Sexe Oral - DARK WEB & I.A. : Comment protéger nos enfants?

Episode Date: September 25, 2025

Les propos exprimés dans ce podcast relèvent d’expériences et d’opinions personnelles dans un but de divertissement et ne substituent pas les conseils d’un.e sexologue ou autre professionnel de la santé. Dans cet épisode, René Morin du Centre canadien de protection de l’enfance nous éclaire sur les réalités du dark web, les mythes entourant la pornographie juvénile en ligne, et les technologies développées pour contrer ces crimes. Au menu : - Qu’est-ce que le dark web réellement et comment on y accède - Les méthodes d’exploitation d’images et de communautés illégales en ligne - Le rôle du Projet Arachnid pour détecter et supprimer du contenu pédopornographique - Les impacts psychologiques sur les victimes et survivants - Les solutions légales et technologiques pour mieux protéger les enfants  Note aux auditeurs : Le porte-parole du Centre canadien de protection de l'enfance (CCPE), René Morin, mentionne à 16:01.00 que l’opérateur français Free était le plus gros hébergeur de pornographie juvénile au monde, d'après une analyse antérieure réalisée par le CCPE. Par souci de clarté et d'exactitude pour les auditeurs, nous tenons à préciser que cette déclaration repose sur une analyse interne réalisée en 2021 à partir de données recueillies strictement dans le cadre de l'exploitation de Projet Arachnid par le CCPE. Pour plus de détails, consulter le rapport du CCPE intitulé « Projet Arachnid : L’accessibilité des images d’abus pédosexuels sur Internet », paru en 2021. Ce rapport est disponible sur le site ProtegeonsNosEnfants.ca  Ressources: www.cyberaide.ca – La centrale canadienne de signalement des cas d'exploitation sexuelle d'enfants sur Internet www.ParentsCyberAvertis.ca – Site pour les parents de jeunes internautes. Comment protéger ses enfants sur Internet, par groupe d'âge. www.AidezMoiSVP.ca – Du soutien pour les ados en cas de distribution non consensuelle d'une image intime, sextorsion, etc. www.ProtegeonsNosEnfants.ca – Le site principale du Centre canadien de protection de l'enfance ----------------------- Le podcast est présenté par Éros et Compagnie Utiliser le code promo : SEXEORAL pour 15% de rabais sur erosetcompagnie.com Les jouets dont les filles parlent: https://www.erosetcompagnie.com/page/podcast  Pour collaborations : [e-mail] Pour toutes questions : [e-mail] Pour suivre les filles sur Patreon : patreon.com/sexeoralpodcast Pour contacter les filles directement : instagram.com/sexeoral.podcast 

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your role, your work? First, thank you to the invitation. I'm really content to be excited with you others. It's a lot of we're going to be

a lot of discussion, and we'll make up of the subject, it's sure. My, my role, I'm occupied

for the Center Canadian of Protection of the Enfance. It's an organization that's created, in fact,

we've had our 40th anniversary this year. Congratulations. Thank. It's. It's had started at the

base as an organism of research of infant, a bit like So my son-retour, it has been to Quebec. And then quietly, when Internet was more and more

made in cause in these cases of disappearance of children, there's this volet that that is going to be greffed to our activities. And then we've made quite quite that we had been a lot of Canada

to have, as it existed already in other countries, a central of signalment for receive these signalments of the grand public of cases of

sexual sexual of children. We can talk of pornography juvenile, it's not it's not about it

about the hour informatic of exploitation of the prostitution of sex extortion etc.

So this central that was made in place in 2002 it's called cybera

and c and I tell you that that in manner general we can

receive to 2 to 3,000 sometimes 4,000 signalments by month

and that are people, we're just of Canada, here, there are people who are people who communicate

with us, so because they have had had knowledge of activity illegal on internet with

the children, and who pass by us just to relayed these information, those authorities policeire

who are going to make inquetet. Wow. Between 2000 and three thousand. Ah,

it can come up sometimes just at four million in the gross months,

and that we're talking from the public, but we It will be around also. We have

made in place a technology that's called Project Arachnid. I don't matter on the suit all right because we'll

have the occasion in mass to talk about but Arachnid what it's a robot of exploration that we have developed and

that's across internet at the research of material pedo-pornographic. So, we're more in these

signalments rather than to attend that the public do you face the signalments, we, we, we,

we're trying the for discover this material that before even

that's even that for just to get the suppression over those organizations that they

aberges because that's more on plus on internet, you know, you're

there's the content is generated by the users but you have the lot of

where we are not not too regarding on what the people and it's

like that you're with the material illegal of type pedopopornagraphy on

your service you have not a system of moderation in place, well, this material that can exist on your servers. It's a material illegal, and you know even not,

just as that someone will discover and you can't inform or face a signalment. And we, so we're in measure by these processes electronic, to discover

this material that at the endroarer where it's a place, to then ask them to beaverge, to be able to be because it's illegal and it's a part

attint to the dignity of the children who are on these images it's because for me for me what I'm

what I'm not something you can't you can't you can't gogling pornography juvenile and find

how these images so how I don't I don't know I'm not that how you think that

is necessarily is usually I'm I want to I want to talk about we want to we want

we want to talk about because for us it's a subject a flue

and it's like if it's like if it's like an idea a little bit I feel like to say a licorne like it's like in the case it's like it

doesn't know if it's not for real or how it's it's not how it's it's called dark web and you know it's not the same

it's not even it works well we're going to demolire a myth all right and I'll explain

and I'm it's like that but the most part of people can't imagine that the pornography

juvenile because it's illegal it will be to be only on the dark web. Well, there are on

on the dark web but the gross of the material, the vast majority of the content pedo-pornographic that you

will find out of internet, it's on the web visible, it's on the part of the web that is accessible

to all the world every day. And I think that before to get a little it's what

the dark web because, as you say in the head of people, it's a bit flu we know, we

know, we know that it's not very, very cathode what's that's happening but

we know but we're not sure how much it's maybe the way it's not

a bit like a kind of you know you know you know the web visible

is the part emerger it's the the site that all you use every year

it's all what you go through with Google it's the media social it's

Amazon with all what Amazon has to offer as product it's the commerce

electronic all So that, it's what we're called the web visible. Just in-dissue of that, in the surface, is what we call, in English, the deep web, or the web profound, the web cached, if you want. There are nothing illegal there, in a priori, but it's these bases of data of sites web.

By example, in the domain universitar, these sites web that's articulate around the base of data that will fornire the content to the demand. That's not indexed by the motor of research, it's kind of a great, great, gross,

part of the content of the intranet, the intranet, all the sites banker, your courier electronic,

all that's on the deep web. So it's not indexed by the motor of research, but it's

in the part can even visible of the web, if we, the part

grand public. And in the so, really, the more profound, it's there

that we're where we're the dark web, where the light so much more

it's the dark web and you can't access to the dark web with a navigator classic like Chrome or Edge or I don't know Firefox you can just

go with a navigator special that's called it's not complicated you can't you can't you can't on the dark web

but at the difference the web that all the world that you know if you see what you search on the web

visible but you can't not to find it, you want to Google, and Google will say

to do it and you go to do the dark web, there is nothing to do you

there are no repertoir, there's not a motor of research. You do know

where where you know, and it's there that intervened all the notion,

if you do, the community. During long time, all what all the all the

pedophility, to the exploitation of the children, it was something very, very, very clandestine. But now, with

Internet and with the Dark Web, the people who have this, I say, this deviation there are

form these communities who will be going to be on the Dark Web. Why? Because on the Dark Web,

all is shiffed. When you you're on internet, you go, on the media social, you go to

Amazon, on the right and at on the left, we can get to get to find if we need to get to find your

address IP, it will be able to arrive to get to be but on the dark web, all you're chiffed.

At the moment when you enter there into the activities are relayed to a relay to a other a little

everywhere in the world. That's what? It's means that it's impossible to remonted to get to

to come to the dark web. Exactly. And it's for that the people who who's

lives to live at these activities illegal, like the traffic of arms, the traffic

of drugs, the suar agage, the exploitation sexual of the children, it's the

endroar to be for the people who have to live at these activities,

because they can do to do have to have to be afraid to be to be

to be after the police finally because that all you're chifrey,

you can come to or in too very difficult

to the source and detect the address IP of these people of

I think they're I'm going to I'm going to like I'm using these words impuvantable it's just because I'm

just to look just at Patrick Senegal when you talk to that's like I'm at hell.com

in the it's a book for those who have referred but it's like a club

select that you know that you know I'm imagine a monsieur let's let's say

he's 70 year that he's not bad with the internet but that he's a pedophil,

and that I don't know that you don't know, but it's that I don't, because the access, you have to have some

it's a base in technology, it's not, it's not Mr. Madame, all the people,

who can't say, let's not a space that is as convivial that the web that

all people know, and that people use for the reasons that I'd talk to,

when you when you read on the dark web, you do know where

to go to know where you know where to find where you know what at the community,

at the contact the community that you do you do with the web traditional? Yeah, yeah,

and even on the media social, by example, there are groups of people who can be

people who can be there's a point of there's, and by there's a moment of

there, there's a moment of there, there's if it's that you see that you

search, go at at the place, you know, you're at the time, you know,

you know, you're enter there in, you will find out of some,

you will find out of individuals, the community people who the people will just exchange

of the information on who to find this, tell, tell, collection of

images. Or, by example, and that's really patetic what I say, but you're

there, there's some people who have been abused in base age, sometimes

there are 10 of years, and who are have become, while them,

or malgris, these espests of porn star of the of the, of the exploitation

of the men, the non-connue by the group of pedophil. Exactly. So,

so it's the people who had been and who had been in a moment or another in

situation of abuse that have abused sexually at 5 or 6 years

before or after after, it will say, but those images

have largely circuled on the And then, and then, sometimes

after the facts, obviously, their image continue to circulate on internet, but there are

people who are I'm wondering, what's the thing is and so they will be changed these information, oh,

yeah, she's quite she can't a university, or she's in a telequip or,

so it's on this kind of community that you will find these information

that. So, imagine, at how point the victims of

abu- pedosexual which those images circuls on the internet can't be in the

internet can't we have done in the publicion of the infancy of the office there's

there's we're doing there's people that we call also the survivors or the survivors,

people prefer to be able more than a victim we, we we understand because and so

we've made some questions we've made these inquiries of these survivors, the survivors,

for that we talk a little of their reality for that we're in we can

see how how to intervene over the government and the public for more they

help and then and then they're saying is that it's not complicated at the

moment where you know that you see pertinement that these images

of the poor times are in circulation on internet and are viewed

and revue of centen of the millions of the people they're not just they're

not just they don't know exactly they're saying they're for their their own their own

pleasure so you're like you're like they're like they're like that their masturbation in fact

every time that someone revoked you're caringly you are victimized and that

that's not the fun to live and it you're also in the situation where you

march in the car you're constantly fear to be to make to be

on the public by the children who would have been to watch your images on the internet.

So it has made a lot of victims, many of survivors to modify their appearance just to

be afraid of to be able to be able to get a agoraphob who they want to get to

get used to see them it, it gets perturbed your life social, your

life schooler, your life professional you, you're fear that your

employer or your future employer to recognize for having seen your images.

How can how they it's on the dark web the photos of dark web it rests on the dark web

so it's kind of a minimum part of the population I imagine. Thank you to pose the

question it's like we're that we're we're we're doing a dark web tantos

as a place where it's form of the community there's there's

change the information and all but the group material in reality

is on reality, it's How that can be there? Exactly. In fact, what's what is we discovered, we've discovered with

a technology that we've developed a year eight years. That's the same that you talked about. That's the project Arachnid, exactly. So, how it

it's actually? Well, I've talked to cyber aid. We're there for 25 years. We're there we're seeinglements, we receive

some material, our analysts treat the material, we make our base of data in common with the service Policier, the Surety of Quebec, Interpol, the GRC,

so we have a lot of this material that, which we prelive a little bit, the imprints numeric. All what he circuls on Internet, it's like a human that you will identify at its own digital, because she's unique to each human. Well, all image,

all fichier that circuls on Internet has a signature numeric, an imprint number, an imprinted that, an imprinting that. So, no, all the images that we pass between the minds, we prelive the imprints numeric,

to tell manner to our robots that we're our robots that search these signatures that and when they

they're doing, they're going to demand to the embergears to be able to say, oh my God, it's illegal, of course, I'm

all right, and there are other who are quite contested our demands or who are caringly

they're caringly and there a couple years, we had discovered, just, at the

technology that that the the more great embergear of pornography juvenile on the

world were on a server grand public in Paris in France and

this server that relevered an company that's a great operator of service

internet there and so we're on they're there there's

a lot that's a public in general but you have the pornography juvenile

on that's even not a priori a site of pornography. It's just a

site of abergement of fichier, open to anybody. You tripe on the tournose, you want to publish your photos of tournoseol, you can go to, open a count, it's gratuil, we don't want to identify, in any way, we'll tell you

an space of stockage illimited to put what you so there. There are a lot of people that used this space that at these fins, all legitimate, but for the consummater and distributors of pornography

juvenile, it's an where they'd have to be in front, because he could go to open a count. We don't not, you're who, we, we don't know to prove of identity, we'll give all the space that you want. So, what's that did? He'd start by go to the dark web, for,

just, camoufled their identity. And then, he debarked, incognito, on this server, to place their collection of pornography juvenile, zipped in a fission that could have 5, 6, 7 giga, we'll know how much. Esposotechal Illimited, we're talking to

several million of images by fichier. And by the suite, he returned on the dark web in their

community, their group of interest to say, hey, gang, if you want, my collection, she is at

this address, HTTP, machine, and here's the word of pass for it access to so.

So, it's like the the gross the material is re-tru on the web visible,

but the information to it accessed to be on the dark web. Now,

the example which you talk, the server at Paris, it's very interesting

because it makes to explain to how it's about the problem for just to get a

baton in the wheel to these gross actors, or caringly they're in this case,

we've had some the demand of suppression and repetion, and we have finished

by us ignorer carably, so we we're we're going to have made

that a other new who is property of the server that and we

see count that at the most high-level, it's a multi-millioner French, who possess, the journal

the world and an empire mediatic and all and all. So, we said, so we're going to go

the magazine Forbes, who is specialised in the life of people and we're saying to Forbes, hey,

we have a scoop for you other. And Forbes has mordue at the Amson, Forbes

has sorted the history and 48 hours, the site which I you have you talked, it had become

inaccessible of the exterior. So we've seen. It's a vote, wow, felicitation.

Yeah, that's been, it's a great, be a great, be a good, I'm not that's a

bad, it's bad, it's good, it for some that way. It's clear. But there there's

there's a manner to distribute the content. That's a good, I'm an other example,

where we have due proceed other way, there was a other site that's a sort of

forum, where there we were more specialized in the image pedo-pornographic of little people,

clientele very civiled, but can even 100,000 utiliters in the world entire, you see the

genre. And, obviously, we'd get the demands of suppression, obviously,

they knew they knewerate. So, there, what's what we've been, for that an site

exist on internet, there are there people who have to have to have a

space of abergement. I mean, there are there's there's there's there

so we're remounted on the cram. And we're going to see who they're

saying, well, you know, you have you have a client who men an activity

illegal and here what's what's what you see what that's maybe you

would be to make the key in the part of the client that particularly and

what's what it has made as situation is that this site it's made the door, effectively. He just demenage at

a year, he was over a year, and we've played like that on a show and a whole bit of time. And then,

they've changed strategy, and they said, ah, it's not complicated, we'll modify a little the images

that we're aberge. We'll just change a or two pixel of place for to expect that our

images will pass through their radar, you what, what they said, what, the technology

that we use we have not no need to correspondents exact for to find these images, we can have a

correspondence flue a so if you record a little the image or you change the pixel of place,

we're going to find and so we have reached after several months of effort

to have to have this service that also but it had to proceed out of

it. It's some examples of operations that we men for

put to look against the great players. But the tool

you have it could be very dangerous between a

moves man. Someone who is just it's it's it's

it's not a not that it's archie securized but to all the

this tool that even if someone had possession of the

base of data all there there's there there's the

code alfa numeric when I said all that we prelev

the the imprints numeric in the thing we use

an algorithm that will generate for each image a sequence of character 0, A, B,

6,7 X, Y, X, X, Y, Z so it has no, any value other than for the activities

that's not. Absolutely not. You can not reconstitue an image at part of its end up front

numeric, but you can know that the image corresponds to the end. I'm

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It's like, it's like, the children of people who are on the dark web, it's sure. You know, I'm a good to

know, where is who's who they're people? I'd say, D, all these responses. It's really that what we

see past. Evidament, when, there's, when there's a abuse sexual that is committed against a

there, there's almost always the image that's all the phone intelligent, when everyone has a camera on him, capable of, to bring

these images. So, when there's abu, he has taken an image. For real? Oh, yeah, almost, almost always, when someone abuse

of an infant, he's going to be proved? Presque, I can't know if I'm on the dark web, I'm doing? How we can't? Well, in fact,

this is a service that we're offering to victims in in some situations. We've made in place of the service of support, and certain victims

will be addressed to us, justly for us to help us to help to make

their images of in the issues that in the people who are many of the people are

that they they can, they can perhaps to pass on the fact that they've been

abused sexually at the infance but those on what they are

never capable to pass by this, it's the fact to know

that exist, that these images, that exist, that that circulule, and that can circulate

at the infinity. And in the font it's a bit for that that we've created project arachnid it's just by regard

for the victims for to make something for the victims to make sure there's an there's an there's an

idea to help the image to that. So we'll do it frequently you'll listen to

talk of sex extortion in the school by example the young the young the chum

is frustrated there's there are these images intimate of his ex copine He's going to be

these images in circulation. It's these stories that arrive all the time. You have heard that in the media in the petitions. We,

we can aid the victim, just at the moment where we have the images, we can pre-leve the imprints numeric,

and they've been in circulation. We go, in many of cases, we'll be in many cases, then make these works

for them to make the internet. It's part of the services that we can offer to any part of any part of

what we do for reducing globally, the offer of pornography juvenile on the internet. It's how you've done

that's already? Oh, I mean, it's a 20th of years that I'm in the center

Canadian of protection of the infance. He's a guy to com. I'm I'm occupied

communications, but we have in our team. I'm in cair. Tantot, we have

in our team of the people who the job to examine this material that. So,

imagine, in their in their cotidian it's these images absolutely

apocalyptic of abuse of the and I profit of all the occasions that to

leave my capo to these people, it's not a job that they

do and they are but it's a job absolutely necessary and it's

in great part because that their work that

can allow the base of the project arachnid. And the

base of data is gross, the more we can find an image and more we can act for

to reduce the quantity of these images on the internet. We are even to make our technology

at the disposition of a packet of organizations a year in the world who do exactly

the same work than we, we, we, we have read to 16 organizations in 17 people who

utilize our technology. For us aid to classify the images, because when I said tantal, that we searched the images of a proactive, if Arachnid, it's a image somewhere that has never seen, okay,

the images that are around, I know that's the pornography juvenile, so probably that's the cell that I know not but who are there, are probably also of the pornography juvenile, it's become these images suspect, and so, we make a part, and to, or time,

there are an analyst or an analyst, who will pass on the he will examine and who will say ah, yes, it's the pornography

juvenile, it's illegal in the public part of the country and this image that made in a scene tell,

tell, type of situation on a young girl or a young girl or a young age, so

all these all are in the base of data, is the question, is a

or no, is a victim, in a new, so, so, so, so, so,

just, for, enriching our base of data, and with the aid of these organizations

that, who we don't know a coup of course, we're doing more more effective

in what we do. Have you have you have been many times, let's on, the

children, like you said, literally, a kind of porn star, the dark web,

of pornography juvenile, have you have you have been particular that you have

seen, you know, just to, let's, let's, let's go, to, And is she

she'll see that this person is a kind of porn star on the Yeah, yeah, yeah,

in fact, what's what you know, in fact, what's the, in the world of the pedophilia,

the images are often organized so form of series, and the series will put a name.

So what we call a series, it's a series of a series of a victim in

particular, or a series of images consacred to a form of abuse in particular, but often

it's a attach to a victim. And it's these names of series that are known in the

milieu, so the consumers of the material are going to search these images by non

of series. These same names are known these are called in the domain.

And what we've started to have a few years, in 2015, if I don't

abuse, on Canada, we have adopted, the government to make in place the chart of the rights of victims.

It's a packet of things, but what it does it is that it makes a declaration of

victims who could be presented in justice when this when this or tell or the story so we're

we're doing, it's that the victims with the we're having we're we're off the possibility

to make a declaration, or a declaration written or a declaration video, often. And we're assure that the

procurer of the coroner and the service policiers are all current of the existence of these declarations. Concretement, it means what?

It means that if the police departs at your cousin who is subsonated to distribute the pornography,

he debarked there, he tombe on a collection, they're going to seize the apparel, they're going to

the collection to the perquisition informatic and all and they will discover that, there are these images of

there's a tell, tell, tell, the Central Canadian of Protection of the Enfance has a declaration

for this victim that that we've been to identify in the collection. So when the guy

will be to be a judge during his process at the moment of the audience

of determination of the pen, if we have found these images of 50

victims different on some computer but we know that there there are

four for which we have these declarations, the procurer of the coroner will be asked we'll present these declarations,

at the moment of the audience of determination of the pen just to make to make to find to make sure

to the judge, to the people that in the room that, what's what is the point of view of

the victim and at what the crime that we reproach to the accuser is been

empoisoned the view of the victim. Is you have had I've already had announced to someone

that she was a victim or survivant of that that you find the images and you find the

child or now adult ado yeah or an child who has not been abused but that has just

that had been photos on Facebook and that you have been full popular on the dark

web but in the same it's all that we're exactly so we're talking about

these photos that, it's that. You know, our work is more to intervene over the

victims. But, obviously, you know, with the quantity of material that we pass

between the hands, well, we're able to know, when we manipulate these images,

that, here, we're talking, we're talking, we're not who's the person, we know,

we're not, we're who's the guy, but there's also, there's not, we know,

we know, we're not, we're not, it, And then eventually it will be with the work of the inquiry of the police that we'll finish by having some information on this victim.

And when we have these information that, we can they make in the base of data for power to respond to those who are contested our demands of suppression and they're going to say, yeah, but you're demanding

to retire this image that, but how do you do for know, how can you be guarantee that that is minor? I mean, I look at the girl of an age of a six, eight, ten, ten,

how you do you do for to say that she's minor. So, we know the information, we know that the person

was a minor at the moment where the images have been the time to do you have the

formation necessary for be able to evaluate to a certain point the age of the

victim but the only case where we can establish hard of doubt reasonable

that the victim is minor is if she she she she is pre-puber on the

other other we can not we can not it After

of 18 18 years, that's been considered the pornography juvenile, 16, 17,

17, that's all that's exactly, yeah, yeah, it's still illegal.

Now, it's probably impossible, so it's really almost impossible, so when it when it's complicated, it's

complicated, so, so, so, so, at more, to have, the information,

that you know, the victim was a minor at a moment where the photo had been present, we can

not really, it's affirmed, out of all to do doubt. Is, so you've

never had to have what to be terrible because of communication, we're trying to do you know, no,

for my part, hopefully, no, I'd say, by count, that's who are in the team of

Cereight and don't the work consists just to manipulate this material that. We're

we're quite conscious that it's not a work and we're all a program of accompaniment and are

doing by the psychologists regularly, they have these sessions of debriefing of ventilation accompanied

by some of the psychologists, if at a moment a day they're extremely difficult because they're talking on the material

absolutely repubentable, by a moment of a limit is attained, you're at least, the latitude to say,

look, I'm going to be a bureau to make, it's a time, it's, it's a day, he's going to

pay it and say, I mean, it's just, I'm saying, it's just, it's not, it's in the

condition of employment, I'm, I mean, it's recognized by the employer, that's not, it's not,

so, so, so, He will be paid like that because he had a situation that's

that. Tantor, before to start to start the podcast, we've talked about a bit of

a bit to talk about a bit more of what's what it's what it is? Yeah,

you know, the sign posting, it's a practice that's if you want,

to attire the client. So you have, as I'm having, as I'm a good

part of the content, in fact, the major part of the content pedoponagraphic on internet, is re-true

on the web visible. And so you can imagine, by example, a forum Facebook, or at a moment there, there are

people who get to commenter an image a lot of a moment, you will see to appear in the comments,

someone who will say, ah, to see other images similar to this, click here.

And there, you click there to, and you're on a series of images that are a priori,

all legal, but the but the operation is to attire the people to get to

get the material illegal. Ah, you know what, you want to envoer more, then click here, and

eventually you get to be so on the web clandestine or a card of credit and

you get to get a practice like that's really a practice like to use a material legal for attire

the people to get the material illegal. if it's what he search. Like, a pub

of a costume of a show, like someone would be to write, it's right, if you

see what you want to see, by here, by here. But in the time, that,

there, there, there, the people are watching on the real web, so,

so, you're over a page that you're not supposed there, there's, there's

an alarm that's some time in a bureau of police? You know, This person

is in on a site is in trying to consume the mammography. Let's say it's never a good

idea to be made the activity illegal on the web visible just because that all

what you do you are pisteed of a way or you know we talk sometimes of protection

of the private on internet I mean Google is all you do what you do you go

on the internet and you're to see that you consults these sites of jardinage,

the next you go to Facebook, and then, look on this, we propose these articles

of the so, so you know, so it's that you do you do see that's but you

run to do the web clandestine, the dark web all, all the there's chifred, there's

no, we can be able to come up to you. Is that the intelligence artificial

has made something there's, is the fact that the we can put to a man

to make to you or whatever? Is you have there's images in a few, but it's not

these images, it's just they're just they're in and is you have access to that, or view that's

like, because it's like intelligence artificial, it's, you know, that's a big subject, and it's

a problem to be more and more. Yeah, it's so, everyone to talk to all right.

Oh, yeah, in fact, when it has started the intelligence artificial,

we know, just at a certain point that an image was, because you regarded the

image, and, a, you know, a, time, a hand a six-douin? Or, ah, the

ombs concorded not, where there were something in the image that mette the eye like what was probably not a real image. That's it

a few years in the beginning of the intelligence artificial grand public. But now, the intelligence artificial has

attained a degree of... Realism. ...to-quality. It's very, very difficult to distinguish the very, very,

and in our domain, it's a lot of problem because the people the people get to create the content pedo-pornographic or so caringly faux,

so the content that me-en-scented of these kids in the things that's better that, it's very much that. It's a

material illegal. Yes, but these persons that, I'm going to, for for real, I, I'd free

a platform for these persons They're in there, they're going to consume like, there's a, and there's always to have some of the pedophil. So, it's a part of the life. We can't, we'll never, they're going to, we can't

all get them, you know, you know, you know, it's that's, because the affair is that's really touched to say that, because when you have access to something, it can open up your door

in your head. I see, but, like, what's, you know, what I mean, to find out of the solution a minute, because it's, he will be a real

infant human or a foe? Well, okay, well, can, well, it's a problem, it's a mix of two also, more, it's that

that's part of all the derives that the intelligence artificial can engendry. You have,

by example, these sites or these applications of nudification. Very popular in the schools,

you tripe on tell or tell female in your class, you have on the media

social, you can get to get to the media social, you can't that in

this app that, you click nudified and you have to have an image generated of

a part of from a real photo a very photo a legitimate and a legal

of this child in a situation in a situation totally normal of the you click

onudified you obtain a version new of this and it's very,

very, very realist as result and it are these applications are very easy

to find with a simple research Google. Certains are certain are

paying, but you can produce at part of a photo of

of material pedo-pornographic. You can even incorporate that in these videos. So, that's a way to do with this kind of application that, who are accessible

to those who they research. The other method that certain people use, and we have a case in Quebec which I will

talk about, it's to train a model of intelligence artificial. So you can, there, it's a

competence in informatics, obviously, for doing that, but you to procure a model of intelligence

artificial that you install on your server in your subsoll and that entrain with all the collection of material illegal that you've

been on the years, and after that you can take these images random that you have to go and on the measures social or at

party of party to fight of your little when all these friends are you can put these same images that

you can't pass at the mollinette of the system and generate at about what you want to do you want to get to

search it long. Again, the week past in Alberta, there's a

type, an trainer of an team of a team of the football

who's that's made by the authorities just for that he

he used the intelligence artificial for produce these images

new of the athletes that he trained we we

have seen in in two years if I don't

am an individual called Stephen Larouch who has

been He was translated in justice, a cherbrook-a. We've found, which has been considered as an one of the most

collections of pornography juvenile never-saised to Canada. We're about about a two-million of fichie

individual. It's these real, person, who has made the photo? In fact, one-d-a-million of fichie,

but on this two-million that you had 86,000 fichie, at pretty, that had been created by

the intelligence artificial. So the guy was served to all this material that that he had in his possession

for create a material new at the aid of the intelligence artificial. But it's not the real person.

It was not the real person. It's not the real person but you see a little problem, is that

there's already a lot of material of pornography juvenile in circulation on internet,

but with the intelligence artificial we can create more more quickly more

rapidly and of a quality that It's probably difficult to distinguish the real, the foe. Is there some there are some

that's... Is there that we're that or that? Because in all the case, he will have in but we're at the chasse at the sarcasm it's a chance in 20.

It's never fined. He will always have some of the pedophiles. Even if we're going to go they're going to they're going to go and it's so,

it exists. There's there people who are there's not all the consummators of pornographies Juvenile, in the instance, there are people who will have an attire

for the children, who will never live or let say, but I'm talking to the person that who want, the person who will find out of

it will find out of her to find out. Is she she wants a image of a real infant or you know, in all the

case, she will it's sure that we, the most the most of the things that we can do they're doing all the

efforts possible to retire these images because the Canada is really in retard there's that is that our government

intervenes for a little bit to make these ballies to all the operators of

platforms numeric on other country, what's what's what's because because

internet is internet, from it exists, we're on some remit to the

operators of the platforms numeric to sort to self-reglemented. There,

we know after all what we have to see from the the endretirementation not, because the auto-reglementation

no function not, because Internet exists from a good bit of time now, and all these problems that do not find that can't be able to

do you know, so we can't on the broad-jewer for sotoreglemente it, it will not happen, it's not

the proof. It will say what? It means that the government have intervened for them to get to

the order, and they're to their policies, the constraints, of the rules that will be able to be

obliged to better protect the children on their platform numeric. You know, I'm

very far a parallel with the reality, you, you, you, you're a fabricant of toy,

you want to make a job on the market, it will have to have to respond to

a dozen of a different before to be for the market for protect the

security of the child. We don't want to don't know that you know, you

don't know, but you are a developer of platform numeric, and on your

platform, Any part of any adult can enter in contact with any any point, to do you conforming before you to conforming

before you? Nothing. And that's all the problem. The operators of platform numeric have not there's no

there's no there's nothing. So it's to government to intervene for just the for the

force by example when they receive some or the demand of subressions

who come to us who come in other in certain a few countries, you're 24 hours to act

for agir, subpoenaed and the amends to say saled. I can talk to the Royal Monique,

I can talk about the Union European, I can talk about the American, there are there

many people that are just made in place these measures very, very, very rigorous

for more protect the children on the Canada, but on Canada, nothing to so.

So, it would be time that it is who can't be able to write?

It's to your deputies. I don't know that's not not a lot of Quebec. We're quite

I'm quite I'm thinking we're avant-gardeas on both things like more than the US then?

No, there's a lot of a lot of in fact we're we're past pretty

to make a one first time in the spring there was a project of law

the project of law C63 that had been deposed to parliament and that

it was not all all all to do all all to make certain

ballies to the enterprises internet but we know the suite the parliament has been pro-rogered

the project of law is more on foyton we're going in election and there it's a

new government that we're we're saying that Mike Carney in his program

electoral had manifested his intention to reactiv this project of law or in

a project of law of the same type for protect the children

on internet. He also render all the hyper-trucage, as we're talking about, the diffusion of hyper-truecage without consentment.

He wants to make it legal. It's not not quite made, but we know at the more high level a politician

who has these intentions that. Hey, but at what it's a point it's a point that

there's there's not that they would say that clearly he said, in the in the coup,

look, what's the what are, They're probably there's a problem there's not simple to get and you regard

to the United It's difficult to interdire these things of pedophiles It's not in our first list to do you know

we're calling that's the first that's the first you're saying yeah yeah it's finished why they're not?

In fact the big problem and I tell you say it's the combat that all the people

that all people who have reached to do something that and the problem to us

we're also we're also we're also we're at the moment where you I want to act there's a

defenseer of the private who move to barricade and they say oh, well, there's not not to scan my discure or my

account of Facebook or my account Instagram for see I have the pornography juvenile, it's an invasion of

my life private. If you scan for the pornography juvenile, you can scan it anything so. It's so,

it's so, it is that's part of the endue and often the politicians can be very sensible to this end up.

But, yeah, because they're many of many people to get to Yeah, so at a moment a day, you know,

we need to make our priorities in the board of, you know, what's the important,

the protection of the private or the protection of the children of the abuse sexual, you know,

it's not, you know, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, in the platform illegal, you talked

there, there's a specialise in the partage of the young garson,

that you did that that's that yeah, it's the forum Trichenne that we

talked to a that, that's that's that's the that's That's the way that had been...

Yeah, exactly. So we've reached to be far-firm. It's not been easy. It's a lot that's a lot that has dured several months,

several months during the case, we've played to showy with the operator of this platform that that that each time

that we used to he'd be able to serveer and reprenaed his activities in an other country or on another

server at right and to goche so it has during several months. By the the suit, he's made

to use all sorts of stratagem technology for trying to contourn our measures, in changing these pixels of place in the images, et cetera. But we've finished by the fact-firming, can't even.

Is that in this moment you have a dossier like that, that you're in trying to, you know, something in particular on the time, on which you're trying to try to try to find it?

Yeah, well, in fact, it's constant. Arachnid, it's 24-4, 65 years per year. So at a moment a time,

we're talking about remarking that, ah, there's a lot of activity here. When we're

going to be more more pretty, we're in a okay, it's a, I don't know, 20,000

of suppression that we're going to see, the images are still there, what's the

case, it's at a part of that we're that we're to start to come to create

a little plus, and that we're trying to make the things. We can see it

all sort of So, I mentioned you know, with the embergeer at Paris, we're passed by the media, by Forbes.

With Tritian, we're pasted by the forneouser of service of this platform there. But, you know,

what's what what's what what's going to see that? At a moment of a time, a couple years,

two and a three and three years, there had been a gross Anquest of Nicholas Christoph in the New York Times who talked to that this platform that,

which is a priori, a platform of pornography for adults, but who had, quite a lot of content pedo-pornographic. Oh, yeah. And he recounted the demarches infructueuse

of I don't know many of victims who had to addressed directly to porn hub for far retire their images. Ah, ye. In saying,

look, there's on the two, on the other than that, and then you would have been that's a lot of their demand. So it's a

great dossier, a gross inquiry of New York Times, and not long time after, what's what's going to say,

ah, we, we, we don't have a few to do you other. So, imagine for an

company like that rolling on the material at through the card of credit, it

has been bad. So it has forced pornhub to revoir to revoir a little

these procedures, to amelioring these practices of moderation of content, and to validate the consentment of all the persons whose images

are found on their server, et cetera, et cetera. So, it's a other way to, to, to agir. For that the gross joeers

fache. Yeah. You talked tantos of disappearance of infant. Is that you have done

do you're doing? Yes, it's part of the activities of the program of the Sancanasian Protection of

the Infance. I've talked to c. which is our central to signalement. We have also

children have disappeared, or we co-ordone the effort at the level national. Like, for example, on Quebec, we work with infant-retour. So, it's a situation that's a situation that we're working with infant return, we'll exchange

these information just to facilitate the research or of these children. We do have the same with all the other province, on Canada.

And there was a film, like, I see what's what that's a non-bizor. It was an history real, really, and it's even not passed to cinema

because, it's that. It's in the United the affairs of disappearance of children, that's a real policeier

that's a little bit of the children, he was made like, like, oh, come to do

a shooting photo with your and then then finally they were going to other

country. Is that here, in Canada, it's there's situations like so,

or it's really very rare? No, it's there's there's there's

there's a traffic of the It's known around certain stations of metro at a moment

of a moment of a recruiter who are going to go to the young who are

their people and they're doing their and you do you get embarked in

the resos of prostitution and there there's not there

there's there not the form of exploitation that we can see

on the people on there you're there some companies

don't the speciality consists to it's going to do with a public of people a lot everywhere in the world

who are carrame call the shot and demand that tell or tell this affair so pass in direct at the screen. It's been. There's been

there's airstation like that. There's all sort of derives. We've not not quite about about of sex extortion

but that's a other thing. The sexstortion, that's when you're when you do you do you put approach,

say, on a platform like Instagram by a guy that you know that's 16 years and then

you're talking with this person during a certain time and at a moment of the conversation will demanage on a other

platform genre Snapchat for permit to make the exchange more more intimate and all

and then in the intimacyity and all sort of things can be I'm

you flashed your sain or what there are there there are there are there are

there are And then these photos then will be used to to make sure I'm trying to I'm trying to if you've got

that I'm to make in circulation over to your friends on Instagram you're going to me make this is

what's interesting is that we have remarked that, yes it's a great problem the sex extortion for many

but you're now there's organizations international who's specialize just there because there

there's a money to have to do that. what we're to demand if you're to take

on the extortion, it's so other images of you know or some of the same of in the view

to get the pay, but that's not quite, it's part of the advice that's if a

sextorkeer to say say, hey, envo me send me and I let's

keep, if you don't to these people that they want, they want they want to they want to

they want to just to make sure, when you to be to be the extortion, it's just

to cut up the communication, Coupe the PON, close your phone, then make a signalment because often

these people are not going to not work on a whole child at the way, they're working on

many of many times. And as you mentioned at a lot, you have some organizations frauduleoes

that are based in Africa of the West, to the Philippines and a year that,

that do you have come to the media social to the research of the victim

potential. And in the case of the extortion, it's very the young

girls who are going to get to get to probably because in the milieu that we're

it's more easy to go to get to get to an young person who will have been to be able

to be able to protect his honor and he will allow the ozai much more much better

in the but it's that's that's so. What is what we can do what can be

what what we're what I think it's important to of conversations regular with our

children there this is important as parents or when we have the children of our entourage to be very informed and I

agree that it's a challenge for the adults who we're because we know we know that our parents it's the first

generation who are made with Internet who have made with Internet internet, internet has always been there

while for their parents, internet is arrived more later. So, like, as far,

of times we're not always very, very well utilier, we have the impression our children are more competent than we're in the matter.

Well, let's we're talking the pubert, let's talk about our children, we are two, three, three, and four years, you know,

in the point that, well, the issues can transform with the age of the children, you know, the first time,

that one of over over with internet, it's going to be at time, and, you know, when you're

getting more at the adolescence, well, there's the media social, and all the on-jue that's in the

media social, it's a mine of for the pedophiles because it's often the parents

that they're going to find out I'm let's make there, I'm many people of my little guy

who's in the salon in a couch to that at what it's

dangerous. Well, I think you have being conscious especially with the

intelligence artificial on we're talking at after at part

the moment where we make the photos on on

we're the Trist reality of our years, is that the risk exists that someone

somewhere reprens these photos that for an other with the intelligence artificial,

not so we don't know to make to say to say to the people, no, no, no, you have

nothing to have a question, no, you're not, maybe, but the risk

exists. It's, I don't I don't to think, I'm not to think, example,

I'm it's I'm going to have often, like I've seen some of the people who have put on these people who are made all new

and they're and they're honestly, it's not me, it's not my car, it's not I'm all if you feel

to crossy on an image that exists you do you and you know, and I know, I agree that it's

that's, it's that's not my face, my son, my son's not my son's there's not there's not

person who, there's not is that, is is completely singled to me say that? In same time, I mean, it's these images of your son

who are being manipulated at the time of different processes to make other images. So, quite of course, we get a little bit ported and attint to the dignity of your son, but in the same time,

even if, at the end of the end of the material of false images, the damage that can cause are still real. And it's not for

that that is illegal. In Canada, even the material, the material of pedo-pornographic of type deep-fake, it's carremant illegal.

At the moment where you create these images that make in scenes in a context sexual, you just just have been

to create the pornography juvenile and it has been made by a way by a design or to form

of text or at the intelligence artificial, it's that rest of the material

illegal. Why? Because that this material that, and we see very well,

and many studies have demonstrated, it can men to certain people to pass to the act.

The simple existence, I mean, we can't count the where these individuals in court

to have in their process, have passed to have seen the pornography juvenile

on the internet, so that's true or false, it's not important, it's

that rest the pornography juvenile, it can make the people, it made

it, he didn't, And then, because they're on view, suddenly, they've made the... Exactly. They're going to ask you. Exactly. So, it's for reponderanteau to see the AI, it's also grave.

Yeah, but the person, she's going to work, she... So, granted, she'll have, they've got to be able to get it more simple. You're not going to say, I think... It's the first step, it's impossible, but we'll probably never to impethe this. It's comely... If there's, there's some... Yeah, I see, but it's a chance at a social infinite, that's what I said. I think that's not the choice.

Well, I'm more. Do you have more Do you know Do you Interim Fortitial? It's correct But it's It's true I prefer

I prefer to do AI than the reality But it's a rest that the chasse to the sorcerer It's important Because as It's like you

It's true It's sure It's sure It's sure So that the person She's over She's over She'll have

She'll be She'll be It's a matter In all the case And it's It's very Defectious Like I'm

In any case I'm just Decroager But But it's decourgant, it's decourgant, is it more, who's who, who is it more, who is, is there a lot of people who are, like, is it a bit of surprising that there's a lot of people who are?

So, there's not really of profile type. You know, the people are often to imagine, there, you say the word pedophil, and there, the people imagine a view of my name of cochon with a chapo, who is quite repugnant as a person, but the reality, when you look, when you're these operations policeire, we're doing, there's dozens of arrestations,

You look at the profile of the individuals, you will have these entrainer, these prets, these ensignants, the guy of 16 and,

the guy of 80s and all the age between the two, and at the occasion, you will

have had some of the majority, but there's also. So there's not a profile type,

really, it can be any people. What we see often, you know, not make to do

generalization, but we know, those who are those who are those who are pedosexual

will have to have tendance in their choice of activity professional

or benevol to choose these domains of the they're in contact

with with the parents. It's like they are going to a

team like the type that I talked on in Alberta the

last last in trainer of an team junior feminine

of football but but you don't not do generalization

there's I think to come to your question initial to all this is what you know, what's the

you know, what's the parent, as an adult, with your entourage, you know, you know,

I'm talking about to say, it's good to know that. It's the job of a rave of a pedophil, that's a job of a pedophil,

that, you're to be a job that the filters are there, someone who can come to come in to come back

to do, there, there there's a processus in place to that we're that we're that we're that's sure,

are the good people that we want to have. So that's it's pretty in charge. But with Cybarrette.C.A., we're in

measure to deslid these tendance and when we remark something, by example, that this new

appell new appellate and is used to tell manner by these pedo predators, we will launch

these alerts and you can you can get to be to be able to get to get back by couriel.

So, so as a measure that we can't provide to see a little bit the development

of internet to be in measure to better to be able to protect your children. And I'd say that we

know almost every year, there's something that's a radio, we're talking here today, at the television.

So it's so much of good occasions for the parents to reprend these information that, who make in

cause of other than other than they're for having their own own their own people,

he's arrived to tell situation, you've done you've done to talk to the extortion, you know,

you know, someone who's made to get to get to you know, to have these conversations regular with your children, it's permit to develop

this kind of link that that will make in sort of that if you ever your child there will be the reflex to be turning to be at you, first and before

to have to have the aid, because we see well with the services of the support when there are these adolescents who come to come to

their aid and that we're doing to talk to someone to someone of other, in the most of the most, in the have never

to the person. They have a hound of what's the problem by their own. So you

want to castes this model that, you know, if it's it's the first person to you're in

the first person, that regular with your time, that you'll be able to make that, it's what, yeah, you know,

my men, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my,

my, my, men, my, my, my, my, for these

resos for these questions that and also other I'm going to it's not when my

kids are not my family you know, it's like I like I'm I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm,

my mother posts my face on Facebook at which at a point but she she has got probably 300

friends um contrary to my contrary to me than I'm 150,000, but at which at which

you think there's a risk also that's considerable where I would just say even my family, there's person

who made my own in my family, there's there's there's a lot of,

is a lot of that's really... It's sure that's a malace if it's a malage

to tell you, there's there can't talk to the people, the photo of my people,

can't you get that on the internet. Neanmore, as I'm mentioned as a

last, the risk exists. The risk will be that that that's always that's

that's always that's used at a moves assiant by by someone of other too or

but there are there are kind of some of the social, I'll say, in the resos social, by example, at the level of the

parameters of confidentiality, you know, you can reduce considerably the diffusion of all you post. You can

go to say, well, what I'm, I'm going to reserve that to my family proche, I

don't know that my material be accessible to people that are not in my radio of so,

so at the time when you filter a a little bit the people who do you

see the people who are to reduce a little bit the risk also that's a person who's

that you know that's the pedophiles it's often a third of the people that's that you're

all right that's a fact that statistically we know when the statistics are there

so that finally we're in in chute no yeah yeah no it's

sure the the part the crime sexual are generally commonly

committed by a member of the entourage. Not in all the case, but in the majority of the case, it's the

true reality. And it's for that when you regard the material pedopronographic, and that our analysts, by example, try to see

to see to see in the context, the context, the context, after what we see, the context,

we're in a place, we're not in the front of a rural or in a park, we're in a residence private,

so there, so there, this scene that made in a scene, a man, an event, a person,

that he's know already in a place that's a bit of a bit of a bit of

a lot of that it's like that you're doing these videos

of the things things complete on there's many there's

there there's that's that's that's that's an other aspect

pretty audio of the problem is that we're we've we've

some we've some there's there's that you a demand

that will in an augmentation for these children of more and more

young. In the world of the pedophilia, you have made a podcast

there's a few a few a few some a couple of the subject there's

there's all sort of deviation there are there are people, there are people who are

tripe on some some certain group of age but there also who are

tripe on some there there there there's a

demand for this kind of material there And in this domain that,

obviously, those who who are not they're in a few of chance to me have to make a because I'm

in person who is even not even not able to talk about. You know, so it's not they

would have to do, okay, but he can't he can't penetrate a baby then we could.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, but it would say, it's like, it's like, it's like,

he'd say, he'd be he's, there's, there's, you know, The babies who are like that.

You have not idea of what what's going to see what? And you know, I'm even even more to have

to be able to it's not it's not, there's there's a there's a in the universe of the

pedo-pornography there's absolutely degrading that's and it's because even at

the terminology okay, the term pornography juvenile, it's that is used in the

code criminal for the moment but it's in trying to change we, we,

we, we don't we use not the term pedo-pornography juvenile in our communication

for qualified these images. We're talking an image of abuse sexual. Because it's

that's that's what's it in it's not, we're not banalizing these images that

for an child exists, a child does necessarily be abused of a way or

another. These are these images of abu sexual and the new terms that

you'll see appear in the code criminal in the case

it's material of abuse and exploitation pedos sexual. We'll use not pornography juvenile, we'll say, material of abuse and exploitation pedosexual.

We're more that the same. It's more, it's so that that it's. Exactly. And that's, it's, it's, it's a decouled to a demand that the victims, the survivors, the survivors, the survivors, have made a repetition, to have disparate this term that, which is disappeared in many other countries before the Canada, justly, for fair to bring conscience to all the world that the gent of image, don't we call here, it's not the stuff legge,

these images of abuse. But for all the, you know, for the, you know, before the

before the, let's see that you're a little bit more flue, let's on, let's see, of 17,

16, on these sites of pornography, but as that's pre-puberer, it's, in the sense they,

they're logically be more protected because it's more difficult to find or, you know, in the

sense that, So, let's example, but I'm, I, I, I, I said, you do you

do you feel like, you know, I'm going to do you know, to do you know, so, so I'm trying to to do you,

and he's, he doesn't, he doesn't, you know, he doesn't, you know, it's, even if it's,

like, it's, like, some, I'm, at me, they've done, oh, yeah,

and, uh, I, he had not wanted, uh, it's, it depends of AI,

yeah, but, you know, You know, I'm not nudify I'm sure that you're a control that you make an infant

12-year in your application nudificator and it's it will not it will not to make a you're surprised

yeah it's the reality in what in what? In what it's not more

they're not necessarily of discernment in fact it's it's very it's always as well

it's largely used it's there's there's there's how many of cases who are who are

when it's when it's when it's on the second time, generally we're people who are in people,

they're in who are in but the photo is you know, you know, you're playing with a

version new of an image of a guy of 14 or of a woman of a few of it's

probably quite quite quite often to put to bring conscience also for the people that

that to use these utes these out for create these images of persons

minor, even if it's not the real image, it's not a material illegal. And the police

is all. And as you do it do you know, you're there's a there's a catalogue

there and your name in there. Yeah, yeah. I'm just even the end at

when you know the where is we can be to get to go, like,

I'd just the platform, I'll cut it just for not the idea why we'd make the name

of the platform do you're going I'm going to try to cut up that's just what you said to access to the dark web

we're not we're just we're just like a kind of boom like that because it's not

necessarily that people know that I'm not that's a more person that's because

it's interesting dark web maybe someone maybe someone would be maybe maybe it would have been

there's very singular because it's know that the dark web

at the base it's it's a relive an organization American that's

and this organization that is subventioned by the government American by the

universities by these and by these particular all this beau

world that put the money there for that the dark web

exists but we know we've talked there there there's

there normally we're there also there utilizations legitimate of dark web

there are a lot of people, there's many people or some people who are in these regimes

repressive for example who are using the navigator like a VPN for camouflage

their address IP and their activities all legitimate but in the but in the

view of the kind of the Korea of North like the Iran kind of

of the state of where you would say to do do the activity that the government

in place could be used subversive these people are going to use the navigator for

communicate with people, forming with the people, formed their message but

without risked that we can't get to their identity the journalists do the journalists

do they're currently using this technology like it's very... He can't have

any negative to all, I'm here of this particularly of this. If it's just

negative, I imagine that would be like someone that they're not going to be not two naive

who would be just for the negative but that it would be able to stop and that

it's sure it's sure but you say if let's say let's say let's say let's

I'm the choice to save an affid go to get in the war, we're going to save the children, and we can't, we'll end up, and everyone is content? Yeah. Okay. It's all.

I've got to try the solution, but person, listen, ta-lawette. It's all the solution. Okay. Joanie. No, no, but he'll have to be able to have the children. Okay.

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It's, it's, it's, it's been pretty much captivated by all. It's, it's, it's it interests, and it's really pertinent and it's important and just the fact

of, like you say, to open the discussion that I think it's not my wife, she's not, my wife, but just that

I'm just that, I'm talking that person can touch her intimate so mom when when she has the lav

and even again again, it's just that of tranquillement you know as they're going to have a first contact

with the internet that's so maybe for the publicit When you click on a game, you're with other affairs,

so it's really really pertinent, so it's interesting. It's been mentioned in finishing a certain number of resources that we've developed

for the people who would have the people who would have some more encadry, protect their children, obviously,

Cid.C. if it's something, you'll have a signalment there, but on the site Cibaret.

C. you can't you can't you can't you can't all right, and receive all the

tendance that we're detected to current of the So you're going to be to be in the conversation with your children.

We have a site also that's parent-ciberaverti.c.a. Wow. I don't that. So there's a blog there's too

and there's information by group of age. You know, you talked about a four, five, that's not the

same thing that a girl of a girl of age we have there's information like my my son, what's what I

have said, okay, my son, what's what I'm going to say, at seven years, what's what's what he does what he does

net, here's where he he goes, and what's what you say, what's how you say, we're doing, we're all of all right, parent-siberavertie

point CA. And, perhaps for the young who we're an site that's called Aide-Moy SVP.C.

Because as I'm mentioned it all the young who are people who are often trying to make the problem by

them, rather than to be to be around a adult of confidence as we would they say,

but the reality is they are often they're often they're often they're often SVP.C. You will

know, by example, okay, your photo is out of X. What's what you do for the enlev?

Message, copy, collie, you're going to say it's a person minor, there's an image illegal

of me that's on your serverer. I'm you know, a young of 14

will not necessarily to make to do necessarily to do this manner. So,

we make essentially all cued in the back, we can explain how's it

bring by a different to tell, this platform YouTube, Facebook, Instagram,

how you do you do, how you do you get, how you're there, help me SVP.

CA. and in case of problem, we can always address to service of

support of the service, that will be there for you know, that I'm

having 13, 14, 14, I'd have this service that.

It's so it extraordinary, we can put in the description of the video,

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