Shaun Newman Podcast - #1006 - Holmes Clan

Episode Date: February 24, 2026

Today I’m joined by Mike Holmes and his daughters, MayCee and Madison Holmes. MayCee and Madison were honored with the United Conservative Party's Rising Stars Youth Award at the 2025 AGM, recognizing their passion and leadership in defending conservative values in Alberta. As co-hosts of At Home With Holmes, this tight-knit family of seven shares their self-educated insights, encourages critical thinking, and tackles pressing issues head-on through their platform on Substack, Instagram, and more. How an ordinary Alberta family dove into independent research and found themselves immersed in today's culture wars—from questioning mainstream narratives to advocating for freedom, sovereignty, Alberta independence, and traditional principles. Tickets to Cornerstone Forum 26’: https://www.showpass.com/cornerstone26/Silver Gold Bull Links:Website: https://silvergoldbull.ca/Email: [e-mail] Grahame: [phone]Bow Valley Credit UnionBitcoin: www.bowvalleycu.com/en/personal/investing-wealth/bitcoin-gatewayEmail: [e-mail] Get your voice heard: Text Shaun 587-217-8500

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I'm talking about Mike and his daughters, Macy and Madison Holmes. So buckle up, here we go. Welcome to the Sean Newman podcast. Today, I'm joined by the Holmes clan. So quick. I'm not ready for that. We got him. Mike, Macy, and Madison.

First off, thanks for coming. Thanks for making the tour. And coming to what twos would call the Batcave, but certainly you're in a select few that have actually been here yet. So we did a few in December. Then we had to shut this place down while we finished a whole bunch of things up. And now we're back in here.

And so hopefully, you know, as the days and weeks and months progress, there will be more and more people get to experience what you're sitting in, but you're into my world. This has been a labor of love. And as you pointed out with the wall, Mike, I should give a shout out to all the companies that help put this together. But, you know, I don't know,

I guess before we get into anything too heavy, because we've been talking a lot this morning, your thoughts on the studio, just for the audience's sake, right? Sure, but that's ladies first. Sure. Okay. Deferring, putting you on the spot.

Um. Well, being in a podcast realm ourselves now, I mean, this is, you said this was the dream and you drew it on a napkin. And this is pretty much, you know, I feel like this is what most podcasters aspire to and you're well on the way. So it's really inspiring for us little Joe blows that aren't there yet. But this is definitely, this is the goal. And it's amazing to me. Says one of the UCP rising stars. Oh, gosh.

pull that card. We aren't going there yet. Oh, no, no, no. I wanted to be like, the chairs are comfortable. Exactly. I love the hanging cameras for the angles. I love it. It's really good.

Well, I was sitting, my story before we get into too much, I was sitting in the, I didn't want to go to the UCPA jam this year. Nothing against the, I was, we were just talking about social media and if I were to give myself a failing grade on what I'm doing right now. my social media is probably very lacking. But you were pointing out, Madison, you know, like how much time it takes to run all of them successfully. And I'm like, I just want to spend time with my kids.

I know that sounds a little bit, I don't know, not corny, but like it's just important, right? And so you get home and it's like I could sit on my screen for six hours, uploading this, that, and the everything. But there's just certain things that are really important. and I don't know where I was going. This has been my brain. No, the AGM is one of them because... The AGM is why I didn't want to go.

It's because of the kids on the weekend. And then I went. Yeah, I get it. Then I went, and I'm sitting there, and I'll send you two walk on stage. I'm like, hey, I know those people. I should go, I should go say hello. Well, to keep on track with the first question,

that's really just like being able to be in this studio. First thing is first. Got to say thank you for just the invite, the opportunity. I think at some point in time, I know that we'll get into the origin story of like the clan and how we came to where we are. But we're in a closet, literally. Like our studio is a closet. Yes.

It used to be mom and dad's walk in closet. Yeah, but that's how good origin story start. It's not like, you know, dad thinks of this and you go spend 100 grand or 200 grand and you build something fancy. Right. I mean, don't get me wrong. That would have been nice. Yeah. I'm sure you too would think that would be nice.

My years of throwing rig money I was going to say my back when you're working the rigs, maybe. Maybe when I was rigging I might have been able to check stuff, but I was a much different man to the world that we're in now. There's also a level because the thing is, like me and Macy grew up, dad's very articulate. People haven't noticed that know him. And the podcast idea was originally something that our brother kind of messed around

with saying, oh, dad, you could do a podcast. and Seb was thinking I'll be the guy in the chair. But our family, even that rising star comment, I felt more humbled. What made me emotional was just the fact that, you know, people, they said it was one of the most nominations for an award that they had gotten. And that's just the community. You're a community guy.

I didn't grow up with these people, but these people watching me and Macy because they were what they wish they could have done. They were the future in their eyes. And so I don't, some rising star award for the UCP, it's like, I don't want to be a politician, a career politician. I think people that want to be politicians for a living, I'm concerned about their mental health. So, but what was emotional was the fact that all these people wanted to invest in us. And so that was how the podcast for us really got going was because me and Macy and Sebastian believed in our dad.

Our dad was this rigor for 17 years, but he's, he's been listening to things. He read the Bible seven times. Anytime he gets into something, he really goes into a deep. And we just wanted his brain shared with the world. That was the motivation for the podcast. We started. That was the motivation. The motivation was not us.

It was actually our dad, Mike. It was because we were like, when before. You kind of got a face for radio. I'm not going to lie. Yeah, that's my comment. You know what? I get the same thing. I got to advertise with a hat because I got a five head.

So I might as well put it to good use with what. wearing good hats. Well, actually, like, okay, this is like a deviation, but he was in like young modeling at some point when he had hair. But anyways, so he does, he did have a good face. I mean, you do have a good face. That's all right. You can say did. I'm okay with that. But like, it started before. Mike Holmes, the model. So there's actually a funny story about that, but we don't even need to get into that. That would be like a different one under the rigor category. We literally brought a bunch of rigors in for for some modeling. It was like an idea about. between a whole bunch of dudes that wanted to mess around with modeling.

We had the money to throw a modeling agencies. So we just did it for shits and giggles because the one thing that they don't have is. Yeah, but just the one thing is that we laugh because most of us are relatively strapping gentlemen and work hard and right. You're throwing tongs. You're pumping iron, right? So you're big, you're kind of handsome and you're strong. You realize you're ahead of your time, right?

Because you look at what, is it Tyler Sheridan? Taylor? Who's the guy who did Yellowstone? and landmen. Landman. Have you watched landmen? We're in the middle of it. I could be wrong.

Doesn't it feel like propaganda for the oil field? Oh yeah. Not only is the propaganda for the oil field it's propaganda for the conservatives. Sure, sure, sure. But you know, like, what are they doing? They're trying to make oil field look cool.

And if you've worked in it and you've earned the money from it. I don't know how they're doing that when they show an accident every other day. I know. I'm like, this looks terrifying. They tried to compound years and years and years of mistakes that had happened for all sorts of various reasons because I read all those hazard alert bulletins during my time on the iron because there was so many guys, you know, the target zero push that all those bureaucratic morons were pushing. So when that came into the industry and

I started way back then, I would be in the doghouse and there would be guys because like you're the worm or the low guy on the totem pole, but I came from a different background for communication skills. Like I was more like a drama kid. Somebody tells you to go get a pipe wrench. I'm like, what's that? Right? Because I wasn't a farm boy. But none of them wanted to talk in public. because they started making sure that these meetings were happening and that you're reading hazard alert burdens. So I had an entire crew that shirked their duty onto me as the new guy. So I read every single hazard alert bulletin. I read every single manual for every piece of equipment that the rig had to offer so that I could host meetings because nobody else wanted to do them.

And BP, Amico, Shell, like, I don't care. Pick your poison. They're the ones that are like, you've got to come in a half an hour early. You're going to be paid. But you're going to have this meeting because target zero is our agenda, like zero carbon. There's a really dumb idea that somebody thought up for insurance purposes to bring down insurances, but they don't care about what it actually takes on the drilling rig. So all that to say, I learned how to like go through manuals and have these articulate conversations.

And so when I'm looking at what's going on landman, I'm like, this was a compilation paid for by blood and honorable men over however many years of the evolution of the industry. And you're trying to jam it into a show and you're showing accidents. that when I look at it for the reality of someone that's in the industry, I'm like, that wouldn't happen, that wouldn't happen, that wouldn't happen. Especially in Canada, we have some of the high, I got my rig technician ticket. I actually went when they were grandfathering all the other people for the industry. I said, no, I had enough hours.

I could have been grandfathered in. I said, no, I want to know what you're teaching. So I went to school just so I could see what the rig technician course out of Sate was going to be all about. Because I wanted to know, how are you going to teach my boys that are going to come out? You know, are you going to fill their heads full of bullshit? I want to go through it so I understand what bullshit you're pumping into them. So that I can undo some of it when we get out into the field because their lives and their importance was that.

That, getting back to my clan, being the same dude that I was on the rig to what I was at home. Anyway, sorry, you got me going on the subject that I'm quite passionate about. That's the entire, we watch shows every night that allows us to spend time together because we do dinner and a movie after we've worked till 8 o'clock doing whatever it is we're doing. and every show we watch some guests, house guests like it and some do not. We talk about what we're watching and what we're breaking down.

So, me and Mesa are like, what gas just, you know, injured all of those money? He's like, that's H2S. And he'll break down how, you know, it's not realistic or it is. And this is how the pump guy. Me and Mike would have been sitting side by side

on that one. All I dealt with for years was H2S. I'm like, yeah, this is ridiculous. But anyways, my wife's like, well, what do you mean? And I'm like, wow. So if you're saying it's propaganda for the oil field, I'm like, I don't know. I mean, I don't think that's encouraging fellas to go and do the job.

And we need good men doing that job. Yes and no, though, because I mean... You don't need good men doing that? No, no. We definitely do, but I meant like the propagandas and discouraging them. Like, I don't know because when it comes to some young men, they don't have much of a... if they especially don't feel like they've had any sort of discipline, but they want purpose in their life,

then it's the thing with like the whole greatest generation, like that came in the psyche of a lot of old generation, like our grandpa, where he was like, I wish that, you know, I could have been a part of the first World War, the Second World War,

right? And like they think that that's like such an honorable thing, right? So like a rig man is actually not even there was, we were in like Tim Hortons and dad was saying like, Roger that. And they were like, are you in the military? Like rig.

And so it's still like there's still a sort of correlation between regmen and military. And like for young men that feel like they either lacked discipline. And so they're trying to figure out who's going to be your father figure. It's going to be the giant military corporation. It's like, all right. But you also have that essence of like the boys and the band of brother movies and all of these things that show the camaraderie. And it's beautiful. But that's also unfortunately where it gets manipulated because a lot of these young men,

they don't know exactly which war they're going to fight. for you know what I mean so yeah and I and I guess I look at it and I go money beautiful women opportunity danger and I go what a young man want I'm like to meet me like yeah it is like I mean yeah you when you're talking about modeling but like where we started this at like what what is what what is what did the what did the yeah fair enough what did the oil patch miss back is you had to make it I don't know, appetizing to the general public because what they've done is they've demonized it now

for 20 years, 30 years, whatever the time frame is. And so people have forgotten how important it is. Right. And we could never forget that. Well, we forgot that, you know, there's men and women. We somehow forgot that one. Yep.

I didn't forget that one. I know you did. But somehow, you know, like we're sitting, well, you know, boys can be girls. It's like, no, they can't. can't. What are we talking about? Yeah. Right. And so you think the oil field, what you're doing was in a way, like was trying to to point to, hey, you can be fit and work at the oil field, make good money.

Oh, yeah. All the different things, right? And although I don't love everything in land, man, it's cool to see very sharp, competent men, even though I disagree with a whole bunch of it, be in there and trying to expose, you know, some of the stupidity that looks. at the oil field in ways, right? Even like them talking about drilling under the sea, like, do I, you know, like, I'm like, that's interesting, right? I don't know if, because I've never drilled under the sea, right? Like, that's one of the ones.

I'm like, how, how accurate is that? Like, I assume, you know, like there's a truth in there when they're talking about drilling all the way down and explaining it out. Like, yeah, I don't, I don't mind all this being. Yeah, there's some framework. The language is something I'm familiar with, obviously. but when it comes to the details of logistics for the operations and the details that it deserves. I find that obviously when you're part of the industry and you're in that world, you're speaking

sort of like a different language when you would come home. Maybe not so much to like your average Albertan, but when you, I did early filming back when you had like the early VCR cameras. Okay. Just to, because when I would come off the rig, with that too, when I would come off the rig and you would try to kind of explain, you know, like the family would ask like, you know, how are things, would you do? And there was no connection.

The Mrs. didn't have a connection to that world. She didn't have her parents weren't a part of rigging. And I only got into it because the guy said, we need minds like yours because we're in this transition from the old dogs and all the farmers, kids that would come out and do the thing. That's getting less and less. And the thing is we're going to need this, the bridge. And he's like, so you're a good guy.

You know, at that time, I was highly religious. You know, so he's like, you got this moral constitution. You've got a capability of communicating on a level that most rigors don't communicate like. So he was hoping that I'd get involved in the industry and be that old school, new school, because there's another generation of young guys. And that ended up actually being the case for myself when I went down to work in the United States to help train and build guys up, is that there was this younger demographic because it's a military transition, much to what even Macy said.

There's a hierarchy in the military that provides a constant that works for, young guys that come into the field and they do the bootstrap indoctrination of the military. But we have a hierarchy on the rigs. And what I didn't know when I learned when I went down there is that that's actually one of the rehabilitation programs for the guys that came from the GWAT and global war and terror stuff and doing the Afghanistan thing, when they would come back to get integrated in society, the oil field was one of the primary places that they would slot in. So I worked with a ton of ex-military guys.

lots of them they're bright capable thinkers but it's like to to get reintegrated back into the because even how they consider civis and plebs they don't operate on the same level like them so i got mistaken for a military guy all the time because the canadian like were assholes in the patch to be completely honest especially like with our superiority complex as canadians going into the u.s and you learn real fast to get polite because you know every one of those guys got a gun on location whether they care about that that that that rule from the company or not you know and so you find your more polite version of yourself but that hierarchy means something to them and they integrated really well but the communication style you couldn't just run the old school run your

mouth you know sink or swim baptism by fire that Canadians often did that's all you know being beaten with like poles and getting frozen pop cans throwing at you and kicked up and downstairs like I remember getting my teeth cut into the patch way back when It was that transition. They were going from the old school baptism by fire. Target zero bureaucracy. You can barely get anything done because you got so much paperwork and JSAs to fill out before you go do a job. It plays into the landman thing, though, that we're talking about.

I mean, like, I like the, like, because he's our dad, so we grew up with a lot of his rigor stories and the idiosyncrasies that are associated with it. And so we got a bit of sort of rigor wisdoms thrown up. us as kids, but just to understand a bit more of the dynamics of the world of men. And that's, that was really helpful for me and Maddie growing up. But I think that the, the, the question I would have now with the whole, like, landman thing is why now, right? Because it actually made me think of Dumesberg's episode that you did with him,

because I'm like, oh, if they want to unstick oil, you got to make it oil look cool again, right? And like, and all of the, all of what, like, the inner meshings of it is, it is beautiful. And there is something like ugly and also but very like you get to come rise out of that and learn a lot of shit like a lot of good shit like nose to the grindstone type stuff. Right. But then I'm just thinking on like the larger picture for like a geopolitical landscape. I'm like I know that Carney wants to unstick Alberta's oil for a war in Europe that we want nothing to do with. Right. So we're like so why when I just thought it was a brilliant observation on Dunesburg part where it's like what happens when the oligarchs want to like pivot on their backbook. and take back what they've been sewing with the whole climate change agenda, right? It's like now Bill Gates gets to say that it doesn't exist anymore and like it's going to be fine. I'm like, we're just going to allow that to happen.

We call it the four to one rule, which is basically just three parts of truth to one lie. But they'll give you how oil is everywhere not to take it for granted. And yet they'll still run on the peak oil theory, which is not true. So it's funny watching those two dynamics because you get a. everybody, those shorts that Billy Bob Thornton's character went out with and then the other one, those went viral. But then nobody talks about the, oh, they're just going to slide in peak oil and that we're still, you know, technically doomed in terms of our energy, you know, scarcity.

It's like, uh, no, but that's fine. We'll just wash over that. We can put that away. But it's actually funny, Macy, that you kind of alluded to the, uh, the dynamic about being raised by a rigor as women. because on so many podcasts we listen to, both men and women are trying to figure out, like, Dad was listening to a podcast with, it was Tommy and Tom Luongo, E.M. Burling game. And they were talking about the crazy white women, the Western women today that are helping the degradation of our society because of all of the righteousness and then the indignation. but we have and there was a term that E.M. Burlingame throws around estrogen warfare.

The podcast you did with him the first time you had him on and he was talking about, you know, the divorce and the crazy woman. And me and Macy kind of laughed because growing up with, you know, a rigor for a father, we didn't, there was a little bit of that tomboy, but not tomboy in the sense of like getting dirty, going out of your way to do guy like things. But just we didn't, we weren't. I did tea parties. Yeah, he still did tea parties with us, right?

So he's still, you know. It was kind of like, we were taught on acts of service. Yes, service. We didn't necessarily have that, I think, what's been manipulated in women today. And me and Maddie just read a book by Megalily White. And it's like called Girl Everlasting on, I think, romance, love and virtue. And it sounds really gay at first. like just that title does not give you the context.

But what it was her talking about, she wrote an essay called In Defense of the Girly Girl. And I was like, oh, this is interesting because like at first we would have considered our tendencies to be more tomboyish, right? Because we did have that mentality of like you can get stuff done yourself, right? And it wasn't because you can, you're better than a guy. It just meant like you need to be useful. You need to be able to do things. And in it she was like, I think like one of the things she posed with the problem where women went wrong is.

is that they got so immersed into like the tomboy essence, and they favored it above other things, like being a feminine female, for example, that it kind of created a sort of like complex where they were actually like what turned into tomboy and I wanna be more masculine and actually like almost damn near like a worshiping of the male essence in a female though,

is what kind of downgraded men because it was like, well, I don't need you anymore. And it's like, whoa, whoa. It also downgrades women because we also, we just can't do that. The thing about service and understanding the rigor world, it's like dad always said, you know, the men are on there for their families and for the future. Primary motivation. Primary motivation.

And so we, even there was another podcast with who was that one on. It was Colonel Towner, EM Burlingame. Was that also on Tommy? Yeah. Good possibility of crypto rich. They've been. Yeah. But it was all of these, these colonels in military.

And the thing is she, when Ian Burlingame had made that, he's saying that estrogen warfare and it's the estrogen women out there, she didn't get offended. Like not even, she immediately laughed and went, huh, I get what you mean. But she comes from the military. And so she's been in the world of men. And even though she herself is still a very feminine woman, she understands a dynamic that I think means. and Macy also understand that we don't get offended when those comments come around because a lot of women are offended by the male world, but not understanding half of the male's world is for the female. So I'm like how, there's just, that's one thing about our family that we always grew up reading,

we started with Jordan Peterson and psychology. You know, when dad and mom dropped us off for school, they would say, love a lemming, don't be a lemming, understanding our own brains in the sense. of we are very capable of being like every other person on the planet. You know, if one friend of ours makes a bad decision, we can succumb to peer pressure. But think about it. We are giving you the gift of awareness to understand that's a possibility. So at least if something comes your way, you can take 0.2 seconds to think about it before you do. It just gives you the option not to be the bell curve.

And so when it came to growing up with... psychology and then we found you know the master and his emissary who taught us about the brain work me and Macy I believe we've been very blessed because that has helped us not just as young people because young people don't know their brains and so they all of us are mentally ill just like defaults being an adolescent adolescence you have to default like yes you're mentally ill because your brain's not developed just accept that makes everything easier to manage but the second part is also being women, because if you don't understand your estrogen and you don't understand

your neuroticism, then you lash out at everything. You get manipulated so much easier by the medical industry, by politics when you get involved. Education. The education system. They manipulate all of that because you don't know how much in you is easy to manipulate, and that's on a biological level as well. And so that's why we, like one of our family's models was kind of like, like you need to learn what you are to negotiate who you are right and what you are say it one more

time you need to learn what you are to better negotiate who you are so when we got into that sort of ethos it was diving into again it started with the internet like intellectual dark web and so we were reading gad sadsberg and jonathan hight and he came out with the idea of like the happiness hypothesis with the free rider and the elephant and we were like oh okay and then we start but it trans, like kind of transitioned into the master and his emissary. And then what we kind of, oh, go ahead, sorry. Well, I, we've gone all over the place. And like our origin story, there is a linear. There's a through line. But I mean, we're game on. Okay. Okay. Wait, wait. I'm going to do one thing before we move on. Okay. One of the, one of the, one of the, one of the, one of the shuffle board.

You're going to wax the table. One of, one of the, one of the things about people coming to the studio or in person is been the one else silver coin which is you know I sit and I sit and talk to silver gold bull about it right when we first started doing this I want to say it was 38 dollars I keep saying that and I should just go look but it was less than 40 thank you and uh oh you're giving this to us I thought you just showing it no no no no I was like taking my coins for for coming to the studio we we started this two and a half three years ago and I mean like silver um you know know. So $33 when we started kind of like.

Stacking it up? Well, no, no. I can't throw money at those kind of problems, ma'am. Let me be honest. I wish I had a stack to the ceiling, but I don't. Right. I think a lot of us wish we had a stack to the ceiling. But there was a time where it was like, you know, even in my, even in my memory, it was like $30-some dollars.

I just don't got the money. Now I'm like, I wish I had. Right. Absolutely. Diverted more money to it. Yeah. The COVID. debacle is what really

help sort of reframe the world for myself especially by my client. This is the smartest way to encourage people to get silver is putting it in their hand, though. And having a large family where we all know this comes to one household.

It's back up. So you don't, once again, by the time, well, no, it airs tomorrow. So like, I mean, we're recording this in less than 24 hours of air. So sitting here, the silver price is 11960 Canadian. Well, hopefully when there's the financial collapse that we all know is coming, there's going to be a farmer or two that loves my family enough to be willing to trade this for some eggs and beef when the time comes.

So I'm going to, okay, so A, it's cool that you know the value of silver, right? Like, I'm always interested when I give it to somebody and they're like, oh, that's really cool. I'm like, oh, they don't get it. Oh, no, we get it. We're making a long-term deposit. Yeah. Now, I'm curious, question to all you. because you, and I didn't want to interrupt,

but I just had, I'm like, I just kind of want to know. Oh, good lucking. And it's probably a dad question to start with. At what point did you go, I'm going to inject the dark web into their collective education? Oh, great. Let's flip the script. It wasn't, it wasn't me.

Yeah. So my son and his best friend, the betroth to Madison, so my future son-in-law at some point, his clan was moving and Sebastian and his buddy he wanted to stay and create a life for himself in Calgary. They were going back to Ontario. So we ended up opening up our doors to allow him to stay because we figured that, you know, this was pre-2020 obviously.

We figured that, you know, him and Sebastian would probably end up like moving out together, you know, doing the thing and trying to get their life started in Calgary. they were in the meme generation because iGen is about memes and so forth and and so what ended up happening is they were the ones that came across peterson and the pepe memes and all those kinds of things and they kind of like they were laughing about a thing and they kind of it was in the zeitgeist of the household but it was never taken with any type of seriousness i stumbled upon it and it was a few of the lines and a few of the ethoses that were being offered and i said i think there's something more here than you guys are giving credit for than just the meme entertainment.

And so I just started poking around. And as Madison had alluded to earlier, like there was a time when I was very highly involved in the church. And because I came from a very tumultuous background. So when I find myself, it's time to get engaged in something and it's time to learn where you are and understand the map of the world that you're in. When I got into the born again realm of Christianity, Pentecostal more specifically at that time of my life.

I locked myself away for a weekend with a Bible and I read it front to back. Then I did it the next weekend. Then I did it the next weekend. Then I did it the next weekend. And reason being is that when you have a background, like you could rip me apart. If there was social media like there is now for what I went through in my past, there's no, I would have canceled. Of course it'd be canceled.

Like I'm the regular human being. that everyone else is and some people don't have the courage to talk about they'd rather just let that be in their past and that'll be enough is enough i'm not ashamed of what i was i'm not proud of what i was but i that's my life that's a different story and to answer because i want to give some context to get to the question that updating it's it's something that i'm not afraid of i'm not afraid of like because sometimes you get that you know that still framework you think you know a thing and so you'll stay operating within that thing if it ain't broke don't fix it now i understand that natural conservatism that has there is some value in that but that's an incomplete analysis

because life isn't stasis so when they did came across peterson and they were looking as a meme and i was scratching a little bit beneath the surface coin i think there's something here of value i want a whole hog and so i consumed like not just peterson and all his lectures but if anyone on a podcast or when he brought up his website for his reading list, I consumed the whole reading list. Just read everything. And then if he had a guest, I read their book. If they had two books, I read both their books. Like to me, I was like, all right, well, whatever this thing is.

So that started me, so like, there's a legitimate intellectual curve. And as I was rolling through that, there would be some excitement. The industrial revolution of dad's brain. And so then because we're our communicative family, I'm sharing and talking about just naturally, you know, we'd be sitting around a table like this. Like you're kind of even watching how the dynamic of what we are as a clan. That's how that plays out.

Like this isn't for the show. This is just us. Yeah, we interrupt each other all the time. All the time. Well, it reminds, actually, you know, I say this about this room in particular. When I had twos in here, right, one-on-one, twos.

It was a great interview. It was fun having you in here. But the room is better when it's full. Yeah, of course. A roundtable is better when it has people sitting around round table. And what this reminds me, this dynamic, reminds me when I sit across from the brothers. Because when the brothers are, you don't have to wait for somebody to finish.

You're already interjecting. It's very natural. And that's what you get. So carry on. Yeah. That's coming around to answer the question about like how you got around the dark web. Yes. Yeah.

And then to transition that to us, it's like it wasn't dad. Okay. The fun thing about their dynamic. And I had to ask myself this question. because if I want to be a parent one day, I want to ask, how the hell did he get me and Maddie and Sebastian on board with some of this stuff? Because a lot of kids just don't listen to their parents sometimes. Like the parent, and like I don't think that the like parents usually you try to say that they have the best intentions at heart because really truly,

I mean, if your parents love you, which most of them do, they just maybe not don't know how to really show it. It just depends on what their, what their story was themselves. But dad gave his story to us, like as in what his tumultuous past was, but he also gave the story of his own parents so that way he could explain how he turned out the way he was. Both mom and dad communicated their stories to us. Yeah, mom told us the exact same thing. And we needed to know all of that. Once again, I guess just for the details, at what age? Gosh, as early as I can remember. Maybe like younger than 13. Like we just, yeah. Yeah. We would get stored. Well, like, you came back off the rigs when I was 13. So I got more of you

then. So that's probably when the communication was the most constant. But it was always communicated because even when dad or mom was having a problem with their parents at the time because only recently did dad lose his mom and only recently did mom lose her dad. And so when either of them had problems, like there was a period we didn't talk to her grandfather for like six years. But we weren't lost on that. Mom and dad both communicated with us. This is why this is happening. Right or wrong. This is the way it's going down. When it comes to sometimes you'll see the little thing where it's like, oh, this is for like adults. This is a grown up talk.

They never did grown up talk. They never did that with us. They always were like no subject will get untouched. Like sex, cannibalism, any politics doesn't matter. Religion does not. Only on curiosity though. Because it's not like, you know, in schools today, people are saying, oh, you should, children should know about sex. It's like, whoa, they're not even thinking about that yet.

Only when we inquired about, you know, does Santa exist? We would ask them. They didn't project onto us their beliefs. They would wait for the question and then, you know, then they would answer to the best of their ability or say, this is incomplete. We don't know, but we'll find out.

So, yeah. That's a big part of it too. That we're going to find out. Like, I was never afraid to say, I don't know. Yeah.

Like, to me, it's like, I didn't promote Santa Claus because I was like, I'm not giving credit to some myth about the hard work and the honor that it goes into to get these presents and to celebrate this thing. I'm not pounding that. off. I don't want you guys ruin it for anyone else, but this is our hard work. This is us demonstrating

our love for you through this gift process, right? And so, you know, they figured that out. I was always kind of like trying to mediate where are you in your development as a human being. I need, it's my responsibility as the guide, because that's all you are, meet you where you are. I will drag you into my world when the dictatorship of life demands it. Like if you got to move for a job or things like that, right? It's like, then it's like, okay, I'm going to have to give you an explanation. I'm sorry, then I'm pulling rank. This is what's going on.

These are the world world dynamics of the thing. And this is why we're doing it. Right. But otherwise it's happening. You have young kids. So it's like, hey, dad, why is this guy blue? You know, those little questions. Kids ask the greatest question.

But I'm like, but I always find I'm more willing to trust somebody who says, I don't know. I actually don't know, let's go find out. Yeah, I'm about that. I like that too. I like that. Yeah. I like that. Because when you just act like you know everything, which there are guests on the podcast that, you know, if you ask them a question, they're going to give you an answer.

And it's like, do you actually know, though? Yeah, it might be a confabulation. Yeah. I mean, there's a lot of confabulations. You know, like I like the answer on Santa Claus, right? Because I always, you know, with my oldest, I'm always curious because he's, you know, like one of the things about kids is they are sharp and they are sponges and they're soaking up everything. Like, well, what do you think? Right. I've asked that to my daughter too.

What do you think? You think? Seven thought is? Hmm. And then you can see their brains start to spin on it. Right? Because they're, um, they're, um, they're way more perceptive than even I give them credit. That was the fun part of parenting in my mind.

Like one of the things about having a clan that's still together, you know, and the girls will continue to tell that story. But for me, I'm sitting back going like, parenting's easy. Like, honestly, they, like, I look at people that are like, oh, but it's so hard, I'm like, you're lying to yourself. Like, you're doing it wrong. Like, something's going on here that you're misplacing a dynamic. Like, the fatigue of kids that keep you up and the puking and the diapers and then, okay, I get that.

But that's like a thing. If mom was here, she'd be like, shit it. Well, I'm going to sit back and say, no, because she felt the same way, but there was also a partnership between us too. Yeah. Like the home fire stayed burning in the ethos, whether I was there or not because of rigging, it wouldn't change. We were sitting around last night. So I'm coming off of, I keep saying this, because I expected it to end after like four days,

then it was like seven days, then it was like two weeks. I'm just starting to feel like myself again. So we're sitting around the table last night. We just had supper and the kids are all showing what they can do with their tongues, like the four leaf over or all the different things. And it's funny because you have myself and my wife.

And I can do all these kids. crazy things of my tongue. And she's, she just can't, like, you know, it's very basic. And so the kids are trying to get,

and I'm like laughing. I'm like, this is what life is. Right here, this moment. You have those moments as a dad, I think, you know,

where you're sitting around and you're like, oh, here's one of those moments. This does not happen. Usually we've got somebody crying and somebody yelling at each other. All three of them laughing,

doing silly things. And, and everybody's just, I'm like, this is what life is. Right here. This moment is so perfect. It's beyond perfect.

Right. Yeah. You got to remember to breathe it in. Yeah, you got to breathe it in. Yeah. Well, playing into the intellectual dark web thing, like, and why I kind of, we started on this whole trail is because he, like, dad, when he came to COVID and such, with the vaccines and all that, we weren't really awake.

We all had our different journeys. We had our different journeys. And we weren't awake to what the bigger entity of like the government's trying to kill us was. Like, we had no clue. And it was kind of like our story was very much. How, how, forgive me. I don't like asking girls their age.

But how old are you both right now? I'm 23. I'm 21. 21. Okay. So if I were, you were, you were like 16, yeah, 17. Yeah.

So high school? Yep. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it was COVID. It was high school. Your guys' graduation pictures are in a park. Yeah.

Because I had an online graduation. Yeah. It's on a screen and then they were like, no, throw up your cats. So just for my brain then, going into COVID, you weren't sitting there going, I'm not getting this. Or this is all fabricated. It depends on who you ask.

It depends on who you ask in our family. So our brother was working for AHS at the time as a security guard. So he's a very, I don't like to be inconvenience kind of individual. So it was the nurses and the staff that kept on asking him day in, day out, are you going to get your vaccine? And they kept nagging at him and he hates that stuff. So he was going to get it out of just so they'd stop asking him. It wasn't even, there was no research.

There's a really guy sense of logic. There wasn't even a fear of like, there wasn't even a rationality of like, oh, there's a virus going around. I should probably cure myself. No, it was, I want to cure myself with this headache. Like, that's what it was. So he was going to get it, right? And then for me and Maddie, like, we were like quite young and we were doing online high

school. So to me, I was thinking to myself, I'm like, I don't go out anyways. Like, I'm doing it online out at home. And I thought to myself, there's no bodies dropping in the streets. Like when I think of like pandemic, I'm thinking like legitimate pandemic. That might be unhealthy. Like, because there's lots of things going on in the background that we don't see. Hence all the people who were dying from the vaccinations, right?

But like when that happened, it was, I was just going to do the standard. Well, if mom and dad get it, I might get it. Like, because that was young, you're still the impressionable. You're kind of like, I don't know. Like, well, even for the mask wearing because I wasn't that, like, Sebastian luckily didn't get it. because the lineup was too long. So he came home that night, told mom and dad that the lineup was that long.

And it happened to be that mom had found, um, on Michaela Peterson's podcast, she had Dr. McCola who had the COVID-19 book. And mom went, Mike, I think you should read this like now.

He did it in 24 hours. And that night, he went, Sebastian, before you take it, just read this. That's all I'm going to say. Read this.

make an informed decision, be on your way. And so that's how both. And Sebastian knew, like, based on dad's parenting and even moms, less so mom. But dad is that he's not really much to interfere like that. Like, so when we kind, he's more receptive than he is sort of like initiatory. So like if we came to him with a question, he'll give you an answer and he'll give his honest response, right? But then to Sebastian, from his perspective when he was telling this, he was like, dad doesn't just like come up to me and say here's a book you should probably read it

i won't tell you what to do but you might want to be informed and sebastian was like okay this actually like this is important then like something's going on here yeah so then he read it he was like oh fuck i'm not getting that shit like yeah but for for me i was immediately i'm also a bit i'm a bit of a hard ass maybe from being his daughter but i was oh don't blame me for that hey but i was immediately like, no, don't need it. Because when we were going through the whole COVID and the masking experience, mom, like most women are susceptible to the peer pressure. You know, me and Macy were playing with not wearing our masks because we were doing all the research, listening to all these doctors, and we're going, well, then why the hell are we wearing the masks? I know we feel

the pressure and anxiety, but it's distinctly engraved in my brain of just the analogy. I think it was I'm forgetting the name of the Dr. Hopkins. Roger Hodgkinson. Yeah. Oh, yeah, Parkinson, not Hodgkinson. I know, I'm sorry. Sorry, Roger.

And I remember just the analogy of like the mosquito net and like the fence line and like a school fence line and then like how like a mosquito can like kind of get through that. And it was talking about that analogy with like the spike protein and the mask. And it's just like, oh no, that's getting through. That's like trying to keep a mosquito out of a school link fence. It's like you're not keeping. that out. It could just right through. So I was like, why are we wearing these masks? Yes, but mom didn't

necessarily agree with us because, you know, me and Macy wouldn't wear our mask and we go shopping with her and people would be saying something. We had people say, can you, if you're not going to wear a mask, can you stand over there? And, you know, at the time, I'm like 18, 19. I'm like, you're looking at me like I'm a virus. I'm going to kill your grandma. Like, that's not comfortable. That's because they were sci up to think that. They were sci up. But so even in our own household, you know, mom still wore the masks when me and Macy didn't. And there was some argues. because sometimes they would yell at mom for not getting her kids to follow the arrow, even though we're full grown adults.

And we and I would just be, I'm sorry, mom, but I learned about all the science. Why, what am I doing? Why am I following it? And so even with the vaccines, I mean, I was an immediate hard no. And I also had friends that I was trying to send the research to online. I had friends in Ontario from, you know, different youth groups and from my high school. days. So I would be sending them research going, this is what I'm learning. Maybe don't take it. And so I had other interests to continue doing the work outside of myself that maybe Macy didn't have as big of a

friend group at the time. So she was a bit younger. So all of us still had our differences amongst the COVID and then the vaccines and then even how, because that's one thing. We had her brother on our podcast recently. And I wanted to talk about echo chambers because you can make the assumption. even in the conservative movement or in the Alberta independence movement in a family of seven. Me and Macy have been accused of being the parrot of our father all the time. But they don't understand is that how things get played out. Like, sure, we have core values and we can agree now on the big picture. But if you ask, how should a country be, you know, run and which policy would be better,

those are the ways that life actually, you know, goes about. You've got to figure out how to demonstrate. yourself and that's where all of the nuance and antiosyncrasies come into being. And we disagree and we natter and interrupt on each other on a regular basis. We are definitely not an echo chamber. And even the independence movement, sure, everybody thinks it's an echo chamber because we all want separation, but you ask one person about, okay, what foreign policies would you do as an independent nation?

Completely different from what I would do. I mean, even partners that you would go with for foreign agreements on manufacturing, we couldn't agree on that because some people think, oh, you know, China's not the person you should go with. And meanwhile, I'm like, well, they have the best engineers. We should actually get them for infrastructure. All of these debates happen. And people don't think about that because they're so concerned with just agreeing on the minor things that they forget the golden bridges that you can build.

And I being in a family where verbal jiu jihitsu. Like we're a gym, we're a gym. Yeah, like dad said to me and I remember this and I just was engraved in my brain. There's only certain stuff that when you're a kid, like it just stuck out to you. And like, so I'm kind of like glad that I can share this with some people that are like, my kids are driving me crazy or whatever. But I just felt like there was two things that felt like the most like, hmm, to understanding actually maybe three things.

So the first one was that dad said to me that it's like, I've only been a parent so long as you've been alive. And when he said that, my brain was like, oh, he's never done this before. So why do I have all these expectations of him of like how he's supposed to be right? And don't get me wrong. Like you guys are supposed to be our guide. But the minute he said that to me, I was like, so it means that we're both learning how to do this together. Because I'm only ever like we're all, we all start as children, right?

And so like you never, no one ever comes into this world, not a child, right? But like, nobody asks to be here. But then he was like, I've never done this before. I'm new to this. So give me some grace. And it was like, oh, shit. And then another thing that he said was when anything goes wrong, the first thing that you should assume is that it was your fault.

Right. And so, and I felt like, oh, that. felt like more of a lift off the shoulders to kind of go like, oh, so if something's wrong, it might not be just the world's problem, because if it's the world's problem, that's a little bit harder to deal with. But if it's my problem, then I can do something about it. And that actually played into, we were on like the Kathy Flett and Angela Toback show when they were the ladies that you had on your podcast. I listened to it. Oh, okay. And like the thing that I was reiterating that I think still resonates because of just that past axiom that still just kind of always

stayed with me was that I feel responsible for the environment that I'm around for the surroundings that I'm in. I feel responsible for the culture because every decision I make, everywhere I place or don't place my attention is playing into the world that we're physically sitting in right now. And so that was something that, again, first person that you assume is anything wrong. It's probably you, right? But it means you can do something. And then I think the last thing that was also helpful was dad said he was like to these are the three things yeah and i know it's like super formulistic and not everybody's going to understand or want to follow this but it's just my own experience um he was like you have the right to make your case and state your argument and criticize me

and it's almost like in that show uh the one with will smith and his actual son in the film uh the pursuit of happiness right and he was just like question everybody buddy He's like including me. And so then he kind of, he told us that. He's like, make sure you question me. And they said, but I have the right to defend myself. And so he added that in there as in like you can criticize me, but don't think that it's just I'm going to take it with lying standing.

You know what you have over most people? So I've had, obviously I have an interesting seat in, you know, what I've gone through when COVID and then talking to people and all these different things. and people always ask me, how did you get through it? And I always point back to the book club. And I should add, Mel, but the book club was a safe place to walk into, an actual safe place,

but it's that. You have your right to think what you thought, but don't think for a second. The other guy isn't going to come at you with his own thoughts. And what's healthy about that is then you can walk away and you're like, huh, that's a good thought. Got to go think about that. There's iron sharpens iron social.

Right. And most people don't have that. And certainly most people don't have that in their own house where they got a whole bunch of capable people that are walking around, brandishing iron, going, you want to go? All right. It's a formidable house. Right. And then, you know, I'm hopelessly outnumbered all the time. Because one of the things I told Mel in the middle of COVID, you know, like if I'm not going to take what all these brilliant people are telling me and start using some of it, what the hell am I doing?

Damn straight. I'm honestly just turned the podcast off and go work. There's nothing wrong with the 9-5 job. full stop right i i made a good living in the outfield we're still doing that a lot of great people but if you're gonna if you're gonna have all these people come in and take their ideas because you're talking to brilliant people and not put it into your life what are you doing and uh you know and so then we started doing some of that now you can't implement every idea that that's you know like that's a pretty difficult thing but there is a lot of similarities a lot of patterns of life

that start coming through a different thing that's that is interesting And, yeah, I'm listening to you three and I'm like, oh, what you have is what I have with the book club, except we meet once a week. You guys are in the same house. So you can have it every third meal or every second meal or every morning coffee. Sure. We didn't anticipate it that way. No, no, no. But that's the beauty of it.

Our story, like the COVID story, that was a humbling experience for me. Like, I'm a, I would, let's say this. there are several times in my life where I considered myself to be pretty savvy. Not maybe so much with the egocentric side of things, but I mean, given the background of my life and that I lived. So it could be argued grace of God. Fair enough.

We can have that conversation. Some of it do do shrewd behavior and things that, an individual that leaves home at a very young age and gets a street life and then comes up from it to be able to have a clan and a family. So I honestly thought I had an idea of the world and that my journey on the rigs and the sacrifices that I, my wife and I willingly knew like, I'm going to go and do this thing. You're going to stand guard and watch over the clan. And then every time I come home, I'm going to interject whatever I can during that time. And then the COVID thing, I had to look at my family and be like, I'm so sorry.

like I've got to take responsibility for this I didn't see any of this coming and so then the first thing is is I had to humble myself and go you you're the strong man at the door and I'm not one much for like dropping F bombs but if anyone's going to fuck with your family they got to get through me and the government went and messed with my family and I didn't even know exactly how to defend them so you want to talk to talk about ripping the guts and chest out of a rigor. I've been a warrior on the iron. I've survived things. I've been halfway around the world doing this job. I thought I was doing right by my family. Work hard. Put them in a position to succeed.

Know about Connor McDavid. Before Connor McDavid knew about Connor McDavid. You know, like that's the world. You vote every four years. And then all of a sudden you realize that this situation happens. Your family got ostracized. But because of a medical decision, we used to love going to movies together

we used to like going to restaurants together we used to do this stuff together like the family thing that everybody's like so proud of us for being and having and then when we decide we'd like to go and exercise it within our society we literally got ostracized because we took the time to think

like ultimately that's the consequence so of course I had to apologize I'm like I didn't know where we were and that's on me and this world doesn't get to do that to me twice and then that was it when it came down to start you realize that thought process process is pretty much the idea for the Cornerstone Farm.

Yeah, actually, I do. I was at the first one. I never, ever, ever want to be caught. I was trying to scout you out to find out if you were worth having for the injection of truth. Remember? Matthew, Matthew, Matthew. I do remember. Yeah.

I gave you a ticket for that if I remember. You did. Yeah, and that was important because I felt we needed Canadian voices for that. That's a little feather in the cap for anyone doesn't know. My family helped play a role in both injections of truth, obviously credit due to all the people. Yeah, yeah. did the thing because I love them. They are still avidly a part of our lives as a family.

But that's a part of it is like what happened in the downstream consequences of the, the realization that the map of my world was not what I thought it was. And then it was time to take a very sober look at it. Yeah. That led me to what is now like, you know, the LaHeed crew and the men's group, TBOF turns into TBA, TBA, TBA turns into UCP, UCP turns into UCP, UCP turns in APP. Like, pick a three-letter acronym. and now it's the independence movement and stay free Alberta like I know we're uh David Parker put

out a legitimate challenge so thank you David you know you and I don't agree on a lot of things but when it comes to calling a man out he did it stood up made a statement about okay so you don't like what you're seeing in libraries and you don't like what you're seeing in around the world so are you on a board you don't get to shame me that often in my life I'll take it I got a humble heart on that aspect but once a person does that and they call you out and you know damn well you could do something about it. I was that guy. There was a meme when the whole COVID thing was starting to go around.

And then they started running the mandates. And it was sort of that that burly looking dude that looks like he was like a lumberjack. And he looked at the camera and he says, I was the guy that you were supposed to leave alone. You didn't. You're going to regret this for the rest of your existence. That still stands. You should have never messed with my family.

we don't have that in men anymore. We have to get it back because that's what they did. Well, the only thing I would say, we do have it in men. We've just forgotten enough. Above that. I will agree with that statement.

We've been lulled to sleep. Yes, we have. Yeah. Hockey. Way too much. I gave it up. Gave it up completely.

I found it again. Yeah, I get it. Nothing crazy. I think of, I think of how much sports I used to, watch. I didn't even, I watched, and only because of the Mash bill, I watched one overtime quarter of NFL this year, football in general. And I'm not saying I would have sat down every Sunday, but,

I learned this through COVID. If I focus, hyper focus on one thing, I start to lose my mind. Right. And so a little bit of Connor McDavid or whoever, it doesn't matter, team can to lose in there the other night or other morning, I guess, you know, like, but you know, but it's funny. Oh yeah, no, no, no, no, no, no. But they lose. And, you know, my kids were upset. I'm like, ah, it's just a hockey game, guys. Yeah.

And actually, you know, if I was Connor McDavid, I'd be really upset. If I was Nathan McKinnon, Sidney Crosby, on and on, I'd be real upset. But at the end of the day, it's the hockey game. And there are a lot of things way more important to me than, you know. And I mean, it's a funny realization to sit back because I used to be so emotional about that. Yeah. But I don't think. You know, like, I told my kids, you know, the more important thing, I'm coaching, helping coach my oldest right now.

And I'm like, ah, the more important things of you 11 hockey game coming up. We went in 1, 6'1, and that felt pretty good. So, like, you know, you're not wrong. I just, with men, it's not gone. It's just, it's a little bit forgotten. And we can all find it because we all are finding it. Tons of men. Jordan Peterson, man.

I really wanted him on the podcast. And then I interviewed Tammy for the second time and his arm came on the podcast. I'm like, okay, again, fair enough. All right, he's been on the podcast because his arm's been on it. I find that pretty cheeky. But regardless, I look at Jordan Peterson and what he's ignited in men, young men, men in general, that's been really interesting. You know, you talk about your journey. The reason the podcast is sitting here is largely due to that man.

Yeah, incremental progress is a fantastic concept. Yes. And it's important because you don't realize how much you can lift. at the end of it. You know, I mean, it might be unfortunate about some of the personal avenues

that have happened for him and his story. I don't have as much faith in the individual's demonstrations and some of the organizations plus downstream theology that floats behind his, his current position.

Yeah. But that, I would never not look that man in the eyes, give him a thank you, shake his hand, and be like, I totally appreciate the building block that was provided at a time that was very, very necessary.

But even, Even his choices still influenced me to this day, right? I watched him go to the, oh, that's an interesting choice. And then I watched it play out. Well, maybe that was a poor choice. Yeah. Right?

And even his actions all the way up, love or hate all of them. Yeah. Still influence me because I sit there and watch it again. That was a strange choice. That was a, you know, so much of what he did, wrote about stands for, and then watch where he goes in life. You're like, but you're not following some of your own principles. Some of the most brilliant men.

Nassim Taleb, I showed up to my brother, Dustin. We read Nassim Taleb. Then Dustin, in the middle of COVID, was explaining to Nassim on X how he wasn't following his own principles, and Nassim blocked him. And said something along the lines of, you don't think I know what I already wrote about,

blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then went on to go full on COVID hysteria. That's a left hemisphere. Right? And you're like, and we all sat there in the book club. We're like, this is wild. We literally read Nassim to Lab, then tried pointing out to the seam like you're not going with your own principles,

and you blocked him for it. Yeah, I did Maps of Meaning twice, and I did all of his books a couple times. You know, the other ones were a little bit lighter reading compared to maps of meaning. Yeah, 12 rules for life beyond orders. Yeah, yeah. Well, that's the thing about worshipping one individual.

It's like we appreciate Jordan Peterson, but even Jordan Peterson when, you know, I just took two, leave me alone. It's like, okay, so it's a good thing we don't look at one individual and then create you as our new idol or ideology. Yeah, you can't idolize the man. Yes. That's right.

He was just for me, and probably for a lot of us, was very instrumental at a very important time to. I concur with that. It just took me from this and pushed me over there. Well, that's why we, we mentioned,

you just like said left hemisphere, right, but like my brain kind of goes, like when it comes to learning anything from anyone that we dive into, the podcast from because we listened to it too because we basically just like saw that he was walking his own talk right he was like I'm sorry but like he listens to like hours upon hours of podcasters and books and I'm like I can't keep up like I feel like how you feel with Matthew

I feel with him like oh yeah he came up so he'll just be like spouting off something and it was also just listening to how great of a communicator he was and something about that was like man I wish I could be that like there was something that was like I wish that I had that knowledge I could communicate I could try and explain things to the best of my ability as much as I can. And I'll update as I go. Like, it's just, that was something that we wanted to do.

So when it comes to all of the knowledge that he's acquired, I'm like, I'm sure I need to like play ketchup and I'm still playing ketchup. And I will be because I'm like this. But I'm, when I was talking about. And you realize it's not a race, right? No,

I know, right? Like one of the cool things about life is, it's just not a race. Like, don't get me wrong. There's certain things you got to, you got to go fast towards. But like when it comes to like gaining wisdom,

you're saying that as a middle age man. Try to say that to a 17 year old. 21 right now. I'm just, but I meant that the time when the journey for them started. But you know, we get to impart that, that little,

that little quid pro quo that you offer there. It's like, yes, we get to do that because we've already got that extra batch of life on us where we've taken a few shots or in a few more battles. Right.

But when they're sitting back going, but they're exactly, at the university age, that manipulating the I Need to Save the World Syndrome that happens because of the right hemisphere finishing its development, why do you think the universities are breeding zones for creating activists and radical mindsets? Because of what she just said. It's actually within the dynamic of how their brains are developing and our oligarchical system knows this. That's why the British brought the education system into India at the time that they did. So they know that this is going to be a part of their journey.

And they plan on harnessing it, manipulating it, and nudging it in a direction. That's why you get the divide of the, okay, boomer, right? It's like now you're, now you're, and then the wedge comes in and they pry the youth away from their elders. Where, where the camaraderie of one another is how you find the solution. On the flip side, I wish I could approach, because like the other thing is, is you, as a young individual full of piss and vinegar and energy. And don't you,

don't you wish you had that back? I mean, like all of us wish we could go back to almost right where you're sitting because you have nothing but life ahead of you. Give me 26. So I weigh my right hemisphere is finished. No, no,

I agree with you. I agree with you. But like, you know, because I was a moron. One of the things, one of the things in order to do all of this, there was a

a Joe Rogan Annie Jacobson interview. I didn't actually like the interview that much. She wrote the project paperclip. She's written a bunch of books since then. But anyways.

No, no, just for the audience. Just for the audience. Right. I assume a lot of them know it too and I assume a lot of them read Project Paperclip,

which was a very interesting book. But like the actual interview on Joe Rogan wasn't that good until she stumbled into men stuck in quiet desperation and she got the quote wrong and then Rogan clarified it for and then he went on this like three minute monologue

that was just perfect for my stage of life and my stage of life was he was talking about you being stuck you have a wife and you have kids and you have bills to pay and you're stuck in a job you don't like I was like check check check check and then she's like oh you can't get out of it he's like oh you can get out of it and then he walked me through in like two minutes

exactly what I needed to do and I'm like oh okay well that's that's doable I mean you know like it's not and he any points to 21 as being everybody at 21 should go and I'm going to tell you it's not a race but on the flip side Rogan would basically say this is where you should push as hard as you absolutely can and you should go do everything against what I just said because literally you have nothing but you have like all the things you want you have none of the the ties of like I don't know a marriage kids bills a job you don't like because you can just quit it to

women go do what you want to do. And you do have the time and energy to do it. And so on one side, you know, I agree with what I'm saying. It's just figuring out where you want to put the time in energy. Sure. Like you have it, but you need to figure out, well, what's going to be your foresight, right?

Like going forward. Well, that's why the, you know, Jordan Peterson did interview Ian McGilchrist, who wrote the master in his emissary. And he liked the idea that McGilchrist brought up attention is a moral act. because putting your time is putting your attention into something. And the one thing, the disease that our generation really falls into is the cult of interesting.

Oh, that's interesting. I learned about, it's funny because I had friends who would tell me all about the Titanic and they would watch these three-hour documentaries. It's the Olympian or the Olympic or whatever. Yeah, they would, all of these things. And at the time, I took it for granted. It's like, there is something to be said about the Titanic going down and who was on it when it went down. But the point of being... But you know that they weren't doing anything with it.

They weren't doing... They were just saying it. It was just a cool fact. And we're like, what are you going to do about that? Like conspiracy. Oh, that's cool. That's cool. That's interesting. But they don't...

Nothing that they can make palpable. And that's the one thing that's doing... We don't just look into anything. We're even... It sounds like we are because we have, you know, general knowledge about a lot of things. But we still pick that strategically. It's things that we believe can help people

and things that can put, elevate their minds into another position. It's not something that's just a cool fact you can bring up at a party trick or say, oh, great, I've killed the last three hours like, oh, I listened to a podcast while I did laundry. At least I can say I did something, you know. And that's why the brain in our family is so vital because it's a part of the learn about what you are to negotiate who you are.

I mean, the school system has us literally from the time you are yay tall and then all the way and then went through high school then into university you're 18 20 21 22 your brain doesn't finish till we're like 25 26 you may have you in the system the entire time that your brain is developing so all of the skills and critical thinking you think you've garnered and the decision making that's again develops when you're 25 26 they have co-opted every single part of it through the entire school system yeah and like and like i did a presentation for Matthew's Rising Tide Foundation actually once when I was like,

I don't know how old I was at that time, maybe. Isn't that long ago? A couple years back. Maybe? I might have been. And that was terrifying, but I did it. And it was a presentation entirely on what I was learning

from the master and his emissary and what we knew from that time because I was like, he started reading it and then he started talking about it. I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa, this sounds like we've cracked a code to something because what it was is like, all human beings, they operate on some form of a model when it comes to thinking about the world. Even like me saying that is using a model, right?

Or saying that it's like, oh, I don't use a model. You just kind of order to, it's like, it's like, well, I don't have a click. It's like, well, you just made one. Like that. Like, your click is the non-cliques. Like, you just did that. And you didn't even realize it, right? So, but it was the question was more like, what models kind of encompass other ones?

Like, I said, make room for other ones. And that was what we were finding with even some of the, I guess, kind of approaching questions like the transgender movement or the wokeism that's been happening, right? It's like a lot would argue that they're just not making room for another perspective, right? And it's like how I kind of use it with the analogy that was in Master and his emissary in Ian's work was there was this person who thought that they were on fire. Like they genuinely think that they're in fire. And if you're in a psych ward, and Sebastian, our brother worked in with a bunch of AHS patients. So it's like, there's some wacky people out there that think some very interesting things.

And it's paranoia and it's damn near schizophrenic. And it's all attributed to almost like a right hemisphere dysfunction. So you're overreliant on your left hemisphere. But these are behavioral things that really manifest in the world. And so when people, Matti talked about like attention as a moral act, both of your hemispheres, it's almost like Gellum and Smigle, where you have to. different kinds of opinions and brains in your head. It's like two different perspectives.

And it was one of his questions that he was trying to answer was, well, why is there two? Like why do we even have our brain not as this one thing and it's got a corpus callosum and it's split and there's two hemispheres? He's like, why do we have that? And so what he found was that there's like two ways that we kind of have to attend to the world simultaneously and they damn near almost contradict each other. But one of them, the model thing, encompasses the other one better than the other one encompasses that one. There's a restriction because with the patient being on fire example, it's like we're looking at that person who's

saying, I'm on fire, right? We're like, no, you're not. But we're looking at them with two function, like with an entire functioning brain. So one part of them is split and like not working right hemisphere is not doing its job. So they think that there's this paranoia, there's this schizophrenia, there's this story that they've created or they genuinely think this. So we would look at them and be like, that's not akin to reality because we're seeing it, though, having more of an encompassment of their model, because we can acknowledge that it's, that's how they're feeling. And we can acknowledge that that's genuinely happening for them. It's like, oh, shit, this guy genuinely thinks he's on fire. And then we're, we're seeing that. But he can't see the minute we

come to say, you're not on fire, because there isn't something there that it's almost like, well, they don't have the other ping. You can't encompass our model as well as we can encompass yours. So there is no ping there. And so when we were going down, like, kind of like the mode of attention and like attention as a moral act, it was when we learned the hemispheres, like, holy shit. Like there's one part of us that we were mentioning before like when someone gets stuck, right? And they just, they think they're somewhere and they just won't give up.

And then like you were mentioning the book that you guys read in that person, you were like, hey, but you're not even adhering to your own principles, like instant block and instant just, that's basically the person on fire going like, no, no, I'm not, I'm on fire. That's no. And we call it left hemisphere lock. And we call it left hemisphere lock because we were learning it and we were like, holy shit. Like, so when we were transpiring that into like the microcosm to the macrocosm of like, kind of like oligarchical figures and Matthews work, because Ian Gilchrist in his book, one of the

things he says is, I want it so that people will take this work further than what I have put here. It's like, I want people to take it further. And we thought when we read Matthews, we were like, this takes it further. Because we were like, now we can understand the, like, with the brain and the psychology of the oligarchical figures, like what's going on on that system. But then we also understood our own little mini oligarchs inside of ourselves. And we were like, well, I can just as easily kind of be like, no, talk to the hand, right? And be dismissive. And just to stay in my own little world of what I is that I think that I know, right? As much as anybody in this room.

And then same thing. Yeah, like with dad or Maddie or you. And so we were like, holy shit. Like, so not only is the oligarchs aware of the fact that our brains can do this thing, but then they manipulate it. And so then the minute we learned how they're doing that, like, yeah, they built. They've built entire systems. Yeah.

To actually, most human beings would have a very difficult time. And this is actually evidenced within his work. Like never mind just the master's emissary, which was a 2009 book. When you get to the conclusion and he writes it, he was predicting in 2009 just based on playing out the hemispheres. And if you have a higher left hemisphere proclivity culture, which we do and is designed to be that, which it is, you end up with schizophrenic outcomes, which we have. And that was in 2009. He then decided that he was going to put out two massive volumes called A Matter of Things. and I'm in the midst of mulling that down.

But it is the culmination, accumulation of tons of evidence that we have generated ever since the bad guys got into the physiology of social psychology, psychiatric drugs being introduced, the MK Ultra program. And he's showing you because they used to sever the corpus callosal. to stop epileptic seizures. So what they found from some of that information is that you, like an individual, a human being, every single one of us, because God gave you that wonderful piece of meat between your ears. Okay.

But when you sever the corpus callosum, you have two very, very individually distinct personalities. So if I was to take you and put you under transcranial magnetic stimulation and I, by frequency and magnetic pulsing can shut down one hemisphere. And I put a camera and I record Sean Newman under a right hemisphere proclivity of thinking. Then we change it up when we run the stimulus to be the left hemisphere thinking.

And then Sean with both online gets to look at both those videos, you'd be like, either of those aren't me. And you would be correct and incorrect at the same time. Because no, that's constantly what's happening inside you. So there's two questions. For the religious, why did God design it that way? So please don't dismiss how important your brain is

and that you don't even get to interpret your journey of faith without that wonderful thing that he put between your ears. You're also presuming too much with one of the hemispheres about the model because the left hemisphere will hang on to literature over reality, which is why you get the, well, God said it, I believe it, that settles it, people that anchor in. on their faith so diligently about a book and the literature in the book that they go to syllogistic thinking a equals b equals c equals d and they they become so heavenly minded they're no earthly

good or the other way around you're going to get yourself so earthly minded you're so yeah oh sorry it's just well are we okay to keep going on this no no it's it's a good thing to pull up a literal example because what dad's talking about yeah i think it seems like an abstract idea idea until you look at the study. Yeah, there's evidence. And yeah, there's, that's why like the most thing like when we talked about this with people is when we start telling them the examples, like of just the patients and what you, like,

you're like, what? And so there was this one, uh, it's, this isn't the matter with things example and I hope I have the whole thing here. I might not. But it just said that like, um, there was, it says take the following example of a syllogism with a false premise. So this was. a patient that was being done and the doctor was giving these false premises and it was just

seeing what was going on inside of their brain. I think that it will tell you what, as I keep reading, which hemisphere was being magnet magnetized, I guess. Transprennial magnetism. Yeah, yeah. So it says major premise, all monkeys climb trees. Minor premise, the porcupine is a monkey. Implied conclusion, the porcupine climbs trees. So then this person says, well, does it. As Deglin and Kinsburn demonstrated, each hemisphere has its own way of approaching this question. At the outset of their experiment, when the intact individual is asked, like so intact, both are working. Okay.

Does the porcupine climb trees? She replies, using, of course, both hemispheres. It does not climb. The porcupine runs on the ground. It's prickly. It's not a monkey. annoyingly there

Gilchris is a brilliant author so he actually he puts in nuance so he said annoyingly there is in fact porcupines that do

climb trees but but it seems that the Russian subjects and their investigators were unaware

of this and therefore for the purposes of the experiment it must be assumed that porcupines

are not um aborial during experimental temporary hemisphere inactivations

the left hemisphere of the very same individual, same lady, with the right hemisphere inactivated, so they're relying more on their left hemisphere, replies that the conclusion is true. The porcupine climbs trees since it is a monkey. When the experimenter asks,

but is the porcupine a monkey, she replies that she knows it is not. When the syllogism is presented again, however, she is a little non-plaused, but it replies in the affirmative since that's what is written on the card. like as and she says well that's what's written on the card when the right hemisphere of the same individual with the left hemisphere and activated is if the syllism is true she replied uh i have it

like taken off but i remember it because i've read it so many times but she basically replied she's like the porcupine doesn't climb trees it's not a monkey yeah but it's not a monkey but it's not a monkey it's funny because us looking at that i mean we can all look at after doing the research we can from a bird's eye view go like it's obvious and even with your book example of the author like well clearly you're not following your own rules clearly there's some contradictions this doesn't make sense your right hemisphere recognized the pattern instantly yeah that's that's actually its job its job is to notice and recognize patterns and put it together well based on in context based on lived experience though based off of living experience so like why are we reading this to you kind of thing it's like

when it's talking about the subject and it's just relying on the left hemisphere it's it's saying that, well, if it's written on the card that a porcupine's a monkey, then clearly it's a monkey. The paper said so, and therefore it is true. Because it relies on physical, it's, its job. That's why most people nowadays are right-handed because the left hemisphere controls the right side of the body. So its job is to deal with tools. That's why it's more precise for the most part. And so it will look at that piece of paper. It'll look at that book. And that book is more real than the author. The thing that it's said on the piece of paper, well, the porcupine has to be a monkey because it says so on paper. The left hemisphere trusts inanimate objects because it's something it can hold, use, manipulate.

But it's so it doesn't actually acknowledge, even its own body. There were patients when you shut down the right hemisphere. The left hemisphere does not acknowledge the entire left half of the body. Some people would even say some of the patients were like, no, no, no, no, there's a big wood, wood plank. here, but there's a body here. They would describe it with machinery. An animate object. Something dead, not living. Yeah, I mean, it's a machine,

but this side's real. The left hemisphere literally does not acknowledge half of the existence. You know what you're telling me? I've got to read this book. Right? Because that's very, very, very curious. Well, our mom go through life without using your brain.

Exactly. You can't. You can't. But on, from where I sit, one of the things I like about Chuck Proudnick is he talks about recognize the patterns of life yeah right yeah I loved his bullets and bean speech at the first corner stop

and then when he encouraged people to go out and lift heavy things and do things that shoot things that go pew pew pew so now I sit back and I go okay I took that challenge on there Chuck now I got a few I'd like to one day when I meet you face to face off for you to maybe so you got some blind spots

brother he's got tickets It's the cornerstone. Yeah, I'm looking forward to. I know people want to Chuck back, and I'd talk to Chuck. Sorry, on the side, I don't because people... Chuck's awesome. One of the things is I don't put these things out in a social media platform. So every once in a while, I've got to squeak them out to the people who...

Yeah, yeah. Me and Chuck can talk lots about him coming back to speak this year. And I'm not saying Chuck will never be back on, because I have a ton of respect for Chuck and Jamie and all the military guys. So I think there is a day when there probably... There will be... I would say there's a way in the future that are both there or one of them's there. But for this year, I had a really interesting idea I wanted to run with. So we're going to find out if it works or not.

And that just, there's only so many spots you can fill. Yes. But yes. So that's on a side note from the brain response that you wanted to. Well, well, the thing is with the brain, the thing about interviewing people is you start to see patterns. Mm. Mm. Yeah.

Of course. Yep. And that's interesting. I've been listening to a lot of your programs. I've spent more time with you. in my ear than I've ever been in yours. Yeah, well, that's, you know how odd that is for me? It's like having like a stalker.

No, no, no, I don't think of it. I can, I can actually recognize personality traits then in you and how you demonstrate yourself and I can conduct myself in that way with you almost as a stranger. So I'm almost being rude and overly familiar with you. Right? Right. Because I've had this friendship with your mind and your guest's mind. for hundreds of hours,

but I've only been able to shake your hand about four or five times. Like I'm very thankful for all the interactions that I have. But the thing is, is like, I could look and see a brother, someone that I love. I would promote the show. If you wanted like my body to help protect you and your family,

I already have. I already, right. Like I've already got that. But the thing is, is that you don't have that context. You don't have that context of this family. We have to keep in mind to not be overly familiar.

Yeah. Oh, absolutely. It's presumptuous. It's not rude. We did it. I mean, you put yourself out there, though. So it's like, I was going to say, hold on, guys. He thought, he thought, he put himself out there to be recognized.

I don't put the word. I guess the word that comes to mind isn't rude. I don't think any of it's rude. But it is strange. I sit and I have different people, lovely human beings come up. And they start talking, you're like, huh. They're really strange, right? Because you forget how much squeaks out over the course of hundreds of hours.

Yeah. Right? I've always wondered why, you know, if you listen to Rogan a lot, and maybe, I guess I did a tons, not as much these days. Does he ever squeak out about his kids and his wife? A little, here and there. But very little. Very little.

Like we're talking like minute. Yes. I don't. You mean like Charlie Kirk's kids? Yeah. Are we starting to go down that thing? That's a Dave Collum conversation. The thing about it is that I find fascinating about that.

is I'm like, I don't try and blast my kids' faces everywhere. I think that's a dangerous thing too, like the opposite way. But it is such a part of my life. I can find them. You know that, right? You've had pictures of your life. Well, it bleeds out. No matter how hard, it's like trying to hold.

If I put a... The more solar systems, the tighter your grip, the more solar system slipped to your fingers. Yes. That's for you, Tom. I think if I were to cup of water or fluid, and then try and squeeze. I can't do anything about it. So as much as I don't want to talk about my kids and my wife,

such a huge part of my life. It just, it just oozes out. You don't say. Right. Exactly right. So like when I think about Rogan, what I find very interesting is you don't know a whole lot about anything

about its personal life. It is there if you listen, but such small quantities where like, I don't know, man, I don't know how to live that life. Right. This is just who I am, right?

I don't try and be one thing on the podcast and then go be something different. That doesn't make any sense. That type of consistency is really important. I found that that was one of the oddest dynamics about the rigs for working with like, I know one day maybe you'll run a blue collar with rigors. No, no, no, we are. I'll happily. No, no, and I've already been thinking about this.

If you don't mind. In the studio, I was telling Tuesday this literally. Yeah, should be here. Should have the boys. And I actually think it should be you, Chris Scott and twos, all three guys who used to work the rigs, but have gone on to do way different things now. Yeah, I had to reinvent myself entirely. And that was a two-year journey, that one. So that's a story for that time because you had to recreate yourself.

I'm hitting the gong and putting the challenge out, twos and Chris Scott and yourself. We'll make that. I think that'd be very interesting. Yeah, sure. Yeah, I'd drive back up for that. And I mean, like, and I guess like this is a part where like, so I apologize and said over familiarity because like, you know, This isn't the first time I came to Lloyd because I came to that first one. You offered the ticket and I came up because like one of the passions for me personally,

like the wheelhouse where I have taken the knowledge, I have integrated it and I now take it very personally is the downstream consequences of the jabs, the quantity of death that we still have, the lack of conversation that is now it's like we didn't just get pigeonholed. It's down there being officated. It's not being talked about. I'm still up. to date in that world. I still pay attention to the papers and the studies and the doctors. So coming up here to meet you for the first time, like that was a passion project for me. And this is going to get to the comment about the consistency of on the camera, off the camera. Sure.

On the rig, off the rig. I was the same man. That's important. That's who you are. Lots of guys. I met hundreds of men that how they were on the rig and then I would meet their significant others and their children for whatever reasons. like, because I actually really did like to try to create dinner opportunities.

Sure. It was easier in Canada than my boys in the iron down in the United States, obviously. But the thing is, is that they would be a different guy in how they would conduct themselves. And I'd be like, why are you dishonoring yourself and your wife? And they'd be like, well, dishonoring. I'm like, I just don't, I don't get it. Like, the man that I'm working with, you may be, maybe you're not as effective as a communicator on, with the misses as you could be and you should be.

Because the fellow that I'm dealing with on the drill floor, you know, you yell at me when I, when I do you were wrong, which is fair enough, you can call me out on that aspect. Some guys will turtle with a hard hat head to head and be like, you know, you chirped your duty under 12 hours as far as they're concerned. But they didn't understand the details of what went on in the shift for them to be upset at you. But how you conduct yourself, this is your demonstration. Your word and your demonstration is all you have. and it became more valuable to me in the 2020 after era because of course I have my fallibilities. I'm not talking about self-righteousness.

I'm talking about consistency of demonstration. Even if it's a, we jokingly say on the rigs, do something even if it's wrong, but do bloody something. Because not acting is not an option. There's two cans in the oil patch. If you can't do it, you can't stay. So you have to be this person.

So if you can have that within your heart and soul as a person that's on the iron, you should be able to bring that home with your family. And that's what I saw when I met you for the first time on a face-to-face was the individual that I did catch on camera, on camera, seemed very honest and sincere about how they were trying to navigate this world. And you're a Canadian and the very first injection of truth.com. Which, for those who have not watched that, go back and do so. Because there is context here, and this story hasn't ended.

and that consistency is what prompted while I was like, yeah, I want I want Sean Newman to be the host of the thing. Darrell Comick wanted to be able to work with some of the politicians because we, you remember we had a certain amount that were involved because we're trying to appeal to our government. We're murdering our fellow citizens through policy and Psiop. We have oodles amounts of people that are never going to have children and they don't even realize that. that this has happened to them. Okay? And we haven't even gotten to that yet. We're five years in on an experimental

phase of this injection into their lives. We're still dying at a 15 to 18% rate on average of excess death. Doctors being baffled is still a wonderful statement that floats around out there. It's like, this isn't over. We're still got people, and that's

the consistency of Demas awake. We can't let this go. Even with the whole independent. In fact, that's one of the motivation. things for a great number of people in the independence movement. I know it's not everybody and I understand that. But this is a big part of it. And it's that demonstration.

That's what I love about you. That's what the people who met you when you got involved and you got to, like you have all sorts of relationships and ties now into that world that, you know, we help bring to you and you were happy to play a role in, you know, it's like that's a part of the community side of things. And trying to demonstrate ourselves with some consistency and not forget the fallen.

Like, never mind just our veterans. What about all the people that took that that damn jab? The quantity, we haven't even begun. The stuff that I'm still seeing for research with the hyper-accelerated, you know, going from zero to stage four cancers, like this, it's not over. And this has to be solved and figured out or at least talked about. Face the monster. Yeah, I think the monster aspect of it, because like I was eyeballing dead's book

that he brought here as well. as well because there was a quote that he wanted to share and I hope he does by I don't know how long we're going for but like by the time we reach a point in this podcast um to do that thing the bladders no no no there's no bladders that are not working yet what if i got to go pee you go outside um but um the monster aspect I think was and is such a huge part of the independence because like I actually think we should touch on this because it's like oh so we talked about our origin story and how we're getting into the podcasting and like the whole point for us as well as you is culture mainly like that's how we see it and also education and the biggest thing is community like what we when we first

were starting before we even turned on the cameras is a community and when mattie was talking you were saying like oh ucp rising stars and mattie instantly goes like no it was the community that made me cry because we didn't care about the label of like oh wow you're a ucp rising star like we didn't yeah we never and you shouldn't yeah it's still it's still enough nice tip of the cap. But your father just said is a nice tip of cap. I don't know what to do with that. That makes it.

That's almost, I feel odd with that, right? Like, that's a very nice tip of the cap. Because you've already overpaid me. You realize that, right? I gave you a ticket because you, I can't remember how it went. I'm like, oh, I'll just give you. I couldn't afford it. Just straight up, Sean.

I'm not a rigger anymore. No. I just throw money. The girls literally have a stub stack. Buy me a matcha. Like, they're hoping people are willing to invest in them. And I would like to encourage that. coffee that's why we do that as you've noticed i enjoy my coffee i've kicked so many

well trying to kick so many habits not that i have many but you know um coffee's one nice and i know i know i'm gonna get tax on coffee i just enjoy a good coffee in the morning regardless you know um you know um you pay me back more than you know like i don't know to me to me you really wanted to come to the show like oh the only thing standing in your way is is a ticket well let's just get that out of the way because I mean like I don't know the ripple effects of that one little choice and what it could do for the world so when you talk about culture it's like I sit here and I go like what I'm trying so hard to catch up on everything you know like I say don't race and part of the race is is I just don't burn out you're in a different you're in a different position than me it's like some days

I row you know a mile other days I I just stay in the same spot and sometimes I actually go back a couple. But I'm like, as long as I don't get out of the boat and I just keep rowing, I'm going to get to the other side. You know, when we bike Canada, Dustin was very, very, very wise. And that he, you know, I'm like, we're never getting across this country. 40 kilometers on the first day. Everybody's sore. I'm annoyed. And he's like, just going to get on the pedals tomorrow. We're going to bike a little more. And we're just going to, you know, eventually we're going to be across province and too. And that's the way I look at pretty much the journey in the podcast. I'm like, I'm just trying to learn a few things, right?

And you go, how long are we going? I'm like, I don't know. I don't know, but everybody else sitting here, but I'm enjoying the conversation. I'm happy. Like, it's, I don't know what it is about this room. But like, when you have a full round table. It's you, Sean. It's all you.

I just knew that. I've done, stop, stop. I've done, I've done little here. I helped. You guys are the ones that put me out. We should do this. I've just sat back and let you guys go. Like to me, this has been very interesting.

But if I don't talk about Alberta independence before you walk out of here, I'll be very annoyed because I was asking you about it on the dry boat. And then I'm like, nope, let's wait, let's wait. We're, you know, we're a ways in. And we haven't even really, we've touched, you know, we've touched the surface about it. And then we backed off. But I am kind of curious about the book, too, and the quote. So you tell me where we're.

So how about this? This will play in near the end if you're willing to give us the time. And then I'll read it and share. But it plays into the context. Actually, it's independence. Yeah. Why? Yeah.

Okay. Well, then. But by all means, like, everyone's got their own version of how to get, what we're doing in this. Okay. Well, I can start then tying it to the community thing. Because the reason I brought up the Maddie's point on the AGM thing and the UCB Rising Star thing was less. So, like, we can get into the whole conversation of like labels and how we just don't care for them. But it's more so.

So when me and Maddie almost cried when we got that award because of just not knowing our community did that. like for us. So we were like, it was a surprise altogether. So when you're I was going to digging the trench like I was getting ready to debate at the AGM. Like that's what I was freaking out about was just because they were like those youth debates and I'm like I want to participate in like genuine good thinking. So and present a different like, I don't know point of view. And so I didn't win in our like like we're also always behind. So we're always behind. So we're always playing catch up. So that moment at the table with your taking a moment to go, this is it.

Yeah, that felt like that. That was, that felt like that. People say you guys are young and you're, you're amazing and all this jazz. And then me and me say, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, whatever. Yeah, right. Because in our brains, we're like, we still have so much work to do. And there's so much people that still need our help. We have friends that are injured from the jabs.

We have friends that are injured from the, all of the puberty blockers. That's also a thing out there. We have, there's so much stakes in the games. We're like, we've got to keep going. going so moments like those we definitely it was like time to like pause and like see the community that's like lifting you up and I asked the UCP if I could get the letters that came in as like what people wrote down so I could thank them individually I still haven't gotten that yet I will I would get I'm like I need to keep talking to them because I really wanted to thank those people and like mom's like

yeah I got everyone and they like they wrote down like some people did essays I'm like wow that's so nice but it was the same feeling that me and Maddie also felt when we got invited to speak at the we unify conference like way back in 2023 like when we're first starting to dip our toes into like i don't know speaking on behalf of youth but it wasn't really like feeling like we were doing that it was just we're young and people are like wow and we're like okay um that's like how it feels and so our entire community rallied behind us to get us to bc because we can afford it so they were like well we'll help you out and so they literally like gave us physical money and hand said here you go and i was like i just made me cry if that's my camera man's group

I thought to myself, tying it back to the community thing is me and Maddie were just recently had a show on our podcast with Serena and Sebastian. I forget their last names. And there are two young people that I saw at the big four rally for independence. And I knew her from school from CGS when we went to an old girl school. The Calgary Girls Charter School. If you want to talk about feminists and the pusher of that, we got it down the throat. Yeah, we did. But we saw them there and then we were like, we want to have you on our show.

And the thing that really surprised me was Sebastian, this younger guy who's like 26 or something, he feels the exact way that we felt five years ago during COVID when you couldn't find anyone to talk to. And then the minute you did, you're like, wow, like, I actually have someone that relates to me. And he's feeling that now because he didn't know anything about the freedom movements that we've joined. And like, so that's where we do not take those for granted, right? Because he didn't know about any of them. He still doesn't really know about them. And so he's been alone thinking all of these things for such a long time.

And he's feeling it now with the Alberta Independence movement, though. And so something's like happened. And it's the exact same thing that happened with COVID, which is people were losing their jobs because of their opinions and, you know, misinformation and whatever the file. It's happening now because of Alberta independence. The guy, uh, Max, who does the Freedom Calendar. Now lost his job because of Alberta independence.

I'm like, man, are we still? doing this like like you would like we thought back in 2020 oh it's like it's 2020 we're still doing it's 2026 we're still doing this and so relating it back to like why it's important for us like the Alberta independence push per se exactly is because of the fact that there's there's still ostracization that's going on carney is still introducing bills that are just meant for censors like censoring people right and so when people think that an mo you like oh a pipeline's going to solve your issues. It's like we're still over tax because of again, a climate agenda that was absolutely bullshit. And now they're backpedaling on it. So to potentially, as Dumesford said,

unstick our oil for whatever nefarious means. What's the point of having a pipeline if you still don't get the income from it? Yeah. And also like, and also the fact that you can't even have conversations in your own country. Like, and you're losing your job still about you're a traitor to Canada because you're trying to just do a democratic process of just going through a referendum. Like, as you were saying, this whole theme of like, it's not, it's, it's a marathon, not a sprint. right? That's kind of what the Alberta independence movement is. It's like, yeah, we're sprinting for our petition and then our referendum and then, right? But the whole process of what it's going to look like, it's the first time in like Alberta's history, our voice is actually going to matter.

Like our voice actually matters in terms of where our future goes. And I think that that's where I'm like, well, guys, like that's pretty, that's pretty important because we can't, like, we shouldn't be neglecting what's been happening. It's almost like this should have never have been a problem. like the vaccine should have never been a problem because now getting back to like even dad's book that he wants to address and Maddie can get into her reasons for independence as well though is that that monster it's like there's something bigger here that not a lot of people are acknowledging because like as we were talking about in the car now people are asking questions of like oh why can't we stay because of this specific treaty because of this specific constitution act

the clarity act they're getting into the logistics of why we can't leave or why can't we stay or Why can't we do Senate reform? And now Danielle Smith coming out with all of these different questions about, oh, well, do we want to fix immigration? Do we want to have elected judges? Which also, by the way, she never put elected in the question. And if these are people in AGM that write down policies and they get really nitty-gritty, and there's little political freaks that are like, well, it has to be worded this way,

so that way it's clear. I'm like, you didn't put elected judges in that question. You put selected by the province. So I'm like, that's not elected. And I'm like, that wasn't a mistake. I'm just saying. And I'm like, these are people that they get so caught on semantics because it's a political party. I'm like, that's a side.

No, I'm not okay with that. But I'm just like, I'm, I know. But you obviously notice. Yes, I know. When you pick a team in politics, you become the team. And therefore, you cannot criticize the team. That's not true. And if you do, then you get ostracized for criticizing said team.

So when you say it's 2026, we can't ostracize people for doing it. doing a democratic process. I'm like, this is what we do as human beings. You're right? Like, if you, if you,

I mean, it's, you don't have to. You don't have to. This is what we do, but you don't have to. But the bigger monster is like, what happened with COVID.

It's like, they're killing us on purpose, guys. They, like, they only just recently have a chippy eye said, justice delayed is justice denied, right?

Justin Trudeau got to walk away after all of this happened. They admit to the mandates, not even the vaccine. just the mandates being illegal. The emergencies out being illegal. And I'm like, why are you not all in jail? Like, do you know how many people you fucking killed because of these mandates? Our suicide rates went through the roof.

She does more F-bombs than I do. Sorry. So let me throw a question at you three. Because I'm curious to something, and I'm probably going to pull us off where we're heading. You put a quarter in. You got to let it play. Yeah, that's right. That's good.

I like that. I mean, you did literally. that's a lot more than a quarter of a lot. Yeah. Oh yes. So I'll give you. I'll sing for you. You know what I'm like.

All these speaking events that are going on and all the different things that are being said online and everything else really, really focuses a lot on how much money you'll have if we leave. Yeah. Economics. This is the importance of it. This will give you all a future. It's going to, you know, I'm not opposed to more money in my pocket. Gee, that sounds awfully nice.

But for me, the monster not being talked about isn't just COVID. No, yes. It's like... Who gave us that? It's the DEI. It's the men can be boy or sorry, boys can be girls. I don't know, just like all the things that the monster is doing, right? And to me, like that's, I don't know, I guess at the core of me, more money and less money.

Well, sure, I want more. But like, I want insanity to stop. I don't know how to put it in a better wording than that. Maybe three of you can pull apart what I just said. No, that makes sense because it's the standard people. If you're too busy trying to meet your survival basic needs, you can't, you're not thinking about the environment. You're not thinking about your neighbor.

You're thinking about how do I get my next meal. And so when you are surrounded by ideologies, and this is another reason why I'm so adamant about people learning the brain is because even all of the distractions that you mentioned, you have the school distractions, and then the ideology is being pushed by teachers. Then you have, you go home and in your downtime, what do we do?

We scroll, we scroll, and they do ads that are tailored to our minds, so we get these dopamine hits. What does the left hemisphere run off of dopamine? It's primary chemical. So they are literally breeding a left hemisphere society via what we scroll, the medication we take also induces dopamine and it gets rid of oxytocin,

which is how we also connect more with physical people, you know, hug one another more. And so when it comes to all of the insanity, and it's funny you use the word insanity because if you look at schizophrenic patients, they look insane. And which hemisphere is that? It's the left hemisphere. And so if people understood that we are susceptible to what's on our phones, we are susceptible to to the things they put in our food. We are susceptible to the things they tell our children.

And because then we have to, like on the rigs, we have to undo everything that they taught us. So if we understood that a bit more, because it's so hard, especially with like this independence thing, I do not, it was really funny how many people thought that if Pierre Paulyev gets in, Canada is saved, Alberta is saved. And we don't need to do independence. I'm like, what planet do you live on?

Because when have we ever had a federal say? When? From the start of Alberta, the vote didn't matter. And just because you have a conservative federal person in doesn't mean there's Stephen Harper, why didn't the Alberta agenda go through? Gorey Morgan talks about it in his book. Why has every Alberta independence thing failed thus far? We've had conservative federal people in and it still hasn't worked.

And so looking, I'm all about community and local. And it doesn't, this Alberta independence movement, even on Duneberg, it was funny because it's really important to look at the threats and the global foreign interference, knowing Operation Gladiow, our movement could definitely get infiltrated. I'm sure there are hungry politicians, both in Canada and the U.S., looking at Alberta's resources for collateral for their banks and all their ledgers. But we're on the ground.

We're looking at physical people going out, going to Yuma, going to Ontario. Me and Macy have talked to a bunch of different. youth that are on board, but they're not willing to say so because they're in university and they're trying to get a degree to have a job and then put aside the DEI that comes with their degree that they didn't pay for, that they are now going to debt for. But all of the hate and ostracization, they're like, I can't, I can't do it. So I'm with you, but I'm just going to keep on the doubt. I'm going to be quietly with you. I'm going to be quietly with you. And I can't, I can't get mad at them because, hey, I get it. Though, if we're,

we're in that state there is nothing the federal government is going to do even on the provincial level even our city council in calgary is what has been corrupt for so long when you learn about things like kickley and then the the federal climate partner program that has been implemented since the 90s to put all the sustainable development goals into our municipalities they have over 500 of our municipalities that don't even know they signed on to that program because it's free meanwhile when you look It's like back to Landman when he's like, I'm sorry, all these windmills, do you know how much oil it took to put up there? Climate agenda is not free and all of these things. It costs money to be clean and it's not even that clean when you look into it.

But the point being and this big rant is just because the more when you, it's that prayer that I have on my wall that I stole from mom, God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, courage to change the things I can and wisdom to know difference. What Macy alluded to earlier was when the world is so broken and there's so much you don't control, go in words. That's what I can control. I can learn about my brain. And if I learn about my brain, I learn a little bit more about your brain and then her brain. And then I can, when you get a bit left locked or Macy's a little bit neurotic, I can handle you better. And then that translates to my community. So now maybe Alberta is a little bit against China more than I would advise them to be. That's okay. I know the brain. I don't have to get mad at you. I'm not

going to yell at you. I'm not going to yell at the young people that are scared in their left hemisphere steak because they've been berated. I'm just going to, I know your brain now. I can help you walk through it. I can walk myself through your anger. And so that's the Alberta independence to me is that micro, I learned about myself and the brain so I could better manage the things outside of myself. The Alberta independence movement is us trying to manage our little tiny brain so we can better manage the world around it and there's a lot around us. That's my micro to macro. That makes sense to me and that's manageable because anything else, gosh, it's more of the world than you. There's more of the world than us and it's hard enough as it is to get a local grasp on getting a

local vote. A referendum in our province is difficult to get, let alone trying to change your whole country and then get the Senate removed and reformed. I was like, I'm sorry. I'm going to try and do something that's tangible, palpable, and that's in my backyard. So I'm going to start digging here and in here. Yeah. They both just communicated something that was a part of the story,

and that's why we're here. There's nothing impractical about what happened. Like we went to a march way back when in Calgary over the, how the municipal government was handling things and that was the first time we looked around and went look at all these people like those thousands no the media never said nothing about that i know because i was the fool that turned on the television first when this all started happening i mean thank god you know i was already in critical thinking mode because of the idw on a few topics right because everybody from my aunt her see le imagine was michael shirmer michael mouse i

read all their work there isn't one book that didn't get pumped into this brain during that process but in spite of all that knowledge nobody cares about what you know till they know about how much you care well then all of a sudden i'm looking around and there's all these people they don't know exactly what to do but they know they gotta do something even if it's wrong do something that's when i realized the marches aren't for change the marches are so we find each other that's what they're for It was cool when the convoy left Lloyd. I'd never ever, this sounds really stupid, but it doesn't because I'm sitting here talking to uterine.

You can tell me why my brain puts it positions it this way. You can all remember, or lots you can remember in COVID. I'm the outspoken guy by having all these people on. But in my brain, I've never outed myself. I've never gone to a protest, the physical part of like showing up. Oh yeah, sure, I've had people on this thing on the airwaves, but there's no like physical interaction. going to the Lloyd Husky while all the trucks are getting ready and like physically being present.

That's right. And seeing my neighbors be there and be like, oh, oh, kind of a nod. Well, hello. Why do you think they wanted isolation and social distancing? And I should say, you know, like obviously like there, you know, for the kids' sake was a group formed in Lloyd, a community group. and we met, you know, in secret because if you got found out, you know, like, so we met in lots of interesting places. So it wasn't like the first time I'd ever publicly out of myself, but it was always had done in our veil of a bit of secrecy. Like, yeah, we're meeting,

but we can't disclose the location until this time. Those are different. I can't believe I'm even saying it like that. Like, you know, these are the stories you talk about in, I don't know, different countries where the government's out for them. Not that I have to explain that. Because the government's out for you. Right. But going out and. the sunlight, in the sun of day, and watching people leave to go protest the government, and everyone been like, well, these, but whoa, you're here too, the little wave, okay?

That's a very, um, powerful experience that more people should experience. We were out on the side of a highway because we couldn't go to do the thing because it was just too many financial obligations that wouldn't allow for their clan or a section of us to go be a part of the trucker's thing, but we made sure we got out. but we were out in the middle of nowhere, just made sure we drove out so we could watch and go by.

And we cheered them on, yeah. Cried and cheered them. I'm still. My legs were so tired that day. We jumped up and dad. Like crazy and we just couldn't stop. I couldn't do stairs. The following three days just from jumping.

My calves were soiled. But it was also cold, right? It's like, but the thing is it's like. It was also minus 30. Yeah. So here's one for you. You want to know why we're going to win this? Why?

When I first came to Alberta, I hitched I here to chase the woman that's now my wife. One of the things I saw all over bumper stickers was Alberta Works. I did 17 years on the iron. Busted my body, busted my mind, busted everything for those paychecks. That helps.

I'm downstream of those consequences with my family right now. I know there's thousands of us out there. Do you want to know what those same people have done? They're rolling up their sleeves. They're going to Yuma. they've gone to Ontario. I've seen more of these sideline individuals that have just gone out. A bunch of them became canvassers so that they could get the 15 names of the people

that they immediately knew and that's as far as they're going to go. And you know it. Did I tell you the story about Glenn, I think is Glenn. Glenn if you're listening, somebody can find me, Glenn. I think he's Mar Wayne. Like, he's actually relatively close. I hosted, I was emcee or what have you. Mitch is talking Lloyd.

I don't know, two weeks ago now. And a guy asked a question or was going to ask a question right at the end. But then it was a statement about Mitch. And I was going, oh, boy, this could get a little Western. But it wasn't. It was his story about how Mitch told him he didn't just have to be a snowflake. He could become part of the storm, right? You don't have to just be this one individual snowflake.

You could become part of the storm. He took his one signature that he was only going to do, became a canvasser. And at the time I'm talking to him had 70. And I'm like, oh, wow, that's a, that's a, that's, It's like a really beautiful story, right? Some people look at 70 and go, 70, that's not going to get you to 177,000. I laugh. I'm like, he was only going to do one.

And we aren't even through the process, and he's already at 70? That's right. Just one guy, just deciding I'm going to sit at this location and I'm going to start talking to people and see what happens. The work ethic of Alberta is tied into this process. His thought, his partially what I was thinking, but like, solidify it. Everywhere I go, if I don't know somebody and they're asking me how things are going, I'm going to ask them with the petition.

And just see what their thoughts are. Not to try and convince them, just to see if they know about it and see where it goes. And I was telling you guys on the way out, in the COVID, I was the guy who, you know, as outspoken as I was, out in society, I didn't, I didn't want to, I didn't want to have the fight everywhere. Now I'm like, if we don't embrace a bit of that, we will get more of the same. that's a guarantee i mean that's also a part of the strategy if you consider it i mean what our opponent our true opponent is it's not necessarily yes it's within the borders of

alberta but i mean the the monster that lays not just in ottawa that can also travel out to the city of london or even to your intelligence agencies and the types of tactics that are being run on us like that's what we're up against and the funny thing is that's what we're up against and the funny thing is is that this thing it didn't stop it didn't stop for the whole process of everything we've gone through like we've been sitting around together and we have we have context we have context with you everything to do with the different programs and events you know we're on boards like we were non-existent in this realm and all this knowledge and all this conversation and what we've been learning and sharing and talking about this is all downstream from an agenda that got

put forward by groups of individuals that have placed their intentions and their mode of attention on the world that I didn't know they existed. But they do. And now I'm directly downstream of the consequences of their decision making, be it corruption, be it using compromise, be it policy, be it even a little bit of stupidity, some malevolence, all of which these things too are highly proficient of the left hemisphere. Okay. So we're still downstream of human beings doing human being things. Okay. So that means that we need to make a decision.

We've got to understand where we are. We need to know who this enemy is. This is why you have the guests. This is why we read the books. This is why, like, I'm at a hundred and ninety four channels on Rumble alone that I follow and just, and sift through. That's just Rumble. That's not my YouTube.

That's not the Twitter feed. Good luck keeping up to that. Right. I'm not. No, no, no. But the thing is is that the reason why. why that that obsession came is because a physical reality came into my world. Like there's corpses in my life now.

I'm never going to see those people again. Estranged or not. It doesn't matter. And I know why it happened. I've done the research. I've done the follow up. I know these doctors. We should have them on our shows again.

Where's the update in your world? How are things going? Let's remind people. There's a whole bunch of people that are in this journey right now. even for independence that are downstream of the thing, but there's a whole bunch that aren't, but there's a bunch of them, they're sick.

Like, there's people with bad circulation and they don't know why. There's people with microclotting. They don't know why. Those long sinewy things from, from Hirschman and John O'Luney's, you know, like that's there.

We've got family members in that, in that world. They would never, they'll never come out and they'll never openly talk about. You're reminding me of a very good thing. And that is, I haven't had, you know, I think of like Peter McCullough.

It's probably been a year, if not longer. And I don't, I can't. Drag our Canadians back into the free. I can't think, I can't speak for all other independent media. I got, I just got tired of like screaming from the, well, in my own opinion, screaming from the rooftops and nobody listening. I mean, I know people are listening.

That sounds stupid. And I get it. You know, like it's, it's trying to, um, when I first started, and I don't know about your three journey, but like, you know, I was like, oh, we just got to fix. politics, right? Like the changes can be made of politics, right? And so you probably watched Sean take a hard left turn right smack into something I'd never had be in.

And that was politics. I was talking, you know, met Daniel Smith and a whole bunch of others I might add and ran right into that. And then watched them all going to government. And has there been great things come out of it? Yes, there has. But overall, you're sitting here going, if you stared at the Confederation and how it's made up for longer than...

I'll give it an hour. I'll say an hour. After an hour and a couple of conversations with yourself, you're like, this doesn't make sense the way it's set up. Actually, it's working exactly the way it's... Correct. Correct. As in Albertan, though, you go, we're getting the raw end of the stick.

Although I might say the same thing about Saskatchewan and BC and a whole bunch of other places. And you just started looking at it. And the more you look at it, you're like, that's strange. Why don't we talk about this? Why aren't we, why aren't we hitting this directly head on? And then you usually run into, you know, like, why can't, why can't, why does Pierre Poliaev have to say certain things out east? Well, he's got to, he's got to talk to the Easterers.

Like, so the Easterers are so much different than us that they, that they think men can be women, like immediately. That's, that's something we think, all of us. We just all lost our collective minds all at the same time. We're going to, like, just collectively encouraged losing our minds more. Like, that's what we're going to do. that doesn't make any sense. Yeah, right.

And so, like, then you start, and you, I go back to, it was a Dennis Mojorie conversation I had where I asked him to give me the argument of Canada First versus Alberta first. And you, man,

that is a tough thing to sit and stew on. I don't want to be Alberta first. I want to be Canada first. I want to believe in what I was brought up in in this wonderful country. And yet, the harder I look, the more I just see like,

ah, crap. Like, this sucks. Right? But it doesn't suck. because lots of wonderful people. But, you know, like, I want to be kumbaya and watch Connor McDavid and all those things. But when you start to unplug and start to stare at the problems we're in and the reality of it, so you're like it comes back to we have to, you're going to try and reset the system or at least do something to shock?

It's like, well, that puts it to where Alberta sits right now, I think. Because I think a whole host of people have gotten to the same conclusion that a lot of other people had had for a very long time, all at the same time, roughly. Yeah, I think that that's where it's like, well, what is Canada? It's like, you said to yourself, it's like, I want to be proud of this, this great country. It's like, what's so great about it? Like, what made it great? And it's like, well, the people are great.

Like, I love Albertans for sure. They're my favorite. But like, the Canadians are great. Well, I got people to listen. And the trucker convoy to me felt like the most, like, if I actually felt like a Canadian patriotism, I never felt it before until then. because like when you're in school, they're like, well, our culture is maple syrup and hockey.

And mooses and beavers. It's a same thing. Yes, it is. And it's funny. So like people who are listening to us all across Canada, right? Love you human beings. I'm sitting in Ottawa as much as Tews likes to call it fucking Quebec, right? Fucking Quebec showed up at two in the morning the first night I was there,

rolled in with all their semis and parked on the same bloody stretcher road pavement. and sat there in their entire time. And we can't forget that. The problem we got is Quebec's got, it's coming back to your communities. You've got to fight for your communities. If we all fight for communities, we all get a better deal.

Absolutely. And if we don't, then it's like, well, it's not so bad. Pierre's fight, it's like, no, take a look at this. No. Let's sit for a second. Daniel ain't saving us either.

No politician is. That's right. No politician can save us. That's the reality, you know. There's this, you have privy councils, you have lieutenant governor generals, you have financial institutions. We're the, we're the highest money laundering country in the world with all five major banks in Canada. Like we're going to be doing an interview hopefully at some point with Alex Craneer on this,

on this particular topic because he's been doing some phenomenal research with regards to that recently. That machine and the way it thinks, how it operates. It has no intentions of stopping. Like even regardless of how we go with our responsibility, the quantity of people, we have the highest citizen engagement. I believe it was even parroted a little bit by the three guests that you had, David Parker, Mowen and Pradnik, right, that podcast where you had like we have more people engaged paying attention. We have EGM records that we've set. We've set municipal records in Calgary for engagements over the blanket rezoning. So, all of this popping up, everyone needs to watch Ottawa stuff us because that's what they're going to do.

And they're going to do it because we already have a history book that has shown us what this institution is, how they think about us, and what they intend on doing. The privy council has already said they're not letting this fly. We don't need their damn permission. Yeah, the one thing we were listening to, um, Corey Morgan. a couple others, just PG the belt. Albertans recording Albertans. And the thing is about the negotiations that are about to happen, like Macy alluded to, no matter what the promise is,

the answer is supposed to be no. You're obligated by the Clarity Act to go into negotiations, but no matter what they offer, because we already know there's not going to be a constitutional reform. They're not going to get rid of the Senate. They didn't, the equalization referendum that we did, we had 63 plus Albertans were like, yeah, let's go. Why did that go anywhere?

What makes any of the nine referendum questions that are going on this ballot any different? Because the game and the people in Ottawa don't want to give us that. Even if Kenny had brought that to the table, which he didn't, it's not, they're going to give us a sliver. And maybe they'll give us a piece of cake. And our job is Alberta. is to not fall for it, is to go whatever they think they're promising us.

That's the one thing I loved about Peter McAfrey's speech when he did the, at the, a courage to listen town hall for when we were talking about sovereignty initially. He said, even if we became like Quebec, they gave us the same immigration handling and then maybe a bit more on the resources, maybe are more control over our pension like they have. He's like, even if we did that as Albertans, we still wouldn't be equal. We'd have everything Quebec has, but we still want to be equal. And one thing Macy says is like, okay, people say, I'm just signing this petition. I just want the referendum so we can get, you know, a better deal.

I want to be equal. It's like, what does that actually mean? What does a better deal mean? Do you want to just get a little bit above scraping by or do you want to thrive? And the thing about, it's funny because we were talking about H2S earlier. And if you want to thrive, if you're on a crashing piece, plane you put on your own gas mask first the thing with h2s that dad taught us is that you can't just go save the man you know if he falls from h2s exposure he's got three minutes so there's rush but if you

just go in you're going you're gonna fall no then you're dead you're dead then you're both dead then you're i've done this in real life like i've it's not just a drill like i drilled for it but i played the game but this is i got that guy out and i did it right but you he put on his gear first and he put on a critical mind we have to put alberta in a position and that's an ottawa can't grant us that because they never have only we can give us that sovereignty and so we have to say no to whatever good promises they potentially give us and just declare independence we if we get the referendum our job next is to get every albertans you put as much input as they can so we can do that alberta constitutional convention we build our

alberton constitution and we go for it and then it doesn't matter how negotiations go we can't wait on that We are done waiting. We've been waiting too long. You know, speaking of that race that I shouldn't be racing for. But that book and the speech that that is going to allude to is the thing because that's from 7075 and that's just because. Yeah. And I guess just because I point out race, I guess I think of a race as frantic. Yes.

Whereas walking with purpose, you can be walking and it's a run. Right. You know where you're going. If we know where we're going, you can call it a race. You can go whatever you want. I mean, there's lots of different ways to get to. to a different end point.

It's just you have to know where you're going. And when I think of like, I guess, and maybe it's the way my brain thinks of it. It's just like erase all of a sudden, everything. And I'm like, no,

I want more purpose in that. Because when you have purpose and you're going somewhere, you're in control of it. It's like we don't have to ask permission. It's like, I agree. It's like,

at what point can you just say, I know? But if you went through COVID, at some point, you had this little experience where somebody said, could you, I'm sorry,

could you, no. No, I'm not, no, I'm not interested. Yeah. And you got to see their reaction to that.

Just a simple word, no. No, no. They could yell at you. They could be like, oh, okay, and walk away. There's a lot of different ways

they can react. Yeah, they can call it cops. A lot of people did that too. And in Ottawa, if you say, no, I can imagine,

I have some good ideas where that could lead us. But, you know, if enough people, say no. All right. So on that note, where can it lead us and what possibly? So I'm going to, there's two quotes. I'll actually. Sure. What's the, what's the book? So, Mike. So no, that this is the book, this is a gift that my, the girls got me. I've been, I've gone over all the

constitutional letters of Congress and I've gone over like the speeches of different presidents. Okay. And Matthew Harris's work is, oh yeah, yeah, we don't need to go down the context of like, because we already know that he always relates like the American Revolution, the civil war. Sure. What's been going on here? This was in. 1775. Okay. So there's going to be lots of people that know this. But I'll, the reason why I want to give context by reading this and thank you for the permission to be able to do this is we have to understand our fellow human beings have been here before. They're facing the exact same thing then as we are facing now. We share the echo. It's not

exactly the same. Yeah, but it runs. But the system and the institution that is implementing their agenda, their process. This isn't conspiracy theory. Yes, conspiracy fact. They do this thing. I know. I sit on boards. They plan for, they plan for things. They plan for elections. They plan events. That's conspiring for an outcome. Good or for evil. That gets to be decided by those who interpret history. So we're there. The one thing we can't do is deceive ourselves about this. Socrates, I believe in the catalyst dialogue, says there's no greater deception than self-deception because the deceiver is always home. That's you.

So, bearing that in mind, no man thinks more highly than I do of the patriotism, as well as abilities of the very worthy gentlemen who have just addressed the house. But different men often see the same subject in different lights. And therefore, I hope

it will not be thought disrespectful to those gentlemen if entertaining as I do, opinions of a character very opposite to theirs. I shall speak forth my sediments freely and without reserve. This is no time for ceremony. The question before the house is one of awful moment to this country. For my own part, I consider it as nothing less than a question of freedom or slavery. And in proportion to the magnitude of the subject ought to be the freedom of the debate.

It is only in this way that we can hope to arrive at truth and fulfill the great responsibility which we hold to God and our country. Should I keep back my opinions at such a time? Through fear of giving offense? I should consider myself as guilty of treason towards my country and an act of disloatly towards the majesty of heaven, which I revere above all things. Mr. President is natural to man to indulge in the illusion of hope.

We are apt to shut our eyes against a painful truth, and listen to the song of that siren till she transforms us into beasts. Is this part of wise men engaged in a great and arduous struggle for liberty? Are we disposed to be of the number of those who having eyes see not and having ears, hear not, the things which so nearly concern their temporal salvation? For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it. I have but one lamp by which my feet are gilded, and that is the lamp of experience. I know of no way of judging of the future but by the past. And judging by the past, I wish to know what there has been in the conduct of the British

ministry for the last 10 years to justify those hopes of which gentlemen have been pleased to solace themselves and the house. Is it that insidious smile with which our petition has been lately received? Trust it not, sir, it will prove a snare to your feet. Suffer not yourselves to be betrayed with a kiss. Ask yourselves how this gracious reception of our petition comports with these warlike preparations which cover our waters and darken our land. Are fleets and armies necessary to a work of love and reconciliation? Have we shown ourselves so unwilling to be reconciled that force must be called to win back our love?

Let us not deceive ourselves, sir. These are the implements of war and subjugation, the last arguments to which kings resort. I ask, gentlemen, sir, what means this marital array? if its purpose be not to force us to submission. Can gentlemen assign any other possible motive for it? Has Great Britain any enemy in this quarter of the world to call for all this accumulation of navies and armies?

No sir, she has none. They are meant for us. They can be meant for no other. They are sent over to bind and rivet upon us, these chains which the British ministry has been forging for so long. And what have, and what have we to oppose them? Shall we try argument? Sir, we have been trying that for the last ten years. Have we anything new to offer upon the subject? Nothing. We have held the subject up in every light of which it is capable, but it has been

all in vain. Shall we resort to entreaty and humble supplication? What terms shall we find, which have not already been exhausted. Let us not, I beseech you, sir, deceive ourselves. Sir, we have done everything that could be done to avert the storm, which is now coming in. We have petitioned. We have remonstrated. We have supplicated. We have prostrated ourselves before the throne.

And have implored its impositions to arrest the tyrannical hands of the ministry and parliament. Our petitions have been slighted. Our remonstrances have produced additional violence and insult. Our supplications have been disregarded, and we have been spurned with contempt from the foot of the throne. In vain after these things may we indulge the found hope of peace and reconciliation. There is no longer any room for hope. If we wish to be free, if we mean to preserve inviolate those inestible privileges for which we have so long contending, we may we mean not basically to abandon the noble struggle in which we have been so long engaged

in which we have pledged ourselves never to abandon until the glorious object of our contest shall be obtained. We must fight. I repeat it, sir, we must fight. An appeal to arms and to the God of hosts is all that has left us. They tell us, sir, that we are weak, unable to cope with so formidable an adversary. But when shall we be stronger? Will it be next week or next year? Will it be when we are totally disarmed?

And when a British guard shall be stationed in every house? Shall we gather strength by irresolution and inaction? Shall we acquire the means of effectual resistance by lying supinely on our backs and hugging the delusive phantom of hope until our enemies shall have bound us hand and foot. Sir, we are not weak if we make a proper use of those means which God of nature hath placed in our power.

Three millions of people armed in the holy cause of liberty and in such a country as that which we will possess are invincible by any force which our enemy can send against us. Besides, sir, we shall not fight our battles alone. There is a just God who presides over the destinies of nations and who will raise up friends to fight our battles for us. The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone. It is to the vigilant, the active, the brave.

Besides, sir, we have no election. If we were base enough to desire it, it is now too late to retire from the contest. There is no retreat, but in submission and slavery, our chains are forged. Their clanking may be heard on the plains of Boston. The war is inevitable and let it come. I repeat it, sir, let it come. It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry peace, peace, but there is no peace. The war is actually

begun. The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms. Our brethren are already in the field. Why stand we here idle? Was it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God. I know what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty or give me death. These are individuals that are the direct consequence of the system that has forged Canada. They had as a response to get to that place. They were called radicals.

They were called traitors. That sounds like a reasonable man that tried to do everything within their means of power of persuasion, persuasion, politics, procedure. They tried to extend the hand. Do you know what people like Lord Alfred Milner and many of the others that are still rolling around in the Levant down, sorry, the Laurentian elite today, they still feel the same way. And this is a quote from World Alfred Milner.

It's way shorter than what I just read. Way shorter. But the thing is it says, as between the three possibilities of the future, this is about independence. One, closer imperial union. Two, union with the U.S. And three, independence. I believe that definitely number two is the real danger.

This is about the Canadians coming into a relationship with the United States. I do not think the Canadians themselves are aware. of it. They are wonderfully immature in political reflection on the big issues and hardly realize how powerful the influences are. On the other hand, I see little danger to ultimate imperial unity in Canadian, quotes, nationalism. On the contrary, I think the very same sentiment makes a great many, especially of the younger Canadians vigorously and even buntuously assertive of their independence, proud and boastful of the greatness in the future of their country and so forth. We would lend themselves tactfully handled to an enthusiastic acceptance of imperial unity

on the basis of partner states. This tendency is, therefore, in my opinion, rather to be encouraged not only as a safeguard against Americanization, but as actually making in the long run for a union of all the Britons. They only gave us Canada and Canada nationalism because they didn't want us drawn to the American system of economy and the inspiration of what the Declaration of Independence and the letters of Congress and the Bill of Rights,

we've been played for fools since Canada's inception. And if we're not willing to look at this monster, know that that's what's coming. So even with the independence movement, with all it, and this is bipartisan because I love people, break down my block for the people that have the NDP sign on their lawn just as I would for anybody

else they have children I care about them too they walk their dogs I see it all the time they're good people I know they are so this is not about NDP this ain't about liberal this isn't about these stupid lines of divide and conquer that we keep getting placed but we've been here before as a people and if we don't look over and remember our forefathers that did this thing these are human beings They weren't Americans yet. They were us. They were Albertans. I don't know what else to say.

And even after they got, even after that speech, and after they won the war, why the Civil War happened. So even if Alberta gets in. 1812. 1812. Even if Alberta gets its independence, they're not going to leave us alone. So we have to stay vigilant. Matthewsworth shows that five eyes.

And then like what happened with the Patriot Act and all that. And then they just kept on going and it became the American Anglo Empire. It's like America. So what you're saying is choose your heart. Say again. Choose your hard. I loved it when Mitch said, I need time from you. I filled it in more going before I need blood.

Time, that's all we've been doing. My family has been like, if you don't mind to say so to those who have a sense of we've been balls out ever since this happened. Whether it's being on boards, going to events, driving to do these. types of whatever it takes. This is this is a labor of love, love and absolute desperation. We have backup plans. We'll leave if we have to too. But the fact, I don't want to. I want to stand beside my fellow Albertans and they come from all the walks of life. This is not, this is nothing to do with these stupid political parties. The only reason why that even gets to

play is because of the brains, like our brain. Like that's the only reason why that tactic even works. Yeah, but choose your heart. I guess I come back to that, you know, like the, where I, forgive me, who says it, folks, I can't remember. What they're talking about is, you know, you can, I think it's Jocko, actually, could be wrong on that. And regardless, he's talking about, you know, get up in the morning, go lift something

heavy. Yeah, it's hard. But you know, it's hard is being the same age and now your body's starting to fall apart. Right. Things aren't going. That's hard too. choose your heart. And you look at Alberta independence and you go,

yeah, they're never going to leave us alone. They're never going to leave us alone the other way too. Choose your heart. Which way do you want to go? Right. Right. Like I mean.

And a reverse correlation. The value of the single individual within the nation of Alberta has way more influence, a more powerful vote. You matter more in ways you could possibly. Now I believe that just because of humanity. But let's actually look. look at some of the ergonomics of a nation and if we're going to be a 4.7 million person

your vote just like it got exponentially more important more important as an independent Alberta than any role that we've played within Canada since 1905 or even sooner for that matter well yeah I mean even that speech right it's like that you just read it's like if he didn't have his voice then what would have happened like if you don't have the ability to actually like say what you want to say, then the battle of ideas is completely lost because you can't, you can't share your idea. So spoiler alert, which is funny. Cornerstone Forum, the positive roundtable this year is roughly on that idea. In order to envision a better future, we have to have discussion. We have to have debate. We have to have our voice. Yes. Because if you lose that,

you leaves the ability to envision a better, brighter future. And I think that's a very powerful thought. But then you have to go put it into action. You have to have the discussions. Yeah. You got to go talk to people. That's why I love your form for that reason

because you intentionally set up the debates. So that's perfect because that's the thinking, the real critical thinking that they don't do in universities. That's it. That's what real university is, looking at really smart people, talk about really complex things. Well, it was actually small little tibbut. I won't go on too long because I know we've been going for a long time, but it was,

I was reading Benjamin Franklin's autobiography because I was like, he, he's just, Matthew, Matthew basically like prompted him up. I'm like, I'll read him. So then I was reading him. And he like started a very young age to try and create the kind of cultural shift that needed to happen in people's minds that led up to the American Revolution. right? And so how he started though was he just consumed like a lot of information that was available at his time. So he read Socrates and he read a bunch of different philosophers, mathematicians, probably people that came downstream of Kepler, just like all of these great minds.

And then what he formed was this thing called the Juno Club. And what it was was, and it sounds kind of hilarious because he was, it's like your book club. It's kind of like the Juno Club because what it was was young men. that were basically sitting around a table having a discussion and they were forced to either maybe write essays about what they were like learning and read them and report back and have the discussion and if you read the autobiography he had his little like rules of order of how you would conduct yourself right um basically you can't be like uh ha ha told you so like there was none of that was more so just let's talk about stuff and let's try and actually really think

it through um there is no stupid questions kind of thing right and then what happened was the gentleman in this group. They got so empowered by just what was going on and being discussed in the Juno Club that they were like, can we create our own clubs? So then they branched off, but the HQ was the original Juno, and Ben and them decided that they weren't going to tell anybody about the ones these other gentlemen went to perform up they were groups. They didn't know that it came from this original source. And so it sounds a little freemasonic, right? Because it's like this is the idea of conspiracing. They were conspiring in some sense because all these different little branches and clubs were coming up with ideas. And these people had like,

Benjamin had friends that were governors and he was getting around the community, kind of like in the way you are. Like you knew your community. Right. And so then they, he low key kind of flexes, but he flexes on like creating damn near the first like firehouse of Philadelphia like firefighting, right? Because of just again, ideas spreading trying to problem solve. And they're like, what can we physically do? And then later on it came to becoming a, he made a neighborhood watch. Right. And so then he created that. And then slowly, but surely as it was trickling, he became, he became to be in government. And then that's what led to him being able to write down some of the draft formats of what would

later be the, I think, Declaration of Independence. So it's just all of that came, though, from just educate yourself, invite some friends to talk about it and debate and discussion. And then you have no idea how much that can like just trickle down. And but guess what? Reverse correlate. That's what the oligarchs figured out how to do too, right? And that's, Hence why it's brains because it's just like what ideas were fermenting and festering. It's like because you can use that to connect, but you can also use it to manipulate. And that's within every single person.

And so that's why we emphasize the brain as well as well as the addition to the community and why it's like we're our greatest fucking strength and also greatest weakness. In the same breath. Yeah. Thanks for doing this. Thank you for having us. This has been a lot of fun. It's an honor.

It's been a lot of fun. Everybody keeps saying it's gone too long. I'm like, believe me, I do this for a living. It hasn't gone too long. Because if I'm still sitting here at two and a half hours in going, two and a half hours. Yeah. Well, yeah.

Time flies when you're having fun, folks. I would argue that I feel like people are going to enjoy this. I have a question. It's something that we do on our book club. We have an online book club. And because we read the master and his emissary. And at the end of it, I always do a sustained attention. Act and sustained attention is a way to literally build memory and it invites more

right hemisphere because right hemisphere is memory context. It can hold context over time. Yeah. Real life. From this whole podcast, what was like something you still don't understand or something you would like to look into further and then some of your one of your favorite things are the biggest thing that stuck out to you. You're asking me.

Yes. Oh, interesting. Yeah, we're flipping the script. We're podcasters that are now interviewing you. Let's go. Everything you said about the brain I want to learn about. You talked about the book. I'm like sitting here going,

I don't even know if you've mentioned the book. You have mentioned the book like several times, but I've already forgotten it. And I'm like, I'm going to write it down. So that is what stuck out to me about this conversation. Like for my own, like, I want to be better. Now, an overarching thing, what your dad just read, I'm like, man, if that doesn't motivate you to get off the couch,

I don't know what will. Good, I hope it gets clipped. No, seriously. To anybody that watches your show, I don't think you get all upset about propriety. No, actually, I've been thinking about that lots. If you're a techie person and you want to clip the entirety of my show, any point of it, just go and put it out there. I mean, the CBC does it.

Tools. We might as well do it. And they do it to frame their agenda. 100%. Yeah. Yeah. So if you're enjoying this show, yeah, you have my full permission to go clip it and put it out and carry on. Um,

did you ever know about the 1775 address of Patrick Henry to the Congress in the Virginia church? I'd be lying if I sat here and said yes. No, that's fine. That's important. Um, that,

those are our people. You have like different realizations along the way. And Jordan Peterson was the first person. And I, and you just said it beautifully, uh, that they weren't Americans yet. Mm-hmm.

But Jordan Peterson was the guy that positioned the thought. that 50 years ago there was somebody similar to Sean sitting there trying to figure out the world and they had roughly the same problems that I got they got you know they were living roughly in you know certainly did they have

this technology no okay fair enough but like they were still a human being and it's not like all of a sudden we evolved in 50 years and we're so much smarter what a terrible what do you think the Socratic dialogues are podcasts of their era

that was their entertainment I just read all of Plato Like, yeah, so I agree. Right, but I mean, but the initial thought, the initial thought wasn't getting to that because I feel like that's like just giving an example of the brain through time. Right. And so like when I sit here, I don't know, you're asking, okay, what were all your questions? Just I want to make sure that I answered them all. He answered like two of them already.

Yes, he did. Yes, I said one thing that still confuses you. Well, I want to understand more about the brain. Yeah. I think you, all three, you very much reiterated that. Carry on. Second one was, well, you answered Brain, something you want to take from this podcast or something you are taking from this podcast. And then...

I think he answered all of them. Yeah, because he said his favorite was the... And then the third was like the thing that really stuck out to you from this podcast. Well, but, but, okay, so that's one on... Sweet. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Keep going. No, and I was just going to say, like, the reason why I...

I think as a bit older of a guy, but not like, I'm... Dude, I turn 50. I know. And you know what? And there's lovely 60 and 70-year-olds that listen to this podcast. And heck, I'll probably get a text from an 80-year-old. What I'm realizing is once we're all there, we're all going to still think we're young and you are young. And as the 89-year-old woman told me sitting in your chair, Macy, like, why do you keep saying 89?

Like, it's an old thing. I feel really good. Fair enough. So the cool thing, though, for you two ladies, and I think the reason why so many of us are like, huh, it's interesting what you're doing, is in the course of now, over a thousand podcasts, I've ran into,

I can probably count them on my two hands. I'm going to say under 10, and you're not a teenager anymore, but certainly you're a young adult. There's not a, the youth movement is growing. but most of us I think we're probably right around my age we're all of a sudden you have kids and bills to pay

and you start staring at things you're like something doesn't add up here and some never follow it further than that and to see young people getting engaged and talking about things yeah I think like I could probably clip out 50 things of you two going back and forth and saying things because you had both at times

as lovely of thoughts as your father did at the end. And I think it's super cool to have all three be here and talking like that. I don't know. Like to me, I really enjoyed it. That's why we're still going at two and a half hours. And I mean, we're under no delusions.

Lots of people like clamming towards them because of the very dynamic that you just offered. Like me in the room is like kind of like a secret weapon as far as what my mind and my research can be. But these are the face and the future. Like I got one one job left. Yeah. Jack them up above drowning. and hold them there as long as possible so that the bastards back east don't get them.

Like, that's it. What other job do I have? That's my final call as the guy on the wall. And then that's what they'll have to figure out when they start their families. They've got to be able to look at the legacy and go, this is to be fought for. But that's why, this is why it's funny and just like circling back from the very beginning of it as well, is like dad's ability to update himself made it so that he could update his children, right? And so the children are meant to how it goes is update the parents.

And so I feel like by me and Maddie, I mean like yeah, we're young and I'm glad that we're starting this early. I'm glad that we get to be some form of inspiration. Something that I actually was going to say was I think that I wish that more youth would go physically out and meet their community. Because when you see younger, I mean, sorry, older people come up to you and like say that they're so hopeful for the future. Like I've lost like sleep crying over that because my brain. takes that really personally. I'm like, oh, man, like, I don't want to let these people down because I, you say, oh, you're the future. I'm like, I know. Like, I have to build it. Like, oh, my God. I'm like, oh, my God. I'm like, oh, my God. I'm like, I take it very seriously. And I wish that more

youth had that because then, like, when we, when we met Serena and Sebastian, they just felt like, oh, man, like so isolated. I'm like, when we were sitting down in a pub together, they were like, oh, not only do I feel like I can talk about anything, but I feel like anyone who comes up to, like squammer at me. It's like, these are my people and they got my back. I'm like, that's what we are trying to accomplish here. And they didn't know about the older groups. And like, I think that that's something that's really, I want to encourage on the, like, I guess the Q-tips kind of thing is like, when I see the older generation, I see them getting out their notebooks and they're writing stuff down. Like, I think like, I want to be that when I'm older. Like, I don't want to, like, like,

they think, oh, I'm just a gray hair and like, and like, don't dismiss. Like, you actually, it's funny, we fuel you, you fuel us. Like, that's how I see. see it is I'm like the when I see the older generation is still in this and I see 80 year old still doing this they could they could choose to opt out if they wanted to what do they oh they've earned it the right to opt out but they're like no I'm going to listen to a two and a half hour Sean Newman podcast and like I'm going to take away something from it I'm going to have more conversations and like that's the incremental part and when they do that I'm like that's the whole point like I love that it fuels me the young person like let alone me feeling you

us and yet I am also like the we're doing it for them we're also doing again the podcast we wanted our dad on screen because we believed in our dad we believe in the older generations because they're the ones that's the older generation in that book right there they're the one we're only here doing whatever we are this magical thing because of people like you and people like that and all the other people that are fighting for us and so we're just doing the bare minimum to say thank you that's it it's just an appreciation so what they think they're doing for us we know we're doing for we're reciprocating basically and because there's no other way to do it that's what a family is it's like we're not blood related but we're human beings we've both got a brain which makes us

the same and more ways than we can count so well thank you for making the trip here and uh continue doing what you're doing i'm sure our paths will cross no doubtably again whether you like it or not But I appreciate you guys coming and doing it in studio. And wow, I'll be curious to hear what the audience has to say when they finish this up. Yeah, it won't be as much views as the creator long ago show, but you know. You just never know. A little bit.

Just never know. Oh, yeah. It's not about that. I say that with jest and playfulness. Yeah, well, it's funny, though, that most, every once in a while, there's a podcast that as good as Tom, and Alex are the feedback on the text line is insane okay insane I'm curious what the text feedback line is gonna be like today yeah just just curious we like feedback and if

people you know have criticisms or they think oh this is knowledge that you guys should have them you can you can email us or something like that we were pretty good for getting back to where can they find you that is a good thing before I like that where can they find you You can do it, at home with homes. We have, it's like the at symbol. Yeah, the ad symbol. Home with our last name homes like Sherlock Holmes.

Yeah. But we're on YouTube, Rumble, Spotify. Substack. Yeah, substack is the one we're trying to grow. Yeah, well, I mean, that's where, you know, the revenue comes in. Because we still do the nine to five job. We clean toilets for a living. That's right.

We happen to listen to podcasts while we clean those toilets. But every podcast we do, and then it, you, you know, all the editing, as you know, the social media, stuff that I don't want to be on my phone all the time. But, you know, this is our mission. We're reciprocating. And so the substack, and then, yeah, you could buy us some match, I guess, I'm buying me a coffee. But otherwise, our emails are on there. You can message us on X if you wanted, because a lot of people follow us there, too, and hit us up and we'll try and do. Yeah. And if there's anybody that's willing to be a guest, we're trying to grow in that realm to also have conversations to expand.

If you want us to pick somebody apart, we'll have them all. Yeah, well, I mean, but also too, it'd be great to, one of the major points is that in order to get to a place where you have a citizenry that is morally fit and wise about the era and the map that they're in, we've got to consider the importance of the culture. And that's meaning we've got to take time to believe that we're important to each other. So we want to have shows where we, give equipment of intellectual heart, spirit, whatever the food you feel that you need so that you

can go out and be a community member. I don't know what that's going to look like for every individual that watches our show. I have no idea. A ship can't concern itself with its weight, the Bible said. Just, but you got a sail.