Sex With Emily - The “Bottom” Line On Anal w/ Dr. Evan Goldstein

Episode Date: April 30, 2021

Anal sex isn’t as taboo as it once was but many people are still too shy to explore it. Today, I’m talking with nationally renowned anal surgeon and expert Dr. Evan Goldstein, about all things ana...l. From how to clean up before backdoor play (did you know you can be too clean?), to tips to enhance pleasure and the wide variety of things to try while you’re back there, we’ve got you covered.I also discuss how to address mismatched libidos in a relationship, tips Dr. Evan gives tips on how to relax, toys that can help, and which lubes are best for every act imaginable. We also break down lube shooters, how to minimize the risk of exposing yourself to STIs and what to consider whether you’re a top or a bottom. for getting ready for anal play, how feeling pressure to initiate and perform can affect the quality of your sex life, and the best ways to approach potential partners. For even more sex advice, tips, and tricks visit sexwithemily.com  Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 The misnomer of anal sex is painful. That shouldn't be the case. Anal sex should not be painful. I think people think that you can go from nothing to something big very quickly and you can't. They always want to go from zero to anal. Totally. And there are definitely some people that are able to do it. But the majority cannot. Look into his eyes. They're the eyes of a man obsessed by sex. Eyes that mock our sacred institutions.
Starting point is 00:00:38 Betrubized, they call them in a fight on days. You're listening to Sex with Emily. I'm Dr. Emily and I'm here to help you prioritize your pleasure and liberate the conversation around sex. Anal sex isn't as taboo as it once was, but many people are still too shy to talk about it. Well, today I'm talking with nationally renowned anal surgeon and expert Dr. Evan Goldstein about all things anal. Get ready for it.
Starting point is 00:01:08 We talk about how to clean up before backdoor play. Did you know you can over-douch tips to enhance pleasure and the wide variety of things to try while you're back there? We've got you covered. And remember, this is for all genders interested in anal play. Dr. Evan gives tips on how to relax, toys that can help, and which loops are best for every act imaginable. We also break down loop shooters,
Starting point is 00:01:32 love loop shooter, how to minimize the risk of exposing yourself to STIs and what to consider regardless if you're at top or bottom, you're giving or receiving, we got you. Also, if you want more information on this, just check out our website. We have an FAQ on sexathomely.com. How do I prepare for anal sex?
Starting point is 00:01:52 And we also have an article that do's and don'ts of anal sex. All right, intentions with Emily, love setting an intention before the show. I think about what I would love you to learn in this episode and I want you to join me in doing the same. What do you want to get out of the episode? My intention is to set you up for success whether you're just thinking about trying anal play or you've been enjoying it for years. Remember, if you'd like to ask me a question, the easiest way to do it is sexwithfamily.com
Starting point is 00:02:21 slash ask Emily. All you gotta do include your name, your gender identity, your location, your age, and how you listen to the show. And yes, you can change your name. Oh, and stay tuned because I'm working on starting up the sex with Emily Hotline again. So you can call and leave me a voice bill with your question and soon we'll have a number
Starting point is 00:02:41 you can call into and talk to me again live because I miss you. You can find me in all social media. question and soon we'll have a number you can call into and talk to me again live because I miss you. You can find me in all social media, it's at Sex with Emily. All right, everybody, enjoy the show. I'm excited for my guest. He came highly recommended. Dr. Evan Goldstein is a nationally renowned anal surgeon specializing in sexual health
Starting point is 00:03:05 and wellness care in New York City. Dr. Goldstein has extensive experience educating and shedding light on health care issues for both the LGBTQ community and straight audiences. He's also the founder and CEO of Beespoke's Surgical and the co-founder of Future Method. Find more about Dr. Goldstein on social media at Dr. Evan Goldstein. Hey Dr. Evan Goldstein, welcome to the show. So tell me by yourself. Thank you, thank you. I started a practice called Beast Folks Surgeical about 12 years ago. And I saw a huge need in the community, all stemming from everything that you get asked all the time.
Starting point is 00:03:45 And there really wasn't someone that was spearheading the movement of saying anal sex is totally appropriate and fine. How do we make sure that you are doing it as safely as possible with the appropriate education? And if something does go wrong, how do we now make sure we have professionals that are able to take care of it, both physically and then obviously mentally, because there's so much that combat's both of that. And that was really the impetus of me
Starting point is 00:04:15 starting this practice. I just saw a huge gap in the services that was being delivered. And I was like, how do we just do it and create an environment that is destigmatizing, that doesn't create the taboo that's associated with it, make an environment that's warm and comfortable and inviting because people are really talking about difficult topics and topics that are really true and dear to their heart.
Starting point is 00:04:46 And that's really spearheaded this kind of anal move and it's been kind of crazy. It is an anal movement, what you're doing, because yeah, it is still very taboo though. It's like the other thing that you do, where do you think all the taboo comes from? People always ask me that, why do you think it's so taboo?
Starting point is 00:05:03 I think that again, it probably that the homophobic component and the reality is that it feels so good but with the problem especially is a man i'll never have that honor of being a man and getting it having a prostate but i feel like in the years i've been doing this or something i've noticed is it still taboo and people still wanting to want to know more than any other subject which is why i'm so glad that you're here
Starting point is 00:05:26 But also that straight man have started to come around on their own and just say hey, I'm curious I hear what you've been saying and maybe I should try it out, you know Maybe I should put a finger in there about plug, you know, but there it's it's just in the last few years So I don't know what you can do in there, but we're all ready for it I mean, yeah, you know, I there, but we're all ready for it. I mean, I mean, I think that that has actually been such a huge push and help in terms of everything that we're doing at Bespoke Surgical and also a future method. And we'll talk about that.
Starting point is 00:05:55 I think the key component has been breaking down these stigmas in society. I did a study early on in my career and you know that what I do is a referral-based practice, right? You go to a doctor, you say, my ass is hurt, and then they send you to me. But the reality is that most doctors still don't talk about sex, and they don't ask them on a general health physical of like, hey, are you sexually active? What type of sex are you engaging? Do you enjoy it? Are you happy? I mean, those are questions that people just never ask anybody. No, they don't. And then I said, well, if doctors aren't asking the questions, my business model is flawed, right? Because no one's going to refer, because they're not actually asking the right questions.
Starting point is 00:06:45 And so seven years ago, I hired a publicist and a PR team, and we say, you know what, let's create a mission. And the mission is how do we kind of use popular press and push the narrative so that people can get educated and hopefully explore sexually in new ways that they never actually knew was what they wanted and or possible. And you're so right. I mean, the thing is, is when you look at where we've been successful, we've been successful in two areas.
Starting point is 00:07:20 Female-centered publications and straight, like barstall sports, Cosmo, Vogue, and it's interesting because those are, you know, pushing that narrative into the heterosexual world has actually helped us on the gay space because now people are talking about it and people are saying, well, you know, yeah, I could actually enjoy this and I should offer this to my partner or partners and how do we do it safely? So it's been quite interesting. That is so interesting. You went in through the the straight door to get to the back door.
Starting point is 00:07:55 Okay, so what are all the things that people want to know about anal? Should we just start there? I mean what I can say is off the top of my head it's gonna be painful. How do I clean for it? And you have so much great knowledge in this area. Sure. So when I first started practicing, I kind of broke things up into categories. And that's actually what those pillars
Starting point is 00:08:19 are what is founded in terms of how I practice. And it's, how do you prepare for anal sex? How do you actually engage or play? And then what is the aftercare? And so I think the misnomer of anal sex is painful. It's really that shouldn't be the case. Anal sex should not be painful. You should not bleed. You should not you know be an excruciating pain. That's just not how it should work. I think people think that you can go from nothing to something big very quickly and you can't. It was going to go from zero to anal. Totally. And there are definitely some people that are able to do it. But the majority cannot. And so I usually recommend doing a four to six week
Starting point is 00:09:06 protocol of using toys. And it gets people one to know, do they like it? Or do they find it pleasurable? Two is it really starts for people to learn the pelvic floor and the anal anatomy. There's, it's not very complicated. There's two things in the ass. It's skin and it's muscle. That's not very complicated. There's two things in the ass. It's skin and
Starting point is 00:09:25 it's muscle. That's it. And the key is how do you get the skin to fully relax and how do you get the muscle to relax. Now if you think of skin, skin itself is very very thin, especially in the ass. And so by using a toy or a butt plug or a dilating kit, what you're doing is you're kind of strengthening the skin. And I tell people, it's like you and I going to the gym. If we're lifting weights, we get calluses on our hand. It's the same concept. The bar is creating a protective callus. If you're using a toy in your ass, a couple of times a week, in a very gradual progression, you're gonna start creating good healthy skin
Starting point is 00:10:11 that is now strong enough to descend so that you can engage however and whatever you want. And so the process of dilating over four to six weeks allows for the skin to get fully comfortable with opening, and then allows for you to understand the three different muscles that are there that sequentially need time to learn how to relax. And so I usually tell people it's a six week process, and it's using three toys that come in like a set small medium and large.
Starting point is 00:10:47 And just like going to the gym, I tell people do it right when you're showering by yourself, you'll take the toy, a lot of lube, and you'll just like going to the gym give me two sets of 12. That's all you need to do. Two sets of 12, what? Like pulses or 12 minutes? No, in and out. So you're just going to go all the way in, hold it there until you hit a little resistance and then come back out. And each time that you go in and out, I usually tell people to re-lubricate it so that you're kind of understanding that lube needs to be 360 degrees around. And each time that you're going in and out, you're kind of applying the loop in that area, plus you're learning how to relax those three muscles.
Starting point is 00:11:33 And it takes time. And with that said, it's really for people to understand the anatomy of, okay, this is how I actually relax when I'm engaging. And it takes time for the body because the neural mechanism is only really created for shitting. It's like, hey, how do I relax when I'm going to the bathroom? That's it. Now, it's okay.
Starting point is 00:11:58 How do I take this to the next level and get to a point where I can fully receive what I want? So, how do you explain that? So I can see them putting it in and taking it out. But how do you, is there a breath work that you explain to them when they're going in out? How do they relax? Because the neuro muscular, like we're just, we're so used to tensing.
Starting point is 00:12:18 So how do you get them to be like? That's right. Relax, yeah. Totally right. Well, the small toy is really small. So it becomes, it's pretty easy to go in and out. Now, with that said though, usually how, when someone comes to the office and I'm doing exam, I'm asking them to kind of push out.
Starting point is 00:12:34 I so I usually say, push out like you're gonna take a shift. And what happens is they learn how to relax. And they're like, oh, that's interesting. And I said, yeah, when I'm pushing in the the instrument or the toy, if you push out, it now allows for things to fully to open. And you can start to kind of work breaths into that. And you know, there's yoga, there's pelvic floor therapy. There's all these things that you learn. But the key is going until you hit resistance, holding the toy there, breathing, taking it back out, re-lubricating, and doing it again. And not to get frustrated, because a lot of people will be like, oh god, this is not happening
Starting point is 00:13:17 and they get really tense. And it says, okay, say, okay, that session is finished, try it again another time. And you'll start to see that over the next couple of weeks, that you'll be able to start getting the small in without issues. And then you'll always start with the small toy, gradually working to the medium, and then getting up to the large. And through there, you'll start to really see. Now, if you're bleeding, if you're having pain,
Starting point is 00:13:42 if things aren't moving the way that you're thinking, then you should see somebody. Because there's a lot of people that have predisposed issues, whether it's a hemorrhoid, whether it's a fissure, which is a tear, whether it's some extra skin that developed, I see a lot of post-pregnancy women that come to me with some hemorrhool skin tissue that causes them issues with just wiping, let alone or feeling sexy from vaginal sex, let alone on an anal perspective. So there's lots of things that may cause issues that if things aren't gliding the way that you think that they should, then you should see somebody to make sure that we're all
Starting point is 00:14:22 on the same page before you push it further. How, who else would they see now? You're like the most, I feel like there should be nobody else. If anything goes wrong with my A-ness, I'm getting out of plane to New York. That's what I got to say about that. But yeah, because it's women, it's really, yeah, it's everybody with an A-ness, right? That's right. Which would be all of us.
Starting point is 00:14:41 Are there toys that you recommend or you sell in your office or online? Yeah, so. So on my website, bespoke surgical, there's a lot of different toys that are there and different apparatuses to help. And then it goes over kind of why I think that they're really great. And also people can get the protocol as well on our website so that people can start doing what they need to to get to where they want. And that's bespoke-surgical.com. But you guys can find that. We'll put that in the show notes as well. Okay.
Starting point is 00:15:10 So let's talk about loop for a minute because someone asked me like, I got 30 seconds and they're like, give me your best tips for anal. I'm like, breathe, go slow, use lots of loop, right? That's kind of my thing if I'm like in a hurry. You know, then we talk about it. But the loop thing, my thing if I'm like in a hurry, you know, and then if we talk about it, but the lube thing, it's like, I'm like, apply, reapply, I think silicone lube is the best for anal, typically, water-based, no one's got time for that,
Starting point is 00:15:34 to keep reapplying, reapplying, unless they're using toys, we have to use water-based with toys. But is that pretty much what you recommend? Yeah, you know, I think that not all lube is created equal. That's true. That's for sure, And a lot of people
Starting point is 00:15:45 have reactions to certain lube or cans. So you just got to really see. Now, if I'm playing with toys on my own, I'm using water based because it's just so much easier, easier to clean. And a lot of the toys can't support silicone. So you just got to be careful. If you use silicone with silicone, it actually eats away at some of the rubber and then the silicone there. So I usually say for toys and you're not engaging in anal water-based lube is the best. If you're doing pure anal, I agree with you.
Starting point is 00:16:14 I think silicone has the best lubricity that is out there. With that said, I love toys before sex or during sex because it's going to allow you to be pre-loovircated to be dilated the right way. You know, if you assume that somebody is at a top or someone that is inserting actually knows what they're doing, you're going to get hurt. So my whole stick is if you are about them or receiving, you need to be so understanding of all these things so that you minimize your risk.
Starting point is 00:16:50 And the way to do that is to, you can be submissive, but you can know, okay, how do I make sure that I dilate before? How do I make sure that I'm using the right lube and what's called a lube shooter, which is basically a syringe that I love the Loub. I love that. I love that. Oh, it's a game changer. Once you start using the right tools to get you where you want to go.
Starting point is 00:17:16 And the assumption needs to be, and the goal for bespoke surgical was always, how do I empower the bottom? And by empowering the bottom, it's making sure that they're educated, making sure that they're doing everything right, and also assuming that nobody else knows what the fuck they're doing. Yeah, and if they're on the top, exactly, the top doesn't know, because they're a top. Like, they don't know that you need these things.
Starting point is 00:17:37 Like, how would they know you're right? We have to be our own best anal advocates. That's right. That's right. So many times, you want to just assume, like, I to just assume like i always just assume my partners knew everything because i didn't know anything you know before i had this has my career right right can't find out that no one knows anything
Starting point is 00:17:53 it'll know shit shit stick around after the break doctor goldstein gives his top tips for cleaning up before anal play. So the other question I get asked all the time is about douching. And I know you have some strong protocol around this too. And I wonder, like I often say that the store bought ones aren't so great because there's the vinegar, whatever, whatever, what's in it with that. But then I heard you say an interview, so I want to talk that water is a great either.
Starting point is 00:18:29 So please, please. So one of the things that my practice at Bespoke was I started to see people coming to me over and over with the same injury or the same STD. And then I started to break down into those categories of, well, what are people actually doing? And a lot of people are using really huge bulbs to do shout and clean out. They're using shower hoses. And so we started to look at, well,
Starting point is 00:18:56 what are the differences that are causing problems? And there's three things. One is the solution that people are using is not correct. Whether they're using water or they're using a store bought enema. And what happens is that when you use this, you're actually getting rid of your protective lining in the ass. It's like dosing in the vagina too, because that's right. Same exact concept.
Starting point is 00:19:21 That's right, same exact concept. And the water and the enema cause so much irritation internally that now you are predisposing yourself to HIV, STDs, and injury. And so we said, okay, well, why don't we just develop something that is gonna be safe? And that was the impetus of me creating a future method. And future method is all about that, which is like,
Starting point is 00:19:46 how do we look at sex and the way that communities engage? And then how do we put products to support it? And so I said, OK, why don't we make this our mission? And the first product that we launched with was an appropriate anal douche solution. And the solution is pH balanced very similar to the vaginal side, which is how do we clean and give people what they want,
Starting point is 00:20:11 that sexy feeling and clean, but without irritating the cells, without causing damage. And so I said, okay, first thing, let's come up with a solution. So we did that. Second thing is, let's come up with appropriate education and an appropriate system, because I think people are actually over-douching. They're over-douching.
Starting point is 00:20:33 And then, right, I don't think that everybody needs a douche. If you know your natural cycle, like if you go onto the bathroom that day, you know, like, I don't think you have to. Every time people get so, like what about poop? And then I always say, well, it happens. So throw a sheet down like it's messy. Yes, I agree. And I think that I'm so glad you mentioned that.
Starting point is 00:20:51 Because the reality is that I think seven to eight out of 10 people will not have shit anywhere near where you're having sex. And it's just people to understand anatomy, you know? Where we're having sex and it's just people to understand anatomy you know where we're having anal is actually clean it's when you're having the bowel movement the crap moves into the anal area and then you shit it out right but the rest of that is actually clean and and we talk a lot about instead of anal health gut health which is how do you make sure you're eating right how do we make
Starting point is 00:21:24 sure we're doing nighttime fiber supplementation? So that's you shit. First thing in the morning and it's like a appropriate and it completely empties you. How do you use toys? And I tell people all the time, like prove it to yourself, use a toy without douching on your own. And I bet you nine times out of ten, no poop whatsoever. And so I think the stigma associated with it, your own internal stigma and also society's pressures make people want
Starting point is 00:21:54 to do. So I said, okay, well, if we are going to do, then how do you do it the right way? The right solution, also a much smaller bulb. Our bulb is smaller. Why? Well, because you really just need to clean very, very like eight to 12 centimeters internally. You're not talking about a ridiculous amount where you need to clean. That makes so much sense. Totally. So the key is like, how do you educate people being mad at me? And again, that's to blame for sexual education in our country, right? Specifically, anal and gay sex.
Starting point is 00:22:30 I mean, I hope in my lifetime that there'll be courses that are really sponsored by the appropriate governmental, you know, government. I know, that's what I want to. I want it to for everybody. There's no sex education. And then with gay sex, yeah, I could see that you must have so many people coming in with injuries from years of just not, where would you go? You see porn and they're not showing you the
Starting point is 00:22:52 whole thing. They're not showing you their dilators and building up nothing. There's nothing. So there's more harm. Yeah. Wow. I think this is such a great protocol. So this is what we're talking about is like the having a healthy microbiome. Totally. You know, there's a couple of things and there's some stuff coming out that you'll see on the future method side of biome stuff. And we know a couple of things. When you overduce, we're using water. You're actually altering the microbiome. And there's a specific bacteria that we know elevates. And when that elevates, you're susceptible to STDs, HIV, and injury. So the key is, how do we balance all of this?
Starting point is 00:23:30 I know what people want. They want a sexy ass that has no shit and is silky and playable. I know that. The issue is, how do we now make sure that people are doing it in a way that's not harmful? We do have so many harmful things to ourselves and then we just keep going. Assuming it's going to get better, we don't want to ask our doctors because there's so much shame around it. So I love that your site has so much great education.
Starting point is 00:23:57 I always say less is more with anal. You need to think that in everything. It's like, how do I just create an environment that is going to be safe for everybody and also minimizes much risk as possible? Because the acid itself is very thin walled. The pressures of sex are greater than really what a lot of that can sustain without you taking these precautions in the right way. And then also like, look, you are gonna get hurt
Starting point is 00:24:31 every once in a while and you are gonna bleed and have some pain. And so the question is, okay, well, if that happens, how do I now take care of myself early on to so that I don't have these long-term complications or see somebody that knows about sexual wellness that's specific to my community. That's makes so much sense.
Starting point is 00:24:50 So what do you do for aftercare if you do have tears or just in general? I think that a lot of it is like a three to five day break of making sure the poops are soft. So add some stool softers, ebbs and salt baths are really great. I use these and love these suppositories, which have cocoa butter in them to kind of soothe the lining. Also, even like a preparation age,
Starting point is 00:25:13 both inside and out. And then after three to five days, you should start to see that like, you know, everything's getting better and improving. If things aren't, then the key is really making sure that you see somebody, because there's so many things that we can do early on that doesn't need surgical treatment.
Starting point is 00:25:33 Let's say that we've got people now interested and they're like, okay, I'm gonna take the precautions. Are there any tips you have for beginner anal play? Yeah, so I mean, I think a couple of things. One is being in control. The first couple of sessions is so important. So a lot of it is just being on top. Meaning have the person lay down, get them erect,
Starting point is 00:25:56 or whatever toy they're using. It depends on how you're engaging. And you're in control. You're sitting on it. You're trying to manipulate and try to see, don't let somebody get behind you. If somebody's behind you, they're going to kind of do their thing and their thing is not really over the best. So the key is kind of, I think bringing in toys to foreplay is amazing. You know, especially like, you know, fine, if you don't want to bring it in,
Starting point is 00:26:25 because you don't feel comfortable, do it literally right before. And again, like when you're dushing, when you're cleaning out, if that's what you're doing, use the toy. It helps with getting rid of any extra liquid solution that you use. It'll also lubricate everywhere and get you kind of prepared to then do what you want to. I think you need to find somebody that is super fun, but also communicative, so that you can have a really, really good like, hey, this is my first or hey, this is what I want to do. And then can we kind of work together in a really good way, where it may not be overtly crazy sexy, but you're learning had to kind of
Starting point is 00:27:05 manipulate in the way to then get yourself into a good space with different positions, etc. So you've got to choose like a friend with benefit or a partner that is really really understanding and trying to see. And also you know, don't go crazy big, you know, I'm saying I know we all like big things, but you know, choose wisely the size as well if you can. That can happen too, people will that what you're
Starting point is 00:27:30 saying is Tony Hill picture analist someone coming in from behind, but I love what you're saying about it being on top and lowering yourself down so you're in control. Exactly. So it's a commissionary.
Starting point is 00:27:40 That's right. I know so any of the positions that you're facing the partner is actually a really good position because you can see the grimaces. You can see the pain. You can see the pleasure. You can kind of you're kind of forced to communicate even if it's not verbally. So like I usually tell people starting in that capacity is a really good way. And then once you kind of get yourself into a really good space, then great thing you could start to explore and be open to that.
Starting point is 00:28:10 I also think that like using the toys, I usually tell people there's a dilator kits that I like. And then like, if you've passed that, then the next is kind of Dildos, which I think are really great because they're lifelike, they'll give you a little bit of understanding of, oh, this is how I can actually relax to achieve what I want.
Starting point is 00:28:29 So there is this kind of middle ground before you're kind of jumping on the real thing. Now, is it ever, we're going back to size. Is it ever a case where it's just too big? You're like, that's just no. Like, this is just a no, no, no. The text you pictures are like, Dr. Goldstein that right? That is the hardest thing to teach somebody which is when to say no. I mean, I even to my kids right? I mean, you know, you're kind of like in anything like well that's probably not a good idea right? And so with that said
Starting point is 00:28:59 you really need to understand and using the toys and the dildos will allow you to understand like what you're capable of doing. Now, no matter what, there are definitely people that as they're using toys and dildos, they cause issues. It's painful, they feel burning, there's a little bit of a tear and it becomes this restriction that doesn't allow them to engage with what they want. And there's certain things that I can do in the office and in an operating room to help people. A lot of people, their muscle is way too tight. I see people that, you know, we're a lot of Peloton users. We're doing a lot of squats. All these things create such beautiful butts, right? But they're actually getting so much muscle to happen annually. And so what you see is that they're not able to fully, fully relax.
Starting point is 00:29:53 I see a lot of body builders come to me because they have so much muscle built up annually that now when we say, okay, relax, they can't. And so I do a lot of Botox where I can inject Botox into certain muscles to give people that relaxation. Also, I give some under the skin line or actually bring people to the operating room to kind of open up both the muscle and the skin to now allow people to do what they want. So using the toys and the dildos and kind of preparing allows for people to really see like, oh, well, maybe I do have something that's limiting me. And I do want to engage.
Starting point is 00:30:37 Now the muscle is really great. You can kind of work that in both capacities, tight and loose. But a lot of times it's the skin that's the limiting factor. And today I had a couple of Skype calls from people where they go to a surgeon and the surgeon basically cuts the muscle because they're like, oh, they're too tight. But the reality is that no, they were taking dick and toys before. It's actually the skin. And if you don't correct the skin issues,
Starting point is 00:31:06 it's never gonna actually heal. Be right back after this quick word from our sponsors. When we come back, Dr. Goldstein and I answer your listener questions. So I have a question for you about the gay community. So I always have, I was talking to some of my gay friends about this. They're like, oh yeah, they're only bottoms or they're only tops. But I'm wondering, like, I always say like if I had a prostate, I would definitely like
Starting point is 00:31:35 take a gander and figure it out. Is it more like you just think like, I'm just going to be a bottom or I'm just going to be at top? Like, you know, there are switches, but you think there would be more because it can feel good to everybody. So what is that about? Do you think it's changing at all or? It is because actually my generation, I'm in the 40 to 60s, right?
Starting point is 00:31:55 So we're actually the first living out gay men ever. You know, you think about what generation before they all died of HIV and AIDS, right? Exactly. So what you're seeing is, you're seeing a lot of people as they're aging, they're out of different, they're out of their older relationships or their erections aren't working so well. So now they're varying into other things. Now, my question is, and you kind of brought it up, which is when someone comes to my office and I ask them do you identify gay, straight by whatever and then they say yes, I say okay Do you engage in elite? Do you consider yourself a top first bottom if at all and most of them like oh well, I'm a top and then I usually say well
Starting point is 00:32:40 Are you a top because you're just like that's not my thing or are you a top? Because you're just like, that's not my thing. Or are you a top? Because when you tried to bottom, it was painful. It didn't feel good. And nine times at a 10, all of these tops want to take it up the ass. That's what I thought. I'm so glad you're like, in my own research,
Starting point is 00:33:00 I'm like, that makes no sense. Why would you only be a top? Right? That's right. Right. Interesting, that makes no sense. Why would you only be a top? Right? Feel that. Interesting. That makes so much sense, of course. Now, I think that they're definitely gonna be people that are upon those. I'm like, hey, I want to do, this is who I am.
Starting point is 00:33:13 And I totally get that and respect that. With that said though, a lot, and I say, well, what if I were to make bottoming feel really good? What if I make it to the point where like, you're like, I like this? Like would you do it? And they're all like hell yeah I would do it. I mean I do it like all the time but I would definitely bring it into my world. And then also you know we did a couple of research studies on different cities and like you know there are definitely cities that have way too many
Starting point is 00:33:42 bottoms or have way too many tops. And so like, you know, if you become a little bit more versatile, you could actually kind of change your experience. This is an education, I think, unique, because I've just, I've just been talking to my friends about it and just asking it. So I think, yeah, it's just we don't have the information. Maybe it hurt once. Maybe you maybe there's still isn't, maybe you're gay and there's still some homophobia. Who knows? That's right. We actually got some questions that came in from our listeners that I would love you to help me answer.
Starting point is 00:34:11 Okay, this is from Sarah in her 30s in Chicago. Hey Dr. Emily, I started listening a month ago. I love your show. Thanks for the help. I've learned a lot. Okay. So I have hemorrhage and I'm wondering, does that mean I should never have anal sex? They developed in my 20s. I'm about to be 40, they don't flare up much anymore, hardly at all, but the skin tags are still there. It's embarrassing. I've had some insecurity during sex just at the idea of them being seen. I've thought about having them removed. I'm gaining some confidence though, really only recently since I started listening to your show. My front with benefits has shown interest in tickling my butthole when we shower together, so I've started to warm up to the idea, which I never would have before.
Starting point is 00:34:50 He hasn't asked for anal sex. He just asked if it feels good when he tickles it. I'm not sure if he's seen it, I imagine he has, it makes me nervous. Is it bad to consider sex to have hemorrhids? So I guess she has skin tags and she's had a history. What do you think about this? So I think let's break it down into hemorrhoids first and skin tags. Okay.
Starting point is 00:35:09 So hemorrhoids are there for reason. They're there to protect the ass. So when we're pooping or we're having sex, blood goes into those hemorrhoids which are these veins and acts like an airbag. It's like a cushion. And then blood leaves. If we're pushing too much, if we're constipated, if we're doing heavy lifting, if post pregnancy, the mechanism of blood going and blood leaving can leave you with these extra skin or these hemorrhoids that flare up periodically. Now, if you have hemorrhoids, the key is, no, if you're not
Starting point is 00:35:48 bleeding, you're not having pain and you feel fine, using toys actually probably helps the hemorrhoids because most of the hemorrhoids happen because your ass is too tight. And so if you're able to fully relax, those hemorrhoids usually don't flare. So the key component is, yeah, I would say, look, if you're able to fully relax, those hemorrhoids usually don't flare. So the key component is, yeah, I would say, look, if you have hemorrhoids and they're not bothering you, use some toys with good lubricant and seeing
Starting point is 00:36:14 if indeed they become an issue. Some people, they will and it flares up and like, all right, well, then maybe we need to tend to the hemorrhoids. But many people are able to use toys, dilate, stretch, the hemorrhoids never flare and they're good to go. So I would say using the toys with lube and going slow. Now, on the sexy side, a lot of people that I see, I do a lot of aesthetic work with, how do we make things look prettier?
Starting point is 00:36:43 And it's not even on an anal side, because I have so many women that just are like, Evan, I just feel gross just on a vaginal side, because someone's gonna see this or they feel it, and I just get so self-conscious. And there's lots of things that I can do to remove the extra skin that's there, aesthetically make it pleasing,
Starting point is 00:37:04 plus also if we need to take care of the hemorrhoid. move the extra skin that's there aesthetically make it pleasing, plus also if we need to take care of the hemorrhoid. The key is how do we make people feel sexy and then engage sexually however they want? And that can happen. It's just a matter of making sure that it aligns with their ultimate goals. Okay, wow, that's great.
Starting point is 00:37:23 You can kind of fix anything then, really. Skin tag, you can remove skin tag easily, but. Okay, wow, that's great. You can kind of fix anything then, really. Skin tag, you can remove skin tag easily, but yeah, a lot of doctors won't remove the skin tags. And it's, you know, I kind of bridge plastic surgery and colorectal and I put it together. These guys, they don't think that skin tags are a problem. You know, they don't have the concept of like, well, just ignore it.
Starting point is 00:37:44 Well, wait a second, I feel it every time I walk. I'm trying to wear a G-string for a sexy night and I feel them and they're rubbing. All these things I know men and women can be an issue and the answer is it shouldn't be an issue and there are solutions that are out there. Now they have a place to go and feel safe to talk about it because no one wants to go into their doctor. That's great. So I've got a skin tag in my anus. You must be busy.
Starting point is 00:38:10 You really must be. Okay, this is from Shannon, 29 in Texas. And she says, Hi, Dr. Emily, I have a male friend who really wants to experience anal, but he had his colon removed. And he says his doctor said he can have anal sex. What are your thoughts on this?
Starting point is 00:38:25 Is there any possibility for him to experience anal pleasure? So it's a little bit of a complicated question because I don't know when they had the colon removed, which portion of the colon was removed and did they put this person back together. So now there are definitely people that I treat that had colon resections that Do engage annually and they can it really depends upon how they were put back together If it was let's say a rectal tumor and they remove that portion when they put people back together There's a staple line or a suture line very close into the S. And so sometimes they're prohibitive of doing anal. With that said, a lot of times there's certain things that I can do to help to make
Starting point is 00:39:14 sure that one that the suture line is exactly what it should be strong enough to engage anal. We talk about different practices of making sure that they're prepared because if they lose a portion of their coal and sometimes they have a little bit more diarrhea and they can't hold their stools. So we talk on using emotium or tincture of opium or certain things to kind of slow their gut down so that they can engage annually the way that they want to. I think that, you know, this is the typical straight doctor who is like, ah, you know, who the fuck, you don't need anal sex. I shouldn't be doing that shit anyway, you know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 00:39:55 Any answers? No. He needs to be evaluated. There needs to be discussions to make sure that we're doing everything safely. But if somebody wants something up their ass, they should be discussions to make sure that we're doing everything safely. But if somebody wants something up their ass, they should be able to do it. And have them call me or email. We do a lot of things out from all over to try to see if they're able to do what they want. Okay, well, however, reach out. All right, here's another question. Alice in 24 in Georgia, dear Dr. Emily, my boyfriend, I want to try anal sex. Neither of us have ever experienced it. I know there are anal kits, toys and loops for anal sex.
Starting point is 00:40:29 But where do we start? What are your tips and suggestions for beginners? Yeah. So I think that it's great if both want to be involved in it and the more the merrier. I think that the key, like we said prior, was understanding the anatomy, understanding how do you gradually work with different sets of toys. At bespokecurgical.com, we talk a lot about the protocols. Also, it'll, in our shop, have different lubricants that we think are really important with
Starting point is 00:40:57 loop shooters and also these diluting kits. And it goes over certain toys that I like and why I like them. And it gives people just an understanding of the right way to start out. And again, it's a good four to six weeks and using this as foreplay to see first off if you really enjoy it. And if you do, great, keep going. Most people, once you finish the four to six weeks, you're up to about the medium to large toy and then you can definitely start getting into anal. So check out the website and then obviously if they, you know, if there's more questions, I'm totally available. Okay, good. I love that. Okay, there's one more question I have for you because I want to know about your study you did on your site, people can find it at bespokecirical.com about the most popular sex positions based on Google searches by state.
Starting point is 00:41:49 So people love sex positions, they want to know. And I was just interested to find out like, what are we doing in California, right? So we're doing the cliff diver, which I don't even know what I guess it looks familiar. And then like, okay, so you're, I don't know, tell me about the impetus for the survey, and what we need to know about sex positions across America. Yeah, so I mean, I think that it just,
Starting point is 00:42:13 we do a lot of different studies and campaigns as it relates to sex. And we wanna know, like, what are the favorite positions? What about different toys from different bondage to different, you know Sexual positions and different components to this and so we run usually about four or five campaigns a year And we do a lot of really interesting studies to try to figure out across the country or across the world How do we start and it's all to kind of really how do we start? And it's all to kind of really destigmatize sex. And it's also interesting to see like in certain locations where it's really, really what you would think is like back country
Starting point is 00:42:54 and nobody's engaging where you start to say, holy god, like this is crazy. And you start to really develop and understanding that everybody is into anal. And everybody is into sex. And now the key is, well, okay, it's all well and good behind closed doors, but how do we start bringing it to the forefront so that people are exposed and hopefully over time, really the stigma and the taboo starts to diminish. Yeah, there's a rise in anal engagement,
Starting point is 00:43:23 you might as well do it correctly, and let's minimize your pain and enhance your pleasure, which is what you're all about. Totally, totally. I think we spoke of obviously the before, we spoke of the play of positions and lubricants, and then kind of the aftercare. I think it's so interesting when you look at people
Starting point is 00:43:41 do so much for their face, right? In terms of facials and exfoliants and all these things, well, the same thing should happen annually. You know, one thing I think I want all your listeners to know is, wet wipes are terrible for you. That's so many. I just see that why, why, I did not know that. But if you were like screw goldstein,
Starting point is 00:44:03 I'm gonna use these wet wipes. Oh, wipes are just like, even what are the ones that are made for set? Tell me why. Couple of things. One is when you think just moisture in general, that area is already too moist, too wet. Because it's where the sun doesn't shine.
Starting point is 00:44:20 There's sweat that happens. We're sitting all day. We're usually clothed. So when you're using wipes, a couple of things happen. One is the solution gets rid of the good bacteria. So again, we spoke of that microbiome. There's a balance. We have good and bad bacteria.
Starting point is 00:44:36 And when you use wet wipes, what happens is you're getting rid of the good protective bacteria. So you see a lot of irritation from fungus to even like a herpes outbreak or these source even in my community. I start to see a lot of HPV and in an awards just from these wives. And most people are using them. Look, the companies do so well in advertising and they're like, oh my god, I want to be so clean. But what you see is all of these complications from that. And so we speak a lot of toilet paper popping into the shower, the days, less of that chemical.
Starting point is 00:45:16 And even if they say, oh, it's chemical free, it's natural. Well, no, it's not. It's moisture and the cloth that people are using, people are irritated in and of itself on that aspect. So you just got to be super careful with the wipe stuff. You know, periodically, once here and there, it's not a huge deal. But it's the regular usage of that that causes issues.
Starting point is 00:45:40 So some people have them instead of toilet paper, they just have that. That's right. Don't do that. Okay, even your anus, how about your vagina as well? So same component to it, you know. Yes, some people have them instead of toilet paper. They just have that. That's right. Don't do that. Okay. Even your anus, how about your vagina as well? So same component to it, you know.
Starting point is 00:45:49 You know, the thing is that when we wipe with wipes, people are like, Oh, great. I'm clean. And then they pull up their underwear and it's not dry. And so that moisture sits there all day and causes issues. So it's the wipes. Wow. Second is, you know, we, we, a future method came out with an anal exfoliant because I started to see like post sex
Starting point is 00:46:12 people with silicone lube, it's so hard to get off, right? Even your sheets, right? Yes, yes, yes. But with that, I was like, well, wait a second. If you're showering, why don't we just come up with an exfoliant that just gets rid of the excrement, the silicon loop, but also kind of like soothes it, polishes it, and creates this kind of first aid in the area. Because we know that even if you feel great, that there's definitely friction and irritation in the area. So, so we said, okay, well, let's do that. We came
Starting point is 00:46:47 up with the button body anal exfoliant, which we absolutely love with our signature sense. And then I said, okay, well, well, now that we're done, how do we come up with a lotion that is like this first aid to the ass, right? You cleaned it, now it's dry, how do we come up? But again, it took us a while because a lot of the lotions create too much moisture. And so we want it fast on, but fast dry. We want the soothing capability in the first aid component, but we don't want any excess.
Starting point is 00:47:21 I ran all about you and I've heard about you and I think you're doing amazing work and I feel like you've such a great niche here that people and it's our aided like everyone has one. Like the fact that you're creating such these great products for everybody is really incredible. So congrats on all of your all of your success. And thank you. Thank you for being here. I have to ask you the five quicky questions we ask all of our guests. So just quick answers. Ready? Biggest turn on. Biggest turn on.
Starting point is 00:47:47 Smooth. Smooth. Biggest turn off. Hair. What bit? No hair. What makes good sex? Oh, God.
Starting point is 00:47:55 What makes good sex? I think for play. Something you tell your younger self about sex and relationships. I made so many errors in as I was going through this. Just be true to who you are. Okay, what's the number one thing you wish everyone knew about sex? That anal sex shouldn't be painful and that it should be a hundred percent pleasurable and the world should accept anal into their hearts. I'm doubt. Is it still illegal in states, isn't it? There's some states.
Starting point is 00:48:29 It's crazy or even countries. I mean, come on, we still have so much work to do, but I thank you. I mean, oh my god, I listened to what you're doing out there. So congrats on all of that. Thank you. And thanks for taking the time to support my mission and cause. And if you need anything forward, any questions pop up. Yeah, totally. I'm all about it. I'm all about, where can we kind of throw out your site,
Starting point is 00:48:53 but where can people find you? Just let us know in the comments. Sure, so bespoke surgical on all the Instagram, Facebook handles, or bespokeseurgical.com, future method, futuremethed.com, and then the future method on Instagram. And then I kind of do anal and my family life with my partner, we have two twin boys together. And that's on Dr. DR Evan Goldstein on Instagram handle.
Starting point is 00:49:18 Okay, great. Thank you for being here. I so appreciate you. Thank you, thank you. That's it for today's episode. Thanks for listening to Sex with Emily. Be sure to like, subscribe, and give us a review wherever you listen to podcasts and share this with a friend or a partner. Believe me, if you've got something out of this episode, they will too. We released two to three episodes a week. Find me at Instagram, YouTube, Facebook and Twitter. It's all at sex with Emily.
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