Shaun Newman Podcast - #1004 - Jack Millikan

Episode Date: February 19, 2026

Jack Millikan is an entrepreneur and future mayor of St. Louis City. He also happens to be the producer of this podcast and the one writing this writeup. Tickets to Cornerstone Forum 26’: https://www.showpass.com/cornerstone26/Silver Gold Bull Links:Website: https://silvergoldbull.ca/Email: [e-mail] Grahame: [phone]Bow Valley Credit UnionBitcoin: www.bowvalleycu.com/en/personal/investing-wealth/bitcoin-gatewayEmail: [e-mail] Get your voice heard: Text Shaun 587-217-8500

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Today I'm joined by Jack Milliken. Sir, thanks for hopping on. Hey, thanks for having me, Sean. Always a pleasure, as they said. The editor is making me redo it, folks. I am going to, after I've done it clinging, I am going to point it out that you made me redo it. Regardless, St. Louis, Jack back on the podcast.

And we're trying out, me and two, Jack wasn't in on this conversation. Me and two's been having issues with streamer on the mashup. And so we started searching out different streaming platforms. we landed on this one. And so we're going to see what Jack thinks of it because you're going to edit this and be like, this was a terrible, terrible decision.

Or maybe we found something. I don't know. I don't know. How's Jack doing? Life's good, man. I'm really focused on. I'm locked in. Probably since the last time we talk,

I think there's been a lot more clarity in my life. You know, as far as, you know, what I want to pursue, what I plan for my life to look like in the future. And so I know a lot of people say, if you want to make God laugh, tell them your plans. But perhaps it's my extreme hubris. But I think all of my plans are going to work out. Well, that's the type of optimism we want on this side.

When you say you got plans for your life, I'm curious. What are you, you know, like I know your business aspirations, right? Like from working with you here on the back end, most people I think that are listening. But although in fairness, it's been 628, right? It's almost been, what would that be, almost 400 episodes since you were last on here. So, you know, I have to assume we've added in a few new listeners here and there, and there's a few that probably don't know who you are. And so I guess maybe I should start there. Jack, give them a quick synopsis of who you are.

Yeah, I was, I'll tell you how, we'll start with how you and I got introduced. So I was at a point in my life, I was 21. I had no idea what I was doing with my life. I was very, very scared of the future. I was working at a country club as a bag boy for minimum wage. just carrying golf clubs around and didn't do college. I had a full scholarship to college. I failed out because, you know, for me, I just couldn't see the, you know, the value of what I was learning to,

I couldn't place that in the market, if that makes sense. So I couldn't figure out why I was learning college algebra and how I was going to apply that to making money, which is, you know, effectively the point of college, as I understand it, at least. And so I failed out of that. And then I just, at this country club, I started asking a bunch of people, hey, I'm I'm interested in sales. Maybe you can hire me for your job because these are business owners. And so I go into sales. I'm sitting in a cubicle for a couple of years. Everyone's 30, 40 years older than me. I'm being told where I need to be and when I need to be there. And so I started my own

podcast, had people asking for help on the podcast. Once I learned that I could make money on it, I put my two weeks in at my job. And you were one of the very first calls that I made because we were introduced by a mutual friend, Vance Crow. And I remember I was sitting outside of my office talking to you in my car. I don't know if you remember that conversation, but I certainly do. And we're figuring it out. And so, you know, I'm like, you know, you gave me a chance. And you were my very first client ever, I believe. So that's a cool story. Yeah, three years, three years plus later, I've been running my own business and running a podcasting business, podcasting agency, both, obviously I can do it. If you're all the way up,

in Canada or all the down here in St. Louis and I've been doing that for a while now. So you know, I, there's moments in a, uh, entrepreneur's life where you're like, you start it with an idea and then somebody gives it a flame like they believe, like, you know, a little bit of belief goes a long way. I didn't realize. I knew it was early. I just didn't think I was the first, you know. Maybe I, maybe I spun it that way. Yeah. Yeah. Well, you know, and the thing is is, have we been perfect together? No, we've had her, ups and downs, right? Like, but the thing about, uh, uh, doing something new, in my case, not editing every bloody podcast, um, you know, I, I've, I'm sure I've given Jack a few gray hairs. Well,

heck, he shaved them all off folks for the podcast. That's what I see, right? It's like, I've probably given you more gray hairs than, uh, than anyone just on, you know, sometimes I can be, a little bit temperamental, uh, when it comes to my timeline on getting things to you, you know? Oh, Sean, you are, you are one of those. of the least problematic clients I've ever had. I'll tell you that right now. You wouldn't believe some of these horror stories of people that are high and drunk and they're calling me at 3 a.m. and freaking out and working with you has been a smooth ride from this side of the tracks. Really? People calling you at 3 in the morning. There are people that are crazy, man. You know,

when you're young and you're starting a business, you don't know how to set boundaries or what to do. So you're just like, hey, whatever I can do to make money. I mean, and make these people as happy as possible. it. And so, yeah, I've matured in that sense for sure as far as how to run a proper business. That's an interesting point, setting boundaries. When did you learn that? I really learned them in the last six months. Probably, you know, a year ago is probably when it started to. But in the last six months, I partnered with a friend of mine. And he was very, he just taught me how to do it. I mean, you know, because we balance each other out very well on one side of it. I'm give the client everything, whatever they

They ask for whatever it takes, blah, blah, blah, do it. Do it, do it. And he's like, hey, we are running a business. We have to think about, you know, if we have 20 clients, we can't be doing this for every client. We need to set in systems and operations that respect our time, right? We're equal partners in this effectively. And before I was operating out of like this person's doing me a favor, not, you know, we're exchanging equal value. And so equal boundaries should be set.

You know, the boundaries thing is something that I wrestle with, you know, I think we all wrestle with us. So like when I was first started out full time, you can imagine, I'm like, I'm riding around a bike jack going, I will literally, you want to, you want to do a podcast, I'm going to figure it out. You want me to do this? I'm going to figure it out. And then there just comes this time where you're like, I think I'm, have I made it? No. I think that mentality at any point is a bad mentality. But there's a time where you're like, I think, I think I've kind of crossed this threshold of like I don't need to act like I need to be at everyone's beck and call every 10 seconds of the day because that is stressful. Now, I haven't had the 3 a.m. calls, but certainly I've had some

angry individuals call me and lose their absolute beans. And that used to eat me up. And now I feel like I've graduated into the next realm, if there is. I'm sure somebody will now take the challenge and really chew me a new one and that'll suck. But the boundaries is a really important one. really, really important one. Man, something, something you said in there that, like, the feeling of, like, whether you made it or not, you know, and I'm curious to hear your story as well. But for me, like, I'm probably, I'm on the cusp of having, being able to take a breath after three years, a breath of like, okay, this is like, this isn't something that I have to, you know, be spinning my tires on.

Here's this, you know, machine that I have that's working that I can project out having a family into the future now. You know, I'm around a lot of people that. that either are getting married very fast and they kind of rush into it, or the opposite side of it, people are not getting married because, you know, specifically my male friends are staying away from that because they're terrified that they're never going to have serious, you know, structure or serious safety net.

They don't feel like they're secure. And yeah, I think that's like a major problem that I see a lot of people going through right now. Safety net. Yeah. I don't think I was ever a young guy and thought that. When you say they're worried about not having enough structure and a safety net, you mean like having a full-time job and a house bought and like kind of their life together. I think, yeah, I think so.

I think what people my age, like they can see now is that, you know, you are expendable if you work a corporate job or you work kind of a standard job that you got from going to college. I mean, especially with the age of AI, you're looking at this and going, their jobs are going to be falling off left and right. I mean, I'm, I can't start a family. I can't, let alone buy a house. I can't even own a dog. Like, what am I supposed to be doing with myself right now?

I have no idea. Hmm. That's a, you realize no matter what, if the economy was doing great, doing crappy, AI, no AI, all the things. Like, there's never a good time to start a family except for right now. Yeah, I hear that a lot, man. Truthly, you, you, you, I think, I'm speaking. speaking for my audience when it's like literally the first mel and i were just talking about this first probably three if not five years of our marriage we were rubbing pennies together like we're just broken

bills coming out your ears and like you know and then you have your first kid and that's a huge learning lesson and now you're paying for that and then then you have the second one and now you're just like where's the money going how are we going to make this work oh wait sean you want to start a podcast real smart time real smart time right so like I guess it's interesting to the young man. I would be like, there's never a good time. There's never the perfect time to start a family. We'd all love to have a million dollars in the bank.

Everything paid for. Everything's just smooth. But even if that was smooth, children are going to throw an absolute wrench in that. I think we could agree that there are people in certain scenarios, you know, like my dad's a judge. And when he has to deal with people that, you know, have children and are committing crimes and these types of things, you know, I think we could agree, you know, this person probably shouldn't have had children when they did. They should have gotten their life together. And so maybe the challenge right now is, you know, there is that line, there is that threshold that we can kind of agree, but

that line has been blurred, you know, in culture and society of like, when is that time? When I'm not committing crimes? Is that when it's a good time to have children or, you know, it's, I mean, I would just suggest don't commit crimes. Yeah, right, right, right. I mean, I don't know. We come, I mean, maybe walk me through St. Louis then. Like, is it that, is the economy that rough? It's, the economy is, I don't think so.

I mean, here I am, I think people need to have agency over themselves and take, take action over their own lives, and then you don't have to worry about anything. But it's not the economy, but it's definitely the sentiment, the feeling that people have I mean, St. Louis for sure is, St. Louis is a dying city. We just lost 20,000 people in the last few years that have left. And so it's almost like a ghost town now to a lot of people. And so there's that feeling of emptiness, of hopelessness. And if people aren't going to move to California or New York or even, you know, Nashville or these, these cities that are growing, I think that there is a, what's the word I'm looking for? A, a, a system.

that people feel of, you know, if the city's dying, then my opportunity is also dying. I do think people's psyche are attached to the overall sentiment of the, you know, area that they're living in and their surroundings. I would argue to those people that are worried about that, if they're moving to California and New York, you say, see ya, and you let them go there because all the places I'd be moving, California and New York do not cross my mind one iota. I say, you just got rid of some baggage. Let's roll now. I don't know.

I see Jack trying to do big things. I mean, what is this mayor, 2037? Uh-huh. Yeah, I've officially announced it, and I'm going to be going about it a very unconventional way, but I plan to run for mayor 11 years from now. It's 2037.

I'm currently 26. So I'll be 37 at the time. And, you know, like I said, like I'm just kind of briefly mentioned, You know, people are absolutely hopeless in St. Louis. The city has been destroyed by identity politics. It's been destroyed by, I don't want to say progresses. Maybe I have to be careful with kind of how I described this.

But, you know, these people that have made it their calling to focus on vanity metrics and focus on aesthetic victories and not actually moving the infrastructural needle forward. And that's been, for an example, you know, our mayor, Tashara Jones, previously, she was pretty much defund the police. And our police force, we lost a lot of police. The morale of the police has been gone down. And then you couple that with the prosecuting attorney that we had, the attorney's office. She wasn't prosecuting criminals. So the police would go arrest these people and then they would just get out immediately. And so that played a major, major part in hurting the city's brand identity, I should say. Now, St. Louis has been dying

since probably the 50s, but it's just on top of it, on top of it. I mean, the St. Louis needs someone that has kind of just tells everyone, hey, shut the hell up and let's go in this direction. So we're very divided. We don't have a lot of leadership here, and I see that. I don't want to run from air, but I'm never moving away from this city. So, 50s. bigger if you can't, if you can't beat them, join them and beat them from the inside. What, why 11 years? 11 years is, it's going to take, I have, so we've got, the way that our structure is, you know, I have councilmen from cities, ours are called aldermen.

We have 14 aldermen, and I'm going to take that 11 years, A, to build up the 14 aldermen that are also on board with me and that we have similar mindsets, and we're all going to run at the same time because we need a unified force in St. Louis. If the mayor and its office and the board of aldermen and the aldermen are at odds, nothing's going to move. It's just going to be standstill. So I need all of that. And then the other kind of piece of it is we had a 25% voter turnout for St. Louis for the mayor. And I don't think that any of the 25% that voted would ever vote for me. They're either kind of institutional people or they're very progressive, you know, left-leaning people that wouldn't like the way that I operate. And so my goal is to be over the

next 11 years build up such a significant amount of trust and educate the population that on how the government works, who does what in the government, build up so much trust that the 75% is coming out to vote for me, not the not the 25% is the 75% that has never voted. So there's, and I think that's going to take years and years and years of building up trust from people because I have started a social media page and I'm seeing over and over and over again people saying voting doesn't matter in St. Louis. Voting doesn't matter in St. Louis.

A lot of that is from, they have no idea how the system even works in the first place. So if you can educate them, if you can be transparent with them, I think you can get a significant amount of people that have never voted to actually vote. Well, my hat's off to you, Jack. That's, I mean, you know, when I was just talking,

talking to Tanner Ney was literally just sitting in here and we were having to chat and people can't see it. But going back to the days of the book club, I'm looking at it right now, sorry folks. We do a vision board, right? It's kind of a, you know, some people laugh at it. I'm like, I don't know. It just works. I think it's good. And one of the things I was, somebody picked it up on here because I was doing a life vision board. Where do I want to be at the end? You know, so when I look at 11 years, it's not that I'm, I just find 11 years peculiar. That's all. Not five, not two, 11.

Okay. Now, on the flip side of that, Jack, I, I was, okay, start with the end in mind. I was like, okay. Well, I just passed a thousand episodes. That's pretty cool. Yeah, that's pretty cool. What's the next big number?

I'm like, well, the next big number, honestly, in my brain, folks, forgive me, isn't doubling. It's 10 times. 10,000 episodes. And I'm like, okay, If I were to do this consistently like I've been doing, how long would it take to get there?

I would be 84 years old. To get to 10,000. Holy crap. Yeah. Wow, man, that is awesome. So I'm like, am I putting that on a board? I haven't done it yet. I'm just like, I'm sitting there and like, you know, I want to do this for the rest of my life.

I love this job. I love sitting here and talking to people. And finding out what, you know, actually, I was just writing it down, you know, one of the things that led me to this was in the middle of COVID, just trying to understand what the heck people are talking about. But as soon as you start listening and start listening to all sides, then you start realizing, wait a second,

the official narrative doesn't make any sense, right? I'm not saying they all got it right, but some of what they're saying goes against the narrative and the narrative doesn't make sense. So I'm saying here, and I'm going, 84, that is a career, man. That is almost a 50-year career in podcasting. And to think about that, that's a, it's not a big decision. It's like, yeah, I want to do that. But starting with the end in mind is interesting because then you can point towards it. And, you know, now are these things pulling you off where you want to get to, you know? And I think about that with being a mirror. I'm like, well, you want to be a mayor. Okay. That's an interesting choice. That wouldn't be, that person wouldn't be my choice. But once again, you've clearly stated, I don't want to leave St. Louis. So how are we going to do this? We have to find a way to change the, the direction. of where my city's going. Well, one way to do that is certainly in the mayor's office, right,

a politician's life. Yeah, that's an interesting, 11 years to get there. Yeah, you know, hey, most people don't think in decades. I mean, most people are thinking, you know, two years, spans max. Most people don't even do that. I would say majority of the North American population, Jack, I don't know. Not this audience, sorry folks, but majority of people, people are living month to month, six months to six months. That's about it. It took me interviewing a ton of people overseas to start to understand we operate in four year cycles with elections and everything. And we don't really break out. We don't start to, oh, really that long out? And it took a multiple guess for me to start to realize I should start operating from a longer

train of thought than even year by year. Absolutely. I mean, you just, you'll beat everybody that way too. Not that, you know, you're in competition with anyone necessarily, but... I'm in competition with myself. I want to be better every day. It's annoying. I wish I could wake up and go, you know what? A thousand was good. That was good enough. Do you wish you could wake up and be content with that? No. No, no, no, because it doesn't drive me. What drives me is waking up and being like, who do I get to talk to today? Who can I go track down? I wish it was, I wish it was closer to Joe Rogan's guest list. I think that'd be a lot of fun. Why do you wish it was closer to Joe Rogan's guest list? Were his guests more interesting than yours? No, not the interesting factor. Just the

ability to, but maybe I'll be bored by then. I don't know. I wish I had the ability to just put out to the world, uh, I want to have on Elon Musk and Elon Musk is on in the next six months. or you want to have on in my world, I don't know, do we want Prime Minister Mark Kearney on here? Sure. Would I say no? No, I wouldn't. I'd be very interested to have that coming. Is it ever going to happen?

Well, I don't believe in never. So there's a possibility. It's slim. And I'm not saying, you know, Joe Biden would have went on Joe Rogan. I guess I'm just like, eventually I want to graduate into where it's like you put out a text to somebody. And they're like, yeah, I want to go on. that. Like, I can see the clamoring to get on Joe Rogan. Right. Right. Now, on the flip side of that, on the flip side of that, you go, they go everything through him with a fine tooth comb, right? Like,

he is, he is a big podcast. Here's what I've been thinking about is, and I mean, I'm, I'm not kidding you. When I've, even though it's 11 years away, I've been having nightmares since I made it, you know, practical in my mind and set it out loud. about running for mayor, but I mean, I'm, I'm concerned with, you know, the safety of my future children and my wife. I'm concerned with the public eye being on me. Like, I don't want any of that. I mean, I can't even imagine, you know, I mean, even you right now, you have a, you have a significantly larger audience than, you know, I do, or most people that I know. And then you get to Joe Rogan's level. It's like, how do you, how do you even deal with that, that publicity where, you know,

as far as the children, where you're at school, are you sending them to? And, you know, where, you letting them walk around the neighborhood and are you able to walk around the neighborhood and you know you start thinking about that and this stuff doesn't look as attractive in my opinion yeah i was just i just read a post on us the other thing that i worry about is i don't worry about that stuff what i worry about probably the most is the people closest to me to me if you ever become that successful won't tell you what they actually think right because they They see you as, well, I don't know, they put you on some pedestal or they're working for you or all these different factors, right? You think the post I'm thinking of is Britney Spears.

Guy wrote a post on her and it's just very fascinating. So like to keep the people around you that disagree with you and go, Sean, you're a knucklehead. That is a dumb thing to try and do. Oh, that's healthy. I need those healthy people around me because to just be told you're amazing all the time. that doesn't do anything. Like, that probably leads you down a very dark path. You need a little bit of it to keep your sanity in the dark times when everybody's saying,

you know, you've lost your mind. But overall, I think, I don't know, the thing about, like, fame,

if you ever did get there, where, like, everybody knows your name is, can you keep people around you that bring you back down to earth and be like, you're not that special? Like, truthfully.

I assume Rogan has that. Right, right. I mean, you have to find, you know, this is why a lot of famous people will only hang out with other famous people is because at least they know they're not trying to get their fame necessarily. You know, and I think this is a muscle that you have to, you know, the earlier you start the better. But, you know, I have a practice with my friends and Benjamin being one of them, you know, for instance, on an annual basis, we get together and have a very, very hard conversation with each other about, you know, hey, I see this pattern in your life. do not think it is positively affecting you and it's going to continue to hurt you and that doesn't sound as intense as it actually you know is in a moment it's extremely intense right and so and we take that and then we bring that out into our daily lives and we do this with with each other constantly now

of you know just having setting that uh setting that boundary right away the boundary being tell me if i'm screwing up and and you have to repeatedly do this over and over and over again um Because otherwise, I mean, you know, that's, that was a big conclusion that I came to from Vance, you know, our mutual friend Vance is like, you need to be a mirror for your friends. So I think, you know, if you, I guess maybe I'm saying all this in a long winded way of saying, you know, it needs to start with you being the one that confronts people in, in your life and it has hard conversations even when you don't want to do it or even when it's not necessary sometimes. Because that will be reflected back to you if you do that over a long enough period and do that. enough with the right people. Yeah, well, that makes, I mean, that's right out of Proverbs, if I'm being honest. What's Proverbs say? Not to rebuke a fool, but a wise man will understand exactly, you know, like we'll be able to temper himself and be like, hmm, yeah, you're probably right.

I'm, once again, do I know a scripture by hand like Tanner and a day, folks? No, I do not. But, I mean, it's over and over and over again. And it's a very, you know, it's a very, interesting thing for a young man to be able to do that. Full stop. Right? Like, that's uncomfortable. I see this pattern in your life and it probably isn't healthy. My immediate response as a young man would have been a couple of explicitives and off. Right? When I tell my family about this, that's what they say too. I just went through having staff infection my leg. Yeah. Yeah, what's going on

there. Oh, so I coach U11 hockey practice or U11 help coach and just took a stick off the shin from one of the kids. Nothing big. You know, like a little, like less than a dime. That's how big the cut was. Like it was tiny. And I didn't think much of it. And then, you know, I think a week went by. It just wasn't feeling 100% but it didn't look out of place. But I, I don't know. So I pulled the scab off, put some prox. side in bandaged it up thinking I'm being all smart and then the next like three days are some of the longest days of my life like full stop I'm I'm trying to remember a day where I was like that ill and I didn't know what was going on I thought it was the flu we we played hockey uh sorry I coached my son's hockey team in one of the games of warmups one of our players starts puking everywhere like the flu's going

around so I just assume I got the flu then we get to our next game the day after and I'm all sudden like I can hardly walk on my leg at this point. And I'm still not putting two and two together, right? I'm thinking I got the flu and I'm just thinking my leg sore and whatever. So I call my sister-in-law, who's a nurse practitioner. And she's like, can you send me a picture your leg? Can you walk me through the chain of events? She's like, you need to go to the hospital now. By the time I got to the hospital, it just started oozing. It didn't stop oozing for eight days straight. Dear Lord, man. But it's funny. So I'm sitting there. The reason I tell the story, I mean, because probably the audience was curious about it, right?

I feel like I was for a week of the podcast. I made sure I didn't miss because I don't like missing podcasts. But I'm not saying I was there either. Anyways, I'm sitting there and I'm like, you know, I'm praying about it. I'm just like, yeah, I really don't want to lose my legs. You know, like what a weird thing to be sitting there. And it's funny, I've been reading Galatians talking about the, Paul, talking about basically serving the same.

spirit versus serving the flesh and how they're at odds with each other. If you're serving the flesh, then you're not serving the spirit and vice versa. And I was like, man, I wonder what things I could cut out of my life like tomorrow that would be beneficial to me long term, like in the next 10 years. And it's interesting when you're in a place of like, I don't know if I'm about to lose my leg or not, you get real clear on that stuff real fast. Now becomes the discipline of enacting it to actually go on forth and go do it. right but like yeah i tell you what i i'm getting put getting humbled at i don't feel that old now compared to you i got a couple of years but i don't feel that old i feel like i got a lot left to do

but almost a little nick taking out the old leg that was an interesting gut check time for me man yeah that's that's uh figuring out that i mean you're you're 37 how old are you right now Oh, I turned 40 in April. You're kidding me. I met you when you're 37. Yes. Wow. Yeah, 40 years old.

So what's, what do you think? You know, you're turning 40. What does that, what's on your mind as far as the gut check goes? You know, what are you feeling? With relationships specifically, you know, the relationship to your kids. Is that going to change the older you get? Relationship with your wife? Is it going to be, you know, as romantic?

These types of things. Okay. Okay. My first thought at 40 is. is I still feel like I'm 20. That has been the biggest shock to me. And the older, the people I talk to are older me, like 60, they say the same thing. You still feel like your mind still feels like it's 20.

You have a ton of life experience. The thing that is maybe shocked me a bit is how my body is responded. So like, through my back out a few months ago, that sucked. Now a staff infection, I'm like, what is going on? It's not like I'm not taking care of my body, but I'm probably not taking care of my body as good as I should. Right? As far as relationships,

you know, going to have a 10-year-old here in April, Jack. That is, that plays on my mind. I can see him already dismissing some of the things I say, which is interesting. And it's one of the reasons why with the podcast, I've always said if it takes me away from my kids, I'd just shut it down.

And I probably have no qualms in that. I've interviewed way too many people who are now grandparents or great-grandparents. And they talk about, it goes by in a fleeting moment. Boom, it's done. Kids are out. You think it's so busy and then boom, they're just gone. And then you have to wait this period of time

until they come back because now they're out exploring the world and everything else. And I look at Shay, my oldest, and I go, you know, what do I got? Do I got eight years left until he graduates? Is it a little less? Is it a little more regardless, you know, we're 10 years in or about to be? And that, I think about that a lot. So there's some things coming with the podcast here in 2026 that I keep alluding to, and I will continue to keep alluding to because I'm not ready to announce it yet,

that are hopefully going to bolster my commitment to that. as far as my wife goes i think um we had our low during covid and uh what the lows teach you is how strong a relationship is and then from there you can build it back up build it stronger built it better than anything you thought possible and if i was a young guy marrying a girl which i once was you know one of the things i thought was would i still be attracted to her when we'd been married 20 years, 30 years, I don't know. And Mel and I now have been married. This year will be 12, but we've been together, I guess, 19. So it's closing out on 20, right? Like, it's kind of like, every once in a mind, you think of where you go, huh? And not to sound too

corning, but the more I learn about the woman, the more attractive she has become. And I didn't think, like, I don't think my younger self could have to sit here across me and be like, oh, yeah, sure, sure, Sean. Yeah, yeah, all lov-de-d-dovey. I'm dead serious. Like, I just, I'm full stop, like head over heels for my wife. And that is, that has taken some ups and downs. Don't get me wrong. The podcast has not been kind at times to my marriage. Um, you know, like my wife's a teacher. And anyone listen to this knows I've delved into the education thing from time to time. Or COVID in general, because that wasn't healthy for anyone's relationships. But overall, our marriage is better than ever. And so when I think of like long term, what, uh, what do I want? I want a closer relationship with God,

follow very closely by a healthy relationship with my family. And, you know, if I were to go maybe one past that, I hope for some success in what I do and, uh, trying to track. that down. I don't know if that answers your question. Yeah, I have a question for one more question for you, at least, that I think your audience will appreciate a young guy asking. After 20 years of marriage, how are you still learning new things about, you know, about your wife or her about you? To me, it feels like after that amount of time, you would know everything about each other. No, I was pretty selfish in the first 16 years. I was pretty selfish. Full stop. And, And although we know each other extremely well, every once in a while she surprises me because I don't think she's paying attention.

And I like to assume I do the same thing to her. But overall, yeah, we know each other very well. But there was a time where I put myself first in everything. And now I'm trying really hard. Probably don't do a great job of it. But I try really hard to put her and the kids first. everything I think of from a podcast, a business career, where I want things to go, how we're going to pay the bills, you know, what's for supper? You know, I try really hard, not perfect at it,

working at it. But for the first 15 years, 16 years of us being together, yeah, it's probably pretty selfish, if I'm being honest. That's interesting. Every, I think, yeah, yeah, I think for myself, I definitely think more about the future of having a wife of how my life is going to change and less about hers and how her life is going to change in a weird way, even though it hasn't, none of that's even happened yet or existed. It's probably just a human condition if I had to say, right? Well, it's hard not to imagine your life changing. You want to change for the better. You want somebody who supports, you know, I don't have it in here. I got to read it to my kids.

So now that I'm just talking about a whole bunch of things that I normally talk about, welcome to Sean's life story today, folks. We do a thing out at the kids' school, or they do, come read with me. So every, I don't know, once a month, parents get to come in and read to their kids. And I did that 1,000th video, which I think a lot of people watched, including yourself, right? Where it was kind of an overarching view of the 1,000 episodes. And in there, which nobody would have saw because it was kind of, it was deleted scenes. You can go on substack and watch it actually if you're a paid member is like nine minutes of me talking to the camera.

And one of the things I talk about is this book called What Do You Do With an Idea? And it's it's talking about a kid and he's got this idea and it's just kind of like this golden ball and he doesn't know what to do with it and he tries to forget about it. And I'll do a terrible job talking the story through. regardless, I talk about it and Mel Wash it. She goes, oh, why don't she read it to the kids when come read it? I'm like, oh, it's a good idea. But she's the one who got me the book. And the reason I bring up the story is she, I thought this podcast was stupid.

Full on stop folks. Like, full on stupid, doesn't understand it. And then the first year I was recording and she's probably watching her husband like get up at weird times at night, wake up way too early. and record it here and shift his entire life to make sure it works. She brought me this book. And it's sat on our mantle now for six years. Because I'm like, the nicest gift she's ever gotten me was saying that it's okay to have this idea and to chase it essentially.

And now I've got to read it to my kids. So like, you know, like when it comes to a wife and like what you want, you want your wife to give you a better life. And a wife will. but you got to find a way to make to do those things that just like fill her cup up i hate those terms but it's so true right like after she did that and i had the backing of mel no matter where i went and no matter how crazy the podcast has become in some uh terms having her backing is like having the backing of a 10,000 person army it's insane you know so if you're gonna if you're gonna

get together with a woman you better be able to like, well, man, I'm running for mayor of St. Louis in 2037. That's right, baby. I feel like it would be a nice icebreaker that line. I'm going to run for mayor in 2037. What? I've got a few now, man. I've got a few. I've started taking fencing lessons, too, so that's a fun date to, you know what, Sean? Fencing lessons? I've taken, I'll let me get there, but I think last time we talked, I don't know if we were talking. I think maybe I said I'd never been dancing or something like that. Yeah, that's right. Have I told you that I've been doing salsa dancing for the past of the year now?

out of boy. I mean, talk about a way to... Show me a woman who doesn't like a guy that can dance. They don't exist. Amen. I couldn't agree more. I couldn't agree more. I am not a great dancer.

Everybody pokes fun at me, but I have the confidence to go on the floor, folks, and I don't care. What more do you need? You show me a guy that dances and there will be women all over it because they just want to go out and dance. Dancing is just lovely. I think dancing is probably one of the most therapeutic. things for the human soul out there, probably beyond any substance, beyond any,

uh, yeah, pill or anything like that. I mean, if you dance, I mean, I think it's pretty profound if you, you know, do it consistently, how, uh, free your soul feels, you know, not to get too cheesy as well, but, well, but it, it's, it's not wrong. I, uh, Mel and I get to, you know, it's a crazy thing. We only get to go dancing. Like, what is it? Once to five times a year? maybe, you know? And when we got married, we took dance lessons with all our group of friends. It was a ton. We were doing it once a week. Her parents take dance lessons right now, I think. And it's kind of uncomfortable at the start because, you know, you're learning something new. But at the same token, then you start to learn it and you're dancing. Man, I was dancing with my daughter the other day, Jack.

It was a ton of fun. Uh-huh. Absolutely. I think, yeah, you know, having these types of things to do is be an interesting human. The reason that I'm doing these things now, Sean, is, you know, my James Bond checklist, which I think I've told you about before. But, you know, at the core of that, I really think that, you know, men or young men or boys that are going to be men, you know, to find a partner that you will be happy with, but also that will be happy with you. You know, you need to be an exceptional man to some degree. And I know that might come as a shock to a lot of people for me to be thinking that, but for people, someone my age should be thinking that.

I think like there's so much, when you can see so much, when a young woman can see that, you know, her friends are on a yacht right now or X, Y, Z, or getting flown out to Miami or wherever it is, you know, when you have that much optionality, you know, you are working as a man,

you're not just working against your town, you're working against, you know, the whole world for whoever it is that you want to end up marrying or having as your wife. And I'm, that's, That's been like a concern of mine. So you have the James Bond checklist, which I assume is being one charismatic deep SOB.

Yeah. A renaissance man, being a Renaissance man. Have you read the book, The Preparation? Do you remember this on the podcast at all? No, no, no, I haven't. I should send it to you. It's an American who developed it for young men. and it's basically going to college

without going to college. You do cycles. Every three months, you go learn a new skill, working on a farm, EMT. Maxim, I think, is in the middle of Muay Thai in Thailand,

I think, is what he's doing. He's learning, you know, a martial art, and on and on it goes. And so he, so this is an actual thing.

It's not just a book, but it's actually like, it's done by one of the original Renaissance men, Doug Casey. Oh, you'd find it fascinating. I have a copy that I plan to give my kids, my boys, when they're probably 15. Wow.

I look at it like, you know, I was very fortunate, whether I realized it at the time or not, that I had two other brothers that went traveling the world. And at the time, I was playing junior hockey. and when they came back, Dust specifically asked, where would you go traveling next? And he shocked me because he said Canada. I said Canada.

Why would you stay in Canada? He's like, everywhere I go in the world, they asked me about Canada and I've never been across it. I said, oh, so how would you do it? I'd bike it. And then we went and bike Canada. And what that two months taught me about myself was more than the first 19 years of life had taught me.

And what I like about the preparation is I see things like biking Canada in it. And when I think about that over the course of four years, if you were to do it for four years, I'm like, you would be a, you'd have your James Bond moment over and over and over again in there because that's what it's designed to do. And I think, you know, want to be a competent man with a whole bunch of knowledge and in world experience. That to me is one that makes a ton of sense. Whether or not you can afford to do it, all the things. I don't know. It's not like the world is free by any stretch of the imagination. But learning to dance, learning how to be uncomfortable and be comfortable in that situation,

that's, I feel like that's confidence. Confidence is attractive. It's just like you do them what? You know, you got to find a way to break away from the noise. I don't know about the girls flying to Florida. I have no idea about that. That wasn't my, my recollection of girls around me at that time. Well, we may have talked about this last time I was on. Maybe we haven't, but yeah, you know, and no matter what, I think we need to find a way to put adversity into our lives. And, you know, the men from World War II era and World War I era and Vietnam era and, you know, all of these, you know, they've, or even, you know, desert storm and so on and so forth, you know, they were kind of put into that circumstance whether they liked it or not. And, you know, our generation

is so comfortable now. So I don't really like, I don't like the framing of blaming young, the young generation is being lazy. Every human being is a circumstance of their environment and the times they live in. But we don't have any,

when you're so comfortable, I mean, why would you go out and put yourself into hard situations? You kind of have to be a psychopath to do that. But you need to be a psychopath to gain the confidence that you're talking about and become, you know, a worthwhile functioning

human being to society. Unless you realize by putting yourself in hard situations, you're going to have a ton of growth. And then it's going to start to shape your worldview in different ways you never thought possible. And then instead of being a psychopath, you actually look like a relatively normal human being that is not okay with just staying the status quo. Yeah, that's absolutely right. Absolutely right.

I'm reading Victor Frankel, or I just listened to Man's Search for Meaning. I mean, he talks all about that, right? You know, what he says too is you don't necessarily need suffering to grow. But, you know, if you are in intense suffering, despite the suffering, you will be able to grow as well. So, yeah, I mean, we're just lost generation. We don't know how to grow. We don't even know the roadmap to growth. Yeah, Victor Frankel's book, as most people know, that one really, it's like if Jordan Peterson went through the Holocaust, give or take.

I mean, that might be oversimplifying that. But, like, to me, that is a short book. What is it? 200 pages? Is it that? Yeah, short. It's very short. And, like, you read it, and there is a lot of meat on those pages.

It's incredible. I mean, you hear about, you know, the universality of human beings, right? What he mentioned is often the most cruel people weren't actually even the concentration camp guards. It was the other inmates that were given positions of power within that that were the most. cruel and you would you know occasionally find guards that were kinder than uh some of the other inmates uh i mean this just shatter everyone should read that or listen to it and that'll shatter your worldview on all of your preconceived notions about humanity my final thing i want to bring up with you sub stack so for those who listen me and jack have been having this conversation for

probably two years and that is how do you do you bring in more paid subscribers? I hate to get right to the point, but I mean, that's literally what this is all about. So if you're listening to this and you're like, you've been listening along, you're like, oh, there's just, there's just nothing there. I don't know. I don't know the answer to people, right? It's money. It's their money. And so what you're trying to figure out is how do you attract that? And the reason I think I want that is because then you become completely independent of the system. If 40,000 people were to all sudden, fun what you're doing, you're decentralized instead of having five people or 20 people. You get the

point. And so part of it is, is like I, you know, you got to put out good content. You got to do the right things. So Jack has this idea. And I was just having a conversation this morning, but I just don't like the idea. I don't know why. Maybe because it's not my idea, Jack. I don't know. Maybe it's because I don't, I don't believe in these things on other people's platforms. But then guys like, yeah, but you're actually stifling one of the guys you're working with. That's a good point. So, walk me through the idea. Throw it at the audience and let's see what they say. Sure. Well, I mean, the Sean Newman community is very loyal. They're very, I mean, you know, they've been around for years, obviously. They're very engaged. And I want to give them a place,

kind of a centralized place that they can gather to some degree and that they can, you know, in a systematized, structured way, extract the value from the Sean Newman podcast, right? I'm sure that, you know, when they're listening, you know, they're hearing all kinds of new things from people like Tanner Today, people like Alex Craneer, people like, you know, Martin Armstrong,

and the list goes on and on and on. But how cool would it be if we have a centralized place where Tanner Today has, you know, his crash course on revelations, right? Or whatever, you know, name, whatever it is that you think Tanner Today would make the best course on. So Tanner Today has a course. You know, it's an eight-part series or whatever it is where someone from the Sean

Newman podcast audience can come in and learn from Tanner. But also, hey, they've been around forever. They also have been watching Tom Luongo forever. And so maybe there's a course that Tom Luongo has within this. And Alex Traynor has a course. And, you know, you get the concepts. And so you come in here and there will always be kind of perpetually of the recurring guests or even new guests that come on the Sean Newman podcast

that are open to doing this, have a course that comes into this private group that we create that's paid private group or whatever, you know, substack, whatever that is. Now you can actually really start extracting value from the show because you can actually go in and, you know, take a course. It's almost like our own little Sean Newman podcast university. Yeah, it's interesting.

I'm like, so I threw it at Tanner. He was sitting across from me before. folks. And I go, what do you think of this? He goes, no, I'd do it. I'm like, but you don't even know it. He's going to create me, of course. I get to use it. I'm like, well, yeah, I think so. He's like, yeah, I'd be in. I'm like, okay. So then it's like, so which way do you set Tanner today, folks? Is it Alberta Independence? What's his all the rage rate now? Or is it something right from the Bible? Don't know. I'm, uh, I'm just curious what people are going to say about it? Because I'm like, I don't know. I'm like, are people interested in that? Right? Full stuff.

I have no idea. Well, even with that, what's stopping you're from trying it? Well, no, that's what Tanner said. That's what twos will say. You could have twos with his own course, giving you the breakdown of why Alberta needs to leave or why the NDP are not a serious party. We could probably have a lot of fun with that. I'm going to be honest.

It's interesting. No, it's, why not try? I guess we could. I'm curious what the audience has to say. because maybe the audience wants a travel trip to Hawaii. Nah, maybe not Hawaii. Let's go Mexico.

It's probably a little easier there. A trip to Hawaii where we all just get together and we sit on the beach and the sun and that's what they want. Or do they want this? I have no idea. I have no idea. I mean, you know, and then this ultimately plays

into the S&P cornerstone forum as well, right? I mean, you know, you have these courses going throughout it and you're building up your people in the course and then that can combine with the cornerstone forum in some cool creative way that we figure out and there's endless opportunities here i don't disagree with it i'm i'm not disagreeing with it and just like is there going to be a ton of effort for nothing and i i don't i don't well who's okay where's the ton of effort coming from because here's my here's my pushback we can have a live sales call right on uh well that's what i'm doing right now i'm like we could have a sales call or

we could bring the audience in on it. So the audience, you're getting in on something me and Jack would do behind the scenes because I'm like, I'm very curious what you all have to say. So if I hear crickets, I assume nobody cares. That's what I'm going to assume. So if you're driving around, you're sitting out on the farm, wherever you're at, now's your time to voice your concern. But even if nobody, let's say even if zero people care and you have people willing to do it, like a tanner today, who's the most effort getting put on? it's getting put on me because I'm the one that's creating these courses and editing them and putting them together. And then it's a little bit on Tanner to go in and build his course

out. But Tanner walks away with a course that he can go out and sell on his own, you know, or we'll figure out whatever deal we have. So it's still valuable to Tanner. Even if zero people from your audience want to do it, Tanner has his audience that he can take this and go put it somewhere. He got it for free. And then we can rinse and repeat. I mean, that's how, you know, and then really all I need you to do in the audience, your lovely, lovely audience to tell me, hey, who are the people that we want courses from? We'll reach out to them, tell them the deal. You know, you get something very valuable for free

and that you don't have to, you know, put a bunch of mental effort into other than creating the course. And, you know, you walk away. Everyone walks away square, except for a little old jack if it doesn't work out. I tell you what, audience, there you go. There's the question. If you were to have a four-part course,

whatever the amount of part course it is, from one of the guests in the podcast, who would you be like, oh, if X did it, I'd be there, right? Wayne Gerexky did it. I'd be there. Well, I haven't had them on the podcast. So just wipe that thought from your brain, folks. Right?

But it would be interesting. That'd be interesting. Jack, it's interesting. One more thing, one more thing. And then, you know, from the audience perspective, you got to think about this too. As Sean, Sean just had a thousand episodes. It went all the way up until he gets to 10,000, 84 years old. How many, and you'll always have access.

to the new courses that come through, you know, exactly, you know, whoever that might be. So as the audience grows, as we make the strong newman podcast more successful, the access to these people, you know, you get even larger and larger names and personalities that, you know, you may want to learn from. All right. On a side note, you're the guy who sees everything first, right? Because obviously you're editing everything.

I didn't tell you who the thousandth was going to be. Were you surprised at all? Yeah, I was surprised. I was, I thought that was, I got a good, I laughed out loud when I saw it. I thought, how did you get this one? But so I guess Drew Weatherhead was the, you got the jih Tzu connection.

I made, I made a point in my mind. I had a bunch of different ideas on the thousand. Now, did I want to have Jordan Peterson, Joe Rogan? Just take your pick, folks, just right off that list. And I tried really hard. So then my, my, to me, it's a failure.

because I can't get exactly who I want for the 1,000. And I think that if you're not going to come on for the 1,000th, why would you come on for the 1,000th and 10th? You know, it's like the 1,000th to me is a big deal. So then I sat down and I thought about it for a real long time because I had a couple different ideas on what I was going to try and do on the 1,000. And I finally came to the conclusion. I wanted somebody that I wouldn't normally get.

And Eddie Bravo certainly fit that bill. I would not normally get Eddie Bravo. Full stop. That isn't somebody. I'm just calling up on a Tuesday to come on the podcast and hop on. So the goal for the 1,000th wasn't to have, you know, everybody wanted Mel on, one of my wife on,

which I did ask. And she just laughed and said no. She did give me this, though, Jack. She did say, if you ever teach our son to interview, I'll let him interview me. So I think that's a winner. I think that's a win.

But, you know, people had thrown out a ton of different names. And I threw out a ton of emails. And I reached out to just about everybody. under the sun with the goal of I want to have somebody I wouldn't normally have shut out to Drew Weatherhead because that's how that comes together. And so I'm glad it surprised you. I'm glad surprised a bunch of people because I wasn't going in going I needed to be Pierre Poliyev from the political realm here in Canada or it has to be Tucker Carlson or bust or you know it's got to be

this person over here. I went in going who is somebody I would never get and would never think to go on. Eddie Bravo was not on any of my list. It wasn't in the top 50 of who I wanted to get. But when I heard his name, I'm like, I've listened to Eddie. I've listened to Eddie quite a bit, actually. Sure, I would take Eddie, right? So I'm glad it surprised you. That's good.

Yeah, I'm happy for you and very, very, you know, dare I say proud of you for, you know, everything that, I mean, we've been together for three years now. So, I mean, I've really, really appreciated your friendship. Appreciate it you taking a chance on me. And, you know, we're going to keep moving forward in this. We're going to keep going up and up. And I'm curious to hear what the audience says. If they like the idea or I just assume it becomes I do like the idea,

who you would like to see who's been on the show folks, on the show. They have to have been on the show. Full stop. Hey, can you do me a favor, Sean? Can you give me one piece of grace in this endeavor? Can you ask that question on your Twitter? Yeah, all right. As a type form or whatever you want to call it.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I could even throw it out on substack. Great. All right. Jack, St. Louis Jack on the podcast, folks. It's been a while. Appreciate you hopping on and doing this. And an intimate look into some of the things on the podcast today because we went all over the place. But appreciate you hopping on St. Louis Jack. If St. Louis Jack ever gets elected mayor, I tell you what, I will be there for that day and I'm coming to interview you in person. Oh, man. I can't wait for that. Just keep setting it up the way you want and I will be there in person with Bell's on. I'll be like, where are you going? Oh, my editor just got elected mayor. By that time, you better have a team because you won't have time for me anymore. But we'll make sure we get a podcast out of that. 2037, I'm penciling it in. I'm looking forward to that. And I believe it's going to happen. So I'm excited for it.

Cool. Thanks, Jack.