnee Hart. She's a sex educator, a speaker. She's owner of Heart's Desires, which is an erotic boutique in Washington, D.C. You can also find heartsdesires.com and go shopping there. I'm so excited to welcome you to the show. Thank you. I'm excited to be here.
Starting point is 00:18:23 It's so funny saying all the Zoom things, everybody. doing, I'm excited to be here, but I'm like in my office. Right, exactly. I'm in my, my home. But we get to be together and I've heard so many wonderful things about you. Tell you about your experience. Like, what got you to actually start the store and your sex education? Like, what brought you into this industry? Because people always ask me that. I'm always excited about other people's journeys. And that's probably one of the number one questions I get asked the most. Second one is probably how to squirt. But first one is how did you get into the sex toy world? Actually, my husband started the company before we even met. So he had
Starting point is 00:19:02 one store. And when we were dating, women, we're not supposed to pop up on people, but I was the pop up queen when we were dating. So while he was at work at the store, I would be like, hey, I was just in the neighborhood and I stopped by. You know, I wanted to see what was going on. It's lots of women customers. Yeah. And he's, you know, he's not a shabby looking guy. So I had, you know, check on my asset. He's selling vibrators to women. I would show up there more than not. I was just in the neighborhood. Exactly. All the time. Just in the neighborhood. And then eventually he was like, well, since you're going to be here all the time, let me show you how to work this cash register. So he showed me how to do that. And that was my whole job working the cash register. But people used to
Starting point is 00:19:46 keep asking me questions like, how does this work? Why does this work? I have this issue, which should I get it. like, I don't know. And I'm one of them kind of people that if I don't know something, like, it burns me up and I just have to know. So that's when I enrolled in this sex educator training program. I went out to Portland all the way on the other side of country. I went there for two weeks twice to get my certificate in sex education. And it just went from there. And we opened up a second store together. And then our first store, we moved into a bigger location. And so now I kind of like rebranded us you know women we come in we take over we switch changing the drapes change the curtains moving the vibrators around everything so i branded us more as like a kind of like a posh
Starting point is 00:20:31 boutique and um yeah i have nice hardwood floors and chandeliers and nice furniture and i try to make us into somewhere where people can come get education about all the toys there's one thing about going into these stores and you know they could tell you how the toy works but not tell you the why or, you know, what's best for you. I love that, shiny. People still have this notion that, like, you go into a sex toy store and it's still like this sketchy backdoor thing, but no, you created a beautiful boutique that's opening and warm and people feel safe.
Starting point is 00:21:04 And they're going to like, I'm going to spend $200 on a toy. I want to know the why. So you can explain that to them. So first, tell me about your clientele. Is there a specific group of people you target? Yeah, we're, our main store is in a predominantly African-American area. kind of a moderate income. If you're from the D.C. area, I'm in PG County.
Starting point is 00:21:24 Okay. Some people call it the hood, right? I don't think it's that hood, but it's definitely where some stores might not want to be. But I love having a store there. Like, I wanted African-American women especially to be able to see the things in Essence magazine and Cozla magazine. And you see these toys and like, you know, I want this womanizer toy. And a lot of the sex toy stores, I think in certain neighborhoods, they carry, you know, all the jelly dicks and all the, like all the stuff that's crap. Like, they carry for crap because they don't think that people deserve quality toys or they don't think they're going to spend the money.
Starting point is 00:22:01 And I wanted everyone to come into the stores and get all the nice quality toys. So we always have, I keep my ear to the street. I know what's the new hot toy and we always have everything in the store. That's great. So what kind of questions for your clientele? which is mostly African-American women. Are there certain needs that you've found that are different than other? Like, are there certain toys that sell or certain questions?
Starting point is 00:22:24 Well, one of our stores has kind of a diverse crowd. And in our main stores, mostly African-Americans. And people basically ask the same question. Mostly women, they want to know, you know, what's going to give me a fast orgasm? I don't have enough time. Or they come in and say, you know what, my husband, boyfriend, partner, whoever, he sucks in bed.
Starting point is 00:22:44 What can I do to make it better? And I'm like, wait, wait. So I had this whole conversation about, you know, things that do to make, you know, sex with your partner better. And I go into, well, what do you like? Right. You know, have you explained to that one what you like? Because if you're having bad sex, it's your fault.
Starting point is 00:23:00 Well, exactly. Shani, this is my journey to being an educator. I realize that I also was blaming my partners for bad sex. And then I go, oh, I'm responsible. I got to do my own work. So what do you do, Shani, when women come into the store and they're like, because I just pictured you going, well, what do you? you like, and because if in my experience, too, people are like, I don't know. Like, do you think
Starting point is 00:23:19 that they know? Are they able to say what? What do you find they like? Do you notice trends lately? Well, mostly, yeah, if people have like deer in the headlight looks, I kind of guide them on a guided sex tour. I'm like, okay, do you like oral sex better? You like penetration better. So they're like kind of steering me in a direction. Mostly everybody says oral sex. You know, women are clitoris. You know, this is it. This is it. So most of everybody says, You know, I'm a oral set. Okay, so we'll steer over to some catorial toys and start there. That's usually where I go to.
Starting point is 00:23:53 If no one's had a toy before, usually start with a bullet, something, you know, not intimidating, some small, not a lot of buttons and everything. Then, you know, but some people are wild and they're like, no, you know, I want this fancy one that got the anal, the G spot, and the clitters, all the one. I'm like, okay, girl, we're going to. Like the womanizer premium, is that the one? The one that's most famous that I sell. The most popular, what is the name of the company? Now I can't remember. I know, I do this too.
Starting point is 00:24:20 But it's nice soft silicone and it's black and it has the bulbous anus part, anal part, and it has the G-spot part and the clitoral part. So it's the three things going at one. I can't get down like that, but I don't yuck anybody's yum. We do not yuck a yum. I love that. So they're coming in and you're guiding them, but I think that's a good call.
Starting point is 00:24:38 Like most women, yeah, we like oral sex. We like the fingers. It's all about the clitoris and what we can do to make it pleasurable. So you're probably sitting there having really great conversations with women and learned so much. All the tea, people tell me all their facts, the guys come in there. I'm usually talking to women. And I get sometimes get DMs on my Instagram, like, you never show anything for guys. You never talk to guys. But guys, they do come in there with questions about different things and different, you know, masturbators and things they could do to be better for their
Starting point is 00:25:12 partners. So that's always nice, too. Yeah, that is nice. And I think that a lot of times, well, are you still finding that there's a stigma? Do you have women who come in, like, I have to hide this from my boyfriend. He doesn't want me to have a toy. Like, what do you tell those people who still have shame around it? So I'm a little biased because I'm like, if it's something that's bringing you pleasure and you talk to your partner about it, like, hey, this is the thing that's bringing pleasure.
Starting point is 00:25:36 It's not replacing you. It's going to enhance our sexual relationship or whatever the case may be. And they're like, no, no, I don't want that. I don't want you to do that. To me, it's like a telltale sign of bigger problems. Right. It just seems like it's going to be other things that are going to manifest themselves in a relationship where it's going to be, you know, controlling almost.
Starting point is 00:25:58 And to me, that's a red flag. I try not to have, you know, to come to Jesus moments in the store. I'm like, well, you should be able to get what you like. Exactly. It is so true that it's such a great call. It's such an indicator. If your partner is trying to control what toys you buy, the pleasure that you're going to have, that typically is a sign of bigger things and you probably want to be like, and you could also
Starting point is 00:26:20 run for your life right now, you know? Yes. I'm like, blink twice if you're okay. Exactly. And some people come in with their partners and I'm always excited to see partners come in together. Yeah. But sometimes one of them is just like, I don't like nothing. I don't want to know.
Starting point is 00:26:38 And I'm looking at them like, girl. Okay. I know. I just think, but then the good news is I think, well, for me, sometimes I realize that they start out that way. And I'm like, no, listen, this vibration can feel good for you, too. Like, vibrations don't discriminate. They're not just like, I'm going to feel good on a vulva. They can feel great at a penis on the shaft, nipples on all peoples. Yeah. I try to, if it's a partner that's a little bit iffy, but they look like they just need a tiny little push. But I try to get something that's going to involve both of them, whether
Starting point is 00:27:09 the partner, you know, identifies with man, identifies as a woman, something that either they can hold in her hand and use on a partner or they could wear to bring the stimulation to their partner, get some stimulation themselves, instead of something that the partnership's just going to use by themselves. Yes, exactly.
Starting point is 00:27:25 Even though any point that you can use by yourself, you can still use with a partner, but some things are more, you know, marketed for a couple. Well, that's the thing. It's like you have to be so, people think it's so specific. Like if I bought this product for this, I could only use it for this, but a lot of them are multi-use,
Starting point is 00:27:40 multipurpose products. They are. They just get creative. I use a lot, like my magic wand. Me and the magic wand, we didn't bend through some things. I used that magic wand for everything by myself with a partner.
Starting point is 00:27:53 While I'm giving him oral sex, that's one of my favorite things to use. Why I'm giving him oral sex, I use the magic wand. Wow, like on his shaft or his balls. No, I actually sit on it. Oh, you use it for yourself. Yeah, because I am not one of the way.
Starting point is 00:28:08 I even teach a blowjob class, but I am not one of the women that lives and dies to give blow jobs. Like, it's called a job for a reason. Y'all, that's hard work. And sometimes if you're not aroused enough, then you're not going to give a good blow job. So I put it, especially if I'm on the bed, I'll put it underneath me and I'll sit on it so I get that stimulation. So I'm aroused and that makes me give a better blow job. Exactly. That's incentive.
Starting point is 00:28:34 Yeah, no, you're right. That's a great tip. Tell me about your blow job class. What are your tips? pretend I just walked in. What's the blowjob class? It's the whole, see, I could talk forever about blow jobs. I love it.
Starting point is 00:28:43 I love blow jobs. The main four tips, number one, enthusiasm. And that comes with making yourself aroused and, you know, using different flavor lubricants, flavor condoms, you know, get some stuff going for yourself. So you like it. Second tip is wetness. You know, the sloppy to better, all of these cliches are important. You know, friction is the enemy of pleasure.
Starting point is 00:29:06 you do not want to be rubbing off skin layers with your mouth. Not attractive. Communication. It's important to talk to your partner, especially if it's a new person I'm giving a blowchap job to. I like to ask them, you know, if I'm doing something you like, give me some feedback. Let me know I'm doing something you like. If I'm doing something you don't like, you know, give me a little tap on my shoulder.
Starting point is 00:29:30 You know, communicate with me. Let's get this together. And lastly, is, what's my last tip? Oh, technique. You don't want to just be sitting there, just bobbing your head up and down, and that's how you get tired.
Starting point is 00:29:47 Like, your mouth gets tired, your jaws get tired. So I have these different techniques and learning the part of the penis. So what to do on each part of penis that's going to give you the result if you want, because we want fast, efficient blowouts. Like, I want you to get to me. I don't want to spend all night on you.
Starting point is 00:30:04 This is good. And I think that a lot of us don't know, And we think we have to, like, mimic porn or our jaw, we have to be tired. It's like, use your hands, use your, you know, use, yeah, Lou. Like, there's so many great things that you can do and turn yourself on. Yeah. Oh, Shadi, this is good. So let's talk about your experience, too, because I know that you wrote an excellent blog for our website.
Starting point is 00:30:26 Thank you for doing that about your experience in the industry. My experience was very eye-opening. When I first came into the sex toy industry, I kind of live in a lot. bubble where I'm at. I'm so like I went to high school with all black people. I went to all black college. Like I work with all black people. I'm kind of like in a bubble. And so the sex toy industry is very white. It's very, very white, very masculine. And so when I went to my first trade show, I went to Vegas. Have you ever been to the trade shows? Yes. The avian and altitude. All of them. Yes. All of them. Yeah. So I went to one
Starting point is 00:31:01 and ones in Vegas. And I walked in. I was like, ooh, it ain't no black people. I'm looking around like, ooh, lunch is going to be awful. It's not going to be seasoned. It's not going to be good. I was just wondering where all of the black people were. And I had a bad experience at one one time where I was going around to a different booths. And there's one particular booth that I really wanted to see the products. I wanted to see what they had new.
Starting point is 00:31:28 And I'm standing there like, la la la. And the lady is just ignoring me, the sales rep. And she was talking to somebody else, but usually they'd be like, hey, I'll be. right with you. She didn't even like look my direction highly. So I'm waiting her patiently. And another person comes up. And she's like, hey, you're next. I'll be right with you. I'm standing. And so another guy, one of the distributor reps who knew me, came over to the table and was like, you know, Susie Q, this is Shawnee. She has two stores in a D.C. area. And then she's like, oh, hey, how are you? I'm like, nah, it's too late. No way.
Starting point is 00:32:06 too late. And it's just, I don't know if, it's, it's just a good old boy network. Like, when you go there, everybody knows each other. It's just a good old white boy net. Everyone knows each other like, oh, how Sally and the kids? And I just did not fit in. And the later years is getting, it seems like it's getting better. But yeah, I didn't have a good experience. It was hardly any black sex toy manufacturers. I wanted to support. Have you found, so what's some of your favorite black sex toy manufacturers? Some of my favorites is a New York toy collective. They have great dildos. Great good great dildos. Oh, I was looking for great dildos. Yeah, yeah. For my listeners. Okay. Yeah. Also, there is enderotics. They sell a CBD massage oil and she also
Starting point is 00:32:54 has a line of sex toys. Just last week, I was on IG Live with B condoms. They're the only black on condom. I just got them. I love them. Oh, yes. Oh, my God. I've never seen such beautiful condoms. I still haven't tried them out yet. My husband, we've been having raw dog sex with place in time. Right. He's like, really?
Starting point is 00:33:17 A condom? He's like, that's why we're together committed. I don't, but it's a work. So somebody sent us some condoms before. Who sent us kind of? Laylo. Laylo sent us the hex condoms. Oh.
Starting point is 00:33:28 And I just pulled out a condom. Like, I didn't preface the conversation. I was like, hey, let's try out these condoms. I was just like, here's a condom for you to put them. And he's like, do we need to have a conversation? Like, you need to tell me something? I'm like, no, I'm not burning. I don't have anything.
Starting point is 00:33:42 I just want to try out these pex condoms because it's supposed to be really strong. And we tried them out. But yeah, he doesn't, he's not with the condoms thing. But we are going to test them. But I gave you to all my staff. It's part of the job. Like, we got to test out everything. So let's talk about marijuana in sex.
Starting point is 00:33:56 I know you also have a CBD line, right? I do. So it started off with, it actually started from CBD loop where maybe like two years ago or so, it was like the big thing in the sexuality. Huge. So I started wholesaling it from different places and I got such good feedback. And I started using myself and loved it. And then the more I started researching CDD, I learned that it was so many ways that I could take it. And I had anxiety issues and, you know. Who doesn't? Do I see? Yeah, menstrual pain. That's what I'm mostly used it for, anxiety and menstrual cramp. Yeah. And so I started using it. And the more I talked about it,
Starting point is 00:34:34 especially with black people, no one knew what CBD was, or they thought they'd going to get locked up for using it and all these sorts of things. So I was like, you know what? I want to form a company that's specifically targeting African Americans that tell them about CBD, how it could enhance their lives. We're on so many different prescriptions and over-the-counter medicines
Starting point is 00:34:55 that have all the side effects. Yes. And so I love CBD, but I've been getting out there. And then I launched my own CBD line with, CBD lubricant line. So I have a silicone lube and an oil-based lube that doubles as a massage oil. And I
Starting point is 00:35:12 love it. I love so much. Let's talk about the benefits. It helps with anxiety. Like if you, even if your vagina's anxious, it can help relax your vagina. It does. A lot of people, you know, instead of grabbing grab me a glass of wine,
Starting point is 00:35:26 which we're just like a lot of people do. You know, I still have my glass. No judgment. No judgment. But some people depend on it to relax them. And, you know, having drunk sex all the time, that might not be the most fun. And so, and then some people have sexual trauma and different things like that, just relaxing your mind because it's a mind thing. Yes.
Starting point is 00:35:47 So you could focus on the pleasure instead of thinking about all the other bad things that you want to get out of your head. Yeah. And also for pleasure reasons, CBD is a vassal dilator, meaning that it increases blood flow. So the more blood flow to all your good parts, it's going to increase the pleasure. which could lead to bigger orgasms. I just learned this out through using it. I'm not a big anal sex person, but it's anal sex August. You know, talk all this is butt stuff.
Starting point is 00:36:14 Analog, right. In August, so I was like, you know what? I should use my CBD Louvre to have anal sex. Because I'm one of the people, you know, tense up and everything. So I'm not really into anal, but sometimes I like it, little, you know, for his birthday, Christmas, all the kind of things. So I was like, well, let me just say. So I was like, let me try it.
Starting point is 00:36:35 And I don't know if it was a combination of me, my brain knowing it was there and it relaxed me more or I'm sure the CBD helped relax also. But it was just such a better experience using the CBD lube. Yeah, that makes sense because we tense up with anal. We get, oh, we do clench. And there's something ritualistic about the CBD loops too. It's that even if it's, who knows, like I know that it works, but also just the the, the, the, the. ritual of putting it on, waiting a few minutes, waiting for taking it. Expecting that it's going to help you relax, actually can also allow you to relax into your
Starting point is 00:37:12 body more and not clench up and not. Even we do that, we clench up all over, right? So you'll clench up pelvic floor. So I love that. It releases tension. I love it. One of my girlfriends, she has an amitiosis real bad, and she says she loves it. A lot of times when you have painful sex, you automatically equate sex.
Starting point is 00:37:32 with pain. See, she said using the CBD loop over and over again and made her not think, okay, I'm about to have sex is going to be painful. Right. It kind of like helped rewire her brain. It's like psychosomatic. Exactly. It rewires the brain. And also CBD is not a one-time thing. What I've found and what I've heard from many people you probably have too, Shani, is that it takes a little bit of time. You use it a few times in a row. Then it just starts to work even better. Have you noticed? Yeah. Yeah. You can't just be like, oh, I used it once. it didn't work. It's like, okay, settle in. Commit. I sell their CBD products also. Some people, like, especially like the gummies, it always was like, well, I took it one time and
Starting point is 00:38:11 it really didn't do anything. Well, you know, take it for a week straight. Let's try that. Get it in the system, get it going, and then report back. Shawnee, thank you so much for being here. I have to ask you, well, first off, what's your favorite toy? And then I have to ask you my five quickie questions we ask all of our guests. What is your favorite toy today? My favorite toy today is the womanizer duo. Oh, that's the one I was trying to think of, the duo. Oh, yeah, I think her writing on ticket. No, it's just, it's just G-spot and the pleasure wave.
Starting point is 00:38:41 Oh, right, G-spot and the pleasure wave, yeah. Yeah. Oh, I'm glad you reminded me. That's going to be my weekend toy. Oh, my God. I'm going to go charge it. Everything. And I love how, I love how it has the sense motion.
Starting point is 00:38:54 I forget what they exactly call it. But when you, you know, touch your body. What's it called the smart silent technology? Yes. And you could just, you know, when I'm finished, I just toss it next to me on the bed. You just toss it turns off. Yeah, just toss it turns off. It's the best, especially if you have kids in the house or neighbors or you just are like too, too freaking tired to do it.
Starting point is 00:39:16 It just shuts off. And then it saves the battery. It's brilliant. It's a brilliant toy all around. I love it. It's a splurge. So a lot of people ask me, what's my favorite tour? I'm like, is this one?
Starting point is 00:39:24 It's a splurge, but it's worth it. It's for itself. Talk about self-love and self-care. This is where you splurge. You're going to get way more. of that than those pair of shoes. That's my personal belief. Okay, these are our quicky questions we ask all of our guests. Are you ready? Yeah. Shawnee Hart. What is your biggest turn on? Confidence. Biggest turnoff. Stinky balls. What makes good sex? Foreplay.
Starting point is 00:39:52 Something you would tell your younger self about sex and relationships. Ooh, girl, that'd be a whole book. One thing I would tell my youngest stuff would be, to take your time and not try to be like everybody else and have sex when you're ready. Love it. What's the number one thing you wish everyone knew about sex? Everyone, I wish everyone knew about sex. I wish everyone knew that their own pleasure
Starting point is 00:40:22 can be a priority and should be. I love it. Those are great answers. Go to heartdesires.com, H-A-R-T-S-Desires.com. Sex Stuff with Shannie on Instagram. We'll put your blog post in here as well. Thank you so much for being here.
Starting point is 00:40:39 I so appreciate you. It's so lovely to meet you. Hopefully one day not on Zoom. I know, right? It was nice to meet you. Thanks for having me. Thank you.

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