Sexe Oral - Sous l'emprise d'un pimp avec Chloé-Kim

Episode Date: May 8, 2025

Les propos exprimés dans ce podcast relèvent d’expériences et d’opinions personnelles dans un but de divertissement et ne substituent pas les conseils d’un.e sexologue ou autre professionnel de la santé. Cette semaine sur le podcast, on reçoit Chloé-Kim qui est venu livrer son histoire de manière très brute, sans détour : de la manipulation à 15 ans, l’exploitation, la violence, l’évasion, les traumatismes, et enfin sa résilience, son livre, et son courage de témoigner. Au programme: - Une rencontre marquante à 15 ans : le début de l’emprise - La descente dans l’univers de l’exploitation sexuelle - Comment elle a été piégée, isolée et contrôlée psychologiquement - Les stratégies de manipulation des “pimps” - L’enfer vécu à Toronto et le fonctionnement d’un réseau organisé - La fuite, l’accident, la survie - Les séquelles psychologiques et physiques  Pour suivre Chloé: https://www.instagram.com/chloe_kim_b/  Le podcast est présenté par Éros et Compagnie Utiliser le code promo : SEXEORAL pour 15% de rabais sur https://www.erosetcompagnie.com/ Les jouets dont les filles parlent: https://www.erosetcompagnie.com/page/podcast  ---- Pour collaborations: [e-mail] Pour toutes questions: [e-mail] Pour suivre les filles sur Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/sexeoralpodcast Pour contacter les filles directement, écrivez-nous sur Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/sexeoral.podcast/

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Thank you. Bye. A production of Studio SF. Today, on the podcast, we're welcoming Chloé Kim, who had the courage and the... Well, look, she came to tell us about her story. She wrote a book called Prisoner of Her Pimp. And today, she's telling us about it because it's her story.

It's a true story that she's telling us. We were on our asses, but at the same time, it's a great thing that she came to talk about it because it's a great sensitization that it's going to do to many women, many families, families and parents. And we also have Blaise who joined us in our intro. My son is sick, he doesn't go to the nursery. Claude came to take me because he had something to do.

So we had some little moments in the intro with a nice baby, I apologize. So, yes, Claude, you were extraordinary. You completely captivated me. I was on a time shift in Amsterdam. We came back last night. And I was really just captivated by your story and in the present moment. That's it. Thank you. Really good podcast to everyone. Hello, Chloé. Hi girls. Chloé Kim from Entrée du Jeu, but we're going to call you Chloé. Yes, we can call her Chloé. Thank you for being here today.

It's a subject that will be really difficult to listen to. I'm going to talk about it a little bit. I'm going to talk about it a little bit. Yes, we can call her Chloe. Yes. Thank you for being here today. It's a subject that will be really difficult to listen to. I don't know if you've listened to an interview, but I didn't listen to it because I wanted to keep the... I wanted to react with you. Thank you for having me.

But it's a pleasure. So Chloe Kim, you wrote the book about your life, about what happened. It's about a prisonner from her Pimp. So today, your relationship, your public relationship, she wrote it to us and she wanted to send us your book. And I said, yes, certainly, but more than that,

I don't just want to have her book, I want to have it. So thank you so much for coming today to tell us your story. It's a pleasure. Yes, I'm really happy. Do you want us to start from the beginning? Yes, because I just know that it was 15 years ago that I met you, this man. So if you can tell us how it all started, what the meeting was like, how it all happened.

So, how are you feeling about talking about it right now? It's going well. I'm asked a lot, but I wrote this book. At first, I didn't think it would come out, and that it would be like... It's like the twist that it takes at the moment. You know, I did it more for myself at the beginning. It was a great way to turn the page. You know, I turned 30, I have two children,

and that's it. It was a great way for me to wrap things up. And you know, I can say now that... You never forget that, but you know, I can say that I went through other things, and that I'm living well now with that. And talking about it... It was harder to tell my relatives,

because it's something I kept very secret. Until I'm at the end of my life. I have a book coming out next year, and nobody knows. So it was the hardest part. So you kept it for yourself for 15 years? Yes, well, it's, I have friends who are aware of certain stories, who knew that I had a bit of a rough time,

and who were there for me, above all. But you know, the big story, even my family didn't know. So, I started to announce it. How did it feel? Well, it was difficult. But before we turn, I have a generation with my mother. I'm very close to my mother. I've always been very close to my mother.

So for her, it was difficult. How did I get past that? It was hard to make people understand that I love them. You're not going to want to have them. I think that's what people want a little bit, to have done nothing, to have seen nothing. But it's because I arranged myself so that they don't see anything in the end. I never created the rescue and no one helped me. So it was explaining to people not to want to have them.

To understand that it's been a little bit of a month, the woman I am today, you know, I'm able to say now that I'm a strong woman, and you know, that's it, that I've gone through something else, and that my life is going well, you know, I have a nice little family life, and so we talked about it now, I think it's really more in the spirit of, well, not education, I find it weird to say, but... Sensibilization. To support people, you know, and show them that it really exists.

And that's it. It's crazy. When I decided, OK, yes, I could maybe make a book out of it, and it's not a nice story, but I can do something beautiful with it, maybe reach out to someone, you know, I said to myself that if I had only one person, you know, I must have... it will be a mission accomplished, I will be happy to be. The book is out?

Yes, the book is out on January 15th. Okay. It was a big hit. I didn't expect it. I didn't really know what to expect. On Monday, before it was released, I was called and told that I was ready because our reception was about to explode.

So, yes, I received it. Thank you. I was very happy. I have a lot of good messages. I have a. Thank you. I was very happy. I have a lot of good messages. I have a lot of people who write to me. The first few weeks, every day, I had two or three people who wrote to me. Just tell me, I read your book.

It's crazy what you've been through. People are really, really caring. I've had some testimonials. Some people wrote to me to confide in. I find that beautiful. I feel like it's nice to be able to give advice, but to talk to people. To hear other people's testimonies is always a value added to your own life, in the sense that you can see where it can think of injuries in your life, or what you could have done.

Sometimes you feel less alone. You can see where it can think of injuries in your life, or what you could have done. We feel less alone sometimes. Yes, we feel less alone. And you know, I was young and naive, but at one point I thought, I was so stupid, to the point where I saw nothing. And no, it wasn't me, it was him who was manipulating.

You don't have to feel guilty about falling into it, because it's not your fault. When you're 15, it could happen to anyone. You're 15 years old. You're in an art where you want to be someone. You want to be important, feel valued. It could happen to anyone. There's no profile. important, te sentir valorisé, pis non, ça peut arriver à n'importe qui. Pis y a pas de profil, c'est ça. J'ai dit tantôt, j'ai dit, mettons, je la regarde pis je suis comme,

« Ah, j'aurais jamais pu deviner. » Mais y a pas de... C'est ça aussi parce que tout le monde, tu sais, moi, je suis pas de Montréal, là. Tu sais, je suis dans mon petit coin de pays, là. Ça arrive soud' ben smooth pis y a des gens qui se disent, là, « Bon, c'est ça, Montréal, c'est une grosse ville. C'est tout le temps que ça arrive. Ben non, no.

It's not just Montreal that things happen. Okay, I'm curious about your story, my god, I'm too... Him, how... Did you meet him when you were 15? Or did you meet him when you were 17? I was 15, no, no. I was 14. You were in high school, right?

14 is high school. High school. Basically, I was in high school when I was 3. How old were you in secondary 4? 14th or 2nd? Secondary 2nd. Basically, I was in secondary 3rd. Ok, that's good. So yeah, I was just a normal girl. I was just chatting with friends. It's a gang of guys. They seemed good.

I think it's important to talk about it because let's say the series is a bit fussy. When you think of a Pym, it's a bit like Damien in the series. He bit like a rapper with his chains and his ass. It's a bit like the image you have when you hear the word Pimp. He was a guy who looked great, dressed very well. He was a gang of guys who looked good. We found him very cute.

And then it was like several times that we met them. And then we went to dinner time. Well, you know, everyone was in the same place to eat. And then he came to talk to me. And the same thing started. We were like, my friends were like, OK, well, look, you're going to join us with Daphne. And then we exchanged our numbers.

And then we talked for a while talked a little bit by text. We used to call each other three times. We used to call each other three times. So we often called each other. What was the profile and what was the age? What did you do in life? It was a long time before I really knew the age. He was ten years older than me.

In my head, it wasn't that much, because he still looked young. And he said he was in the real estate business, and his parents had a company, and he worked for it. He made a lot of money with it. And you believe it. Every time he did something, I never had a little suspicion, it's normal, but at the same time, that's it. And you believe it. Every time I do something, I've never had a kind of suspicion, like, ah, it's weird, you know.

But at the same time, that's it. With hindsight, yes, sometimes I'm like, OK, yeah, that's it, clearly. I would, you know, at the age I'm here, I wouldn't be afraid to have it, you know, if I saw certain signs, and I would be like, yeah, that's not normal. But at the moment, you know, there's nothing you're telling me

that raises a flag, you know, in the sense that you see in a shopping mall, and they say there's a couple of years more than you, but you don't know that there's 10 years more than you. It's later. In the green, when we meet, they always bring me to eat at beautiful restaurants, beautiful, chic restaurants. They very quickly give me beautiful gifts, and they pay attention to me. So I think that's where young people start. If you're a guy who's got... Let's say I'm the same age as you,

if you're a guy who's got so much, you can ask yourself some questions. At that age, you can hear your husband who brings you a rose at five years old. So yeah. You say your parents are very rich. He's really lucky. I don't know, it depends on what gifts they bought you.

It was jewelry, they had flowers all the time. It's not that. It's more fun than it gets. But at the beginning, with hindsight, that's it. His specialist, he threw his canvas around me. Clamence wasn't his first either. He was still around her. He made me believe in beautiful things. He told me he loved me. I believed him. I loved him.

I think it's reciprocal. You don't know anything about it. I loved it. So you think it's reciprocal. You don't know anything about it, so that's love. Even when it starts to slip a little, I was always like, it must be normal. It must be that. I have to do what he wants, for him to love. So yeah. How...

So at the beginning, you go to the mall, you start calling a lot, and you start to have outings. The first thing, let's say that with hindsight, you say, OK, there, there was a click. Yes, well, and my friend had a bar, and it was a dance bar, but at the base, we always went, it was like in the little door on the side, in the basement, it was like, not a big, you know, that part wasn't accessible to the public, you know, so we were all the time, you know, 15, 20, and it was all people who knew each other, you know.

But you know. On the dancers' side, that you were 15 years old. In the basement, you know, it's like just people who know each other, you know, all friends, you know, you know. Well, there were still girls who danced downstairs, you know, for this world, you know, who were rotating, you know, who were going up and down, and then along the day, you know, from the first evening, you know, I was like, what am I doing with myself?

I'm not a major, you know, that's it, I'm 15 years old. I'm like, what is she doing there, all naked, you know, in front of me. There's a kind of fascination too, you know, like, she has, you know, too. She... I remember... At the time, there were some people who liked to dance. There were some who would leave by doing it. I talk about it later in my book.

I did it later, from my own perspective, to re-appropriate my body. I liked to do it that way. But there were some who really didn't want to be there. There were some, just in their face, who were like, you know, the girls were too not there, in the background, you know. So that's where it is. I feel uncomfortable, but you know, I don't know, I imagine curiosity.

And then, you know, already when they bring me there, but I'm already hooked on him, if we say. Yeah. So yeah, so that's how it started. They started making me drink. And you know, I was 15, you know, after drinking a popper at the time, it was like, it was really trendy. So you know, I started drinking and then, well, that's it.

Eventually, he's going to start drugging me to my core, but you know, that's it. I didn't see anything in my head. It was always just alcohol, you know, and then... So you just understood later that he was drugging you. Yes, it really took me a while. I don't throw it away, I'm just putting something in my glass. At that moment, how did you react? I was a little bit nervous.

Eventually, he made me make a false card. I was just in the basement. We were upstairs. I was told that someone liked to dance. I was told that they had music. I said, I'm talking about dancing for dancing. Then one week later, I got a dress instead of... You know, if you like to dance, you can make money.

So they started making me dance. The clothes they bought at me turned into clothes. So one night he told me, he put this on and that's it. I'm done. I'm done. I'm the one who finishes the stage tonight. And the first time you did that, how did you feel? Did you feel important? Did you feel stressed? What was your state? Well, without knowing it, he was already drugging me.

So I was a little bit sorry when I left in a mood, like, you know, smooth and go with the flow. And basically, he makes me go up with a girl, you know, so the girl is super thin, super sweet, and she accompanies me a little in there. So she's kind of a little side, you know, she surrounds me a little bit, so I'm not alone in the world. And the fact that it's drug, it attenuates it a little bit, so I don't like it according to people. And the fact that it's about drugs, it's attenuated a lot too.

You know, the shame. And I'm literally in another... I'm trying to remember, but I'm literally in another place, on another planet, you know, at that moment. How long has it been between your time down there, you see dancers and you're on stage with them? I'm so not good with the timeline in general. It's tough, I'm sorry. So I'm trying to... And that's it, I was young and you're on stage with... I'm not really good with timelines in general. I'm sorry. That's it, I was young. You're still 15 years old. There's a kind of barrier, I think it's written in me too.

I sometimes try to go back in time and remember everything. It's hard. We're aware, they protect themselves by forgetting. That's it. Yeah. I'm aware that they protect themselves by forgetting. So, it's for sure that they're saying that. Well, it's for sure that years later, talking to some psychos, one of my psychos told me, your brain is going to be a barrier to protect you.

So, I had a few death threats for years, and I had some kind of flashback in the middle of the night. I was dreaming. I woke up and you have this moment, like, if you ever happen, it's a memory or a dream. So yeah. So basically, it's... So it's...

You asked me how I reacted. It's like, he doesn't end up sending me like, I dance my manéo and I end up in the dressing room. At the beginning I was just dancing, there was a VIP section and a bar section at large. We were really just in the VIP section. And I was just dancing in the dressing room. There was a VIP section and a bar section at large. At the beginning, we were really just in the VIP section. And I was just dancing in the same place, semi-dressed.

But that's it, I ended up just dancing in the dressing room. One evening, he comes up to me and says, «You're going to make more money tonight». So he puts me in a dressing room and that's where it comes from. And it becomes for me the fun. It's not just the dance. I do a little more than what I do what I want with you. And that's it. One evening, one morning, that's it.

I realize... I get out of a cabin and I see him putting his head in my glass. And I don't want to take it, but I realize that every minute, it's a little bit tougher than it is in normal times, because I'm all there. So eventually, it's going to be my turn to ask for something. And I'm even falling into the water, into the water of consumption and everything.

Because I'm freezing to death, and not feeling like I'm there, you know, in the end. I felt like I was there. Oh, okay. And the bar, in fact, he worked with the bar, together. Yeah, clearly. And I was like, I wonder, is that the bar? I have memories of his friend who had the bar, he said, I'll put this one there, you'll bring it back. And you're like, you don yeah, that's where it went.

So that's what I was thinking. Is this bar closed right now, or is there something going on? Yeah, I don't know. Maybe there's something else open in the future. And what's sad is that even today, it's current. I compare a lot with the show Fugeuse. When it came out, Fugeuse was a big hit. I'm not going to do anything else afterwards. What's sad is that even today, it's current news. I compare it a lot with the show Fugeuse.

When it came out, there were a lot of people who said it was too much. I heard a lot of people say, there are too many of them. It can't be as intense as that. In the morning, I was just like, it can't be worse. You have no idea how far it can go. That's what I find sad today. There are still more things that we think about. Do you want to tell us...

In order of what you remember, because I feel like we're asking you a lot of questions that maybe prevent you from going where you want to go. No, no, that's correct. I'm like too... Are you in prison? Is it closed? question qui peut-être t'empêche d'aller où tu aurais envie d'aller. Ben non, c'est correct. Moi je suis comme trop... Y es-tu en prison? Est-ce que ça c'est enfermé? C'est parce que tu parles puis je suis comme impossible, impossible, puis je veux de suite

comme punition. Est-ce que tout le monde a eu son... C'est correct. Là mettons, tu commences à danser dans les cabines. T'as 15 ans, t'es encore 15 ans, t'es en amour avec love with this guy who puts you in that position, who manages to convince you to do that to make money because you... I've never seen her give me that money. Never. That's the point.

So you gave him all your money. Yeah, he gave me all that money. And that's it, I'm keeping you, I've made you live a lot of nice things. And I buy you everything you want, so you're not... You're too young to have money. But when you grow up, we'll go far away and we'll travel and we'll have a nice life. So yeah, keep going. We're on the edge. So let's say you're on the edge, you start making money, well, in fact, you don't make money.

He starts making money with you. Thanks to Kabine, they're men who would have paid everything for my father. And sometimes my grandfather, legit at that time, really my grandfather. So it's a kind of... And I don't want to give you anything to do with love, but when you're young, you say, I have a man, I'm not going to sleep with him,

he's going to run away. It's that kind of mentality, if you sleep with him, not with him, but I'm not going to lie to anyone else. So I don't want to have a kind of feeling of guilt that comes with it. It seems like I'm trying to deceive him. And then he makes me feel better tomorrow. Eventually he'll tell me, well, you have fun with guys. I can have fun with other girls too.

So there's this kind of... He turns the whole situation against me. I can have fun with other girls. So he always turns the whole situation against me. Every time I find the loafer or whatever, he'll come back to me and say, Oh, no, it's in your head. It's the first time he's going to beat me up. He'll tell me the next day, you're drunk, I was imagining a couple of things. I had drunk too, I had crossed the line.

I got angry, I shouldn't have. I apologize, I love you. Every time, physically, it hurt me. The next day, we're going to the spa, we're going to do this and that. It's always bought back. I apologize, I'm so sorry. I don't dare to do this. He was always like, I love you, I'm sorry, I'm so sorry. I don't want to lose you. He was always in the extreme.

He always told me to make myself feel that it was my fault. You pushed me to the edge. I shouldn't have done that. You pushed me to the edge, and I shouldn't have had to clean my hands, but you know, you pushed me to the edge, so I exploded. I know I shouldn't have had to, I know it was bad, but it's your fault. You're a little person, you know, in that sense. Do you remember a situation, like, quite clearly, of a thug you had and that he started to raise his hand on you afterwards. Well, you know, I talk about it. My book is very detailed. You know, it comes back a lot. People say it's very raw. It was kind of my goal, actually. The goal was that it would heat up, you know, that it was kind of a wake-up call, I think.

You know, the kind of side of... I didn't wear white gloves when I met him. It's my story. But it was always some kind of nonsense. Once it happened, it was just because... You looked at my friend, I know it's because you want it. You want to sleep with him, tell me the news. He pats his head and he spits on me. He thinks I want to sleep with his friend.

So yeah. Me too, finally. You lived that at the age you... Okay, but whatever age, it's crazy. You started your life with that. Yeah, it also stained my life after that a lot. You see, my love life in all my relationships. That's for sure. It started badly, let's say.

It was a lot of relearning, let's say. I never knew how to love my child either, in a way. You know, I played the role openly. I'm not sexual. And there are a lot of men and women who have gone through that in my life, that I've been beaten up. You know, I don't remember how many times I apologized afterwards. You don't have to understand.

But it was a long time before I understood. And you know, I cheated on some younger people. And you know, some younger people. And I hurt people. And it hasn't been very long since I understood what I wanted and what I deserved. To accept that, you know, to understand what a healthy relationship is.

And it's been a year since I've been on the ground. And it's not bad year since I was a raise-up, and it's not bad with the last one, I understood what I wanted and what I didn't want. And then... And it's the work of a lifetime, in the sense that it's evolved. But people go... Yes, that's it.

Already at the base, but I think that's it. I started with a bad vision of love, and I kept a line, a kind of line a little weird for a long time. I just had to get some flyers. So let's say, to follow up on your... You dance, you start dancing, you make clients, but were there any touches in the rooms? Was there anything else?

At the beginning, I had some soft clients. I would have been able to... Excuse me. I would have been able to calculate the things a little. At first, it was just in the basement, in the cabin. So it started like that, that's it. Slowly. Then after that, there's one who wants to sleep with me. I'm going to break my neck, I'm going out and I don't want to.

But his guy's room was on the doorstep and he kicked me out of the cabin. I did what he wanted and you don't have your own way. So Chumdega was the boss of the bar? Yes. He was the boss of several employees. I never really knew that he was technically his boss, but there was a couple who worked for him. They were sisters in the end, but they were all Chumdega.

And he was all in the game. Oh, damn. Yo, but even the guy... Those who are supposed to protect the dancers, they are supposed to be there for that. After that, that's it. It's... It's a shame, you know,

Sonia, you know, she works with independent sex, but it's like, you know, you're much better off being independent than working in a place. And you know, there are some who do it and they have a little memory. I mean, I listened to a lot of podcasts, you know, at Alem's Café. It's perfect. You know, I'm like, me, you know, I went back to sex work later.

It's at the age of adult to, precisely, re-appropriate my body. And that's the way I found to, like, it's that, really, re-appropriate myself, in fact. It's a little bit what allowed me to heal. It can seem a little ridiculous, you know, but I had set limits on myself. I worked in a bar where the double bouncer didn't touch me because you were going to come out with a kick in the head. It's like no chance. It's a dance without contact. It's like she decides.

Has it already come out of the bar or is it still in the cabins? It's out of the bar. Well, finally you realize that there was a house close. At the beginning, when I went to their house, there was always traffic. Eventually, I want to arrive one day and the girls... There are three or four that stay here. It's a big house, full of rooms and rooms. There are three or four girls that stay here. That's it.

You have to work here a little bit. It's going to be less complicated. I think that... Eventually, you found out that there were other girls. You thought, I have no idea that there were other girls. Because you still thought, I have no idea who sees other girls, that there is someone else who... Other girls, yes, because there are several.

And you know, in retrospect, there is a kind of hierarchy. And you know, there are several guys, you know, on the same page, if we can say. So it's each guy like their own girl. And they take care of each other. Each girl has her own man. Who takes care of her. In life in general. And there's one who was there. But who lived there.

And I think he had clients. Have you ever had discussions with other girls? Have you ever had moments where you say, Hey, what are we doing there? There are some who are clearly caught in the same trap as me. And there are some, when I'm trying to remember, there are some who were, who were maybe not completely gray, but there are some who were less bad than others. Let's say there are some who were older and who feel much better dealing with me,

but still, I'm not judged. Maybe you're just used to it. There are some that are older and feel better dealing with my body. I'm not judging. Maybe you're just used to it. There are some that are, you know, because it's been so long since she did that. Maybe just... There's one that's older and takes everything from me. So we had the impression that she didn't care about it that much. But maybe...

Maybe yes. I never really knew their story. And what's the oldest one? The mid-20th? Yeah, it must have been a year ago. The 18th? Yeah. No, but they were all in their 20s. They were appearing.

Did you keep in touch with some of these women? Do you know if there are some who managed to get out? There are some who disappeared? Some of them disappeared. Some of them didn't come back. I have a daughter, Manique, who will tell me she left for Toronto with her family. But I ended up in Toronto and three of them didn't come back. They were with me that day. So she might have left there. And I never came back. Because we know know that Toronto is a very big city, and it's well known for that.

There are a lot of girls who disappear there. And that's it. I don't know, there are probably... If they manage to get out of there in the end, there might be dead people there. That's what was the hardest to deal with for a while. There are people who are looking for them. Well, you know, one of the research opinions, there are so many for girls at this hour.

And, you know, there are some that are girls, there are some that are going to... You know, to their own place. And we think about the fugitive, let's say, the next week she's going to run away for eight months. I've always stayed at home, you know. I've never left, you know, while I was at home, in Desmond, let's say. And not in any news, and nothing. But you know, they play so much in mind that... He left during the days, during the seasons, and he didn't give any news. He played so much in his head that

there are those who end up doing it. I go to everyone and I'm with my gang, and finally he goes and gets caught up. How did you end up getting caught up in Toronto? A trip. We'll go there, we'll take you there for fun. It's going to be worth it for fun. Girls, you're going to deserve it. Have a nice weekend.

We got there and it was all over. We were in a kind of apartment with guys who spoke English and we were all taking fuck alls. When we got in, there were already a lot of girls. We were all in the same room. There was already a room, let's say, closed, with other girls that we heard yelling. There was one who was screaming, she was walking in the door,

and she wanted to get out, and the guy came in, and clearly we heard the bat. It was like we were being kicked out of the room. We were locked up there for I don't know how many hours before the police came to see us. We were wearing the bags of clothes, and we were going to bed. We ended up in a kind of mess, a bad SM, like,

I'm going to die from that. At that moment, you were 16? Yeah. So, let's say, from the beginning of your story, I know I'm a kid with time. No, that's right. But just to put me in the age, let's say, how long did it last?

About a year and a half in total. There are times when I'm going to push myself, and it's going to take some time before he comes to see me. I'm a year and a half in total. There are times when I'll push myself, you know, and it will take some time before they see me again. And there are times when I rebel a little, when I find myself too embarrassed to go see them. So there are several weeks that can flow. Do you have any parents who are like that?

Yes, well, my parents have been separated since I was very young. And my father-in-law, you know, my mother remarried. And I never knew anything about't very close to my father, biologically at the time. He worked a lot and it's a lot of my great-grandfather who raised me with my mother. I was very close to my mother, so I lived more with my mother most of the time.

And that's it. My great-grandfather, he really raised me more. And he's the one who brought me back to my parents. And I'm talking more to my father today. But I have like... My daughter is 7 years old. My daughter was 7 and a half and she was cute, because she said, you have two dads, you're lucky. But you know, that's it. So my beautiful father, in the end,

you can't mix everyone up. He had a boat, and it's his name. Sometimes we went on weekends. There was a sail, in the end. So we went and... You know, one year, you know, I was getting old, and you didn't have time to go there anymore, you know. So you were old enough to stay alone at home. So sometimes I was like, you know, I'm getting old, and you're not going to go anymore.

So you're getting old, you're going to stay alone at home. So sometimes I was like, oh, well, at the end of the week, I'm going to go. So I'm going to go. You know, it changes my place. You know, at the beginning, I was so hung up, I was like, you're always with me. And I told myself, no, it's okay to go. And then one day I just came, I didn't even have my truck. And then I'm going to find excuses to have the ball. Eventually they will come and threaten me.

They took pictures of my relatives. I had relatives who had children, young children. They showed pictures of their house, their children's house. And they told me, I don't think something will happen to them. And with hindsight, clearly, they would never have done anything. Because they didn't... It didn't do them much to be caught for another crime, in the sense that they didn't want to be seen.

So, with hindsight, I would have... But on the other hand, you can't know. It's just like, they threaten you and it was clearly a good way to keep me, and to always bring me back. So, you had to start over, you went back there to be sure that nothing would happen to your loved ones? Yes, well, that's for sure. When they brought me back, they gossiped cursing at me, and it's been too long, you don't have a choice. At the end of the week, you're not going to... When I made new friends... At the beginning,

I lost all my friends because I changed. I wasn't there anymore. And now I'm waiting for everyone. So I'm going to talk to all my friends. And then a little later, I'm starting to meet new people. And now, it's not your friends in this world. They're too young. And they're like, yes they're not your friends. They're too young. It's not worth it. So I'm super isolated.

So that too, it's like, I don't know what to do. I don't know what to do at the end of the week. So I'm going to go. Is there someone in your entourage or in your friends or whatever who has asked questions at some point? And if so, when is it? Not really. I think it's there, with hindsight,

knowing that. I think, you know, my great-grandfather, he said, if it didn't answer a question we might have at the time, you know, like we realized, we saw that you had changed, but at the same time, you know, you were a teenager, all teenagers change, everyone, you know, you have like all the time, everyone evolves, everyone, you know. So, but you know, that's it. With hindsight, I try to find what I missed, what I could have seen, what...

Yeah. But yeah, at the moment, no. I think that... What are the signs? Physically, did you have a lot of changes? Or did you look like yourself? Or, you know, like... Well, I had a break. I don't want to be a fool. In adolescence, you change everything. You look for your identity.

In the beginning, I had a little look. It was the head-butt that was in the fashion. The little apple on the top of the head. I had my hair cut. There was a moment when you feel a little bit. I consciously thought, I had my hair cut. Yeah, yeah. And then there comes a moment when you feel a little bit, and I think that consciously I was telling myself, like, if I stop taking care of myself, he might end up saying, hey, let's go.

And like, it's not like I don't care, you know, I don't care about patience, you know, I don't know, but... So it's true that yes, a little bit, but that's it. I think you're looking for your identity too, so... In any case, I was clearly looking for myself. Yeah. So you know, I had to change my look 20 times in my adolescence. You didn't have a drastic change.

I don't know, a weight loss. I ate less, maybe, but not drastically. Nothing someone can do, like me, who has what's going on. Yeah. And when did you really realize that you weren't in the... that it wasn't your charm, and that it was all shit, and that you weren't capable? It was a long time before I did it. One year, you say, I've never seen anyone get beaten up. Like, how abnormal is that?

That they hit me, and that I hurt, and that... That they make me do that. And that's when they start to hallucinate, I'm not used to it. I'm not used to it. I'm not used to it. I'm not used to it. I'm not used to it. I'm not used to it. I'm not used to it. I'm not used to it. I'm not used to it.

I'm not used to it. I'm not used to it. I'm not used to it. I'm not used to it. and he was going to ask me if I was really angry. I went down to the basement, but there was no one there. I was really upset that time. His friend came down and it was clear that he was the one who sent him. I had no idea. I was so confused, I was so not there. He was like, if you can get there, if you can get there.

And he was telling me, no, he was next to me, he could never get down. It's in your head. He got down and he beat you up. He tried to choke me. So, I don't know. I don't know if I can, because you were running around. Hey, you really end up being convinced that it's you who's the problem, and that there's something that you don't...

It's crazy, huh? Yeah, it really is. Yeah, it was the impression. So, you walk on eggs, because one year, I didn't even put a table on it. So, you're always like... You're trying to be careful with what you do. And you don't know if it's going to be hard. So you want to please them.

And I'm filming and he's going to be calm. I don't know how to ask this question. But let's say he calls you after the moment you left for a while. And he says, no, you really have to come back. The time I left, I left. I had a little stage in public. We were at the dead. So Christ, please leave me alone. So when she was doing a little scene publicly, she was like, she's not going to start a fight in front of everyone.

So she knows that it's okay. And then, I don't answer her calls, I don't answer her messages. So they leave me alone for a while, but after that, I found myself a little guy, and they're going to pick me up on the roadside one evening when I went to work between the mall and my house. So like, kidnapped? Yeah, kidnapped and then they're gone. Yeah.

So, it's the same thing that happened to me. And what did he say? He said, well, it's your little niaiser, stop doing your child, and then... And that's where he's going to start telling me, you're mine. You can't, like, not respond answer me the same during the weeks. You can't make me a little crisis up the same, but it won't work. So yeah. At that moment, there's no more love.

He's trying to be a fin. There's a moment when he stops completely. He's just always mean to me. And he's a little bit less, you know. At that moment, you were conscious... I'm in trouble. Yeah. Yeah.

Do you remember the last thing you did for him, in fact? Well, there will come a moment where, after all this, I'm in trouble, and not even for real. Then there's a moment where he's going to try to win me back, if you will. He's going to start buying me flowers again, and then, we should have a quiet evening. Then one day I'm going to meet someone and he's going to know, because I'm like a member of the Moe Merin, so I'm trying to live my life they're going to know, because I'm like a So one day, I'll go to the hospital and they'll think my real name is Alexis.

So I have this kind of two identities. And one day, my brain is so incapable that there's a kind of cut that's made. When I'm at home, I'm me and when I'm out there, I'm her. It's like, my brain disconnects. It's on and off at one point or another. So yeah, that's it. There's a kind of... I was like, I don't know, I don't know. I was like, I don't know. I was like, I don't know. I was like, I don't know. I was like, I don't know. I was like, I don't know.

I was like, I don't know. I was like, I don't know. I was like, I don't know. I was like, I don't know. I was like, I don't know. I was like, I don't know. I was like, I don't know. I was like, I don't know. And he made me abort. And it's an external kind of obstetrics. And I still knew the girl because, you know,

I tried to ask for help, and the girl was going to say that... Stop it. Yeah, because you know, she was moscuting, and then she was going to tell me, there are two hearts, so you know, I'm in a coma. Not really. She told me, you know, she said,

she's super sweet, she's super, you know, kind and everything. And then one year, I's super sweet, she's super kind and everything. And then one year I said to myself, okay, that's enough. I'm going to look for help for the first time. And I said, you know, it's not my brother. Because he always says, go and see my brother. When the same things happen. So I said, you know, it's not my brother.

You know, I don't know my life in detail, but I'm here against my will, and it's not going well, and I need help. And finally, my mom comes out and talks to him, and she says everything. So I went home, and I can eat a little bit of veal. Oh, my God. And after an abortion, you can't sleep at night, but someone, a male, is in the limelight. He doesn't answer me every time, if you have two other holes.

And he sees me with clients, and they feel like I'm a bitch. So it's a girl who's going to come help me wash, because I'm a bitch and a co-worker. And the one I missed the most, older, and who takes care of everyone a little bit, like if it was a mother. Mathis, this girl, she saved my life, I don't know how many times. Did you feel that she had a little bit of compassion,

or do you think it's really... Oh, well, that's it, she was going to come and comb my hair, and she helped me get ready, comb my hair, and she told me that she was thinking of her little sister, and that it was for her that she did that. From what I may have been able to understand later, by reading between the lines, I have the impression that she started doing that to get her sister out of there. I think she took her place, I don't know. Stop it. I speculate.

But you know, she said she was there to save her sister, basically. Well, for her sister. I don't remember exactly the words she used. But with hindsight, it's a bit of a Solve M vibe that she had. But that's it, she's super sweet. And she's like, that's it. It's a mother for all the girls who went through that. It's a horror story.

I'm... I didn't expect to hear that. I'm a little traumatized. Well, I think what I'm most proud of right now, it's not even what I've lived, it's to tell myself that there are maybe other girls who are in there right now. And I wanted for years not to have denounced her because I thought, how many other girls? I didn't have the strength to denounce her, but how many other girls did that after that?

I don't know. I don't know. I wanted, for years, not to have denounced her because I was wondering how many other girls... I didn't have the strength to denounce her, but how many other girls did that after me? Were you aware of girls who came after you while you were there? Or were you always a bit of a news anchor? No, there was a big roll.. There were girls leaving, girls arriving. Some weren't there long. Some were there since forever. They were there for a long time.

It's like the time we're going to come back to Toronto, you know? It's all girls who arrived after me, you know? And they were all excited. And I'm like, I'm clearly in a rush right now. It can't end well this weekend. If my mom finds out, they'll never come back.

Do you have any times where you try to help someone? Like, say, I just want to... Well, there's one... It's not necessarily a warning, but there's one time I'll try... I'll take care of her, but it's the one who told me, she's going to join his family in Toronto. Basically, it was the evening of his party.

I think it was the first party I was with him, that he was celebrating. And they booked a kind of penthouse, like, I don't know how many floors, and it's on the top of the building. Typical of a movie, The big room, an apartment, I don't know how many rooms, three bathrooms, and there's no pool and everything. And that's it, of course, there's drugs. And I went into a moment where I'm conscious that I'm taking the drug

and I plan to take it because I know that if not, I'm going to get a brain I know that if not... Well, I was hooked on one and on the other, I know it's going to make my evening more pleasant. Well, not more pleasant, but less heavy, let's say. And it was really, I was getting emotional. And that's it, we're in that room. And we were having fun with two of her friends. And then she...

I don't want to have another one, but the guy who was coming down beat me in the basement and abused me in the basement of the bar. He's going to do the same thing he did to the other girl who's there. And she's going to lose her birth. So I'm going to beat her up and she's going to be the next one. So they ended up doing what they were going to do with me. She's getting old and he's making her go away. One day, in my book, his name is Joseph.

He's going to come home and he's going to tell me what happened here. I'm going to put my hand in his pocket and he's going to tell me, you're not going to do what I didn't know. You're going to be in trouble. You're going to be in a chum-sit. Check the state checking the room. Like, don't be an innocent. Stop taking me for a pie. And then, of course, she didn't come to get back on her feet.

So I cried at him to make him stop. And we let it go. So I went to the bathroom and stayed with the girl. And she was like, I don't care. So finally, that night, I took care of her. And the next morning, I told Joseph, she doesn't want to come back. So, we're pissed at her. She doesn't want to know about him.

And she was a little like... She was a little in the street, she had run away or I don't know. And he said, it's okay, she'll be able to come home. And you know, there's always room for friends. And it's fine, you know. And finally, I'll never see her again. So it's the weekend after I came back, he told me, he's going to his family in Toronto.

Stop. So he sold it, like? Well, with a recourse, that's what I think. Is that what they do, let's one who does what you learned afterwards? I don't know if you know a little bit about what happened afterwards, but... Yeah, because in Toronto, technically, Toronto, I had to stay with myself. It's just that he clearly had a kind of unhealthy obsession towards me, and in the end, that's what saved my life.

I went to him to tell him that he really loved me, but clearly he was quite distracted to be attached to me in a way. And he went and did, oh fuck off, I will keep this one. And he grabbed me by the arm and he got me out. And they tried to catch me in the car all along, Toronto, Montreal. Really? Because he tried to bring me back there. So clearly, I should have stayed there. Ouch.

Yeah. What drugs did he give you at the end? Did he have... Well, at the end? Did they have... At the end, did they take them? I was doing the powder, from Mont-Plin-Gré, and the speed of the hill. But it was the Pitcherange?

When I didn't listen, they were joking, and I didn't really know what it was, but I was really going... I wasn't there anymore what it was, but I was really going. The Roeham, surely. I was not there anymore. Oh, my God. I remember that I was locked in a room for three days, and then a few times when I came in, they came to get me

so I wouldn't say no. I was disconnected, I remember that it was as if I was above the room and I was looking up. I was not there anymore. But at that moment, you were 16, let's say, and I didn't care about anyone, but your parents, what did they ask you? That's after I came back.

I was just leaving, let's say, at the end of the week. You were saying, I'm going to the weekend. I'm going to my friends' place, and my parents were in Paris, so it's easy to say, I'm going to my dad's place, and I'm not going to go for real. You know, that's it, I don't know, my parents weren't really in a good mood, and I wasn't mega close to my dad's house and, you know, I didn't really go. My parents weren't really on good terms, and I wasn't really close to my dad. So, you know, he didn't talk to me, and you know... He thought you were still at your mom's house.

Yeah, he thought I was at my mom's house, and then I was at his house. You know, I had friends before it happened, and I often went to my friends' houses before it started. So, I said I was at my friends' houses, it started. So I would go to friends' houses. Sometimes I would go to Vendepark to avoid going home so that they would think I was at friends' houses. When at some point I saw no one, I didn't want them to say, you know, you're not seeing your friends anymore.

Do you feel like it's something that can happen to any 15 year old girl? Where there are specific things they will attack, let's say, profile types? Well, after me, maybe they will test the field and they will, depending on how you will bite the dark blade, let's say, there they will decide if it can work or not, I guess. But, you know, I was very banal at the time. But, you know, at the same time, I was the one who came out really big.

You know, all my friends, you know, were, you know, a little nerdy, you know? And I was the one, the flyer, who had all the time, you know, weird cuts, weird clothes, and who had 46,000 things to do. So I had the profile of the rebel and the... So, I don't know, maybe they...

With the experience, they know which girl is going to be. I think so. It's hard to put your finger out. Yeah, because I've been trying to understand for a long time. What did that day do? So that he decides to... That it was you. That it was me. Because we were a gang of girls.

So why me, that day? It's a question that's been running in my head for years. And how did you decide to finally, and when, to report? And did you report everyone in? She didn't report. Basically, when I decided that it was over, that I was going to die, because I was at the end of my life.

I reached the bottom. If he didn't kill me, I would have been there. I couldn't live there anymore. So this time, I was like... I was all over the place. I was at the place where I died. So that's it. He came back. He brought me... We had a fight last week. We hadn't seen each other for two or three weeks. He came to our house, were hugging the whole week. It had been two or three weeks since we saw each other. He came to pick me up at my place, in Tabarnak.

It was a fight. He came to his friend's place. They were all in a fight. He said, go get ready, they're waiting for you. I was going to go to the bathroom. I was just going to say, OK, I'm going to the bathroom. I went to the bathroom. I know he left, let's going to put me in the bathroom? So I go to the bathroom and I know that he left, the way it was done, I know he left to the living room and I have like a 30-second exit door.

So I know where the keys are and I don't have a driver's license, but I go running, I take the keys and I get in the jeep and I sack my car. The others realize that the minute I put the keys in the car and I get in the Jeep and I lock my car. The other people realize that the minute I put the keys in the car, it starts to yell outside and the three of them are outside. The minute it starts to yell, they follow me with another truck and they will come and make me a tonneau and I will end up in a cliff. So they left me there for dead.

And then, I'm in the Jeep, and it has a road cage. There are metal bars in a Jeep, so that the vehicle doesn't crash. Sometimes, when you put it in the desert, they make tunnels and they do it on purpose. But the cage managed to fold, the number of tunnels I made, and I don't even know how I got out of there.

I remember being in the car, and I lost consciousness at some point. I had a feeling of being in a sedative, and I was like, it's turning, I don't know what's going on. And one day I was there. When I woke up, I was in the truck, and it smelled like gas. I didn't even realize that my head was upside down. I detached myself and I scratched the can in the back of the car.

And then I looked for the handle, I couldn't find it. I didn't understand what happened. When I was outside, I had a flash of seeing the jeep going backwards with the wheels. The wheels were still spinning a little, and I had no idea where it would have come out. Even at the hospital, I saw lights and I was like,

if they went down, I'll go. And I lost consciousness and finally it was firefighters. So he took me to the hospital, of course. And at the hospital, I hear a doctor, I don't know, with the police. And they didn't think it was me driving. In fact, they never suspected that I was the one who was driving. They said it must have been ejected.

The driver took the leak and we couldn't find it. So they're still thinking that I wasn't the one who was heating up. So you never said anything? I never said anything. But at that moment, if you remember, Joseph told me to leave my own card in our house. I just had my fake card. And because of the famous abortion, whatever, with that fake ID card,

he was the one who called me. So he told me, we called your brother and he didn't come. So I'm still a little bit in the dark. I'm a bad singer. And now he's the one who's coming. So at that moment, I said, it's over.

The police are still here. If you don't clear your camp here, I'll throw you all the gang. If it's over, I don't want it anymore. So he's going to let me go, he's not done with me, he knows his camp. But he let me rest for years

before trying to come back years Years later, you know. So, how many times now? It's the moment when I really want to get out of it. It's the same. Now you're 16. I'm bringing that back. It's a friend. For love. No, no, I know.

I'm a little confused. But to live all that as a friend, it's like... He came back years later. Yes. How old were you at that time? At that time... Twenty-three quarters. I was like 19, about 19...

Yeah, 19, 20 years old. When the accident happened? No, when he came back. Okay, so the accident, yeah, that's it. So, you know, 13 years a little later, let's say. They decide that, like, I'm going to see if... Is it a three-year fear that you had the trouble to get out of your house? How did those three years go? Yeah, it was a three-year, a little weird.

The first few years, especially, there's a kind of fear, you know, they've already come to get me. So, you know, I walk down the street and... I already ran into the ditch because and I was already in the ditch, because I had a car in the distance, in the middle of the night. I didn't have anyone to see me. So it was a couple of days.

Did you ever ask to move? Your parents never moved? No, never. After that, it changed my character. One year, I realized that that it's a little bit... The first time, he called me, he was harassing me. He was calling me, sending me messages, telling me to go to the tavern, to go get it,

and it wouldn't work. And this time, it was like radio silence. And I think that one year, you're like, OK, I think I can maybe start living, trying to live a life without a normal life. I will also meet people. At the end, when I create my camp, I'm making a circle of friends. I met people who hold on to me visibly and who I know I can trust.

It gave me the strength. I'm not alone in the world. I'm not alone anymore. When you're isolated and you have no friends, you feel like, OK, what am I going to do with my skin after? I have no friends, I have no one, I have nothing. I'm going to take sabbaticals because my grandmother dies and they diagnose me with anti-rheumatic. So if I'm behind, after two months of school, my mom...

I had to stop. I was at the end. Without her knowing all that. But I promised to go back to school. So my mom agreed to let me take a sabbatical. And I went back. The year after, I finished my high school. You also had a physical and psychological exhaustion.

I was at the end of my life, a brain. I think I've easily rebuilt myself. I still have a kind of pig character. So, that's it. One year, I did that. I took it on myself. It's been a while since you've heard the news. It's going to be fine. Try to keep moving forward.

It's because at the same time, even if you say that, it's sure that little flashes of like, if he did that, if he caught the dog that I'm saying something, so he decides to... It's sure that despite everything, even if you say, OK, I saw my little life train, it's still something that despite everything, even if you say, OK, I've seen my little train of thought, it's still something that haunts you. Oh yeah, well, you know, at that time,

you know, that's my grandma. I was really close to my grandma. My grandma had lived a long time with us and I really had a very good relationship with her. And I didn't have much to profit from all of that to tell my mom that I'm going to have a shrink. So, you know, I'm going to have a psychologist, and I'm going to go to my psychologist, to talk to her, and she's going to see a psychologist and I'm going to talk to her.

She's going to help me with tools to get through the process. There's a fear that's real, but there's also a fear that's a little unreal. So it's finding the difference between the two. And you know, what's normal? Yes, it's normal sometimes to... And it's for sure that she's going to try to convince me to denounce him and to complain, you know. But it's getting so far away and I really don't want her to come back in my life. And you know, the kind of fear that he's not alone, if I'm going to get him, how many will come to us? Oh, Lick., you never know.

That's it, I don't announce it. And when he came back in the 19th century, in fact, according to me, he made me live a long time, because he would have seemed to get me stuck one evening by making me pass by someone who was in a panic. And I, all my good faith, I stopped to help, and it was the others. That's not true. So, yeah, yeah, yeah.

And then I got scared, and I left on the side of the road. And then, I ended up in the hospital. Again. And that's a bit of my... At that moment, I decided to complain. In fact, I want to complain. That's my idea behind all this. I'm like, okay, you know... scared, but I have to report it.

I was at the hospital, they sent me two investigators, one investigator and one... I was with someone else. They arrived at the hospital and they didn't believe me. I closed myself. And you know, what I find a shame, sure that at the time, well, it was maybe, you're an old man, at the time it was maybe less...

I was hoping that today, let's say, the police will do it. Would you like to see one of my colleagues? You know, he could have sent me a colleague. Today he offered him, he said, he often feels like it. Well, that's it. So then he came, he put me in, I closed myself totally. So I changed my mind. I don't want to report. So, you know, what happened, who was it, what was it, you know.

I don't know, I don't know. It was a black vehicle, a VVS. I gave the answer to some bad descriptions. Well, He was in Barwette that night. There was a guy who was a little violent with a girl. I don't know exactly the whole story. He himself denounced himself to the police. But it was in the same area and it coordinated a fight. So now they're sure it's him. So there was a kind of investigation with that.

But then one year I was like, no. And then, speaking, I ended up telling them the truth. They explained that, like, that night, I panicked, that I was scared, that, basically, it was my ex who came back, and that, you know, that I was afraid of him and everything. And instead of, like, investigating and wanting to help me, well, I lied to them. So they investigated me.

And they trained me in justice for my public good, because I lied to them. Ben moi je les ai menti, fait que ils ont inquiété sur moi et puis ils m'ont traîné en justice pour mes faits publics parce que j'ai menti. Ah si tu gagnes, si t'as une marque de colis que je tapeau. Fait que cette fois-là pendant deux ans de procédure plus tard, je suis enceinte grosse de même de ma fille devant le juge, puis monsieur le juge me dit, tu sais, clairement que, tu sais, toute cette histoire-là, c'est de ton passé. I'm sure you understood, because it took me two years before I got to go to court. So I didn't have any files. I did 200 hours of work as an author in St. The world exploded in the middle of summer. What was the lie you told in the book? I made a false statement. I knew who it was, but I lied. I said whatever, to get the point.

Because I was afraid that he would find out it was him. And I was so scared that I didn't want him to find out it was him. But since I stopped someone, ironically, he became someone who was part of my life a little later. Oh yeah? That Nowhere one night, our stories, our concorded stories. Well, it's a guy's charm, in fact, who has problems with drinks. It's that it's true. She did better thanks to me. He lost my daughter a little at the time.

He came to me and said, I wanted things I wasn't proud of in the past. And you know, like that. And I went to Bernouche. I sat there, she was there, it was me. Oh, come on. And I was like, fuck it, I'm going to fuck you up. It was me. Oh, come on. So, it was ironic. But yeah, that's it. He was not a drunkard, he was a client. No, no, no. He's the guy I've been courting, I'm talking about. He's the one who complained to the police because that night he was in a dark room

and he had brushed his blonde a little. She said, brush it a little, that's the words she chose. No, no, but it's like, well, it's because, you know, I weigh my words, but you know, well, he came to announce himself, because he wasn't proud of what he was about to do, and he was like, I'm going to get upset at IS, and you know, it's at that moment that he said,

I have a little problem, and he decided, you know, he also decided to go get help, you know, in the end. So it fell on him. They joined these two. At the beginning, they realized that it wasn't linked at all. They told me to go back to the post office. I opened the door and said, I lied to you, I know the guy.

But they never tried to find him. They stopped. She lied to us. So we bring you to court for that. But there's no... Hey, for example, do you need help? No. Fuck all. I understand what I did was wrong.

I mean... You lied to you for protection. Yes, yes. I can understand. Yes, I lied, I admit it. It's not right. Fine. But lied, I admit it, it's not correct. Fine. But you would still have, OK, pursue me, at the limit, if it's correct, I lied to you. Fine.

But give me your help for what I just told you. I had the impression. No, but he stopped. He did a survey on the person, did surveys. There were no surveys that were made on this. They didn't ask more questions, actually. I told them it was my ex, I was afraid of him, and he had already threatened me, blah, blah, blah. They didn't try him any more questions. I told him he was my ex, I was afraid of him, and that he'd already threatened me, blah blah blah, and they didn't try to know more about it.

They didn't offer me their help on that subject. And today, you never tried to report yourself? Well, basically, he came back in my life. He was 4 or 5 years old, he didn't stop coming to me. Or at the, and he kept on trying to kill me. At the end, he sent people to beat me up. Again?

Just with a message that you're always going to leave, you're always going to your life. Just to sow fear in me. So the last time, two years ago, he tried to kill me. So this time he ended up in prison. And he died in prison. I lived a moment of... Well, it's sure that it's a... You know, he's dead, it's over.

There's this kind of side of... Yes, finally, I'm finally going to have peace for real. But there's this kind of side... For me, it's easy to die. Everything stopped. That's what I thought. I didn't pay for what she did to me, because she did to so many other girls,

and to so many people in her life. Yeah, that's true. Did she pay someone to beat you up the last time, two years ago? Every time. When I or five, they had fun sending people to our place. Where was your daughter?

They followed me. And to a point, at the end, two years ago, they came to our place several times by infraction. And every time, it was when I didn't have my daughter. So, to what extent they followed me to find out that I had my daughter and that I didn't have my daughter. And anyway, that's it. This time, it was enough.

Did you call the police directly after? Actually, there was already a kind of investigation going on. Excuse me, I don't really have the right to talk about it. I can't go into the details of that, actually. I understand. My lawyer told me, because things are, the things are still a little short. Okay. Not in relation to him, clearly, because he's not there anymore.

But he was just a pawn in a game of chess. I understand. There are people above him. You can't say his name, but you're in the podcast. I can't. I won't name names. I don't name places either. My lawyer told me that.

Be careful with names, places, blah, blah, blah. But... That's it. But yeah. But before publishing this podcast, we can send it to you and your lawyer so that you can review all of this, if you want to. Well, it's from the moment we don't say that... Yeah, yeah, I understand.

You know, we don't publish it. In fact, that's it. Yeah, it's all the names and all that. You write your whole story anyway. Yeah, yeah, no, no, no, no, that's it. When I wrote my book, I talked to my lawyer and I was like, you know, you know where I can go, you know where I can't go. So that's it, the names.

I was a little careful with the timelines. So in the book, there are stories that are not necessarily in the right order. Okay, I understand. Just not necessarily... Okay, so I'm doubly tired of counting my time. No, no, no, no. It's okay. Oh my God.

So he died in the fortieth. Yes. Fortieth. How long was he in prison? It was still in court. It really wasn't long before. He was... It was two days, it was three days.

It really wasn't long. So, this evening is under investigation at the moment. That's what reassures me and that's what... I think that's what I've been wondering about since the first second of the podcast. I know, when you were there, I was like, I'm going to drink a little bit to get back to it. And then you told me, no, she didn't complain. And then it just made me stay in my head. And then you know, it's crazy how important it is to me to complain, even if I know it's...

All the courage, I tell you so much, bravo. Bravo and thank you for complaining, it's so important. In fact, that's what made you stop a little because of that. And then he stopped because that was it. He was starting to be a little too... a little too intense. And he was no longer allowed to pass through. He wasn't even allowed to pass through a small village. He was no longer allowed to cross the village.

I can give you an idea, because it's not big enough for him to... You're still in the same village? It's not big enough for him to respect the distance, no matter what he passes through in the city. So he got caught in the riot. He got arrested for not being able to get a condition. My lawyer told me... We're talking about two years ago. My lawyer told me that they have so much

to hold against him at the moment that you don't even need to testify. He honestly said, there's not enough. How long ago was that? I think there were other girls who didn't end up with complaints. When you have kids, you can't have all the details, obviously. But I knew there were other girls who ended up with complaints. Because one day, I was in contact with a lawyer,

and I ended up telling myself that it was a big fish to throw. If I continued, it could only survive against me. In what sense? I imagine it's a criminal organization. It's bigger than a person. It's so big, I don't know, they're not worried about trying to get close to certain people. It's not worth it.

They want too much. I don't know. I just wanted to answer that and I did it great. By the justice system. It's a little later that there are other elements. There are other people who have complained. It's been, I don't know, a while now, but... When he got caught in your village two years ago,

how long ago was it that you couldn't get back in your village? Not long ago. It's a story that happened at a fairly close time. It was like... it was like going back home by infraction. Oh, come on! A couple of times, not long after. And the too big fish, the organization, from what you know, these investigations, does it seem to be in your hands? Yes.

They said no, too big a fish. No, no, from what a big fish. No, no, that's what I understood. They're trying to make it fall, to go back up to where it can go. And I imagine they have enough proof. They're aware that there's a lot of things to do, but it's just that I guess it's not easy to make it fall because there are a lot of them. I've met a lot of people in all those times. So I guess it's not easy to connect everyone.

Who, what, and try to make everyone fall at the same time. Did you show me pictures? Were you involved in the research system? No, I didn't. Once, more than him, he was like... Well, I had like a fucking business in there. In the sense that, you know, at that moment, it's him. I didn't have that much business in there. You saw other guys in there?

Yeah, but I've been going back up there for years. It's been 15 years. If you show me pictures, I'll say, yes, there are people who sent people to our place. There are some faces I see identified as people who came to our place. But no, that's it. I wasn't involved. I could have been brought to testify,

but he was the one who, two days later, was finished. So, I got there. It scares you. When your book is out, because I'm in your place, I have a child. If he wasn't't died, it wouldn't have been released. I wouldn't have been able to.

But even if you know that it's an organization that is currently working on the fact that... What I understood later was that he really had an obsession with me, but that the others totally hid from me. There are many other girls who are able to find other girls, and they wash washing their hands. There is not one girl who wanted to threaten me directly, except at the time, let's say. So you are not afraid anymore at the moment, you are correct.

No, no, that's it. But let's say they see the book, they see the podcast, they have public attention towards that. Well, of course, I don't have a common name, so that's the only thing. But at the same time, I've been told that my book is pretty up-to-date. I'm not a pro-news anchor, I'm not always up to date. But I know that it's something that's been talked about a lot in recent months.

And that they're trying to get things going more and more. Well, bravo for your courage, your resilience. You're very impressive. Thank you. After all, I'm looking at you, you's a nightmare. I don't even know... It made me feel like I'm in the sense... It's plain to say, there, in a sense. But, you know, that's it. It forged my character.

And it made me who I am today, in the end. Like I was a little bit earlier, you know. I'm able to say that I'm a strong woman and... I feel like we're attached to our wounds because it allows us to grow, but you have to know that you could have been an exceptional person without that happening to you. And you didn't deserve that. Oh yeah, that's for sure. But I understand that we're attached to what happened to us. We don't have a choice.

I never wanted to pity her either. It's important for me that people understand that I find it super nice when people come and tell me, I liked your book, but people feel bad to say that they liked it because it's not fun in the end. I appreciated that you told me you liked my book. For me, French is zero to one bar. And I'm dyslexic. I have a co-author who helped me. The story is all about me, 100%, but he helped me to make it so that it lasts, that it's a pleasant story to read,

that it's catchy to read for people, that it doesn't feel like a joke if you're writing close. The letters are all my letters. So that's it, he corrected everything, but he also helped a lot with the restructuring. But that's it, otherwise, that's the story of everything. It's all about me. But, you know, just that my book comes out already in advance. It was like something big for me. And that's it. That people take the time to tell me that, you know,

I have a lot of people who write to me. You know, I didn't sleep at night. I'm not going to stop reading. I read them from a treat. I'm looking forward to reading. You know, I've been, you know, I find that like, you know, I find it really nice when people take the time to write a traitor. I'm a traitor. I'm a traitor. I'm a traitor. I'm a traitor. I'm a traitor. I'm a traitor.

I'm a traitor. I'm a traitor. I'm a traitor. I'm a traitor. I'm a traitor. I'm a traitor. I'm a traitor. I'm a traitor.

I'm a traitor. I'm a traitor. I'm a traitor. I'm a traitor. I'm a traitor. I'm a traitor. I'm a traitor. I'm a traitor. I'm a traitor. I'm a traitor. I'm a say that I managed to turn the page and that I went to something else.

And I love you. My way of going to something else is to do the quad boi. I would have liked to talk about when you decide to re-appropriate your body by returning to sex work on your own terms. Yes, yes. Is that... but the thing is that we've already wasted our time. But we can talk about Patreon, for example. But the thing is, we're already running out of time. But we could talk about Patreon, for example.

Would you have a little bit more time to give us? Well, yes, not too much. We could talk about it, if we have to. I feel like we could talk about it. I would like to know about your daughter, the fears you have about the traumas you have today. The impression that we have blown up the medical subject. At the same time, I encourage everyone to go read your book.

And can we follow you on social media? I have a very, very common name, Chloe Kim. It's not really me who's going to be the one to go, my mother is a butcher and those who follow me, Instagram, Facebook, I have author's pages too, but it's always nice to have people follow me on my personal websites. And I just want to know, to encourage people to denounce you, when you denounced yourself,

no matter when it happened, was the support better than before? Yes. I think just talking about it, I'm really scared to talk about it, and I've seen a lot of people protecting my loved ones through all of this. But I think talking about it, just back then, if I had told my mom,

my new chumsy, she would have clearly taken the flag off. So, just, you know, I had a good relationship with my mother, and it's not like I never talked to my mother, or whatever, you know. And I think that consciously, I knew from the beginning that it was... that everyone would have found it weird,

and that it wasn't everyone who had been there for me to see her, you know. So that's why I didn't talk to her at the beginning. After that, the fact that I protected her and everything ones came. But I think it's important not to be afraid to speak and to ask questions to our young people. To be sensitive to that because

at the time, it wasn't a topic we really talked about. We told our children, if you're a foreigner, you get candy, you don't get on the bus. I think that's how it stopped. You didn't speak about Belle Sacoche. I think that today, yes, it's... A collusion. ... you know, it's a fugitive, or I was talking about my book.

I know that there are schools that only have cured people. I think that at a certain age, it's a subject that can be important to talk about, actually. And it's about being... paying attention about details. When your youths close themselves off, sometimes it's not just because they're full of water

and they change. I think it's important to ask questions and to be very open. And to be very kind to the youths. Yeah, it's crazy. And also, you know, we had met someone who had done grooming, who had been through grooming. Who had been through grooming. Are you talking about Gabrielle's story? No. You know, grooming, it's... Yeah, yeah, I know.

You know, it's with the lawyer who was there. And anyway, if you put people who don't want to complain because they don't have the strength to get involved in a big process. There's a way to go and tell the police without complaining. And eventually, if you decide to come back later, you can... And it's going to be like... And then, at least you remember all the details. You've been complained, if you want.

So, anyway, there are a lot of things you can do. You've been supported by the police and all that. You're aware that... It's better. The step of everything has evolved. Yes, that's good. I'm happy. And the other asshole, the policeman, did you have a lot of complaints against him? After my trial, let's say I watched him, when I left the room, I listed a kind of sleep-inducing thing, it was your two ears.

That's it, I would complain against him, but no. So we'll see each other in the Patreon. Thank you again. I'll be at the book fair in Quebec on March 12-13, if I ever have the chance to come and see me. I don't know if the podcast will be released. We'll see. I'm glad that on March 12-13, Yana will come and see me. I don't know if the podcast will be released. There are several shows, I told you about them.

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