Sexe Oral - Marie Michelle Desmeule: 5 ans de procès, 10 ans sous emprise

Episode Date: April 9, 2026

Cette semaine sur le podcast, Lysandre et Joanie reçoivent Marie-Michèle Desmeules, survivante d’exploitation s3xuelle… et une femme d’une force bouleversante.Elle revient sur son parcours sans filtre : les années sous emprise, la manipulation, la dénonciation de son proxénète… et surtout, tout ce qui vient après. Le procès, le système judiciaire, le trauma et cette réalité dont on parle beaucoup trop peu.On aborde les impacts profonds de l’exploitation s3xuelle, les failles du système, la difficulté de se reconstruire… et l’importance de redonner du pouvoir aux victimes.Entre moments difficiles, réflexions essentielles et prises de conscience, c’est un épisode nécessaire, humain et profondément marquant.Le podcast est présenté par Éros et CompagnieUtiliser le code promo : SEXEORAL pour 15% de rabais sur https://bit.ly/EROS-MEILLEURSVENDEURSLe podcast est présenté par Oxio. Utilisez le code promo SEXEORAL pour obtenir 1 mois gratuit sur oxio.caRESSOURCES:La CLES | Concertation des luttes contre l'exploitation sexuelleSource : La CLES - Concertation des luttes contre l’exploitation sexuellehttps://share.google/idPafA5vbgqvDiRv9https://www.affranchies.ca/https://calacslancrage.ca/https://www.maisondemarthe.com/https://www.calacsestrie.com/https://www.onf.ca/film/commerce_du_sexe/https://988.ca/fr🔔 Abonne-toi pour ne pas manquer les prochains épisodes!Pour suivre Lysandre Nadeau : https://www.instagram.com/lysandrenadeau/Pour suivre Joanie Grenier : https://www.instagram.com/joaniegrenier69/Pour suivre Marie-Michèle Desmeules : https://www.instagram.com/survivante_intervenante/Pour écouter sur Youtube :https://www.youtube.com/@sxoralpodcastPour devenir partenaire du balado : [e-mail] travailler avec l'équipe du balado : [e-mail] Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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I've had a relation amoeo with a proxenette and it's he

denonce in 2014. And this procedure has dured five years. It's sure that I encourage the women, but

you know, but you know, it's not easy. I mean, I mean, I don't know why my process

had been mediatedated and she, Mary Michelle, your process had been mediated because it was in the time of Fugeoze.

There's there's a you can't have a girl like a point of pizza, you know, the young

female in the middle, it's 12, 13 years, you know, I've been in the middle, and it's

really 12, 13, and perhaps maybe even 11, At which we can start at the the most of the possible

and how we can't we can't make it to make it we need to we need to be maybe she might be maybe she has maybe she has

some of the approach it it's not it's not an interdicant because I'd like that you

know that you'd be pretty this little we're practically we're present with Mary Michelle

Mary Michelle I'm going to hear camera but I'm am sure I'm sure that you're accepted to

be here today. I've passed my showery with you to listen to hear of time. I'd like to enter

to do you to say that it's a really good podcast and that's you talk a long and large of the

time. We're going to make a little surveal today but if ever the people will

go to it's a good podcast to listen and maybe to be to be to be

to talk to more in profound of what what's in how you you go

primarily today? I'm going I'm going I'm going much I'm going to I'm going to

I'm doing in a little state of my life. Yeah, it's a time.

Yeah, it's do you do it also. Yeah, is it is clear.

Is that you see, without the big detail, you

would a little to us, we, uh, we're to say the

why you're there today. I think it's important for for me to explain

in fact the things that I not explain in fact,

at the parloor, because at the way, exactly I've talked the

most part of my life, but I think it's important to explain

all my procedure just here, the procedure, the process, the after,

all what I have seen, the space of abandon,

um, I'm I have a need to explain also the trauma. What's what the trauma? I think that it's important that the people be able to the trauma.

I have also to explain, in the front where I've put a plaintiff for that the young women and the young

women who live of the exploitation sexual can't know how to point the before, the

after, the after, how, my procedure is passed, and how it's happened today. I would also

talk to the IVAC, who is the indemnization to victims of criminal. How it's going to how it's what it was going to what's going to

what was in what is what is what is what is what I'm also talking about the service correctional, service to

victims, maybe, some of the pen carceral also who are not necessarily easy to have to be

present to present to his proxionette. I'd like also also probably of the women who

are recognized also as proxenette often who are affiliated to a

man and a some people are encouraged by the proxenette so

maybe some some that the women can be recognized so that

maybe that I'd probably like I like that I'm like I'm

going to you have point by point now right No, but it's so, it's it's a

It's a lot of it's a lot of it's like, but it's like you like you had just the good to

me pitcher in the because you're to be able to do you watch don't, you'll see

to go ahead, do you could you could be a brief survol for those who'd

not have seen this episode of the parlooir? Yeah. In fact,

it's so, I've been victim, in the fond, of exploitation sexual, of proxenetism

on a period of about 10 years. I've not had only proxenet. By count, I've had

a relation amourous with a proxenet, and it's he that I've denounced in

2014. And this procedure that has durer five years, the procedure

I've quitted around in 2009 and it took five five years before to the

denonce. Well, if I had even the force, I would denounce the other

proxionate, but I have no the force to revive these procedures osso long

that that I would I'd, I'd like, I'd like to sense, a procedure that dur five years. I'd probably not, live that, and pass it at a travel to that, because five years, it's enormous in a life,

and, you know, it's not just five years of process, it's... You're remade in. Oh, yeah, no, no, I can't. Revere, all that, repensate. It's all that you have to be clear, so it's a lot of your ideas, it's a, you know, a gross preparation,

and you can't have, you can't have, you can't, if it's, it's, it's, it's, it's also, is what, is it? Is it the, the process that you've had in 30 years, you think it's more easy? Is it what the difference between before and today, is what you know? I think that, in fact,

today, what I know what I see that has changed, is that, when I'm, when I'm, there are several steps in a procedure, is that the person can plead the coupable I'm not

he has not pleaded culpable, he has decided to go to go to there's

the inquiry there, so you have to it's a it's a process so you

have posed a question all so that I've asked a paravan

in fact for not to not to not we're and we're saying, well,

Mary Michelle, no, we refuse the paravan because you express well,

you do you know to do make a court that's a lot of a

question, if you know, if you have a bad idea, it's not a lot of to make

to say, no, you can't have a paravent because you know, I mean,

because, you know, it's not, it's there, it's been in it's not so in 2017.

Yeah, so I'm so I'm demand to the procurer of the Courone, I demand

the paravan and we refuse the paravan. And in fact, it's the judge who refuse the paravan.

I think that abominable because you know, it's a bit five years that I've been not seen my proxenet.

So, I'm in a state where I think that I think I think I think I'm going to

get to I'm not well, you know, and you have almost livery a performance

that, you know, it's perfect, it's really extremely difficult to to be the

judge, before an judge, before the advocate of the defense, you know, I'm not a test expert,

I've never never passed at the court. So, for me, I've done, I'm completely

dissociated of my emotions because I put in mode of dissociation. And that it's part of the trauma,

you know, we do you, we do so we do not automatically because we can't do not

otherment. So, so, by the Then, obviously, we're in 2017,

it's still, I've been in 2014, we're in 17, and there, we're

received on the date for to go to process, and then, we're he decides

to go to go and then, he change an day, he decides to go

to go the judge. So, so, so, it's, it, it's,

it it It's become more and more long, you know, the process is the

trial, the process, it's not for 2019. And, I'm in 2019, I'm in

19th. And it been that's been that, that's been, yeah, it's,

yeah, that I'm going to be with that. And in 19 I'm unciente of my

conjoin, and I demand, there, to my procurer, I said, is,

is that could have had to have the paravan, I'm, you know, I'm concerned. You know, it's sure that I'm very anxious, you know, I'm not going to be.

And we say, no, unfortunately, you have not the right or paravent. And then, I'm, I'm taking consideration, you know, I'm in consideration, you know, we're in consideration

that I'm concerned. And when we're doing the demand paravan, it's about two weeks before the process. And, during this two

weeks, I, I'm per the infant. And so, I'm a process, and I've done I've done,

and the more I can I'm doing I'm doing I'm doing. And it's in October,

in October that, he has received a sentence, that he has been a

reponue and eight years of federal with 25 years as 25 years

as a second moment that, you know, for me,

that it's it's not eight-year, one year, two-year, it's not the sentence for me that's really important. For me, it's that the judge me crore in as a victim. You know, for me, that's the most grand

reconnaissance, because it's not the pain that I've been. Not to do you. When the process is terminated, at the month of March,

2019, I feel that I'm completely ennanti. I, you know, I feel quasi-abandoned by my inquirteur because it's a five years that I've collaborated with them. It's, I feel completely

perdue. I feel like, profound in me, I guess, it's been five years, I've been with you, I know what to do, I, you know,

I, I, feel really a void, profound, you know, it's been difficult, for me, to, you know, it's, it's, it's,

it's, for the years and it it was super important for them that I

don't no any of any that I'm on my identity on

Facebook that I know that I'm that I'm because it's not there's not

there's not because the avocca of the defense can't serve against

me and so so so I'm like I'm like I'm I'm

I'm feel I'm What I remember is that at the end of the process, I asked

to judge, my procurer of the coroner of the coroner, that's, that's the levy

of non-publication. I don't know if you know, the levee to know, the levee to say,

it's not, you can say, that's the way, in fact, I've not made that

for any reason, it's that I was that I'm able to partene to partene

to have been under the in-price of many proxenite. I had

appurtened to the police for five years. For me, to me, to me

to me to be a very much I had just a need to destabilizing can even

even if Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was destabilized but I had

so just just need to me, to me to me appartonire it,

it was my most great business, is you felt

that had the right? When I when I made the demand and

that's the judge you the judge you I'm I'm I'm not

I'm know I I'm I'm not I'm that I'm that's really

really or that's it's it's a it's it's a time and even

even even even again today it's it's a time to

every every every every to to feel that it

that that that's that that's that's not a I work, you know, it's not

like that, it's very, very long. It's really long. It's really to construct. It's long, we're done

in 2020, and I'm done to and I'm working on there's still. Is that, you, like, you

worked as, you know, we, we're, we're not, on, we're not, in a podcast, but, at the

time, I'm in arre, in arre, in a, work, yeah, okay. Before that,

you were, you worked, you worked as intervenants? Yes, I've made some community

in intervention. Okay, is that at the moment that's, let's what, is what you have viewed

the changement of today versus in your years, when you did you have an amelioration,

more of more of things, for the people, the people, the people,

the people, it's sure that, today, on the procedure judicial,

today the women have even not to be obligated to demand the paravan, it's automatic

they're not impossible. They have the paravan and even they can have changed of sal.

So, you know, I think, that I think that formidable. Wait, we're talking

of 2019 or I'm when I put your complaint, it's in 2014, but the

inquiry preliminary is 2017 and the process is in 2019. And you

did have refused Before, two-fraved. Exactly. The two-foy, it's 2017 and 2019. So, it's recent. Yeah,

it's for that a time. So, it's not 20 years of that. There's potentially there, I think that's about, but is you

think that the movement Mitu maybe in 2020 has made to advance the affairs, perhaps at this level that?

I could not be to me to answer. It's been before, because I could.

And I, in the years of the years of, I think it's 2020, I'm like, so it's, so, so, maybe you

that's even you like, like, because I, I know, I, I could be separated to

him, I had several recos, and I could not be not a question, it was not

an obligation, so, so, but there's a difference that, because, you know,

it was a car pedophilie, you, to, the, of, sexual

of minor, but in your case, it's it's probably, I mean I mean the ICA, how it's called?

Ivaq. Ivaq? But Ivaq, that's, the IVAC, it's, the IVAC, is the

indomization. Okay. But is is what I did it that they didn't not the

people who had used a proxenate like the victims? Is that I've seen that some

yes. Yes, yes. In the fact, the fact, they not the

victims of exploitation sexual even in 2014, when it's arrived, I had received we had made

a question, and we said, well, we're not you know, because he recognized not the

exploitation sexual, the proxenetism like a crime. And there, I, I, well,

and, you, it, and, you know, that in my case, you had been

reconnue culpable of other chief of accusation, viol, sequestration, voice-to-fairmed, you know,

voight-to-fa with lesion and all that, it's for that that I've got to have been for proxeneticism I would,

you know, I'd have not could have had been right to have because Ivaq because

Ivak was a law that had not been modified before because Jesus

Christ. Yes, it's for that I did, I think, I think, I

I think, I I think that's a domicester, because if a proxenetetist, an example, a guy pleaded culpable to proxenitism, well, the girl pleadeducpins to aid, that the girl, that's not even not even not even even not even though in time victim. Exactly. Because there are the females who have not been the right to aid,

to, do, do, do, too, and the law, has changed in 2021, if I don't me abuse, really, in 2021. So the kids, if they were... In 2012, ported plain. So, like, the proxenetism is reconno. But, you know, I'm I'm from the ancient generation. So the proxenitism,

it has been modified in 2021. And in 2014, the law also has changed concerning, even at my time, at my time, I, I've puttie plinth in 2014, but in 2014,

the law has changed concerning not criminalized the women in the industry so if I was

I was under the repris and that I had automatically a dossier criminal

even if I had under the office of a proxenet I was because to work

but to be working and to have a proxanet I had a dossier criminal

for a of the sex, in 2014, that's... No, but the law has changed to decriminalized

the women. At least, it's, so, so, really, the view was to, the view,

it was to decriminalize the women, so the women, today, are more criminalized.

So, at the there's that that's good, because, you know, I'd say, I'd say,

I'd say, I'd probably, because, you know, I'd, you know, I'd,

you know, I'd, it's not very cool, you, you'd, I would have not tripe to have a a dossier for...

In plus of what you're in plus, in plus, in all of what it's really not agreeable. It's a baruit. Yeah,

because there's there's a time who, for their proxenette, the proxionette demanded, you know, you,

you want to, you, because the proxanettes are very, very, very manipulator, you know,

and, you know, Sometimes the boys, bon, embarked in the game, all that,

you know, and I see some, you know, some of some of, you can be seen as

a proxenitis, you know, you've been to beaubbue, published, these photos, that's these chief

of accusation of proxonetis. So, if a female, he publish these photos, if,

me, example, I publish these photos for you, I can be accused of proxonetism. Prued

the photos, these annons, if I respond to the textos of clients if I can't

get to be accused of proxenetism You know you've talked about when you did all you

did you talk about you're talking in the proxanitism that I'd quite quite a

part of a woman probably can't be yeah well yeah

because sometimes the women can't sometimes by amour sometimes

are in with their proxionette. The proxenet, you, the, the, the, the, so, okay,

I'm going to embarked, and, yeah, it's, there's, there's, there are,

that's, there's, it's more, excuse me, no, no, it's more, more,

it's more, like, , like, , you're , like, you're coming to, , you know,

I, , you know, I, I've been, no, I've been, in the sense that,

you've been, you've been, you've, you've, made recruited by a woman at the first at the end up the first

but at the moment that if let's let's have been with the law that's this girl

had been be accused of proxenetism well she's she's she's not uh

I'm I'm I think if these people that were that's yeah

I'm not I'm not I'm not she she she was she she she was she's not

something something that I'm you know, I'm a moment a day you, yeah,

you, but at that in your life, you know, to what I heard of the you know, you know,

you see what you see what you see what, and you don't know, and you don't know, you think that

it was correct at this moment that, so it's sure that, to return also, I'm

to think that your memory, more you have been the time and more you can't

that's that's protect is, is it you think that's you're

to be in a way of the past, you know, of what it's going to

what's that's sure that when we're talking, it's sure that there's a kind of

a memory of memory and, um, you know, maybe that's

that's voluntary and, um, obviously, that's, you know, the,

you know, the, you know, you can't, you can't, you, sometimes he does it

for you protect to protect your impact too violent because he could

not to make to have all that's it's it's too violent

what you have been but there there's there there's

there and it's well correct like so I I'm

I'm so I'm yes I'm there have there

my my memory. But it's like so. It's normal. Sometimes the people

can't say, we can't say they're not going to say, it's normal. Yeah,

it's normal. And you know, I've a schema here of trauma, you know, which is

really, you know, that's, you know, very complete, but, you, it's,

it's very complex the trauma, you, and, and, and, and,

for aid someone who is in the, who vied a trauma of exploitation sexual, it's really that you're abileteen, it's, it's, it's, is, is what,

is, is, is what, is, is, exactly, the trauma that, that has caused? Oh, my, my, I, have, I,

have, I, have, I, it's, it's just, can't even, I've been, but I, have been very

vigilance, so, I can, I can't even, my little bit, because, because, sometimes,

even, in, when, when, when I'm, oh, my, oh, my,

oh, my, Yes. The perth of interest, the diminution

of the concentration, the bouverte of the emotion, the hounds toxic,

um, sometimes I've been more to say the perth, pardon, I've got to goche in

micro, the flashback of the past. I'd did put to coachment. I mean, I did a lot of that I, you know, that I'd

make agress at home, that I'd violate, the defiance, the hypervigilance, as I explained, the tag, the trouble of anxiety

generalized. And, you know, that, we're, that, you, that's in general, the words of the head,

the doulure chronic, and that's proved, the, you, the doulare chronic, in fact,

the servo is programmed to be to envoyed these daughters like if you

to do you to do make you so you know, the brain you know, you know,

like you doleur, but in fact there's a question, so you know, there's a fact, your

heart, so, so, you know, I've developed these problems that are constant,

and there's there's not of, you know, medication, or what that's that's that's

is that's that your soul, he said, danger, danger, danger, danger, but in fact, there's not a danger, you know, I'm not

I don't, I don't, I'm not an auto-destruction, but there's something that is a particular that I've reproduced

and that I, I realized it before, you know, I'm trying in psychiatry, and it's a domain, a milieu

who was that's violent and I think that I had been to reproduce because it's something

that I knew the violence and that I had been a question of this chema of violence because it was

something where I was that I was that I'm that I don't know that I'm able to

tolerate for me the violence it's really terminated it in some that's for

that's for that you're in Arrest? You know, I'm not I'm able to No, I'm able to

know, I'm not, you know, I'm in some of the voture modified, it's a

pow, you know, I'm going to be sursoot it, um, it's so, sometimes I'll have

some, you know, some, say, maybe, let's, you make, a gist

brus, you, I'm, I'm, you know, the, the touch for me,

it's, you know, that's not any that's who can who can't, It's so.

It's some. It's very difficult that's very difficult. You know, the sounds. I know

to analyze a piece, the people who are that's the things that changed for me,

you have talked about also the fatigue chronic that you feel is that

even in in the right, is that you're still still

really if you're still that's all the time that. Yes.

Is there are some that you see that you know that's that's there's it's sure

that's I think I think for the people who don't have been very difficult

to be difficult to be to be just perhaps to learn to live with

to let some let's get there and to give to give

an importance to what you can not control to let's to let's

I don't if I'm I can't I can't I can't retoning the things I'm going to

because it's you want to make you Fack you're still, is you

have a still yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah

yeah I'm yeah I'm you've been um because that I'm imagine

even with the process you've you've that you revisit Yes, is there

You say, you say, you say that's there do you have been in course of the revisited that you have

voluntarily blocked, let's own. Well, there, if you me pose the question,

my fear has diminished, but sometimes, it's my fear of him, but that's

the trauma, you know, it's the space of boate black, of the ancient

Marie-Michel, you, it's, it's, it's, it's a little de mystifying the trauma, you know, it's a change much. Diffing, sometimes it's a revere, some of the moment present.

I'm not sure that you had talked in the parlor of what's that you've done when you've seen? When I've seen, at the process five years later? I think, me evan, yes. I think I'd I think

to be to turn it's not you're not prepared to that it's sure that it's

sure that you've got if you have regarded, if you remember, he's not

he made not he's he's that's when he when I when I

had been when I had been sitting on face of there, there was

there was there with some gunned in his eyes you know, you know,

you know, you know, you know, it's really destabilized, it's a really made in a place

where, there's a space of my trauma that I was not bad, he made to the

more young Marie Michel, but, you it's an time where I was more fragile, more sensible,

you know, I was really not bad, you know, we're talking in 2014, of 2017? In

2019. Oh, 2019? Yeah, so it so it had like that, it was like 10 years. Yeah.

And then he had been able to Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's

been very long before that I arrive to see, to, to, the, you,

the, you, the, um, the impris? Yeah, and to me felt a more

strong before he, you, you know, when I present example, in,

the, the service correctional, or that I'd have Laird when he demanded these demands

of liberation conditional that has always been refused and that I know, no, no, it's just,

it's just, it's not a bit, this man has no more the power on me, but it

has been that this womanterman has done on my life and on the life of my

co-victim and on the life of other women, but as I mean, you know,

you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, for you. And, you know, I'll say,

that's the choice of life he he's partying. You know, the person the person the most important,

it's me, you know, it's a choice no, it's not, it doesn't, because he has not

chosen, he has chosen, no, but I, I mean, my life to me

my life, to say, what he has, what he has made, what, what,

I'm, you know, I've had to do, I've had to, I've had all the could.

Now, I can not do nothing doing it's sure that in the time it's sure that

in the time, it's more more than you're still, you're still, you encourage the people to

say that it's a really difficult. Is that you would do you would be doing,

saying that, knowing all that? I know that's not made for all the world

to denounce because because you know, you can't have the support of the IVAC

without denonce. It's sure that I say to all the women, to denounce

but, you know, the thing I, I've made the demand to the levade

of the non-publication. And, you know, the level of non-publication that me has

made to have certain things in my life. It's like the

retray of the reconstruction of, you know, the retray of my implants,

the whole my reconstruction of my mare, that's it's it. By

there's there's a lot of non-publication to leave the interdive of non-publication

it's sure that I encourage the women but know that it's not easy,

you know, to be just in context for the retray of the implant, is that

had come forced to me, I'm, but I'm gave so my

appearance physical because that I had very, very, very, very,

very, very, pretty, and, uh, for he was, it was extremely

lay, a girl that had a few of sin and basically, not the

case, so it's being, all the all the women are and, you know,

I mean, you know, but, but, but, it's right, you, like,

you, I, you know, there was, there was, there was, there, there was,

there, there, there, I would say, I said, but there's 800 C. Yeah,

I had to 8CC. And triple G that's all right. Yeah, tabah. Yeah, it's so.

And, you know, it's all engendry even more of the of the and,

in the case, it's, before I'm back I know, in the press,

you know, we had some, we did, with my criminologist, you know, I had a criminalogue

in art, um, I had, you, the medicine who signed, you know, all the people

signed because it's, you know, I'm going to, you know, I'm saying you imagine too, you know,

I'm saying too, it's just extremely mad and I think, I'd think, I'd like, I'd say,

a bit before, uh, no, and, you know, and, you know,

and, you know, at the point, you know, at the time, you know, it's like, I,

like, it, it's, it's the last thing, that you're , And it's when I

I've passed in the press the RAMQ me had called like three years after they're we're saying

it's really the move in the press that's that's that's important Yeah, that's so

and the but, you know, I wanted just that we'd just that we'd

be able to it's, you know, it's had been in the feeling to be

that's well, yeah, that's like my bit, I'm I mean, like, I've

pugh, this regard that on me, you know, I'm apparting, you know, it's more that I wanted,

it was like, it's like, it's sure that I never had not the Marie-Michel before.

No, but it's kind of a decision that you have made for you to be

not influenced by person, who is really, you know, it's for me, that I'm, that I'm,

but I'm said, you, for that. And Dr. Badran who was the surgeon in chief

of the hospital said, I think I said I've seened all the letters and said, it's not parched, I

don't know I'm not, you know, so, you're just blame, it's all a lot of,

but you have to me, I'm playing at a visage at the press, so,

so, so, so, if I, I, I, I, maybe,

maybe, maybe, definitely, I'm, it's that also that I hope, but it's sure that I encourage a woman, you know, there's something that's important

that I'm going to repopper in the head I'm repopped in the head. I'm an journalist with who I'm in that I'm saying that she says

that, she she, she, she, that, you know, that it's, that it's not not as how I

we could have been quite mediatized the proxenitism that's not not quite quite

heard, that's not quite understood because she said it's there's there's there's

there's and she and she she's really that's someone who is always,

you know, like I don't know it's all the time at the few all the

she, she, she, she's not really that all the proxenite because

my made it's not, and honestly, I don't know why my process had been mediated and she, Mary Michelle, your process, you know, my question is immediately, because it was in the time of Fugeuse. And I said, well,

it's evicted. It's that? It's that, because I said, why, I have so, I mean, I said, but it's right that it was at the time of Fugeus. Okay.

And I, I couldn't know, why there were there just there were to, I. I thought that it had a rapport

to, because it was, you were, because your father had been police, that he had a little

more more than the there was I mean, you know, I'd say, it was it's not,

you know, we'd not, you know, that my father had been a policy, you know,

my father had retreated, okay. In, in partaging your story, ve, you've,

you've been a, it's a face of that, and I imagine that there's had been

there, you've, there, people, the, of, the, people,

that's , So it's a So it So it comes with a power,

important to have no, but in the sense that just in partaging your story,

you're something something to do, is is that do you

do, I, I'm, I'll devere that in two questions. First, how

you try to have that because if you've not, it's it's not to take

to take this decision, to go public, to to show, when it's not necessarily something that you wanted, you know,

it's not clear. You know, do you know, I'm not quite, I'm very clear. I'm not quite. No, no, I'm very well, I'm very,

very honest. At the beginning, I think that I'd think I'd be car and arms, and then, and today,

I'm very and I'm not very and I decide to pass the flambot to someone of other because

it's very very difficult for I think I think I think that I think I'm I'm going to take care of

me. We respect all that yeah more more thank you to be taking the

time I'm I'm I've I've been very very emotive I'm

I've done I but I'm very fatiqued. You know, it's time, it's

it's time, it's I'm trying to change of life completely, I want to pass to

other things. You know, I'm talking, I'm like, it's, you know, I think that, you know,

the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the,

the, the, it's a grandation, um, um, it's so, I've

I'll talk to also. I can't do you do you? Let's what in the exploitation

sexual is enormously grandly. You know, I mean, I'm saying, I don't know why I'm

don't know about you get to chibogamot you can go to put your chibogamot so, it's

long shibogamu but example we're Chikotimi. Metton Metton Shikotimi I, I know

Chikotimi, but I know Shikotimi but let's Three rivers. Three rivers. Okay.

Let's on you're at three rivers and you live of the exploitation sexual. So you can

go to police, I don't if there's a post of police or it's the SQ,

so you can go to put their police let's on municipal of three river

and they are going to be to let's let's let's let's

let's three Rivier, it would be Quebec, who are specialised in exploitation sexual and

be charged to be really to be in your doce in exploitation sexual. You know, my

time, it was, it was a little squad, like that, gross like so.

Two people? Not two people, but, like, two persons. But, today,

are rendered Gatino, Quebec, the SPUVN, the SPUVN, the SPUVN, I studied Laval. I've studied Laval.

I don't know. Longueyee. In other case, there are, well, there are, well, many, and the Surveptuette are in exploitation

sexual. There are the project and the Survivor, there's the AVVM, and there's Quebec, which is a project of survival like,

like, but who don't have, who have not, who have not leave the right

of publication. So, it's these women who do the formation

policeier, all that, so they're there for sensibilize the police or the

phenomenon really of the exploitation sexual to know to know to know.

Yeah, it's important also, you know, these women, so, so,

so, there's a, there, there, there, there, there, there,

now, on the exploitation sexual, is that I don't know your second question?

I think she was there question. No, in fact, my second question was about

the testimony that you have to receive to receive? Yes, yes, I'm many, many,

there's a lot, there's a few people who have been of the exploitation sexual and

who don't not, necessarily have been necessarily to be plenty, who have

been, who they've been, who have seen, what, to receive that, Is it

confirmed that you did you did a make a pressure? Is it how you've lived? It's sure

that I I, I, I sent that I had said, I felt that I could,

you know, I felt like, you know, I've seen that I had been at a good moment.

I, I've encountered of these female there, I've encountered these,

the, people, people, But it's sure that at a moment I don't know, I know, I can't You know, you can't You can't refer to them

Yeah, yeah, we'll do Like in the organisms, you know, And the organisms, you know, I, you know, before all that, I've been to search, to aid, you, I've received to the aid, you know, I'm to callax, Chateau Guil.

Calax, is the center aid for the women who have vied of the agressions on character sexual. You know, the calax

example chateaugis, the calax lancrage. You know, I've had been a cluel

that's the concertation of the lutte against the exploitation sexual sexual.

You know, there's there, there are kind of there for help and you have to

get to we're not to be there. We can't be able to get to get to

the idea. You, you're olivac that's, and so even if the person, let's say the first point, let's say,

if someone who is, she's, she has, she has been, she has not the force presentment or to denounce,

she can come to come and to get to the aid? Oh, well, is that's sure.

And if, let's go, by experience, with the work that you've done, is the first step,

it's a good first step, so, before even to say, hey, we'll put plenty, to go,

we're trying, I'm, Oh, my God, my first step, I'm, my first step, is that I called a suicide-action, in 2011, and, me had referred to Calax. And after that, the Calax, I'm going to the Clare. And then, you know, the Clare, I'm going to do that

the documentary, the commerce, of sex. That's on Telekebec. He's not on Telekept, he ran to, on the Office National of the Film. Okay. And, you know, one after I'd But there's

never person who forced to have to putt to point. You know, it's not so, it's so.

But in all that, you know, it's, it's, it's, it's, there's not

a good or a bad or a decision. But I had accompanied for to put a

point, you I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I think, it's, it's,

I've had to do, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's,

It's very, very very, I'm saying, you go to you go to you know, you're doing, you know,

I'm going to you know, I'm in, you know, I mean, there's a convict that I'm accompanied,

I'm in a criminalogue who was I mean, I mean, you know, you're not that you

don't know, you're not, you're saying, there, there's a there, you know, there, if it's for

you're to call to eight-one, you know, you can start by the eight-one, I mean, each

step that you do you say to do say, if you go on my TikTok

that's I'm sure I'm saying I'm saying I'm talking you know, you know, you know,

you're you're going to get a foot, is, is that? Is that you're in

mode? It's sure that I'm doing life, you see, so, I'm doing, but, you know,

I'm doing some, but I, but I, I'm going to do you. Okay. Today, so would

what your report with the women, the same and the solitude?

My rapport with the men, but for me, you know, it's, it's,

it's an relationship, you know, a relation of respect. Yeah. Is that you're in

a piece that's a man, and you have the good to part of or it

when it just men, then. No. No, it's not,

that's, No, at the beginning, at At least, at least, Yeah, well, yeah, well, it's sure that in the first years, yeah, but, you know, it's sure that

someone has been a respect, but even, you do you, you know, he does, I assume that he does

kind of, even with all the humans in general, perhaps, a well, that's all the human,

yeah, you know, I'm, you know, I'm someone that appreciate the people intelligent,

you know, I'm not someone who , you know, I'm not, you know, I like The people

How I'm Like I'm Incipide Incipide It's so You know And then The Fembe

What I mean That's my Theory But I imagine That he's In this world He must Kind of have

A kind of Of a kind of To make The FAM One Cont Another It's a You know

You know You know It's a bit A bit A sentiment Of competition all the time, is that's,

is it correct, to assume that or not to do you? To live in a world like

in the sense that I'm imagine, I'm my proxenette and then he said, oh,

I'm going, is it correct if I'm not if you're not doing, you know, and then

then you're in a sentiment of competition that embark to like, now, I'm,

I'm, they're, versus today, Oh, but I'm not too that's not. Is it

you've been there in the of the time? Well, yeah, it's sure. Well,

today, let's on your report to other women, is it how it has been

to be able to that? Oh, my God, I'm too, I'm too

the same person, that's it's, I'm special, I was special I'm special

I'm special, special, special, there, there's there, there's

there, there's no, but it's normal because you, you,

Or, you know, I mean, you come to a world who has a lot of aggressiveity, so, you know, you know,

you know, you know, you know, you know, it's normal, it's so much superficial. And, you know,

I'm also a other generation, let's, we're talking, the years, you know, I'm going to say,

I'm 45 years, you look, not a day over 30. Yeah, but, you know, like,

it's another generation but, you know, it's, it's kind of that's normal that we're like that's

today, I'm still more able to put my energy there's like I'm like, I'm like, I'm like,

I'm just, I'm not un-saint, Seigneur. But is that you remember from the

moment where is you have changed your perception of the other women?

Because I'm I'm a little not of the day, but of my

evolution by the other women. Just in the beginning, it was a in my memory,

it's really that's a time, you have just a woman that's a place, so it's

absolutely that you're absolutely that that's that's a more when we were more young,

let's on today, I think, I think, I think, just to be a year in age,

in age, I think, I think, that, I've been that of parted plaint,

also, I'm, you know, really, I don't know, there's a, in a case, in a case, in a case, there's a kind of,

I'm a chagess. Well, yeah, and, you know, the, of, the, the,

the, the solitude also, that I, I'm, I'm, infliged, or who

is infliged all, I, that you know, that you say, like, okay,

like, allume, you, you, it's, no, You know, to pass it many times, let's see,

is that you prefer to be accompanied or do you prefer? You prefer to be accompanied of people, yeah, and of real conversations, and of be able person, you know,

be able, physically, it's a thing, you know, I mean, and the, and the, and the,

it's something of so much effemar, you know, I mean, it's, it's not that, the life,

you, the life, it's, to be, to be be happy, and be in health,

and to be living, you know, it's so, when, you know, when you're like,

you know, it's not, you know, you know, to be the love, you want, you want, you,

you want, you want, you want, you want to be to be with the people, you have,

I'm, a question that really long time, yeah, that's, your family, when you've

announced that and that your family has been in the because I know that

your father had been your and you were at your your that's what?

It's had been what the reactions and how they they've they

they've they're there they're there it's sure that it's

extremely difficult it's you that's it's it's it's

it's it's I'm not I didn't announce to my father. I'm not anon because I had, it's bizarre,

well, I'm, I had fear that he'd face the mal to my father. It's a point that I was

brain-washed, and my mother, I've always kept the link with her, and I think that's that, and I mentioned,

and I think that all the who know and they're that's that's what that's the thing that's,

it's the link extremely far, who, that's the link maternal and I, I'm, I'm like

rappled to how I'm, like, it was like reveying a certain moment of a time, you know,

and when I was been in, that I've been batted, you know, on my bed of hospital, and I

did like, you know, for my friend, it was a more difficult, you, I think, to see, I think, to have his little

her, it would be it far too much. It's what, your record of age? He's 5 years. He's 5 years. Yeah. I think that for him, it's difficult. And it's my friend

that he said to my father. Oh, yeah. Yeah, it's sure that I'd say not that, you know, I had quite a very honk, like, when it's... My parents were, together, like, so,

so, so... And when it's sure... And when it's suced, Was it to do you, before the procedures judicial, or it was...

Before the before the before, so, a time that you're like, you're like

out of the middle, yeah, um, but my friend, said to do to my

father, and then, my father, uh, had quite, um, he, he,

he, he, he, he, I, you, I've, I've,

but, my head, it's, that I've had a time, to make to make

to my family, you, it, and, and at the moment, you said that you were that you said, you'd have to be,

so there's a lot of, so you'd have to say, I'd want to kill, also, my, my, this person, so, so, there's, like, there's, I want to be, I want to see, I'm not that, so, so,

the, you know, the menace that have been made, you, it's sure, I had power, you, you, I, you, know, I was persuaded, even when I had

pointed, plain, I, had a prior. Well, yeah. I, I thought, I mean, no, I said, I was, I said,

I was persuaded, that he'd, For, you know, for really to do mal, I said, well, no, you're not going to get to be, you know, it's, it's, it will never function, and then,

I said, after, I've said, like, well, let's see, um, I'd even not. You know, so, that I was,

I'm still, there, still, like, certainly, the power, uh, and, you said,

you said, well, you said, you've been, with the experience, and the course that you've had, the courses that you've

, is, is you can be partaged maybe some of the things for the parents?

It's kind that I'm interested really to know how it's at how old we can't the time?

The most possible. And how we can't we have some we're there's a doubt

on that we're maybe maybe that has maybe she has maybe it's not it's not

not an interdicing because that's it's I'm like you you know

that you can be practical that I mean, I guess, and they're also, so, that's

that's so, you know, so, no, but they're in I'm in, yeah, I'm in,

in the car, in the, in the auto, and I said, you know, Montreal, and I was like, Montreal,

I'm going to to get to that's just, it's not just, it's not, there's just, there's, there's,

there's, there's, they're recruit on TikTok, Snapchat, you, you know, but, you know,

but, yeah, but, yeah, but, but, yeah, I'm a little generation.

My generation, you know, the cellars were coming after, you know, in the time, it's the pay jet, you know, and in the time

it's an more facet, today, well, and, you know, and, you know,

today, you know, when I've made the documentary, the commerce of sex, they're saying,

it's a plack turnante. Montreal is a black turnante. And, it's what?

A word a, I mean, it's really, I'll say, you can you can't command a and you can't you can't get a

lady like a point of pizza if I'm I'm saying I'm I'm saying I want Rebecca

the chefe blonde the eyes noisette with a 38 double-d with

well you can't exactly or if I want a a cup of carer with, you can

have anything I want a shape of the you can have to have all the

I mean, I'll say, the young women in the middle, it's 12, 13 years, you know,

I've been in the middle, and it's really 12, 13 years, and perhaps maybe

11, yeah. You're talking of the female that you Yeah,

yeah, yeah, yeah, that had at this age that. You,

you've had, you've, you've, yeah, you've, this age that

yeah. We've caught the young of a year of a year to when you

know, I'm maybe I'm, maybe I'm 20, 20,

20, and what what's what you did the first that's that's that's

a first of a man, it's sure that I'm that I'm

definitely defunced on the drug so that you're like you're like you're like

you're like I said, but you know, I'm I'm you're

so, the proxionettes are extremely good for manipulate. It's sure that, you

I mean, you know, I mean not to a million, and I don't know if I said I'm like I said in the podcast to parlor, you know,

I'm not made by the place, I'm not in a million, or that I, and I, you know, and I'm

not against the people who I'm going to be able to and I'm going to get to be able to my clacket, and I'm in the world like

so, I'm not a little bit easy, you, you know, so it's, so it's, so it's,

so, exactly. It's for that I think when I think when I when I do when I'm

to deconstrate the prejudice that can't just arrive to get to get to exactly. Exactly.

It's not because you come from a million that you you're you're

you're you're a, you're a family, it's a good, it's sure it

doesn't to get what you're what you can't do you can't what I'm

you're so you I think my my mom the fact that she has always guard the link with me, I think it's the

major thing that's the thing she because if she if my mother had cut the

fill the field conductor it's sure that I would have not could survive so

she was that you reparted right that you were like you I'm I'm

I'm I'm I'm turned some I'm with my man

when when I when I I think of that I think I'm trying to I'm doing my God

I'm doing I'm doing to have done my mother you know profoundly but it's not your fault

no but you know the the anxiety I think you did you do it have to be

to be my mom it's always it's been it's to have made to have done

I've I've had zero conscience of what I'm but but the

mal profound that I he has made, but I always my

mother, always. I think that's that's to keep I'm saying I'm

saying I'm I'm I'm not, I'm, but I think to guard this link

that with her wife, to not say, you know, not to be

not fair that. Um, to be so, to always to stay there,

I know, I know, I know, I know, I'm, to be, judge, you know,

to, you know, I know, I know, I said, you know, to find to hear

this, because figure one, it's really representative, you know, to the reality,

figureus one. You knowem said, yes, also, um, to Jeanvie Albert,

you know, that also, it's, in fact, the, the number of clients, you,

repetitive, per day, you know, You know what's, you know what's, you know what's, it's very, I think, I feel like the co-optionette, more, but the co-te, you know, client, it's very represent. You know, when I've heard it, you know,

it's pretty time to listen, like, but, hey, my God, I'd say, I'm sorry, I'm mad to say that, but when you listen, at four-patt, the sound, that me made, it's, you know, it's, you know, it's, you know,

it's, it's a sort of, like, it's a sounder that it's a sounder that made, it's a story, it's a, it's a fiction, Or is there a documentary? No, it's a... In fact, you know, Genevieve,

you know, she, she, she, she, she, she's been at my inquiry preliminor. You know, I think she'll have encountered

plenty of survivors, and it's inspired of the reality of surviving, and the milieu.

Okay, it's a fiction. Yeah. Yeah, that's sure. Um, um, um,

so, you, what, to, to, to, to, to explain,

it's what, to, to, to, But as... You know, you know, you know, you know, you're saying, you know, but I didn't...

No, but I'm... I didn't know, it was what, it was a proxenist? Well, I imagine, what I mean, is that you know,

it's not... You know, no, no. But... Yeah, but... You know, it's... You know, it's a vibe with someone, you...

You're just... But a proxonet, you know, no, I... Yeah, okay. I think there... Like, the... ...

I was just to be in the Fisne, who said the street, I know that, I know that, all the variants

of what it was in 2000, 2009, 2009, I know, I know that, I know, that,

do you know, to do, do you know, I'm really, I'm really, I'm a, you know, we're probably

maybe, maybe, we're probably maybe, maybe, my car, my friend, my daughter,

she, she, she, she, she'll, she, she, she, she, she,

I mean, I was named, and I was going to have been a lot of time, and I'm having to be there, you know, there's a lot, you know, they're going to be in their house, and you'll revert no, ma'amans. But, like, but I'm a little dramatic. But, so, I'm, but I'm,

but I'm, I'm, but is, you the good to do, if you're not the good thing? At least, look, it's at the good thing. So, you know, it's the good thing. Is it a good thing? Is it a is the age that, it's the mayor? It's true to know, because... It's tough, because,

my lady was like, after that she, she, they're not traumatized. No, no, but it's normal because, you know, let's we say, let's talk more of pedophilia, you know, it's, you know, it's not, but it's not, it's fair, it's fair, whatever, yeah, yeah, yeah, but, you know, I mean, you, it's sure that, I'm, the age of four years,

you know, I'm in a certain, to, it's not, no, but, you know, I'm, you know, I'm, you know, I'm, you know, I'm, you know, I'm, you know, I'm, you know, there are there's a young

that's not a time, you know, it's not normal to be interested by a car of four

of four in a car to be a person to a car of one of 12 and 12 13

13 and 14 17 and it's not normal that's not I'll say that's not it's not

normal because the proxionate he there's there's a violence conjugated

it's the violence economic it's the violence sexual it's It's all the violence. So, he's

he's going to go to get to and he's going to be manipulated. But the moody client, he will because in Noemi

he says, yeah, Noemi, she has 15 years. She has 15 years. So in the phone,

let's say, for talking for probably proxenette, right? Yeah, you say, you said, you know,

you've been doing, you, because I'm to ask, so I'm wondering, where it's would be

like, I'm able to understand, to get the to be able to get to be able to get to get to be

normal, because I'm yeah, I'm also I'm also, I'm the proxonetism, me, the

old age 90 coming of the campaign, you know, you know, it's normal in the years 90,

and today, we're always for that I've decided to be in talking to the radio social,

I think it's important to say, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's,

it's, it's, it's, it's just, I was there, well, yeah, well,

it's not just, you know, it's not just, and the people still again, yeah, it's just,

well, yeah, it's there's well, there's a there's a lot, there's a don't know,

the fact, you know, the lady, you can, you can, do the, massage erotic, in a club

of dancers, you know, the escort, you can, you can, you can be that, you can,

you can, it's, in the , to afford to have some there's some that we're not

not even that we're that we're in fact, in fact, in fact, it's called a to say,

it's a that's a I think it important, it's a point, it has a 18

loggment, and that's not an embergement of urgency, it's, in fact, it's

a, a longevity of one to two years. Wow. It's It's a resource

of abergement. It's a second step. So there are three and a three and a three and three,

the woman can come with these children. So, yeah. So,

it's, how you can have access to that? It's, you, a point? It's not

to be a complaint? That's not to be a complaint? It's has been there

have been of the prostition. Wow. So it's it's a toy for

it. A A, you? For her. Very good. Very interesting. So, it's, you know, 3.5, 4.5. So, it's 1-1-2-2-year.

Then, in the front, there are these intervenants who are there 24-hour-s-to-24. And it can't even be replaced in apartment also. So, it's interesting. You know, when you're having, you know, you're like, ah, it's not bad. Well, it's so. So it's not the abergement of urges. that you rest there two two weeks.

Wow. It's really a knee for to depose. That's that I, I thought that important because,

you know, when it's not exist wasn't in a monotan no, I'm like, ah, where's it

that's what I know, yeah, clearly. Okay, that's a project related to dementment

of the people can't do you know. Yeah, yeah, I've collaborated at the writing,

well, it's not, you, it's not a collaboration of three year, I mean, I've

collaborated with Maria Moranii, in the In the whole, the operation of Scorpion, it's the most great, deemate,

I'm sorry with this word, demantlement, that's the prostitution juvenile in Quebec. With,

yeah, I'm, I'm doing, I'm partiped at the literature, but in the fact,

that's a thing, it's what it says, in the thing, but in the thing,

it's, it's, but, it's, it's, it's, you know, the operation

Scorpion, all, you know, They're all the proxswainette, the person implicated, all that's a good brick. And it's for the juvenile,

it's the children. Yeah, prostitution juveniles. Here, at Quebec. It's at Quebec. So, so,

it's, it's so. Yeah, we think, sometimes, we know, we know, a question, a

operation, Scorpion 2, is that could? No, it would be not, it's not,

but, you know, but there, so, but, there, I'm not, I'm not,

specialist, inquiteer in exploitation sexual like, I'd would have there,

I think, you know, the co-steatism has a lot, too, very, much,

I'm going to versus these years, but it would be, like I'm, like, I'm not,

you know, I'm not, you know, but, it's so, but, I, I've participated

at the writing to the book, the operation that, so, so,

that's that's that they've made a people, they've made,

they've , they've done, the RETTAL The Rhet At the Barwet

Yeah I'm I'm going to go to go so I'm so I'm so I'm let's see

finish the after show but before to close it I wanted I wanted

to know is that what what is what we can you want to you

want to you want to you be in fact me want

that that I should be that I that I I'm enduous

in a work completely different and that I should be really, that I'm that's different,

completely different. You see, you're going to that's all the best of the health, the health,

that's the idea of what you wanted to do? Not, not yet. Not. Not.

Not. Because, you know, I'm all the time, like, like, let's say,

Mary Michelle, let's say, it's sure I'd not get not at the university, but,

you know, I'm so I'm so I'm like a back in criminal. But no.

You're going to do you don't? No. No. And the other.

I want to I mean, that's sense good, I feel that sense the flowers.

No, no, but, you'd be not flowery, but, you know,

I want, I want, I want to be different, you, I want to be

new, I want to be medical skin care I want to I want to be it's true I'm too calm I'm not

I'm not sure I'm not sure I'm not sure I'm sure that I'm sure I'm sure that you're you're getting

a step at a oh yeah you're really you're really you go you go and that's

just bravo to do it and again again to all the every year that you

that you have again even It's wow. Bravo. You're really a woman inspirant.

You're the fun to listen to talk. I'm going to hear of your really. Thank you. Thank you.

We'll make all the resources in the description of this video that we have abouted

today. Is that you want the social for you to see? Or you

you're really in mode to see me more more you're

you you can you can be you can you can you see in your

future project to see where the way. But you can't me see it,

it's a my pleasure. I post these little time time but I'm

doing I'm going to see the video to make. Is that you have a word

to say to women who are out of this that's a bit

of a bit more to be to bring to care

of and to not hesitate to to bring parole,

if they want to talk about and to go to get to help, because it's

totally important, because that's all, it's impossible to get to

get to the head of the water. Thank Mary Michelle. Of

nothing. Thank you.