Sex With Emily - The Heart Tongue Technique That Changes Everything"
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                                        It's time to feel more alive in your body.
                                         
                                        Because what I would love to do is like get rid of the whole sex foreplay construct.
                                         
                                        Because all the foreplay stuff is just as important and pleasurable and orgasmic as the
                                         
                                        intercourse stuff.
                                         
                                        You're listening to Sex with Emily.
                                         
                                        I'm Dr. Emily, and I'm here to help you prioritize your pleasure and liberate the
                                         
    
                                        conversation around sex.
                                         
                                        If you've ever wondered why you can't orgasm during intercourse or if your partner
                                         
                                        finishes way too quickly, this episode is about to change everything.
                                         
                                        I'm talking with my friend Susan Bratton, entrepreneur, sex educator, and author of 34
                                         
                                        books, and she's sharing the techniques that have her inbox flooded with thank you
                                         
                                        messages. Susan tackles the biggest mystery in heterosexual sex, why Volvo owners struggle
                                         
                                        to orgasm during penetration. We're also answering listener questions from a man whose girlfriend
                                         
                                        can't orgasm with him despite trying everything, and a woman wondering if she's ever actually
                                         
    
                                        had an orgasm and what squirting is really about. This conversation is packed with actionable
                                         
                                        techniques you can use tonight. So grab a pen because you're going to want to take notes.
                                         
                                        All right, let's get into the episode.
                                         
                                        excited to welcome entrepreneur and fellow sex expert Susan Bratton onto the show today.
                                         
                                        Susan has authored and published 34 books and programs, including her Amazon number one
                                         
                                        international bestseller, Sexual Soulmates, the Six Essentials for Connected Sex.
                                         
                                        Susan believes that shame-free, frequent sexual pleasure is every man and women's birthright,
                                         
                                        a frequent and riveting speaker from the stage on television, on podcast.
                                         
    
                                        She's welcome back on this podcast, Susan, summits online video and through her third.
                                         
                                        thousands of magazine and website articles. Susan invites lovers to embrace giving and receiving pleasure
                                         
                                        as a vital element of being alive. Susan, my old friend, we've known each other for a long time.
                                         
                                        I'm so excited to have you back on the show. I'm happy to be here, my sweet angel. How are things going?
                                         
                                        It's going really well. I have to say. People are into it. They're really into it. And it's
                                         
                                        been wonderful. Thank you. And thank you for your support of the book. Of course. It's my pleasure.
                                         
                                        I appreciate you always. I appreciate you always. I know. You always have been, Susan. I was telling you
                                         
                                        my producer, you were on, I think, with Tim, your husband of 30 years now, right? I think in 2009,
                                         
    
                                        in San Francisco, 2010. So it's time. And I have to say that I love having you on the show for many
                                         
                                        reasons, because we can go off on so many things. But the top questions we both get asked,
                                         
                                        and I'm just going to say that I think you're going to agree with me here. The top questions
                                         
                                        we get asked are from penis owners, how do I last longer in bed? And Volvo owners, why can't I have
                                         
                                        an orgasm during intercourse? Would you say that those are the questions you pretty much
                                         
                                        get asked as well, around lasting longer, staying harder, and then from Volvo owners, like,
                                         
                                        what's up with my orgasm? Yeah, definitely, what's up with my orgasm. For men, what I hear more is
                                         
                                        how do I get my partner to initiate sex or have more sex with me, which I think is all a part of
                                         
    
                                        this, too. The stamina piece is so interesting because, honestly, all of this is, there's so
                                         
                                        much misunderstanding about how it's supposed to go. And I think that misunderstanding comes from
                                         
                                        a combination of kind of religious shame and repression, sexual depiction in the media,
                                         
                                        including pornography, not understanding our genital systems, and how different the male and
                                         
                                        female arousal ladders are and the difference between being a testosterone dominant human being
                                         
                                        and an estrogen dominant human being. One of the great things about sex is that once you get over
                                         
                                        someone being super pissed off about no one ever explaining anything to them and you tell them,
                                         
                                        don't blame your parents. They didn't know much they were doing the best they could do. It's not
                                         
    
                                        your church's job or your school's job to do it. That's never going to happen. Your personal growth
                                         
                                        and sexual growth are two sides of the same coin. Thank God you care enough about it to be pissed.
                                         
                                        Now put that all behind you and just start learning techniques because sex is a series of linked
                                         
                                        skills, communication techniques, and understanding how to take care of your body. So it operates
                                         
                                        well your whole life. So you've got a long sex span, which adds to your longevity and your happiness.
                                         
                                        And it's just one thing and the next thing and the next thing. And you and I doing this for decades,
                                         
                                        we know we're learning new things every day. I mean, that's the fun thing. I always joke that if
                                         
                                        sex were a brand, it would be sex. There's always something more. Sex is a skill set, right?
                                         
    
                                        That's exactly it. Once people can say, okay, I'm going to get rid of the shame, the trauma,
                                         
                                        all that stuff. Once we get them past that, and then they show up to the sexual set,
                                         
                                        the exciting things in the world, then they're like, okay, let's go. And that's when they have
                                         
                                        to start learning. And in many cases, unlearning, right? Unlearning all the misinformation that they
                                         
                                        were told. And Susan, you have so much information and materials and books and things about
                                         
                                        orgasms. Like, I'm always learning too. We're all going to learn some stuff today from Susan Bratton
                                         
                                        because she's just a phenomenal resource. We do have some listener questions. I just thought
                                         
                                        we could, we will also get into. Yay, that's like, I know, right? I love for me, Emily.
                                         
    
                                        It is. So maybe we just, you know, Susan, I think we should just get into the questions now.
                                         
                                        Okay, this is from Tom and he's 50 years old. Great.
                                         
                                        Hey, Dr. Emily, my partner I've been dating for about a year and a half and getting pretty serious.
                                         
                                        She's amazing, perfect in so many ways, but there's one problem in our sex life, and I'm not
                                         
                                        sure if it's her problem or my problem.
                                         
                                        She can't achieve orgasm during sex.
                                         
                                        Apparently, she occasionally achieves orgasm alone through masturbation, but I don't think
                                         
                                        she masturbates very often.
                                         
    
                                        She says she's never had an orgasm with a partner, but she really enjoys sex, especially
                                         
                                        sex with me.
                                         
                                        So for her, not having an orgasm doesn't seem to be a problem.
                                         
                                        For me, however, it is a problem.
                                         
                                        I find sex somewhat unfulfilling if my partner does an orgasm.
                                         
                                        What should I do? It's not that I'm not trying to satisfy her. I totally am. She has a vibrator
                                         
                                        that we sometimes play with together, but even that doesn't bring her to climax. I think maybe
                                         
                                        she's nervous or self-conscious with me and can't achieve orgasm help. Before we get into this,
                                         
    
                                        he's not sure whose problem it is. She can't have an orgasm during penetration. She does it during
                                         
                                        masturbation, but she probably doesn't masturbate enough. And then he's feeling really not great
                                         
                                        about himself like sex isn't great because she's not having the orgasms during intercourse. Is she nervous,
                                         
                                        self-conscious? I mean, Susan, what do you think? Where do we tell them to start here? This is a beautifully
                                         
                                        asked question because it really points out a number of things that happen. So the first thing that I'll say
                                         
                                        is that the 44th book that I'm working on is called orgasmic intercourse. How to Cross the Gasm-Casm.
                                         
                                        because this is the number one thing in pair-bonded, heterosexual, monogamous partners,
                                         
                                        man-woman pairings, which is the big bell curve of people.
                                         
    
                                        It's the number one issue.
                                         
                                        Going back to what you said earlier, for a lot of guys, it's also that they can't last long enough.
                                         
                                        That's not what we're talking about here.
                                         
                                        And one of the things that jumps out at me right away is that I really appreciate his empathy.
                                         
                                        And I also love how it highlights the fact that for the large majority of our male partners,
                                         
                                        they really, really want us to have incredible pleasure.
                                         
                                        You don't really want to have intercourse with us if we're not also having orgasms.
                                         
                                        That's one thing.
                                         
    
                                        The second thing that I can say is that because orgasmic intercourse is learned skill,
                                         
                                        it's really just a series of what you said earlier, Emily,
                                         
                                        unwinding the misinformation and adding the techniques and steps so that people can achieve that
                                         
                                        incredible bliss that comes from two lovers in orgasmic ecstasy, entwined in each other's
                                         
                                        bodies together. And there are a couple of things. The first is that performance anxiety is one of
                                         
                                        the biggest issues for all people in sex. And I think that's part of what is happening.
                                         
                                        here is that she's just kind of, number one, she worries probably that she can do it,
                                         
                                        not understanding that all people can have orgasms from intercourse. It's simply a series of
                                         
    
                                        learned skills. So that would be the first thing that I would want her to know is that there's
                                         
                                        nothing wrong with you and you can do it. I'm just going to teach you how. And then that just
                                         
                                        like immediately makes people feel better. The second thing is that it is the two people
                                         
                                        together, working together to create the pleasure and the heart connection and the encouragement
                                         
                                        and the space and the time and the love to make it happen. And you start feeling little
                                         
                                        inklings of it and then pretty soon it's happening and then pretty soon it's happening a lot.
                                         
                                        And then pretty soon it's reliable and then pretty soon it's like, how could we have ever
                                         
                                        been the other way? So it happens quickly. Your body really wants those pathways.
                                         
    
                                        Another thing that I guess I would say the steps are important.
                                         
                                        One of the biggest issues I see is that couples think about sex as like foreplay, sex,
                                         
                                        and then maybe they've heard the word aftercare, but probably not even.
                                         
                                        It's like foreplay and sex.
                                         
                                        And sex is the goal.
                                         
                                        And everything leads to that.
                                         
                                        And people are kind of in a race to get there because that's what sex is.
                                         
                                        And the problem is that that's come from our religious background that says sex is.
                                         
    
                                        is for procreation only. So the only thing that matters is intercourse. And what I would love to do,
                                         
                                        and I'd love it if you had a better word for this, Emily, let's put our heads together. Because what I
                                         
                                        would love to do is like get rid of the whole sex foreplay construct. Because all the foreplay stuff
                                         
                                        is just as important and pleasurable and orgasmic as the intercourse stuff. Kissing, genital
                                         
                                        pleasuring, full body touch, breast and nipple play, yoni and lingam massage, the, you know,
                                         
                                        vulva and penis massage, oral pleasuring, intercourse, anal course, all of those things
                                         
                                        are all magnificently orgasmic once you learn how to do them. Because we have all kinds of orgasmic
                                         
                                        receptor tissue all throughout our body. And the more of it you get in play, you've probably
                                         
    
                                        had Dr. Nan Wise on your show. Have you had her on? Years ago, yes. She was the one who put all the
                                         
                                        women in the fMRI machines and had them touch different locations and it lit up different parts of
                                         
                                        the brain. And sex being that mind-body connection where your brain's your biggest sex organ,
                                         
                                        the more of it you light up, the more pleasure you feel, the easier it is to achieve orgasm.
                                         
                                        And then I'll say one more thing and I'll shut up because I want to hear what you have to say.
                                         
                                        And that is, when you're talking about the male body and the female body, the testosterone dominant penis owner and the estrogen dominant vulva owner, and I like to call it a yoni instead of a vulva, because the vulva is the outside and the vagina's the inside and there's a whole bunch of stuff in there that's super important, which I'm about to say.
                                         
                                        So he's horny every day.
                                         
                                        He masturbates every day.
                                         
    
                                        And generally, if he's healthy, these are all just bell curve things.
                                         
                                        Some people don't, you know, and all that stuff.
                                         
                                        But he wakes up with a morning wood and he thinks about sex and he masturbates and he looks at your
                                         
                                        naked body and he gets an erection.
                                         
                                        It takes a minute or two or even less sometimes, maybe a little longer, but he's got fast-acting
                                         
                                        blood flow to his penis because it's like a straight shot.
                                         
                                        Well, here we women are estrogen dominant.
                                         
                                        We're more skitterish.
                                         
    
                                        We're the more oriented toward responsive arousal than the spontaneous arousal of our male-bodied
                                         
                                        partners. We have all the same erectile tissue that needs to get all the same blood flow,
                                         
                                        but it's in all these nooks and crannies. We've got three erectile tissue systems that make up our
                                         
                                        structures that need to get that blood flow. And that takes us a little time to calm down and get
                                         
                                        in our bodies and relax and let our saliva flow and our lubrication flow through our vagina.
                                         
                                        and when we're worried already about it,
                                         
                                        it makes it doubly, triply, quadrupley hard for us.
                                         
                                        And when we're racing to penetration,
                                         
    
                                        instead of taking all that stuff we call foreplay
                                         
                                        to get us really aroused and to get that,
                                         
                                        I like to call it a yoner,
                                         
                                        like a yonie boner, like a clit boner,
                                         
                                        but it's not even just the tip of the clit that we think about.
                                         
                                        It's all that huge amount of erectile tissue
                                         
                                        that would totally fill our hand if we took it out of our vulva.
                                         
                                        You think about your penis owner, and he's got his little banana in his pants there,
                                         
    
                                        and you take that banana out and you peel it and take all that erectile tissue
                                         
                                        and wrap it around our vagina right in our vulva.
                                         
                                        If we don't have 15, 20, sometimes 30 minutes when we're stressed or tired or where we are
                                         
                                        in our cycle, we're being penetrated before we have our lady boner, our yoner.
                                         
                                        And so when you're flaccid and small and tight and not engorged, you have less surface area
                                         
                                        to send the signals to your brain that say, this is pleasure.
                                         
                                        So you're actually getting less signals.
                                         
                                        And so the more you slow down and let that all plump up, the more signals you get.
                                         
    
                                        And then you're ready and it becomes understanding that the vagina wants very different types of sensation
                                         
                                        than the penis, different strokes, different sensations, different tempos and rhythms.
                                         
                                        And last piece, I'll add in, and I can deep dive into techniques, and I can deep dive into
                                         
                                        dirty talk, which really it's not dirty talk, it's encouragement.
                                         
                                        We need encouragement, verbal.
                                         
                                        We need a lot of that adoration, encouragement, appreciation, to get there.
                                         
                                        And so I would say that if they both had the.
                                         
                                        those tools and they could have a few stroke techniques. He could know a few things to say to her
                                         
    
                                        and they slowed down and took their time and did some yoni massage and some, you know, penis stroking
                                         
                                        and some vulva pleasuring and some sexy kissing and some booby play. She would start coming so
                                         
                                        easily. So I have no worry at all that what this gentleman here is this, this segment that
                                         
                                        you're doing with me, he's going to be like, yahoo! She's coming and she's coming and she's coming and she's coming.
                                         
                                        around the mountain. Wow, Susan, that is just so much to unpack. You just unpack the entire
                                         
                                        conundrum that we have around understanding sex, whatever kind of body we're in. So first,
                                         
                                        you're speaking to the whole misunderstanding that we have around sex, so that it's just about
                                         
                                        procreation. How do we redefine it? You said nipogasm, analgasm, I hope you guys are taking
                                         
    
                                        notes because those are all the different ways that we can orgasm that don't have anything
                                         
                                        to do with penetration. To go back to our friend Tom here, we hear this a lot. It's
                                         
                                        really, really common. We don't understand the arousal runway. We don't really understand
                                         
                                        what it's going to take to get her aroused because men, they see their partner. They get
                                         
                                        turned on. It's the way they get aroused. It's external. We see their penis. And then
                                         
                                        we're a Volvo owner going, well, I'm not ready yet. What's wrong with me? I'm broken.
                                         
                                        And then we know the second we get into our head and we're worrying what's wrong with us,
                                         
                                        there's going to be no orgasms happening. You do have techniques. You're making almost like this
                                         
    
                                        guarantee, which I don't often make guarantees. But the way you're saying is that anybody can
                                         
                                        learned to orgasm during intercourse, and evolve owner.
                                         
                                        And you have very specific techniques, everyone, because I know that you got into this because
                                         
                                        you were like, I'm not having an orgasm during intercourse.
                                         
                                        You remember my story.
                                         
                                        That was your jam.
                                         
                                        Yes, of course.
                                         
                                        Yeah, let's talk about that.
                                         
    
                                        So in knowing this and knowing that they're in a good place, let's just say they don't have
                                         
                                        the shame, they know the trauma, they just really need to understand Tom and his partner
                                         
                                        are like, what can they do to have more pleasure during penetration?
                                         
                                        Because at the end of the day, that's where they're going to go, right?
                                         
                                        Even they could have all these other orgasms, where do they start?
                                         
                                        What could they learn here? What could you teach them here that they don't might have thought about when it comes to penetration? Yeah. And arousal. Sure. So I think I think it's really helpful to first of all just have a tiny little conversation, just a quickie about the vagina itself. Let's do it. Because now you've gotten the concept that we have as much erectile tissue as our male body partners and it needs time to get fully engorge. The blood has to flow down to the pelvic bowl. It has to seep through the vaginal walls for lubrication. When women tell me they have lubrication issues, I,
                                         
                                        I think a lot of times it's just that they're rushing.
                                         
                                        Not that I don't love lubricants.
                                         
    
                                        And I think you and I are really proponents of using excellent quality lubricants
                                         
                                        because you wouldn't put anything in your vagina that you wouldn't put in your mouth.
                                         
                                        And so I really like those excellent products.
                                         
                                        So that's important.
                                         
                                        But imagine a balloon that you're going to blow up and make a water balloon with,
                                         
                                        one of those kind of little round ones with the neck and the little rubbery end.
                                         
                                        That's what a vagina looks like.
                                         
                                        It has a little dimple in at the top, a little depression in, where the cervix comes down
                                         
    
                                        into the vaginal balloon, I like to call it, or cave.
                                         
                                        I don't call it a canal because when I think of a canal, I think of it like a straight line.
                                         
                                        And I think there are a lot of people who think that a vagina is like an inside out penis,
                                         
                                        and it's not at all.
                                         
                                        And so that friction that we see portrayed in pornography so commonly, we're going to just
                                         
                                        ponder into oblivion, you know?
                                         
                                        Now, don't get me wrong.
                                         
                                        I love a good pounding, but not till I've had intercourse for a couple of days, and I'm very,
                                         
    
                                        very plump and engorged and warmed up and all that tissue is spongy.
                                         
                                        So the entrance to the vagina is that little round sphincter muscle, and it does not like things
                                         
                                        forced into it.
                                         
                                        It likes to be coaxed and pleasured open like you're playing with it as it's almost like a little
                                         
                                        eye or a little portal that wants circular motions and soft touch so that it relaxes open.
                                         
                                        And the neck of the vagina, it really has a lot of mechanoreceptors that love that
                                         
                                        feeling of fullness. But especially as you age, now I'm 62, having the best sex of my life
                                         
                                        with the most luscious, beautiful vulva I've ever had, more beautiful and engorged and delicious.
                                         
    
                                        and orgasmic than when I was in my 20s and 30s.
                                         
                                        And that's because I do a lot of sexual biohacking and I really take care of preventing
                                         
                                        atrophy or reversing atrophy as I age because I want that sex band so I can live longer
                                         
                                        and look 10 years younger than all my peers, which is what having good intimacy shows, so have
                                         
                                        you. Good intimacy shows you that you can look younger than your peers because you're getting
                                         
                                        all the benefits of really great intimacy. And I didn't say sex because I'm
                                         
                                        I don't want people to go, I have to have intercourse three times a week, because I'm still
                                         
                                        not convinced Susan Bratton's right that I can have an orgasm.
                                         
    
                                        I'm not going to tell my husband, he can have sex three times a week.
                                         
                                        I would give up being younger not to have to have that, you know?
                                         
                                        We're still there with people.
                                         
                                        They don't believe us yet, them.
                                         
                                        No, we are, Susan.
                                         
                                        Now how many times do you have women, if I never had sex again, I'd be okay, right?
                                         
                                        Now we're telling him three times a week, right?
                                         
                                        So, yeah, keep going.
                                         
    
                                        So the entrance doesn't like as much friction all the time.
                                         
                                        And one of the techniques that I'm going to share is something called thrust in time.
                                         
                                        which I really like because it's not all that in and out pumping.
                                         
                                        So then when you think about that balloon, when the vagina gets aroused and that blood flow
                                         
                                        comes, the cervix and uterus pull up and the vagina tense.
                                         
                                        It's like you blew up the balloon.
                                         
                                        And when you are thinking about pleasuring, think about massage.
                                         
                                        Massage, if I gave you an upper neck and back and shoulder massage right now, Emily,
                                         
    
                                        If I sat you down in front of me and I put your hair up in your little bun, your beautiful hair, it looks so pretty today.
                                         
                                        And I got my beautiful massage oil out and I started working on your back and neck.
                                         
                                        I'm not going to rub the skin.
                                         
                                        You'd be like, Susan Bratton's the worst massager in the world.
                                         
                                        What I'd be doing is I'd be going below the skin to that tissue below the skin.
                                         
                                        Well, the vagina wants the same thing because there's our urethral sponge at the top, which people call a G-spot, but it's not a spot.
                                         
                                        It's a long tube. It's one of our two of our three erectile tissue structures. It's got the
                                         
                                        perineal sponge on the bottom of the vagina. That's our third structure. We've got our
                                         
    
                                        pudendal nerves that's in pleasure throughout our body. They're like pleasure
                                         
                                        escalators. And all around, the cervix loves to slowly be disarmored, unarmored, and
                                         
                                        released into its pleasure. It wants to be petted like a little kitty. And deep past,
                                         
                                        the cervix into the deep space of our womb, we like to have our lover be there and meet
                                         
                                        our, meet our womb, our body, our shushumna, our sacral chakra, our base note, the seat of our
                                         
                                        power. And so what's so lovely about all of that is that for women who are like, boy, that just
                                         
                                        all sounds overwhelming, it's because it's never been touched. If you have a place,
                                         
                                        anywhere because one of the things I love to teach is orgasmic activation, which is that maybe
                                         
    
                                        your clitoris is sensitive and you can give yourself an orgasm or maybe the, you know, the little
                                         
                                        part of your vagina is, it feels good and you can get an orgasm. But if you can't like stroke your
                                         
                                        little labia or massage and need your outer labia or run your fingers along the mons and orgasm
                                         
                                        from that, you can activate all the tissue on the outside the vulva and the inside of the vulva and the
                                         
                                        inside the vagina to be a hundred percent orgasmic. Are you all taking notes? Stay right where you are
                                         
                                        because after a quick break from our sponsors, Susan helps me answer another lucky listeners question.
                                         
                                        You know when I started this podcast, I had no idea how many hats I'd have to wear. It was exciting,
                                         
                                        but also overwhelming. I wasn't just the host. I was the producer, the schedule, the tech person,
                                         
    
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                                        We've all these nerve endings and all these pleasure spots inside of us externally
                                         
                                        and we really don't explore them.
                                         
                                        We don't think about it.
                                         
                                        If most of your experience has been, the penis goes right inside of you and that's it,
                                         
    
                                        you're missing where all the magic is happening.
                                         
                                        But we're talking with like, yeah, like cross training.
                                         
                                        We're warming up all these areas, all these nerve endings, playing with them.
                                         
                                        You know, and there are areas we haven't touched, right?
                                         
                                        So we're talking about awakening and giving, you know, ourselves's permission and our partner's
                                         
                                        permission to really explore in different ways.
                                         
                                        Yeah, exactly.
                                         
                                        I know.
                                         
    
                                        There's a lot to it.
                                         
                                        We don't even know what's possible.
                                         
                                        I think it's all interesting, don't you?
                                         
                                        Oh, I love it, Susan.
                                         
                                        Yeah.
                                         
                                        My God, yes.
                                         
                                        I remember when we first met, I think it was like doing orgasmic meditation, you know, almost 20 years
                                         
                                        ago learning that like there's all these areas that we have to awaken and it's very, very
                                         
    
                                        exciting that we have so many nerve endings. But again, what we are told about sex and how we define
                                         
                                        sex isn't necessarily going to be the thing that's going to get us to all these areas. I really am
                                         
                                        enjoying how you're unpacking. It's a lot, though. And I'm going to go through in rapid fire a bunch
                                         
                                        of techniques. Because I think then people are like, okay, you've laid the foundation now.
                                         
                                        Give it to me. They want that. I love this foundation. Let's give the techniques. And then we can
                                         
                                        go into the orgasmic cross training. But I want to go back to maybe we can stick with Tom and
                                         
                                        because he's on the edge of his seat now. He's dying and know, like, okay, what do I do?
                                         
                                        You say she's going to orgasm, I'm in.
                                         
    
                                        Susan, tell me, what do we do that we're not doing?
                                         
                                        So I'll go through them quickly because if you go to orgasmic intercourse.com,
                                         
                                        there are links to all of the different techniques that I'm going to talk about.
                                         
                                        So really what I want to do right now is just give you like this range of ideas of what could be done.
                                         
                                        It's not the old in and out.
                                         
                                        Thank you, Susan.
                                         
                                        Thank you.
                                         
                                        The very first one that I really like,
                                         
    
                                        is something called the heart tongue technique.
                                         
                                        And this is something I teach male body partners.
                                         
                                        And that is stop thinking about your penis like a piston
                                         
                                        and start thinking about it,
                                         
                                        start connecting it to your heart
                                         
                                        so that when you're inside your woman,
                                         
                                        you're actually sending your love out through your penis
                                         
                                        and into her body.
                                         
    
                                        But that instead of it being your penis, it's a tongue.
                                         
                                        So what I want you to do is I want you to lick the inside of the cave
                                         
                                        all over with the tip of your tongue.
                                         
                                        The next one that I really like is something that I call Glissondo.
                                         
                                        And Glissondo works really well in doggy style, particularly because you can get a good grip,
                                         
                                        though it works well in Cowgirl, too.
                                         
                                        And that's a woman on top and in this case facing your partner.
                                         
                                        So kind of like she's on top up above you, missionary style, if you would.
                                         
    
                                        So Glacondo is this notion that for a lot of penis owners, they are doing the movement.
                                         
                                        and we're either trying to meet them or we're lying there and receiving it.
                                         
                                        And glasando is the idea that when she's on her hands and knees and you're behind her,
                                         
                                        instead of you thrusting into her, you pull her onto you and you use some nice rhythms and
                                         
                                        rocking motions.
                                         
                                        The nervous system loves rocking and it's very calming.
                                         
                                        And the notion of this glisando, what I want you to think about is glisando.
                                         
                                        comes from harp music. It trills. It goes up and it goes down. It goes up and it goes down.
                                         
    
                                        And it slides. It's really slippery and fluid. And for a lot of men, they're very stiff in their
                                         
                                        hips. And so the glasando, they can actually do if they got tight soaz or what have you.
                                         
                                        They don't know how to do the hip drop yet. But that's a thing you want to do. And the way you
                                         
                                        learn it is cat, cow. You get down on your hands and knees. And you love the cat.
                                         
                                        You drop your belly down and then you suck your belly up and you drop your belly.
                                         
                                        That'll get that movement in your pelvic bowl and it will calm down your urge to ejaculate
                                         
                                        because it relaxes everything.
                                         
                                        So it's a double benefit for guys to learn it.
                                         
    
                                        Love it.
                                         
                                        So Glaconda is really good because you're moving her body on you.
                                         
                                        And that's very masculine because you're moving her body.
                                         
                                        When you move her body, you move her emotions.
                                         
                                        It's exciting for her.
                                         
                                        What I was picturing when you were saying that is, you know, they're actually picturing them like sending the love and sending the energy in when they're having sex.
                                         
                                        Like, which is another great image for them to think about if it's the four corners and where they're going, sending that into their partner.
                                         
                                        Because, you know, people get so distracted during sex and they're worried.
                                         
    
                                        But if you're actually thinking about what am I channeling, where is this piston going, I think that could really kind of help with this connection to.
                                         
                                        It softens everything.
                                         
                                        It really does.
                                         
                                        heart. It softens your stroke and it floors the cave. No, it actually will make you harder because
                                         
                                        you're feeling the love. And that's a turn on. The other things that are fun are something that I call
                                         
                                        the thrust in time technique. And this is probably, I have to say, Emily, if there's one technique that
                                         
                                        I give away where I get the most exclamation points behind the thank yous, it's thrust in time.
                                         
                                        And trust in time is an ancient Taoist practice that I brought into the 21st century for couples.
                                         
    
                                        And it's basically a 10 count.
                                         
                                        So it really helps guys actually slow down and not come too fast, which is one in four men feel like they have quote unquote premature ejaculation.
                                         
                                        So, and that's a whole different shows.
                                         
                                        I got a million things to say about that.
                                         
                                        But the thrust in time, you start out with the notion that there are short.
                                         
                                        shallow, slow strokes. And there are long, deep strokes, slow deep strokes. And you start out with
                                         
                                        nine slow, shallow strokes. You're feeling every molecule of her vagina on your penis so deliciously.
                                         
                                        You're not shooting in and coming out. You're just feeling. And that gives her that the neck of
                                         
    
                                        that balloon, loves that mechanoreceptor pressure.
                                         
                                        And so it's not friction.
                                         
                                        It's more like I really feel like I've got a nice penis in me.
                                         
                                        But it's not like, ah, cough and is pounding or too much stroking.
                                         
                                        And then the long stroke, the tenth stroke is deep, slow.
                                         
                                        And then it's eight short and too long.
                                         
                                        and then seven short and three long and you can pick up the tempo a little if you want to if she wants
                                         
                                        you to and by four and five or five and four she's going to have an orgasm because you're toggling
                                         
    
                                        the nervous system you've slowed down you're feeling every stroke it's not overwhelming her
                                         
                                        she can fall into the rhythm and when you do the short strokes and then you give her the long stroke
                                         
                                        but then she doesn't get more.
                                         
                                        She reaches, you know about that from expanded orgasm,
                                         
                                        or you call it orgasmic meditation,
                                         
                                        which, by the way, I still have that practice for 20 years with Tim now.
                                         
                                        Three or four times a week we do it.
                                         
                                        So that makes her reach for it,
                                         
    
                                        which makes her get to climax faster,
                                         
                                        which is what all guys want.
                                         
                                        How do I make her come faster?
                                         
                                        And it's like, just let that go.
                                         
                                        She will when you do these things.
                                         
                                        So I like that thrust in time technique.
                                         
                                        And then I also think that for women, there are a couple of really, really nice ideas here that some women may know and others may not have come to this.
                                         
                                        But one of them is that you can give yourself a better orgasm or series of orgasms on his penis when you do what you want with it inside yourself.
                                         
    
                                        And at first, you won't know what it is and you'll thrash around a little bit and you'll learn how to, you'll get that, you know,
                                         
                                        the mind connection to your vulva and you'll start to feel that. But practice makes perfect
                                         
                                        on Cowgirl when you're on top, especially when he's pleasuring your breasts, which by the way
                                         
                                        are also activated by touch. So if you're like, I don't know, my boobs not so much, that's just
                                         
                                        right now. Try it. Learn it. Feel it. Make the connections, the mind-body connections,
                                         
                                        open to your pleasure.
                                         
                                        And when he's looking in your eyes...
                                         
                                        Yeah, just to clarify that, we're saying that if we think, oh, my nipples aren't sensitive
                                         
    
                                        or it doesn't feel good or I can't come during penetration, what we're saying is expand
                                         
                                        your mind right now.
                                         
                                        Expand what's possible for you.
                                         
                                        It might start to feel good, right, with the right lover or the right partner and you being
                                         
                                        giving permission and allowing yourself to explore something new.
                                         
                                        Like, forget everything you knew about your body, right?
                                         
                                        Start over.
                                         
                                        Start again.
                                         
    
                                        Yes.
                                         
                                        Thank you.
                                         
                                        I like this concept where you're on top of him.
                                         
                                        he's pleasuring your breasts, he's looking in your eyes, and he's telling you what he loves
                                         
                                        about you, how sexy you are, how beautiful you are, he's encouraging you, he's telling you it's
                                         
                                        feeling great to him. That we need sex is sensual. Sensual means senses. You have to use your
                                         
                                        eyes, your ears, your touch, your taste, your smell, where your body is in space. That's the sixth sense,
                                         
                                        your pro preception. And so the whole idea of you being in control, practice that, you will start
                                         
    
                                        having orgasms. But then if you're strong and you're taking good care of your body, you can actually
                                         
                                        get up on your feet instead of on your knees. You can get on your feet. That's what I call my squatting
                                         
                                        tiger bouncing lion. If he holds your hands and you're kind of up on your haunches and you're
                                         
                                        sliding back and forth on your penis to your cowgirl pleasure, it feels really good because
                                         
                                        then you're in more of that glasando experience. You can do the shorts and the longs and you can
                                         
                                        slide. And that's really nice when you're in control as the vulva owner, as the vagina owner.
                                         
                                        One more thing I want to say about the vulva or the vagina is that it's nice to do the closing down
                                         
                                        and the tightening up. But it's also nice to, like a glistando, completely open and push out,
                                         
    
                                        similar to what you need to do when you're trying to have female ejaculatory pleasure.
                                         
                                        When you open and you think about your vagina and your vulva like a lotus blossom,
                                         
                                        and you're unfurling the petals as you get more and more turned on. And when you open your vagina
                                         
                                        it when it's fully engorged, it is the most velvety, pleasurable sensation.
                                         
                                        Once you've gotten all that tissue activated, a lot of women never even think about pushing out.
                                         
                                        They just hold in.
                                         
                                        And so that's a really good, like, sex hack, you know?
                                         
                                        Well, let's talk about pushing out.
                                         
    
                                        It's like you're talking about like the bearing down, pushing out, doing a keggle kind of thing.
                                         
                                        Like, explain that more so what you mean.
                                         
                                        I'm talking about how your yoni is a flower.
                                         
                                        and how there's your outer labia and your inner labia and that controidal sphincter and inside there
                                         
                                        right at the entrance is the g area and the perineal sponge and the g area actually as it gets
                                         
                                        engorged it kind of opens and blossoms and presents out of the vagina and when that all opens
                                         
                                        then you can get all that tissue just beautifully stimulated relaxed and you're opening to your
                                         
                                        partner, and they'll feel it. Susan, let's get it to squirting because you mentioned squirting,
                                         
    
                                        and I knew that with you, we are on the show, we had to cover one of the topics that is
                                         
                                        asked so often, but also really, there's so much misinformation about it, there's confusion
                                         
                                        about it. There's a lot of desire for it. So let's just talk about this. And I think we can
                                         
                                        start with Catherine. She's 25 in Washington, D.C. Hey, Dr. Emily, I love your show. So my boyfriend,
                                         
                                        I've been together for four years, and I do not think that I've had one orgasm from him.
                                         
                                        Orally with fingers or penetrative, and it's something he strides for. He's made me squirp before,
                                         
                                        I don't feel anything except the release of liquid.
                                         
                                        So tell me if I'm wrong, but I feel like they should be different.
                                         
    
                                        Because of this, I've started trying masturbation first with my fingers and then a mini vibrator.
                                         
                                        The vibrator gives me a feeling that spreads out from my stomach through my hips and dies in my legs.
                                         
                                        Is this my orgasm?
                                         
                                        Do you ejaculate every time with an orgasm?
                                         
                                        Help me.
                                         
                                        I think first to say that she's not true to his orgasm with him.
                                         
                                        Now, I'm not sure if she's ever had an orgasm.
                                         
                                        And then she's got questions about squirreting and liquid.
                                         
    
                                        And first off, I think you've probably noticed this as well, is that.
                                         
                                        people weren't really talking about squirting as much 20 years ago.
                                         
                                        But then since porn was available like in our pocket and people are talking about it,
                                         
                                        a lot of people think it's very aspirational.
                                         
                                        There's a lot of both owners who are being pressured, I think, by their partners to have it
                                         
                                        because it seems like it's the holy grail of sex.
                                         
                                        And I just want to say that, yes, we can all learn it.
                                         
                                        But also that women can release fluid and squirt without having an orgasm.
                                         
    
                                        You can orgasm and not squirt.
                                         
                                        We should probably talk about here.
                                         
                                        Like you can get into squirting, but she's also warning if she's had an orgasm.
                                         
                                        So, you know, we kind of covered a lot about orgasm.
                                         
                                        but how can we help Catherine here understand her orgasms and squirting?
                                         
                                        Yeah, well, she's on the right track.
                                         
                                        Good job, Catherine.
                                         
                                        You've gotten yourself a fingers and a mini vibrator, and I think that is fabulous.
                                         
    
                                        There's a couple of things.
                                         
                                        Keep at it.
                                         
                                        I'm not sure that the mini vibrator is going to be enough for you.
                                         
                                        I have a feeling there's some what we call armoring, which is that you've been frustrated
                                         
                                        and you're not feeling like you're making enough progress.
                                         
                                        and maybe you're not feeling the sensations. And so you might need a more powerful tool to get you
                                         
                                        started. What I find is for women who are struggling to achieve orgasm, she really needs to get
                                         
                                        a lot of deep, rumbly sensation into all of that tissue. I'd like her to self-pleasure first just
                                         
    
                                        by giving herself a yoni massage with some really nice sex oil. I'd like her to rub her whole vulva.
                                         
                                        I'd love her to rub across her mons because that's the gateway, actually, to female ejaculation.
                                         
                                        I don't like the word squirting. It's a porn term. Female ejaculation, releasing your feminine waters,
                                         
                                        your amrita, your divine nectar. These are more kind words for us to understand that this is a very, very cleansing.
                                         
                                        grounding, beautiful experience for a woman. So this whole notion that you see on porn
                                         
                                        of, you know, these guys putting the hammer down on the G area so that it just ejaculates
                                         
                                        some liquid. That's not pleasure. That's just a party trick. So, you know, Touloula Sulees,
                                         
                                        whom I know you also know and I have been teaching people the beautiful experience of G-Spot
                                         
    
                                        awakening and female ejaculation for God, 15 years together now. She's a beautiful somatic sexologist.
                                         
                                        It's just all about getting everything moving and you literally want to get your vulva, the outside,
                                         
                                        the mons, across the top, like basically where your pubic hair is. Rub that till it's like
                                         
                                        yellow, like gelatin under there. Get it liquidy. And stroke the top of your clitoris, the shaft,
                                         
                                        which is actually underneath the hood.
                                         
                                        And don't just go straight for the glands of the clitoris.
                                         
                                        Just activate all of that area and inside the vaginal sphincter,
                                         
                                        that soft rosebud, touch that.
                                         
    
                                        Touch the rosebud around where your pee-pies comes out,
                                         
                                        your urethral exit between the labia.
                                         
                                        Put your fingers inside and gently stroke yourself with lots of oil.
                                         
                                        Pleasure your nipples and breasts.
                                         
                                        Make the space in your house nice. Put a fresh towel under you. Get the lobes that you love. Put the music on. Get nice
                                         
                                        lighting. Honor and cherish yourself to your own awakening. Have your lover. Give you yoni massages and do exactly
                                         
                                        those same things. On betterlover.com, which is kind of my hub, there is a whole series of yoni
                                         
                                        massage videos where I tell you all kinds of things you guys can do. You can do to yourself. You can have
                                         
    
                                        your partner do you. And I would recommend that you just really slow down and allow your body to
                                         
                                        just kind of like let go of that fear that's holding you back and that almost that wounding and numbness
                                         
                                        that you're feeling. When things haven't been lovingly pleasureed, when you're nervous, it feels
                                         
                                        dead and numb and distant. What you've got to do is bring your heart connection to your pleasure and
                                         
                                        let your yoni talk to you when you allow yourself to listen to her and she starts talking to you
                                         
                                        your yoni your vulva and vagina when you let yoni speak to you and you hear her she'll tell you
                                         
                                        she will guide you as to where the pleasure is where the sensitivity is where the fear is you just
                                         
                                        have to let that go i remember when tim was my my husband sir tim 30 years as m said when we were first
                                         
    
                                        finding my orgasm, and he was stroking my G-spot. One of the sounds I made was like a train
                                         
                                        went through the room, and then you cry, you're going to cry, and all that is is just letting
                                         
                                        go of all this religious repression, all this misinformation, all this shame, not having names
                                         
                                        for our parts, not understanding how they like to be touched, feeling like we're not enough,
                                         
                                        feeling we're alone, you will let that go. I'm giving myself goosebumps for you, Catherine. I know
                                         
                                        you are on the precipice of incredible pleasure that's going to get better your whole life.
                                         
                                        Just start with that stuff and then just keep learning. You can do it, my girl. You can do it.
                                         
                                        Susan, thank you so much for all of that. I mean, I feel like women just need to connect with them.
                                         
    
                                        There's so much power and soul and depth and connection and ancestral trauma that lives in our
                                         
                                        bodies, in our vulva. And when we start to your vagina, and when we start to masturbate solo
                                         
                                        play solo sex. I mean, this is more of like the depth and embodiment of it to really get in there,
                                         
                                        massage, get to know your own body, bring your partner into it, and then we'll get to everything
                                         
                                        else. But since she's new and it looks like she hasn't maybe had an orgasm before,
                                         
                                        getting to really know herself on this deep level could be just what she needs before she gets
                                         
                                        to the squirting, right? It's like we're all trying to, you know, like if we're playing a game,
                                         
                                        we don't even have the cards dealt yet. People are already at the end of it. It's like, no,
                                         
    
                                        we got to start with the roots, the foundation here. What are all the pieces?
                                         
                                        before we even start. So we're kind of helping her understand. Catherine, we want you to get to know your
                                         
                                        body and bring your partner into this as well. There's one more little tip too that I was thinking about
                                         
                                        and that it's super simple and powerful. It's one of those little hacky hacks. It's, I call it the
                                         
                                        lips, nips, clit axis. And that is that when you play with your boobs and nipples and you have a
                                         
                                        hot makeout and you play with your yoni, there's two ways you get this.
                                         
                                        engorgement that we've been talking about on the show, which is ground zero for your absolute
                                         
                                        pleasure, is getting enough time to get the blood flow into your genitals. And when you kiss,
                                         
    
                                        it activates your yoni. And it starts the arousal process. When you play with your breasts and
                                         
                                        nipples, it activates the yoni. And it starts all the blood filling into the tissue. It's an
                                         
                                        averted erection. Thank you for laying this all out for us. So we really need to just slow down
                                         
                                        and understand that we're not broken because we are not going from zero to 60, that it's actually
                                         
                                        the way our equipment works. We have to learn this information. This is imperative for us to be
                                         
                                        great lovers to ourselves and our partners. You're not broken that you can't just warm up.
                                         
                                        You have to learn to like awaken all the tissues. I think that's the theme today.
                                         
                                        Taking everything at all the, we're so lucky, right, to to have vulvas, vaginas, to have this
                                         
    
                                        body. No one ever taught us how to operate this machinery.
                                         
                                        we're walking around with these incredible, you know, vessels and machinery on us that we have to
                                         
                                        understand how to like tune it up, turn it on, right? I always think about like growing up
                                         
                                        at Michigan, right, where we used to have to be like, we just wanted to start of the gas,
                                         
                                        when it was like snowing outside and you couldn't wait for it to warm up. Like, think about
                                         
                                        that. Like you couldn't get in the car and drive. So think about your whole body has to be
                                         
                                        warm up. It's imperative. It's crucial to know this to understand this process.
                                         
                                        Susan, thank you so much for all of this information, all these details. Like, it's
                                         
    
                                        so helpful to kind of reset and for people to reclaim and understand that the really that's,
                                         
                                        the power is in their hands, that they can start where they are today, understand their bodies
                                         
                                        or nerve endings. I want to ask you the five quickie questions we ask all of our guests.
                                         
                                        Okay, but I don't like quickie.
                                         
                                        Ready.
                                         
                                        I won't even have a quickie with me because he's like, it takes you 30 minutes to get
                                         
                                        turned on. I'm not having a quickie or you'll just, you'll get a chip on her shoulder.
                                         
                                        She'll get a hold grudge against me.
                                         
    
                                        We're all about the slow, long pleasure. But all right, I'll do quickies with you, M.
                                         
                                        Thank you, Susan. Okay. What is your biggest turn on?
                                         
                                        Depends on the day, man. I mean, whatever is the latest thing that's turning me on.
                                         
                                        Lately, it's been anal sex. I have a boyfriend who is like the ass man. I've always said
                                         
                                        if there's something about sex you don't like, it's just that you haven't had enough time to do it.
                                         
                                        It hasn't been done well to you. You haven't had the right part.
                                         
                                        partner for it. But I have this new boyfriend and he really knows what he's doing. And it's just
                                         
                                        such a deep and exquisite pleasure. It's like, I love it so much. So that's what's currently
                                         
    
                                        turning me on. I love it, Susan. Okay, biggest turn off. Grab her by the pussy. I'm with you.
                                         
                                        What makes good sex? Communication and education. Something you would tell your younger self about
                                         
                                        sex and relationships. They keep getting better your whole life long if you put your attention on them
                                         
                                        and keep having erotic play dates to learn new things. What's the number one thing you wish everyone
                                         
                                        knew about sex? That it takes women 20 to 30 minutes for their tissue to get as full and rich
                                         
                                        of blood as their male body partners and everybody needs to slow down. I love it. Thank you so much,
                                         
                                        where can everyone find you in all of your wonderful materials and information and books and
                                         
                                        everything. Betterlover.com's a great place to just kind of get on my email newsletter,
                                         
    
                                        look at all my videos, et cetera. And then you can always slide into my DMs on Instagram as well.
                                         
                                        And if you want to ask me any questions and you're on my newsletter, if you would just reply
                                         
                                        to anything I send you, I personally get it and I will answer you.
                                         
                                        Susan, that's amazing. Thank you so much for being here. I so appreciate you, friend. Thank you.
                                         
                                        It's been such a pleasure. Yay, mine too. Thank you so much. Love you bunches.
                                         
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