Sexe Oral - Sony Carpentier: Masculinité toxique, solitude des hommes et patriarcat

Episode Date: June 11, 2026

Cette semaine sur le podcast, Lysandre et Joanie reçoivent Sony Carpentier, doctorant en sociologie à l’UQAM et cofondateur du collectif Masculinités Plurielles, pour une conversation aussi fascinante que nécessaire sur la masculinité, le féminisme, les privilèges, les relations et les défis que vivent les hommes dans notre société. Sans filtre, Sony explique comment les garçons apprennent ce que signifie « être un homme », pourquoi certaines normes masculines persistent encore aujourd’hui et comment elles influencent les relations, la santé mentale, l’amitié, l’amour et même la façon dont les hommes parlent de leurs émotions. Ensemble, ils abordent des sujets aussi variés que la masculinité toxique, les privilèges masculins, les réseaux sociaux, les mouvements masculinistes, la solitude des hommes, la pression de performer, la vulnérabilité, l’identité, les stéréotypes de genre et l’importance de développer sa curiosité plutôt que de toujours vouloir avoir raison. Sony partage également ses recherches sur les jeunes hommes, les relations amoureuses, le rôle du pourvoyeur, les algorithmes, les communautés en ligne et la manière dont notre société façonne encore aujourd’hui les attentes envers les hommes et les femmes. On parle aussi de féminisme, de dating, de confiance en soi, de communication, de santé mentale, d’égalité, de remise en question, de privilèges, d’émotions et de tous ces comportements qu’on reproduit parfois sans même s’en rendre compte. Un épisode qui invite à réfléchir, à nuancer et à mieux se comprendre collectivement. Le podcast est présenté par OxioUtilise le code promo SEXEORAL pour obtenir 1 mois gratuit sur https://bit.ly/oxio-sexeoralLe podcast est présenté par Éros et CompagnieUtilise le code promo SEXEORAL pour 15% de rabais sur [Lien à venir!]Réserve ta soirée entre amis au SHAKER de ton choix dès maintenant sur https://bit.ly/SexeOral-Shaker🔔 Abonne-toi pour ne pas manquer les prochains épisodesPour suivre Lysandre Nadeau :https://www.instagram.com/lysandrenadeau/Pour suivre Joanie Grenier :https://www.instagram.com/joaniegrenier69/Pour suivre Sony Carpentier :https://www.instagram.com/sonycarp/Pour écouter sur YouTube :https://www.youtube.com/@sxoralpodcastPour devenir partenaire du balado :[e-mail] travailler avec l’équipe du balado :[e-mail] Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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so Rupert Ptanti, students at doctorate in sociology at UCAM co-director of collective masculine

pluralille Hello, thank you there, thank you to be there really young to be like a

future doctor like... Well, there's there's more than I, there, there's even

that I'm not, I'm in a medium I'd say, I'm a in a proffer,

it's at probably, it's a I think. And then it's that's what you say you're like a five,

six years, that's a question. It's always the question. Yeah, because there's there's not,

now we're now we're now we're not going to the school, so there's just the project of research,

the thesis, and that's, and there are that they're who are more more than working, I think,

there's more more than for a five, six years, I think, you you're in a project of

research by a part of the masculinity, that's that. Exactly. In the fact,

I've made my matrice on socialities, particularly on the masculinity, particularly on the masculinity, the homosexuality, in fact,

the masculinity with the homosexuality and queer. And for the doctor, I, I continue, because for the real,

when I've tried to find that, the masculinity of a point of view feminist, it's so important for me, it's so

fascinating that it's like, it's my subject of life, then, and to the doctorate, I'm

going to get the category of homosexuals, and then I'm interested to the ados, in the fact,

my question of the , that's really because it But for the instance, it's how today the young girls learn how to be

masculine, and how it's maintained in their everyday. Because it's it's, it's, it's, it's, it's maintained, there's some people, there's things that, you know, to be masculine, there

there's contexts. So I'm interested to them, there's algorithms, there's there, there's there, but, there also, the content, it's

in the life of every day, you know, some, the comments, of, some, today, today, it's what,

the experience? It's how we're learn what's to be a human today. What's the

what's the what's the question? It's a good question. Because I'm working on television.

I've done my baccala in television at the Ucams. I adore this milieu the media so I've

evolved more there's a time. And I'm a moment I'm curious to go ahead to be able to

be challenged intellectually intellectually so much. So I'm to start in sociology and at

the beginning that's not the I'm the journalism I'm to work on the media, just,

and I'm going to manage, I'm in a course of feminism, and the professor that I'm very much

like I'm a lot of and she said, I think it would be, I think it's that you're to try to

to work on the lectures, and when I've read, Raywin Connell, is an socialologist Australian,

who is like open, the chant of the masculinity in the 90, and a bit before,

my brain my mind, my mind, my mind, my mind, it was, like, never,

we had made to the experience, the masculinity of this manner that, you know,

the violence than the responsibility and you're like like, we're like, we're not about to

that in fact. You know, we're in a whole important in a project in a project

where we want to that we're that's, we're not to be not be against,

we, and it's very that for them to be important to you know, I'm

I'm, I'm sure. But, yeah, and we're we're still, with just

we're We've studied the dominion, so the persons who are disadvantaged in the system, in a system patriarchal, it's the women, like, and we know, the issues feminists are largely documented that. And then the years of the 90th, what's the world, is it like a sort of reverement where we're saying, okay, but what if we'd if we'd study the dominant? What if we'd study those who are dominant in the society, and we'd

questioned, why they'd they're less dominant? So, it's a done these studies super interesting on the women, system patriarchal, but it's also these studies on the people blanche, in a system racial, in a system racist. It's like it's like

a kind of a kind of different to get like, we're doing we're doing the people who are people who are doing the violence of these systems but we're also to study the people

that perpetuate this violence that, is it intentional, in which context they can't they can't, how they're learning to find, so, so it's all these questions

that, in fact, I'm just excited because it's super interesting, you know, Because I like how you're passionate by this subject that,

even there's a five years, it's been to do that, it's a year? Yeah, it's like six years. Six years.

And then you're still the eyes on the eyes when you're about. Because it's infinite, in fact.

And, and it's that that's absolutely fascinating, is that, if I say, ah,

the science is concentrated on the um, yes, we know, we know that the

health of the health, by example, is not documented in science, we, we don't have

not to work on these things that. So, we'll call it andro-centry. So we'll

say that the science is concentrated on the same. But the affair is that the science is concentrated on

as they were like they were neutral, like they were not socialized. And then to see the people are

like they're like, they're also. They're part of the system. And so it has been

so it's so it has been so we're talking to by example, the solitude masculine.

big subject, it's on city. There's some there's a bit and they're doing these people are, the men, they're being able to be old men, platt,

but when we study that of a point of view des masculinity, of a point of view feminist, it's like, wait, what's what, in their masculinity,

in their apprenticeship, to what, they're doing, they're doing the same, in fact, what's,

it's a system that they're in fact, they, they're not to have, they're not, they're not,

they're not, they're, we're doing, they're trying to to get to get to, so that's, the problem,

the way feminist, in fact. To who you address when you,

say, let's on the people who are, is that, is the are the people, or the

women? Is that the men? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah? It's

plus the family. Ah, well, it's not that. Yeah. Because it's,

we're, they can't their mechanism, we're, we're trying to have a It's not Not all the guys

who don't Not even if you're not Not sure I'm not super Popularer That's not That's not so the point But yeah

But yeah But yeah But yeah I think she's An interest Damp Because she She knows

She knows More rapidly What she Because she Cottoa of They're in They're in They're concerned

They're concerned They're They're conscious They're They're They're They're They're

They're They're They're And so And so And so, And so, That's the gains of

these issues since it's it's a lot that's the time that's like the people are you know, the society has to be able to

do you know, it's what, it's not a rapport these roles, it's not true that we're able to to rest to and that

it's just the it's just a time, it's, it's a lot of that's the and then we're there's a guy also, there,

there's a role to be a little poorvoyer, it's not a part to be the person in control, you and the people,

the women, that, and they're all these years, we're doing, they're doing they're in a fair to

think they're in they're doing, they're more they're doing the job, they know, they're they're saying, the people,

the people are, like, huh, you're at trying to say, we're doing to say, we're at , and we're we're also,

it's not, it's not just the women, that's, it's not just the women have been more of an tool,

and I think that, because, because, because, because, due, we've longed they have more

conscience of the gang to do you have to do. After that, there's a guy kind of

that's there's depending on also of what I'm when I'm when I'm because it's

that's the masculinity that yes, it's like yes, it's to impose to

the other we're super conscious of that but it's also a so when I

know, when I'm that's very, that's true that I'm that I'm that's

hard or I'm so it's a part of the excuse me Let's say. Let's take the profile

typical of a man it would be on your on your on your we'd define how

and there how many? It's really hard to do it. Well, in fact, there's a concept

that I think I'm really interesting and you know it talked to she was a really

working on the subject of the masculinity in Australia and she she's arrived

with an idea and she'll have created a a typology that's like a pyramid. And

there's, without you're in, at the top of the pyramid, there's a concept that's called the masculinity egemonic. It's a grand mo, but in the

foot it's just for saying that there's just to say that there's a masculinity that's attended or that's important. In the society.

Yeah, in the society, but even more micro than that, she has said that it's not just a great image social, it's

in each place, in each context, with each person that you cross, there's an attance different. And that,

it's a permit really to think of masculinity differently. A example of that. See, I just I mean to

Newtimore New York, hello to the people of the bit of the year, I'm very,

I'm quite, I'm doing, I'm in many, you know, in many, that's, a country,

to be a hockey, by example, it was, that's, it was, it was, it's like,

it's, it was, it was, it's, at the university, I'm in a department to sociology at UCAM,

if I'm, if I'm a guy, who is a who is agriculturate, and I'm and I'm and I'm in

the department of social Alucam. Is he dominant? Is it he's he the power?

No. No. Why? Because he he knows the subject of the people are you

talk about the time. The time the fact, it's maybe that he does it make a lecture,

let's talk let's make sure, let's the majority of the hockey and and the agriculture, he risks

to be in a position less advantageous. Agri-cultor, yes, the base of all. Yeah,

in fact, and why, it's not too sure the person in-to- in-the- example,

we see that the context is different, and the the attantes of masculinity are different. But that's

five-million, in a day, a man will traverse a lot of and in every

there's there's different in my memory of my memory of Mager's, I've been

many of some interesting, and a guy who had who had renovated his chal

chalet, and he wasn't very good in renovation, but, he was doing it and he was he was in a quenkaerie,

he's done the right just to a single question. Because that I was, why why the commie is legit paid for to

respond to to say, he's like, no, because he will understand that I'm not to know,

to find, what we're in the example that, is that the guy, he's, he can't

the time in the Kinkairi to be a real guy, it's all to know to do some

the construction, you know, and then he respond not these attents, so, so, he changes his behavior, for having not like idiot, you know, in the quincarry, the attend to a real man, is to all over its construction,

but after that, if you go to gym, it's maybe to leave full of the fond. Then, then you're going to be at university, it's to be able to be long time.

So, what we see, is that, it's true, you, and what, and what we see, that, in the fun, the masculinity, is an response to the response,

the concept of masculinity hegemonic, he part of that, the question that we can pose it's in the context of the gym is what the

masculinity is the masculinity that's not a manned to get to get your weight you're not quite to get to

get to get in I'm not as a gym and you're just like a bar and shinsal it's not whatever

but okay is there also the context of these men like is that is generally

that's what they're generally that try to try to to play to play to the

attance of the society. There are not who are just like, hey, I'm like like that,

and I'm assume, or it's to be more more popular? Yeah, but, you know, there's different

types of reactions to that, like, in my memory, there are three types that I like,

there are the guys who respond to the majority of the majority of the space that

they're not conscious, so, that, it's because you've talked to that in the episode

that I heard this morning, and I me I'm assuming to a little

I'm a I'm trying to I'm in the question. Because that I'm I think I'm my conjoin

who's a man brown ethereau it's a kind of muskley a gross voice, impose the

authority, very confident very, you know, he, really, he doesn't question not

because you it's never that he see, he can't, he's, he is in the same

there, there, there, I'm wondering, and In fact, I'd be curious to to know what you think.

If it's more easy for these guys, to have access to their femininity because their masculinity is really not

remised in cause. They have more easily access to be vulnerable, their emotions, to permit these things,

because there there's person who, like, you know, because they have been more masculine,

so they can't, because I think, let's, let's, let's, let's,

let's, we're, we're, we, we're, we, we're, But, let's

Let's these men, these men, who are okay, in the stereotypes

more pretty little less just like, it's often there that I feel like you because they

have more because they're more something to what's the thing? What's the thing? It's an excellent lecture

sociological of a thing that you can do because it's very, the affair is like

it's like it's like it's like you, and more you're coche, more you're accumul

the privileges, the more you can be able to navigate in different places to be able to the same, you know,

we're in the people who are in a society that's in a society that's a racial, patriarchal. So, necessarily if you're an

man, you're in form, you're young, you're to have the capital cultural, so you have some kind of to discuss with

all the world, well, it's sure that you pass a little in all the environment, because you respond to the

majority of all the norm, you know, I'm talking, you know, I'm talking, there's you'd say, there's also

the norm social social more grand than what's it's been, you know, it's like to be in shape, it's to be black, it's, so, the fact, the more you accumulate

these things like, the way, you traverse the place, the year, you know, and the affair, is what we see,

that's the guy, there, often, they develop not a conscience of their masculinity or a conscience of a chance, because they don't be there,

they're just being just, they're just, they're putting their questions in the card of my maitrice, you know,

I, I, I, There's person who remand in cause of masculinity never. After that, if I posed the question, to say,

people are, like you say, more pretty, or who are not a car necessarily standard, or who, um,

who are, who are other things that are other things that are the other society, well, they'd say,

ah, well, it's, I'm sure, that I'm concerned, that I'm conscious that, you know,

I'm a homosexual, it, it's, I'm not, to, I'm, I'm, I'm,

when I'm I'd know of the guy that I know that I know that I know that there's

like a non-of-mast that I'm not quite, inconsiaminging I base my voice. It's a naiso

like, but I'm modify my behavior, not for necessarily to be dominion, but more

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that's the question will be different by the guy. So I've found three the type of

level of conscience. It's really just in my memory, it's not more large these types

like the people, but the guys who respond to those nonms who are

not concerned of their masculinity, the guys who respond not

not always on the norm, but they have the capacity to to adaptate. So, we can think those women homosexual, for example. We've been

very about being being straight passing, so, that's a way that's a way, you're gay, there's advantage in this society, the gay

are rarely associated to be masculine, but if you're straight passing or you're capable to change your comportment for having to have

more straight in these years, well, you're the guys are the guys who are capable to adaptate, and the guys

people are not to be able to be able to adaptate. And they're they're who who are who's who's they're going to

They're in They're going to They're also? Or is the type 1? I'm not Interested Malorism

I don't know Those people are more more than it to be able to Because yeah, it's true there can

have a form to want to to be able to help to say that you're so you're in a

place you you know you know you're not to respond not to so you're like you

like you like you go to do do you will want to and it's

it's a way that's it's a lot of it's like I'm I'm in I'm not

I'm quite quite that's it's just maybe because it's a terrain glissant

and it's always a thing that's it's a so so, so it's so

so much that makes that make that I know that my conscience are on the

often that I think it more easy to have to be in all thanks to the

because it's the same guy everywhere there's a there's a insecurity

to be a it's more more comfortable but it's like it's sure that there's like it's sure that it's

I'd like that you'd be deluge a old because it's too long to your reality

but I think it interesting that maybe it's not the majority of the people

not the specific cause that so why why that a man who would have a

need to have a whole time to would have to be in the comfort, that's the countryarca. But it's not, it's a manned, the privilege, but the affair, it's been they're having to be able to adapt and you're

after if you're trying to do you're trying, and if you're used to adapt and you're to it, then, it's to be paid more socially in the conversation, it's to be to feel more valorized, it's to be dominant in an space,

you know, so you know, you know, and then sometimes the guys do they do think they're, they're doing,

and even more sometimes it's not for violent the other, even if sometimes it's a response violent, like you said,

sometimes, to be able to get to their masculinity, it's a man, that's that's not physical or sexual

or other, but, sometimes it's not time for violented the other, it's not a voluntary to find

mal, it's a it's a a way, it's a way, it's a because when you

respond to when you receive more to get a thing, is that the experience, it's violent for

all the world. It's violent for the women, so we're super conscious, but it's violent for the

men and them for them over them over them. It's not develop some because it's

just a humaninin and that's the humanis and you're the violence physical also there's

a lot my mottries it's on mousous sexual and queer, but they receive many people, there are people who are talking about

of violence physical, of harassment, because he responded not on the norm. Lankcete, you know,

to be all the time jammed, that you can't like, like, project, partage your emotions,

how you view, to keep that to get that to get to the anxiety and and the stress, a mal-a-

a-hurt, yeah, and not only that, and, more, we, we don't know,

not we don't not to have an intelligence emotional necessarily you know, we're

not, you know, we're encouraging a good, the job social for the young female,

we're to discuss, all that, well, the men, we're more there's there,

there's, there, there's, there's, there, there's, it's, and it's

super interesting, I've had been an study, that I've been to I'm not, I'm

that the young girls, just at the pre-adolescence, if the family is full

in, there, there's not of things genre, and the emotions, and we're all the young

guysons are all the way but they're in a pre-adolescence, the young girls, in majority, they're going to

get their capacity to their capacity to their emotions. Because the the family is the

circle the most important for them, it's the people, it's the people, and it's there also

that the people are that the young guys, so what we see, it's that

young girls, who, just at 11, 12, 13 years, we're encouraged to

to talk about their emotions, and they're able to their ability to get to be during the

adolescence. And it's there also we're more more of problems social, of distress

psychological, because it's about how we're in sense, you know, it's

able to be able to be able to be a society finally by create some

on the people who can't so that they're not that's the

and that it's It's created the violence, it creates a lot of things. We've floured the subject

until to the masculinity toxic. Yeah. And then you've expressed that for you know,

it was a little, it's a idea not a cause, might be able to elaborate that's like

Yeah, it's like my more hot take, yeah, but the first thing

I think that I think you know on the masculinity toxic, is the positive that

has had that has that has been able to visibilized of the violence that exists that's been

until long time that's invisible like it's these violence on the masculinity of the violence masculine, the femininiscite

we're in the extreme of this violence that, but it exists so I think that the maskunity toxic

is a term that has made to make in the word and there a word that.

It's a question not for two reasons for the reasons. First, for the women,

it's not to reflect to think it, its own domination. And it's very stigmatizing. It's like if all, all the masculinity were toxic,

while it's not a part of part. We talk, when we we're not about the masculinity, we're not doing the masculinity, we're talking,

because as it's sometimes it's so even one one one will have different masculinity. So, so,

we're talking to one single masculinity that would be toxic, it can be complex, and also,

it's not to have a regard on so far. In the the studies that I've did,

when I I was talking to masculinity toxic with the other. In fact, they were, I mean, I mean, I mean,

I mean, I mean, the term directly in the interview. And it's always a violence

extreme that's not they're not them, it's never them, who were that's toxic. It's like,

the gross guys with the pickups or the guys who are the guys who get to get and they,

it never, it would that, it would to have a concept that my second argument,

in fact, is that, that's, that's not necessarily the project feminist, because he

it's not to visibilize the domination banal of the masculinity. Because, yes, the violence of the masculinity

is, it's these crimes sexual, we know that there's, there's some people, there's

and the system patriarchal they're made to do that masculinity, and it's also in the banal, it's also

to control the conversation because we're in control, it's also to not feel these

emotions, it's also, it's all these things that are in the and when we talk to masculinity

toxic, it's not that we're never the impression that's a question of it's always something more big

and it's always something of great, you know, I'm curious because we're talking, let's let's say, let's talk,

we're saying, well, no, it's not, I'm not, I'm not, you're not, you're not there, we're all,

we're all, we're all, there, is it all, is it probably not be viewed to the same that's a

masculinity toxicic internalized? The toxicity it's internalized because, let's when I

when I know when I use this term that I'm not not even though I'm not that all the particular, let's say,

let's say, let's say, of a specific masculinity that let's say is, is is that, how you

how you know how you approach these men, to say, it's, it's, it's,

there's, there's, there's, there's, there's, miso a little, you know? Yeah, effectively. Well, you know,

I use more the term of domination or misogynies because it's more dynamic, because the masculinity toxic, it's like, yes, a comportment can be judged toxic in

a space, but not in the other the same behavior. Because, as we said, it's the change, the context, so

I think, just that the masculinity toxic, it can't be to be able to be able to understand the

kind of the personality, I, I have an issue with that term that, because it's what?

Because, I'm, it's the only affair, is that what, we're sort of positive or we're toxic, and we're going to pass to one to the other, well, it's, it's,

it's, a man will change in a same day, you know, so it's, it would be, it's better, to identify more

a comport, so that's, so that's, so that's a thing, to do you know, to go, to go,

that's, it's really that I'm really , I'm not conscious, like, we're not not really sure, I'm not sure,

I'm talking, I'm talking, I'm talking, I'm, gimonic, it's a, it's quite quite, I think it's quite the masculinity

gimonic, is what the masculinity attended here? And is that, to respond to the norm, is you create a violence? You know,

I think we're a reflection sociologic more interesting around to the subject that. After that, I'm really conscious. And I, I don't

use the term of masculinity toxic, because it's a vocabulary, it takes to bring the tools to to talk to I'm not there

to say, I'm not there to say, it's not the point. But, you know, when you're talking to internalize, I think that's a good

way to look. The systems in which we live, we're in these internalize, and are they're very invisible. And, you know,

like I said, the, the women have really, they're talking about these attempts of genre, that even the

women, they know, they know, they're saying, you know, there's a lot of the boys or the things

like that, it's full conucus, because there's a conscience really really great, and I'm, I'm,

I'd be content, like, like, oh, well, in the phone, I mean, I'm also, I'm a misogyny internalized, you know, I'd be content. We're, we're telling, oh, no, I'm, I'm not toxic. Yeah. It's like, it's, it's too, a word intense, and, like, that, like, that clearly, the guys, they find just to understand,

, say, maybe someone, a woman, did a reportage, and that parle of that, he would even not listen, because he's not, He'd say, well, I'm not, okay. In fact, it's more a concept that I've I feel, I feel like,

you know, we're talking about of the evolution of the woman, that is more conscious, but there's something to counterintuitive

for the men to evolve or to be to start of a pattern because the masculinity is so to be sure of so,

and to be confident, and it's so can't to learn or to even assume that you have these

billet or how you're how they how they get to how they're it's not the system that's

that's the patriarchal is a very too very much because everything that all that

that's that we're that we're that's partially of the part of the part of the

part of the first of why you want to you would to be under because as

we're we know we're being a a person to be a plan of a

privilege so why why you would you would be you run

And then also to not respond to to know how to receive a certain violence? So why you accept would be to not receive

a certain form of violence? And what you say, what you do you know, on the fact to want to in masculine

pluraly, the collective that I co-directed there, there's a phrase that I read in the text, that I think,

I'm really, I'm going to talk, if we're saying, if we're saying, the curiosity is our more beautiful

resistance. And what I say, it's that, it's that it will bring these

men who are curious. Because the affair is the experience of the masculinity, it's also

to make ridiculize when we're because you're not in control. And to say, I don't know, it's super

vulnerabilizing in the fact, it's like to say, hey, I'm not the

I'm not the question, I'm not, I'm not, for all people, it's vulnerable

for all people, but in the experience of the masculinity, it's, that means

that you're not not dominant, to say, so it's so it's in fact in a sort that the men develop

more of curiosity. They're going to pose more to question of relance in the date, for example, where they're more to get more

to get to do things, or they're going to say, ah, it's the affairs of the field. So, and it's like, I'm going to devalorizing the

subject at the way, you're saying, oh, yeah, you're not, you know, I'm not, you know,

can't be, that's just the generally, to say, to say, at the way, to say, oh,

but, for the , I know, I'm not, I don't know, I don't, I think I don't know the makeupage, how it's a thing. They're going to say, ah, it's an affair of these things, and then, and it's like, well, the person... Yeah, it's a past, because there, it's like... Well, yeah, it's an affair of fee, it's not supposed to be concerned. It's like,

it's like, it's not masculine, or... And why, you can't just say, ah, well, in fact, I don't know, in fact, I don't know, or, like, the person who is that you talk, is important for you? Why, you feel you just to say, eh, well, I'm just saying, eh, well, I'm not, I'm I don't understand what you I'm talking, but it looks at

it looks at you know, I'm but to say, I don't, it's not it's not masculine. It's a few, how to, you know, to assume when you know something, and nom them it. We'd say that it would be the base

for how to sign it after on other other things. Yeah. And then he's with the

unconfort to not know. Wow. Because it's the decision to not respond to

gender to make sure to do that to be in this role that, to do it's a thing with.

But you know what? It's has been it's a years and that the women are

uncomfortable because the role that they're not that's like it's like we're

that we're like we don't get in this incofort that, to say I'm not,

or to not to respond to to norm, or to refuse to respond to norm, that we

will be used to have to be in course, we're in a question of the person who's private preferable, who is

auction. Here, Liz, I just to say, before, I don't know if you did that, but when

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on the violence made on women. And there were these men who had made parole by their

violence or their mother, of their mother, and there there was a old age,

that I would have to receive a podcast that, that he said, there's a day,

where is I'm when I'm seeing a time, the family to my family, I think it's her,

whatever. After that, every time that I'm talking, that's a work, a meeting,

whatever, and that's there were some and there's some of people, I'm still, like,

protested, and it and it's, it's done the kind of role of the man, the justier,

like, bar, he, all the time. so he had never had ever been the role but he has

lived with that all the rest of of his life and I'm like, wow, like, like,

it's, at a man of this age that would have been 60 years I think, so it's,

so that's, so, so, because even my time, every time, every time, every time,

I'm like, why, you're like, I'm, it's, it's, it's the guys,

I'm, why, why, why you you're, why you're, why you're, why you

don't, Boys, clearly there are these discos or some of the guys say that they're not saying,

so that's it's not, so it's not to be a part of to say when you get to say or something

is cancelable? There was something that you've got out of the episode that I've

heard of you're that you probably that inevitably an discussion between boys that's

trying to do deconstruing that it's finally by turn it.

In fact, you'll express, if you're please. Yes, but what you talk,

it's Francis Dupieri who's in his last book, I think it's a lot of in the other

in the time. In other, in the same, the other I think, I'm not exactly the title,

and what I'm what he talks, is that, in these spaces of men who tend to want to be feminist

in a milieu non-mix, so just between women, sometimes it will finish

by derivé and to be a bit masculine, or to start a little, because the reflexes

revienn, you know. I think that's that, in fact, the experience of an man who wants to become more than a feminist or reflect to say, it's, you know, to rest in the humility, in fact. Never, you can say, I'm a man feminist, forever,

I've got to be at who it's coached, I'm rended, because that in this society, that, try to get to to get in the role that you had before, and if you

become too comfortable, we'll revere to the question to ask, So, yeah, I think that's what we're trying to say that you're not trying to say that you're not trying to say that you're trying to say that. I think it's the time that the men bring more of place,

all while making attention to the place we're trying. But, but, yeah, I think that's the way because, you know, there's a difference. I'm curious to be curious to an party with you. You don't consider not feminist. Ah, yeah. It's...

I'm a little changed that's Miriam of Kakuna who is my place to work who is a who works for

that the people are in there's a place in which I've with who I've changed rapidly. The affair

is that just the fact of the fact of to be to define as a fact that is you

contradictory because in this system the position of the position of them the position social

of an person a person is a position that's dominant? Is it can

be able to see a mean it's feminist and the fact thing is that there's there's not

just one I think there's people who are very open to want to have the women who are

that they are more down, who will have the rest in a non-mix and it's

really correct also so it's like touchy but in in the time

when I know when I have changed with with Miriam it's

like no no but it's because if you if you if you're if

de valorise the project. It's like you say, ah, well, the feminist

is just an affair of a few extreme. Tandiske, you know, no, I'm,

I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, this project that is for the world, the project that is for

the project that is true in the fact that in the space public, it's it's not

more more than just for other of people, because of a woman, it's a

guy, okay, but then, wait, can't be a few can't be feminist,

it, it's What I mean say what? What I think that's what you demonstrate a new

you deconstructue and reconstructry because you rest curious and over. And at a moment a moment to say to say

that's the affair the thing that's the thing that's a thing that you're a gang of the feminist

that's a man you can't be a clearly, it's not because you're not because you don't know

because you don't know to make to make in a position that, well, for my

part, a man, a man who a man that than a man who says that's because I think it's important

to always to get to get to get to be, but to be to be in the definition of a term.

It's like the feminism if you want to want to be the equality, the equity between the

women and the opportunities. So, so, so, because yeah, there are different types,

but, yeah, so, so, so, so, so, so,

for like visibilized the trick. But a one of which I'm assured comfortable. Because, you know, I'm a feminist

but I'm feminist but I'm working for the rest of it's not a badge that I've gained that I've got to. It's something that's something

that's something that's constantly reaffirmie and just to rest in the humility. But as you can't your envy

who are to want to love the equality, the equity, I mean, you know, in fact,

something that I think something that I I think I think I think interesting in the podcast the animatrice she said we also

we're not we're in there we're also we have some things that in this system the Patriarchop can be advantage

also for us for us in certain agar in the sense because we're comfortable and because we're we're used

to that and we're to get to deal with that to deal with these tools

because we're because I don't know how I'd say well that we're made

give to give to do the card with the with the people we're in it's not

you're in it's not to get used that you can't use you can't if you do you do

if you do if you do you know what you yeah and there's a concept that's interesting that that comes

to be the masculinity feminine or the masculinity masculine or the I just I'm just

I'm sure I'm sure you I'm still the idea that the system in a system where the

masculinity is valorized will be the game of the masculinity for survive, for advance. But, you know, there's Martin Nelvo, who has written the Boys Club,

who decry well, yeah, it's super, but, in fact, when you're going to ever, unfortunately, when you're going to be the sole woman around the table of the patrons, you'll have not your mo' to say, in fact, yes, the women can't play the game of the masculinity for advancing,

but it's a party that is perused in advance, unfortunately. Wow. You know, that I'm never rendered to the end up to the film, because it's that you can use these tools to

let's get to have to have some advantage but it's to have to have but it's but it's very but it's

it's really interesting It's it's the horror it's, it has been to it's very because I'm imagine that

I'm going all the time you've been I've I've been I'm oh it's a chien

we're saying on the fact of the fact of the fact of having a certain form of because all the people have

some people have reflex misogine but you know we're three people people who's also. The feminism

intersectional we've learned also that there's there's many there's many there's many there's more more than more

I'm more than I'm black also so, so all these positions when we understand that the issues feminists are

super pertinent for that to understand to understand their position social, comprehend, comprehend that you,

we know, we can't be there also umm there, because we can't what the experience of an experience

of a person racisize, I don't know what's the experience that? And then I'm there's a lot of and I'm

still with with some time we're going to be in a question and at the end up in the end up in the fact, when we're doing this,

it's not, it's not, it's not really a bit racist, we've not been to say, and it's not that we're like,

it's a man we're really that we're not that's attention to that. And it's it's not not grave,

in the measure where we're we're going to oh, hey, we because it's because you have to learn to do this

affair that, you know, the way how I can understand the way face a woman, is when I'm

I'm in a person black and that I realize that I'm just like you say, like you say, it's like I'm able to

understand your position, to like, I'm going to do you know, I don't know, I'm perhaps I said what

I'm going to see, oops, you know, it's so. Yeah, like just, I think, it's terrible

because I just, it's like, it's like, all the time, you know, all the system are not equivalent, but we're

when we're when we're dominant, in a position dominant, in a system, there, We're talking about

about the patriarchal. Also. Yes. If you're really, if you're not quite, but in the

time, the privileges are really great. Well, we can't do it. It's comfortable people.

It's for that also that I don't know I'm not my attention. My my discourse, I'm not

difficult. Like, yes, there's a violence. Yes, it's difficult. There's,

I'm a most of saying, I'm very the cost of the masculinity, in fact,

the benefits is the privilege, but the cost is more than the privilege. It's what it going to be

to be able to be a question to be a lot of it's going to say that you're not going to get to get them to the children.

It's the thing to be able to you're not in the money, you're not when you're the impression that you're all

that's all the other things that you're I'm trying that's different that's different but the cost of

the cost to the message that's the message that's the message that's the message that in my conferences

also in CED, It's worth you the pain. It's the whole that's the thing. The affair. The society capitalist is super

complementar to the fact that we're in a society patriarchal. Absolutely. All right. All right.

Plus you do you do the fact that more that you do this, more than you're that's so much devalorized but let's on Joanie who

come to join to be to be to recantry you know, well, but while that you

do not do do you do barque? What's you do you do Yeah, and I'm, I'm going to have a reality. My first example, my chum,

I was going to do a conference, I've had been a day of 8 o'clock. And then, well, have you been paid for that? And I'm like, no, he said, well, it's like, well, it's like, well, I, I'm, I'm, well, I'm, I'm, I'm, well, I'm, of, an environment where is that we're in,

we're in front of, and the importance, is to aid our, no, the people. So, obviously, there, there, there's a clash, there's a, no, Louis, it's, it's like, but it's sure that there's a clash, tabarwit, I'm going to re-enay,

but now in some moment, but I'm really not in the money, I'm going to be paying, I'm going to be done with you. I'm not ready. I'm not right now. For that you have

to rest in the provider. We're talking to intersectionality, you know, we're talking to the race and the patriarchal, but it's also the class,

it's the patriarchy. So, yeah, the money to have to have all right, if we know, if we're talking, if we're, if we're talking,

if we're talking about our young a girl's, it's to be rich for being dominant, and if you have you have to pay the money, if you're not

an real man, you know, in some moment, I'm in a research with my directress of the doctorate who's called

Kiara Piazzi, who she, she, she, she works on the research that's called MacLick, to Canada,

and the idea is to go how the men, heterosexual, today, on Canada, persov,

the love, the love, in, you know, what, being a man, in couple, all, so,

in the same, I'm not done, because I'm in trying to to manage this research that. It's a few weeks

that I'm doing that's a few times. But, you know, a thing that's the role

of provider, he is still full present. And I'm not even that's the question, he's revenue,

I've seen like a kind of of a bit same, I've seen, not long time, before the

United, TikTok, Instagram, there, in some moment, there's like a remonted of that.

Before that, we'd say we'd like, like, like, oh, but there, it's,

it's, on the TikTok and all of the time, but it's clearly at cause of the radio social, I'd say a return of balancier, or not? Well, it's a return of the balancier,

yes, of a certain form, in the same time, it's so much still still that's always a crisis, I see who who had

written that, it's a few that I've an idea that I was anew that I'm not, but it's a woman is

a crisis that the women can't we're We're always at a crisis that the men redevienes of the role

very, very normie also. These great crisis of St. A badmack who said. Well,

I'm not the same in my etes. Like, you know, I'm sure. The buchamp. Fack,

in some time, we know, we know, in the world, so, there are the people who have there's

there's there, and there's an economy of the an economy of the misogynies, you know,

like, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, that it's full present, and it's

that's really and that's the young girls are put in there but the question that's why the question that's why who benefits are there there's people

there's people the people, the influencers that you're totally like the of Q of Louis Terro I'm like to

I'm sorry I'm gonna I'd like I'd like that please please I'd like that but you're

so that the men the the musculin the lues that they're they're sacred of all

you know The masculinists, yeah. Yeah, but those that have kicked in the queue, how they're called? I don't know. The male alpha. The male alpha, they, they were, they vending these programs.

You know, it's like, you know, the guys, it was not for us, it's not for aid the young, and really, like they said, it was really for their cash, in the phone,

and they were, and they'd all mette to all the men, like if they'd all be rich, he'd put their affair. They found the money

on the distress of these men, the young, of these adults. Because he preen these adults,

it was just they're in it's just the young, because he saw the future that's he's going to

a place that I'm, I'm going to a house, a great house, the money, and all that and the success,

but if you have this man, in reality, like you say, the price to pay,

well, clearly he's clearly he's not here not only they're going to do this, but if you're

not that you've got to nothing, you've got to that they say, in fact. Because you watch

not your blonde, la la la. Exactly. And it's it's a matter. And it's what they're in fact it's a model

of masculinity super rigid. And what we see in the education is that the world to be able to a model of a

model of a other, more there's a more there's a impact negative. Because as as I said a time,

if, by example, you think, that you think that's being that you think when you're when you're doing the job,

you can't you can't your identity, then you can't the problem of alcoholism, the health mental, the toll of suicide

that's increased, which we're doing, it's the more a man has been a version flexible of this being a man, it's maybe,

it's perhaps, yes, to be good in a sport or to be good to be able to get an amy, at the day, the day of the

day after midday, the more we have a version flexible, more we have tendance to have some to have some

the masculinists vande, it's a model very rigid of masculinity, where the cost is immense, and in

plus what we see, there's an which had been made the year past, on three million in three

countries different. And what we saw it's that the people who were in the people who

on the media on the social, at the course term, it was super positive. Because he was seen view,

he was motivated, there had an impression that there had finally a community that was

a good value, but at long term, it was super negative. The contrecoup were really

great. The isolation, more good capacity to try in contact with the other,

more good health mental. And it's the whole to do the young guysons who

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you're because you've been used by people people for exist what's correct, you know,

or so, but like, who's it, yeah, is that, is it, is that, is that you

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they want to, they want to they want to they're on these on this vulnerability masculine,

like, But there also a question to, like it's a example, let's have an example

okay, I've got to not a long time, I'm in a category of a category of women

that was very business, the money and whatever and there I've like a moment of a moment

of the I've got that I know, we're like, we're we're having too

in the provider and when we can't be a little in our feminine a little in our

female, and then there's like, and then I'm like, like, I'm doing,

like, there's made full of that's, the women at the more, and they're

more in the performance, plus in the life, and there, I'm like, I'm like, I'm,

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even not, sometimes it's really a question also of the social. Yeah, and there was a

test that had been made on on different platforms social, and what

what had made create these new, and he had identified as these guys, it had

only the minutes before there had been there are these messages masculinist at all it's so, there are too

it's always it's always because there's very people who are that they're not that's very well that they're doing because the platforms

also they find the money, you know, Mark Zuckerberg Meta, they find that they have all the advantage as to

Reddit well, in fact these messages that people are that people are that's not that makes more

the end it makes that it's all that we're in it's all it's a bit discourage what I'm

it's a bit it's just because I have a one son of a good face of 17 years

The son to my to my big grand Mon Alfa just now he's he's a big grand

Marl Alfa and he and he's that's that because just I see I'm going he's

he's he's entrain he pants all the time the bourse he's like he gives he don't

of fun fact on the biology masculine and I'm I'm I'm

I know there I'm I'm not because I'm you're a girl but I'm there's

something that you're cook in back in the oh, yeah,

yeah, yeah, and I'm I'm not how react to it's, about it

because, you know, it's like, it's like, it's not a tabarnat it's that, it's like,

it's like, you talk, well, the masculinity toxic and, and you imagine

that it's a kind of monster who's, like, but no, you, it's,

it's an man super suriant, and yet, and he's, coming, that, he's,

coming, it, You know, it's not, it's not these monsters, you know, but there's something that's something that's

maybe the misogynia is perhaps more important, you know, it's really, I don't know how they're doing it with that,

how we're doing it with that, but I'm not the answer, but I'm a answer, you're not, you see too,

yeah, yeah, I'm sure, I'm sure, I'm not, I'm sure, oh, oh, my God,

we'll enterer not in the dynamic that, no, I'm sure, but, You put the door

on something something about this idea that you you know, you know, it's the guy who are very

that's the masculinity, and it's for that the masculinity toxic I have a issue because we think it's the men,

the guys who are the guys who are the masculine but you can really be a good chum but to be

really misogine with your gang of your in the locker room, you know, and it's a

end up, but it's a man, it's a good chum so it's correct you know, and the

in the collective my text serves a I'm saying there's no man who eschap in patriarch. It's impossible

that's not you know, you can't just be a good guy, it's not there's not there's a lot of there's a lot of

it's not really, so it's for you to think it's interesting. So in the context with you, you're a woman, you're a

mother, it's sure that it's sure that it's a but I'm curious to know, but it's maybe not the

but it's maybe, let's say, let's make that maskuette that gang of chum, it's what that's the message. It's so the

thing to it's the thing we understand that we understand that a vision by context is more interesting because with you the masculinity attended is to be

you valorise sure the vulnerability the discussion to be fine in this context he's adapt and just to respond to his

atten to be masculine and someone who can't be in other contexts can be perhaps to make a joke misogine

that's he's attended he made a fun fact like like like the kangaroo biologically

it was that the man the force of the woman and the kangaroo was also long as the force

of the woman I'm looking in the way in the same in the same in the same to try to make to make sure

to make sure oh yeah he bled just like, no but he did a just to say we're superior

Romain Romain, I love but it's so, it's just it's that it's even not,

it's even not that they're it's like he's like he it's interesting but it's all these

friends who are the same example, and it's the real social, so it's maybe not he's maybe not he's probably not that, he's maybe not in a car

with that, and it's that's what they're that's not in a country, they're interested in the telephone at the school, or I don't know,

yeah, it's it's been to get to have some telephone in class, but I think that's the long as you think, if you

see, you know, in Australia, there's, there's, there's illegal, there's, there's, there's,

there's, that's the country that's that's the country that's It's the Swede, Interview,

the radio social for the people of for the people of all the time. The Swede is the country that's the country that's why in the way, we're not just

all the time copy a Swede Madam? Yeah, we every time they make a new regal, we have even more

no government. We've just say, hey, we copy the Swedes. And now we're economize full, the economy

revien, so it's my project. My project political. There's a few government and we copy

the suit. And we imprimed the the money. And no, there's no, we're no, we're getting to, it's

communist, we're doing, we're doing, we're doing so I'm trying to do like, one of the affairs, I'm going to

to be able to see, that, full, incredible, I'm going to make a massage, okay, sort of $15

for an hour, incredible. Tate Madame, let's go, I'm like, hey, madam, have you to the place,

I'm in my chum, we're like, 14, so we're like, there's a, there's a, it's a girl,

she's like, But it's chum, it's who? It's not it's chum It's all the Rue, all the

Ville, it's on Valle, like, she's on she's all right, and she's like, she's like, we're also like Bali. So, in the final,

we're going to copy the Swede and Bali. You know, it's on a few from the time of to come in a way of the same

to come in. But I'm still in a car vali. There's a thing that's not actually, and the masculinity,

that's the thing is to get to get in competition constantly and we're doing to us isolate because it's like we're being

more feeble, we're more more maleyable and more more than to be more being more being more

it's been born to be born to be able to it's a Let's you, let's see, he's at the moment. He's there.

How he'll have Bravo. It's really, but the number of people also who are the number of the research that I'm in the time,

again again again, it's not a real result, but you know, it's a line with the spirit of the community,

you know, you're confi to you're in the life, and, uh, well, they're often to see,

uh, okay, your friends, you do you do do you do you do you're talking to do you're there's,

uh, they're not there they're not there they're not there to talk to their conjoint. And then I do you , have you talk to your

friends with this part of difficult that? Ah, well, why? Well, you know, it's not really

that's not really so the mood? And then I'm like, okay, but is that are important for you know, is that?

Is that you would be able to that they're present to them their amitia their amiss not that

it's like, it's really too, it's like, it's really we need to we need to we need to

we're again, again again again, I try, I'm not to excuse the women

on all the common, but it's so important to see, to be the yeah,

it's, it's, it's, it's, in the sense that he's been sube-souci,

but I understand, and it's very important to not the and not, but it's all, but it

there's that there's a thing, for that, you know, for that maybe they can't,

but they're saying, oh, we'd like that you're that you're not, you're just

for the It's the way of the way of the way of the way. We'd say it's not sufficient. It's a few years. It's not like it works, but, unfortunately. But if we're saying, hey,

you know, you pay a nasty to coup to a role social, you know? Well, I'm sure. I'm like,

it's not all the people who, you know, no, but I'll finish by my phrase, yeah.

I'm going to talk about. You know, so. So, the massage, and then we're 14.

All right. All right. I'm present. No, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I don't know. You know,

you're going to? Let's go, let's go. Because I have an impression really, there's just some benefits to same. Even me,

let's on, that I'm super well positioned in this patriarchal. I'm in a super good position. There's

some of... Oh, really? Really, I'm just. So what's what's he that's okay,

right, even if it's an advantage on a little level, I'm going to let's talk

you're talking that's, and that's for the to find he gain, who they want to get

something, what's you say, in the first, for it and he can be like,

and it's really difficult, and the thing, the thing, we're not very good

in the solutions, we're more, it's just like, hey, there's a problem,

it's it's all, it's all, So, so, we're going to be there. The intervenants, take it's on charge. So I don't know,

I'm sorry. But, but for to come in the question, but it's not right that they're not just

gained, in fact. The people are just not conscious of because I know, as you know, as you've said

in to, in their monitoring what they have, what they're seeing, the emotions,

the, the, the, the, the fact of, by their to know

to know with the other and the thing the thing is we're doing in these systems the money the position

dominant so I'm just the benefits but if we're going to value some more these things that

already it would it would but it we're not so you know I'm going to get to go to

the subject principal how you how you think it's the masculine the masculine the masculinity

we're we're about So for to terminate this be a book podcast I'm

I'm like to you know about you know about how it about the

masculinity how it not that's not not but I'm but I know that

I've done because it's all the word I'm all the all

masculinity the masculinity in so much how it how it how

it how it 2020 2026 yeah um well I don't

I've I've been I'm not not to I'm not trying to do, in fact. For real, you'd say that we're not

not going to work if it's a few, it's a little bit, it will have to accelerate. I'm maybe I'm quite, I'm too, but you don't know, but you

think, I think, I'm trying, I guess, I think that super interesting like, but, let's on we think, we're on our grandparents,

there's kind of a evolution. Yeah, I'm quite, there's a bit bit of recule that can't be there's a

but there's a vancy. Yeah, but I think there's there's advanced feminists for the women,

we're recule in but I think the role of the role of the role of the role socialization

of the role social is imposed if we're just of masculinity not of equality of gender I think the conversation

starts but I'm I think we have a way to do you know the number of times where I'm

there's socialized you're also I'm like yeah you're there there's a norm social

that that's a malady that I get that a little guy has an

emotion I'm You know, there's There's nothing that I'm There's a little bit of a man who's like something of cute You're more

You're more than more I'm more I'm, I'd like we're on this subject because we're still a sort of

15-minute on Patreon for talking these young children, but like because we, I'm,

I'm a little guy of three and a little guy's a little a little girl of two a year yes,

excuse, yes. He was When you're coming to ballet, and not even Oh my God, yes, I'm like,

so we're doing, it's so of these very young girls on on Patreon, if that's... With pleasure. Why?

Because, we're, we're going to make, because we're because we're not all the solution,

we're not socialized by the amy, we're going to have been to be. And the parents also, it's a problem

also, so, so, so, then every time, we're, now, we're actually there,

there's just a there a requirement, there's a character, that. So, like, the infant wants to be like

our own we're doing we're doing we're doing our own and we're doing our own to do you know

what's the same. What's the okay, we're asking on Patreon. Thank you. I'd have had pre three hours

of this podcast with you. I'd like that I'd like I'd like if you want to then we

and we'll let's get to be less of perhaps I'm trying I'm really I'm just

I have the impression that I've been to stop I'm going to like this impression but say that you're not not going to

you're not, it's really really good thank you thank you thank you very your your question.

Oh my God. It's like. Yes, I'm sorry that you're coming out of because the people, I'm sure

who have really question and it's just a podcast to respond to the people if the people are doing

if they're if they're and I'm and I'm maybe, on the result of how many, so how

the men celibate and in a couple canadian, perceivable, they're going to I think it's interesting. At each

a day, they're going to talk about that's a page. That's really done. Is it the same that's a

time? No, ideally, I'm just so that and it's regla. There's a question.

There's a question. Maybe my director's we'll be, we're we'll be. We'll be there. Okay, is there some

some of the resources or some of the stuff, you know, it's a blog, all, if you

please. Well, obviously, the masculine plurial, the book, we talked to how we said, for the way, it was solidly when we had

thought it, so it's a collective there's a lot of people, and the idea is to start to start to see how to I'm not quite there's quite quite

there's quite people who are they're often they're often, they're often that they're that's quite, that's quite,

that's a chom, his father, his friends, because it's not culpabilizing, but yes, there's a part of responsibility

in this live life, so I think it's a belle plurial, dispopoparto parto in library.

Maloneyston, I think it's here that you're going to join the I'm going to say. Absolutely. It's a good

idea of a idea of the idea of the money. And then get to this live there and give this leave that,

and then you demand this call, and you're that you're that also. Yes, absolutely. Okay, perfect.

They would not they want to it's too long. It's platt it. It's not not. It's where the

G-Wagen. You'll prepare the chaw a bit. In the intemate, the guys are the

people are the They'll say they'll be in their own. Well, they're not. They're not married. I'm not sure. I'm not quite. No, but see, it's because I'm a chum TDAH

dyslexic. So, he can't, he can't, he can't leave. I'm like, it's like that. You're going to be a resume.

My friend will be reading that. And, yeah, okay, what's the book? The book, documentary.

It's all. I'm, I'm just, I'm very Enferme to have your social to I'm doing the media social,

I'm available for Instagram for Sunny carp for Sunni carp for Tarni for sure of doing some give you know

I'm doing some yeah, with Valide the agency I'm represented by Valid so I'm I'm doing

for the media yeah absolutely that you can do you know in the comments say to your boss

at your party invite invite Sony to you it's been invite to be invited

to talk with with pleasure with pleasure I'm a bit I'm a masculinity, masculinity at work. Incredible.

We're talking about about equity, and of inclusion, of diversity, and it's that in the measure where you have to that's a bit

that's a bit of the conference that I've offered. And it's written to on the on the agency valid. The link

in the link in my Okay, we'll put the link. If you want, if you want, if you want, all the time, please,

please, bring this. Extraordine. Sonny, I'm really really, I'm really my mom, pass with you. I think it

really cool. we'll say on Patreon. 15 minutes. I see the children of three fours of three and a woman Oh, my feet,

talking about on an infant. Bye.