Sexe Oral - Le sexe de Murphy Cooper

Episode Date: February 6, 2025

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A production from the SF studio. Today at the podcast, we have Murphy Cooper, who is an extraordinary being. He moved me a lot, he touched me. He's a sensitive, intelligent being. I really like his way of thinking, his way of being. I'm really inspired by his story. We talk a little bit about sexuality, but also about him in general. It's really worth listening to. Yes, it's one of our new favorite podcast, favorite guest. That's really it.

It's natural, it was sweet, it was true, it was everything. It was perfect. So thank you Murphy. Good listening to all. Today's podcast is presented by Oxio. And there, Oxio, they told us, you talk about us, they know you love us, we pay you so that for one minute you can compliment each other.

Take your minute, compliment each other. They pay us so we can compliment each other. To what extent they think we don't love each other and they want us to reconcile. They want to be sure that the podcast is hard. That's the action we saw in your game. Thank you so much. Joanie, I love you for so many reasons. But first of all, I think we're really, really complementary.

Well, yes. The podcast is like that because we're like made for each other. I don't know how the world understood how much it took for us to be a team, you and me, but the world understood and put us on the path of one another. You're smart, you're funny, you're beautiful, you're pretty, you're careful. You want what's best for humanity, people, your family, your friends, your boyfriend, your family. You're an extraordinary person, I love you. Can I say mirror? Yes, that's it. No, but it doesn't make sense, what you say is too nice. You're a great guy. You're a family. You're an extraordinary person. I love you.

Can I say mirror? Yes, that's it. No, but it doesn't make sense. What you say is so nice. I love you. Yes, for real, for that. We're a full complement. And you've brought me a lot. Just being closer to my feelings. And being a better friend, being a better person for others. But you, I have to say. This person doesn't have a good sense.

She's the most generous, attentive, sensitive person. Your sensitivity, she comes to me and makes me sensitive. Thank you for that. We complement each other. You're right. I love you and I will always love you. Thank you, Oxxio, for that, beautiful. It's not bad. We also love you, Oxxio. We love you as much as we love each other.

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Bien toi et le reste, vous étiez pas resté sur le bateau. Oui, c'est vrai. C'est la première fois que je me suis dit que j'allais parler de la vie. C'est la première fois que je me suis dit que j'allais parler de la vie. C'est la première fois que je me suis dit que j'allais parler de la vie. C'est la première fois que je me suis dit que j'allais parler de la vie. C'est la première fois que je me suis dit que j'allais parler de la vie. C'est la première fois que je me suis dit que j'allais parler de la vie.

C'est la première fois que je me suis dit que j'allais parler de la vie. C'est la première fois que je me suis dit que j'allais parler de la vie. C'est la première fois que je me suis dit que j'allais parler de la vie. C'est la première fois que je me suis dit que j'allais parler de la vie. C'est la première fois que je me suis dit que j'allais parler de la vie. C'est la première fois que je me suis dit que j'allais parler de la vie. C'est la première fois que je me suis dit que j'allais parler de la vie. We've been talking for so long. We never talked, except on the boat. You and Claude didn't stay on the boat. But Joanie, we talked a little more.

We got the chance to talk. We already met. And you forgot because I metamorphosed physically. Yes, we did the podcast with Julien Bernat-Chase. Is it Bernat-Chase or Bernat-Chase? Bernat-Chase. Bernat-Chase, that's right. I say that to Bernat-Chase. Julien too, if I remember correctly. It would be really fun to have him.

He is very... He has special stories to tell. And precisely, we are very curious about you. You never talked about your... In any case, if I'm not mistaken, you never talked about your sexuality on a podcast. It's true. I like to maintain the image. When I was taking a break, when they asked for the body count and all that, sometimes I was like, ah, OK. Fait que tu... On dirait que tout le monde a été wild, tout le monde, tu sais, rattache sa personnalité à une vie sexuelle très active.

Mais pas juste ça, mais ils sont très... Tu réalises que tout le monde est un être sexué. Pis moi, je suis comme... Mais moi, je suis un peu l'inverse de ça, je pense. J'aime beaucoup le sexe. Mais on dirait que j'aime... Ça me déplait pas de dégager l' reveal the image of someone who is not sexed. Well, I think, I think. And I find that interesting too because no Slot Shaming,

it takes, it's sexual health, it takes people who openly talk about sex. Your podcast is essential. But what I mean is that, you know, at one point, the image of the rock star who can have sex as he wants and all that, you know, at one point, I think it takes diversity. And, well, it doesn't bother me. And I'm happy to have that role. I think I have that role.

Especially when you're followed by younger people, you know? So, you know, to know that when you're with me, there's no ambiguity. It's like, you're a colleague, you're a friend, but there's no ambiguity, there's no, you know? So, to know that I don't necessarily release that image of being sexually, well, it's... it suits me.

How long has it been that it suits you? When did you become aware of that? I think it's always been a bit like that. Because when I was younger, I wasn't the one who attracted the most girls. I was a little big, I was super shy and all that. And I was also naturally the friend of the girls. And it was not seen as a good thing when I was younger.

Even with the girls. It seemed like when they told me, you don't seem ready to make love. And I was like, well, it's not true. Because I felt that my personal sexuality when I was at home, it was still precarious compared to other children my age. But I don't know, I didn't reveal that, I was revealing the image of the friend. And it seemed that I didn't have the right to be friends with girls,

just to be friends like that. And I was being shamed by guys as much as by girls. And it's recently, especially since I've been in a relationship for 18 years. And at some point, when you realize, when you have a stand, and you realize that, ah, okay, I can be both. I know there are girls who think I'm sexy, that I'm cute. And I also know that I have an atypical appearance. So I know that I like or dislike. But the moment I know that I can have both,

that I know that I a satypical appearance, so I know I like or dislike. But as long as I know I can have both, that I know I can please girls, and that at the same time, I don't need to be validated. So as long as I know I can get that validation, I'm in peace with that and I take on the role. And I'm like, anyway, I'm in a relationship with that, and I assumed the role. And I was like, anyway, I'm in a relationship. So, yeah. It's the fact that you're in a relationship too.

How did it start? Let's say your sexual awakening, that's the typical question. But how did it start? Oh, shit. It started very early. Yeah, how? I think I was eight years old. Around. Yeah, pretty much. I think I was about 8 years old. Oh, yeah?

I discovered that in the Sears magazines, I think. I was checking the bra section, like all the little guys of the time, I think. But I say early on compared to others. I don't know, in fact, I didn't... I didn't probe everyone, I have no idea, but I know that, you know, it was still very early, and... No, I was still wild when I was younger, but wild, you know, I really liked that, you know, playing after me, you know, it was in my little moments, and I was one of the first

to have internet at the time too, you know, so let's say... Oh yeah. Yeah, like in 97, you know, there weren't many people who had internet. So I discovered my sexuality even more in depth like that. So there was this more exotic side for me, since it wasn't everyone who had it. So I felt special to have access to this universe. So no, I was going to chat when I was 12, with people on chat,

you know, you know, you know, like, at the time it was like that, on American sites, in English, you know, because there wasn't a lot of... At least I didn't come across a lot of Quebecers, so it was like that. There was more anonymity at the time, so yeah, that's how I discovered my sexuality, I think. I think that you look really intriguing, but at the same time, it looks like... But like Julien, Julien, that's it. It doesn't look like he's a sexual being, but he's like one of the sexiest beings I know. So you, it looks like that one who makes me even more curious.

It seems like you're a person who likes extraordinary things or who likes it more. I'm not necessarily extraordinary. I have a foot fetish. Ah! Well, that's it. But yes, it's the most common fetish, I think, among men. I think so. It doesn't shock anyone. I'm not the type to sniff my feet. It's not my thing.

But that can shock. But otherwise, I don't think it shocks the fetish. Can you describe to us, what is your... Where did this foot finish come from? It was always that. I took Tequando classes when I was younger. And everyone was barefoot. And I noticed the feet of the girls. And for me, it was like an intimate part.

It was... yeah. So that's how I discovered it. What are you, Kwon Do? I'm a theater artist. But there's something artistic about it, you know, because it's not common, you know, feet. And you know, everyone has feet. So, you know, and it's not beautiful, the feet, at first. You don't find that beautiful in the collective imagination, you know.

So I don't know, I tend to throw that away, feet, because it's like, it's like the person gives you access to when she's more free, more relaxed in her living room, and all that. That's when everyone is barefoot at home, and all that. And especially in Quebec, in winter, everyone is in boots, with big wool boots, and we're cold.

I don't know, there's something like... I reveal that to you. I reveal a bit of my intimacy. It's what's most intimate. And it also represents dance. I don't know, when someone drops their shoes, it's the way people walk, everything is in the foot. So, I don't know, when someone drops their phone, it's the way people walk, everything is in the foot. So, I don't know.

But I think it's more... There's something that's explained more scientifically than just... It's not just an artist's business, I think. I think there's really... I had read somewhere, but still, it may not have anything to do with it. But I had read that there was a connection in the head

that linked the foot to the sexual organ. And those who had a foot fetish, it's just that the two connections were closer and they touched each other. Whatever. I don't want to disinform anyone. I had read that. But the toe is like an erogenous zone, so it's maybe if... Yeah.

You know, if... Do you, let's say, get your toes licked? Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, with someone who doesn't like it, well, my girlfriend doesn't like it, so I don't need to be like that. It's like, I just need to know that the foot is close. Sometimes I... You can't have a beautiful bottom, ideally. It's sexy, bottoms. It can be sexy.

Oh! Well, beautiful, clean, clean bottoms. No, but you know, what represents the... Oh, it's serious, clean bottoms. Well, yes, it makes you know, very clean. No, but you know, what represents the... Ah, that's serious, clean ass. Well, yes, well, it makes the demarcation of... No, argh, they don't care about the dirty ass. No, but it's not dirty, dirty, dirty. Good guys, I clearly am not sexy.

No, no, it's sexy. Do you think that, let's say... Like... No, wait, I just want to explain. Me, let's say my feet, it's the thing that I hate the most because I'm like... So, fuck, people just want to explain. For me, my feet are the thing I hate the most, because I'm like, don't give a fuck, people don't watch that. It's not going to turn on me, Isande, because I'm not... I'm not comfortable with it, like, admit on the spot.

No, no, no, no. Hey, that's not what I wanted. That's your podcast, that's it. That's not what I wanted. Hey, I'm sorry if you thought that was it. The podcast is that. It's not for the anime. Well, what do you want? I'm all good you thought that was it. The podcast was that. Continue.

I'm not angry. Do you think that a foot left out like mine, that is like cutie, that is like badly put, all that, clean, I also clean my nails. You clean your nails, Dorthée? Yes, to keep my elasticity.

Are you serious? I've always done that. I've never cut my nails, never in my elasticity. Are you serious? Yeah, I've always done that. Oh yeah. I've never cut my nails. Never in my entire life. I've never had a cut nail. Cut nail. Anyway, that thing. You knew that.

Yeah, that's it. Liza has a problem with that. But... That... Well, I think it also makes me connect with my foot, you know? Okay. Arrgh. Okay, it's really gross.

No, it's not true. That's a a joke. But my question is, is that for you, it's any foot, for you, is it correct or do you need a standard? And if yes, what is your standard? No, I don't have a standard. It's like, you know, it's like the breasts,

or, you know, I mean, it's natural. So, you know, I mean, there's not, there's not a pair of breasts that are not real breasts, you know? So I go with it, there's not a pair of saints who aren't real saints. So, I go with nature. So, it's like... That's it. I conditioned myself with time.

We weren't all conditioned to find that all forms of the body are the right form. But, Chris, we have access to that. We have access to porn. And why would you limit yourself to just... You know, that's nature. These breasts are like that. They're breasts, so they're beautiful breasts. You know, there's no...

There's no ugly breasts. There are no feet that are ugly either. You know, it's for sure that there are people who are attracted by feet that are more... There are people who like the smell of feet, feet that have walked all day. I really don't like my... I like clean feet. But otherwise, I mean...

No, there's no... So the Ecutex or whatever, because that too, it's like... The Ecutex, it adds, it adds a lot. Yes, yes, of course because that too, it's like... The cutex adds a lot. It adds. Yes, yes, of course, it adds. But no, it's more, you know, it's more the whole person. It's the personality, and the foot just adds. I can't just go check out foot pictures on the internet,

or, let's say, if it's someone I don't like, but like, those feet won't do me any good. It's really a question of romancing the person, the whole of the person. It's not just a foot for a foot, let's say. Or that the foot belongs to a good person. Did you do a kind of coming out at the blonde at one point? A kind of, I'm tripping my feet.

Did you do that? It wasn't a coming out. It was just, here's what's in it. And that's just it. And yeah. What did she say? She was really happy. She doesn't like that. She hates her feet. And it's for sure that it triggered

a little ooooh! But when she was at life, it wasn't a king shaming or whatever. But no, no. And she let me do it once or twice just to say it was done and it was fixed. But that's it. Do...

I don't know if she'll like it if I say it, but she let me let go of her feet. Once or twice. I thought that was my salvation with the feet. It's... yeah. But it's not... That too, with the feet. Yeah, but it's not... That's cool too. Yeah, yeah. I don't know if that's the thing I like the most. No, but I don't know if it's... Yeah, no, it's cool. Yeah, yeah, the palm of the foot.

It's interesting, the effects. Yeah, yeah. Did you do that already? Did you do that already? I think so. Yeah? Well, it looks like... I have the impression that all the guys or people with a penis want to try this. I don't think it's like... In any case, I've done it several times to try it with my partner. And it's like they say in a joke, like,

Hey, put me on your feet. I'm like, OK, you know. And we do it, and it's funny, and it's fun, you know. It's different. But I think it's like something... I think the curve of my foot is too big. Like, it... it does that. It... anyway.

Did you have to do it, let's say... Do you remember the first time you told someone in your life that you expressed it? No, it's never been a chain for real. It's really... It's because I don't need that. And for me, it's super important in everything that the person enjoys. Because if I have the impression that the person doesn't enjoy, it doesn't interest me. That's what interests me.

It's when the person likes that. If, let's say, the person doesn't like to do a fallacy, like, I wouldn't like to make a fool of themselves, like, I wouldn't like that, you know, because I want it to be 50-50. So it's like that in everything. So, you know, when I talk about it, it's like, I want you to know that you don't have to get involved with me in there, you know. And I'm still going to be together in this story, and I don't need that, you know? I don't need that to... to flourish, you know?

I understand. It's like... it's like us, I guess, when we have a particular fetish, we're not... Let's say, I don't know, a fetish is... bad. But you don't have to do it, you know, to be happy. You, yes, but let's say... No, but in the sense that there are some for who it takes more space than others,

it doesn't have to be generalized in the sense that there are really people for who, let's say, they started the life of BDSM and who would never see each other again in a relationship called vanishing. It happens, but it depends on the space you leave to your king. If you're happy in your relationship and you don't need it, my God, so much the better. Yeah, yeah, that's it. Well, just the view, you know, just to know, as I said earlier, just to know that it's there. But it's also, you know, it's like, it's the whole, it's the image, you know, it's like, you know, let's just say, you know, to have

both legs while we're doing it and that both legs, you know, the feet are here, you know, well, my eyes are aware that it's there, you know, it's there. So, you know, or just the feet here, let's say, you know, it's like, so it's, and anyway, that's it. You know, it's also the fear of being disgusted. You know, it was that, my childhood, my adolescence, you know, I was a little big, and you know, people used me to disgust girls, you know. So let's say, in the middle of the night, I was in the bathroom, and I was like,

I'm going to go to the bathroom, and I'm going to go to the bathroom. And I was like, I was a little big boy. And people used me to disgust girls. So let's say, ah, you sleep with him or blah, blah, blah, or ah, you're in a relationship with him. I made jokes like that where girls pretended to be in a relationship with me just for a joke, to make their friends laugh and all that. So at one point, it's like... It's a trauma, you know? So, you're afraid to disgust people. So, you know, my whole life is like that now.

And it's part of me, it's a good thing. It should always be like that, you know? To make sure that you're not only... You have the consent, but you have the, ah, yes, I want it in Tabarnak. It's a plus. Well, it's necessary, it's essential, it should always be that. But it seems like how I arrived in life, in society, it pushed me even more to be

early on, because I didn't have to learn it. I've always been like that. Did you come from the first proximity you had with a girl? Yes. Or someone? Yes, yes, yes. It was special because I lost weight without doing it on purpose when I was a teenager. It was during my growth period. And then it was...

How did you do it on purpose? I was skating. I was skating a lot. During my growth period, I was skating all the time. And then I lost like 50 pounds in one summer. I changed school. I got into another school. What's nice is that people didn't know me.

There was no hypocrisy. It wasn't like, now that he's older, we think he's handsome. At least I didn't have to go through that. I went through agro-phobia at another it was like I went through agoraphobia at another school, and after that I went back to another school. So it was just new faces. So at least that was it.

And the girls found me cute at that school. So then I had heard for the first time from a girl I had just met, she was one of my new friends, she told me, hey, Véro, elle te trouve cute », pis je l'avais vraiment spoté en plus, pis mon cœur a failli lâcher parce que j'avais quoi, j'avais 16 ans. C'était la première fois de ma vie qu'on me disait ça,

qu'une fille me trouvait de son goût. Pis j'étais comme, « Ça se peut pas, c'est impossible ». Pis là, ben finalement, on a passé quelques jours ensemble pendant la semaine de relâche, tu sais, ben pas ensemble, genre a dormi l'un, tu sais, on était pas rendus l'un. Pis c'était drôle parce que moi je sais pas, lire les signes, j'ai de la... ben là, un peu plus maintenant, mais j'avais tellement de misère, je savais pas comment embrasser, j'avais aucune idée, genre c'est qu'en le moment, tu sais. Je suis pas capable de lire cette situation-là.

Fait que moi, faut que je le dise, faut que je demande. Quand c'est avec des gens que je connais pas, pis qu'on l'a jamais fait encore, So I have to say it. I have to ask. When it's with people I don't know, and we've never done it yet. So I have to say it. Or else it's just... With her, it was literally just before she left to go to her place, it was like... it was literally like... It was so dry and tired. It was like... And then I was like... And it was so like... It was so like a dream for me because I was like,

I can't believe I had frenched a girl. It was impossible. And then I went back home and I texted her on... Was it Messenger that we used? Or ICQ, I don't remember. And I said to her, do we have... Do we have frenched or was it just in my head?

And she said yes, yes. And then I was like said yes, yes. And then I was like, oh, okay. I wasn't even there. I left my body. So it was a memorable moment for you. Yes, yes, yes. Really.

It was the first time we were interested in me. It took all that time. At first, I had asked someone else, another girl, that no one wanted to know anything about her to go to the ball. And she wanted... That girl didn't even want to go to the ball with me. It was rough. It was rough. But that's all I've known.

What are the impacts that it had? You say it's a trauma, clearly. Is it still playing on your relationship at the moment, after 18 years, or is it going? No, no, no, it's going, it's going. And at the beginning, was it harder for you? The trust in you? Well, it's because I've lived both. Because since I've become thin, and I'm not saying you're not beautiful when you're big, but I mean, that was in high school.

When I became thin, girls were interested in me. So I knew both worlds. That's what's weird. And when I got out of high school, I gained weight again. And then I was back in the same place. Girls were less interested in me. And then I lost weight again. So it. The girls were less interested in me and all that. And then I lost weight again.

So it's always been that way in my life. So I have access to both universes. So I've always had access to both universes. I see the changes in behavior with people. I see people who come back to see me, who had abandoned me when I had grown up. So it's all that. But otherwise, it just made me more empathetic.

Plus, you know, I have an insatiable will to understand people, since I wanted to understand why people behaved like that with me. I also, you know, I want... And I also know that it's never been the fault of girls. It's always been bigger than humans. It's society, it's not... It's the dictators, it's not the people that are the problem. So I've always wanted to understand girls.

And, you know, to be in a relationship with a girl, well, it's a great opportunity, it's a nice safe space, to ask questions, to try to understand, to go deep into things, you know, and to form just one with that person, and to go and look for all the femininity that you can go and look for, all the understanding, all that was demystified, all that... also to be able to admit to a girl, hey, it intimidates me, girls, because that's the problem, I often find,

is that guys have difficulty recognizing that girls can be intimidating. And rather than recognizing it, well, they adopt a little bit hostile behaviors towards girls. Or, you know... Macho, I guess. Yeah, that's it. So that's it. It's super important. It's the first thing, to say,

Christ, it intimidates me. And it's intimidating. It's true that. It's the first thing. It's to say, Christ, it intimidates me. And it's intimidating. It's true that it's intimidating. Maybe not as intimidating as I am now, but it's been intimidating for a long time. And that's it. The first thing to do is to recognize that it intimidates you. Because when you say it, it becomes your problem.

And then you can work from that. It's your perception, it's you who sees things like that. Yes, it's also what you receive, but these people have been conditioned in a certain way. And if I had been in that position myself, if I hadn't been the poor, the big, the shy, when I was in primary school, I would probably have been like everyone else.

It's beyond everyone's understanding. It's just that it's a privilege to have had what I had when I was younger because I was able to develop within the scope of what people... Everyone was like, we're happy to be like everyone else. And it's really a blessing to tell myself, I was able to really get away from all that and really focus on my personality. And maybe earlier than everyone else, I tried to be the best version of myself,

and try to understand people and all that. And now, that's it. It helps me a lot in my relationships. You're a really nice example to give to everyone. Oh, well, thank you. Congratulations. Thank you, that's nice. That's really great what you say, and for everyone. It touches me a lot.

Is your relationship with your body today, a little bit like tainted with what you've been through, or are you really okay with it? I'm okay with that. It's for sure that I'm small, I'm not big. So sometimes people who meet me in real life, they scare me that I'm not big, I know. But as if it was a disappointment, like, I'm not indebted to you. I'm not indebted tovable from the expectations you had. I don't even understand why you're giving me the trouble to say that.

I'm not in a relationship with you. We're not on a date. I already have a girlfriend. What are these expectations compared to me? It makes me feel a little more my size. When I watch Vox pop, it's like it's shaming guys who aren't big and all that. Because I'm like... Sometimes it comes out as if it was so serious, as if... And then I'm like, wow, wait, wait, wait.

All my life I've been able to navigate without... And it's never been a problem for me, it's never been an obstacle to be small. So why are you telling me that it should be like that? Why are you adding problems? I've come to the end of all the traumas I've had in my adolescence because of agrosophobia, poverty, and all that. Why should I be added a layer? That bothers me a little.

But it's... Sometimes I listen to feminist podcasts, and then when they start talking about that, about men's size and all that, I'm like, ah, you have the right, at the very least, it's empowerment, to choose someone who corresponds more to your standards, to give you the choice, and to reverse the situation a little,

and to be the one who is more in the position of it's me who decides that, you know, perfect, but it's going to lessen my search. So, you know, rather than complaining, I'm just going to look for feminist podcasts that will be more chill with the head. It pushes men back to toxic masculinity, I think. We have a question for our listeners.

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they may not need to be valued because they have standard beauty criteria. Like muscular guys, guys, whatever. I have the impression that these people are less... I don't know. They have less discussion, they have less interaction. In any case, less people with whom I had interests. And at the end, I was so off that I was like,

well, my criteria now is, I don't want to have those beauty criteria anymore because I don't find those people interesting. I have the impression that those people know they're beautiful, so they don't force themselves. Yeah, I understand. So I turned to the other criteria. But in return, Claude Bégin?

Claude is an exception. He's the only one. But there are exceptions. Often, exceptions are people who have weight problems, who have lost weight, who have been taken in hand. Poverty too. And then, it's too big and too small. It's also people who are marginalized because they have, you know, the scarves and all that.

But it's okay as a standard. For me, it's perfect. Girls have a standard. It doesn't bother me. It's perfect. Everyone has their preferences. My preferences are really fucking wide. But if there are some that their preferences are a guy who is fucking big,

then that's great. But my problem is to universalize these tastes. And you know, like, I remember, you know, I had a girlfriend for a very long time, obviously, because I've been in a relationship for 18 years. So, but before, you know, and then, you know, it was like, she had to go to the approval of her friends. And her friends were like, well, he's not big. So, you know, like, our relationship,

like, couldn't work because she didn't have the validation of her friends. But I was like, but Chris, you like, Christ, why try to validate, to universalize your standards? Everyone has their own vision of what's beautiful, of what's not. But otherwise, to answer the question, my weight, I'm super comfortable with that. I gained a lot of weight in 2000, from 2012, 2013. And that's when I got a big beard at that time. And then I had launched the slogan,

Gros is de Nouveau. And that, for me, was super important. It was the first time I allowed myself to spread myself on the Internet with a big body. It was the first time I didn't feel the need to lose weight. And it was super important for me to accept myself like that, and for others to accept me like that, but especially myself. And at one point, I had a click and I was like,

I think I'm beautiful. Because I was looking at myself. And I realized that the problem was not that I didn't find myself beautiful when I was big. The problem was the people's gaslighting. Which, every time you tried to be realistic and you said, Hey, I'm big. And you know, not to complain, just, that's the reality. Here's the reality, I'm big. People said, well no, you're not big.

And then they compared you to other people bigger. And then at some point I was like, oh, okay. So I was like, well, you're not big. And then he compared me to other bigger people. And then at some point I was like, okay. So I was like, I'm not big yet because everyone was the reflection of what I was. So I was like, okay, I'm not big. But then after that, when I was confronted by someone who said to me, you're a little chubby or you're big, or when I saw myself in other angles and it wasn't me

who had total control of how I was spreading myself, and it was. Or when I saw myself in the mirror, you know, full-foot mirrors, in front of people, it wasn't me who controlled it. Because it looked like you controlled your mirror. You control the image you have in your mirror at home. But in front of people, I was like, oh, it's not me. And then I was like, oh, Chris, that's what I look like.

Not because I was fat, it's just that I was fat, but because I was fat, because I was fat, because I was fat, because I was like, oh, it's not me. And then I was like, oh, Christ, that's what I look like. Not because I was big. It's just that it was always a surprise. Because I was like, Christ, people always gaslight me to tell me, you're not big, you're not big, you're not big. And I was also working on my image depending on what was fitting me,

the angles that were fitting me and all that. But that's when I realized that when I have total control of my image and that I see myself in all dimensions, all angles, the problem is not that But that's when I realized that when I have total control of my image and that I can see myself in all the dimensions, all the angles, the problem is not that I'm big. The problem is that I didn't really know what I looked like.

It was really just that, the problem. And from the moment I got a whole view, I was like, oh, I'm beautiful. And it was settled. And then, from the moment I knew I was looking good, and I was in peace with it, I was like, now I can lose weight, but this time, it's not because of the pressure of people.

It's not because of the others that I do it. It's not because I'm getting fat. It's because, you know, at that time, I had... It's because when I start eating too much, sometimes it's out of control, and I wasn't feeling well. I wasn't feeling well anymore. It was a matter of health, in my case, because I think we can be fat and healthy, but in my case, it was something else.

So it was really important for me to accept myself like that, to find myself beautiful, and when it was done, I was in peace because it wasn not violence that I'm doing. And even when I was fucking nostalgic, when I had become human, I was like, oh, was I beautiful when I was big? I really liked the person I was. And even today, I look at photos

and I'm super at peace with that. And I get bored of that version of me. Your blonde accompanied you in all those cycles of... Yes, she knew different versions of me. That's what's beautiful. It hasn't always been easy, like in all relationships, but now we're in a nice place. So it's cool. When did you connect? She and you? Oh my God, on Mon Classeur in 2007. Did you know Mon Classeur?

No. It was Marc Boileur's website, it was a meeting site that took the lead of Do You Look Good at the time. And it was huge. Marc Boileur formed several couples at that time. And that's it, we met in 2007 on that. She had a boyfriend at the time.

I had just come out of a relationship of three months, but I was still in love. We were talking on Messenger and it just clicked, despite the fact that she had a boyfriend. But because she had a boyfriend, we didn't force things. We weren't force things. We weren't even flirting. So we realized that we were just talking,

and we wouldn't stop talking. Then we talked on the phone. We were talking on the phone, and we couldn't let go. Then we finally met. I invited her to a hip-hop show. At the time, I was co-owner of a hip-hop website. In fact, that's where I met Claude.

We didn't meet there, but we were in the same universe. I remember we had seen each other in a gala, the MU gala at the time, Montreal Underground. He was there with Eman. So yeah, that's it, in 2007. Wow. You were 11. How? I was 11.

You were 11. You were 11. You were 11. Like? Hey, but... Ouch. I'm going to be 40 on November 3. You look good in your beard.

Well, thank you. You look like a tattoo. And what was the question? Oh yeah, we had an meeting at the show Hip Hop. It was a great street. It was really funny. And then after that, we just... And then she called her boyfriend at that time.

Well, that was the first time we met. And then I thought that... Because she hadn't texted me back. And I was like, I don't think she liked me. And then she just fell asleep. And finally the next morning, she texted me with a bunch of Xs and little hearts. And I was like, ah!

So I thought I clicked. And then we met again. She came to sleep at our place. And that's when she called her boyfriend. She said, it's over. We never left each other again. And since then, you know, it's not... It's the same thing as in 2007. Even though it's better. But you know, there's not one moment

where we don't talk for hours. We can talk all the time, all the time. You know, and... You know, I have a comedy podcast with Julien, you know, with my friends. And I mean, I do my show at home with her. You know, it's like, sometimes I have ideas. I with Julien, with my friends. And I do my show at home with her. Sometimes I have ideas, I think of those ideas.

And then I go to disturb her in the bedroom. And then I arrive, I go in with my new character. And then I'm like, okay, that's fine. She found it funny. And then after that, I go, I let her go on the podcast. That's our relationship. That's all the time. And yeah, it's still beautiful.

After, it was difficult during... There were really difficult periods, but now we're really, really in a beautiful place where we're like, hey, we know it. We know it's forever. We've known it recently. It took time, but yeah. How did you get through the difficult time?

Well, she moved out at one point. She had her own little studio downtown. Finally, COVID-19 hit. And she just never moved out. She broke her baille because otherwise we would never have been able to see each other. So then we had to learn to coexist during COVID-19, during lockdowns. It was tough. She had lost her father in 2019.

So it was rough because I had never lost a parent. So I didn't really know how to act. And everyone lived their own way. And her way of living the mourning was to be alone in her corner and not talk to people. So it was difficult for me because I'm someone who needs to communicate everything step by step. And then it was really difficult. And And in 2021, I lost my father.

So it was still a difficult period. We went through a lot of periods, really big, big tests. Sometimes it almost ended. And finally, we always found a way to join the halfway and be in communication all the time. And also to be very self-critical, you know, because it's never just the fault of the other.

There's always something, we all have dead angles, even when you think you're not in the wrong. There may be something that makes you say, yes, you weren't in the wrong, even when you think you're not late, there's maybe something that makes you think, yes, you're not late, but did you see why she was interpreting it that way? And that's it. It's all the time going deep into things, so that's how we managed to get where we are. And no gaslighting, because that's the worst thing.

Sometimes people try to defend themselves, but that's it. A relationship as healthy as possible. There you go. In your daily life, because you were talking about... How do I say that? You were talking about your curiosity about humans and the fact that you don't have the choice to adapt in another way, so to learn. At the moment, in your daily life, I'm curious, what do you listen to or what do you put yourself in front of to be able to change your opinion all the time?

My current approach from last year. When I... Well, you know what I'm talking about, I guess. When I'm... Well, for people who don't know, when I'm in the city center, well, I go downtown at the time of the rush, at the most crowded place in Quebec. Then I sit down with my tripod and I wait for people to come and talk to me. And it doesn't take long for people to come and talk to me.

I can have like 60 interactions in... If I stay there for an hour, I can have 60 interactions in an hour. And these are people from all spheres, all social classes, from all kinds of physics. Sometimes, let's say, it's girls that I would have told at another time, she would never have addressed me the word or things like that. So it really reconciles me a lot with people, you know, since I come from a precarious environment. So, you know, the will-or-not, my dynamic that I had

with the middle class when I was younger was completely different because the middle class at my school, at all the schools where I went, you know, what they wanted was to be all the same person, have the same lunch box, the same clothes, the same shoes, go to the same places, the same restaurant. Everyone wanted to be the same person, and everyone congratulated each other

for not being like me. That was it. There was no competition between them. It was my perspective. That's how I saw things. It was really... It was very easy. It was like...

As long as you were like everyone else, and you were stepping down the walls... It's a bit like that, Big Brother celebrity. As soon as someone drops a rock, you're happy that it's not you who's the target. So everyone was happy that it wasn't them who was the target. But I was always the one who sacrificed, me and the other little poor people.

So there's always one. So at some point, that's it. And you see that everything is governed by the fact that... We're all indebted to each other because there's always someone who was sacrificed somewhere so that you can lay down the walls and your education can be done in peace and it's not obstructed by obstacles outside or intimidation or things like that. So that's what's interesting. So I wait for people to come to me, and that's also super important in my approach

because I've always been afraid of being disturbed, I've always been afraid of being rejected, J'attends que les gens viennent à moi, puis ça aussi c'est super important dans ma démarche parce que vu que j'ai tout le temps eu peur de déranger, j'ai tout le temps eu peur d'être rejeté, ben j'ai de la difficulté à aller moi-même vers les autres. Pis moi, c'est pas moi qui vais aller... Si j'étais célibataire, mettons, je serais pas le genre de dude à dropper dans le Inbox des filles, mettons. J'attends que les gens viennent à moi, pis ben c'est en phase avec ma démarche. I'm waiting for people to come to me. And it's in phase with my approach. I'm waiting for people to come to me. And at least that way, you know that it's not you who asked for it. It's the people who came to you.

So at least you don't feel that you're too much or that you're a parasite. So when people come to see me, I'm like, Oh Chris, it's nourishing, it's beautiful. And it really reconciles me with the human because I talk to all kinds of people. And also, it's fun because people see it, people have access to it. So people, since there are different types of people, it's everyone who can recognize themselves in the interactions I have with people.

So people can also reconcile with the human being by looking at it. So people are like, oh, okay, he talked to someone who looks like me, so I don't feel threatened, so I could go talk to him. Because sometimes that's it. People, influencers, the Vedettes, it's often like, we're going to hang out with a certain type of person, we're just going to go to the elitist places, you know, with...

You know, we're just going to meet with beautiful people, or we're just going to... And that, well, it makes sure that, you know, even if you try to be close to your audience, the audience isn't stupid, the audience sees that you're just with one type of person, you know. Whereas when you see videos like that, and you see that, okay, no, no, but it's really, it's literally everyone, you know.

There's no discrimination. It's really everyone, and I have the same energy with everyone. And it's true, like, when I walk down the street, I may look stupid, but as soon as someone comes to see me, like, just the fact that someone thinks of me, no matter my level of notoriety, no matter how long I've had this notoriety, it's always on fire. It lights up my eyes. I have sparkles. As soon as someone comes to talk to me, I'm like, wow, someone thought of me. So I'm always happy. I'm always happy to have conversations with people.

I give a little too much for their money. Sometimes I can. Sometimes people just come and say hi, and I start to get interested in their lives. Because it really interests me. I'm like, Chris, we never have that. We're divided, like the algorithms divide us. And all that, like, you came to talk to me, and you seem to have the time. And I'm like, okay, well, I'm going to ask you questions,

and you answer me if you have the time. Otherwise, it's fine, but I love that. I love that. It reconciles me a lot. You have to help a lot of people. It seems like nothing. Maybe you tell people to go, they say hello, but probably there are people who, as you say, they don't pass by by chance, and it feels good that you talked to them too, so they feel very important. I don't have that claim. I don't see it in this eye. I'm sure, at 4000%, that there are a lot of people who volunteer to feel important

because you make important people feel important. As much as it must help you, it helps a lot of people. It's first of all selfish. Not selfish, but it helps me a lot. It's a nice therapy. Yes, that's it. But I really like people. I've always tried to understand people. And people don't talk anymore.

We're always in a hurry. We're always in a hurry. It's always a go. We always have something better to do than to connect with someone. There's always something. Including our phones, which are clearly the biggest obstacle to our connection with the human being. So what you do for real, bravo.

When I discovered you, I was like, what is he doing? And then I was like, wow, that's crazy what he's doing. I don't know if you realize, but he has a lot of power. You can't stop me from thinking about that. I just keep going. You must be addicted to that, clearly. Not addicted, but... When you're there, you must have trouble going there.

Like, you like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I love that. I admit it's gonna be very annoying. You're not going to go out, like, you like that? Yes, yes, yes. It's draining. I love that. Yes, I admit it was draining. Well, you know, just, you know, when I leave my house, I have that all the time. Oh yeah. So it's camera, not camera, it's all the time like that. So I love that.

It's like, but that's it, you know, someone told me recently, well, if you said it must be draining, well, you're also public figures, so you know. You live it, you too. I never got up in a warm place while waiting for you. When you leave your home, there are people who recognize you. I like it because when I say draining, it's more like if you give so much energy to each person, for example, several... I always answer the same thing now because that's what I realized.

What would be draining would be if people didn't allow me to be who I am. If they didn't accept me as I am. It's draining when I go to events and people just follow a part of what I did. They assume what I do, who I am, and then they start telling me, you, you're such a thing. And then I'm like, no, you did a very bad reading, and you have a very bad listening, you don't have the right curiosity.

And then I'm forced to explain to you what I do, but I'm forced to deconstruct the image that you just made of me. That's annoying when people don't really understand who you are and they don't give themselves the pleasure. So that's very draining. But I feel like people follow me in everything I do. When I started making my videos on the process of creating clothes,

it didn't take long. The switch was immediately done. And now, people just talk to me about my creations. Before, people knew... I wore my creations all the time. I didn't put that in the front because I never wanted to put the mercantile aspect of the front. And now that people are aware that I'm the one who makes my clothes, and that they see the process and all that, people are only talking about my clothes.

So I think that's nice. The switch was made super quickly. But that's it. Otherwise, what would be draining too, je pense que ça serait, ça c'est, je l'ai vécu quand j'ai maigri, c'est quand les gens te reconnaissent juste une fois de temps en temps. Parce que là, t'es comme entre les deux, pis t'es comme, il y a quelqu'un qui vient te voir, pis là t'es comme, ah, il m'a comme donné, t'sais, il m'a complimenté sur mes affaires, mais ça va être quand la prochaine fois, genre, fait que là, time? So you go back to your life, and you can put your music back on, and no one comes to talk.

So it looks like you have to switch between the two worlds, but you never know when people will come to talk to you. There's something a little bit... But when you're 100% in there, and you know that it's certain, that people will surely come to talk to you, and that it will be your day, and that you can talk to about 50 people just because you're going downtown. It's one or the other.

Because between the two, I have a lot of difficulty with that, because you never know on which foot to dance. You never know how... People come to see you and you're like... Anyway, I don't know how to explain it. No, no, no, we'll do it. I like it better to be 100% in there because it's immersive,

and I can at least pretend that my life is a movie. I leave home and I'm ready to... My life is a theater. But you can't do that when there are just two or three people per month who come to talk to you because you're like... That's it. So you're forced to... People force you to go back to your theater.

And then you're like, hi, yeah, yeah, okay, blah, blah. And then after that, you're like, but next time, I don't know, it's going to be when, so you're coming back. And then you're in another world. So yeah, that's it. I don't know how to explain it. And also, I'm scared. It's hard to explain these things.

Because it's my thing, it's my approach. But it's hard to explain it without looking like it. You're presumptuous. Well, no. There's a question I'm wondering about. Yesterday, I wanted to ask Arnaud. Arnaud, hi, welcome. Your girlfriend, how does she feel when you're outside and you're the only one who's around? I recently realized that I was told that my boyfriend, Louis, lives in your shadow. How does he feel?

So I wonder, and when I heard that, I was like, ah, that's a little true, you know? It's a little true. It's true, it's true. Because let's say... And you know, he doesn't want to go out. He never wants to go out. He always wants to make soup at home. And recently, he told me that... Because he didn't like that. Because he said, you know... You're being talked about. We don't talk to you recently.

And there's a person who talked to me for an hour. So, you know, he said, wherever we are, and he said it to me. And before that, someone told me that. He said, your husband must live in your name. And it really struck me. And I wonder if in your case, if it's something that...

Has it ever been a problem? Is it something you feel again? And what's the solution that you have? Well, first of all, Louis is perfectly comfortable with that. He doesn't live in your number. He doesn't feel like that. Well, actually, I didn't talk to him. Recently, he told me that he didn't like it so much to go out with me

because he didn't like that... He said, he told me, the world is talking to you. And he said, my nose is long. Yeah, yeah. I see what you mean. So I kind of realized it. He never told me. And I know he feels good. And I know he's proud of me, and I know he's happy.

But it's something I ask myself as a question. And I tell myself, it's a little of that outside. How Tablon did it for... You're in public, people come to approach you. Is it something you feel, Tab blonde? That you feel that... Oh, don't worry about that, get used to it. I've been doing this for 10 years, but it's really intense. It's never been as intense as it is right now.

No, get used to it. And she, you know, because if she's for this... She does her own little things too. She has her little illustration projects. Her little projects, it sounds so condescending. No, but... No, no, but she has her own business. She has her own illustration projects. Her own projects, it sounds so condescending. No, no, no, no, she has her own projects. No, but it sounded like, I have her own little business.

It sounds like a little DIY. No, it's not. She has her own projects. And she wants to be recognized, but she wants to be recognized for that and not for me. And also, her sister, sister is a public figure too. So, you know, she's used to living that,

and she doesn't feel like she's in the shade at all. And... no. And she finds that cute, you know. Because she sees the evolution, you know, she sees sometimes, you know, we walk around, and then you have doubts, like six feet that are super strong, and then they're like, I love you Murphy, I love you so much Murphy, you don't know how I love you. She finds it beautiful, men who tell me what they love me, like,

she's like, ah but, how come men tell you that? Like, they're also at ease to tell you that, I'm like, yeah, it's new. It was never like that before. Before men, it was when my first wave of of known life, of notoriety, it was often, guys, it seems like their way of expressing themselves was to be sarcastic. It was all the time that. It was in sarcasm. It was just because, you know, it was like, I know who you are, I want to come talk to you, but I don't want you to feel that I'm putting you on a pedestal, so I'm going to be sarcastic.

It was always like that. Well, it was often like that, actually. What did he say, let's say? You know, it was things that had to do with it. Oh, your videos aren't bad, Murph. No, no, it was more like, hey Murphie, hey, I have carrots, Murphie, do you want carrots? Hey Murphie, you don't like carrots? Murphy, I have carrots, Murphy, do you want carrots? Hey Murphy, he doesn't like carrots, is Murphy fat?

It was often that, but now there really was a switch. It's really nice, the guys are really... They allow you to say more than you think. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it really changed. It's true, there's like a real trigger. I'm just curious, is there a moment in your life where you remember where you would have liked to be in the norm? You were talking earlier about when you were the middle class who wanted to be all the same. Is there a moment when you have this wanted to be one of those people?

Never. I know there are people who do everything to get out of it and to be in the norm. I never, because I have parents in the North, well, my father died there, but I knew that I had the privilege of having the parents I had. That was the greatest privilege, above all other privileges. People could travel twice a year, people could have all the privileges they wanted. I was like, you don't have the privilege to have my parents. So that, for me, was super precious.

And I also accepted the verdict of being the person I was, of being in the environment I was in. So when I left home and I was in society, I had the impression that I was constantly in error. Because that's what people made you feel all the time, that you were in error. You didn't have the right lunch box. You didn't talk the right way. You didn't say the right things.

You didn't do the right thing. You don't put the right thing. You don't hold your fork in the right way. You don't have what we have, and blah, blah, blah, and all that. But as soon as I got home, I was in a safe space, and I was like, I'm not in error, in this wrong cell. So for me, it was very precious.

And I was able to do things for others too. And that's it. What are the most beautiful lessons you've learned? To communicate. My father had difficulty communicating his emotions. He was a baby boomer of his time. He was a strong man who looked like a motorbike. But when he was...

I think... Yeah, that's it. The thing my father taught me was to never let the other think that he's in the wrong when you're the one who is. Let's say you get angry with someone because you're impatient. It's super important to quickly recognize, not to let the other think that he was wrong when he wasn't. So, don't gaslight people. That's essential. It's essential in all relationships. So, no, that's it. Let's say my father, when he was in error, let's say with my mother and all that, he worked very early in the morning, and my mother left him a little word before going to bed. Then my father, when he woke up, he read my mother's little word, and he wrote one before leaving.

And I read them because it comforted me to know that my parents were always doing well among themselves and communicating. Even if it was just written, they communicated. For me, it was really precious. And to see that my father would apologize, or that I would tell the guy that I apologize for having done such a thing, or things like that.

It was always recognizing your mistakes little by little. And not also... excuse d'avoir fait tell affaire ou des choses comme ça. Fait que tu sais, c'était toujours reconnaître tes târes au fur et à mesure. Puis de pas aussi, ça c'est un truc que mon père faisait beaucoup, c'était de pas attendre que les gens te reprochent un comportement avant de le corriger, tu sais, d'apprendre des erreurs des autres, tu sais. Fait que si mettons, je vois que quelqu'un, ah ça, ça me dérangeait, est-ce que moi je fais ça? Ah, ok oui, c'est peut-être pour ça que ça me dérange parce que moi aussi je fais ça. Fait que tu sais, j'attends's why it bothers me. Because I do that too.

So I don't expect people to blame me. There are a lot of things that people will never have the chance to blame me because I corrected that before. Always be three steps ahead before... It's super important. I think.

My daughter, you touch me a lot. It's true. I had my eyes in the you touch me a lot. It's true. I had my eyes on the water all along the podcast. I don't know why there's something with who you are, your path, how you tell, that upsets me. I was just telling myself, am I being flat? Not so much. All along the podcast, I was like, upside down. Ah, well, thank you.

You're really, you're something. Well, thank you. I love you a lot. I can't comment, we can't describe you. You're like human, you have a fantastic hand for that. It's rare that we're like that. Well, let's see. It's true.

It's nice, it's nice, I don't know what to say. I have trouble with compliments, but thank you. Thank you for being so kind. It's a pleasure. You're not telling me it's over. In fact, we would like to know if you have 10 or 15 minutes more with us to go on Patreon. Yes, with pleasure. I would also like you to tell us about your merch, your social networks, what's going on right now.

Your merch, your social media, what's going on right now. Your merch, your clothes. Your projects, is there anything new that's coming? How much does your shirt cost? I'd like to buy it. For real? Yes. I'll go back to our house in Béden. I can give you mine.

I don't know, I haven't evaluated how much I sell it yet. It's because there's a new meaning to this shirt. I'm attached to it. Why? Because it fits? Because it's new. You made it. I couldn't talk about it, but I made it last night. I chose it exactly to match your color and also your motherhood.

I don't know if you can see it well. No, I can't. I wanted to make a video, I'll include you if you want, in my video. Because I filmed the process last night before leaving, not before leaving last night, but anyway. I filmed the process and I really rocked it, I did it super quickly. And then I'm going to film a presentation video soon. And I'm going to include you in it to say that I did it for the podcast today. But it didn't answer your question. You asked me how much it was. I don't know about this one.

He's talking about the auction. I think it's the auction. Oh sorry! He did it for us. I don't know about that one. But it's at the auction. I think it has to be at the auction. Oh sorry! He did it for us. No, not only people. I love you. But clearly, make me a price in my web. No matter the price, I'll buy it. And also, what are you doing right now? Are there any new projects coming?

Well, for my clothes, we can go to my organic store, my shopify store. Otherwise, I'm at Marché Flow. I have several of my creations at Marché Flow. I also plan to go to other events, drop events, where I host people. I'm a kind of meet and greet. Marché Flow on Saint-Denis. Otherwise, I've been saying for a long time that I want to have my podcast. It never happened because I always have other projects. And then, a book project too. I would like to talk a lot about my approach. I actually have a publishing contract since like 2016 and I never...

I always change the subject of books and I'm approached by lots of editors and I never do anything with that. What do I have to do? Otherwise... I don't know. I don't know. Do more collabs. I have to do that. Yeah. That's it.

Do collabs. Before, I was very reluctant with advertising. You know, you have to remember, I was talking all the time. I was very... I was very loopy, you know, you have to remember, I was talking all the time. I was very... I was very loopy, you know, and then I'm more open to this kind of thing, you know, to do more collabs and stuff like that. So yeah, that's not bad.

I don't know. You know, people who want to do collabs with you, it's because they're clearly good people, so to speak. Yeah, yeah, I guess. You're going to attract people who you're attracted to. You know, the other time I wrote to you, I was like,. The other time I wrote it, I was like, oh my God. I discovered you and I was like, oh my God.

I love you. You sent me a picture of you with... No, not a picture. Sorry. I didn't have to tell you that. No, with your hat. You had a pony thing, I think. Your thing in cowhide, did you know that?

Yes. And then your glasses. And then you said, look at me too, I'm eccentric. Yeah, exactly. I really wanted him to see me. I was like, look at me too, I like special and unique things. I wanted everyone to see me. And he saw me and he answered.

I was like, oh my God, it's the first person, it's rare that I want... I don't care, in fact, I don't care about everyone. I won't write to anyone. And you, I wrote to you, it looked like I saw something in you that I really liked. Oh, well, that's nice, that's nice. I wanted to have your approval. I was like, if Murphy likes me, I'll eat my beer. I like it.

Well, let's see. So, big thank you. We're going to go on Patreon with you. We have questions from people, so we'll ask them. Thank you again for having us. It's my pleasure. I was saying to Johanie, when are you inviting me to your podcast? Honestly, even my husband was surprised.

Everyone was surprised. He wanted to talk about it. I don't think anyone will expect to see you. Okay, you want to be there? I think no one will expect to see you like that. Or that you want to be there. So you never thought it would be possible? Well, that you want to. Even our researcher said, I don't think he'll want to come.

I said, yes, he told me. Oh yeah? Yes. No, but that's just, but that's it, because that's the thing. I don't like it when guys take the lead to talk about sexuality. For real, I think we should leave it to women. Empowerment and all that. Because guys who talk about sex and who write their...

It's not like we're talking enough. We talk about it all the time. Talk about sexuality. But at some point, I don't want to be a guy who talks about sex. At some point, that's it. I don't take anything away from others. But it's just me, I'm not the one who's going to... I don't want to send that image. And I'm not like that either. I'm not the kind of guy who talks about sex with a girl.

It can be uncomfortable because you don't know the intentions of the guys. You deal with that with guys every day. In the sense that you never know what the intentions of this dude are. Is it transactional? Do they think I'm trying to... So I think it's super important that it's clear that it's always a safe space with girls. That there's no ambiguity.

So I think that's important. I think it's in that will to... That's it. That's wonderful. The best example to give to everyone. Thank you again. Welcome to the official Patreon sex orale platform. I'm here!

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