Sexe Oral - La pédophilie: L'importance de la prévention avec Arielle & Anne-Marie

Episode Date: December 4, 2025

TRIGGER WARNING Cet épisode traite de sujets extrêmement sensibles qui peuvent ne pas convenir à tout le monde. Pour un public averti. Les propos exprimés dans ce podcast relèvent d’expériences et d’opinions personnelles dans un but de divertissement et ne substituent pas les conseils d’un.e sexologue ou autre professionnel de la santé. Dans cet épisode, on aborde le sujet extrêmement sensible qu'est la pédophilie. On en jase avec Arielle qui doit vivre avec cette réalité ainsi que Anne-Marie Lavoie, qui est sexologue.  RESSOURCES: Notre épisode avec le Dr Joyal sur la pédophilie : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIYGoHMbKGU A) La distinction entre agresseur sexuel d’enfant et pédophile.Voici comment le définit le DSM avec les critères diagnostiques : A. Pendant une période d’au moins 6 mois, présence de fantasmes entraînant une excitation sexuelle intense et récurrente, de pulsions sexuelles ou de comportements impliquant une activité sexuelle avec un enfant ou plusieurs enfants prépubères (généralement âgés de 13 ans ou moins). B. L’individu a mis en actes ces pulsions sexuelles, ou les pulsions sexuelles ou les fantasmes entraînent une détresse importante ou des difficultés relationnelles. C. L’individu est âgé de 16 ans ou plus et a au moins 5 ans de plus que l’enfant ou les enfants mentionné(s) au critère A. N. B. Ne pas inclure un individu en fin d’adolescence qui entretient des relations sexuelles avec un enfant de 12-13 ans (APA, 2013). * En effet, le critère B, grâce aux « ou », permet d’inclure les hommes attirés sexuellement par les enfants qui ne passent pas à l’acte. Liens utiles à aller consulter pour des informations scientifiques vulgarisées: https://disno.ch/attirance-pedophile/ https://www.merckmanuals.com/fr-ca/professional/troubles-psychiatriques/paraphilies-et-troubles-paraphiliques/trouble-pédophile Peut-on guérir la pédophilie? https://ici.radio-canada.ca/nouvelles/special/2017/10/pedophilie-traitement-guerir-psychologie-crime-therapie-decouverte-attirance-enfant/index.html  Ressources RIMAS pour trouver un professionnel dans sa région : https://www.rimas.qc.ca/bottin-des-ressources/ La clinique d’Anne-Marie : https://www.cliniqueconvergence.com La ligne d'écoute Ça suffit : https://casuffit.info Et le regroupement des intervenants en matière d'agression sexuelle (RIMAS) : https://www.rimas.qc.ca Le lien de l’entrevue d’Arielle avec Ça Suffit: https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:733281984726273638/  Le lien vers l'accueil du forum Virtuous Pedophile: https://virped.org Le lien vers MAP Support Club: https://mapsupport.club/  ****Pour la communauté clinique et médicale, le consensus est que les personnes atteintes d’un trouble pédophile ont besoin d’un traitement pour limiter les risques de passages à l’acte. Or, la participation à des forums de discussion ne constitue pas un traitement, mais permet plutôt d’obtenir du soutien, des informations sur la recherche et des services d’orientation vers des professionnels spécialisés, en diminuant la stigmatisation et le tabou qui pèse autour de la problématique. Le soutien informel que les forums apportent peut donc être une première étape pour les personnes attirées sexuellement envers les enfants afin de comprendre leur problématique. Néanmoins, ce soutien informel sera pertinent uniquement s’il permet de servir de passerelle vers des professionnels du domaine. Pour toutes questions : [e-mail] Pour suivre les filles sur Patreon : https://www.patreon.com/sexeoralpodcast Pour contacter les filles directement : https://www.instagram.com/sexeoral.podcast/ Pour écouter sur Spotify : https://open.spotify.com/show/59Z6zW2JDjKXDjnLTOC78c Pour écouter sur Apple podcast : https://podcasts.apple.com/fr/podcast/sexe-oral/id1547085665 Pour louer un studio et commencer votre podcast : https://studiosf.ca/

Today, on podcast, we're we see Ariel and Anne-Marie. Ariel, who is a person attired by the minor, who has never act on it, who has never

agie on his desires. And we have, with us also, Anne-Marie, who is a sexologist who is with delinquent

sexual. It's, obviously, this podcast It's merit a trigger warning because we'll talk to a subject very sensible

like the pedophilia and the agressions sexual of an infant. So, you're a public avertie. We're not

professionals. We have a professional who is with us for us to help in the discussion, but

we're not, we don't normalize this, it's that, we're not normalize, we just

open the discussion for power more prevening and also better help the person

to not pass to the fact that that's really that's the so the book of this podcast

that today so much thank you for your respect also if you please because it's

it's really much of courage and it's very very generous to come to be to live

to us today and his intentions are good so it really we've

we've we've felt that it's really someone who has

no any intention to blessing a person to

and who and who help his community because she they know around her also,

the people who suffer in silence. So, this is for aid the people who could be

to recognize in the discourse. Good and Mary what I said, it's,

it's a lot, that people, they could pass to the act,

because there are many, they have many, they're not to do you say that,

so, so, so, so, with a Grand Overture, if you please, and the

goal is really to help the people, especially, and to help also the persons who have these attrances

to not to be able to like, as we've said, sorry, we're really, we've had a great podcast,

and I'm really a proud of us. So, good, I'm good to do you. The see Trigger Warning

before the podcast it's an episode that's a episode that's about the fantasies entouring of the young so if it's

something that you touch particularly we recommend to soot this episode. The objective principal of the podcast

is to reduce the taboo and the stigmatization entouring the pedophility for briser the and encourage the persons concerned to go to

search the aid. Even if the invite not necessarily the need, we'll say that the fact to be open to the proche or on a forum can't replace in nothing a support

professional and that we incite all the people who can't in this situation to consult the support informal does not replace in anything the

support professional. If you please, consult the description to point A to understand really the distinction between an aggressor sexual of

an pedophiles. Enormously of resources and of precision are to be in the description.

The information has been validated by a sexologist and psychotheraper. First, Allo. Thank you

so much to be there. We are presently with Ariel and Mary. I'm I'm afraid,

nervous, I'm excited. I'm also that you have accepted to come, that you

have done with your story, with what to have partaged today, it's really

important for us to pass this message that. Like I said, it's really taboo, but it's

necessary because the more we know we're able to help, and it's sure because it's con,

but the the fact to not to be in it, it's not there's the people

who, you know, you're talking there, but it's it's just it's really time

that we're change, and that we're talking more, because there's always there's always people who have this atterance

there, and there's always there's going to to be able to to be able to to find the prevention, and help, so

thank you very, thank you. Is that you like, and we're with Anne-Marre also,

do you work, is you can be talking to talk? Yes, I'm specialized, I'm

specialized, I'm specialized in delinquence sexual, The fact that I've done the therapy with the persons who have committed these delis sexual so we're in the minor

but also exhibitionists, voyeurism, to listen to the pornography juvenile, by example. So, I'm going to be in the treatment after, or so, after the sentence, and like you say,

because we don't know because it's taboo, I have not a lot of people who come before, who arrive something or or who should or because

you could be? Well, yes, I'm not some of them to search the aid, they're afraid, they don't know if you're going to do it,

I'm going to remorse in prison. They've they're not necessarily to see, even if they know,

they're in front of, you know, I'm going to say, hey, me have to have to be a lot of because I

know what to do you know, so I think that's super important the podcast also today for that the

people can be able to get to the aid before that it's not, it's that that's that

me, let's me touch much, it's that I'm imagine really something that makes feel more

more isolated than that's more sole it's really the sole subject that's not the sole, but one of

the sole the same the people don't have not an open up an you know,

it's really so you do you know I'm telling so. And there, there's also what I

think, before I thought that there had a category that had really,

I would say the term, a pedophil, it's someone who will pass

to the act. It's, it's so, me, in my time,

I've been victim of pedophility all of my infancy, you know that probably that you

have been I'm not I'm not sure but you know, it's something that's something that's the word

pedophil for say aggression, but you've been been victim of an aggressor you've not not, you know,

it's, okay, it's so, yeah, I think. I think that as there was an

attire invert the minor, it's impossible that you could not pass to the act. I thought

there There were so people who had an attireance and who had been in the majority

in silence so that's for so that's for so today to have to be in repalely

and to be able mention where is he could be so I think

also if you had also if you're going to consult a therapist

whatever that you have not no in fact the obligations

to break the confidentiality it's in certain a case specific. So, let's

I'm a person who says I'm saying, I'm trying, you know, I think there's a lot of identityable. So if the person doesn't mean, I'm not, well, I'm not in contact with these children, I can't even break the secret professional, and I've got the right.

So you have an infantifiable. So the people who have these people who have some people who consume the pornography juvenile, I don't, I have not an obligation to divulge, even if it can't ever be to be arrested, because it's not an infantifiable. Okay. So

So these persons that, I don't have this thought, that if I'm going to have to say I'm going to

do that. So I'm not going to get to get to get. But they know that's not that's to be able to

to break the potentiality. At least, I'm going to identify the child, or you can't identify the

other people, and there also, that after the arrestation, they have an interdiction of contact with

with the children, but there are an interdiction at more that they're at least that's a

way of the case, so it's like, who are in an event familial, they're going to be there, but they're with an

other adult that's a okay. And then we're going to talk about like that's like that's just the tramplein

to you worry about it's not, it's what we know more the people the people who are

people who know I know I'm not to do that the people who are in contact, it's not

the people that's not the people that's the time that I'm okay I'm

I'm I'm I'm to talk to talk to you too

also And the person who, because you say, if there would have contact with an infant, let me, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I, I'm, I'm, I'm, to be able to, I'm address, to, you know, I've got to answer, but, yes, there's

there's a lot, but the DPJ is, no, we're not, we're not, we'll have not the choice to sign to the DPJ, and, you know, I'm very transparent with my clients at the start, I'm saying these things and I've got, and I've been we've called, the DPJ.

Okay. So, I encourage the clients is we make the signalment to one to do you to put in

hand, and you're in it's a very much, they're going to be able to and I'm there's a

case where is the deputies, they're doing, they're saying, well, they're doing to take care of you,

we're not embarked in the gross processus but they're they're going to work yeah,

okay, that's so, perfect. So, the people of his people, who have,

they're in if the DPJ go more, yes, if the people, people who are

people who are I was already in the processus, just here. The DPJ will say, well, you're just in the processus. But, you're going to be obliging to signale. But I try to always do it with the client, and not do it in the door,

and it's a guard a link of confidence, and then after, if we can continue the therapy? Okay, perfect. Ariel, now, is that you can be to talk about, when is,

how, that you realize that you had an attireance? You, we're, we're going to arrive in the subject, yeah. Yeah, it's not very long

that I've been It's pre-conscious, it does have been two years but pretty but it has been a dozen

of years that I'm that I'm there's a time in a there's in a personelelment

I've discovered my sexuality more on the tor it's like the pornography maybe I

had 25 year the first time I'm I've goted so so I've discovered

the pornography the power of the power of fantas also to go to do some of the things that's more kinky

and some of the things that's not, you know, oh, so I'm this, I'm more this, and I'm not in the judgment,

so when it's my first time, I'd say, to have some having a minor in a, but I'm like, ah,

it's interesting, but I'm saying not like, oh, I'm just a pedophil, you know,

it's just a fantasy, but like, never I'd sure in life like me, it'd be afraid, you,

whatever, it's really not what I'm in it's just in my head, it's not

a lot of person, so I'm just in it's not that's true, and it's more in the

two years that I have talked to my friends, who's who's been open

of plenty of affairs of Kink or of fantas, and he he said, you know,

your fantas, it's not you're not you're a good person and you as you're like you

you're I live in your fantas, and it's finished, and it's finished, you know, yeah, it's like, yeah, it's like, yeah, it's like, I said, I was, I was, I was, not in detail, not in detail, you know, I didn't, I'd say, like, oh, but, you know, I, you know, I'm just, you know, I'm saying,

well, yeah, and it's correct, and then, every time that I said, hey, I'm, yeah, I'm, it's a lot of sense, okay, I'm not a bad person, because, well, I'm, I'm just, like, I'm going to be a person moral, and do you have some of my life like all the

whole world, you know, so it's not a lot like that that's developed. And it's when you

realize that finally, it would it would have maybe, I would have, I don't know, I know,

because there you're going with, you have to do you have, that's sufficient? No, no, no,

I've collaborated with them for my testimony, justly, just to make to make the event

that it's not all the people that's probably the majority who pass not at the

place. So that's it's really really more for sensibilized because when I'm trying to

because I'm not quite it's so it's so it's like, it's like, no, I'm just

there's just there's just people, but I'm really a pedophil because me also I had the

same idea than you I'm just I'm never a back, so I'm so I'm

joined a community in and I'm saying, oh, they're going to be them come

all right, but they're going to me understand. And then I read the testimonials and I'm like oh, okay, no I'm okay, no, no, no,

I'm not too alone, I'm not because you're a pedophil that you, that you want to do much to do you,

it's quite that. It's quite it's interesting, like, how you tap on Google this genre

to find to find this form that, you're like, you're like, yeah, I'm, I'm a person

as to open of the spirit in general and it it's a long time

it's I don't exactly but I'm talking about on a video YouTube

that's a site internet that's called Vurtrus Fittofil my accent

and then and then they're talking about a fantastic of the people who

get in the prevention and support on father and all that

I'm like I said I said when I decided to me to me to search a little more, okay,

I'm, I'm, what I mean, it's that I'm, I'm going on the site and I'm , I'm,

I've made, I'm subscribed a count, and I've put view the forum, all that. After our

research and the mention of the forum in many media traditional, we have decided to get in

the episode, because many people don't have access to the aid direct or resources

necessary to support to be consults. In In any case, these forums

never would replace all the social social psychological. Is it you can't do you know,

like the mentor of the new members on the forum who arrive, who are that's a way away,

and you can, you can't be able to get in there in a question, is that it's true,

the principal to the objective of the forum and we're there's there's there also.

There are also there are also there there are also there some some of the

professionals of the searcher. They're also they're sometimes of service. There's a group of support a every week that's

that's also it exists on the forum. It's like these initiatives personnel that are in line with the values

of this forum that. Is it, let's get on with the recule you see some of when you're more

young, let's that could be a piece to take something? In total, zero and a bar. For real,

my sexuality, I've got we're pre conscious after a course of sexuality in the

sixth year who said we're in the organ of genital before that I had no conscience

of my sexuality and everything and I'm like that I'm personally I'm just

I'm just I'm I'm I'm I'm I resented for the people

so I'm like I'm it's like I'm it's just no matter I'm just with the

years I'm with the I don't be demisexual I'm not an attireance

for the person for the people, but the I'm I'm going to be in

relation and I'm an interromantic for the people for the person of my age.

So you have no attireances sexual for the people of your age? Well,

no, it's so, like, like, more young, at 14

years, I'm like had been homosexual because I mean I was like, I think I'm

bisexual and I'm really like that I'm like in the whole, I think I'm I'm bisexual

me also and with the time, well, it's like, you know, I'm, you know,

I'm just I'm not the same concept of what, the thing, it's like someone

who passed in the room, oh wow, he's be beautiful, wow, it's been

never to be never ever ever to ever ever ever I'm so, well,

I'm, well, I'm, I'm, I'm, you know, I didn't that

more than that. Yeah. And then my sphere of fantasy I had not,

I had nothing. So I don't know if it's a way to be not

I'm not, you know, it's the speculations. And how you explore your atter?

In the phantas only? In the fantasy? Yeah, yeah, yeah,

yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. Yeah, do you, have you did you

have you had you on, we've on the , you do you, there have you

do you have to there's a people that you know, there's a people who find this kind of content

that, that it's that's a hey or IA or, excuse me AI AI AI, A

AI, AI, AI, intelligence artificial or not. But I'm just I'm just, I'm not to touch to that,

I've got to explore that and I was here, here, here, the law is really

really strict, I don't say, I say, it's what the parameters. The pornography Juvenile,

it's all content that's that's a video written, it can be it's a

way, yeah, so I'm I'm just had a client, that's it's a story that's

a question, but it's a person minor, so it's a tonne in pornography juvenile.

Ah, I'm, I'm not that, so it's all the representation of a person

minor, in a context sexual, in the fact, and not sexual also

in the sense that, I'm, what I'm what I'm what I, personally, it's the

limit that I'm made, because I could be in the trouble, but if I had these photos that are not

sexual, but if I'm there's plenty of photo of baby on my telephone, well, you know, if I'm in the

trouble for other other things, would be judged that, that's just contenting pedophil. Yeah,

because it that, it comes with your, yeah, I think, I think, I'd probably

that, yeah, but no, there'd really, there's really there's a question

because the photo, it's the host that the law, how it's it's written in a

context sexual. So, let me tell you, a baby. Just a photo of a baby in a chair, other, like, that's... But what's... But what we're talking about, what we, metto, in time clinician, is that we know that person has an atterance, and she has

got some... So, we're like, yeah, but you know you know, you're fragile with that, you know, like, you're not in a beer, in his fridge, yeah, his own... His own, their rear plan, it's a photo of beer.

You, let's on. So, there's the co-the-cote clinic, and there's the The part legal, the part of the touchy, it's like I said, someone can

look at the pornography juvenile, but I'm not, I can't not do anything even if we know

it's illegal. So, there's plenty of terms or the manner to approach the people, and there's

that people they have these great mechanisms of defense because it's super taboo and they say,

but it's not so bad that's not, yeah, but you do you're yeah,

but you're legally, or on the plan that you say, I'm not no problem, But, you know, in your case, you've got

to have a fragility, and it's on a lot of, you know, and if you're not to try to end up, it's going to end up with crescendo, you can't regard to the pornography juvenile, or is that really these acts sexual, let's when we say, when we're saying, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, if, you,

, is, is, is, is, if, you've, done to do that, and that's, and it's really clear for you? Did you, do you all to find? For me, it was not something that was a question to be in fact,

for me, it's been, oh, finally I'm I'm afraid sexuallyly, I'd have not quite

that before. It's, it's been too, I'm in my grandin, so, so,

so, all my life, I don't know that's that's like, it's like,

it's the part of the piece of my problem, more than, I've been not,

I've been not resented, the detress, I've I've ever seen when I've wanted to

talk to me. Okay. At part, he's he's been the first he's

the first of I'm talking about I'm not I'm a I'm not aborted that like that I'm not

I've not made a coming out to him again. Okay, yeah, I'm right.

But the when you tell you when you get to let's get this attrances

is, is the fact, well, plus with you once I'm

to put the question, is Is it you think that's the

people they're going to get to they're going to get to they're by experience if you

think you're because you know you're saying really that's, you've not had not

had been the business, do you think that would be the same or, you see,

it's more that my question? No, it's sure that it depends of the

thing, and the thing, it's so it's so it's too taboo, it's

just in discourse in the life of every day we know all the people, it's like the

worst people who who's the people who who's in the group the people who's just that

it's not that can't create a detress and I'm I'm got a chance because

I'm when I'm found out but the people they have 13 years they're

they're when they're they're trying when they they're not they're not they're not they're not

they're they're they're going they're going to be they're they're going to be

maltreated for that people, so the people, they don't talk about, they don't know, they're afraid. That's a lot of distress, I think

that, yeah, it's a bit... He's isolable also, that's what I'm doing, I'm in the factor of

risk for the people, or the person, or to pass to the act, by this taboo that, exactly the inverse,

or in marginalizing the people, and saying, we're doing, at the limit, it's that, the discourse that we're talking

that's, it's, it's, it's, it's, that perhaps the person pass to the act

for the because she, because she, she, she, she, when we're

, when we're demistify a little, the three, it's not all the people who are

the criteria that's a thing, it's a that, it's with the with the

DSM in the fact, it's a person that person live a distress,

and it has got there's there's there's not that's not that's not that's

that's not that it's can't also change in the time so, let's, there's there

there are these distinctions, there are these pedophiles that's just the people who are and they're able to develop a sexuality with some people

adult in their age. There's not that they're in therapy, it's to be able to just to have a sexuality positive and you

don't need to be there also. And the people who are going to get to get to my clients, it's like a

group of us old. So, like I'm with plenty of pieces, and we can't come as it about it's

about it and these factors that and these pieces of things things are not a rapport with the sexuality. So it's that that's difficult

to demile. It's just, let's just a process of, the gestion of the emotions are not capable to get their emotions. They're not able

to identify their business. They've been used with the person adult who are that's been rejected in the sexuality

or in the relationship and the life, I'm there, I'm really with that I'm just not,

it's the first time I'm the first time I'm the impression that we're not to deal with the things emotional,

you know, get our things, they're getting they're a real impression but it's because the we're going to

call it's opportunist it's because with these factors there's not an attirance real for the children, it's that it's that we're in making sure that the puzzle at the

end, but it's that's what it's that's not because there's a person there's probably not the critter of pedophiles if we're in this

domain, let's in this range that. You can, yeah, it's that, you can, that's what, Dr. Jojewel?

Joyette. You say, you could, aggressor an child, but not be a pedophil

and be a person, you can't be able to get to give a very very belle sexuality

with a person of your to know, to have to be your own to be able?

Is that you see you see a relationship with someone of your age and have had

of the relationship or you guard, you'd be platon you're in you're in

relation I've been married so that in my family I'm saying I'm married

I was young, but I'm separated. Okay. Well, yeah, all right, I have an interest romantic for the person of my age, yeah, and in this moment I'm in relation with

someone also. Even if I have not an attrance for for him, I mean, I feel I just say, I'll just, I feel like I,

I'll touch, I, I can't do you, I feel like the pleasure of the chair can't even, yeah. He has an attrance for you, or

the same same thing? Same thing. Same thing, yeah. And we have two couples of who are in the same situation. It's the people who are not attracted by the adults and they have the same attireance.

They have a, they have a form of sexuality that they're conform to their confine. Yeah. Oh, yeah, it's all the fact possible. There are some people who are also who they're not in the forum that are exclusive, that we're, so exclusive, it's exclusively by the minor,

and non-exclusive, it would say you're also attired by the person of your age, the person adults. Again, it's just in the fantasies. I've never, I'm sorry, I'm particularly, but I've never seen an infant and have been like, oh, wow, he's hot, no, you know,

it's never ever ever. I mean, in the real life, it's not something that I'm authorize. It's really just when I'm with my same, in my sexuality, when I'm, you know, when I'm having pleasure, something I'm visiting, but in the life of every year,

I can interact with these children in my tounge of age, and I'm not, you're not, or in trying to, like, des sexualized in my head. That's, it's the limit

that's, but I'm, like, I'm doing it to be able to be able to be in front of course that I visit

these moments of my life where I have been in contact with these and I'm like, zero and it's just, it's not

something, yeah. Is it there's a thing around to you? No, I'm not, I'm not,

don't know, I'm around to me in the Is The people The people who have found in

this site is that in the discussions you have you, there are there

some of where is you say okay no this person she has gone

or if you have done or you have you have you have you to go to go

a bit more that that it's that it's for a because that

I'm I'm imagine more okay that I have a phantasm

particular is let's let that I'm attire to be attracted to them okay

well I'm in fact just I'm sorry to get to get to the moment of the moment

of the I'm saying I'm saying I'm like I'm maybe maybe that you're

you're doing you're that you feel like that you say I'm gonna I'm not I'm not

I'm not you're not I'm not I'm not but I'm imagine not not they're

not not let's let's in some because at when at a moment

don't know the imaginer how you do you know, how you do you do that's not all the fantasies that we're

realising in the real that's just that there's a difference between a fantasy and literally it's your

orientation that's true it's so the difference I'm a fact that I'm it's a cocombe

okay okay my mom my time it's a cockom but I'm I'm excited

but it's correct but now because it's including it's like I'm where I'm

I want to I want to I want I want to It's also the fact that, let's just an, let's let's consider that it's just a phantasm that I'm talking to me around me

that I'm valid, without, let's know, let's see, of structure, I have an impression that like, it's something that's something that makes up, because you're like, yeah, and you've got to

have you just to think of that, oh, no, and you're just, and then, the phantasm becomes the more and more more, and, yeah, it's what, yeah, it's so, I'm saying, if you're if you had a question

that I had for you, The forum that you talk, just explain it's what because the people can't think also

on this genre of forum that, we're going to show, we're not this genre of the forum

that's right. It's really a forum of support. There's not an image, not the

partage of the link, and it's because I see, you're saying you're

to consultate but in in the fact, you, you, you, you're on

a support, the community is a form of support, and it's super important in the phone, because if you're all

alone, you know, and you're not going to be able to do with that, you know, when you're going to, there's plenty of other people who, like like, they, they want to pass a lack, and it's not these people, and they live well with it also. There are who, they live the distress there, that's for that, you know, this forum

that, for realising. It's also to go to get, to get to help, with people who are specialised there, also. It's not all the people. Because, there one who are, there There's one who thinks, oh, I'm going to go to go to a sexologist, and it's not

everyone who's able to deal with that, who is at least to do it, and who is able to do it to do with it. So, you know, this aid, that, by that, it's a few, the line of the code, they can referre. There's a remorse also, the regroupment of the intervenants in matters of aggression sexual. So it's a regrouped all the person, and there's a lot of it. Where is the people can't find a person who is specialized there? And you've been able to have been accused for having to have the aid, that's not right? And it's more to get it

before that's too late. So there's a way of there's not necessarily easy, but it's not necessarily easy.

But when we know, and it's for that today to be there it's important to know where to

find it. It would be that first where is we could, we could contact it that's sufficient

that's a line. There's a chat also and it's also there's there are there many

modules of auto-reflections for the people who are not necessarily to consultate all right,

it's like a little check-up by you know, and you have different modules for to start your reflection. So that's

it's a suffice. That's more a regroupment, so all the intervenors, I'm going to part of the remorse also.

So, so those who work in agression sexual, particularly who who are with the

author of the regroupment and we're in the bottom, so the people can't be able to be able to

do you get to appropriate and specialised also. What is there is also

of people who voluntarily because he talked of castration chemique a

person who has who would feel the plus that

he he he he he's he he said he

might be a photo maybe to be to be an video

and that he he feels that it it it castration

chimic what is that is it's not so it's it's

Courant? No, I mean, in seven I've never had a client that's always because you have not used because there's

because there's because there's that there's really problematic it's also there's a there's a lot of there's plenty of

things where there's the extreme where we've got we've got to castry chemically in seven in seven in

my clients we're not you've been to explain to what also castries chavere chame chemically?

I'm not necessarily specialised there to I'm not not in the detail, but it's really the person will be the desire sexual, finally.

But it's that. We'd say that, I'd say that I'm don't know why it's not more popular. Because it's not necessary, and it's intense, like,

to remove all desire sexual to a person when, finally, we'd have been all these aspects of the sexuality, they could live

a beautiful sexuality, the fun. Yeah. You know, imagine that you'd never, the sexuality. No, no,

I'm really not, I'm really not, I'm really option, really not, but we're saying,

there's a there's a lot of people there's a lot of people, it's for that I'm not not,

why I'm not more. Where is where is it's really actually the people, that's that's more

than the fantasy. I think what she is that is capable to be able to be

to go to be to be in the sense that I'm because I think there

one of the problem is that the access to the therapy is very complicated.

So let's, let's let's take the people, and we're in detention. I'm in sure. But that's

the people that's the people are in the same middle of the same pattern, and they're not more

developing the new tools, and we're not. And we're we're saying that they're different. Yeah,

because they're that's that the problem, it's that he thinks that two years of prison that'll find

that they're having, but the clients, I've I've already had people, and they're

going to do they want to the therapy, while they are in detention. So I've done the therapy

in Zoom during their incarceration, but some of it's very complicated because it's difficult to communicate,

it's difficult to have access because there, there's a lot of people, the people, and the people,

but the people want to learn to live. But it's to be oriented to this aid that, the rent

accessible also. It's ought to be free. If they're not the they're not on the

list, they're not, let's there there's there's on the CIDS at Laval, there

a little everywhere who will offer to the aid but he can have been in the list of prison but they're

on the list of for the list of for the time for the aid if it's not that pay you in the private but there's a

cost of that sometimes it's complicated and also for the victims that it's a thing, it's a thing, it's a

thing, the aggressions sexual I think not that we can't if we give the problem if we don't give more

there's a no, there there's almost everywhere there, there there's almost everywhere, there there's

yeah the castration chemique I think it's there's really there's really nothing but there's

there's there's something that you have done to make accessible before that

and even prevention primar. I'm in my group that's that's the things I'm

that's things that I'm talking about the people, recognize your business,

the communication of things of things things, it's because it's because

it's because you know to come to come to come to come to come to come

the time the job it's not we're all we're all we all we all

we're going to sit there? If you're to sit and if you're not an not over not no, it's

it's not it's not yeah, and I'm going to get in tabarote because it's it's not

it's not it's not it's a there's a problem and clearly it's just we're not we're not

we're not we're not we're not we're not and it's we're like it's it's all the cause it's like it's

it's because we're there's a mootty gang of the population the gang. It's also that there's

there's a thing, there's a thing that's a real. Like there in the case

we're in the case we're in people who are people who have to be in the people who have to be

too much that we know, but all the people who see the that's the majority.

It's a they're that I understand that I understand that's because it's important,

we're we're prevening to that but all the other gross majority there, I don't say

because we're not see, there's people who will respond to the end up a few

people. But let's it's a proportion monst like that's I'm in this like that

we're saying that's a majority, they live the distress at cause of the stigmatization and they

they have they have psychological not because they, oh shit I'm really there's really I'm really

the majority of the people they're they're just need to have someone with who they

have to confier. But it's they're an impression to have a big etiquette in the phone

they're like the same thing, they're like, they're like they're like they're like they're like we're just that.

So, it's that this detress that, hey, if we're that, what's what what's going to how's going to

act with me and it's going to it's going to it's like that you're at exclude to all the group of my family

of my family, of my family, of my family, the job, you're doing the job, you

well, yeah the the gross simacization so that Karii, it's a there's a there's, there's

there's, there's there's, there's a point that's not, then you know, and that's that's like, if I'm not

on the forum, or if I'm a community who's I'm sullen, I'm all, I'm alone, I'm not bad, there's a lot,

there's a lot of people, with, at the person who have some because they're they know that's they're not acceptable, and they want to

it if, we'll do it if, we're because, I'm an adolescent, I've lived a distress, and I was suicidal, and like,

if I had at this moment that I had an attireance for the minor, I don't know I think that

it's been too gross, so I think me, to see the most of the people, it's the

adolescent, I'm like, well, it's important to be there, if I'm talking to if this

person, know, and I am a person who is pedophil, it will say that

perhaps, they're going to talk to someone, and it will be so, I'm

that I'm important to it's important to it, it's important to And that, yes, I decided to to talk to one of my friends who had

close. And, you, it's, it's not long time that I was going to be in the community, and I think

my vocabulary he was not super abil, you know, I'm a little on, no, but I'm not

, but I'm not going to get to a bit too, that's, and I have not on the vocabulary

for, you know, to talk to, all the rest of the population who is concerned by that he's concerned

by the notion for that, and I haven't it had been it has made Like on the Coo, the person is super comprehensive

and you're like Oh, yeah, it's not the first time I'm talking about talking about to say, well,

thank you know, for you know, and I'm talking about a call out of it's like, it's dangerous

what you do you know, you normalize the acts pedophil, and I'm talking, in what I'm

an attireance it's normalize these acts it's what these acts pedophile, and pedophil is having an

attireance, there's not there's not there, yeah, you can pass to happen, but it's different.

And so, it's important to separate, but, you know, to receive that of my friend, you know, that I considered poach, and that I made confidence. There, it was a re-invoyed an image of me that was, who was, you know, and it's never had a reaction so visceral than that. I've vomited my life, like, and it was really well-posed, but I felt her malaise, and I felt that there had so much prejudged that it was that, that person would have not descend to her, of her, of like, oh, you're associating with

people, problematic, and it's grave what you feel, but I'm like, but there's a difference, in the difference, and in a lot,

it's important, is what we're doing. Well, no, it's because there, we've tried , you know, the world, we've tried, plenty of things,

but it's not, it's really, I think, we're really, I think, it's really that, the communication

to be talking, and it's, is that, do you think that there should that you'd have two terms? Is that you

think that the fact of there's there are two terms, it's pedophiles and aggressor sexual

of children? No, but is that you think that the word pedophil, because

what is what is the word pedophil for all people, it's generative. It's

generative. I think that's that's one of the thing that is the most difficult

also, it's the reaction of the reaction that the reaction that we have when

we're when we receive a different because Because it would have been

that's the real to live the distress and that's to get to get to get to get to

get to be in because I'm clearly I'm don't know to be in your name on the part with who you

have said in the same that, or is that you've got to be able to to be able to to be able to

to talk I think to say, oh, yeah, okay, it's good, it's good,

it's correct, no problem but it's not to say, not to treat the person like a person like, and do you

have you, do you do you need, do you need, It's important also, and it's going to enjoy on how the person will react, and what's going to do with it after

also? So it's urgent, the bank of support, and it's like very urgent. Yeah, that's the problem. 100%

it's my battle of battle. Okay, because I feel it's not a good sense because it has not a because the fact to not

a year, an hour, an hour, to attend? Is it, is what the time of the time of the time of

the region and turn advantage between three months and one in public for the service in French.

For the services in English or other language, the delays can't have perhaps

pass a year. On private, the delay are rapid when we're looking at the bottom

of the resource of RIMAS. It can be a year and two year. Yeah,

yeah, it's long. When you can't be very, you're not being, but there

but there there's but you're there, but there's that you can't do you can go to

that you can go to you can't You've got to meet who can't have some people who it's a few or is it's a

platform or what you can start with you do you can't do you know, these questions, some people are to do you know

we've seen there, but it's it's not taboo the people they have power and they're the impression that if we're

on the impression that it's a problem also to it's an problem and to do it's over the people who can't be

a problem in a total a phobies it's something we're afraid of because we we know not. When we

know not the why, the fact that's not because he's not because he's a pedophil that's

it's not the difference we're not and we're just not going to be able to and it's for it's

for that I'm that I'm that I think that I think that I think that's that's that's just

more than it's more than necessarily because you don't know a voice a group of people

that we don't know a group of a group of people but who is it's it's

That's it, yeah, it's Yeah, yeah, it's Yeah, yeah, Is it the way, you said, you'd have been in communication, or you have, you know,

no, it's so, like, the courier after that, I said, I said, like, I'm trying,

I'm trying, I'm saying, I'm saying a bit, I'm saying, I'm not, I'm not gonna be able to

talk, you're not, I'm, like, but I'm not to talk about my fantasies, whoa,

you know, it's, it's been a proportion, it's been imagine, all of stuff of things,

I'd say that because I had these plans Mark Havillique but not, but not in a lot of, so yeah I'd say,

I'd say, I'd say, I'd have been a call out of a three month after, and a

year after. And I'm a friend in common that she also, she said, it's probably

six months, but she had passed six months to the last, I'm saying, I've seen

something, I'm talking, I'm talking without he said what, it's a bit at the

situation with my other friend. Now, now that she has and she's like she's like a lot of with that way,

I'm like I'm like I'm not with the fact you know, but I'm sorry to talk about, I'm saying to let's say it

but yeah, really, really. Is there people in your family or at your time, or in your other, other

know, or some friends? And I'd have a person in my family with who would be to be in

talking, at who I'm trying to put to to take to the risk, never. Because if the

person reacty mal, to say to my employer, where I'm doing, I'm sure, and certain. I've never done, I've been here, but just the fact that I'm talking. You're not?

You're not with a... I'm not with a... No, I'm not with with these children. It's just, like, ethically, it's very much, and, like...

And, you know, we're not necessarily. We don't talk about our colleagues of the work necessarily or our employers, or, you know, so, there's also

the why we're also the why we have been doing it, I think that in a certain a different where is you know,

I'm talking because it's important for that's important for the people understand, but if we're not necessarily in this approach that,

it can be also damageable for the person, see, we know, we know how the other has to react to you,

you know, it's there's a way, it's not being, you're too pre with this alternative that?

Because they can, they can be not in security, but not just emotionally physically also, so there

there's all this part there also that that can be a motive of consultation for certain people who

know that they'll have to be going to be to visit, at the clinic we're seeing, because they

know how they they're doing it with that and we're in this also, so. Have you

had you had a communication with a pedophil that has that has never?

It may arrive in the forum, it's sure, I imagine. Pove, I mean,

let's say, let's say, let's say, yeah, there can be a lot on the forum, like we try to...

The forum the name in English is literally like these pedophiles that are never nothing. It's that

that's what it would be. Yeah, it's so that it would be there. Okay. But there are who are

not very many people? It's because the people who don't not as welcome on this forum

because we're so we're so that we're telling the people who contact neutral and contact

neutral and anti-contact I'm not I'm really just in the community just in the community anti-contact

and the people who have have already passed to LAC, and they're like, no,

no, I'm not, I'm really anti-contact, I'm not, I'm not to pass to a lack,

it's an error, or, you know, it's circumstantial whatever. Um, you know,

they seem like, they're not, but we're trying to change the things, to say,

like, you know, not that we're not that, you know, it's very grave, you know, to pass at

a lack at about to that, but, you know, you're welcome when, if you're

if you engage today to make the good choice if you if you're

going to be the best of you're being here, it's sure. The first time that you

start from, you're like, you're like, you know, you know, you know, you know, to see that,

to be having a discussion real, you, in person. You know, how you're feeling,

that's a good question. Um, well, I mean, the majority people, you know,

the part of, you know, it's a little risked. Is, that this person will say to to someone

we'll have some of the we're in we're in, we're in we're in we're just I'm trying

to get back to be friends and do you get a group there's a there's a lot in that I don't know

in person but we're doing this call video so so many times per

a few times there you're someone there's someone we charge of the sort of affair it's not not only

only the pedophilies but yeah but the first person that I met with person that's

my chum today. My chum today. We're seeing we've met not here, he abet not

in the country here. So when he came to visit, it's the first person that's the first person that

I was that would be particular. It's particular that's so it's interesting because it's like,

we're going to you're talking in person it's more it's more like the the part romantic that

was stres that I'm the fact that I'm interested By the minor, that's, it's... It's banal, because, I'm saying, I'm like that. Because I live. Yeah, that's that, I live, and I've been...

I've been talking with long time. You know, I know the same value than me, and that's the same limit, also, you know, that you'll not have to learn on the thought, that, finally, they regard these images, you know, these images that are not. No, no. So, it's all the people who are...

We're all clear with what is correct, not correct. It's a thing, also, that, that, too, I wanted to reactire, it's that it's not the same regular in all the country

and that's a platform that's a world there's a world that's in the world who's on the forum so that

for example in the United these images of the designs, the design that's like it's like a legal, it's not

illegal, it's not illegal so there's there some but for them it's correct but I'm never that

because I know that's it's not correct if there is there is there is there that's it's so

it's the yeah the question on the castration and all it's all it's not it's not

it's like it's the people we're talking we're doing yeah, we're talking oh my

I'm not I'm like I'm going to the medication I'm in my pedophilia la la la so it's

much the most of the people are like what I think what I think I'm the more with it is attired

by the minor it's the fact that I'm in love but like feet by dece

head like I'm not me personally but I have my friends that's that that's the

more difficult because the desire sexual you masturbate it's finished but the attrance romantic to be in love

and that's other thing. You know, there's a papillon when you know, it's so that we're

that's that we're talking about to be able to talk about to come in an affair and not a person

adult, what's what she does what they're doing this thing? And, and sometimes

I get the people, we work there's just to say, a child, you know, it's not the same conversation,

and not get in the same place than you're not, like, and when we're decortique that at all the time, I'm in love

with these kids of 18, I just ask you to question their definition of their definition, it's what, you're gonna

in a relation? On legal, at 18. Yes, that's right. But you're to ask, that's a role

to have to when you're not there, when you're not in total, when you're not, but when you're not there,

but when you're to work with you, how you can't with an adult you're not to do it like that. And there's

if it's not necessarily the pedophilia that's not really the pedophilies that and that's because they're maybe used some more experience

with the person adult and it's so much more that's not character, I'm not to get to get to get to to get to

to the adult. I've got been used some like if if we're so the person yeah, she can have

also have been an attrance over the minor, but we're able to develop something with some adult,

you will be there will be this detress that to do you do what with I'm not if it's not pass to the act, I know that I'll say that I'm

caught in that, but I'm kind of ponied in that so. It's like to work this, and that, an accompaniment, we can't do this type of accompaniment, that's the type of accompaniment. Is that there's that... It's when it's... If you, let's talk, let's talk about

some of the deviants sexual. Is what the difference between, you know, the two, there? Well, it's when we're going to enter in the diagnostic, okay. There's not all the time of the deviance, and it's not all the time

of the people who... It's what a deviance? When is it when is the time, let's turn, I'm talking, I'm not psychotheraper, so I can't

give you know, I can't, I can't, I can't, find the person and be able to give a diagnostic. A deviance,

well, there, it's going to when it's also problematic, and we're also to all the distress that the person will live,

and the deviance will come, in the case, in the case, in the case, in the case, let's come,

let's, it, let's, it, so, let's, so, if, if you see you view also

and that's it's a lot to be able to it's a problematic and it's at this level that I'm not

we're talking that's someone who tripe his poignet to at the limit if it's

going to be in your and at the time you're not used to get to get to get

to get in my bureau there's not there's a problem it's a that's a that I'm

I think I'm in it's not I'm in it's not it's not it's not it's not

it's not Well, listen, there's not that's the problem finally. There's all that part there to see you a problematic,

you do you get to be able to live well on on the other? Is it a danger for for you or the other?

Yeah. That's so each person is different. What is what's the that's that's been

to want to it's publicly? It's a that's made, I'm ready to do it to be able to

do that when I'm when I'm there's there's there's not not

that's that's that's that my that's that's like,

well, how I'm if I'm don't know if I'm don't know how I'm to talk

and how I'm doing, how I'm that's more said, that's more taboo that the

people can't have to have been that I'm that's that suffie and I

think it's it's the opportunity to talk to it's it's really it's really

it's really I'm I see adolescents, and then then I said, Colleen, if I'd have seen, yeah, I'd say, yeah, I'd be there's a lot of people probably, there's people who are probably those people. I just

specule, but we're not, because we don't know if, it's that's not quite, because we don't have, to see anything to have to find out of, that's what we're with, that's that we can address that otherment, but... We can't control our pulsion, but we can't

control our actions, that's sure. We can control what we do with, And I think it's super important what's the career did, because the time you say, we'd say, we'd

never be able to be able to make a podcast, we don't know in clinic, we don't know with the

people who live this situation because he don't get to get to get to get to help. So,

even it's not access to the person that no so it's difficult to find the prevention and to come

validate that we can't be able to we can have a life and we can pass not to the

because these people are also, and it's correct publicly because Ariel has we've been

we've been we've been we've seen we're going to be dangerous for us. So I think it's super

important to understand also this part of it's to make also the image that we

see, you don't know, in the case, I think, the pedophiles we can't imagine a kind of

of a new monsieur in a taut who's not talking, the shawl, the

chauve, the same, you know, and you're in the sense it's someone that's someone who's

someone who's they're reductive, in the sense, you defate also the image that someone can have of that, you know? Because we

don't know, that we can grander a day and you're people who are pedophil, the other, it's the

people, it's, but the reality, is that you can't be a person, there's sure in your

end of your end up in that you're certain, it's sure and certain, I'm sure I'm not,

I'm sorry, I'm trying. I'm sorry. It's for there's part there's a there's a question that,

it's, it's like, it's often of parents, when you imagine a pedophil or an aggressor sexual

of a child, you'd imagine that they've who don't have been by these adults when

he was young? Is that it your case? It's not my case. And in my group of my

group of I, I'd say that you're a car, that's their car. A car? And so

on the there, there's the one of that's a cause of that they're a cause of forum, at large, there's

no history of abuse sexual in the infest, nothing in normal, yeah. But in

practice also, same that's not necessarily It's not not. Is that you see a link that's

more the grand of one person that's made, that's made, let's on, no,

it's not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not able to make the direct by the

he will have an but it's not automatic. Is you're for or count the

IA? METT in context, we've received the week last week who's coming to

talk about the dark web he's he's the service of protection of the

office and he talked to he talked to all the dark web and that

the intelligence artificial apported a new dimension to

their work because the limit is really like blue it's

like it's not of the real children, but what you see, you know,

there's a lot of it's been difficult to know, what I'm what I'm what I'm

trying to say, it's a intelligence artificial is based on some of the real images. It's like

it's like participate at the industry of the material of exploitation sexual of the

child by LIA. Yeah, okay, I think there's he had a photo

of a even if he had been it's abbeyed, it's that's kind of that's used and that's it's just that.

Yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, yeah, let's see, let's,

let's see, let's, let's, I know, you can't, you can't, a photo, of an car, that's what,

it's what, there's, there's, there, there's, there's, there, there's, there's a professor of education

physical, education, yeah, or, of hockey, in the, there, there was a group

of girls, the young , and, he'd be in the photo, he was to be able

but it it's just it's just it's just it's it's not after that no,

no, if it's because let's we're in the we're in the optics

of prevention there you'd put in if you might try in we

we're in we're in and that you're not that you're not that's in my

pot okay and you you're conscious because that you're the person

for you're the it's what, the risks, are high, the risks. It's so, I imagine, if you know, we're in a

show we're in a other, who's a minute, whatever, who said, oh, no, I'm going to get to be

up to that, and he's, like, clearly, you'd say, no, is, is you know,

if you're there's a thing that there's a question, it's also how my children,

I'm not, how my children, the way, the way, the way, young, it's to

them, because the external, we're not to be in the external, we're not to learn

the good, the good, and to try to work with, it's what a good, and a good secret.

A good secret, in the whole, the person, if the person, she'll be able to be content,

and it's the fun. If we're to get a secret, but we're because mom,

she's because mom, they're going to be able to be able to be chicaned. But that's not a good

secret, and it's not that's not to be To learn that to to learn to learn to distinguish the

good things without their in the words in the word of the word but they're going to be on us if they're

not going to say, you know, it's just to noming really the very part of the word to say

let's say let's say there's my little flower ah yeah then come your

so name the real part of the car there's on the site of Mary Vincent are really

really good with that the tools and the thing for for the parents to avoid the aggression

sexual. There's plenty of tools really really cool there's like yeah, yeah, I'm going to

do you do you know, okay, Seleye, if there's something that's correct, is that's correct,

is that you feel like, she's like, she said, yeah, she's all, she said, she's,

she's, she's a view, she's like, she's like, I'm like, no, my cockat,

so it's so I'm so like, so I'm changed by, you're not there's not you're not,

You're saying, okay, but no. I'm like, oh, my my joke, she had like a little. Yeah, it's because she'll have the touch of her mom. It's like that also. If mom's in the bin, after that,

well, it's because it's in the bin, but it's just mom or the person who's the name. To say, like, mom, she, like, mama will lave the penis, mom will lave it, you know,

and to have to be, to have to do so, yeah. And the little cars also, I'll repeat, but we, we've received someone also, and we'll

we don't know, we're in a few we're trying to our little little kids and the little kids also they're at

people, you know, like to talk to talk to talk to talk to talk to talk to

talk about my, I'm really I'm really content of this podcast there's there's, I think

I've been there's a question, I think you have already there's already of your entourage

of your people, you know, on the forum? Yeah, or You know, you've already heard that you've said

like, okay, I'm not a little bit like, I'd say, I'd say, a monocratist that's not a name

ratable and who's there's not, you know, you know, I mean, some people, they think it's a safe space,

yeah, he's like he let's, on the forum, we know, we don't know we're not to, you know,

we're not to say, it's really, we're really, we're really, it's really, it's really, it's really,

it's, it's really, there's, there, And I mean, it's just someone who comes to me but he's not an introduction

and he's direct in the phantasme it's like, it sounds like, no, even not the question it, it's like,

I'm like, I'm sure, like, I said, excuse me, I know, I know, I know,

the line is minus between fantasy and it's, and I'm , I'm not, I'm not comfortable of the

way that we're and then he he'd he'd be like a situation like, oh, there,

there, there, you know, a situation precy, yeah, he'd say, a situation, I don't know what,

I'm like, I'm like, oh, I'm I'm like, I'm like, is that you can, excuse me, descend of a coche, yeah, it's, yeah, I'm, it's not, I'm not able to, I'm not, I'm not at least with it, not at least,

but I'm not, okay, it's just a phantas, we're just a phantas, like a fantasy, like, like, it, like, I'm sorry, to be able to be someone who's comfortable,

you, but someone that I'm, who, who I'm abode to this fashion, it's like, no, no, no, I feel that it's clear that,

for your question. No, it's not, we're... No, that's... The last question. Because, like, I'm like, okay, but if you're Fierre of all why today

you've chosen to come with a voice and deguised a visage covered? Well, I'd my job. By my job, I'm at my

house, I'm in my house, I'm, I'm depressed, I'm getting deprimed, I'm not being, and it's dangerous. It's dangerous for my security.

Yeah, it's dangerous for my security physical, also. I, you, I, you, I, I've taken precautions while

in coming here by courier also to be assured that it will be to be able to not because

I'm not because I'm not sure of people who I'm trying to try to try to find this information

that. That exists some people who chas the pedophiles or I know what? Like,

I'm just a person that exists. We're just a person we're not because it's just

it's just it's just it's so it's so it's sure it's You know, we've got to change our money, I mean, I'm a diffused of epaul.

I'm sorry. I'm sorry. No. No, it's really changing, and I just that's going to be to be sure in a studio. No, I'm really, like,

I'm really, like, I'm really content of this podcast, and I hope, sincerely, that it will have helped help people, conscientious the people,

and that all the world we're we're going to grander and that a moment of a moment of the

he'll have to pass to the act we're we're doing to do my car and it's

there's there's a there's a there's there that that will be listening that

and they're going to be I'm not all I'm not all I'm not I'm

I'm not I'm not the intention to I'm but I'm in these desire

that and it's these penses that I can't can't accommodate it with you

can't control it, that's that's so. Thank you very, thank you. Thank you.

You have been really, you've been really, I mean to discuss with you,

I'm like you know, how you talk, how you're how you have been infinitely generous,

you've been infinitely generous, really, it's super appreciated. Thank you, thank you

for your accue.