Sexe Oral - Léa Clermont Dion: Masculinisme, misogynie, désinformation : ce qui se passe vraiment

Episode Date: March 19, 2026

Cette semaine sur le podcast, Lysandre et Joanie reçoivent Léa Clermont-Dion pour parler d’un sujet aussi complexe que nécessaire : le masculinisme. On discute de ce mouvement qui prend de plus e...n plus de place, de ce qu’il représente réellement, et de pourquoi autant de jeunes y adhèrent aujourd’hui. Léa explique les différences entre masculinisme et féminisme, les mythes qui persistent autour des agressions sexuelles, et comment certains discours en ligne contribuent à banaliser certaines violences. On parle aussi de l’influence des réseaux sociaux, des algorithmes, des figures controversées, et de la façon dont ces contenus façonnent la perception des jeunes. On aborde les relations, les rôles hommes/femmes, les tensions actuelles entre les sexes, et les pistes de solutions pour mieux comprendre — et surtout mieux en parler. Un épisode nuancé, confrontant et essentiel pour comprendre les dynamiques sociales d’aujourd’hui.   Le podcast est présenté par Éros et Compagnie Utiliser le code promo : SEXEORAL25 pour 25% de rabais sur https://bit.ly/EROS-MEILLEURSVENDEURS   🔔 Abonne-toi pour ne pas manquer les prochains épisodes!   Pour écouter sur Spotify : open.spotify.com/show/59Z6zW2JDjKXDjnLTOC78c   Pour suivre Lysandre Nadeau : https://www.instagram.com/lysandrenadeau/   Pour suivre Joanie Grenier : https://www.instagram.com/joaniegrenier69/   Pour suivre Léa Clermont-Dion : https://www.instagram.com/leaclermontdion/   Pour écouter sur Apple Podcasts : podcasts.apple.com/fr/podcast/sexe-oral/id1547085665   Pour suivre le podcast : https://www.instagram.com/sxoral.podcast/   💜 Pour ENCORE PLUS de contenu : patreon.com/sexeoralpodcast   Pour devenir partenaire du balado : mathis@matieremedia.com Pour travailler avec l'équipe du balado : rh@matieremedia.com  

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Starting point is 00:00:53 all the I'm really that you come back to come To talk about discos masculinist, it's so sensible as a subject.
Starting point is 00:01:02 The masculineism, is it the equivalent of feminism? The masculineism, in fact, is really a contra-movement that's apparend to anti-feminism. We're against the feminist. We've got to get that 75% of the young
Starting point is 00:01:14 in Quebec adhered to re-atting of the victims of sexual. If you want to be this genre, if you want to identify to the genre, if you're being affed, you're not-binary, you're not-banner, it's your
Starting point is 00:01:25 affair. It's your thing. There's a tendency that's very like anti-MeToo because they consider that the men have been more
Starting point is 00:01:32 the reason why it's an incontrableble to the society in the world. Why you want you know, why you want to be
Starting point is 00:01:38 your own? Why do you that's not that's a girl boss? You know, I hear a lot we don't know
Starting point is 00:01:44 in a genicocracy. Genicocracy it would be the idea that the women would be the women have put their rights ego?
Starting point is 00:01:52 You'd think of the misandry? You'd really Arvne, that you Reveen, that's Revenue, Leigh. How do you?
Starting point is 00:02:19 How much? It's so, don't know a new fun. It's really the fun that's like the third
Starting point is 00:02:25 that we're in our new studio. Okay, so that's new completely new, so it's really the fun
Starting point is 00:02:30 to have here. I'm really to be particularly to be able to be very comfortable. I'm very
Starting point is 00:02:37 very comfortable, I'm not, you know, I can't think we're quite quite quite people,
Starting point is 00:02:41 you're completely full. I'm I'm really content that you We have
Starting point is 00:02:46 floreed the subject the last time of what we talk about today we're going to be going to go
Starting point is 00:02:51 and we're there's a other little thing we're but first how you go, let's say,
Starting point is 00:02:59 it's not, it's I'm going to make a real, I think, because we're,
Starting point is 00:03:03 we're in 2006 and I'm content that the year of the serpent
Starting point is 00:03:07 to end. For to get in the year, the cheval, yeah. At cost
Starting point is 00:03:12 five, that it's No, no, it's the calendar Chinese, but I don't know, but I'm not because I'd end up to say that. I'm not saying that. I'm ready for... Yeah, the battle.
Starting point is 00:03:24 No, for riding. The rest of it. Cassiot is a number 5 in numerology. I don't know. I'm talking to talk about my grandmother, like, avant year, it's weird. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:03:34 I never said. But, I mean, 2025, it's been a movie way, to do you, I'm like, I'm ready for the good, the good news,
Starting point is 00:03:42 the good adventure. So it's so, so. So it's the same, you have not these times? You know,
Starting point is 00:03:50 yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, and it's a little rough also
Starting point is 00:03:55 in the end of year, yeah, with, yeah, so, so, it's like,
Starting point is 00:03:59 it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's, it's a bit like the mard,
Starting point is 00:04:04 it, finish like the mard, it's, it's, yeah, like, like, it's,
Starting point is 00:04:07 in fact, it's, I'm sorry, it's, the 1st 1st, I said that happened about it.
Starting point is 00:04:12 I said, 2025. Oh, yeah, okay, I've made a test of it's a very commenced.
Starting point is 00:04:17 It was a surprise? Oh, yeah, we're not like that's a second. My second
Starting point is 00:04:23 is a surprise. I'm sorry to have a nine months, I'm sorry to sleep, to get on. At least
Starting point is 00:04:31 that, you're still, you're still, no, no, no, no, when my
Starting point is 00:04:35 excuse me, my bra, excuse me, excuse me, it's not okay, okay, I,
Starting point is 00:04:37 okay, I'm, No, but it's still It's still You have a baby Of my Exactly, oh my And then
Starting point is 00:04:44 Nine, and I was in My Brough And I was in I'm in my bra I'm in front of course I don't know what What I'm
Starting point is 00:04:50 And there We're going We're going to Churchase And he's He's written Gravida And I'm like
Starting point is 00:04:58 You know what So it's what So gravita And I'm And I'm And I'm My Fie That I'm
Starting point is 00:05:05 My Fee, that's I'm sorry and I said, my God, what's it who's the I'm going to I'm sure. I'm not sure
Starting point is 00:05:13 to be ready to that. I was fatiqued and I had, what, 28 years? I didn't know in the course
Starting point is 00:05:20 I was going to get to an adventure that and I'm in a little rapproached and then after I'm
Starting point is 00:05:26 going to talk to my old old but I have to have to have to
Starting point is 00:05:30 have been to be a in coming? I'm I'm I'm I'm
Starting point is 00:05:33 remember I'm You have a mask during that I Cushed That's I'm not I'm not
Starting point is 00:05:37 I'm going You can't You've ever It's just It's just during the We're trying to It's always All right,
Starting point is 00:05:45 It's all right It's a part of Some people That's not Who's not And my And my chum That's not
Starting point is 00:05:51 That's not That's not It's not That's not It's not It's not I'm inattain I'm
Starting point is 00:05:59 I'm afraid It's all It's crazy It's full So you You've done You've got You're
Starting point is 00:06:03 is that I'm, no, he could be there, my chum, and, in fact, when I was acuished, they got, they've heard of, you know, they've got to,
Starting point is 00:06:11 my baby, they've been isolated in a little piece, with an exchangeer of air, it was a sound,
Starting point is 00:06:17 it was, I was, like, I was a moment, because I'm, I'm not bad,
Starting point is 00:06:23 I'm just all. My chum had to part, and the when they were to,
Starting point is 00:06:28 you know, I remember, you know, there was a an infirmare who brawere for putting all the
Starting point is 00:06:31 sign and all my baby? Yes. Because, you like, it's like, Colin. It's really
Starting point is 00:06:38 a period song. No, the infirmary, there were not that's not that's fun. There's not
Starting point is 00:06:42 to say, to do you not, it's not. It's not really, really really, it's not,
Starting point is 00:06:47 but, you, in the same time, the little bit, the baby is, it's magnificent, there's
Starting point is 00:06:52 there's many, the thing, like the being brai in air, some, but so, we can,
Starting point is 00:06:57 we can, We're all the celebs. You know, there's four months? You're a four months, yeah. How it's a super fun of demanding. But I'm going to revere the discussion. Oh, yeah, I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
Starting point is 00:07:10 No, but you're talking about, but it's... No, but it's fine. It's... You're fine. You're not. I'm sorry. I don't know, but... You've got to keep your truth.
Starting point is 00:07:19 Well, you're in the greenie. I think that I want to have another, but I'm not... For the instance, it's very well. For the last, it's very good. You're three? I have two. Leah. What?
Starting point is 00:07:28 Your 25, who's in the Mard? 2006, you've already plenty of of affairs that's in
Starting point is 00:07:34 in the action, but you have to be a woman that's in the abuse. I'm in an action. Oh, yeah,
Starting point is 00:07:41 you're in that? You know, it seems that, if it's, let's say, to say,
Starting point is 00:07:48 I'm assuming, absolutely, I'm a bit little bit, but, you know, I'm engaged, you, you're,
Starting point is 00:07:54 you're here, you're, you're, you're, you're, it's a document, You've written a book, you know, a prologue. You're like...
Starting point is 00:07:59 There's all the time a little trick. But in the very good sense. Yeah, well, look, what is the fun to have... What's the fun, is, is that I prepare a documentary on the 10-year-old. Okay. We're just there.
Starting point is 00:08:12 It's 10 years. 10. I thought the Mitoo, it's 20. It's cool. There were also 2020, but there's 2007. Okay. Like the first Mito with Weinstein,
Starting point is 00:08:23 we know. We know all right. We said that we've already, but it's all right. we know we've got done it's going to be 10 years
Starting point is 00:08:27 and then I'm like a comparison between the France and the Quebec and the France Giselle Pellico
Starting point is 00:08:35 Giselle Pellico yeah De Pardieu Yeah, there there's there's all that, but honestly
Starting point is 00:08:43 we're still more advanced than the France there there's I don't, we have we have a
Starting point is 00:08:47 work to do work in France so there there's this documenter that that's
Starting point is 00:08:51 there also the grand campaign we're going to see in three, which is like
Starting point is 00:08:56 a campaign in fact, of prevention of violence of the sexual, that exists in three
Starting point is 00:09:01 years, and that we do with the minister of the school of and this year,
Starting point is 00:09:06 the minister we have demanded to talk to talk to a subject important, which is the
Starting point is 00:09:13 question of the discos masculinist. And how is that banalise the violence
Starting point is 00:09:18 sexual and so we've been in mission. And we have made a video
Starting point is 00:09:23 of impact that will out in March. So, perhaps that at the time we're diffuse the
Starting point is 00:09:27 episode, it's sure, it's there. And we're also some of the allies. So, you, it's kind of
Starting point is 00:09:35 something that the Ministry we need, because it's we're doing that for three years, and it's a
Starting point is 00:09:39 public but to talk about to talk of discos masculinist, it's so much
Starting point is 00:09:44 sensible as subject. And in fact, it's because we have done that 75% of the
Starting point is 00:09:50 young in Quebec adhered to these myths that remit on question the credibility
Starting point is 00:09:54 of the victims of sexual so there there's a big proportion of young that's
Starting point is 00:10:00 that's not that's not that's not credible, and it's that's where it's to ask,
Starting point is 00:10:06 it's a question, it's a 20,000 people at 20,000 people by the chair on
Starting point is 00:10:10 the violence sexist and sexual of Lukam and it and it's it's the idea of
Starting point is 00:10:17 the campaign it's really we're on a video of impact that will be everywhere you know
Starting point is 00:10:21 I was going to have invited. Yes, it's that. And also we have also we're having
Starting point is 00:10:24 some of people who have to do you know to do because we're also like the mission to
Starting point is 00:10:32 do you know these stereotypes that that's vehicleed by these discourse that, you know,
Starting point is 00:10:37 it's what masculineism et and it's so, so we're going to have some,
Starting point is 00:10:42 it's important that they get the people are that's not just to it's not just to do it
Starting point is 00:10:47 it's very important. And it's like important that Like, everywhere in the world, there are things that are
Starting point is 00:10:54 that's fun. And at us like we're not an issue, we have not of an action. At the Royon Unie,
Starting point is 00:11:01 they've been to instore a course, at the secondar, I think, where, in fact, we're on seeing how
Starting point is 00:11:08 respect the women, so that they're getting far that's been far, so it's more advanced
Starting point is 00:11:14 there by that back. Yes, because they have many of people, that,
Starting point is 00:11:18 for example, a young on five, I think, adder to the idea of
Starting point is 00:11:23 Andrew Tate in Grand Britain, so they'll they know that's it's hard it's
Starting point is 00:11:29 it's possible but it's not a one of that's not a one of three that's yes
Starting point is 00:11:35 exactly at Montreal in the case yeah exactly one of three I've learned in the
Starting point is 00:11:41 campaign that I'm that's so so so that so it's can't because
Starting point is 00:11:45 it's not for culpabilized these person that that are to do it's just to say what
Starting point is 00:11:50 masculineism, because there's we don't we can't know we're quite quite specifically, we can't you know what's we're going to we go there
Starting point is 00:12:00 because there's like the masculineism is the equivalent is the equivalent to feminism and it's not that, the masculineism in fact,
Starting point is 00:12:07 it's really a contra movement to feminism that's apparent to the anti-feminism we're against the feminism but not just
Starting point is 00:12:15 that, it's that we say there exists a crisis of masculinity, what it's could, so it's
Starting point is 00:12:20 in passing, but the grand responsible of this crisis of the masculinity, is the women, and the feminists. We're talking about this to their avie. Yes, so. So, it's that, by definition,
Starting point is 00:12:32 the masculinism. And then, after, there are all sorts of tendencies, like in line in the manosphere, like, the men becoming underway,
Starting point is 00:12:41 these pickup artists, the alpha male, et cetera, you have these tendencies political. It's alfamel, okay. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:12:49 You said, Men Becoming O'D Coming Underway. That's a... It's a... ...it's a... ...se a group masculinists
Starting point is 00:12:55 who want to revendique more the rights of us specifically, it's in the U. These rights... The rights...
Starting point is 00:13:02 They're on much there, or... No, no, but, you know, pick up, you know, if you're
Starting point is 00:13:07 called? ...the... Rochevi? No. Okay. It's... It's a... For the rights
Starting point is 00:13:15 for the same. Tye! Well, I just... I just to me ask what
Starting point is 00:13:20 they're going to say the right by the question. It's a very good
Starting point is 00:13:25 question but, you know, by example, for real, by the about the violence
Starting point is 00:13:30 sexual, certain groups say, that the people, you, they live so,
Starting point is 00:13:34 they, you, live at the time, and in fact, it's that it's not true,
Starting point is 00:13:40 the men can live of real, but it's nine aggression on 10 are made
Starting point is 00:13:44 by the men, but the women don't, the It's not that I'm just what they want.
Starting point is 00:13:49 Excuse me. I'm not able to decolize. I'm sorry. I'm going to go ahead. I'm going to go. I'm going. The pickup artist. That's the coach of seduction.
Starting point is 00:13:59 The coach? The pickup artist. It's a lot of, excuse me. The pickup artists. They're the other you're in pretty, I imagine. Well, it's the coaches of seduction. Okay. Ah.
Starting point is 00:14:11 It's, it's, it's, it's, but there are, but there are, here, huh? Yeah, but they're not, are not. are not, in any of the discourse that I've heard, of the person that I've heard
Starting point is 00:14:21 who's a coach of seduction. He's pretty very gallant in entry. No, no, but that's not because you're
Starting point is 00:14:28 coach of seduction that's a masculineist, but the pickup artist had a tendency that was made by
Starting point is 00:14:33 Rochevy, so I'm talked to Rugevi he, he prone the legalization of the
Starting point is 00:14:38 violence in the liuels in the that's to the U.S. Yes, it was in the U.S.
Starting point is 00:14:45 but it's not It's not really because even if they're American, I mean, they're a very close to you know. It's the most
Starting point is 00:14:53 in the sense, it's sure that there's in the States in the sense. It's sure in the sense that's a Yeah, exactly.
Starting point is 00:14:58 But so this is it's so, this so it's so that, this tendency that. So,
Starting point is 00:15:04 I, I, I think I, I, I think, I banalize also because there's a tendency to be very like anti-mito
Starting point is 00:15:12 because they consider that it's ruined the state of right, et cetera, and that the men have no more the right
Starting point is 00:15:18 to do you, and it's really bad because it's an incomprehension of the society in the world, the women
Starting point is 00:15:26 have not used the rights ego to us for them, you know, and it's still the and it's
Starting point is 00:15:32 so, so, so, so, so, brief, it's a tendency that's
Starting point is 00:15:37 quite a important, and me, I'm, so I'm, so it's certainly, the influence
Starting point is 00:15:39 for the young, you know, it's, because, because, I'm I'm part,
Starting point is 00:15:44 I'm on my I said, you're excuse. It's really important because I'm just just rapped that the internet, it's sure that it's
Starting point is 00:15:53 sure that it's not in my algorithm to my, but there are some there's a lot that I've seen that that's a lot of a young man
Starting point is 00:16:01 who is in full of discovery of his masculinity who sees a man who does an arm who is muscular,
Starting point is 00:16:11 who is beautiful, who has everything that's all that he wants So, like, you're like, you want to be a person like that, he's confident,
Starting point is 00:16:19 he has everything in the life, so you're like, you're like, for having that, you do have this thought, and it's like,
Starting point is 00:16:26 the Andrew Taylor's. So, so it's for that that as far as that as parents, it's so important,
Starting point is 00:16:32 to have access a little to what he , you know, totally, but you know that your child,
Starting point is 00:16:39 your algorithm, like, it's just that, there, these discourse like that, then,
Starting point is 00:16:43 and then it's that I want to know what's the things, the avenues possible? How can we
Starting point is 00:16:49 can't as a parent also? Well, it's a good question. I'm a first of
Starting point is 00:16:53 six years. Sometimes he listen YouTube because he's a grand fan of soccer, but, you see, I
Starting point is 00:16:59 see, I'm see, it's very easy to be in a line that's in controlable
Starting point is 00:17:05 finally, and on TikTok, there's like, I think it's the content or
Starting point is 00:17:09 more, maybe, it's the information, so it's easy to have access to to the more content. And I think
Starting point is 00:17:15 we don't know the choice as as a parent to be forced to listen to what our young listen, because
Starting point is 00:17:22 sometimes it's not a phrase shock, sometimes it sometimes it can't be time before to come
Starting point is 00:17:28 to concever that there have maybe some things are fallacieous or dangerous. You know,
Starting point is 00:17:33 it's not all the people who have been great declarations shock. It can
Starting point is 00:17:38 just, I don't cropping, LaMitte Goughie. Or, well, it can't control your
Starting point is 00:17:43 blonde, how you know, how you can't control the, the, the, the,
Starting point is 00:17:49 the, the, the, the, I think, I think it's , I think, it's always,
Starting point is 00:17:54 I think, it's a moment of a moment of the you're, you're not , you're
Starting point is 00:17:59 more noci that we're , you know, the, you know, the, what I'm saying,
Starting point is 00:18:04 the, I'm not, the, kind of, the that you think that's not an incident
Starting point is 00:18:11 that's that's quite, you know, it's a beginning, you see, you see a little bit of the
Starting point is 00:18:17 end-alance, and you're up, and then, uh, and it's that's so that we've
Starting point is 00:18:21 wanted with the campaign, is that sometimes, it's, some, it's a point,
Starting point is 00:18:25 they're like, they're like, they're they're being complicated, they're dangerous, in fact,
Starting point is 00:18:31 and, you know, by what you did for the, the algorithms of our young,
Starting point is 00:18:36 it's, I'm, I understand, I'm, the adolescent who is in quest of a question
Starting point is 00:18:40 of course, and it's correct to want to do you know to want to be able to be being used. And to be
Starting point is 00:18:46 to be a part of a group also, exactly. Exactly. For me, it's not the issue,
Starting point is 00:18:50 it's just to say, okay, what's what is that and why you know, why you
Starting point is 00:18:55 want you want to be to control your blonde? Why it can't be that you don't know
Starting point is 00:18:59 that you're there's a like the women that can't get in their life that's
Starting point is 00:19:05 Libre, it's derangee these guys and I think it's like the emancipation it's good for all the world
Starting point is 00:19:13 that you work, that you work, that you be able to your destiny it's positive I'm I'm imagine
Starting point is 00:19:20 to be a young who wants all these things that who will have to partone
Starting point is 00:19:24 to a group and I think I think we're all we're all in the
Starting point is 00:19:30 centred on the self I'm in I think that's normal to make
Starting point is 00:19:35 like, hey, this trick that napporte the positive than I'm like to be someone who can't have
Starting point is 00:19:41 someone who I'm going to have a thing, I can say, it's a tryyant for a young girl,
Starting point is 00:19:49 it's sure. It's a simple, in fact, it's an life simple because the world is
Starting point is 00:19:54 complicated, you know, and the world is anguassant. So, for these young that
Starting point is 00:19:59 it's more easy to be able to be able to be able to you can you will be able
Starting point is 00:20:03 to to be a reprimed my value I think you're also you know, you get a lot of you know, you
Starting point is 00:20:12 say it's more complicated like that it's sure that's it's more complicated that's accessible that's attraying but that antagonize and they're not
Starting point is 00:20:22 not always real I don't I don't know I'm not the culture physical at the contrary I think it's I think it's
Starting point is 00:20:27 true that correct. Andrew Tate was an kickboxer but he he had accused of exploitation sexual and you treat,
Starting point is 00:20:34 and there's a grand impact hyper negative in the society in the world we live. I call it like an espouse of a villain. It's horrible. You think it's like a film, and I'm like, when I've seen that, when I've been conscious of this person
Starting point is 00:20:49 that, that I don't regard not these videos, personally, but I've seen some little things, and I'm like, ah, it's you really real? It exists? It really, and there really so, there's really,
Starting point is 00:20:58 so there's, really, I'd like that that you'd maybe to be the same, I'm like some of the good people, but that
Starting point is 00:21:10 he adair to certain discourse of this person like, at a moment I had just view his cell and I was
Starting point is 00:21:16 he said, what's what you did? And even my chum, he was like, bro, like,
Starting point is 00:21:21 why, and there's there's a good, he's, and I know there's a problem,
Starting point is 00:21:25 you know, but, but, but, I'm sure that that, he adair, in the phone,
Starting point is 00:21:30 but he's Kache a bit, who has tried to to be defended or whatever, because clearly, in my house, it's sure that you mean, it's sure that you're
Starting point is 00:21:37 saying, I know, I know, I'm not, you know, there's people in your own your own, you know,
Starting point is 00:21:43 some of the people, and how you get with that? Yeah, yeah, I, I, I, I, have, I'm
Starting point is 00:21:49 , I'm adair to these perspectives, let's, and, in fact, I'm not in the judgment, because I'm , you know,
Starting point is 00:21:55 you know, you know, sometimes, you know, you know, sometimes, you know, and we're
Starting point is 00:21:58 We're in the young man that who is in construction identity and who he wants
Starting point is 00:22:03 who just have a life good, we're really in the base of the base,
Starting point is 00:22:10 but that you have not the tools to say, look, what they say, it's false,
Starting point is 00:22:15 you know, we don't in a gyicocracy because the masculineists, certain
Starting point is 00:22:19 say that genicocracy that would the idea that's the women don't
Starting point is 00:22:23 and that the men have put had been had been had put it's fiction, it's it's false,
Starting point is 00:22:30 it's the disinformation. Oh, it's that he says that... Yeah, in certain cases, and it's not
Starting point is 00:22:36 that, you know, he's not an affair impuventable, often that the victims of the aggression
Starting point is 00:22:43 sexual mean, that finally, you, it's not in the couple, just the
Starting point is 00:22:48 violence sexual, I mean, I've said, I'm 1998, the violus
Starting point is 00:22:53 is considered as a violent is considered, like a child, So it's all sorts of notion like that. It's young... It's hard for recognize that.
Starting point is 00:23:01 It's difficult because, because, you know, when you've been bombarded your information from your little, on the radio social, it's difficult to see what is true
Starting point is 00:23:11 and I think in certain cases, these youngs, these youngs, they want to be just be able to be able to they're offering
Starting point is 00:23:18 some. And we're a society also that's taxed on the profit. We're in a society capitalist,
Starting point is 00:23:25 and we're We want to be rich. We've exuled the person who's called because it's never has never has never made part of
Starting point is 00:23:31 my chem to think of really. Maybe I'd perhaps have been to be more to think of it's not,
Starting point is 00:23:36 they want to be rich and have to have to have a success. And these guys there give this
Starting point is 00:23:41 solution simple. Andrew Tate has an school in line for to make to make
Starting point is 00:23:47 to do the money. So the people are they pay very, very cheire. And it's
Starting point is 00:23:53 not the to do not just to do not to do that for me you're like you're using in fact, the vulnerability of people to
Starting point is 00:23:59 make the money in first time because often it's like if you want you can like you know I mean you're a part of me
Starting point is 00:24:08 that's even that when we if we're really we can realize maybe not maybe not maybe we're really like
Starting point is 00:24:14 there's really the discourse of like the people people who want to the people who want to all people but it's
Starting point is 00:24:21 not it's not made to make a to the entrepreneur that's probably it's not
Starting point is 00:24:25 not the people that's not a business and business. And, and if you look,
Starting point is 00:24:30 if you look the scale of salary, to who can do you have seen the money? I'm not
Starting point is 00:24:35 if you're seen the people, you're not the people, it's the people,
Starting point is 00:24:40 they're those who have the companies who are the people, the school,
Starting point is 00:24:44 it's like in the economy, but the entrepreneurial is not not the
Starting point is 00:24:48 people, it's not people who , who, I would, I'd like a manned
Starting point is 00:24:53 business, Stabarwet? No, and also to that, you know, it's correct that the kind of,
Starting point is 00:24:59 no, it's not correct, but the adhesion of these young to this perspective that, I can't
Starting point is 00:25:03 a bit, but it's the murder, I'm not the murder masculinism and the meh anti-feminist
Starting point is 00:25:09 they're in they're gonna attack, and he attack who? He attack they attack these people,
Starting point is 00:25:14 they attack these feminists, they attack attack, they attack, they attack, they're, they find,
Starting point is 00:25:21 of violence in in line in certain cases. And that is their strategy of intimidation
Starting point is 00:25:27 and of disqualification that can be violent and who encourage finally the adversity,
Starting point is 00:25:33 the polarization but who really sible specifically the women and these
Starting point is 00:25:39 issues these issues are completely finally become become debible it's
Starting point is 00:25:45 that that's that that in the continuum of this grand
Starting point is 00:25:49 perspective of the things that, you're radicalized that they're commenced that's
Starting point is 00:25:52 these acts of violence the insal who are the celibate involuntary in the continuum masculineists
Starting point is 00:25:58 is the worst tendency it's the celibate involuntary who see that our world in
Starting point is 00:26:03 a schema of where there there's Stacey these chad they have a
Starting point is 00:26:08 whole in the world in the world in the world in the world in
Starting point is 00:26:12 certain found the apology of violence and one of
Starting point is 00:26:16 their hero is Mark Lippin it's the who has killed 14
Starting point is 00:26:21 women at the school polytechnic the 6 December 1989, a attentate anti-feminist that's
Starting point is 00:26:27 that's because they were in the women. So, we can't not bring to the
Starting point is 00:26:31 movement that, because it's a movement also. I don't not how they could
Starting point is 00:26:36 if we if we're conscious of the presence of this group that
Starting point is 00:26:42 that are there there's there's there anything there I'm not I'm not
Starting point is 00:26:46 I'm that the Service of the Renseignments Canadian to talk this question like the government federal is very preoccupied by the
Starting point is 00:26:56 question, obviously, of the radicalization masculineist, because in 2018, there had an attack terrorist also at Toronto,
Starting point is 00:27:04 there had had been at Eximination who has fenced, he made an attack on a
Starting point is 00:27:09 carmion bellier, he's subbed the women, it's a incel. So,
Starting point is 00:27:13 our authorities are very preoccupied by the mounte of the violence masculineist but after
Starting point is 00:27:19 if the question also I think of education that's essential, we're doing we're in my center
Starting point is 00:27:26 to research at the university Concordia we're working with the teachers in the school and it's
Starting point is 00:27:32 all the day there, every day there's there's there's different of these
Starting point is 00:27:37 discurs masculineists in the perception of young and there there
Starting point is 00:27:39 there's people in class are tenue that's inquieting that's quite
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Starting point is 00:29:00 it's, it's, oh, he's... Oh, he's He's... No, no, but in the sense that,
Starting point is 00:29:05 you know, because of that I'm an adult 17-year, uh, my life, it's, it's,
Starting point is 00:29:12 it's a kind of discourse that can be heard of a school or, you know, all of that
Starting point is 00:29:18 he can't say, hey, he's a man, he's a man, you know, he's,
Starting point is 00:29:24 you know, who's, who's, who, , you know, that's, you know, but,
Starting point is 00:29:28 like, you know, he can, you know, I can't, like, I can, say,
Starting point is 00:29:33 but you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, there, you're, ,
Starting point is 00:29:37 and, how he's how he's expressed, you know, he has been pushed to be to put up to
Starting point is 00:29:42 question at cause of what he's heard around him, let's on, he's not in a discos but he's in
Starting point is 00:29:48 a question about the thing, so it's that's a sense, yeah, there,
Starting point is 00:29:54 there, there's really in this moment and it's for that it's not that's not clear, okay,
Starting point is 00:30:01 but we're, we're all right to say, we're not to see, we're not the question, so,
Starting point is 00:30:06 it's not A great brainstorm today. A great storm today. We're in in some in this moment
Starting point is 00:30:13 what I see in this moment what I'm also to ask you to me question to ask you earlier
Starting point is 00:30:20 I was very in my energy masculine very actually women of affair la la
Starting point is 00:30:25 la yeah I'm independent financially I'm independent financially I'm
Starting point is 00:30:29 I don't depend of person I'm because I'm because of my mother
Starting point is 00:30:33 that has depended of my father, and she she said, I want to you know that
Starting point is 00:30:39 you know that's a depended that. My mother, she's, she's, she's,
Starting point is 00:30:44 she's, she's, she's, she's not, she's, she's, she's, she,
Starting point is 00:30:50 she, she depends, to, she'd be, she'd not, she'd be, she'd be,
Starting point is 00:30:55 and at all, she'd be, at the end of her, she'd be at least, she,
Starting point is 00:30:58 she, it's sure that, she, it's sure, that, I've had an image of the,
Starting point is 00:31:04 the, you know, that the man, you know, that's that's a , you know,
Starting point is 00:31:09 that's a very bad, because my mom was in depression, because she had to be in the same time, she could have
Starting point is 00:31:14 nothing to have to be able to that, and I know, I'm like, I don't want to that, and my my mother,
Starting point is 00:31:20 me, it's going to be going to be going to the other extreme. After, I'm going
Starting point is 00:31:24 in the independence, but, you know, too, that, you know, I'm not, like, I'm not,
Starting point is 00:31:30 like, I'm, because, because, I just, I'm going to to have something,
Starting point is 00:31:35 and I'm going to be able to be maybe, it's interesting kind of like a processus, and then you're on there
Starting point is 00:31:41 where you're already who? Yeah, and then we had discussed, la, la, and he, he's sent it
Starting point is 00:31:47 more and he had started to the Lord a little, the fact he could not, he'd
Starting point is 00:31:53 like that also provide a bit, he'd like he'd say that he'd maybe,
Starting point is 00:31:57 he'd be, that he would that I'd that I'd that I'd feel, that I'd feminine.
Starting point is 00:32:03 And then, loser. Like, but he is in the energy like that I'm trying to see.
Starting point is 00:32:09 I'd like that I'd like that I'd like I'm more like I'm in Torsh, in what I'm in the energy that.
Starting point is 00:32:16 Now, now, with all what we on the social, who are very polarized, polarized,
Starting point is 00:32:22 I'm I'm asking some, and I'm said, it's right that I'm like, I'm
Starting point is 00:32:27 maybe been in too, so, so I'm in my little in the equilibrium. You know, sambly, my
Starting point is 00:32:34 not, my little, my little, my little, I'm doing, I'm doing, my own, my own, my house, and I'm like,
Starting point is 00:32:39 oh, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's true, it's been, but, you know,
Starting point is 00:32:42 I think, there's, you know, there's a question, you know, I'm not, I'm not,
Starting point is 00:32:48 you know, with the life of your other, you do, the house, of what, I,
Starting point is 00:32:53 I think, that's, I think, there's, it's like, for these guys to be men, to be
Starting point is 00:32:57 being feminist, it's so that you dominate the men which is like it's
Starting point is 00:33:02 misan what you don't know that you know, you, you're all the time
Starting point is 00:33:06 that's all the that's a that's a false, it's not very, we can be a
Starting point is 00:33:11 feminist. You think to the misandry? Well, listen, the misandry I've discovered
Starting point is 00:33:17 that, recently, recently, I've recently, and in fact, I think
Starting point is 00:33:23 that's a mechanism of defense. I think the people who become misandre on,
Starting point is 00:33:28 can't be the answer what? It's what? I'm sorry. So, that's my little Misernado? Miserie, that,
Starting point is 00:33:38 Misenry, that, it's the hand of the men, like, misogynies, it's the aim of the women, and
Starting point is 00:33:43 in fact, it's a old argument, just to say masculinist because long time. And even
Starting point is 00:33:49 before the masculinism, it has been anti-feminism, it's, it's, it's movement of suffragette,
Starting point is 00:33:54 the first women who They had demanded the right of vote in 1900. She was a face treated of women who detests the men, and we said, we've started to say, misandre.
Starting point is 00:34:03 And then, it's that, the an end of them. It's not because certain women revendique certain rights or
Starting point is 00:34:12 demand to denounce certain things that they're, that's, I know, in Salusava, my life for the young,
Starting point is 00:34:20 women, just I mean, I mean, I'm a moment of a moment of the, I'm, I'm,
Starting point is 00:34:23 I love the people. Arritte to say that I'm not the people, to say,
Starting point is 00:34:28 but if someone arrive in their life to say, I'm, I'm, I'm,
Starting point is 00:34:33 I'm not, you know, someone who has been people, who has had been had been
Starting point is 00:34:37 had been a very experience, and is not, they're not, they're not, it's in
Starting point is 00:34:43 the same, but you do you misandre, as you called, you're not, it's a
Starting point is 00:34:47 false croance. But, no, because you've had used these ,
Starting point is 00:34:50 because you've had been there's a It's a There's a There's a difference between someone who's
Starting point is 00:34:56 someone who has been a No, but I'm I've never No, but I've said, you've already like,
Starting point is 00:35:04 no, but I'm just like, I hate men, this famous phrase that, yeah, you know, I don't,
Starting point is 00:35:11 explain, that, you know, but you you said, I hate men in the sense hyperbolic,
Starting point is 00:35:16 you know, because it's not, you say, you know, it's, it's, it's like to it's,
Starting point is 00:35:20 it's, I like the patriarchate, you don't know the domination masculine, perhaps, and it's not all the world
Starting point is 00:35:27 who's not, look, look, look, she has a face, she's over with Claude. Yeah,
Starting point is 00:35:32 that's right, that's my next question, is, is that you think that having a chum is a
Starting point is 00:35:36 act anti-feminist? No. I'm, my director, my director, the thesis, I'm supposed to be
Starting point is 00:35:41 a lesbian political, radical, but in the no, but in the time, no, it's,
Starting point is 00:35:47 it's not anti-feminist to have a chum, you know, I'm a lot in, by the
Starting point is 00:35:51 country to be in the and I'm not when a feminist to do a other feminist to act to do you
Starting point is 00:35:58 to say a other current, to say, frankly, for me, the feminism, it's the liberty to choose.
Starting point is 00:36:07 The liberty to choose my body, the liberty to choose if I want to choose if I know of
Starting point is 00:36:13 the life, the liberty to be when I want to marry, to be married, to be made for me
Starting point is 00:36:19 to marry. To find the cuisine, Yeah, but I'm not. Yeah, but I'm going to your school, you know, I'm in the school of the school of the liberty, from the first that I didn't see not in a, in a, well, in a card traditional between the sex. You know, my Barbie, he was, celibatire, without an infant. I love.
Starting point is 00:36:38 He did the scissors. And, no, okay. No, no, so. And, finally, I'm not done. But, finally, I'm two children. But, well, it's so. So, so. So, so, so, so, so, but, so, so, so, so, so, so, so,
Starting point is 00:36:50 really, it's really that's because I never could imagine a very affair but if the thing, it's you
Starting point is 00:36:58 something that's, that's, that's, because I'm, it's because I'm just I'm just in a,
Starting point is 00:37:03 kind of a truce in front of the time that's really, and I'm, and I, oh, it's for
Starting point is 00:37:09 that, misandre. Okay. I had made an, I've had made an interview at
Starting point is 00:37:13 Radio Canada, and he made, it's what, it's what your algorithm, algorithm,
Starting point is 00:37:18 me TikTok, and I just like, it's like, therein' the same, you know, I guess the same. But, you know, it's a little of the same way that someone who's... Yeah, but I'm just like, I'd like, I'd like to end up to all,
Starting point is 00:37:29 but the anger. But the anger, it's to the fear. But the anger, it's to be of the fear, and it's of an inconvene so, maybe that these people that
Starting point is 00:37:39 who are rendered in their life, I'm not, I'm not just not when we're not not far, the apology, the violence,
Starting point is 00:37:45 there's a I've seen that they express, and I know not the part of the person that,
Starting point is 00:37:50 you know, maybe they're a partour very charged and traumatic, that they get to do that on the
Starting point is 00:37:55 social, and they're perhaps they're quite echoed, but I'm but it's very,
Starting point is 00:38:00 the young generations, even in the schools, even in the university, and I've been to, I'm
Starting point is 00:38:07 listening to, I'm not just that I'm like, I'm like sounder but it's not the sense
Starting point is 00:38:13 where I'm I've been turned to I've been too to be too to be in my, but it's not
Starting point is 00:38:18 that I'm there's a I'm in there's just, there's just that you're in you're going to be like,
Starting point is 00:38:26 it's like, it's like, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, but there's
Starting point is 00:38:31 something that I'm a impression that, I'm an impression that an woman who says that
Starting point is 00:38:36 is long to have the same weight than a man that that's, exactly, and is
Starting point is 00:38:42 not No, exactly. It's not... Yeah, and what's what we're doing with. That's a good point also. But it's because when they say that, is they're doing the apology of a violence, you know?
Starting point is 00:38:53 Is she going to do? I'm going to get me. I'm going to do you. I'm going to do you. I'm saying, because I'm saying, you're saying, too, we're doing. It's already, yeah, yeah, in the time that we've done...
Starting point is 00:39:02 It's a little Monday. A little Monday. No, but, no, but, you... When I'm in Mal Alpha... It's a real... It's a religious, and I've said... Bravo to have said... Oh, the religious.
Starting point is 00:39:13 Oh, my I'm assuming to be a radio my own but I'm quite quite like that
Starting point is 00:39:17 yeah, we're not we're salue but I'm, I'm just I'm just super cool
Starting point is 00:39:24 Jesus, well, Jesus, he had looked correct that he had been great
Starting point is 00:39:28 chill, I think that's the world after Jesus who was yeah, I'm just
Starting point is 00:39:33 like Jesus I think there was there there's no he didn't the law and
Starting point is 00:39:36 he was that the consideration he has not exited for real I'm just very in the people, who are in the religion, and all that,
Starting point is 00:39:44 and Jesus, it's the love and the pardon. It's the love and the pardon. And then, it's not that that's been the religion. It's like we'd say that in,
Starting point is 00:39:54 we judge the people who don't think not like you. So it's not normal that you're in the religion, who is practicant, and that you can't see, you can't
Starting point is 00:40:05 acquies to a person to someone who is not in this religion. For me, it's not that. You know, you identify the grand paradox of this movement
Starting point is 00:40:15 of all the religions, to all the religions to my view, I'm personally, I'm not really ath, it's not very interesting for the grand
Starting point is 00:40:20 public to be to the same, but when I did my documentary at a pair on vent, where I observed a lot of
Starting point is 00:40:27 groups anti-avortment to Quebec and in Canada, I'd have also to get to the United, to see after
Starting point is 00:40:31 Roe v. Wade, after the revocation of the law to the divorcement, what I'm in fact,
Starting point is 00:40:36 what I I was really paradoxal and I'm you're going to you're going to this way
Starting point is 00:40:41 it's just like a discourse that's like a story for your health physical for the life of a child not
Starting point is 00:40:48 not have been but I'm doing violence because I want to control your car and I want to control
Starting point is 00:40:55 your fertility your reproduction it's extremely violent and I'm I'm never made
Starting point is 00:41:01 avorte before to have done to have done and it's because because of the way
Starting point is 00:41:05 we're going to get to you're in a lot of you're in a little bit after the lastment
Starting point is 00:41:10 of the film I'm in front of and I'm and I don't know to have an time.
Starting point is 00:41:17 It's it's terminated no I never I said I'll never I'm going and I'm
Starting point is 00:41:23 but I in my life I didn't want to have there I'm I've
Starting point is 00:41:29 finished out three hours, 30 13 years 30 years so you that's you've
Starting point is 00:41:33 had just the two children and I was made aborting after having made a film and it's really special because I just came to
Starting point is 00:41:41 live all it's me where I heard of the discourse anti-abortement and then sometimes I feel like
Starting point is 00:41:47 manipulated in the sense because it because it it's, it's mark to always
Starting point is 00:41:55 read these discos but but physically I, I was I'm never made
Starting point is 00:41:59 have ever made aborted and I was like I'm have an
Starting point is 00:42:03 And it's not easy, it's been very difficult, but I was able to so I'm imagining that people who are
Starting point is 00:42:11 against the abortment who say, you will have this this one, and you'll have access, it's a
Starting point is 00:42:18 degealous, it's an violence inouy. In the documentary, I'm like, oh, I'm,
Starting point is 00:42:24 okay, yeah, I'm, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not concerned,
Starting point is 00:42:29 but there, we're I'm having I've been I'm pretty like a kind of bad to have been
Starting point is 00:42:36 in a lot of I'm in but I'm not someone I'm not someone I'm in front of I'm able to I'm able to
Starting point is 00:42:45 some people I'm able to no, but it's just not just not you're just not but you're not there to
Starting point is 00:42:52 be there to you're not I'm there but I'm but I'm to remit in question the point of
Starting point is 00:42:56 the point of but it's it's not it's because it's a role of position also to do documentate
Starting point is 00:43:01 and, like, let's just also as a churcheuse at the university, you're not there for putting your point in front to someone, you're there, you're there for to look,
Starting point is 00:43:08 decortique, and analysed. But it's, it's very, special because the life has with the power on the vent,
Starting point is 00:43:16 and it was really something. For you say, that the medicine, that was in the doctor Guimon,
Starting point is 00:43:22 it's, he has been formed by Morgan Talor, you know, and I'm like, Dr. Guimon,
Starting point is 00:43:29 you've got to me face aborting. Oh, yeah, you re-contacted. Yeah, it's something, huh? Wow. You do you command to say that in this moment? I assume. I assume completely because it's a part of the life of
Starting point is 00:43:42 a lot of women, and I'm really not a hundred, especially after having heard all these propos of humiliation. And I don't know that it's easy to be to have avorted, it's really it's really something.
Starting point is 00:43:58 Even if, you know, it was, it was maybe, you know, it was a five weeks, it was really a bit advanced. Yeah, but, you know, it's it's, you know, it's all right,
Starting point is 00:44:06 but I've already made a false couch, so, you know, when I've been my false cuched, I was completely debusoleed and
Starting point is 00:44:13 completely at trit, and I respect also, you, just, the reactions of people, if I'm made avorte,
Starting point is 00:44:20 you know, how the people see, when they're there's, there's, there's, for some,
Starting point is 00:44:24 there's, there's, there's, that's just, there's, They've been feted the anniversary of an
Starting point is 00:44:28 infant that's that's that's a I'm in fact I'm saying that you're not a that I'm also
Starting point is 00:44:33 with I'm like I'm sure that you're and it's that's part to the thing, for me
Starting point is 00:44:39 the film is not the film has been after the when I've when I've had been
Starting point is 00:44:44 that I've been really so real estate is. Is that you've been like
Starting point is 00:44:47 you that you had been like you the had been the yeah?
Starting point is 00:44:50 Uh, uh, no it's it's been it's totally like a
Starting point is 00:44:55 kind of a like it was just a year past, and it's been it's an it's a piece of conscience in my life in fact
Starting point is 00:45:04 we're trying like I'm like I'm trying to try to try to I'm trying to I'm not I don't want to for the life
Starting point is 00:45:12 but I'm like I'm not capable and I think those Americans who have access to have been
Starting point is 00:45:18 to get to and to see to come to know a province and say let's say let's be
Starting point is 00:45:23 a few people you're not not access to the abortment, like decalcant. I'm like, it's decalicent. That's it in the States. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:45:34 To you're in the States of New. At least it? At least it's the United? Well, the United, it's that the law is more guaranteed constitutionallyment. So, there, he lets that by state.
Starting point is 00:45:42 So, certain states, you want to do you want to do Canada, no? On Canada, it's because there's, Pollyev, no. No, it's possible to nuance to the affair.
Starting point is 00:45:51 Polyieve, the Party Conservateur of Canada, you have 30% of the members who are anti-avortment and maybe maybe more. He would not let's say
Starting point is 00:46:00 a bit in mode I'm going to my, I'm not going to be not. He's not not a part of that's not
Starting point is 00:46:09 because the right of abortion is really guaranteed constitutionally by certain by the politics American but by
Starting point is 00:46:14 but by because he is strategist Poliev. I mean I've used the platform of the party
Starting point is 00:46:20 conservative and he he says they're not touch to the right to do the abortment, but,
Starting point is 00:46:25 by example, they're going to leave recourse in fact, to the deputies on these questions that.
Starting point is 00:46:33 That's that. It's that. It's all the deputies have for the deputies. So, that's the
Starting point is 00:46:39 card that we had of the deputies, it was pretty people who were against. So, by the bank,
Starting point is 00:46:46 it was that he said, it's that he says, it's that he doesn't necessarily, but there a lot
Starting point is 00:46:51 of the party conservative are that it It would have said it It's like they They're going to
Starting point is 00:46:57 They're They can't They can't They can't They can't They're to adopt these project of
Starting point is 00:47:03 law that remit in question the right by example in occupying a finally
Starting point is 00:47:10 the right of the life of fetus etc. There's there all of
Starting point is 00:47:13 different of contone the the door to but in
Starting point is 00:47:18 Canada we we look we're we can even on Canada
Starting point is 00:47:21 there other parties who are anti-avortment. The Reform Party, I've met the chef of the Reform Party and he's
Starting point is 00:47:29 called Ross Stewart and I'm talking to you know, we're going to the women in prison, if you do you do
Starting point is 00:47:37 get to have to get a on prison. It's a party that's a party of Maxim Bernier.
Starting point is 00:47:44 The party of Maxim Bernier is anti- abortment. For Maxim Bernier, the abortem is a murder.
Starting point is 00:47:50 So, we have I do you think that's a murder How much it's correct? No, but if I if I thought
Starting point is 00:47:56 that's a murder, that's that I'm mobilized? Yes, have you have you have you
Starting point is 00:48:01 have to be not? No, okay, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I would I'd be
Starting point is 00:48:06 count if I imagine it that's just that's right, but it's for who are in fact, they're in
Starting point is 00:48:12 those, they're in the view, and how much it's just the guy that had the idea,
Starting point is 00:48:18 there were not any discussion in this moment. If it were the people if it were the women who were in front
Starting point is 00:48:24 there were even no question of this there'd even not a question to be able to see that yeah
Starting point is 00:48:29 it's like yeah it's just it's just it's supposed and the other thing is the other thing is that
Starting point is 00:48:34 we're we're just we're just of this like in it's just but the person
Starting point is 00:48:40 that person that mentally not just like you know like you like you pre to
Starting point is 00:48:45 an infant that and that on you inflis at this infant,
Starting point is 00:48:49 is we, don't know our resources after? Yes, we'll help. The one is a
Starting point is 00:48:53 maybe in a situation that mom, monoparental, who no parental, who didn't want to be a reject, maybe will be
Starting point is 00:49:02 a badger, maybe it's not, we're not, you know, or not the case, it's a person who
Starting point is 00:49:08 who's got to with an person, excuse me, I'm, I'm will one, and I'm
Starting point is 00:49:12 and I'm one, and I'm and I didn't, and I'm I don't. Is it the
Starting point is 00:49:19 lectures, is the health, is the hygiene I'd have put all the time time? Is it,
Starting point is 00:49:24 you know, you're that you're not, you know, when you're not, there's a part of you
Starting point is 00:49:28 have to be, you know, there's, I mean, we can't think of fetus, but is,
Starting point is 00:49:32 we're to think, to be a question that you post? Excuse me a great
Starting point is 00:49:37 to, no, but the movement, the movement, you know, pro-choa and the movement
Starting point is 00:49:41 of the United is very brought by the women black American,
Starting point is 00:49:46 there's also the women white, but what you know, what you're talking is the notion of justice
Starting point is 00:49:51 reproductive. It's very simple the justice reproductive. It's three principles. The right to have
Starting point is 00:49:56 some of the end of course, preferably, because the women black are made sterilized to force
Starting point is 00:50:03 to the United, the women, the women, people, I know,
Starting point is 00:50:07 I'm not. Stereilization, is to dot your possibility to have the people? Who can't
Starting point is 00:50:10 that? I don't know I can't not. I can't understand about the We're going to explain that, oh, my God, we'll explain that.
Starting point is 00:50:17 I agree with it. It's a bit more. In fact, in Quebec, there's an study that's been made by Susie Basil, who is a woman autotctone, who has revealed that there are had been sterilized force, so, who are,
Starting point is 00:50:32 cut up, I'm, I can't say, what exactly the technique, the stereization of force, but it's the fact of the new power to have an infant. So, let's on, you're going to do you and go have to have a examinicological,
Starting point is 00:50:44 and there they are in an intervention, sorry of my imprecision, but that makes in sort that you
Starting point is 00:50:50 can't be more than children. I know, you know, all that's all that people who
Starting point is 00:50:55 have taken the parents and the raffles, but that they have been to sterilized,
Starting point is 00:51:02 I think, I think, I think it's 20,000 families. So, so, the sterilization
Starting point is 00:51:06 of force, that's the ligature of the Trump. And, O Quebec, Susie Basil,
Starting point is 00:51:11 who is a churchess an doctorate, has discovered that there have been about 12,000
Starting point is 00:51:16 women that had been seterized of force so they can't have been a phenomenon
Starting point is 00:51:22 and it's everywhere on Canada also, it's been but the 12,000 at Quebec.
Starting point is 00:51:26 At Quebec. And in the States there also in the history, the Afro-American who have
Starting point is 00:51:32 been stralised of force by these people black and it's
Starting point is 00:51:37 so when when I when I say, what you'd say, elve, the environment in an environment
Starting point is 00:51:42 liberal and ego, etc., the first, the first idea, like, if I want, if I want, if I want,
Starting point is 00:51:49 I can have these have been, we force not to be having an child. The second
Starting point is 00:51:54 point is to say, is that I can also arighted my grossess? You, if I'd
Starting point is 00:52:00 do it, so, not have an child. If I decide to not have an child,
Starting point is 00:52:04 but I'm not personally if I'm not a foe, I'm not, if I'm not. If I decide to interrompe a grossess, then I decide to
Starting point is 00:52:12 interrupt a grossess. And the third element is to be able to your children in an environment free, exempt of violence, sexual, physical, etc. And to say, you know, who is against the abortment, monsieur, well, come don't, you know,
Starting point is 00:52:28 be, so, consequent with what you do, and then, come, don't know the environment that is favorable for that person educs these children, for she to give a to her service, for she
Starting point is 00:52:40 for she's in an environment that's the same. And I think that fascinating to see this individuals that are in
Starting point is 00:52:50 a discourse that's extremely simple and I'm redid violent, who said, well, I'm I'm going to have the
Starting point is 00:52:56 control on your life, that's that it's what it finally. Is that you could, because that
Starting point is 00:53:03 is, you know, let's have I had seen a few years, I remember a few years ago, that it had really really much marked, and for me, it had clarified enormously of things, but I'm
Starting point is 00:53:13 in view to know how, you'd simplify the concept of the equality versus the equity. Oh, my God. Because, you know, I'm the impression that, you know, we're, you know, the same
Starting point is 00:53:29 rights than the same simplify a while it's a bit like in any any point
Starting point is 00:53:35 it's a there's like the photo of the I'm sure that you've got you know but you
Starting point is 00:53:44 see like a barrier and three people who try to see the other side you
Starting point is 00:53:50 know, you know, to the end you know to the there's a thing, you it's what?
Starting point is 00:53:55 You're the father who can look the other back of the cloture that you can
Starting point is 00:53:58 it's he's a little band and you an other, than a other more broad
Starting point is 00:54:01 that's going to be, I mean, they're all they're all they're going to they're in a bad, he's been,
Starting point is 00:54:05 there's a there's like a support, there's a way of the same support to see that and they're
Starting point is 00:54:12 and they they're all, they're all they're all that's, it's all, let's get, the little guy,
Starting point is 00:54:18 it's still a man, to run to mean, you know, it's so, you're so, you know, there's also
Starting point is 00:54:23 there's also the equality of the chance, so, there's, in the environment, in the
Starting point is 00:54:27 environment same opportunity, and you've got not all the same rights. But in fact, you know, I'm, in fact, it's a good question, and finally, it's a question that's really I think important, and the notion of the moot for me is quite fundamental. And let's go ahead, let's look, let's see,
Starting point is 00:54:46 the definition, like, equality, don't the same thing to everyone, without to take into the difference of situations, and equit, to, donate to everyone what he or she has a business, for attains a result, so a treatment
Starting point is 00:54:58 of different, a difference, a recognition of the power, so the equality is not, the equality formal,
Starting point is 00:55:05 is good, to donate, by account, to adjust these environments, and these parkour, that,
Starting point is 00:55:11 for evite just to get some obstacles, particularly, it's a question that's a
Starting point is 00:55:17 fundamental that you pose, and we say, I'm trying that I don't know it's
Starting point is 00:55:21 like the question, it's like, the attain of the final, it's that that we're
Starting point is 00:55:26 like we're, and I'm to adapt to the environment to come, it's not just equality formal that's not
Starting point is 00:55:32 if it's just that it's simple, but it's to, is it because the discos, and then to
Starting point is 00:55:40 get to I just, why I'm to talk about to that, the, of women of the
Starting point is 00:55:44 family, there's like a, there's like a kind of there's what, there's there people,
Starting point is 00:55:50 there's people, because the women who are sometimes they're going to become maloureus, you
Starting point is 00:55:54 because they're they're man. There's something that's, you know, it's,
Starting point is 00:55:59 you know, it's, you know, it's, an affair of hormone, also, physiognically,
Starting point is 00:56:05 the family, not the thing, what he would have, in sort that we
Starting point is 00:56:10 would have not have the same of a time, you know, 40- a woman,
Starting point is 00:56:14 and in plus a woman, so that, so, so, so, that's,
Starting point is 00:56:17 so, what, what you think, what, I think, I think, that,
Starting point is 00:56:22 it's false, I think, that I think that first and before it's sure that when we're in
Starting point is 00:56:28 a family and the little when the little infance and it's sure that
Starting point is 00:56:33 you're at that you take the period that you get a more complicated but fundamentally
Starting point is 00:56:40 when we say that the charge of work should be different for the women
Starting point is 00:56:44 and the I think there there's there not there there there
Starting point is 00:56:49 is there is there is there there's there is there there's there's like this is like a
Starting point is 00:56:55 great, gross and a big issue and there's the discourse masculinists and other traditional and even
Starting point is 00:57:02 the trad wife who are not only there not only there a difference between the women and the but it
Starting point is 00:57:09 has to valorise this difference that and this difference that is good for all and this difference that is what
Starting point is 00:57:15 is that the woman is that the family so the baby of the education to rest at the house
Starting point is 00:57:21 and the men work but it's a mode of which is traditional, that we've seen in the
Starting point is 00:57:26 50, etc. But when I say that's false, I don't know that this sort of modality that not come in
Starting point is 00:57:32 all the world. I just that whentony the women to a role finally, to reproduction, for me,
Starting point is 00:57:39 it's a control, and for me is to say, well, you temensipra not in the sphere exterior,
Starting point is 00:57:46 you'll be, I'll say, you will, you will rest at the house, and it's, it's,
Starting point is 00:57:51 that you're It's that that that's that's just that that's just that this mode to be used to this one
Starting point is 00:57:58 he's... He's... He's... He convoyed to certain women, perfect. Good for you.
Starting point is 00:58:03 But impose not your life to all the world. No, it's like it's the best life.
Starting point is 00:58:09 You know, not so long it's a mode of life that's a servicement. You know, my grandma
Starting point is 00:58:16 is what, is she could have at the university? At a certain moment of it,
Starting point is 00:58:20 yes, because it's had been permit, but it was complicated. To divorce, to Canada, it was not possible
Starting point is 00:58:26 in, in 1969. I mean, in the years 60, the women were not, they could not have to have a
Starting point is 00:58:35 bank. So, I have any problem, but that's, that's a problem, but that was a
Starting point is 00:58:41 choice, and that be the choice to someone of another. Hey, no, but, like, how,
Starting point is 00:58:45 I guess. And after, on the question of the, we're talking often in the naturalization.
Starting point is 00:58:51 So the difference between the sex and all, and I'm I'm open of the spirit in the sense where I'm
Starting point is 00:58:57 a plain form of configuration of the sex, okay, of the identity sexual. If you
Starting point is 00:59:04 want to be this genre, if you want to you're to identify to get to be
Starting point is 00:59:08 women, and you know, if you don't person, if you're not
Starting point is 00:59:13 thing, if you feel that you know, that the sex that has seen to
Starting point is 00:59:18 correspond not, it corresponds not, it's your but why is it you have
Starting point is 00:59:23 to rest in a space of a piece of simple of the world so that's that you know I think it's
Starting point is 00:59:31 like a little particular to find his eyes on the view because it's... How can
Starting point is 00:59:37 I can say to someone I don't know your reality and your identity sexual?
Starting point is 00:59:41 How I can do that is the authority for that? No. Why these people have have the authority
Starting point is 00:59:47 to say to tell to to say to I don't. I don't. I don't know. They don't, these people They're saying,
Starting point is 00:59:52 we're saying, we're like, it's like like a choice for them, it's like if they were the choice
Starting point is 00:59:56 to change that and to re-devene normal, like in game it's, but you can't you can't you can't
Starting point is 01:00:02 you can't, and if you would say, again, I'd have been more, me to find, exactly,
Starting point is 01:00:07 but you know, it's wrong that in 2025, there's a month, there's a monopopho
Starting point is 01:00:13 in the cell of class. We're talking to the talk of the discosos in the class,
Starting point is 01:00:17 but there a, an inconvene there's an homophobia exacerbed in our cell of class
Starting point is 01:00:23 and I think in fact I said on my God we've regressed we've what's
Starting point is 01:00:30 what we're why we're there why? Why? I see not how I know how I
Starting point is 01:00:37 know what I mean my question will be to be in the same I'm like
Starting point is 01:00:43 to make confidence to my voice to make confidence at the The part of the RACA is represented in our world
Starting point is 01:00:52 everywhere, without we're even count. And they say that, let's say, we're, we're,
Starting point is 01:00:58 we're saying, um, women, let's, but we, we consider that all the identities of genre,
Starting point is 01:01:04 yeah, and over to that. The world is made, we've talked, we've talked, we've been
Starting point is 01:01:10 on, we've talked, I'm, again, my question will be to clarify when I
Starting point is 01:01:14 that the days are it's on 24 hour, that the women, their cycle
Starting point is 01:01:19 hormal is on 24 hours that's let's let's they're a reset
Starting point is 01:01:25 at all the years, and as that the women, their cycle hormal is on
Starting point is 01:01:29 a month and there there's a a a the example,
Starting point is 01:01:35 the woman has that's that's the loutal phase
Starting point is 01:01:38 so, that that's their cycle in function of
Starting point is 01:01:43 attis in his I'm I'm a bit of that I'm I'm in like that you're
Starting point is 01:01:48 like we're like in a whole of a world that's made on a cycle of 24 hours of
Starting point is 01:01:54 and that we all the current of our life we don't be, let's let's say that this second
Starting point is 01:02:01 that's I think I think I think I'm in a fact I'm
Starting point is 01:02:05 I think I'm I'm I'm really I'm I'm because it because it
Starting point is 01:02:10 I said I said you said you you said that you were in these discourses, it's what, they're saying the women in the house.
Starting point is 01:02:18 The women traditional? No, no, no. Because they say, it's that physiognically, the farm is not like the
Starting point is 01:02:24 women, the women, we're so it's a pretty un-comprehension of the hormones. Because what I think you're interesting,
Starting point is 01:02:31 is that you can instrumental this affair that of a bar or of that. It's to say, well, we're
Starting point is 01:02:36 we're doing, we're doing, we have these cycles menstrual, effectively, so, considering a cycle
Starting point is 01:02:40 menstrual, I do more, okay, it's in this perspective. My dream to be in other part. There's an environment of work
Starting point is 01:02:48 feminine, that's all the boss feminine and are like, okay, check. You know, voice your charge to work for a month,
Starting point is 01:02:54 dispatch to you in your way, let's say your cycle menstrual. Imagine, like, it's an environment to know,
Starting point is 01:03:01 for the family, that's like, you know, you know, that's, to tell year to
Starting point is 01:03:05 year to do you, it's your moment where you're more you're more than this week that's
Starting point is 01:03:09 this week, that time You know, let's let's come to this fashion that also. And that
Starting point is 01:03:13 I think that I think it's super interesting because it's like the grand it's like
Starting point is 01:03:19 a subject taboo so it would be the life. For the my life.
Starting point is 01:03:25 I'm I'm going to see, you want to to say frankly, I'm not this
Starting point is 01:03:29 time. This time that you go to work in the same exactly
Starting point is 01:03:31 but not just that like like the women that live of the endometriose
Starting point is 01:03:36 you know for a at the uterus, no, at the o'er, I'm trying, I'm even more able to march
Starting point is 01:03:44 to make, you know, our health our health reproductive, by the it's true that we're not
Starting point is 01:03:50 not quite, and if our environments of work, they were more more, probably that we would be more,
Starting point is 01:03:56 and we're more in our body, but I come to Jeanette Bertran all the time
Starting point is 01:04:01 because it's my mamie spiritual also, you know, and Janet, there, bien-in-
Starting point is 01:04:06 avant all the She's almost almost a one year. She, she could, she had 30
Starting point is 01:04:11 years, she'd she'd in a journal the journal the day of the journal of the
Starting point is 01:04:16 year, and she'd talk about of menstrual, she'd about the menstruation. What a
Starting point is 01:04:22 queen. And not just that she had a last time, she's a house, she she said,
Starting point is 01:04:27 she'd come on a podcast, hey, she'd have been a little a little a little
Starting point is 01:04:31 a list, she she's she's I think she'll respond but at least one. I think she's booked her in Christ for a woman of 901. Okay. Well, in a lot of course,
Starting point is 01:04:43 in fact, in fact, in this context where we're identifying, we question a lot of differentiation between the sex, etc. We can, we can't constathe, finally, that there's plenty of discourse
Starting point is 01:04:56 that are construed, but we're not obliged to just rejects all the debates on the question of, but not the debates, but the discussions on those cycles menstrual,
Starting point is 01:05:05 I mean, It's a part also, you know, I think, of revendication feminist, to demand a context of
Starting point is 01:05:12 work that can't be in count, that's the justice reproductive, it's part of that's also. The number
Starting point is 01:05:20 of the day, where I was not capable of working. I don't know how the patriarchy
Starting point is 01:05:24 is instorried in our life, just as, you, how we function, how our days,
Starting point is 01:05:30 the time, and, and, so, and, so, and then, the other
Starting point is 01:05:34 thing, is that, we're not I'm, I'm 31 year. And it's recently this year
Starting point is 01:05:39 that I've discovered that I've got to that you're getting to get to what I'm to do you know also
Starting point is 01:05:45 and I'm also and I'm saying, baby, you know, it's, you know, these days and now, and now,
Starting point is 01:05:50 I'm going to have a little five years, you know, I'll be a bit more bit more patient,
Starting point is 01:05:53 I'm going to be, if I get to if I'm going to I choose, you know, no cycle
Starting point is 01:06:00 menstrual, you know, I mean, how it's it's not not normal, There are a lot of a calendar
Starting point is 01:06:06 in function. Let's say that your work on your job so you know you know, you know,
Starting point is 01:06:10 you know, you know, your face, it's a place, tell place, tell place, but there's a day
Starting point is 01:06:14 this week that's a time that's, I'll be crissment on form, I'm going to be the same, I'm sure,
Starting point is 01:06:20 I'm, I'm sorry, I'm perched, because I'm because I'm because I'm because I'm not for all you
Starting point is 01:06:27 know, so we're pretty here, we're on, we're in the confidence, so I'm I think you're the information that you adored
Starting point is 01:06:34 to have you. I'm interested. I'm like, it's like you. It's like a day in my week, and after that's a month
Starting point is 01:06:40 and then it's well, it's well, it's well, but now I listen in the signals of my car
Starting point is 01:06:45 that I'm that I'm not, I'm not going to see my calendar, I'm going to my glugue like, you know,
Starting point is 01:06:52 I'm just I'm not, I'm not, I'm don't, I'm I'm not, I'm just never, I'm I'm still per
Starting point is 01:06:56 I'm just like, why you're why I'm why I'm the last time it's it's But I'm just content that we're that's a bit.
Starting point is 01:07:06 I'd rather to talk about to talk about more. And it would have to be really of the education by our own
Starting point is 01:07:10 because it's it's a different my chum and we could be able to when he's not conscious when we're not
Starting point is 01:07:17 our gross chican it's in these multi-period when I was like, no it's not possible, it's not possible
Starting point is 01:07:24 and he continued because we're being used normally so it's full important but we
Starting point is 01:07:29 could even Liz, start a program the government that's a lot of that's that's that's
Starting point is 01:07:36 going to be in an opportunity offer a offering a contract a a calendar menstrual
Starting point is 01:07:44 then, well, they're going to be adapted. Yeah, well, they're going to be quite
Starting point is 01:07:48 content, yes, I'm going to engage more more than more than a little conge menstrual.
Starting point is 01:07:54 It's will be much more not, it's that these hours will be made
Starting point is 01:07:56 but, but as she says, she she will she can, it's sure that there's
Starting point is 01:08:01 who are doing that. I'm there. There's a I know. They're doing that. I mean,
Starting point is 01:08:04 it's true. It's so. It's not normal. But I'm that I think to revendique this. You're not?
Starting point is 01:08:11 Leia. First, first, thank you, to have been to have been to say, and then we
Starting point is 01:08:16 get to say, I'm going to get to feel like to get to and I'm glad to but we
Starting point is 01:08:22 would be able to but we're a little 15 million to plus if you're in I'm really
Starting point is 01:08:26 but you're not to be able to not share, but I'm to like me our page,
Starting point is 01:08:30 but I'm also to hear you people who are important, we're important, we're on the same we're positive, we're all in the
Starting point is 01:08:37 description for the people to go to see the the campaign. Yes. And, you know, the resources, all the resources,
Starting point is 01:08:45 I'd say, for the young, there's Salusava, like for the young men, if you have these ados around you,
Starting point is 01:08:51 who's question on these and they're being inoffensive, I'm going to say, it's called Salisava, a little man.
Starting point is 01:08:56 He's fine, fine, and then you're there's pain, and there's Construes, the myth, often that the discourse masculinists, will make the vans,
Starting point is 01:09:02 so there's a good resource if never, we know how to get to be our young, and that's the little bit more question.
Starting point is 01:09:12 We've got to, we've got to be able to my question, you know, when you know, when you know, when you know, when you know, when you're doing,
Starting point is 01:09:16 some, you know, what's, we do? We're talking, we're, we're we're gonna we're, and we're really many minutes, in fact,
Starting point is 01:09:25 you know, you're, you're, you're, at the way, what's what's what that's going to
Starting point is 01:09:29 say, what's that reason for you? And we're trying to debiabolize in fact, finally,
Starting point is 01:09:33 what's what they're doing that wow, hey, the equality is good for and the
Starting point is 01:09:38 equity, the equity, it's good for all the people, for the people, a world,
Starting point is 01:09:43 where the women, are free, the guys are free, it's more for all so we,
Starting point is 01:09:47 so, but it's we're not, it's not the way, we're not the way, we're not
Starting point is 01:09:52 we're not, we're also put on the It's important to say a guide pedagogic for a bit deconstruing the discourse masculinist, so in class.
Starting point is 01:10:04 So, it's also in the cell of class. So for the prof, we have a guide pedagogic on We're oncote.com. We have these videos. And so we can do with our children?
Starting point is 01:10:14 If we can do do with our children, effectively. If our professors, they're not in all the schools, no, exactly. So we do,
Starting point is 01:10:22 we'll look these videos, and we're trying on stuff. Very cool. I'd like that that we'd that's a kind of
Starting point is 01:10:27 that's a that's a melting pot of all of what you're there's a documenter that's a par
Starting point is 01:10:36 on the part of Vendrardt on there's a I'm a misogine on line that's on
Starting point is 01:10:42 again, there's actually there's there's a documentate on Janette Bertrand so it's
Starting point is 01:10:48 there you know if you have been been victim of aggression sexual and that you pose the
Starting point is 01:10:54 question I'm I'm going to Plaint, I'm not Plaint. What's it I've been been doing? There's a
Starting point is 01:10:58 book, there's a place of course, and I'm going to let's see. But I'm going to get to be able to get back to
Starting point is 01:11:04 okay, but I'm going to be able to get to help. And also just you'll say something, I'll ask a book,
Starting point is 01:11:12 so this autumn, so very, no, but that's important. You're like a woman, perspiqued at
Starting point is 01:11:17 Santa Barnac, check there. But this autumn, I'll ask a list, it's called the silence
Starting point is 01:11:21 of the and it's on deconstruing all justly these discos masculinists in a live and on the misogynia in line and there's some it's all the solution and all and it's all right now
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