Sexe Oral - Dwayne Leblanc : homme trans, bdsm et dating

Episode Date: June 19, 2025

Les propos exprimés dans ce podcast relèvent d’expériences et d’opinions personnelles dans un but de divertissement et ne substituent pas les conseils d’un.e sexologue ou autre professionnel de la santé. Cette semaine sur le podcast, on reçoit Dwayne Leblanc. Dwayne est un humain extraordinaire qui vit avec plusieurs particularités qui le distingue des autres. On le reçoit pour parler de tout ce qui entoure sa sexualité et sa dating life.  Au programme: - L’histoire personnelle de Dwayne : adoption, enfance et transition. - Les défis et apprentissages liés au syndrome de Morquio et à l’autisme. - Le cheminement vers l’acceptation de soi et la résilience. - Les premières relations amoureuses et la découverte des kinks.  Pour suivre Dwayne: https://www.instagram.com/dwayne_thepebble_lol/ https://www.instagram.com/enzomasterpup/ Le podcast est présenté par Éros et Compagnie Utiliser le code promo : SEXEORAL pour 15% de rabais sur https://www.erosetcompagnie.com/ Les jouets dont les filles parlent : https://www.erosetcompagnie.com/page/podcast  Le podcast est présenté par Oxio. Pour plus d'informations: https://oxio.ca/ Code promo pour essayer Oxio gratuitement pendant un mois: SEXEORAL  Pour collaborations: [e-mail] Pour toutes questions: [e-mail] Pour suivre les filles sur Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/sexeoralpodcast Pour contacter les filles directement, écrivez-nous sur Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/sexeoral.podcast/

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Honestly, it's far from being everything he describes, there are really a lot of things. He's in the BDSM community, he does poppy play. It's really... I would stay here to listen to him for hours. Really good episode. And I hope we'll see more of him after this episode. I want to see him on all podcasts, I want to see him on all shows. I think he represents a lot of people in everything he is, and it's important to the representation. He is extraordinary. So, good episode.

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because we don't want to put words in your mouth either, so maybe you could do a kind of... What is part of your identity? How do you describe yourself? What is... Well, my name is Dwayne Allo. My pronouns are they, I'm a trans person. I'm affected by the high level of the spectrum of autism, more precisely. I'm a small-time person and I have the Morquio syndrome. But I never present myself like that, like, from the outside.

But just to give context, also, of my reality and what we're going to talk about. So, that's it. Now, you said something that we don't know. The Morquio spectrum, you said? That's a mixture of two things. No, sorry, sorry! The syndrome. I don't know. The Morquio spectrum, you said? That's a mix of two things. No, no, sorry! The syndrome!

The Morquio syndrome. Yes, yes, yes, sorry. The autism spectrum, that's a little more common, but the... syndrome. Yes. The Morquio syndrome. Can you explain to us what it is? I'm going to write that it's a syndrome. I'm sorry to have already changed everything.

No, it's a herphalic disease that makes sure that I lack enzymes in the body. So that dead cells will come to live on my joints. And it will come to live on my joints. Okay. And it will come to use my bones. So, it's a degenerative disease. Oh. And to deal with that, there's a medicine every week that I take to be a vein donor to replace the enzyme and to prevent cells from accumulating in my joints.

Is that something that you were born with? Yes. Okay. It's from birth, genetic. Is that what... Is it combined with the fact that you're a small person or does it have to do with it? It has to do with it because you can have... You can be a small person, but not necessarily have the Marquiot syndrome that goes with it.

And my type of small-time person, I can do it like that. There are at least 450 varieties. So I have a particular type compared to other people who have the ananism. Do you know... But what characterizes yours? Mine is the fact that my trunk is smaller, and my limbs are longer. There are other people who have the ananism, which is the opposite.

It's the trunk that is the classic size, and the limbs that are shorter. This one is the most classic, if I can say it like that. Yeah. So you grew up with your mother? Well, more or less. Would you be willing to draw a portrait of your childhood? Hey boy, it's going to be long. Is it okay if we do it together?

Yeah, I think it's okay. I think it's okay. I think it's okay. I think it's okay. I think it's okay. I think it's okay. Well, more or less. Would you be willing to draw a portrait of your childhood? Hey boy, it's going to be long. Is it okay if we have the time? It's your birth story too.

Okay. Well, basically, I was born with the beautiful feet, as we call them. That's someone who has the wrong feet, that's what we call it. That's someone who has the wrong feet, in the end. And that requires an operation as soon as you're a baby, because otherwise you're left with that. So there were already things like that. So that's it. I was born with a biological mother because I was adopted.

She had some mental problems, not bad, and she wasn't fit to take care of me. So she decided to adopt me. And that's when... I don't know, I think I was officially adopted two months ago. But I had three families before that, because I needed milk and I didn't have enough. So I cried a lot. They didn't understand why I cried all the time. But it was because of that,

so my last family just gave me more milk. I fell asleep that day, and they decided to keep me after that. So cute! pis en fait, je me suis endormi cette journée-là pis ils ont décidé de me garder après ça. C'est lourd. Ouais. Ah là, tu me parles de bébés qui ont besoin de lait, c'est sûr que ça vient toucher le cord. Ah ouais, j'avoue que ça me touche particulièrement. Excusez-moi.

Non, c'est sûr, ça vient toucher le cord. Ok, fait que là, tu sais, tu nous as partagé quelque chose en privé avant qu'on vienne aujourd'hui. You know, you shared something with us in private before we came today, about your mother. Yes. That you were born in a special relationship. Is that something you talk about publicly or are you not comfortable with it? Oh, I don't know.

How can I explain that? My biological mother, sometimes I mix the two, she was also adopted. And she was already mentally fragile, like from the beginning. And what she wanted was to find her biological family. And when she met my great-uncle, she fell in love with him. Maybe the brother of his biological father. Yeah, I'm mixed up in there because it's like...

Yeah. And Carl, when he met him, well, he too fell in love with him. And what happened is that he said, like, I find it a little weird what's going on. It's like a little strange. So I don't want to get too involved in the relationship because I find it a little wrong. But he loved him and he kind of forced him

to have children with him. So like... So you would have brothers and sisters. I have a sister. You have a sister. You have a sister. I'm a father. A great-grandson. I don't know how to call him.

But I have a aunt. And how old is the difference between your mother and her uncle? That's a good question. There are many mysteries that I can't answer. And how did you get all this information? My adoptive mother told me, but I didn't have to know until I was 18. Okay. So I was like, surprised. I was like, what?

Surprised? Surprised! In addition, when I learned it, I was in my literature class, and it was precisely on the subject of incest. En plus, quand je l'ai appris, j'étais dans mon cours de littérature, pis c'était justement sur le sujet de l'inceste. Fait que là, j'étais comme, ouf, aïe, sa fesse, sa fesse. Aïe. Ouais. Est-ce que ta sœur a eu un syndrome quelconque aussi lié à ça? Euh, non. Je suis le seul à l'avoir eu. I'm the only one to have it. So, you're supposed to have a chance out of four to have it. Oh yeah, it's still...

Because it's genetic. It's still a lot, it's still high. Well, since the two were carriers because they were from the same family. Ok, ok, ok. Well, that's what it does. Ah, well yes. It's like... It's crazy. Yeah, that's what it's like. Ah, well, yes. It's like that. OK, yes.

Yes. It's crazy. Ouch, ouch. And are you still in contact? Do you have a little contact with your sister? Well, I had no contact at all with my biological brothers and sisters, but I have an adoptive sister who is not from the same family. Yes. biologic, mais j'ai une soeur adoptive qui est pas de la même famille. Est-ce que, parce que là une fois que ta famille adoptive t'a adopté alors que t'avais deux

mois, t'as grandi avec eux jusqu'à tes 18 ans? Oui, c'est ça. Est-ce que eux t'es en bon terme avec eux? Well, it was quite... It's hard to describe because... They accepted me... How can I say? It was a rather religious family. So it was a bit difficult to get the ball rolling on my trans identity. Well, it ended up going through because, as they say, it happens. transidentité. Bon, ça finit par passer parce que justement, c'est ce

passe comme on dit, fait que aux yeux de la société, j'ai l'air d'un homme. Fait que tu sais, ça, avec la pression sociale, ils ont fait comme Wacky, là, tu sais. Mais c'est plus, c'est plus au niveau des abus psychologiques financiers que j'ai décidé de me retirer de cette famille là. I decided to leave the family. Do you want to talk about it? It was not bad to finance my studies, but they were the ones who took my money, and I couldn't go out, and I couldn't have a social life. It was not bad either.

It was to the point that I didn't have a gift for my birthday, or I didn't have a contact line, from there. Or... Psychologically, it was more at the level of, like, my personal opinion, I would never be able to have a home, I would never be able to succeed in life, children like that. More at the level of control and restricting a person. It's like, in what you're saying, I hear that it was a very selfish adoption,

that it's like they adopted a child so that their... You know, not so that this child gets proud and becomes, you know... To have control over... You know, really particular. Yeah, well, you know, a concrete example, let's say for my birthday, well, my mother gave me books, but it was books that she liked.

That I didn't like, so I was like, well, here, I give you. So she was happy. Oh no. Or let's say, I really felt like the psychologist, because often people would say, well, it's because of you that I have depression, and that I'm going to see a psychologist because you weren't doing well, and all sorts of things like that to make me feel guilty. And you know, I felt indebted to them. I was trying to help them out, finally. That's very violent.

Yes. Yes, really. You also told us about your trans identity, but also the spectrum of autism. What came first for you as information between those two things? What came first? What did you learn about yourself? What was revealed to you? Did you get diagnosed?

I got my diagnosis pretty late when I was at university. Oui, bien, j'ai reçu mes diagnostics assez tard quand j'étais à l'université. Ah oui, les deux? Oui. Bien, on peut pas dire que la transidentité c'est un diagnostic? Non, je pensais que c'était l'autre... Oui? Non, pas la transidentité là, c'est pas un diagnostic. Bien, j'ai fait un peu près en même temps. Parce que, genre, c'est là qu'à l'université, je commençais à me détacher de ma famille.

Je commençais à me connaître parce que je portais tout le temps l'attention sur ma famille, I started to get to know myself at university because I was always paying attention to my family, their needs, their psychological aspects. I never took the trouble to do an introspection of who I was. When I was at university, I had a network of people I knew well, who were positive, healthy for me. So it allowed me to open up to several realities that I had to hide. So when I started college, I had my diagnosis, yes, of dysphoria of gender, as we call it, with a sexologist. So that's when I learned that I was trans,

but it was also because I was with someone, so I didn't want to have a good relationship with the person. And then for Lottif, it was a little later, towards the end of my university, I don't know, I felt... sensitive to everything, like the textures, the cushion, everything was really like exacerbated. The way I thought was so different from how others perceived things. I'm someone who is very literal and pragmatic. I do things and I'm very direct.

That's why I wrote to you. I have something to give. I'm really upfront. Very direct in my approach. So, you know, those were all things that... that questioned me, basically. How did you... So you learned that you had a dysphoria? Dysphoria. I had dystrophy.

Hey, seriously, help me. Dysstrophy is not the same. No, I'm sorry. Dysstrophy. No, it's because I think I drank a coffee. It's been a long time since I drank sorry. I think I had a coffee, I hadn't had one in a long time. I shouldn't have. My brain is... With the cramp. I'm sorry. You learned about gender dysphoria.

I imagine you doubted it. You said it was something groundbreaking. Well, there are several... Before I start my transition, In the sense that she didn't announce anything groundbreaking. Well, there are several... Before I started my transition, I had been to see a social worker. Because I was like, what's going on? I saw a video of someone who had made a transition, and I was like, wow, it makes my heart beat. I didn't even know it existed.

I was really in intense religion. I didn't even know that a trans person existed who could make a transition. So I was a little bit upset, but I was still afraid. I wasn't quite ready yet. And then this social worker, she was like, well, with... A social worker, it's never worth saying that.

I'm sorry, but she was like, don't you think that with your disability and everything you live, it's too much? Like... It's not... You don't have enough. I'm sorry. woman. Yeah. So guess what I did? First, I wasn't quite accepted.

I was going to be in denial for a year, but then it caught me when I ended up in a relationship with a straight woman. Oh. Before we start recording, what is your sexual orientation? Are you comfortable telling us? Well, I'm pansexual, sapiosexual. It's really in the vibe of the person and the brain. Okay. So it doesn't have too much to do with sex or gender or whatever. Perfect. The brain. What did you think of when you were a kid? What did it look like at school? Oh boy. I was really someone who was very locked up in myself. As if I didn't want to see

my own reality by meeting other people. By getting to know other people that you learn to know. So I was really isolated in my neighborhood. I didn't talk to many people, maybe one or two people, but I wasn't feeling well in my skin.

I neglected myself in terms of washing myself, in terms of clothes, so now I'm getting naked. Now I like that. vestimentaire, faque là je me défoule maintenant, j'aime ça. T'sais, j'étais quelqu'un... Ben c'est ça, j'étais comme shut down. T'sais, j'ai pas vraiment de... Des fois j'ai comme des I was a bit of a victim. You know, when someone is a bit traumatized. I have some sort of blackout. In dissociation, I guess. Yes, that's it. So you went to school and it was pretty bad.

You went back home and you studied. You didn't have a friend card. You didn't have... You know, in my perspective, I was like, I'm going to work hard, I'm going to get good grades at school, and that's what's going to allow me to have a job and to get out of here.

Were you in the same place where you valued yourself the most? Not even. No. I was more in the robotic mode. I was like, I'm going to do this, this, this. I'm going to be able to live after. So you didn't live your entire childhood, your entire adolescence? You didn't have anything? No, not really. No.

Let's say you think of happy memories of those times, is there something that come to you? Maybe when I was doing some sports competitions. I was very athletic. I was doing provincial competitions. Basketball, rollerblading, paragliding and everything. Those were the moments when I was with other people and I was performing. I like doing sports. Is the wheelchair something you still use a lot? Really. Since you've been training? Yes, that's right.

I walk 90% of the time now. Can you tell us what the transition was? What made you do that? 90% of the time, I walk now. Ah, can you tell us what the transition was? What did you do in that? Did you do something that really changed? Did the training change everything? Well, when I knew there was a drug to help me replace my old people, that I wouldn't have any more pain,

I started to feel that I wouldn't have any more pain. You know, I started to feel the fact that I wasn't physically in pain anymore. And I started to get a taste of it. And I was like, well, how far can I go? And I went to a gym where I signed up with a physiotherapist trainer. He really had an impact on my life. He encouraged me not to put myself on the edge, to have a good self-esteem, to tell myself that I am able to do it, to look people in the eyes when I talk to them. I was just like, I'm like, I'm going crazy. But to really assume the person I am and to see how far I could go in terms of my health, because it's important.

I told myself, I'm going to try to live as long as possible. Because when I had my... when I had the Morchio syndrome, they did some genetic tests and they told me that I couldn't live until I was at most 12 years old. Huh? Yeah. Can I ask you your age today? I'm 30.

Congratulations. Thank you. Well, I don't know what you deserve. Can I ask you your age today? I'm 30. Congratulations! Thank you! I don't know what you deserve. I didn't do it on purpose, but I'm very happy. It's a big step. And now they're like, I'm not sure I can understand what's going on. And it seems like I can live to 60. But I don't know how many they've done. 60.

Well, look, when you're 60, you're going to prove to them that you can still do it. Well, that's it. Hey, look, you'll prove to them that you're still capable. Well, that's it. Hey, that's it. We hear a lot of stories like that, that people say, yeah, you're next month, finally, you'll live another 20 years. Yeah. It's like, in any case, you have to ignore that maybe, and live as if it wasn't that.

Well, that's it if it wasn't that. That's it. In my perspective, I was like, I just took advantage of what I could do for the time I had left. That's it. I'm like, in my head, you say, you make yourself say, well, you're a parent, whatever, at 12 years old, when did you know that at 12 years old, did you know it before 12 years old or did you know that... At 12, did you know it before 12 or after 12? Well, I knew it not long after my 12, which I don't think was supposed to be.

So you didn't realize you were 12, let's say. You didn't have that information. No. No. But, you know, when you're 14... I'm going to throw up. You're like the end is near. I'm in summer. You're in summer. I'm learning to live on borrowed time. It's fucked up.

That's why I was really in the mood. Like, oh yeah, I have the time. We work, we set the record straight. That's it. That's it. So every day you lived all the time telling yourself that you were going to start... It seems like my life would be so different. Like every day I tell myself, maybe it's in the day.

Well, at the same time, for me, that's how we should live. In the sense that we don't have time to waste. Life is so short that it's important to do what we love and not have regrets. Playing Sims. I've played it too. Doing things you love. It doesn't mean to overperform and to start on the ground. I could sleep too. Well, it's part of living, sleeping, really.

I'm exaggerating, but let's say gaming or spending time with friends. It's also part of... Excuse my ignorance, but enzymes... Can you explain to me what you know about it, what it does, what it eats in winter, enzymes? Because, you know, I don't have a baccalaureate, my grade is good, my high school is good, it's almost everything, I would need an explanation. Okay, enzymes. Yes. Well, there are several.

Okay, you see, there are some that are not fine, that's it. There is one that is not fine. There is one that is not fine. Okay, and she attacks your own body? Well, she doesn't exist. So the cells are like foraged. Okay. And I'm installed on my joints.

They are like foraged. Which is not there. That's it. Well, cancer types are often linked to enzymes, I think. Or there again, I... She has a nutrition bank. Yes, enzymes, we eat that, you know. But no, it's...

Cancers, it's not related to enzymes. It's... So, you get injected a replacement of that enzyme? Yes, I don't have one. So, they're happy. They're happy, I like that you're talking about you. In maternal, yes. It's direct, you know. Yes, I don't have one. So they're happy. Okay, they're happy. I like that you're talking about yourself.

Yes. It's direct, you know. In the right way. When I asked you a question on chat, I said, vulgarize like you're talking to a 5-year-old child, please. Okay, I'm in your head, that's it. But it's important to understand. That's it. I didn't want to pretend I understood when I didn't understand anything.

It's still a bit blurry. I couldn't even tell you the exact name of that name. It's like Polysacchariose. It's closer than anyone could imagine a name in the hymn. It sounds like a hymn name. That's the only thing I miss. The one I can't reach. I understand.

You said it was important to have friends and everything. When did you start? Because you said you were going to... When did you start having a social circle? I started to really have a social circle towards university. And what did you study at university? Video games. I studied video games until I graduated. Excuse me.

Yes, artistic program. What does that mean? What do you do? Let's say I see a pouf, I do it in 3D. And I put it in the game. That's sick! Yeah. So you have objects, it can be a toast, a chair. So you're the one who does the video game sets? Yeah, the visual.

Oh, well, you just touched a sensitive heart. I'm doing a great thing. Sims sets. So you trying to make Sims sets. You could make Sims sets. Stop it. Hello, Broly. That's it. Dwayne, you're going to finish up.

Oh, it's not good. You're going to finish up, Dwayne. I'm doing this. I'm doing this, watching Sims videos. I get up in the morning, I do more on my gameplay, and I watch it for hours. And I go to bed and I watch Sims. I watch... I don't want to bring it back to me, it's really not the time. Let's play.

Let's play. Series of 10 episodes of a Sims challenge. It's episodes of an hour. I listen to 10 hours of Rags to Riches. It starts with a Sims who doesn't make a sound crisis, and then it goes into the rich. Is it moving you at the same time? Oh, it's... well... The one I'm listening to is a witch, and she has a witch hunter.

She could be falling in love with the witch hunter, but she has to marry another boy. Because she has to do a cash pass from someone who died. That's a big deal. There are big stories. Oh yeah, I invested. Anyway, big story, I thought it was... It's a big deal to find out. She orders a pin and he pisses on the ground? No, yeah. It was a big story. Ah, yeah, I invested. So, big stories, I think, it's a thing. It's a thing of, you know, like... He orders the beer and he pisses on the ground. No, no.

That was weird. It was weird. That's what I thought. That's what I thought. That he's a snake in the pool. That he's a pitcher in the pool. Okay, sorry, let's bring it back. So, you studied video games.

And that's when you started to make a circle of friends. Yeah. Yeah. And how did it change? What did it change in your life? To have people have fun. Yeah. To have people have fun.

Yeah. To have people have fun. Yeah. How did it change? What did it change in your life? To have people to have fun with. Because the way you said it earlier, it's like you were living your life, but you were a little disconnected. You got up in the morning,

and that's what I understood. Yeah, well, that's it. Well, it allowed me to get to know myself. As I said, it allowed me to know myself, as I said. It allowed me to... Well, at first it was a little difficult, it was a little confronting because, you know, you're in front of something that is so and pleasant, and less centered on others. So it was a lot of therapy first. That really helped me.

I think I did therapy as soon as I started my transition. So it really was like a personal job during that time. And then... How old were you when you started your transition? It was in 2017. 2017... I'm not good at calculating. But it's been at least 8 years.

8, 9 years. Like, you calculated. Well, we put 7 minus 2 because we're in 2025, it must be 8. Yeah, that's the point. You were at 3 there. Did you make a complete transition or were you... Well, I... It doesn't bother me to watch with all the children I have.

Before the podcast, we asked where we could go and where we could go. And you told us that's why I asked you questions. But if there's something, you tell me. I'm curious, naturally. Without your good reason, we have to go. Well, I have... It's because before I did my transition, I had too much testosterone for a woman. Flex, right?

Yeah, yeah. So now I'm proud of my chest because I didn't have surgery. And I'm glad to have a chest of a man of this kind. You really look like you've done a lot of that. Even before, it was okay. But it was stressing me out at first. I was used at first. Because, you know, at the level of... You know, I was used to hiding. So I was like...

And I made the big jump. My sister was like... We had been to a hotel and my sister was like... Adoptive. She said, I didn't bring your swimsuit. So you'll have to go to the public swimming pool in a shirt. But you started your transition, you didn't say that. No, I think it was six or seven months that I was a testo.

That's a big step. I was stressed. I understand. That's a big step. I was stressed. But in the end, people didn't care. I realized that it was okay. To answer your question, I didn't have surgery for the bottom surgery. Bottom surgery.

The surgery of the bottom. Plastic. I am having fun with toys that I wear according on my desire and my mood. Hmm. Yeah. Depending on the person too. That's the good thing.

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It's with the sexual code GROSBISOU. When your first contacts people, you said, «Ok, I'm making a circle of friends, I'm opening up quietly», what was it like? Did you already have a date through all of this? Well, yes, it's like coming a little bit at the same time. You know, like, I started going to bars, let's say in the village, or otherwise. At the level of meetings in general, I would meet people.

And I was like, oh, how can I feel attraction? You know, because before, I didn't really feel it, because I was still so cut. So there, I started to live as a transsexual for people or as a short-term interest. So it started like that. Where are you from? I'm from Laurentide. Laurentide. So you don't have... Saint-Geron.

Saint-Geron. Saint-Lyn-Saint-Geron. That's it. How long have you been here? I've been there. When I started, I was at the university, so I was here. That's it. So you didn't go anywhere.

Saint-Geron, it's not that interesting. I just wanted to understand if there was a clash between where you come from and you arrive in the village. If you had grown up on the plateau, I don't know. Well, again, I was cut off from my reality. I didn't feel any shock. Shock, shock, shock. I was like, well, I keep studying. I understand. For my starting goal.

Do you remember the first time you had a date or that you were able to go after those attractions that emerged in you? Yes, at first I was really too romantic. Like too much. Well, classic. I was going on a date and on the first date I gave her a necklace, like Swarovski. And the girl was like... She was a little uncomfortable. But, you know, we stayed the same. Ok, you know her today, Sarah.

Yeah, I think you know it too. Wait, off camera. Impossible! You have to cut that. Ok. Very cute. Oh my god, ok. Wait, does that mean you're doing poppy play together again today? We saw each other again later.

I was like... Ok, but no. Oh, that's good. Okay, but no. Impossible, it's crazy. It's because we're like, seduction is over. Oh, that's it, it's over. It's going around. I don't know.

It seems like it does that. And we assume it, so it's even more different. So you're like all the time, it's the cross without a end to it. That's it more different. So you're like all the time, it's the cross without a end to it? That's it. Wow! Cute. And is the fact that...

Did you date more... Your dating circle, did you... Did you put it smaller because you're a small person? You said, it looks like I wouldn't be able to... Did you put barriers yourself? Well, you said, I don't think I could do it. Did you set yourself barriers? Well, at first, yes. But once I got out, I was like...

I'll let it go. I'll see what happens to me. And then, finally... It wasn't a problem. Wow! Yeah. And have you ever experienced the sexualization of minors? In fact, how do you call it?

Fetishism? Well, yeah. As much for the fact that I'm a minors person as I'm trans. In both? So, unfortunately, they don't escape. But it's pretty easy to spot. Okay, it's like... What would it be?

Can you give us examples of times where it happened? Well, let's say I'm on a dating app, and the person is hyper focused on the fact that I measure 3.7 feet. And I'm like, okay, can we talk about other things? 3'7, huh? Yeah. It's not big? No.

Even for my condition, it's like I'm small. Oh yeah, huh? For people like the Morphio Syndrome. It's still... So people who have a fetishism only talk about that, I would say. Yeah, it's the same thing for trans identities. They focus on the genitals.

And then, you know what? I'm the filter for all that. Yeah, yeah. Good life. And did you ever get that you mistreated your filter and that you finally got there and you were like, Oh my God! No, but there was one time when I was like,

you know, everyone likes to have fun for a one night. Well, that was a really wrong perspective on my part. I was like, well, I'm going to try. And no, it wasn't fun. Do you want to tell me why it wasn't fun? Well, there was a lack de consentement, mettons. Oh, je suis désolée. C'est correct.

Si tu es arrivé souvent du monde qui te respecte pas, genre qui... par rapport à... Ah, une fois. Une fois c'était assez. C'est ça que c'était de personne. Oui, c'est ça. Après ça, t'as dit... J'ai fait comme, c'est pas pour moi, pis genre, il n, there's never anyone who's going to do that to me. Wow. Bravo. Do you want to talk to us about...

Because I imagine that your first sexual relationship we met was around when you were at university, and those moments too? A little bit before. Okay. Yeah. Because I was like, precisely after the history of social worker, well, I didn't feel good and I had like suicidal tendencies, I can say. And I had counted that to one of my date friends, I don't know why, and she was like

a little bit in the psychological field than anything else. So she's the one who has sheltered me in her house as long as I'm recovering. And finally, we went out together, mixed up in this story. Which is already... It's not a super simple thing, let's say. And she, I didn't know, she was with a man, a man of that kind, but I wasn't aware of all that. So I was in a relationship, a little bit hidden for several years.

Several years? Yes. Oh, well, yes. Didn't you know for several years and vice versa? I knew it because the way it started, you know, I kissed the guy. But I didn't know. And that was before transition? Yes.

So you were presenting differently? Yes, before transition. Well, let's see! So, what did he do? He was in Saint-Cybore. I was like, excuse me, she told me you were like her cousin or something like that. So, we had a little discussion. But since I didn't have enough self-esteem, I was like, I'm going to stay the same in this relationship.

It doesn't make sense. I didn't have enough self-esteem. I was like, I'm going to stay the same in this relationship. Huh? Look, it makes no sense. But he wasn't... I don't know what they counted on each other. It was maybe an open cut, basically. Really not. No, he wouldn't have made any crisis. I understand, but if he had made a crisis, he would have said, hey, you know what? The other one.

No, but I think it was a lot of manipulation from that girl. In the sense that... Ok, he invented what? He's not doing well. That's why I'm here for him. How long have you been with her when you kissed her in front of someone?

Do you think you're in love at that time? Not necessarily in love because it was the second or third time I saw her. Ok, ok, ok. But I would say it lasted about five years. Oh, damn. It was long. But again... So she was cheating on her boyfriend with you.

Yeah, and other people. And other people, okay. So... So she cheated on you too? Yeah, I guess so. But you were aware that she had a chum at some point. So after that... Well, it's because after she told me,

like, I'm doing therapy, I've had traumas, I'm not able to stay steady. So, you know, the saviour I was, from my past, I was like, I'm going to be the person who's going to save you. It's going to take five years, I'm patient. But it's not worth it. You're not talking to him again?

Oh no, no, no, no. It's over. Oh no, no, because not worth it. You're not talking to him again? No, no, no. It's over. No, no, no. Because that's it. Okay, so let's say we're going from this story with this person to a first healthy relationship. Yes! Yes. Well, it's my current job, I can say.

And it hasn't been long since we've been together. I think we started dating in April, so it's been a year since we've met. And it's going well. OK. So at 30, it's your first relationship? Yes. For me, it seems like I enjoy even more the fact that I deserved it. Well, yes. I worked so hard, you know, and I think that for me, it's a bit like the Sunday show. You know, it's not my past, it's not me who chose it, and I can't choose it. I couldn't have done better.

I did what I had to do to get out of it. I have no regrets. I don't know where it comes from, but with everything you've been through, who gave you that power, that inspiration? You told me earlier that you had a coach in training who helped you with therapy. Yes, therapy. Who helped you a lot. And that's where you've always been a person of... heart.

Of heart. Of heart. From the heart. From the heart. Well, from the start, it seemed that with everything I had, I was able to practice my resilience. You know, so with every little anecdote I learned about my life, like the fact that I adopted you and... You know, the whole thing, I was like... What's next, you bastard? That's it. There wasn't much that affected me. I was like, OK, this happened to me, but I know I can do it.

It doesn't change anything. Therapy really helped me a lot. What's important to remember is that everyone can be resilient, and it's practical, and we can get through it. No matter what we go through, the important thing is what you think, how you perceive yourself, especially. Because if you perceive yourself well, you can go through anything. Really.

And precisely, with my transition, that's where it helped me to be more assumed, because I felt better in my skin. You know? I think therapy is really something that is not neglected. You know? All these labels you have, because there are several,. Do you think you love them all, accept them all, or are there some that are harder for you to accept? Well... I don't see it as something like being a burden. You know, I'm more like...

Well, okay, I have certain particularities, but for me, it's like a bit of a life challenge. You don't change anything? No. Let's say I have a few little challenges at home. Let's say I have to reach something, I'm like, ah, six months. How am I going to do that?

And it looks like it stimulates me intellectually speaking. I'm like, okay, I'm. How am I going to do that? And it seems like it stimulates me intellectually speaking. I'm like, OK, I'm going to take it all down. I do it all brutally or I open it delicately with an item that I'm selling or whatever. Everything depends on my patience. It's going to have different results. Or the jam. I call it.

Yes, that's it. I'm so damn good. But you know., when you're older. That's it. I'm not sure. But you know... For me, I think it adds a bit of life. Like on a daily basis. And challenges. Yeah, I like challenges. What are your life challenges compared to... Compared to everything? What are the challenges you face every day?

What are the challenges you face every day? Well, she says the same thing. I don't know. Because we received a small person and we asked her what it was. She said that she was a grocery store owner. I don't break my head with that. I don't trade with the store owners. I have other things to do. I order my train the staff. I have other things to do. I order my own grocery store. That would be more like me. I don't want to do another exercise after my gym.

I admit that it's more the effect that people who don't go out, it's not good. But if you go out anyway to go train, and you bring your grocery to little foreign country, I understand. Well, I'm not saying that as long as he does the exercise, I'm going to do it the right way. With my joints and everything, I don't want to get hurt. So... That's why I was curious because you have your trainer,

but your trainer is still faced with the fact that it's the first time he's going to work with someone like you. He doesn't necessarily know the... How do you discover together the limits of your body? Because you think of someone who walked around mostly in chair? You think of that? Well, there was already someone who was in an electric chair before me. Okay.

So, you know... But otherwise, since he's a physiotherapist, he had a lot of notion of particular limitations, like me, it was the joints. He taught me to train myself according to that, to respect my pain and to know what are the right types of pain in terms of muscular progression. Let's say if I felt a knife cut at the level of my joints, I knew that the exercise wasn't good because it was a joint pain.

If I had muscle pain, it was more like a feeling of... it heats up. Yes, yes, yes. Who taught you that? Yeah, and then I learned to do my own program, to be autonomous. And we're still talking a little bit. He's not my coach anymore, but now I'm a little bit

solo-mio. Well, yes, and you make nice videos. Thank you. On Instagram. Can you tell us, talking about Instagram, about your other... well, your kink, actually? Yeah. That I love. Your T.

Your T. Your R. One in particular that I love a lot. Yeah, well, I'm into poppy play. I can only imagine the person listening. Well, another thing. Another thing. Another passion. When you get there, surprises don't wait.

There hasn't been any surprises today. How did you get into this community? Well, I often listen to your podcast. No. No. That's the best answer ever. You didn't know? No.

Was it because of the podcast that you started doing it? He told me earlier about it, I knew. When we did the poppy play... Yeah, that's when... Hey, we inspired you! Well, yes. What a look! We motivated you!

I was scared. I saw the podcast and I was like, oh, it's gonna be fun. But did you already approach the BDSM community before that? Never. Oh my god. I have long legs. On your side or yours? Yours. He's attached to you. She. She, sorry. So...

Perfect. In the poppy play, I'm more like Master Poppy. You're Liz? No, I wasn't a poppy. Ah, Master, because in my head, Master is a... Master Poppy is like Tossa. No, Tossa is Puppi. He is Alpha Puppi.

But Master is not the guide? Yes, but I am half half. Ok, ok, ok. You are a bit the master of Puppi? Mostly, I am the master. Ok, I thought it was like... I confused it with Alpha. Liz did such a great job playing her role that you wanted to do that.

That's it. That's crazy, but you could have been in your bar. The worst part is that the first time I went to an event, I met Tossa. Impossible! I was like, well, there. Then she started playing with myself and everything. And then, that's it. I was like, oh my god, I'm staying here.

Okay, wait. So, listen to the podcast. You say, it speaks to me. It's something that speaks to me. How do you take the steps to go there, to live that for the first time? And why did you choose Master? Okay, wait a minute. there's too much to do.

We tested that. There's too much to do, sorry. OK, sorry. Sorry. What was the first question? The first question is, you listen to the podcast, your approach to life. Yes, it's because in the podcast,

I remember that Tessa said that there was a telegram for the community, so I got on the telegram. A telegram? What is a telegram? Well, it's a bit of a messenger for Poppy. But there are other things, not just Poppy. I got on the channel of Wolf Montréal, and I started to jizz with the world, but I was so like, what the heck? I was stressed out, you know, like, what's going on? So it took me several months before going to my first event. So, but...

And how do you get there? How do you... you must be stressed out that you have the have been stressed out. Well, surprisingly, not really during the event. You talk to me so much! Yes, but it's before going there that you... Yes, before, I was like... Oh my God, okay, I have to consciously move to that place. That's it!

I was like... But after, once on the spot, I find it so cool that... What was the event? Was it the... A poppy park. Oh, it's the end of the festival! Was it where we were or not? Yes, it was at the tension.

Okay, that's it. But it was a strictly social event and everything. So I was sitting on a little cube and I was like, I just wanted to look at it. And that's when it happened. I was like, oh my god. And then he threw me the ball. You're a fanboy a little bit. Yes, a little bit. Why did you choose to be... what made you...

Did you test before? We tested and we didn't really test. You knew you were more of a master. I put a mask on my head and I was scared. How did you do it? Did you try both and you said, okay, no, or was it instinct for you that you didn't want to be in the role, as long as it's poppy? Well, I went with what I want at the moment.

When I introduced myself there, even before, I felt more like a master than a poppy. I have less tendency to do woof-woof. I'm more like... I like that. Like finding ways to train the pitties, to do activities. As I said, I'm someone who treats things in a pragmatic way.

So I like to create opportunities for people, like for their kinks and everything. Do you wear a mask or not when you're in a mask? Sometimes, yes. Sometimes. So I'm like in the poppy place, I'm full of shit. So, I don't just have poppies, I also have ponies. Ponies? Really? I don't laugh at anything.

No, no, it's just that. I have a horse. It's crazy. Is it new? It's not new, it's just less known. No, but it's new. There? No? It's not new, it's just less known. It's new over there. It's not the same place? We never named it.

It's open. I think he found it on his side. It's a new place. There was a partner there and I got along well with him. At the same time with the poppies? Maybe a second event after. Did you introduce your squirrel? There are no squirrels!

What? How does it work down there? How does he play with dogs? They all go to the ball pit and he's still in the corner. That's why he came to see me too. There were less opportunities to do pony play. I've already done equities before. So I was able to give him opportunities to play. Because when he got on the boat with the poppies, he felt like he was becoming a poppy by accident.

I was like, that's not his intention. So we're going to give you... It's a must have, a place to be more than a partner. I'm trying to find it, but it's tough to find a winery in Montreal. Yeah, that's for sure. But...

Come to the Valtryek. Is it worth it? Do you show it or... Do you show it? Do you show it on the horse? No, I'm going to break his back. But we invented a business. It's valid.

No, it's even better. It's valid in Davarouite. It could be. We invented... Well, it's even better. It's valid in the Marouette, it could be. We invented, well, it's more him who built it. With my rolling chair, we installed some kind of guides so that they can hang on and I can... It's genius tabarnak. At Pride, we did that. We did that last year.

Impossible, that must be crazy. It was mentally ill. It's like... I was like, hudada! No! How it goes! It's a cart that... Your horse was walking. It hurt her foot, but...

It's for sure! Well, I didn't have... Did you help her a little? No, no, not a little. Not a little. Wait. Wow, but the CV decided to have a horse. But no, I understand. You know... it's him who decided to be a horse. I understand.

It's his job. Wow. He's actually known for it. No, it's his job to say, I understand, I understand. It's the goal of a horse. My father made money with that, it doesn't matter. He makes the bidoos.

No, it's for fun. He did... We did a few tests before to see if he breaks, I don't get into it. So it's all a creative process that was super fun to do. And test too, because... Not making an accident at Pride. I understand. It's a bit of a party.

No, that's for sure. And I want to know, well, about that, before Dalaïa, I want to know what it takes you to do poppipoulet. Yes. Well, social contact, already. I like that a lot. You know, I really like that. I've always liked animals. I have certain notions of training in there.

And it comes back a little with my medical condition, finding solutions to get to a certain goal. So it's a little bit the same thing on a psychological level towards my puppies or my partner. You know, trying to find a way to train them, to give them directions without saying anything. Just with my body language or with certain tools or certain things. That's really something that interests me. So I document my things. And I'm very...

I was there too at the same time. You know, I really like the psychological aspect. So it's a lot of psychological kink when I'm a master. You know, I'm less in the brutal force of like, you, you're going to submit. It's more like, what can I do for you to want to submit to me without me doing anything? That's what it's about. So, can you bring it to the bedroom a little bit or?

Yes. Is it like, well, that's it. There are those people who are zero-sexual who won't bring it to the bedroom. Or... Yes. Is it like, well, that's it. There's... In this kink, there are people who are zero-sexual, who won't bring that to the bedroom to sleep, and there are others who do. So you can mix. Well, it depends on who, you know... I have affinities with others, you know, it's strictly social.

Other more sexual. It really depends on the dynamic I have with the person. So you've already had sex with poppies, being you, master. Yeah. And you're seeing that. And you're seeing that. And well, porn too.

Porn too. Porn too. Yeah. Does your boyfriend, I don't know, but is he someone you can experiment with? Maybe. Maybe, potentially, we don't know. Potentially, maybe. Ok, perfect.

No, go ahead. It's because he didn't know this universe at all. You know, the open-minded couple thing, polyamorous, etc. You're polyamorous? Yes. Sorry, that's another thing. That's why I forget everything. I can't enumerate in one year.

I'll ask you questions. For the presentation. And then, OK. OK. And then, read it backwards. I think we could just let it go. Because I think that one year leave it there. I think it's because of the money. Exactly. It's not because we didn't do our homework.

I tried to say something and I ended up saying it on the spectrum. The spectrum of Simpton. The Simpton spectrum. Nice. We were talking about... Oh yes! Do you have other things? Do you have other things, other things, passion, out of the ordinary, other kinks that spread? That emerged after that.

That spread from the traditional community. Well, at the level of the kink, which is interesting, I have quite the bandage, like, to attach people. I really like that. Is it because of our podcast? Between us. She just wants to take it all in. No, no, no, between us. It's just like accentuated.

I agree. So, the bondage, I really like it. Breath play, I like that too. I really like, you know, it's animals. Let's put that in psychoanalysis. Let's do it. I imagine you've already done a little introspection about that. Is it, well, like, about what's burning you in there?

Yeah, it comes from where, that's it. I also like to understand the source, even if it's not the source. Well... I have a theory. Go ahead. You'll tell me, yeah, we'll fix your business. No, no, it's... You're not a psycho.

Because it's not your fault, you know. Because I think I have the same theory as you. Go ahead. No, but you don't have the impression that there might be an aspect that you could have been perceived as a prey all your life? Because you're not in the room where you're certain. Because you want to be a master, because you want to be the person who grieves, you understand? I also asked myself the question at one point, but I learned to be abstract from my state versus my desires. You know, I'm a master poppy, so I like to be dominated as much as I like to be dominated.

So my chum is more on top with me than the opposite. I'm a little bit like, in a dynamic, depending on what I want, what I know is that, mostly speaking, in the world of kink, I'm a little bit more done than anything else. I understand. Than on the Vanné side, like... Ok. And you had already talked about that. When you were doing your therapies, was there something you were approaching? Because it's like kings, sometimes you say, yes, crime is an homage. Did you already ask yourself questions about...

I have the impression that he learned later. Oh, it's true. Because you don't consult your therapy anymore. Well, I still do it. Because I get bored. I'm like, hello, updates. She doesn't say anything anymore. You've all succeeded. She's like, in my office. I just want to talk and she takes notes. She's like, I think she has her therapy too.

It's clear. But... Once again, I forgot the question. Sorry. No, no, we were... It was about... Not published, I totally understand. It looked like people who don't live it and just listen to podcasts,

were like, let's see. When you live it, it's crazy. When I left, I was like, I was going to live something transcendental. Transcendental. Transcendental. Transcendental. We lived another... It's like we were changing planets.

I noticed. It's like I had a completely different life. The moment of a day, and I was like... No more me. I was a different me. I was looking at my boyfriend differently. I was like, he'll never understand. I was like, I'll never... I'll never be able to live that. You know, I was like, he'll never understand. I know, I'll never, I'll never be able to live that way.

You know, I was really, this is something that Joanie and I, we're just going to have for the rest of our lives, these kind of precious moments that no one can touch, you know. It's really because of what it does, it's crazy. It's very intimate. It's crazy. Yeah, we lived in intimacy. Like, how can I say this? It seems like it accentuates the introspection you can have towards yourself and others.

It leads to such profound communication that it's difficult to describe. Because it's really like in terms so simplified, you know, when you jab, like... When you jab, you know... Let's say you're happy, you're in love. It's very real, that kind of relationship. And that's what I really like about Popi Play. So, yeah. And to get out of the life made by being human.

To get out of that mold that was created for us, but that in the moment, you can just be, like, do what you want, be who you want, do what you want, and it's certainly ladies if you want, you know, it's maybe not ladies for real, but it's people who are annoying. It's, I understand, we understand. It's for once, we can tell you, we understand. There's another aspect that's like... The fact that I think all the time in life. That's one of my flaws. I think so much that it's too much.

And sometimes I think of something and I'm like, OK, but what you mean, do you mean the sky, the earth, things like that. It doesn't matter. And then it puts me a little down to earth. It kind of grounds me a little bit on my life. And then when I think of the bed play, I'm like, OK, OK, calm down. Just be. And don't ask too many questions. Communicate. And trust. You're really fascinating.

Thank you. It's crazy. There are so many interesting faces to act. You? It's your childhood. How do you present yourself to the world, how you... You know, you express yourself well, you're like... Thank you. You know, what you do in life, that's all, you're really hot. Thank you.

I hope you know. You could... You never wanted to do these kinds of small conferences. Well, yes, you should have so much... You should be a public personality, because you watch TV and sometimes see someone you feel represents you? I mean, no? Well, on some aspects. There should be ten people. Yes, that's it.

We represent each aspect. Well, with everything I've experienced, it was something that interested me because it was something that could help society. I visualized it more like that, but I seized the opportunities that I had. You created that opportunity. That's what's crazy. Before I created you, I was like, OK. You know, you have your Patreon and everything. And I was like, if I don't do anything, nothing will happen.

So I was like, hey, hello. And I was talking about it with one of my friends. And she was like, are they going to sign you up? And I was like, I don't know. I wasn't trying to make myself wait too long. avec une de mes amies pis elle était comme, là c'est ceux qui vont t'embarquer pis tout, pis j'suis comme, ah je sais pas là, tu sais j'essayais pas trop me faire d'attente finalement. J'étais comme, je te l'avais dit. Ben oui. Ben oui. C'était honnêtement, c'est ce, tu représentes, parce que même si toi mettons, tu dois regarder

comme 10 personnes pour pouvoir te sentir représenté, toi là tu peux aider à donner You have to look at like 10 people to feel represented. You can help give a voice to so many people, so many communities, so many who can see you and be like, wow, you know, whether it's on the spectrum, trans identity, nannism, nannism is the right word, you know, sexual orientation, the LGBT community, the BDSM community, it's crazy, everything you can represent for so many people, your voice is fucking important. And thank you for writing, thank you for accepting to be here, it's extraordinary. You don't realize, but it's really, it's crazy important. We need you in the public space. Thank you.

No, really. Even someone who feels different, who feels misunderstood, you can touch everyone, literally. I tell myself that every problem or difficulty to overcome is valid, and everyone can live it the way they live it. But I tell myself that my situation is just visible. So it's easy to be like, ah, poor person, she lives so much business, and you know,

people are automatically in apathy because of that, but someone who lives something I think that it's difficult for him too. Personally, what was more difficult for me was my transition because I wasn't myself. The fact that I wasn't myself affected me so much psychologically that I wanted to get rid of life. You know, like mental health is so important. Like, I can't say that everything I've been through is more difficult than other people's because it's just, for me, it's just more visible. You know, I was talking about people who like they have empathy because you're visible. And I understand what you mean, but...

What I thought about right away is that it should be easier for you to have empathy for what a lot of people can... And you said that you're someone who has a bit of the saviour syndrome that you wanted to save. Because you have so much reality that you can understand or that, you know, at different degrees, but that you can do like, ah, that up to a certain point. So there are so many people for whom you can have empathy and understand. And that's what's special, especially because it gives you a kind of depth in front of others, really, that many people can never reach. Because you're in front of us and you explain to us who you are, the different things. And as much as we can have empathy or try to understand, there are many things that...

You know, we could never have the depth on many things like things like you, you, you, you, you know? That's what's crazy. It's like... It's really a kind of super power to have access to time. I don't know how to explain it. Well, you know, I don't expect others they understand because they have lived it. For me, the important thing is more... Let's say if I don't feel good, the person is able to do like... Hey, can we sit down and talk?

You know, like... I know it's going to do you good. Or, you know, you don't have to understand exactly what the person has experienced, but just being there, talking and knowing that you have a presence with someone and that the person is there to accompany you, not necessarily your therapy or whatever, but just the presence, I find that it has as much impact as... Let's say someone who lives in the same place as me, but who doesn't have any values and who is in my bag,

I'm like, OK... Who brings it all to his experience, to him or her. Or like who is a little in the negative, who is very... You look like a person who is very luminous, who goes towards light. Someone who lives the same thing as you, but who is more... Yes, you will want to help him, but if at some point... Do you want to have a tendency to stay, to want to continue or at some point... What was difficult was that with all the humiliation I've had, I had people in my life that I had to...

Not that I'm getting embarrassed, but... You're cutting the cord. I can't explain it to them when they don't understand. I'm moving forward in life. I can't stay stagnant. I'm not able to do that. It's difficult for the other person because she doesn't understand. She's in confusion. We were together during the times when there were abuses there were, let's say, abuse or whatever, and then we'd talk, and then it really wasn't my reality. But then I tried to bring the person back, like, so that she could get out of it too,

but then she was more like, ah, well, then, a little more victimized. I'm not saying that, like, you know that what happens to the person is not fun. But we have the power to do what we do next. When you're a child, you don't really have the power to do what you do. The child won't come out of his little bag and say, OK, ciao. But, you know, to a certain extent, well, that's it. For me, yes, I'm afraid. Well, you're not a rapper either, so... Yes, but I had the reflex to do that.

I was like... My life was centered on that, you know, on helping the world, but I didn't necessarily think of myself. You know, so now I'm discovering that, precisely, the fact that I take care of myself, that I have a healthier network, it helps me to flourish and give a discourse that is a little healthier, let's say. You've made a lot of decisions that take a lot of courage, whether it's working in the field of video games, or going forward with your transition, following your desires as a king. These are all things that require you to get out of your comfort zone and move on to something new,

which is like... I don't think it's difficult to do for anyone. Yeah, well, there's like... Well, I'll give a concrete example. It's very funny. You know, in society, I can still have quite frequent looks, because you know, I'm not a very conventional person, we get along. So, you know, when people look at me, I don't know why.

It's weird. Do they think it's weird that I measure myself three feet seven? Or is it because of the dog mask that you have on your head? Or because people think I'm cute. I don't know why people look at me. I'm like, well, they're looking at me. Imagine, from day to day, there would be no one looking at you. How would you live with that?

Do you think it must be weird? Yes, of course it must be weird. All your life, you're like... And from day to day, there's no one looking at you. You're like, well, I did it wrong. Well, I think it will take some time to get used to it. So it never bothered you? Or people who pretend...

That's what I would hate. I'm like, look at me. Don't pretend to hide to look at me. If you want to look at me, look at me. There was one who took a picture of me once. I was like, this is my limit. Did you text her? Yes, yes.

How? I was like, are you filming me? Impossible. He was like, no, no, no. He was young. What do you want to do with that? Show your cousin that you saw someone who looks like him? I wouldn't think so. Once again, it comes back, why are you looking at me? What do you want to do with that? Show your cousin that you've seen someone who looks like him?

Once again, it's up to you. Why are you looking at me? I don't know if it's because you're looking at me or because I'm weird. I think it's because... Okay, I'll say... Surely curiosity. Yeah, because every time I meet a person with a small head, it There's someone that we don't see often. It's like naturally, and it's not by judgement, it's not by... It's like naturally, check. It's just that. The eye is not used to it, so it looks like when we see something new. Same thing with that, we would see a pink dog.

Are you comparing people with pink dogs? Same thing with if we saw a pink dog. You know, I want a pink dog. Are you comparing people with pink dogs? No, not really! In the sense that, you know, we're not used to it. Let's say we're really people who don't judge the puppy play. But we arrive at an event where there are lots of puppies that come in. That's what we're looking for. That's it. Let's what we're doing. Yeah, that's it.

Yeah, that's the example. It's like, even personally, it happened to me. I was in Mexico and I met a person from Petite Aie. And precisely, this person was like, hey! We were like, hey! You know, like, it's like, it's like, it's true, there are other people like us. You know, right? And do you imagine how it would be the other?

Every time we see someone our size. We're like, hey! The space is so big, it would be heavy for me too. I think it was the first time I met one. So, you know, at that time you're just like... You know? About the same guy? I don't think so. but it was just funny.

I was in a group and all of a sudden... So it's easy to go... The little one appears. Oh, well, for real, thank you so much, Josh. What I'd like us to do... What I'd like us to do, again... Again... Yes, yes, really. What I'd like us to do-up play again. Again? Yes, yes.

What I'd like to do is to allow people under this video to ask you questions and invite you back. Would you be comfortable with that? Yes, of course. I'd really like that because I feel like you have no limit, not to you, but to the subject that we can address in relation to you. I feel like we've been pitting everywhere, without any dives. So I would really like to know if it's helpful to our friends, auditors, to go deeper. Perfect.

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Not because of your labels. Physically and psychologically. Thank you. I learned to recognize that too. I'm something else. My state. Well, for real, you make us discover and you make people realize that that's it. See, we're criminals, we're more than that. Everyone is more than that.

We can be more than what we project. And not to be so... to stop, basically. We close our eyes, everyone. Close your eyes. And learn to listen to people and talk. There's good in a lot of people. Not in everyone, but in a lot of people. Like you. A beautiful person. Thank you. Is there anything that we put in bio? Maybe your Instagram links. Is there anything else you'd like us to share?

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