Sexe Oral - Homophobie intériorisée & le coming out inattendu de Xavier Roberge

Episode Date: July 10, 2025

Les propos exprimés dans ce podcast relèvent d’expériences et d’opinions personnelles dans un but de divertissement et ne substituent pas les conseils d’un.e sexologue ou autre professionnel de la santé. Cette semaine sur le podcast, on reçoit le comédien et animateur de podcast Xavier Roberge. Il se confie sur son parcours marqué par l’homophobie intériorisée, l’acceptation de soi et ses premières expériences. Il partage avec franchise les moments de doute, ses relations, et les tabous qui entourent encore la sexualité et l’identité LGBTQ2SIA+. Au programme: - L’impact de son éducation et de la perception de ses parents - Ses premières expériences de coming out et leurs effets sur ses relations - Des anecdotes marquantes sur la sexualité, le dating et la honte - Sa vision de l’émancipation et de la représentation LGBTQ2SIA+ Pour suivre Xavier: https://www.instagram.com/xavier.roberge/ https://www.instagram.com/mythomanepodcast/  Le podcast est présenté par Éros et Compagnie Utiliser le code promo : SEXEORAL pour 15% de rabais sur https://www.erosetcompagnie.com/ Les jouets dont les filles parlent: https://www.erosetcompagnie.com/page/podcast  Pour collaborations : [e-mail] Pour toutes questions : [e-mail] Pour suivre les filles sur Patreon : patreon.com/sexeoralpodcast Pour contacter les filles directement, écrivez-nous sur Instagram : instagram.com/sexeoral.podcast

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Yes. I have some texts that were made at the code. And you can go to the website hérosecompagnie.com. A production of the SF Studio. Today, on the podcast, we receive the beautiful, the extraordinary, the kind, the sweet Xavier Roberge who comes to talk to us about inner homophobia, something he has experienced. He talks to us about how it may have been expressed for him as a teenager, how he had his awakening, he accepted it, and he's still in this process of emancipation in his sexuality.

He was so generous with us, he gave us a lot and we didn't expect that. That's what I tell him, when we have public personalities who come to our podcasts, sometimes we don't dare to go to certain places to not... Because it's more touchy, but he was really generous with us. And it was super relevant. And I really think he's going to be people. Really. We love him a lot. So give him love in the comments.

Congratulations again and thank you for coming. Today on the podcast, Joannie, we are with someone we like, who's nice, who's beautiful, like a cake. We're with Xavier Rebelle! Yeah! Thank you, Léa. Hey, I'm finally here. Finally. It's so hot. But it's so nice.

We can't wait to talk to you. To hear about the story. But for the people who follow you, you're co-host of the podcast, Miitomane. Exactly. Miitomane Podcast. I love it. That you came, by the way, and you the podcast, Mito Man, Mito Man Podcast. Exactly, I love it. That you came by the way, and you gave us a whole show, it didn't make sense.

I talked to your father in that podcast. Hey, that's not funny. I think my father would be good, but I think he'd be really good. Assexual? Yeah. No, you, in your podcast. Ah, in my podcast.

But you came to your podcast? No. Hey, that would be a good concept. Well, yes, that would be great.. He just told us the story of his... How do you say it? A siphon? It doesn't make sense. Yes, he's going to say it, it's really true.

Yes, he told me on the phone. I think that... To fall on a siphon. Yes, but there's a big ass, my father. It's like... It's sure if he fell, I would have seen it. But it has to go in the same way. Yes, but when you slide, it's like...

It slipped towards that. Hey, naive. Hey, no, I told you. I don't believe it either. Well, no. I really believe it. Your father, he went into a sinkhole. No!

And he didn't know how to address it because he had to go to the hospital. But if it had never been caught... That's it, it wasn't the first time. It wasn't the first time. I didn't talk about this podcast. Excuse me. It might not have been the first time. I didn't talk about this podcast. I was just talking about the Mutoman podcast.

Well, go listen to the Mutoman podcast to know what it is about. Now he knows that it's true, that his father is really a great person. We had already talked about it. Xavier, thank you so much for being here. We are really happy. How are you doing? I'm doing great. I don't know when summer will come, but summer is starting.

It's beautiful. I'm really happy to be here today to talk about my story. It's been a long time. I seriously thought that I would never be able to sit in public and talk about this side of my life. Never, never, never. It's crazy that I'm here today. I'm really proud of myself for being here. But it's like, wow, never, never, never, I would have written that. How long have you been at the stage where you think you're capable of talking about it?

Really recently. I would say since I was with my current boyfriend, so about a year, I would say. That I'm able to name him, and even name him, like, it might be one of the first times I name him, let's say, that I'm gay. Like, it's strange, but it might be one of the first times. In my life, you know, this time, you know, it's crazy. It's crazy, crazy, crazy. Can I ask how old you are? Because you really had a fish skin. Yeah, well, I have a fish skin because I have an audition for a show, a show I leave after.

So I'm like, all shaved, you know, like, I like it because usually I have a little mustache and like... But I'm 23 years old. You're 23, yeah. I'm 23 years old. I wouldn't have... I would have given you, I would have given you like 28. For the background, I think that's cool.

And the maturity... Often, at my birthdays, I ask, and they're like, you must be 29. And I'm like, I'm 22 this year. No, no, no. I'm 29. That's it, 29! There's no riddle on that. I admit, I admit.

Xavier, your story begins where? I think I was born in Montreal. But I come from Vaudreuil. So for those who don't know, it's like 45 minutes from Montreal. In the forest, a beautiful house over there. And my journey, well... Well, I want to know, because I always make links with youth, with childhood, with parents. So for me, it's important to know

where this fear comes from. The fact that you can't talk about it, that you didn't even want to admit it, where does it come from? What is your childhood, your parents? I have a very good family, I love my parents, but I think I come from a place where it's less accepted, and more prejudices related to that. I imagine that today it's different, but in 2002, 2003, it was... It's still the same.

And I started my own nursery and there were only girls. So I think I spent 2 or 3 years before I turned 4, I don't know, from 2 to 4. There were only girls, so we were like 10, 9 and a guy. So I think that quickly, girls played like, you know, Frisbee, La Pouliche or whatever, and there were all kinds of little guys, but like, let's see, I would have been in the neighborhood, playing with the little car and the guy stuff, I mean, I started playing with dolls, and I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I mean, I started playing with dolls. And I was so scared. I tripped so hard.

And I quickly understood that I was a little bit the only one who liked those things. And I liked it, I cried because my parents didn't want to buy me a doll that peed. It was my dream. And he was like, no, we're going to buy you Lego. Which I loved, by the way. So it started the same. I understood that it wasn't right. Not that it wasn't right, but that I was a little different, and I was like, oh, okay, now it's starting to question you.

So I think it's at this age that I did like, okay, I like that, but now I have to try to remove the rest, everything that goes through. Let's say, I'm a little hot, but I'm not able to fold my legs like that. Like, because when I was young, like, you know, I'm able if I put myself together, but when I was young, I was always the same, and then I was like, hey no, I can't do that because it looks more feminine, or the world will make comments on the fact that you're gay,

you cross your legs the same, so I'm the same. Like, it's dumb, but it's comment on the fact that you're gay, you meet people the same way. So I'm the same. It's dumb, but it's like all the details I did when I was little so that people don't look at me differently. And also... There's a moment of surprise. Oh my god, thank you so much. And also I think I grew up... The main thing is that I grew up with the kind of concept...

Me, my dream, and it's still today, was to have a woman, a garden and children. It's still today. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. It was like... Like, since I'm 5 years old, I talk about it to my parents. I'm like, that's what I want. It's kind of the model of my parents, I think.

I was like... I know that if I have these three things in life, for 5 years, I tell myself, if I have these three thingsai ces trois affaires-là dans la vie, depuis cinq ans, je me dis si j'ai ces trois affaires-là, je vais être là le plus heureux sur la planète. Puis là, rapidement, j'ai grandi, puis là, je suis comme, non, je ne stique à ça, je stique à ça, je ne stique à ça, puis là, rapidement, je suis comme, la maison, c'est très faisable, l'enfant faisable, un petit peu plus compliqué, puis l'affaire, je suis comme, ah, okay. So I think it was mostly, in fact,

I think apart from that, the inner struggle that I kept until I was 17, 18 years old. Do you think that the moment you had the impression that it wasn't right, it's because you wanted, let's say, a doll and it was rejected. For you, was it one of the first signs of why there's a step back in relation to that? Well, probably in the sense that,

I remember, I remember in MacDowell, I don't know if it's still like that today, I think it's maybe mixed toys now, but in MacDowell, there were the boys toys and the girls toys. And then the girls toys were like a doll with five sandals, an arm, a manor. And then the boys toy was a little Pokemon card.

I was like, you're kidding me, I don't want the little Pokemon card. Hey, I'm the police, I'm going to play so much with. So there, I remember, I asked my dad, let's say, hey dad, can you ask the girls toy? I already knew that, but I was whispering, I asked my dad, Hey dad, can you ask him for a girl's toy? I already knew that, but I was whispering, I wasn't talking too loud. I remember I asked my dad, I love my dad, but it still marked me. He turned around and said,

Oh, my little boy wants a girl's toy? You don't want to ask him yourself? Oh, my little boy wants a girl's toy? He had done a deal with me and I was like, Oh my God, so embarrassed. I trusted my parents and I was like, oh my God, so embarrassed. I trusted my parents and I was like, this relationship is okay, but now that you say it, there are a lot of people, there is a line. Everyone is looking at me, this little guy of 6-7 years old, he plays with girls toys. And I could never ask again after.

It's not there. There was a problem at the same time, I don't want it because this trouble makes me love my parents so much. In the sense that, let's say, yes, we were listening to a show and there were two guys kissing and it was like, oh my God, he's changing posts. That was me. Okay, okay, okay. And little bodies like there are still, you know, little okay, okay. Okay, okay. I'm all about the name. What I was afraid of was that he would change and put on white gloves when he spoke to me. That was my terror.

That this man sees me differently after he learns that I really am. When do you think you made the path in your head of like, ok, now I'm gay? At what age did you make it? Seriously, I think I have a podcast about lies, because I think I'm so good at lying to myself. I've been like... All my life, I've been able to convince myself that I wasn't gay. In the sense that I believed in myself.

In all the spheres of my life, I never said to myself, I was gay, it was impossible, I'm going to have a wife, children, a garden. But, every time... I started to mature very, very young. And every time I matured, on the other hand, it was always related to the guys. So it looked like this sphere, I was blocking, and I was actually allowing myself to live these experiences. And it's very funny because, yeah, that's it.

I started to mature very, very young. And you don't come when you're young, like 5-6 years old, let's say, like, you don't have sperm or whatever. And I promised myself that the day I was going to have something that was going to come out, let's say, Xavier, that means that you're too old, you can't afford to have these bad thoughts when you masturbate. It's impossible, you can't. And then I was like, and every time I looked, let's say, there's nothing. And then I was like, you can keep going, you can keep going. And then one day, I don't know, I'm 8 or 9, I don't remember. And then I was like, maybe I can keep going. So that was my very hidden, personal sphere.

Otherwise, in all other aspects of my life, I never, never, never said I was homosexual. It probably started in second grade 3 or 4, when I started to have a little more experience with that. I texted guys, I knew it. That's what's weird. I knew it on a sexual level, but I had an experience, let's say with a...

Well, my current boyfriend. It's my first experience eight or nine years ago, first time in my life. Yeah, it's crazy. It's like the love of your life. Yeah, but I was the classic guy who never disobeyed 95% and then down there... It's like the kind of... The kind of performer.

And when I met him, he was a bit of a dark guy who plays guitar next door, who made love with all the girls in school, the classic handsome guy, etc. And I met him because he was singing, whatever. And then it clicked. He was such a bad influence that I was like, I can't allow myself to live that. And in addition to doing my coming out, I'm so not ready.

So I kind of tossed that. I had a girlfriend after that for like six, seven months. And you know, that's it. Did you have experiences with a girl? I had small experiences, but when we came close to doing it, with that girlfriend I had after, I was excited, I think it was tempting to live that experience and to prove to myself that you're a man, you'll be able to do it. But I felt so bad about taking off his virginity. I said to myself, Xav, you already had experiences with...

You know you're going to dump her there one morning. I, like, you know it, that you're going to dump her there... ...one morning, you know? And I was like, you can't take that away from her. She has to let go of that experience with someone who... ...who will respect her. Well, you know, I respected her, but... ...who will like... Personally, I would really like to be more... ...verified by a gay man who respects me and who...

...the Vendor Marriage, at worst. Yeah, absolutely. Well, 100%. And you know, I think that... ...two, three weeks later......she did it with a guy who had, you know, like, absolutely. 100% and I think that 2-3 weeks after, she did it with a guy who had a lot of experience with alcohol and everything. And I was like, oh no, we could have shared this moment together. I think I would have really liked that. We salute her. But yeah, that's it.

And were you able to have an erection? Yes, absolutely. I think it was like... Do you consider yourself bisexual today? Well, I've been saying bi for a long time to say like, hey! It was my first thing. I never said gay. I said, well no, I'm bi. I was attracted to it. And maybe a little more towards guys. It was that, even in my entire school of theater. And it was often the case with my girlfriends, like, hey, we're sure we end up sleeping together during school.

And I was like, yeah. And I was like, that was the rumor. And I liked that. I was like, recently, not even two years ago, and I think that definitely I'm gay. I mean, there's nothing more beautiful than a woman in life, I think physically, but sexually, I... We're going to the other side, you know?

We don't choose those things. No, we don't choose. So, your... the great dark-haired... The great dark-haired. The great dark-haired, did he have... did he already have a relationship with a guy? I think he had had a little bit of a pee,pee, but no, he never had one. It was his first time, and after that, he never slept with a woman again. Oh, wow.

He fell in love with me. So you didn't have a fight for 8 years, and then we found each other. That's a bit sad. Is it because I tell myself... your story really looks like my little brother, and I visualize my parents in this situation, in relation to the girls' toys and all that. My little brother liked to do it. He was sad because my parents didn't want to buy it.

Do you feel that your mother or your father at some point had doubts? Yes. They never talked about it. But you know, I mean... And again, I'm sure there are lots of straight guys who say that, but I loved pink, you know, and it seems like I never hid that aspect. Like, I've always said,

Oh, but no, I like it because I like it, and it's because I went to a gallery where there were just girls. And maybe it's really because of that, I don't know. But I put myself on top of that, so I didn't really hide it. So my parents accepted it, I think. And I've always been, you know, the guy from Tead who does improv. He's maybe a little bit like me, but it's just because he likes the arts a lot. And that's another reason, in fact, I realize why I was hiding it.

It's that I started acting very early. And in my head, if people knew I was homosexual, I would just have homosexual roles. I still think about it a little today, in the sense that I think that casting directors have some trouble imagining themselves. So if I was fully assumed, I have the impression that it would block roles. In any case, I thought about it for a long time. Check the guy in Pritchettton. Full straight in the show and there would be a gay, flamboyant guy. Full. Is that what it is in Quebec?

Maybe. I don't know. I wonder. I wonder. We are always the same type of casting. Here, we don't allow... you know, it's a lot... our actors in Quebec are very, very strong, but it's a lot of the person they are. I would say I have the impression.

You know, it's a lot. Casting is what we see. Now it's different, I see empathy, it's big character creation and everything, but yeah. Empathy. It was good, it doesn't make sense. I'll never come back. I wrote in Florence, I'm a big fan.

It doesn't make sense. This game fascinates me. This game fascinates me. In any case. It's the best actress I've ever had. It doesn't make sense. Even beyond the world, in the U.S. U.S.

I also have a question about homophobia. Do you, since your father had calls, do you grow up having homophobic comments? 100% Do you feel bad? Yeah, well, I don't think I had any...

I think I had calls with my friends. That was humor in the past too. Yeah. But I've always had a... I've always had a look a little... I think it's really towards me. But yes, actually, since I was stuck in there, when I saw people, they, emancipate themselves

in their homosexuality and assume it, whatever, I think, yeah, I had a kind of like, ah, that's weird, why is he assuming himself? Why does he feel the need to do parades? Yeah, exactly. And at the same time, I'm still a little bit in there today, but less in judgment, in the sense that I find it full nice that all these people, and I think there are some who need it

because we have to defend our entire community and we still have so much to do that because we need to defend our community. We still have so much to do to be accepted. But I, intrinsically, I feel like, I don't know if it's because I've been repressing them for so long, but I don't feel like it's part of my first identity. Often when I introduce myself, I don't go like, Hey, my name is Xavier Robert, I'm homosexual. I have friends, and even today, I don't hide it, but one day it comes into a discussion,

Oh yes, my chump, it's like, oh, you're gay? Oh, well, yes. It's not part of, like, I'm more and more accepting of it, and I find it fun, I'm excited, I get more informed too, and I think it makes me grow a lot. But I don't know if I would go to a parade. No, I understand. It's a classic.

Yes, but at the same time, I think it's beautiful, I think it's fun. But would I go like, I don't know, it looks like I don't see myself in this... Maybe in a year, on the contrary, I will have grown so old that I'm going to be old, but I have some... I have some misery understanding all the codes of this community, or the stereotypes of these codes. I've had experiences that make me like, ah, I have things that block me a little. You don't necessarily recognize yourself? Well, let's just say, dating life, I'm out of a relationship, in fact, before my current boyfriend, I don't necessarily know. Let's just say, dating life...

I'm from a relationship, actually, before my partner, I was from a five-year relationship where it was completely hidden. Where we had the same vision of the thing, he's an actor too, we didn't have to be seen in public together, we didn't have to let people know. We bought a condo together and everything. And there are still people today who are like,

what? You were dating that person? And I'm like, yes, we were dating for five years. And we didn't hold hands. It was like really... And I was telling myself I was right in there. Now I realize when I'm out of that, I think I really needed to emancipate myself. And my current boyfriend allows me to do that.

And there's no shame in holding my hand. And I'm like, ah, okay. But the moment I wasn't in a relationship, it's so... You know, I spent my 17 years and my 22 years in a relationship and now I'm going out in the dating life gay. Hey, that's a lot of codes, that's a lot of things that I don't know at all. Zero and one bar.

Example, give us some dating examples. Let's say the first date I did after being in a relationship. I texted the guy and I was a big romantic in life. I think it's Inge. The classic guy, Clamain has some Inge experience. Here, the quadriles. I think there's even a star. I don't know how it works.

But I text her and I'm like, hey, don't worry that I'm organizing the day of the century. I'm going to organize the perfect date. And like, I have experience, it will take a lot of time. I don't have a lot of experience in dating life, but for what you live, a phenomenal experience, I'm the ideal person for you. And like, okay. I'm like, let's go, Xavier, I'm the ideal person for you. And like, okay. I'm like, the day you have me, I'm going to get excited like shit. I'm going to look for him like an hour away.

I'm going to watch go-kart, planetarium. I think it cost me 400 dollars. Not to do by the way. I don't recommend it. For a first date. For a first date. I was crazy. I was like, I want to live.

And I never did that. We didn't know how to talk about it before. Finally, the person, wow, a lot of misery. Not so much anyway. Not your kind. Well, not person, wow, a lot of misery, not so much. Not your kind? Not my kind, but also at the level of charisma, it's like, he didn't laugh once the whole date and I was like, I'm not the funniest person in the world, but force me a little sometimes.

But anyway, I was like, hey, I'm going to go until the end, and then I'm going to take him home. Then we're in the car and he asks me. I'm going to take the car. Yeah. Just before he says, he says, Before we arrive, are you top or bottom? Then I'm like...

Well, I said, to be honest, I don't know. My last relationship was more experimentation. I don't really know, but I'm open to finding out if it's well done. And he says, OK, because I'm really just great. Oh my God. OK. I've never talked about sexuality either. In life in general, with my ex, we didn't talk about it, we did it.

So I was like, OK, great, it's like... And then he says, but you're... And then he points at my butt. I was like, are you... Are you clean? Then I do... A... Well, I...

And I had never, never, never taken a shower. I understood the concept. But in my head, I was like, it's been 6 or 7 hours since we've been together. I don't really understand the principle. I didn't understand the principle, but I was like, if I had done it the morning, clearly after 7 hours... Anyway, I didn't understand anything.

But then I said, well, no. We spent the day together. And it's like, oh, okay. Now I'm a mother, you know. I spent a day, it cost me 400$. I'm the little baby in the car. And now I'm like, well, we can still do shit. You know, I say that. Because in my head, we're not obliged...

In my head, all the sexual relations I had, I didn't have to go through penetration. The majority of my relationships were shit. For me, he was like, ah, I'll never get married. Stop it! How old is this guy? I don't know, 21. Okay, okay.

21, the same age as me. And then I'm like... Okay... I was like, 2 minutes to finish this discussion, I didn't understand. He changed his mind, it was like... It was like, I was going to kill him. And then he was like, you know what? Let's do it.

He got up, opened the door and he clapped. He didn't even turn around and went home. I'm like, fuck, in my car. You see, I didn't understand. I was like, is there a code that I should have understood by text that it was a date for us to fuck and that I should have cleaned myself? I didn't understand that at all. Is that Inge? But it doesn't seem like Inge, it's Full Pig or Grinder.

No, it's Grinder. And that's another thing. I don't understand Grinder either. Grinder, I think that's what it is. It's a strange Grinder. And I have no judgment for those who use it Grindr either. Grindr is a strange name. It's a strange Grindr, and I have no judgement for those who use it, I have a lot of friends who use it. But me, let's say, see a queue, with no name, no face, and we see each other the same evening to fuck,

and I come back home, I'll say I'm going to use my phone, I'm going to masturbate, in the sense that I need a link. I need a little insight at least insight, and I find you attractive. I think I need to love the person in a way. It can be just a little soup, but I don't understand that. I think it's a bit of the same principle as going to the renard, meeting someone and going to the... I have misery. I never really experimented and the only times I experimented, I had...

I think that... Let's say I went to Unity twice, which is a dance board, and the first time I went, I was like, Hey nice, so many nice people, everyone is beautiful, everyone dances, we don't care if it's pop. Yeah! And then I was with my friends and there's a guy coming up in front of me that I hadn't seen before, and he's hitting my ass. Oh my. Same thing. Wow.

I'm freaking out. I mean, he's got his hand on my pocket. How old are you at this point? 20 years, roughly. 20 years. It's been like 23, it's been 3 years. Yeah. I'm freaking out And I'm like...

I'm not afraid to say no to envy. That's my big problem. Today, I think I would react, but I'm like, I'm not afraid, and they fix me. Yeah, we're in the same boat. I'm like, what's going on? We don't know, like, look, and you approach quietly,

and even then I would have found that. I don't even know who you are. So I turned to my girlfriend's friend, You look at him and you approach him calmly. Even then, I would have found that... I don't even know who you are. So I turned to my girlfriend's friend and I started to flirt with her. Always with his hand on her ass. Let's see! And then he let go. But I don't understand why that's accepted.

I don't think it's accepted, but... Would a guy do that to a girl? Maybe. It's probably happening, but... Is that even possible? A girl goes into a dance and the guy grabs her... Sex? It's already happened.

Right away, there's a kind of... You don't do that. With the metoo, I'm like... Why is it that we still accept a guy? Or recently, three months ago, I retourne, je laisse une autre chance. Je m'en vas faire pipi dans l'urinois, y'a personne, je pisse, deux, trois secondes après je me retourne et y'a deux gars de même qui sont en train de me regarder, c'est pas genre ils se sont mis à côté, ils me regardent, j'en train de pisser, j'peux pas, comme quoi?

Genre vous avez, hein? Y'a have... huh? I don't understand that. So it's like, more accepted, less cancelable, even a little bit. What do you think about that? Well, I know... At the same time, are you codes? Is it just me who experienced that? And, ah, no, Xavier, that's really not it. For me, it's the experiences I've had, you know. And I imagine that it's really not always like that, but...

Are you codes like... In the end, we may have looked at each other for a second, but I don't think so, and then, ah, it gave her the impression. That's how I never experienced it when I was younger, so I get into that world, and there are things that shock me a little, that in my head generalize, that shouldn't be generalized probably, but... Well, or unity, we'll find out. Well, I don't know, That's what I've been through. I think it's a bit like what we see. I don't know if it's ancient yet. A girl who kicks a gay man's ass. That, I think it's more frequent. Let's say I've seen it more.

But a guy who punches the penis of another guy, I don't think it's frequent. I worked in unity it's common. I worked at Unity when I was like a year old. And it was really... You know, I was 19 and they made me work in underwear. There were sex and the Unity parties. And it was really... In a bobette?

Yeah, I worked in underwear. Wow. Did you know that people made love there? No, they didn't make love, but it was when people made love over there? No, they didn't make love, but it was like, you arrive and you're undressed. And there's already, I've never seen this, but I know there's already been shows, like people who run on mattresses. Wow. That's the vibe a little bit. Well, it's like, not all the time.

Because, yes, the concept is that you go there to dance. It's not... But I think that in the gay world, there is this that exists, maybe, potentially. In the sense that I find it alone. Transsexualized. But it's okay that I feel it's sexualized, in the sense that...

For me, it's more the aspect of consent. That it seems that I understand... I find think we've evolved so much from that, that I don't understand why this aspect hasn't evolved. Or at least I haven't felt it. I think it's maybe a matter of dominance. In the sense that it's so clear for society that a man dominates women. So from man to man, it's like a kind of challenge,

a kind of... And obviously, I don't know what I think. No, no, no, absolutely. But maybe, but there's also... Maybe because dominance, there's another aspect. At 15, 16, I started getting texted by men of 45, 50 years old. And people from nowhere, no one, like men every day. And also people with more public personality or comedians that I want to be.

And at 15, you get texts from these men. You're beautiful, wow, you're so good, hey, that's impressive. Wow, in any case, a whole shape. You know, like, a little sexualizing comments or who... How old were you? 15 years, maybe, 15, 16 years. And I'm like, wow, this person finds me to be her type. That's for sure I succeeded in life.

I was like, wow! This person that I'm like, in my head, is one of the best actors or someone influential in the industry. I'm like, I get texted by this person, he comments all my stories, sometimes he puts little aubergines. It goes until then, and I find it pretty hot. There's all this kind of stuff, and so on. But now, let's say I'm old, and I'm like...

Wouldn't it be acceptable for a 50-year-old man to text a 15-year-old girl? We'd say no, no, no. It's my experience, but I have a lot of friends who were like that when he was young. So it's really large, but the pedophilia, it seems to be more accepted. Why? Is it because it's a young man and young men? If it was a woman who would look like a young man, maybe it would be a little more accepted. I don't know, but there's that I don't understand either.

I don't think it's more accepted. It's just that it's less spoken. There are fewer men who talk about it because they have... First, there's a shame, there's a bigger shame, I feel like. And we received a man who lived that, from pedophilia. And that's what he says, he doesn't talk about it. Women, it seems that we're like... We've talked about it more.

Maybe. So it's not that it's more accepted, it's just that it's just less spoken. So you have the impression that... It's more taboo. But it's important to talk about it and to denounce it. It's so important and it's important to understand. Because I lived through... In fact, it makes me realize, a little like you say, we forget it so much. And there, I don't want to give too much details,

but my first real experience, let's say on a sexual level, it was a trip. My parents, I don't know if they listen, but one of my first trips to Cuba when I was like 12 years old, I saw this homosexual couple, and it was the first time I saw a couple holding hands, kissing, and I was like, oh my God! It was so exciting, so fascinating.

I had never really met any gentlemen or whatever, and quickly they saw my interest because I was watching them. How old were they? 35 maybe, 40. And you? I was about 12. And I mean, I had a minors bracelet. I mean, I was sure I was a years old. I had a minors bracelet. I was sure I was a minors. I was 12 years old, but maybe 18.

Quickly, I was going to bathe. Then they came and they were taking their pants off. They were masturbating. Otherwise, I went to the bathroom. They were behind me and they were touching me. In my head, I was like, it's so hot.

It's fun. I'm living my... I'm living that a little bit, but in my head, I knew it wasn't right, but I was like, maybe I'll never live that in my life because I'm not gay, you know? So I'm like, I'm traveling, and there are these guys who find me their taste. There's no one who found me their taste, you know?

The girls all the time, they're my little guy shirt, you know? So after that, I was good, because it liked me, you know, the girls all the time, they're my little guy shirt, you know. So, I had... and after that, I was good anyway, because it escalated, a couple of things happened, but at the end of the trip, we got together in an elevator together, the three of us, and we went up to their floor, and they came out and said, are you waiting to come to my room? And I froze and I said...

No. But... And that there's a part of me that could have gone that day and I don't know what would have happened in that room. But it closed and... And anyway, but there's this, you know? And they... Like, they would have done that... I don't know, Ondrej. It's crazy, you know? Ondrej, it's... It's really zero.

You tell me that and I find it as horrible as it is. It's maybe the second time I talk about it in my life. Even my friends. It's something I forgot. I didn't experience it in a negative way. For me, it was so hard. It's weird.

You were 12 years old. Yes, 100%. To be the adult in this situation. But that's it. So I don't have the impression that it's more accepted. On the contrary, it absolutely shouldn't be, but that it's more... Hot. Like it's more...

It's more a fantasy, I have the impression. I don't know. The thing is because, you know... There can be little girls of 12 years old too, that at the moment have the impression that that's what they want. Because the adult who succeeds... You know, it's a position of dominance. It's like... The child is just not supposed to live on that.

So it doesn't matter the situation. But I understand what you mean in the sense that from your experience, it's maybe more... But that's what I think, as Joann said, it's maybe more taboo that's it, I think that, like Joannie said, it's maybe more taboo, so it's less spoken, maybe. And I lived it as a child, in the sense that... I'm 23. I would never understand the verses of me, let's say, texting little boys of 12, 13...

In the sense that, obviously, but I mean, I lived the nice part in a sense of like, are people higher up who find me to be their taste. It was confidence that it gave me, but it shouldn't, it's not normal. It's crazy. It's really touching because it exists in the sense that I don't have... I remember being little and having the attention of influential people, also known or older. And since they give me importance or find their taste, I had the impression that it gave me value.

But it's precisely because I was a child and you trust authority. So it doesn't make it something that's not a bit... In the sense that sometimes the trauma comes later. If you're still 5 years old, it's for sure that it has impacts. 100% and then you know, but I still talk about it today and I think it's important because if we have someone who is 12 years old, I don't think he listens to the podcast, but I'm going to say it's still present. But it's sure that we hear less about it, so we talk less about it. We often talk more about the little girl who is doing it. I'm in a wizard and it's a bit of a shock because I was in a wizard with my daughter and my little boy.

There was a man all the time in the pool, but I have a big radar like the universe. mon petit garçon. Puis il y avait un monsieur tout le temps dans la piscine, mais moi j'ai un radar gros comme l'univers là. Dès que il y a un monsieur tout seul, puis moi je l'ai spoté, je savais qu'il était tout seul, ça faisait deux jours qu'il était tout seul, il se baignait tout le temps proche des enfants, tout le temps. Puis il est tout seul. Puis à un moment donné je suis arrivée, on faisait genre un spectacle à l'extérieur, les enfants faisaient un spectacle, puis les gars sont partis écouter la game, moi j'étais

tout seul avec une de mes amies, puis je checkais les enfants. Le gars il est arrivé, le monsieur, il est arrivé, il s'est assis à côté de nous, The guys went to listen to the game. I was alone with one of my friends. I was checking the kids. The guy arrived, the gentleman. He sat next to us and he looked at the kids and he laughed. He smiled and I was like, hey, I'm going to go get the guys. I said, it's a pedophile. Excuse me, it's a pedophile. You know it. All week he's there. Even after, the guys after that, they said, sacrifice their hearts. week he's there. Even after, so the guys after that, they said, ''Sacrifice your heart.'' And if he's not a pedophile, well, it's someone with a retard who...

But I saw him in the water. He was close all the time. He was all alone. Who comes to a family resort? And that too, I think it should be forbidden. A man alone. Who should, sir, should not go to a resort with children.

Why would we do that? It's very common in resorts. It's a pedophile spot. It's very common. That's where they go all the time. It's a meme that they succeed. I was thinking about my daughter all week. Not about your little guy? No, not about my little boy. Because it was happening to me, and you were talking about that.

And it looked like my radar was watching my daughter more, and I didn't think about my little boy. But it looked like that. And since we're not talking about it, and thank you for talking about it, because it's just the right time to talk about it, we don't talk about it, so there's less. But probably there's not even less. It's just that men way to talk about it that we believe. We don't talk about it because there are less, but probably there are maybe even not less.

It's just that men don't talk about it. So thank you for doing it. It just makes my radar even bigger. I'm here for that. It just makes me stress a little more. If you allow it, it will help. It's really fun. I don't have a full introspection about all that,

but if I can share a little bit of my experience... It will help. It's just the fact that you're talking about it. It brings me back to the context that yes, it happens to little boys too. And that's why it's important that you talk about it. Do you remember after that, when your first had sex with someone you were... after that, it was good? Well, I'm talking about Zach, my current boyfriend. It was more like, it was short and sweet, and it wasn't...

I mean, the sexual awakening was there, but it was my first real boyfriend in Sondar 5. I knew it. The one you were with for five years? No, him, I was with you for five years? No, he was with me at the end of my fifth grade and the beginning of school. We started school together in Tehout. I was like, hey, I'm still a little homophobic. I was like, I don't want to be assimilated with a guy.

I want to go in and let people make their first contact with me without them saying, Ah, he's the gay guy. It didn't work. I was like, all my grade, I was Xavier. Why would I be gay? And probably that's not it, but in my head, he's gay. I didn't understand. I was like, all my time in the air, I was like, Xavier, why would I be gay? And probably that's not it necessarily, but in my head it was. So I left him the first day. Then a week later, I met my other...

my other... my ex, who I lived with for five years, because he was a finisher. Then I was like, oh, it seems like it's more accepted. It's a finisher that comes out with the preparatory case. My God. But so I would say that it was that first relationship, so on R5, where we got a lot of fun, I discovered, I loved it and it's with him in fact that I told my parents

the year before, but thanks to him I told my friends and he came to my ball. Like, that was crazy. Crazy, crazy, crazy. So that's where you, that's one of my questions when you announced it to your parents. My parents, I announced it the year before because there was Wow! I have a lot of friends, but a new friend I invite on February 14th, it's weird. You're in high school at that time? Yes, and I told my mom, I was struggling, I was struggling, I was struggling, I think I had more than 30 minutes to say, I was so scared.

And then I was like, it's my dad that I was scared. A little like I told you earlier, I was afraid he would change, I didn't want him to change. So I wrote a letter to my father the day after. By the way, yesterday I asked him, I was like, hey, do you still have that letter? And he kept it. And that's it, so I wrote the letter, I gave it to him, I came back upstairs, I was shaking, and I was waiting, I was waiting, I was waiting, I was waiting. Like 20 minutes after, we came and he said, I doubted it.

And I love you. And he gave me a hug. And we never and he said, I doubted it, and I love you. And he gave me a hug. And we never talked about it again after that. Never, never. I think yesterday was the first time that he said, he always accepted my friends. It never changed, nothing has changed. And I thought that was really great.

I was really lucky about that. He kept on making jokes like a phob with you. Yes, legit, a little, in the sense, no. But yes, classic calls like, it's when you want to have a little girl. He did that to me again afterwards. I was like, I didn't lose her. Same principle, I had a friend of my mother.

And I would have died. I know, but I liked that. Yeah, I was sure. He doesn't lose hope that giving a woman a house! Well, I was saying, little girl, but I think it was a lot of jokes that were going around it. And I had a friend of my parents who was a very mononcle.

I didn't have a mononcle mononcle, but he was very mononcle. I was really laughing. And I think he's one of the people I was most afraid of who changes his humor because he was like a trash humor. Not changed at all. And I find it fun. It was not against me. But I think it has to evolve.

Do not make these jokes necessarily. Because you like it, but there are some who do not. Exactly. But today it has changed. When I had his arcade. So yes, it's with him. And with him I had my first real sexual relationship.

Penetration. Yes, exactly. And... Listen to that if we talk about the one with whom you did your coming out. The one with whom I did my coming out. How was it? Wait, one more time, Momot. Let's see.

I'm going to punch you in the face. You're a jerk. I'm going to punch you in the face. You're a jerk. It was really fun. I always have a little bit of... I already find it very, very vulnerable. It's a position that I find very, very, very vulnerable. Even today, I really have the misery to take advantage of this vulnerability.

Duggy stage? Yes! But no, but without that... No, but yes, because there's... Hey, it's a joke with... No, but it's a joke with my chum. We ask... There are a lot of amyteros, me too. We ask, what do you think is the most vulnerable? To be brought in front of you or

to be at four feet away from you and crushed by the ground and... There, I... 100% put myself on someone's lap and I'm like... Come to someone and be like, come to me, I feel less vulnerable. But anyway, the majority of straight people, they answer, if I came to them, it would bother them less.

So I don't know if it's a link. You can lay on your back and not dance. For a girl, I think it's much more vulnerable to be made to come to me and do that. For a girl, I think it's much more vulnerable and insulting. Personally, if I was a gay man, because I'm not a gay man, the position I would like to see my man most is really lying on his back, with his feet in the air, and you see his penis, and you can masturbate at the same time. It's true!

No, it's not that. I don't think it's in the game, but it made me think of it. I think it's in the game. Joannie thinks that the guys have one position. No, no, no. There are two, finally. There are two. Two and a half, maybe, from time to time.

You're the one who's doing the anal. No? Yes. There are two positions, Joannie. No, I'm not very imaginative about anal annals. I would say it's like... There's not a single position that... It's okay. Yeah, yeah. I understand.

You can do everything. Yeah. Did you say at the beginning that you didn't know if you were more of a man or... Top or bottom. Top or bottom. Top or top. Top, top, top, top. Yeah.

Did you find the... Did I find the answer to the famous question? Yeah. Or are you still like... Well, I think that... Let's say the experience... Did you find the answer to the famous question? Well, I think that, let's say, my first experience was really the fun bottom. And after that, I think we never did it again, I think it was the only time we did it. After that, it was me who was doing great. And in all my other, let's say my five-year relationship, I've always had a hard time, it's never been really pleasant. So I was more in the mood to do it. And even today, in my current relationship,

I don't have fun. It seems to be bad. It hurts me. I haven't found the ease to do it yet, maybe because I don't do it often enough. But I don't have pleasure, it seems. My only pleasure, and why I would say that right now I'm more of a happy man in my relationship, is that my current boyfriend loves it, and me, feeling that he's excited and that he likes it, whatever, hey, I'm really excited. So it seems that I do it more for the excitement that it brings me than for the pleasure that it brings me.

It doesn't bother me, but hey, if I can avoid doing it, I do it. So I would say that right now it's more like 75, 25 tops, but we're working on our side to make it 50-50, which I would like more. But at the same time, it's touchy. It's so touchy, I find. Hey, I'm talking about it, it's crazy. How do you feel about that? It's strange. Even with my friends, I never talk about it.

I've always had mixed gags. And mixed gags, I don't know, girls and guys, we never talk about sex. I've never had a gang just of guys. I've never had a gang just of girls. All the time mixed. And I feel like we talk less about sex because of that. I thought that theater, because experiences... Theater is people who are very...

They are all together. Full, but I was in a couple and I didn't talk so much about my experiences. Oh no, I mean, orgy, patati, patata. My God, so much. I mean, theater is personal development, it doesn't make sense. But I didn't talk about it. I listened. Because I had a relationship. I didn't want to talk about my relationship.

But... But yes! But she talks about shit. She loves to talk about shit. Shit! I don't understand. Let's say we start... Silicon? Did you say silicon? No, but that's why you don't have a forehead.

That's why you don't have a forehead. That's why you don't have a forehead. That's why you don't have a forehead. That's why you don't have a forehead. That's why you don't have a forehead. That's why you don't have a forehead. That's why you don't have a forehead. That's why you don't have a forehead. That's why you don't have a forehead. That's why you don not going to be sad. The ball is hurting. Just to shower, let's say. You're starting to get excited with the other one. It's like, who is it?

Are you waiting for it? There he goes. I'm like... 10-15 minutes, I'm waiting for them to come back. Then it's like... Because of that, maybe the silicone would save me. I tried it myself, but I think it hurts too. I understand! It hurts, the other one, it's not fun. I don't know, maybe silicone would save me, I tried, but I think it hurts too.

I understand! Because it hurts, the other one, it's not fun, it's good, it's... You know, the excitement is not there from the beginning, you know? It's cruel! So there's this aspect that I have misery, I think it breaks, you know? That's it, that's it. And we don't have to take a shower, most of the, I'm like, let's go to the shower or like, you know, like, me. I never, I think you're still understanding what's going on.

And I personally, you know, I don't need a shower. Yeah, that's it. And there's no damage. That's it. You know, but because you know your body at some point. I'm really sorry, but yeah, I'm really... Well, you know your body, I understand, but you don't know your guts. Like, you can't know.

You know when you want to... You know your guts, you have a bond together. You're there, you say, I but you don't know your guts. You know your guts, you have a bond with each other. You're there, you say, I know you don't have guts in there. You know when you're ready to receive or not. You can check with a finger first. The basil cone is really essential. And I personally use a toy at the same time because it relaxes me. So, let's say you just... The thing is, you're not necessarily bound

while you're being put in the ass. Yes, he could, he clings to his masturbator while you're being put in the ass with silicone glue. That's because what I've heard about a man, it can... You know, to make you play in the buttocks, it can make you unbend, not because you're not excited, but it's not the same place you activated.

Yeah, but I would say that since I don't like that feeling so much, that it doesn't excite me, so I concentrate forward and it stays. I don't know what I'm saying. But you, let's say you don't have prostate or whatever, you're as fun as that. It's like it's sticking to the point G, but in another place. It's possible. It's the contraction that makes your orgasm stronger.

Because anal is a big contraction. So if you want a toy, your orgasm is really more... If I put a boot plug... I don't put a toy in, I always put a clitoris. No, that's it. But when you get penetrated, you put your toy clitoris. And your orgasm, when you have your orgasm. Let's say I get into a buttplug and I put a toy on my clitoris,

it takes a second. It's like magic. It's like when I come to you, I put it in my butt, and honestly, it's two minutes max. Wow! What a thing! I'm in a buttplug, I'm not talking about a penis. I wouldn't do a half hour anal seance. I bring the holy blood of life. It's like a long normal seance.

It's not worth it. We do everything. The preliminaries. But it's not every time. Once in a while I do the lube. Aren't you far away? Yes, pass me my jewel, the lube. And here we go. It's the same principle, aren't you far away? Yes, pass me my toy, the lube, and here we go.

That's the same principle, I have the impression, but we just don't have the other penetration. But you can do masturbation with your penis, it's pretty free, with a masturbator. You put some lube, and him with the silicone lube, it's like a mousse, I can't control. I'm tight. My favorite point is three guys, one on top of the other.

That's what I like the most about watching. I've never seen that. You've never seen that? Three guys on top of that? Yeah, I've seen that. Was it cool? I wonder what the guy in the middle must have. Oh, it must be fun!

When I watch that, I'm the guy in the middle, I confirm. Yeah, it's like... Or the one in the back. They all have a little something exciting. The one in the front, I wouldn't say. You know, it's like... Or the one in the back. They all have a little something of existence. The one in the front, I wouldn't say. You know, it's like... And then it's like...

He gets crushed by too many people. I don't know. Yeah. Yes. Well, you could be in the middle, and then a guy, and then another... No. Well, I should have a strap-on. It's done's my dream.

My dream crisis, honestly. And how does a strap-on work? Is there something inside? Not necessarily, but it holds better if there's something that holds. But let's say the pleasure you have is... It's liketalking to a guy. It's like the excitement more than what it really makes you.. These powers, you take it and you bring it up. You put it in my... You put it in my vulnerable position.

But that's it! That's it! You put it in my vulnerable position. That's what they do. It's touchy, I think. Personally, I don't like the pelvis movement at all. I have no rhythm. So it's more with the hand. And it's been a long time since I've done that.

It's not my movement. That's it. The pelvis movement been a while since I did that. It's not my thing. It's been a while. The pelvis movement. We're talking about the relationship. I'm saying this now, but I didn't do that either. With my life. I thought you were sharing it. I have three.

I'm talking about my experience. Dutery is talking about that. No, it's our experience, but before our partners at the moment. I've never done it myself. It's a fantasy. It's something I've never done before, but I'd like to do it one day. I've done it before, but it's really less intuitive for a woman to put on. For me, the pool movement was really super mechanical.

It was uncomfortable, nothing sexy in it. I took off my slippers and finished it on my head. The other guy, one finger, I think I understand, but he accepts to be brought in. Even if I am homosexual, I still have some misery with this kind of... Ok, yes, I accept. They are the same, but... How do I say it?

It's a conversation. The person with whom I did this, it was someone who had already done this before, often in his past with other partners. And it's small deals. It's not very big. But it must be a big discussion anyway. Well, not a big discussion, but I'll tell you, it must be like... You start...

Let's say the customers who come to the store, we have a lot of men who are heterosexual, and they come in a couple, and it's a strap-on. Some of them are big strap-ons. At the beginning... Yes, some of them are stupid. It has no relation. It has no relation. It starts.

I ask questions, and I say, how did you start? I ask a lot of questions, and often the answers are, we start, we started with a finger, then boom, then boom. It's been years. If I wanted to try the strap-on experience, I would try it with a strap-on.

Then they're ready with the big strap-on. It's true that it's a year-long job. Your body ends up understanding that you're not pooping. At first, that's the first step. You're like, OK, I'm not pooping. You end up... An adaptation. You're a receiver.

Yes. Yes. The people who say it's done to get out, it's because they've never tried to get in. That's really just it. I... Write that on my grave, Soufiane. Oh, that's good.

Write that on my grave. No, you, you're sure we're holding on to a lot of anal stuff. Like... She's that on my grave. No, you, Alice, we're sure to have a lot of anal stuff. She's putting on the anal. We're going to put silicone on her grave everywhere. What do you have against water? No, water is iris, it's itchy, it's shit. The same vagina, there's a lot of women who have vaginal infections because...

Why is it still selling? Because there's no catching. Oh yes, because silicone, you can't let it on your toys. But I stick it on and I put silicone on all my toys. And I have the impression that the lube in the water opens the micro-fissures. Let's say you have micro-fissures in the water, it burns. It hurts a lot. Yes, because it dries.

So when it dries, it creates a kind of... And that's where the microphones are... I can't believe that you're teaching me... Two straight women teach me that. I swear, it's not about that. I've never had that kind of discussion either. I'm a big fan of Danal and she works with toys. So it doesn't count.

It's perfect. It counts. We have two qualified experts. Experienced. I'll give you some news. Yes, I'll bring it back. I have. Tantia, do you consider yourself homosexual? After, the experience with you, he had his... He's a lot more... He's really more open than me, you know?

He's a lot more... He's a lot more assertive, a lot more... That's why it's... You know, he's not shy to take my hand in public. Even me, even today, it's... It's that I feel like when there are two guys in the audience holding hands, I look at them automatically. And I feel like people look at them too, versus a guy and a girl holding hands, it's a little more unnoticed.

And I'm like, do I want to be looked at all the time because I'm holding my chum's hand? Like, it looks like maybe I'm the one projecting that, but every time I hold hands, it looks like I'm looking. You're looking for it. I'm looking for it, and it's flat, you know. Well, it feels like I'm looking. You're looking. I'm looking and it's flat. Well, it's for sure.

If you're in a shopping mall, there's a lot of stores. So, it's for sure they're going to look at you more. It's stupid, but I'm crossing the street. And I'm like, there's a car. It feels like there's a car and I'm like, are you going to speed up and crash us? Ah, yeah, you're scared. I mean, I definitely think it won't happen,

but I'm like, you don't know. But it's sad to have... It's all. I mean, I think it definitely won't happen, but I'm like, you don't know. But it's sad to have... It's all the time. It's like in fear. It's going to go away. Oh, it's sad. It's recent. I'm excited.

I have a little butterfly that is coming out. Yeah, it's going to go away, I guess. Just on the networks right now, it's crazy. And we're lucky, we're not being hated. The world loves us. We're in a good part of TikTok right now. I'm not saying that it won't happen in a year, but I really said the a good part of TikTok right now. I'm not saying that one day it won't happen, but I really said the right side of the medal right now.

There are experiences like we received Marc-Antoine, who did Star Academy, and he had so much hate just because of who he is. It's horrible, death threats on his family too, just because he's assuming himself and he is who he is. I find it so sad. I consider myself lucky in my position to start defending that, to talk about it.

It's possible that I had to help or whatever. I think you... Let's say that this podcast, everything we've been saying for an hour, is public. How do you feel about that? Is there something that... Hey, it makes me feel good. Yeah? No, I was really Hey, it feels good to me.

No, I was really happy when you accepted to receive me. I think that... Are you sure? I wanted to talk about it. I think I'm in a position, I think I'm in a position that maybe people can relate in the sense that I'm not extreme, I'm not... You know, it seems like there's no representation on my TV. When I was little, it was always the big stereotyped,

super-manly, super-feminist, that my parents did like, Oof, you know, and I did like, Oof, when I was young. And now it's become the extreme, the football player, ah yeah, ta ta ta, and in the end he's gay, and I'm like, I'm not the big football player,

but I'm not either. So I'm like, I'm not the big football player, but I'm not either. So it's like I never... And at the same time, you know, going to parades, going to bars, it's something that attracts me. So I'm like, where's my representation? Because I'm normal, you know. It makes me feel lonely to be here. If you're good, it means you're there. If you feel that you still have blockages,

then you're sure to go to the community, maybe it will open something. Just talk about it, 100%. But if you feel free, it's for sure that going into the community, maybe it will open something. Just talk about it, 100%. But if you feel fully free, fully exposed at the moment, it means that you found yourself. You're just you, yes.

It's beautiful to see. I've never talked about it before. It's crazy. Even heterosexual people, finding yourself as a human being, it's crazy, difficult. And accepting yourself too, I think. To know that you're tough, but then to say, hey, yeah, I accept it.

Bravo. Let's say that you don't spend the weekends in the village, but from what I understand, do you have a queer-like entourage, compared to your chum? That's interesting. Well, my boyfriend has a lot of gay friends. And all my gay friends are either my exes or... I don't have any.

I don't have an entourage. That's probably why I didn't have that kind of discussion. My best friend is my ex. I I was telling you about in my first relationship at the theater school and everything. We've been in the theater school for four years together. And I'm going to say, he's my best friend, I cherish him and everything. And he tells me a little bit more about his experience,

you know, Grindr, too, about that. We talk a little bit about it, but you know, there's a lot of things that happen to him too, that I'm like, ah! It doesn't make me want to experiment more at that level. That's the comedian you were with. He's assumed, he says... Yeah, exactly.

It's just when you're together that you don't talk about it. Yes, that's it. Ah, yeah, well, he's... Should I mix things up? No, no, but yeah, I'm because I... Should I mix things up? Well, he's not my 50's relationship, you know, he's my ex. You should have a number.

Number one... I'm lost, impossible to remember. Number one is the expansion, the one who came to my ball. He's your chum right now. No. That's my best friend. That's my best friend. After two, the 5-year relationship.

And then three, we could say, my current chum. Number one is my best friend. Number two, well still talk about it, in the sense that we have a condo together. Again? Yes, it's a process of... It's tough to buy something. So we still have a relationship.

But otherwise... I have a lot of friends, in the sense that in the theater, everyone is a bit queer. But I don't have like... Yeah, that's it. I don't know what that means, you know? You didn't have those discussions with them either,

since it hasn't been long since you've talked about it. That's it, that's it. Well, you know, no, that's it. And I always, even at the school of dentistry, oh no, I think I'm bi, you know? It was more like, ah, curiosity at the level of the woman that I was asking for, because I had never had those discussions

with my friends in high school. My years in school were more about my self-expression of feminine sexuality. Even if I didn't experiment with it, it was women who told their experiences. I was like, what does it do? I was really curious about women in general. I mean, I'm gay. My friends in high school never talked about their sexuality in high school. So I was like, I don't know anything. I'm in the top of the class. I'm like, learn from Xav. You have to use it. No. You're putting a lot of pressure on me.

I don't know. I think it's normal to know certain things. No, I don't know anything. Shut up! You're telling me a lot of things. But it's not like, I don't know how to say it. I'm like, I don't sex. You're curious about a lot of things. Nutrition and smoothies. That's right, we're already on three things.

In the end, I know a lot of things. Yes. I'm going to go for a lot of people. Yes. But I'm old. Are we going to answer questions from people on Patreon? Yes. I would like to before we close all this. Can you go 15 minutes with us on Patreon?

So many. We have questions from people who will answer that. Are there things that are coming for you? Where can we follow you? Well, right now it's really TikTok, if ever, with Xavier Roberge. I have a lot of nice content with my boyfriend. I know, he makes beautiful videos! I really have fun on that side right now.

And otherwise, well, there will be some TV projects that will come too. Is there anything we can binge on right now? No, well, right now, I think there's always 20h30 at Mathieu's, on Nouveau, that we can binge, which is a nice web series. Otherwise, in terms of theater, there's a lot of stuff coming. You can follow my stuff for dates that I don't have yet, but that would be it. But otherwise, social media, I encourage you to follow me. And your podcast.

Yes, and yes, of course, a podcast. It's very, very, very, very fun. The concept is to divert a lie, so we have fun, we get a lot of people. It's very funny. Liz, I would really like that. In lost time, I said to myself, what would I say? You have a lot to say. I didn't listen to all the episodes, in the sense that I'm not losing it. At the lost time, I said to myself, what would I say? You're so sure, you have a lot to say.

I didn't tell you all the episodes, you know, in the sense that... And Julie doesn't lose either. You have two lies, so you only have one truth. No, it's the opposite. Ah, I have two lies truths. Hey, you told two lies. Oh yes, it's beautiful, it's true. Yes, I said the bleding.

That you were my father. And the juvenile pornography. She sold the juvenile pornography and her father. I was so happy to be part of the podcast. I was so happy to be part of the podcast. I was so happy to be part of the podcast. I was so happy to be part of the podcast. I was so happy to be part of the podcast. I was so happy to be part of the podcast. I was so happy to be part of the podcast. I was so happy to be part of the podcast. I was so happy to be part of the podcast.

I was so happy to be part of the podcast. I was so happy to be part of the podcast. I was so happy to be part of the podcast. I was so happy to be part of the podcast. I was so happy. It's not a podcast. That's what I said. His podcast is what I was thinking. It's not like another podcast that you just want to talk about yourself. It's still a good way to plug in the hot stuff that happened to you. Exactly.

Without going into the... Yeah, that's it. It brings so many topics that we wouldn't have talked about if it was more niche. Yeah, it's very hot. Thank you, Xavier. Thank you so much for giving me this opportunity to talk about myself. Patreon. Hey, I feel light now. Like it's crazy.

Assume yourself. Take your time, but like... Take your time when you're ready, but like, ah, I know it's good. Believe in yourself. Shit. I know it's good. Well done. And you know, I can't wait to see how you're going to keep on getting better. It's possible that you end up with feathers in your ass on a chair. I wish! I wish! The good little panties where we see the buttocks that I understand.

I wouldn't throw that away, but imagine! It's possible! We wish you well. I wish myself well too. And if you're not that, it's not that either. I see you with the little feather. I if you're not, that's not it either. If you're not, I'm not. I can see you with the little... I can see you in the picture. I can't imagine, but I'll send you a picture.

You'll come back to the podcast with your journey. Imagine, that's what I'm made of. The evolution. I can't wait to see in the years to come how you'll flourish. Thank you. You're hot, you're beautiful, you're smart, you're funny, you're everything. You're hot. you're smart, you're funny, you're everything. You're hot. Thank you!

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