Sexe Oral - Maitresse Zoé: Dominatrice professionnelle : ce que les hommes soumis recherchent vraiment

Episode Date: May 28, 2026

Cette semaine sur le podcast, on reçoit Maitresse Zoé, dominatrice professionnelle, artiste de cirque, danseuse et étudiante en s3xologie, pour une conversation aussi fascinante que déstabilisante sur le BDSM, le pouvoir, la domination… et tout ce qu’on pense savoir là-dessus mais qui est souvent beaucoup plus complexe.Sans filtre, Zoé nous raconte son parcours : de jeune punk dans les rues de Montréal à artiste underground, jusqu’à devenir dominatrice professionnelle. Elle nous parle de ses soumis, des dynamiques de contrôle, de douleur, de consentement et de l’importance de la communication dans le BDSM.On plonge dans une discussion ouverte et nuancée sur des sujets encore très tabous : pourquoi certaines personnes aiment être dominées, ce que ça apporte psychologiquement, la différence entre s3xualité et domination, les relations soumis/dominatrice à long terme, le féminisme dans le BDSM, la charge mentale des hommes, les limites, les protocoles… et même pourquoi elle fait lire des livres féministes à ses soumis.Zoé partage aussi sa vision très humaine et matriarcale de la domination : une relation basée autant sur le soin, l’écoute et l’évolution personnelle que sur le contrôle et le sad!sme.On parle également de s3xualité, de liberté, de trauma, de performance, de travail du s3x3, d’art érotique, de shibari, de soirées BDSM, de rapports de pouvoir… et du moment où on arrête d’avoir honte de ce qui nous fait du bien.Le podcast est présenté par Éros et CompagnieUtilise le code promo SEXEORAL pour 15% de rabais sur https://erosetcompagnie.com/products/les-fesse-tifs-par-eros-et-compagnieLe podcast est présenté par OxioUtilise le code promo SEXEORAL pour obtenir 1 mois gratuit sur oxio.caRéserve ta soirée entre amis au SHAKER de ton choix dès maintenant sur http://shakercuisineetmixologie.com/Pour obtenir l'essentiel des nouvelles en 5 minutes, abonne-toi à InfoBref en t'inscrivant à infobref.com/sexeoral🔔 Abonne-toi pour ne pas manquer les prochains épisodesPour suivre Lysandre Nadeau : https://www.instagram.com/lysandrenadeau/Pour suivre Joanie Grenier : https://www.instagram.com/joaniegrenier69/Pour suivre Andréanne Fortin : https://www.instagram.com/Pour écouter sur YouTube :https://www.youtube.com/@sxoralpodcastPour devenir partenaire du balado : [e-mail] travailler avec l’équipe du balado : [e-mail] Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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to do the circus, and it was like a little more relinied in the things seen.

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my life since I super young. My son was a chante for the

Cirque of the Soleigh. My belle My belle-mer She did do circus. There were

like plenty of people who did a circle around my aunt

was in the secretary of big boss, in the case. So, so I'm close to

that, it's something when I was a really, I was a acrobat, and it's

when I had more in the street, that there were a circus of the

people that were in, you know, to try to be the people So, we tried to us

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family had there. This boot that I was at 16 years, and 17 years and it

had already a book that was complicated I had had been in tourne with us under a

moment because my had part, my mother, my brother, my brother,

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of the tentative that's to try to me, to be to be to be in

Europe, I've passed a month in Spain, after that he used in the second,

then, so, I think, I was, I'm, I'm, I'm starting to be

quite, that he, he had, he'd had a little less a little more, it's,

a man, it's, it's, a man, it will pass, and I think he had confidence, also, a little to my intelligence, and that eventually I would

find a way more interesting. So, he would lastes more of liberty, he ran to there. Do you think that's that that that's got as far,

to have always felt like your parents with confidence, no matter what you... Oh, it's so, it's all, it's when I regard other friends,

you know, there's plenty of people who are just just more in life, that, and... I think what I've remarked the most between the

people who were in the people who were not, it was the support of the family and the love of the family.

I think it's really, it was really more difficult for my mother, I think that my father

had a bit more more than, so it's a fact that it had been a, I had not the impression that at

a little movement I had, I'd like the mieted, yeah, so, so,

yeah, I think I had been, I was I had really to feel, I really, to feel, my autonomy, and that even if it was

in a way per cent for my parents, it was on my way to, you know, and there were not really way to me to have to change the city. You know, you've got to come after the circus, to dance. Yeah, I'm a new dancer. I've got 40 years ago, 40 years ago. Oh, my God.

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of a circus, and a moment I was tanned to have to have been and have to pay my loyier.

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there was a sort of a stage to go to the pole because I had to stage, I had some stage, already. And, you know, I had some of the difficulties with, I have, like, my depotting, I had, like, my epitaphs, and other problems, that made, I'm not doing the level

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it was more, me, to have something of community of Montreal-ins. I did a lot of spectacles in the underground and I

was made with the time that this communication and this connection with the people for who I did

the things, it was really really important for me and to repeat always the same thing

to repeat to be it's not what I did, so the limitations of my

mind my life have to do it had I've had to ask the

question and I realized finally that it was correct like

that. And then I When I was made to do I'm trying to I'm trying to to have more the money and she was made

to be able to have been able to to do art to do art that I had more than I'm more than you the art

vendable for me it's like to make some of the chasse and get in the show at

the festival of Montauphire or it's super cool but but it's not

bad again well it's for me at one I'm I think I thought it a bit platt,

like, thank you for people who engaged, it was really nice. I really had you pleasure but at a moment I've made

a tour. Yeah, and you know, I think, I'm really, I'm someone, I'm really, to find the affairs

questionable, and at your manner, yeah, so, Verso? Poisson. I've been tempted the most

to have a few me crossed. I'm trying to, what, did you? Yeah, Oh, yeah. Okay.

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animatrice of the infant, wow, the gross clash, so, so, so, so,

when, the animations plus familial, it, so, so, so, I had more,

more, more, more, more, to create, to create, the things, the

things, there, there, there, the erotistry, which is a spectacle, let's say, that's an ADN

of circus, but that's interested in erotism. So, I've done that in 2014, 2015. You're you

did it created, or... No, in fact, it's something that, it's, it's, it's, it's a, production Carmagnol,

which is an organization that exists for super long time, who found these carnivals, and now it's not it's

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phone, in 2001, he had made a first version of the erotistry which was, I think there was 75 artists on the scene,

it was, it was, the community, in the form, to speak, like, to express on the erotism

with a number. It was in mode, cab by a number after the other. Wow, wow, and in 2014,

I had an initiative to want to revivate this concept but to do it's

more in a more with a little group and do something that's not necessarily

not necessarily in a cabaret my partner of the circus of the time was one of

a person, let's put on, in this group that she she made that I'm

like a bit that's it's like it's really a moment for for me, it's not important,

where's the erotism has made to take a place in my life, and now if we look at my life, I'm going to

work with sex, I do work that's and I'm in sexology, so it's really like the... It's a little,

like, the field conductor of all of all I'm, so I'd say, that it's probably said,

it was actually that was something that was something that was something that's not yet, so it's

not quite, all my reflections on erotism have to this moment

that, my explorations also with the BDSM. And there there's

a certain parallel between an artist a aerine that's airste and the

BDSM it's super dolorous like, like, practically, yeah, really,

it's really really. When I had started to me to be attached

in Shibari, I was made for this, it's, it's, it's, it's to learn

a bit to be in the pleasure while the contract, the pain, to turn in cold, and to force

and to be being, to be silhouing, and to be old. It's so. Yeah. It's you

like, you like, you're more to make a attached, or attach now? Now,

I'm really in a phase more more dumb. Okay. I think that it will arrive at

new to me to me to be in a focus more dumb. there had been like a

five-year- where I was really implicated, engaged in a relationship with my partner of cord

that we're called P because I think he doesn't know and he's in a couple? No,

it's that it's one of my my best of my best that's that's the book

that could be interesting for you other the fact that the that the BDSM

is not necessarily sexual um Like, yeah, I've started to do that with him.

It's been a new important for me in certain elements of garrison, I think, by a

about my sexuality, like the majority of the majority of women, you know, I've lived with the violence

sexual, there's also around me that I've affected. It was that I had a

rapport a little difficult with the intimacyity. It was like As the day that the

first the first, I'd get to panicky and I had like, I had like to be able to

get into for the real, finally, where you've the fire to be the way,

that's the end of the thing, I'm to make to get a measure

to ask what I had been I'm I'm I'm really, I'm

not really when in a Shibari, you have, like, not the choice to be super

aligned in the confluence that with your partner and with your limits. It's really pushed to

think to to learn to communicate also in the moments of intensity when you view disconfort

and that's all ligated, all crotch, it's important to be able to say, there's something

that's something that's that makes a bless or I don't not feel like I'm not I'm going to have been a question of a

super important for me it's a super great result of me in fact and it's and then we're doing that

with my partner of cord we had had some because I'm a person switch

because we we're going to have eventually a lexick of all these terms we

we're we've made we've made some experience I've had some

experience also you're Yeah. He's not a He's not not quite

part of my life. And eventually I've met with S, which is my

submines actual, with who I've more developed a domination that's just from

the world of the world of the world of the Cards? It's

in the C D.S. Kis A S. S. Yes.

I They're like, in line, I think he was found on on the

life. Okay. It was a bit about the pandemic, or the beginning, when I

had started to announce on Fett Life that and I had already explored with my partner

of cord and with other people in the other people, I had to develop something.

And he he had been aborted and I'm always a bit like by the people who

me abode in line. I'm like, allot I don't, you know, why I

should be like why I'm often, we're doing often, we're very very much, we're doing

but he was the word that's what the word that I'm sure, he was patient, and

it's still and at the end up my minutes, that we had to that,

like, in mode in line, by discussion in line, for, like,

two years, I think. Oh, yeah, Before to you see Yeah, but you're

to be patient Yeah, I think I was like I'm like this situation of the situation there,

he was, he was captivated by you. Yeah, and I see, he's over to other

dominatrice, and he had, he cherchere to a relation like that, but,

yeah, he was very different and he was very talking, just about the experience

that he had, when he had gone, they were to start to be we've been to be a few

sessions of together, it's a super fun. Is it a question, if you can't you're going to

the first time that you've seen, it's the first first time also in time as well, in fact, the first,

the first first time that we've seen me to see me to see a club of danceoce

okay. Okay, you dance again? But I dance again. Okay, okay,

okay. It's like 11 years I've done it's like my bassline. Okay, I thought

that it's been like a trajectory circus, dance, dominatrice, but it's like, I said,

the domination professional, the domination personal, it's a moment that for a time of my

life, but the domination professional is relatively new. Okay. I've started,

the year past sort. Okay, okay. Yeah, but it was like a kind of

transition logic for me, just the I'm, you know, I'm 40 a minute,

I'm in past, you, the eight hours, it's off, rough, rough,

the feet, yeah. Yeah, One minute in the tail of up, and it's a lot. It's good. Yeah, it's so. And I think there's a lot of, like, to be like,

something like, it's like, it's like, it's a lot, that's, who, that's, who made sense, for me, that's, like, it's like, to be an evolution after, to be dancers,

to be dominatrice. I'm still, I'm still in trying to build this business that. You're still and I'm still dance, and I'm

still, I'm still eventually, I'd like, I'd like, I'd like, just question horre, and toe-horre also,

it's the more advantageous to be dominatrice and it's an universe that's really really to invester. So he's been to

see to see to see you to see me to my club and he's he's been me for two five,

I think, one or two times, but I remember that I had an collier and a collier and a list

and that and that I had made the collier in the court in the middle of the world and I had

train me to the cabin with the LES. I remember the general who had like to look at

what? What? What's the Oh my God? It's totally hot. You're like come back.

But it's a discussion that you have already that Mick would be. I think

I was I'm going to see how you see if you're attached in LES and that I get to come

and that I'm MENTress, yes. It's totally hot. It's so your Lai Lowe

you have to have a a thrill It was really fun. And it's It's always It's like It's like

It's like to be in this dynamic That's in the club And so And now I'm working It's a big changement

Yeah, The bar west The vibe is really different But the night It's often So, there's like

There's like There's like Yeah So, So, there, There's like Completely

at the At the It's not show red It's It's been Yeah So it's

Time But in the moment No Well, I'm... My admiration. No. Even not.

Pleasure. I was just, I was just in the pleasure. And I was like, oh, yeah, that's... It's someone with who I think I can play. But there were still a lot of things

that were so it's like, so it's like it's like, it's like, it's like, we had, and, you know,

I had not completely invested our relationship. You know, I'm married for seven years. We're still not a good

amy, but, you know, it's not a difficult, but it's a very much changement, I'm a lot

of partner, I'm a lot of people, there's like, there was like, many of things to be able to all the first

for the first for the first of my life, I've always been able to a lot of things,

and then, eventually, I've got the responsibility mental to to really invest the relationship with this guy

that. With this guy that, so, now, it's my submission personal

official official, in place, in part, how to... It's a person who, how can... It's a

life personal in an exerateate that's a partner if you're a couple over,

like I'm I'm not love so he has a life, his life on the

life, and we we have also our life in the sense that every day

there's there's there's there and he's there there's there

there's there there's there there's there We're we're

we're, we're going to think to a protocol of chastote also that I would control the

activities sexual How's, how she has a word to say? She has a more to say,

but of what I'm not really of sexuality in this moment. Okay. Okay, so,

she's at she's in her current, that you're in her life, but you you've never seen?

It's is something that, you've ever, you've already, you've already, I would have to talk about it?

I would have been something that I'd have been in when it's all right, but there's sure I'm in their history. So I think not that's a good moment.

If it's a restabilise, it would be something, yeah, that I'd really be really interested to do. I'm, in the taches that

I put a little soin of her. Yes, it's that, you said, that you said that you were a dominatrice very feminist in your,

completely. So I'm a girl's girls, So, you know, when it it's a difficult, a little

their relation, I try to question to, you know, it's what the bug? And I've interviewed a

bit of the end up, so I'm saying, I'm going to help, I'm going, I'm going to

you know, I'm going to give, and she has that they're not going to ask, it's like,

it's like, it's like, it's like, so much, to, to, to, the women,

the women, of who, on who I can't have an influence, even if we're not, you know, she's not,

but she's to, what's, she's not, I don't, but I'm sure that, I think,

I'm really, I think, we're all a, a dominatrice who will encourage our own,

to go, and the contrary also, we'd have all we're totally having a someone,

who can give, a coach personal or a, you know, a coach of life,

it, it's motivating, For anybody for anyone for anyone it's really cool it's a

really cool, it's a good concept. You know, I've been a coach in my life

and I think I'm a bit of the part of I think I want to actually, I think,

I'm my sum of my sum of you know, there's like, there's like

three dimensions I think in my relation with S which is important for me,

let's let's, let's, like three piliers, there like the part that's my

pleasure to my pleasure saddick, I've really really do pleasure to give to give to the pain

to get to it's a thing that's what he can me bring so it's more the dimension of service

so that he is at my my menace yeah, yeah, yeah, then, and then.

And then, and there's the dimension that's like a little more, you know, sometimes we

think, we're talking, on concept of domination and we pass to a space of image patriarchal

which is like super hierarchical my domination inspired more by a vision matriarchal that implic more the feminist

without want essentialize the men and the women, it's these qualities that can be able to one bar

and the other but culturally the world of the women is more the world of the the soin of the education

so. So it's these values that are really present in my domination in a perspective matriarchal,

so it's a example? It's really important for me to have positively. By example, this example, that,

to, to want to help, is, in her relation? You, I, give,

to the support, of the advice, I, give you do you don't,

the tages that can, I think, help, I, think, help, the

we've got we've got to talk about that I could have a control on his training for his physical

for the help you know, so it's all the elements like that I addiote in our relation who

for me is in a dimension of a even if it's the control that's a control

that is motivated by I want that my soulmy become a better person

and I question also sometimes on these contradictions these contradictions

on interior of him, it's the end up the end up the end up the end up

the time, we're doing to talk about, ultimately it's sure that I'm like that to be able to get to be in

to the world at the time, I'm doing, I know, a center for a problem in difficulty.

It's that's what I'm like that but that that's sort, let's on some foyer

and some cotitiers, we're not done to let's that, let's, who,

that, this episode, is he will be a facet of you know because you're in a position

where you're not in a position, you're not in this dynamic, is that, is that he's in the douce. Yeah,

but I, I've really the doce air in my definition. I think that my part of

he's really in my pleasure sadic, but, you even when I have the pleasure to

make real, I'm like rire, and be in the joy he will not he will not be like a lot of

he will be me recognize he will be me recognize and he's just like he's used to let's

let's my clients my professional maybe he's he sees he knows but my

my submits personal he me he's he's there's there's there's

many there's many at the end of the session I'm on the

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Rappar sexual? We have not a sexual not due. No. We have

We've been to talk to me, he's doing the pegging, the geos

but he doesn't my car. I don't that's not that life.

How you feel to see when you look, is that you feel? Do the

love, of the amit or nothing of that? Or, is,

is he is he care? No, he mackar not, he macker sexually

but I feel these emotions very of the feeling when he

do the thing that's not the word I'm I'm like, emu

of his devotion I'm touched by her by his devotion

I feel I'm I'm really like a kind

of something that I really really to take

to be to I'm clearly a great attachment for him. Okay. But it's like a new form

you know, like we can compare the amit and the love and the relations more erotic, it's like his own cause

but that's also, you know, I'd be not content to the day of the morning. He'll be content

to attend that, I think. And is, is, is that you, is, is, what,

what's that has been to be an dominatrice really, pretty, so my management is

made, my management. My menach, my marriage, my marriage, Psychologically, it has to do you to have to be able to doze your own

because you can verge on the same? It's sure there's like a dimension of to start my agressivety that's really

really good I think that in the time in terms of being in a danceoes or when a day,

sometimes we're at the dood at gos it's great it's correct it's it's correct

it's great it's good to be really be a clack to the clack on

the face. And it's really something that's that that I'm

that let sort of this agration in front of me. Um, but it's

it's a bit like the three dimensions that I'm it's really my pleasure to do

it's there's the there's the service because he he does for me

he's to my manage just for he poses my paws my my

God, And, I'm just Epine. Bye, you know. And install my poll and

then they're going to return to your and then he can't be able to be this kind of a

kind of of a special that where, you know, you know, with the education of

women that we have, I'm always a lot, I'm trying, I'm trying to perform and be

to be in service to, so, to be able to be to be here at

my door, go to and I'm, and I'm, and I'm, and I'm, it's, it's,

it's, It's really It's really It's really Is he pay He or no You know, it's It's like

It's just My name It's really My personal It's a relation And then And then And they're

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perhaps that the people are people who are going to be going to be but they're going to be

it's certainly the session of one hour, two hours, a lot of chibari, a lot of sadism,

a lot of flogging, of spanking, the clacking is what already? It's, a flogger

is like a sort of fowel. It's the three, the three the, it's the

many, the few the same, that's the same that. It's not the

It's the worst. It's not fair. The frathe. The cravache, there's, it depends on the people also. The cannes,

it's not. Yeah. Is it you can't do you? Do you, you know, have you?

Not bad. But you'd like that? Absolutely. Well, I'm a sexual and I'm very very sad with the

fans. Hey, it's not the fun. It's probably for the problem. It's probably for the parent

of an friend, I'd say, I'd say, I'd say, I'm not, it's a I'd be a very high tolerance

to the problem. It would be, if it's, it's a lot to be able to the court is really,

I'd be not satisfactory for you. I'd be able to, my pleasure is just to push the person

to go to the limit, you're not to be able to get to be no, if your limit are

more more, I'm just travel more far and I'm I'm like, I'm sure,

I'm like, I'm that's not the cost, it's not the the grosser the cost,

it's the reaction, to be able to to be able to to be able to get to be to get a but I'm

really having someone who have a little little bit and to see the reaction of the person,

it's really really pleasure. Is that you have an intent, let's, I imagine that we,

let's, let's, my, let's, and you, the things, the limits where he

want to really, talk about, who are, who are, you know, who are yeah,

you, you, do, you, you, like that random, it's some that's some

that's the practices that's dangerous, you're being concerned, the danger, the limit the one of the

other, with S, we've started with with, with some, with the cord, but,

you know, regularly, we're in we, we, we do, do, we've had

been able, to explore, I'm going to talk, what you're going to start, I'm going to

It's really a conversation constant. It's interesting. The trick, let's on, at the beginning, explore, and that finally... But, you, let's say, we've started to parry of Pegging. Yeah, yeah.

We're going to in a showre BDSM, thenarily. Then, before we're going to the showery, I've asked how he's sent it

by the part of that. And it was clearly in the list, but it was in the list with these Astyrix, in a sense, there's some,

there's some, I had a vision to maybe the peggy in this event and I felt like he

it's not a fuck yes like we we're trying the fuck yes so I ran't it and I said

perfect we we'll try that's maybe we'll be able to be able to be able to be able to

do you do not no no it's really important for me yeah

I'm okay I'm really not not to do something that someone that I want to because

your pleasure is anew at this moment completely completely so when when someone when someone

me say it's not it's able to say no it's a yes, it's more true,

very good that, and just someone who's just someone who's there's like maybe there,

maybe there maybe he'd too yes to yes just for me yeah

I'm that I appreciate someone that's quite a co-operative, let's, which is an inequality of

S, exactly, but I think, it's that, we're going more long and it's a certain

moment, and it's it's a sure when he's able to me say, no. What's

what you have made, which was the most, let's, let's, let's, out of the

common of demortel. You're searching to shockant. Yeah. Well, then,

this scene was a question, I'm a question on... You're saying on... Is it all the person

present are consenting that I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna verify and I'm yeah, yeah.

Um... The idea it was because the fact that my sunsmy has not access to my

car, it's really something on which I do you do, the refue to access to

to my car is a form of control also it's a form of humiliation also. Um...

So we were in a So we're in a So we're in a idea, it was that I'd put in a position where he could not move to, and I was, he could not movege.

And I was, like one of my partners, we did a scene of sex to see that before he's attached and he could do it.

Ah, it's so. So, so I've pegged my friend and he was attached and he could have been trying to

that. That's, it's in a story libertine, so they were, you were wanting like an space of gross cage

and there was like a public Oh, it's mad Yeah, it's hot, it was really hot

Oh, so you rest in the scene when you're not, you're not part of

way, no, you're still in a car in the circle, no, and I

do often that it's like being danceer, being dominatrice, being to be a sex, it's like,

a bit of a performance for one. You know, it's, clearly that I clearly that I were comfortable

to dominate through sex because I had a little this facility, I'm to be

to be a view. So, yeah, I'm particularly to play in public because we're

that channel like a bit of the scene, let's on, that's that's part of me

and it's, it's like a, it's like a , it's quite a state of , it's sure,

and you have, like, it's like, it's like, it's clear, it's, it's true,

yeah, it's true, okay, and you, there's there's something that he doesn't really not

not do that you've never made, and that's interdied, really. Let's let's, there are

some of the public, we can not be in public. We've started to explore the feminization, psychification.

There are some of the term, there's something that's something super vulnerable for him. You know,

so I can leotty and then the florape at a grand coup or the public, he's really chill

with that, but to be feminized in public, it's like, there's a blockage. And, well, I mean,

I'm really on I'm really, to get a little parruc. Be, to grattie, you know, like, what's what,

why you block there on the what's your perception, being a woman to be minimized? The day is finally

arrived. There's no affair, of tempete of nage, de verglah. All of that, it's

We can now look at the front. It's a other chapter. And for celebrate this, Joannie,

what's the we do? Well, we're on the shaker. Oh, well, which is one of my place

of destinations preferer, voyage, because I do a voyage, I'll do you go there. There's a

alcohol, incredible, and there also some mackettel, incredible. It's not just an place to

play a party, it's just just these little between friends, and probably probably that you

can do that's to show you, because there 23 shaker on

Quebec. And there's Shekew, they have a page Instagram, a page Facebook where you can't be able to be able to see when the opening of the terrace. It's when it's

when it's going to see Keir, the gang. You'd be proud of to be able to wear, why you don't know when you don't know when you

're not being in the dimension psychological of all so. So for the instant and I'm not I'm not forced to do this if he's

not allowed with that But it's sure that it's something that I want that we explore more in privy that's maybe that's maybe he can't necessarily to go and be able to but understand why he bogg

there's even just for his development personal, I'm super positive he can go to go and he can go to try for him for him. Exactly.

If it's better for him is a woman that's to be a fan that's far frapping. Well, honestly, it's that that the little guys are the most

young age. It's so that's that it's a part of, it's a man, and be able to

be able. I'm afraid. It's bad. It's fool. I'm I remember the

first time that I made a put a pair and I'm in a chair and I'm turning to the mirror,

and the reaction was a really intense I think I never ever view react as

too intensely than I've made all the tortures possible, you know? He was like, he started in myroar,

and he tried to control his respiration, and he was like, oh, it was super... Challenger. Yeah, well, clearly, for their development personal, it's a good therapy. Exactly, exactly.

Hey, hey, he, not really. No. And, you know, I, I've made, I, I, I've made read the literature feminist, you know,

like torture. Wow. Like, like, obligation, like. Like a material educational. It's good. But in what

you say, you know, my chien-sale, you know, how you know, how you know, how you know, how you

get to be in- -office? I'm not, I'm, I'm a, I'm a bit vibe of mom in time as

as a womanatress, you know, I'm not in the age-play, like, to be, to be a

old, but, but, do you put, say, that's, that's, it's not

part of your, it's, it's not something me naturally with him with him. After that,

the signs of humiliation I'm done with the client, but with him, it's not

that, I'm not that's that he need to be that he but it's more,

but it's more of a professor who don't know, the so, for the

next, the next visit that's going to use, I use, the three

first chapter of King Kong Theory, and that you'll make a

resume, and you will be to me and you have been the three

first chapter of King Kong theory who I don't know if you've read this

but she's she has been a lot of she has like a vision of the experience of women that

I think super interesting and she she's about the concept of the menace constant

of the viol that even the women who have not been violated like live

this kind of that but that also it also it becomes like

an experience universal yeah but it's generational consensocratrists of the femininity.

It's super trash, but I... So, so I... I wanted to... I wanted to get, like, a little, this perspective, then, and...

After, I'm... After, I'm femicer. So, like, I, you, I've made, like, me to create, the experience, you know, feminine, you know,

depending, and then, after that, I'm made, and I've made to make my menager at a cat, at a lot. So,

so, there's, like, there's like, a kind of, A link, you, , between Bele suite. The experience

feminine. This time that in particular, I had made a little jub, and I'd not be in a little bit of a

time, so I'm in a little so, so, so, you're like, you're not a slot, stop, and I'm

and I'm fared, I, and he'd fared, I, could have been that same in the same time,

that's sexy, but, but, but not too. Not too. It's bad, bar, yeah.

You've made in a context exactly like my We can't be sexy a bit, but not too, but not too, but not too, you know, be intelligent, but not too,

you know, we're not too cool, like, just so. A mini jup, but it would certainly not want your bobbot. Yeah, yeah, okay. Is that the, the,

all the, let's turn, the client, it's often, because we're saying sometimes, like, that the men that are, that's the men who

that are, they domine, it's the men who do, is that, is that, is this, is that, no? No. You could not

know, you could do It's a lot. Class-moyan? Really. Mr. Madame Thubon. Yeah. And then, is there

are who are? There are. I have. But I know. I know. I know. I know. I know.

I know that's a lot of people, it's a lot of clientele. I have the impression that's, it's a

class modern. Hey. At Vudgeman. Okay. But I've had, I've had,

I've, with these great job executive, but it's not the majority for me for for the instant.

Oh, yeah. Is is that say, let's let's let's

let's your own your own job will you have you want to have been

to be a relation with someone that's not probably yeah

because it's not the same not it's not the same I'm

not I'm I'm not I'm not a show to not

in the It's really in the life, I'm in the if he's never for two years and I'm not where you're

talking, I'm not going to do you do you want to change your service in the sense that

let's say, let's on one that comes, there's a that's it's a question, it's a

okay, too, yeah, or no, or no? Mm. Mm. Is you're

arriving? There's exceptions? On the dancer's... In time a dancer, it's a

way. Okay. Yeah. Well, you know, at a moment of a time it's not

a lot, but I'm because I'm in a situation in the moment. Oh. It's a last year.

I've done that I thought that I'm would be that. We're sure extremely good for you

talk to you're still more more more more than what our show of 4-7m so,

so, a little rascal, last call to to get the billet. We're

to do a show at the amphitheatre which is the most show that we've made of all the time, which is the four thousand people. We're going to the amphitheat

Cogico at Three Riviers. We'll have Matthew Dufour who will be with us all the night as as we're

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And plenty of surprise for you all. Thanks. Here's the and so,

what's new? What's the different? For the guys who are the people who like my dancehouse

prefer to my love with me, what's what I'm to make, and that's that's not that's not

one of the one. I don't know not, for the question, I'm like, why I'm

like, I'm, I'm really, for me, for me, it's like, it's like, it's a bit,

it's a bit like the distance professional of the therapist, it's like, you're a client, you're, Ark, no,

never, never, never, like, it can be really the fun the moment that we pass together. You know, there's been, there's been

excited in, in the cabins with my clients, but having an, have, to have, ever, never,

never, it's like, for real, I know, I know, I know, I'm not, I'm asking,

I'm really, the question. But, but is you a, someone who came to ,

someone who's, yeah, okay, And then, let's when he returne, he does it do that's a lot of or he's really

focused on you before he's sort of a little? I mean, I think it's something new for Looceil, it was like,

he's not not yet. Is that, let's talk, you develop a relation with someone of a stable,

of long term, in fact, I don't know if you are in a relationship presentment of this, I'm,

I'm, I'm, and, and these amireoes, Let's let's let's let's. Okay. Is that

it's a dynamic submit or not to do? No. No, no, not,

really not. And I think that's interesting also to talk about the sexuality, the BDSM

and the sexuality is not necessarily colled, it's, but it's not necessarily and,

and, let's on my, with my clients, there are some, really just

the practice of sadism. Some it's some people it's not a penitration anal

that I'm not at every time it's really not, let's get I'm, let's get

that's that's a but I don't know that I'm and I my sexuality to me

in my my life in a I mean to be a very but not

time than that like that? I'm Well, I suppose to view, the show, trash, so you compare to that,

but I'm talking. Yeah, it's sure. It's like, for me, I'm the impression that's kind of quite a bit more

more wild than, I'm doing the world. I think, in my sexuality, in relation, I'm a lot more more to go back the libertinage

than the BDSM historically, but I'm, but I think that I'd like that I'd like that to develop but I don't,

I'd say, I'd say, there's like something that clash for me between the love romantic

and the BDSM but all the possible, really, really, is it just I've arrived that you have

a blonde or a child or a person and that's hey, I'm not your submiss, I'm not

to be right. That's did you have to be? No. Okay. No. I'm sorry

I'm going to I'm transpose. I'm but my last relationship, all my last, the communication

it was really, really, really, really good. So, there were not a chican or an occasion to say, like, hey. It's often

something that comes to come in all the people that we've encountered, is that they're really a talent particular for the

communication. It's really. It's really. It's really. It's really more, and they have the more the more

there's a lot there's not a lot of people that's not there's a very much of the room to have been

to come in the room. And you know, that's what, you know, the process that I've made

of that it's made realize at the point sometimes I'm in the

way that that's why that's not to get to do you know that's not in a position to be in

the position that's the time I'm not too it's not to be to wait a no

but in fact it's because I'm really really I'm sure I'm switch on

top bottom but I'm not switched on sub okay it's more to

put to to find penetrate met let's yeah in the sex, but also with the

cord, you know, when I'm fattened, you know, I'm in position, I'm submiss physically, but, let's know, when I negotiate with my partner, the code, we're not in a dynamic of control. Okay, a dynamic of control

that someone would say, say, there's not, there's no, there's no litigation, there's not of denomination, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, it's really, you know, a trip to receive, a practice,

that's in a situation, we, bottom, where I'm absolutely but I'm not submiss Is it you get

because what I understand is kind of to partage the person to that's arreste, it's all to give to say

do to me what you want but it but it does be piquing mentally like it like it

like it I think I'm more fatiqued of my relations of danceo

because I think I I'm because I cost , but no, in the

relations, the domination, the exchange it's worth a pain. Yeah, I'm sure, either by the

person in my person in that person that's, I receive more that I'm think.

We're on the end up the segment, Eros and the company, which is a new segment,

so you're a good chanceo who is a good We're going to part with a gift of a barrette, and it's a little bit of a summed that will be pretty content.

Yeah, maybe. Or, you're, we're doing for you also. So, you're two choices. So, you're going to question for gain a lubrician eros, which is a super-bonneau, or if you do you, or if you do a action,

so it's Major Lisein who will do you do something. Okay, we're judged by the pro. Well, yeah. Yeah, it's all for that. Yeah, it's all right. Yeah, it's fair to go ahead with that. You can turn the roulette

and there's consequences electrizant I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm gonna say it's a bit but I'm

that's like I'm like yeah force you force you force you force you A shock electric

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Is that I'm yeah yeah yeah I'm yeah I'm yeah

so I'm How'd how you How do you How do you I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna

I'm gonna It's, you know, that's, that you've got to call it on the part of your choice. So it can be... Okay. There's a... He has four? Four?

Three? Okay. How can't we do you decole? I'm going to decole. Okay, no, parisone of the cap. Okay. I'm ready. There?

Yeah. Yeah. One, there, and... Okay. But you're... But you're not? It's not. It's not.

But, de furs, but... But, de fos, you have to be magnified a little. Okay, let's see, let's go, malle, in-d-sue, you know, in the way, I just, in the way, I just, in the way, to get it, let's be able to be hydrated.

Yeah. Well, it, it's not. Oh, yeah, the cheques in my lap, they're able to be able to have to be able to make. It's like, like, the kind of thing, that's, like,

um, no, okay. Well, yeah, it's a little bit of my own scrapete. Well, the other phone, the film, and it's a bit, you know, is it? You have to have to do this?

It's not, for real. No, it's not bad. But it's not bad, it's not too much. But it's not bad. No, it's not. But is, let's put, if you think it would be? Yeah.

Ah, yeah, so you'd have, so you'd shatuerre? Yeah. One, it's your clit, and then you'd be able? Oh, yeah. Oh! Oh!

The mal, an dominat, you know, dominat, but it's just that, like, it's just that,

like, it's, like my, oh, you're, my, my, my,

members involuntarily, yeah, we're, we're, yeah, yeah, it's a bar,

that, that's a , you know, a friend's fran, oh, you're, you're right,

okay, well, let's go. Okay, but I'm, but I'm, but I'm, but it's really,

but it's really, but it's really, it's interesting, it's when it's when it's a bit of the clit. It's not a little... But it's not a lot. It's not much.

It's a bit like a bit of a bit of a vibration and then you can't even be like that. Is it what you think? Is it going to be able to, it's a bit of chock? There are you that? We've got, not my affair, pre-afle. You've had to have to whetted? At first of me, I'd say, maybe I'd say, you can't.

I said, you can't do. I've had to do. I have a good... It's like it's like to control the cochon Oh no A baton electric

Oh my God Oh my Godot That's a Okay, but look My Godot Faye Look, look Yeah, I just

Just got, huh? But when you pay You're not You're not But I'm not You're on your On the skin On your wrist

Why I'm It's up to You're to do Oh my God So this feeling that I think It's still kind of interesting of the movement

involuntary, but the sensation is not a little this door that's a connect to him. Check that.

It's the new marto piqueur. So, so it's a martow, and you'll be able to

you can you can't be penetrate by the martow and it's a beau stopper.

So, so here's your marto piqueur now, you can be able to use

your your little bit of in In fact, we don't know, we'll hear more. Yeah, it's sure. And you have the vibration or the percussion. So, yeah, you're like,

so, yeah, you're like, Oh, oh. Check, Great. It's not me who face it. Is you right? Yeah, I'm saying a little bit of a same corner, like that's a.

Check, you see. You see, you know, Hey. You're hot, huh? Okay, excuse me. I've got the, I just, I've just, I've, I'm pretty, the part of it.

Well, no, but it's perfect, so. Hey, thank. Hey, it. It's, it's a pleasure. I don't know. I don't know. I guess it's like, again, it's

a lot. No. Is that is that in psych, it's at at what your career

that you're returned to in school? But it's like, it's a long way,

you know, since, um, 2016, 17, I think, I'll alterne, you know,

I've done, you know, an year of study, an year of an year of, and my my base, it's the work

of sex, it's that that's why I pay my way, but it's also to do you know

to be able to do you, and do you have a little of my project that's a little bit to be a

real? Oh, yeah, oh, yeah, I want to just to know,

is there there, there are, there, there's that you've changed your manner

to work to work, or to work of the work of sex, the client, yeah,

it's, So, we know, it's a good idea. It's sure. I'm saying that I'm not like an idea precise, like, tell you're in certain that's sure that

there's not really useful, in the sense that it gives a comprehension more large of the sexuality human.

You know, I'm teaching, in sexology, in psychology, and in sociology, so it's sure to understand the dynamics

of power. So, my certica, is an study critic of sexuality, so we're talking, we're talking

about the sexuality, in a card political, you know, so I think for me that's super

interesting, to be able to play with these rapporte that, and to be able to get to be able to so it's really,

so it's sure that it's so it's true. To realize to those women. Hey, it's an ally

it's the ally number one in Edna, like, all the people, it would have an session

with you for who they're what the feminist? I think it's something that I'm also

also also also, the quote professor, the point, I'll have to have your education, and you'll

learn to be to be able to be able to get to be to be able to do you know, if we're we're doing

for you know, we've got to do it. It's really beautiful, it's the first time I know that

it's really a good day. I'm a question mined for about, before, to go,

to do you have far incredible, to danceer, those, the danceres, is that, is that,

there are a lot of people, who'd say, what he'd say, what he'd do, he's trying to

do, it's when he and he's , he's called, and they're when they're to hear, sometimes,

they're, they're, they're just gonna, they're, they're doing, and they're just vids, and then,

but after that, they're gonna not, I think that's that's like, the fatigue to get, it's,

because it's because it's always to get to get, it's, you know, you know,

you know, at a moment, you're, to come, to get, to, There's, you know, there's some, you know, there's questions

that I'm like, you're like, sometimes, sometimes I'm not, like, I'm not, like, you're not, but I'm,

like, it's a thing that's, like, it's a thing, we're, we'll joddye a bit more, you know, but if I, see, like,

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it's difficult, to, like, how, how, how, how, how, well, thank, bye,

well, thank, but, But, but then let's see, you know, you know,

you know, you know, it's really cool, I'm sorry to dance more, but I'm sorry, I'm sorry, to dance,

and I'm sorry, I'm sorry, and sweet. Very good. Thank you. I'm a question. Now, you've rested

45 minutes to the water with a with a respirator with that. Yeah, but I think that's a good

that is interesting because it's a bit of the BDSM and LORs for me for me, I use

many practices the practices of BDSM in my creations, The project in the aquarium It's a piece that's called Broyey as a Madeleine

which is a project that I've made about the murder of my grandmother which is in fact about an oath that my father has made about the murder of my grandmother My father photographed and my grandmaire my grandma has descended in her bin

I don't explain not all the concept because it's a gross spoiler if one you'll see a year you see a

there's a there's a question of my grandmother in the in my aquarium um

um is that we can't have access to this place in line? No, but I'll probably

to play a year a year I'm going to do last you have an aquarium

I have a aquarium that's a room I'm scared to be here to be there to be there

so you're a big aquarium of a more I'm just I'm five

five five my grander. The idea is that there's a person with me who is the

person who attach, she makes in the aquarium, and there's a respirator, I'm going to the aspirator,

and with the inspirator, it's, when I'm going to get up, and when I expire, it's to be

going to be a background, you're a text of my voice enrageted, who records with the bin of my

grandmour where she had a reflection on the murder and the impuissance

also. For me it was an experience for, the more had long been been a

subject that's a concept of the death I'm like, but, let you know, it's like,

it's like a minute we're just like a break there. I'm like some some sort of

vertige existential by a part to that. So, so this experience

that's a way to affronted my part of my part of the More.

So, so, so rest to 45 minutes to the water, and he got to

be able to be able to get to get to get to me to really, really to

bring it's a place, but not the money to make it on the only fans.

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can't you're just you're for those who can be there for your

abodement for to go and you look that, then you do

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But I'm a fan if you're more because it's the person, I'm a entrepreneur

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of cash. I know, I'm, I'm, I'm really, I'm entrepreneur in the

in person, in person but I, I'm, I've tried to have an only

fan during the pandemic and I'm, I'm, I'm, there's there's,

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like, I'd be in the little, chill in my bed, my, my father,

he has made a super beautiful photo, he has made a photo, that's the

cell of bed, and it's suvvettements accroached after the , the poinies,

it's it's like, she's like, she's like, She had to go out and she get to get to get her

she's going to she's probably this photo that I'm emmeur a much. Wow. Yeah.

Is that you have a little 15 minutes on our for our to get to the

people? Absolutely. Yes. Thank you to ask. Is we have any, is

is that have a particular that you would have to make in the

description of this podcast? Yeah, so we we're on Tantor, I have like my

Instagram personal, but my Instagram of my Instagram of artists, so it's like my my photos of aquariums and

things like that that's called St. Kattain. And I'm also my Instagram of ProDome who is Domina Zoe.

You can't me to see one or another point Zoe? Yeah, Domina. point Zoe. Zinnonon

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commanding if we're not command but to you're reserved I'm reserved I'm sorry I'm not

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10 million of dollars oh my thank Zoe thank thank you thank you

Thank you.