Shaun Newman Podcast - #1015 - Chad Prather

Episode Date: March 12, 2026

Chad Prather is a sharp-witted American comedian, musician, conservative political commentator, and podcaster often dubbed "The Political Cowboy" for his signature cowboy hat and unapologetic Southern charm. He rose to fame through viral YouTube videos blending observational humor, right-wing commentary, and life rants—most notably his 2015 "Unapologetically Southern" clip. A fast-talking armchair philosopher and motivational speaker, Prather has hosted The Chad Prather Show, launched the daily devotional podcast Before the Noise, released chart-topping comedy albums like Y’all Shut Up, authored bestsellers including Am I Crazy? and Born for Meaning, and even ran briefly for Texas governor. With millions captivated by his blend of faith, patriotism, rapid-fire wit, and common-sense takes on culture and politics, he's a touring stand-up favorite and frequent media guest who champions finding joy amid chaos.Silver Gold Bull Links:Website: https://silvergoldbull.ca/Email: [e-mail] Grahame: [phone]Bow Valley Credit UnionBitcoin: www.bowvalleycu.com/en/personal/investing-wealth/bitcoin-gatewayEmail: [e-mail] Get your voice heard: Text Shaun 587-217-8500

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Let's get on to that tale of the tape. Today's guest is an American comedian, musician, entrepreneur, and known as the pickup pundit. I'm talking about Chad Prather. So buckle up. Here we go. Welcome to the Sean Newman podcast today. I'm joined by Chad Prather. Sir, thanks for hopping on.

Thanks for having me, man. It's good to see you again. I'm looking forward to seeing you in person here in a couple of weeks. Yeah, well, March 28th, and it's a sellout, Chad. I don't know if I told you that yet. I'd love to be able to take credit for that, but I've seen all the marketing that you've done. So I'll let you have this one, Sean. Well, I put it in the big man's hands all the time when I'm worried about stuff like this.

So I think it's going to be a fun day. And the people that are coming, all the speakers, there's enough diversity there on thought. I think the discussions are going to be something worthy of sitting in as well. Yeah, I think that's why it's a sell-up personally. I'm looking forward to being there. You know, it's always a good, good time to get kind of out of. of your comfort zone and Canada. I love going to Alberta, actually.

Like, it's Western Canada. I was going to say Canada is about as far out of my comfort zone as I can get in a lot of cases. But, you know, Alberta, not so much. You know, Texas of the North, I can kind of relate to that. I always have a good time when I'm in the area up there. Yeah. Alberta is a beautiful place. And it's filled with a lot of common sense critical thinkers, I would say.

Now, one of the things I wanted to start off with you. with is, you know, right now, I don't know what it is about X. Maybe it's always been this way. But there seems to be a ton of noise. And then you got to sit back as an average person and try and handle all that noise, which then it probably becomes a touch stressful. And I was telling you before we started, I listened to before the noise this morning. And I looked back on our first time we talked, which wasn't that long ago. It used to be 15 minutes. And I'm like a half an hour end. I'm like, I thought there's 15 minutes. Anyways, it was an hour or maybe a touchover. And I'm like, man, this is, this is enjoyable. And I mean, rightfully titled Before the Noise,

you know, like at home, I sit and I listen, sorry, I read the Bible every morning and it's kind of my moment of peace before the world does what the world does. Your experience with before the noise, because it hasn't been 20 years of doing this. Right. No, I, so before the noise is, I guess, for lack of better term, just a podcast. And it didn't start out that way. I had an idea last year. So going back even further, a month prior to the 2024 election, I just felt impressed to start posting prayers for our nation and for the election and just for the circumstances of the world. And the election came and went. And then I just felt impressed to keep posting prayers every day. I'd post them on social media, on Facebook, on X.

And I was writing these prayers out. And then so I continued doing that. I'm still doing it to this day. Most days of the week, I might miss one here or there. But out of all of that, I just felt impressed one night to start doing, just sharing my Bible reading time in the mornings with everybody for about 10 or 15 minutes, my devotional thoughts. And then the audience started growing and Rumble came along and said, we'd like to feature that in the morning. the mornings. And so we started turning it into an hour, hour long program, which is, it's an incredible blessing. It's a lot of work, but it's an incredible blessing. It's truly the highlight of

my day. I look forward to it. Now we have, I don't know, 100, 200,000 people watching that every day. And so it's been this incredible blessing, all these things have cropped out of it. And before the noise concept came, because I'm a guy who like many of us, has made a living talking about the headlines, talking about what's going on in our world, the cultural shifts, the crazy trends, the outrage, the, you know, the things that we see that trigger us day in and day out. And I just realized it was starting to sap my soul. It was really sucking the life out of me. And it was coming a weight, it was becoming a weight that I didn't want to carry anymore because you can't keep up with it. And to the point you made a minute ago, Sean, you can't, you just can't carry that.

We're not built to carry all the world's problems. And we are. We've internalized it. We've, we've manufactured outrage and oppression in such a way that we feel like we have to be intimately, intimately involved with every single thing that comes along. I have to be a geopolitical expert. I've got to be a virologist. I've got to be a theologian. I mean, you name it. We're supposed to be experts. I wrote a book back in 2020 called Am I Crazy? and I tell people that the only thing really worth reading in that book is the introduction. It's really the only thought-proof. The rest of it's humor. The only thought-provoking part is the introduction of the book. And in that, I said social media has lied to us on a couple of different fronts. Two of the biggest ones is it's made everybody believe that they are in some ways a celebrity or an authority on something.

And the second one is that we're all experts. So we're all experts and we have an audience. So we have this weird notion that we're famous in our voice matters and that people are listening. And there were experts on something. I've decided I'm not really an expert on anything. Like I'm just not. I'm a human being that's trying to figure out his own life as a father, as a man, as, you know, fill in the blank, check off the list. I want to live the best possible life in this short little blip that we have.

the radar and i realized that if i don't get my perspective right before the noise because i still will deal with the headlines i'll still deal with the cultural trends that are happening but for me in these days i've taken on a new perspective the perspective has got to be we are approaching uh we've approached a kingdom we've received a kingdom as believers as christians the writer of hebrews says we've received this kingdom which cannot be shaken and while everything else in our world is is being shaken, we've got to learn how to relate in our place in this kingdom, which can't be shaken. Because otherwise, we're going to get shook. You know, you hold on to the thing that's shaking, it's going to shake you as well. And so I'm trying to approach everything from a foundational

perspective of faith first. There is a God who is in control of human history. He's not, I'm not a deist that believes that God just wound us up like a clock and turned us loose. to run out, you know, when the springs unwind. I don't believe that we are in spiritual entropy, which everything in motion tends to fall apart. I think that God is the guiding factor. He is in control, and he can be known. We can not only know him, we can know about him. We can know his ways. We can know how he's revealed himself through the person of Jesus Christ. And so I'm approaching this, this thing, Western civilization, and then the unfolding of other civilizations around us, because as we were talking before we started recording, the internet's made the world a real small place.

And we are immediately affected by things that are happening on the globe that historically we might not have been affected by so quickly. But now it's almost at the speed of thought. And so I want to make sure that my worldview is right, my belief system, my paradigm, my Velton Schwong, whatever you want to call that. My way of looking at this world is centered in a biblical root and foundation. And that's the journey that I'm on. And so I was in a hotel room somewhere in America, and I woke up about 3 o'clock in the morning. And I said, well, because me, I don't know how you are,

but when I wake up, I'm sort of awake. Like that's my brain starts working again. And I'm like, uh-oh, we're in trouble. So I looked at the clock. It was 3 o'clock. And I just kind of this phrase popped into my head. I said, well, I guess I'm up before the noise. And so that's where the title for that came from.

I think it's resonated with a lot of people. And so that's sort of the foundation of everything that I'm doing in these days. Well, the thing I liked about it, you know, once again, a believer, right? So you hop on and it's not the headlines, right? It's not the noise. It is just like simply put a Bible study. I think that would probably be the easiest way. And I'm sitting there and I'm like, this is, yeah, I'm not, I was thinking of my hand.

I'm like, man, I wonder if I put this on while I'm working out if I'm just calm or if I'm annoyed because I'm trying to listen now and lift weights and I can't seem to do two things at once. But I just found it very calming. And most things when you're, you know, you're trying to grab, you know, I don't know the audience, but I don't know how many things you listen to in a day, Chad. You, you know, I was coming back from Panama City. Okay. And I'm flying. I get there back to Calgary. Then I got to drive five hours. So what do I do? I don't get to drive that much anymore. So I throw on three different podcasts. And by the end of it, I am one. I am one. I'm like, my brain's wound up, everything's wound up. I'm like, oh, why did I wanted to do this?

But now I'm like, I'm not so sure anymore. Because like as I learn more, now I got to think about things and then I got to try and bring on the guess to try and unwind my brain. If that makes sense. Does that make sense? Yeah, it does. And that's, I'm like, I'm a thinker. I don't know that my thoughts are always right or that my thoughts are always deep, but I'm always thinking and things. thinking hurts, it's uncomfortable, if you do it right. Typically, my thinking, and if I think I'm right in this, that critical thinking, which is a lost art, I try to think critically. And my first rule of critical thinking is the question, how am I wrong on this?

So I'm always coming from the perspective of how am I wrong? Because a lot of times we start with, this is how I'm right. I know I'm right. I feel right. Well, maybe what if you're not? And so I get pretty wound up on that of going, okay, where am I wrong on this? Let me approach this. Let me fact check myself if I can. And see if I can get to some basis of truth. And then laying down my pride enough to say, all right, this does need to be modified a little bit. Because if I don't do that, then I'm just rehearsing the talking points that the big voices out there want me to repeat.

The Bible says that John the Baptist was the voice of one crying out in the wilderness. He was not an echo. He wasn't saying what other prophets had said. He was the voice. He was a unique voice. And I think we've lost unique voices. And so I try to listen to those that I feel look at reality and can take a different perspective, maybe come in the back door or the side door a little bit.

And they approach it from an angle maybe we don't immediately think about. So I think there's something to that getting wound up. It's the issue with our culture these days, Sean, is we don't know how to get unwound. And I think that's the big problem there. And like you said, this being a Bible study, like before the noise, I'll go back and just clarify something. I made a choice not to make that topical. So in other words, I don't come in and say, hey, this is the topic of the day. No, we work verse by verse through the scripture.

And so we've done the book of John, the book of Acts, we've done the book of Ephesians, we've done the sermon on the Mount. We've now finished, at the time of this recording today, we've finished the book of Hebrews. And so I'm just letting the verses say what they want to say. That way it's not Chad saying, this is what I want to talk about today. And it's amazing how that helps me to see that the scripture really sort of addresses the things that we are dealing with, without our preconceived notions of reading into, and then I'm going to go find a verse that fits what I want to talk about. So again, those are certain things that I think if we'll just approach truth,

if we'll approach God, if we approach our faith from the perspective of, hey, I'm just walking through this. I am kind of wound up, I'm fired up. I don't know how to let go of certain things. I can't fix the world, but I know one who can and I know one who is. He hasn't left us. He hasn't forsaken us, right? And again, I go back to Hebrews 1228.

We've received a kingdom that can't be shaken. And so let us worship God acceptably with reverence in awe. And I think that's something that we've lost is that reverence in awe of just taking that moment and saying, hey, the world, the world's going to shake, man. And I got to figure out a way to not hold on to that so tightly, right? And that's a hard thing to do. That's for sure. It's a hard thing to do. I like this line.

This wasn't this morning. I was paying attention to a while back. And I just remember, I wrote it down and then for this morning, I wrote it out. Because, you know, I'm a guy that once upon a time, Chad, was all about sports. And then through that, you know, journey got into politics. And I've focused a lot on politics for the last, however many years, right? And I've said, I don't know if I really enjoy any one politician. I feel like they say one thing and then go do another.

And I found very few politicians that are just who they say they are. True. Now, your line was, I think this was your line, and maybe you credit to somebody else. But Jesus is still on the throne and the throne is not up for re-election. I was like, yeah, yeah, that's, that's beautiful. Yeah, I've often said, you know, he's not subject to the assassin bullet. He's not subject to the ballot box. you can't impeach him.

He's not subject to the 25th Amendment. He's not up for re-election. He's not campaigning. We do have a king. And he's the king of the universe. And when you see that, and again, I know there's people probably who watch this or listen to this show. And they're like, I have all this faith gobbledy gook and things.

You know, I relate to that. I understand that. I've been in that place of spiritual dribble. or spiritual rebellion where I've looked for reality at the bottom of a bottle or the bottom of a bag of drugs or in sex or the things that men do. I mean, I've been in that world. And then one day, your whole worldview gets upset when God decides to come walking through the living room and turns you into a bubbling pile of goo and you realize just how broken of a human you are. And you say, there's got to be more than all of this. There's got to be more than just me getting emotionally

affected and infected every day by what's trending on Twitter. There's got to be more than this. And, you know, I look at these verses where it talks about this kingdom being shaken, and I realize that that book of Hebrews, and it's fresh on my mind because we've been working through it, it was written to people who were living in political instability. They were living in persecution. They were living in the midst of collapsing institutions. And their mindset was, let's go back to the old way of doing things because that at least was familiar. And so the key for them was not escapism. The writer says it's about reorientation. We've got to recognize that everything that's built by human hands, it's designed by its very nature to shake.

It's going to shake. And he says, God's going to shake it. He's going to shake heaven and earth. And that shaking reveals what's temporary. You know, everybody gets up in arms here in America. Everybody, you know, no matter what conversation you get into with somebody, by the third comment of the discussion or debate, it turns into Orange Man is bad, right? Donald Trump is the evil one.

And everybody, they immediately, rather than, I mean, the debate, the discussion, the dialogue, it immediately devolves. It just falls apart into the name calling and I'm like, we can't even have a three comment conversation without watching the shaking happen. And every generation has learned a really hard lesson. Empires fall. People we put on a pedestal get knocked off. They come, they go, they die, markets collapse, political movements fracture, cultural trends reverse one day you're on the good side of things i mean i was invited to the white house to meet with jd vans and caroline levitt to talk about the first hundred days of the uh of the you know i was invited it well about the where they were going in the first hundred days i was

invited to the white house to meet with them february 27th of last year and pam bondy comes in and drops these epstein binders in our lap and says this is the first phase we're going to start releasing information about Jeffrey Epstein. We thought we were doing a good thing by saying, look, the administration is going to do something about this. Well, then our pictures get plastered all over the mainstream media. And we're public enemy number one, because now we're being accused of trying to cover up things because what was released wasn't any new information, other than the fact that Pam Bondi said that there was 10,000 documents that she had never seen on a desk somewhere in a field office for the FBI in New York. And we were going,

hey, they're doing something. And everybody came at us because they were mad. And we were like, wait a second, I thought we were all on the same side of wanting to get to the bottom of this stuff. And now, so again, the cultural trends. And today you're on, you know, today you're all working together on this. Well, then there's a shift. And now everything is Israel's fault and everything is Trump's fault. And we're going, hey, what we're witnessing in the modern world, I can't keep up with it, but it's not a new thing. It's the exposure of fragile systems.

and the shaking that happens is not random, it's actually surgical and diagnostic. God's shaking us so that we'll stop building our lives on the things that can't carry the weight of eternity, right? So I've got to look to that king. I've got to got to, I've got to look to that Jesus who can't be impeached, can't be dethroned, he can't be elected out. And I find some hope in that, and I hope others do as well. I was just going to add in. You've been, you mentioned being in, you know the the bottom of the bottle the drugs the women that type of thing and um i i don't know if my brain took it the right way chat but i was uh the way i was listening to it it was looking for there has to be more and you're searching it out in those realms and what i was going to add in from where i

stood is i used those things to numb the world because i couldn't understand what was going on. And once I realized that there was more going on and I actually wasn't going crazy, it actually helped with, I don't need to use these things to numb it because I actually, there is a lot of beauty going on. There is actually more than the eye can see. And it was, I don't know if that, it's not an opposing view. It's a similar view, but the use of, say, alcohol was for two different reasons. I hope I'm saying that right. No, you are. And I've done that too. I've been that way. And I just, I think, with me, I think you're saying more adequately and eloquently what I'm trying to say.

And that is you're like, okay, I don't like the reality I'm living in. So I'm just going to either numb that reality or I'm going to enter into another one through the use of these things. And that's going to help me cope with this. I don't think life is designed for us just to cope. You know, I don't think that we're supposed to live on the mountain top. I don't think we're supposed to live in the valleys. I think there should be a steady rhythm to life. I think that much of life seems kind of monotonous as one foot in front of the other.

It's another day after the next. And then, you know, you look back and you're like, wow, where's all the time gone? Right? You look in the mirror and you're like, I didn't see myself aging like this. But through all of that, I think there is supposed to be, something glorious about this life that we're missing. And we end up numbing ourselves with a lot of things. And I think the noise of the world, the chaos of the world, we've become internet junkies. We've become scrolling addicts. We've become doom scrollers. We've become news junkies. I know friends,

I've got a dear buddy of mine. He works with me and works for me. If you go to his house, he's got Fox News. I mean, it's just that ticker is going, going, going, going, going. he he he he stayed with me i did an event in in california last year and he stayed in the same hotel room with me uh normally we don't we don't do that but this time we he was in the same room and we had one of those uh it was a suite so we had the living room over there too five o'clock in the morning he's got the news on and i'm like man stop like what are you doing like you're poisoning i said you're not even watching it you've just got it on it's like speaking to your brain he goes i just turn it on and i'm like we got

like this is a weird phenomenon that we just have to be inundated with noise all the time. And so I think that's part of it. We're trying to numb ourselves to the reality of the world we're living in. Listen, men, and I love to talk to men because we got it all together, right? We know the end from the beginning. But men are so wounded. Like men have been through some real trauma. We never really deal with a lot of the stuff.

And I'm not talking about some kind of victimhood. I'm not saying that. We're not navel gazing and, oh, woe is me and all this nonsense. But men have been villainized. We've been told that our masculinity is toxic. We've been told that to be strong is to be evil. We've been told that to tell the truth is hate speech. And so now guys are going, what am I supposed to do?

Am I supposed to become some kind of a, you know, estrogen-filled, limp-risted beta male just so that society will accept me? Well, obviously, that's not the right way to go. But men, men, I think, are starving for truth. Men are starving for some kind of meaning, a sense of identity. And I think you and I have talked about this before, where you know where you came from, you know who you are, you know where you're going, you know what you're going to leave behind. That history, identity, destiny, legacy, we've lost those things. And so that transcendent meaning that's out there, being a part of a big story,

God is written, he is writing this very big story. There is a meta-narrative. And one of the worst parts about the day and age in which we live in is, and I've been preaching about this for 30 years, is the embracing of post-modernism. Post-modernism, it applies meaning to nothing unless it means something to me. So we get into your truth, my truth, and the Oprah Winfrey nonsense. But there's no meta-narrative. There's no big story.

And so therefore, I'm just a little player and probably a cosplayer in some kind of big cosmic joke. And I want to be more than that. I want to find myself deeper in that narrative that God's telling. So I see myself not as some culturally defined weakling that gets defined based on those shaking trends. But I want to know what God says about me, who he created me to be. I am an individual. There's never been another DNA like me. even with the billions of people on the planet right now,

there's not another fingerprint, not another voice, not another firing synapse that works quite like my brain does. I'm a voice, I'm a vessel, I'm an instrument that God created to make a noise in this earth in the little time that I've got that no one in human history has ever been able to make. There's an amazing dignity to that. There's an amazing honor to that. There's this wild individuality.

And then when you find yourself in that, transcendent story. I think there's something that men particularly really need to find again. And a lot of us, you know, we go to the gym and we make ourselves physically strong. But what are we doing internally? And I think that's something that a lot of us are missing. Or it goes both ways. You know, like people who are spiritually strong and figuring out who they are, they don't go to the gym. Right. Right? Like, you need to be. You need to be. You need to be. You need to be physically and mentally strong. And that is a biblical concept, by the way, being all of those things.

They really are. Of course, at my age, I'm 53, and I've got to have surgery. Right after I come back from being with you in Calgary, I've got to come back and have surgery on this arm. I have a distal bicep tear. I did it on this arm back in 2018, and they had to reattach the bicep. Now, this was a sexy injury. I was wakeboarding.

I was doing something, you know, fun, frivolous, and masculine, right? This, I would love to say that I was pulling a car off of puppies and small children, but I was lifting a television to put it on a rack and the bicep tore and ripped off. And I go, well, we really are getting older and our bodies are doing things that we're not, they're not falling off, but they are falling apart. We're seeing that happen. So yeah, I think it's a very, very good concept. We need to be treating ourselves internally, externally, our bodies, our souls, our mind, our spirit, our volition, all of those need to be strengthening more and more as we get older. And certainly I think that's a sign of maturity, right?

Yes. I mean, a couple of things I do that I'm not saying I'm a genius by any stretch. They just worked for me, Chad. One is, you know, I put my phone on Do Not Disturb once it hits five o'clock. So it doesn't mean I can't look at my phone. It just means it doesn't ding at me. Nothing comes through, right? except for a few different family members who can get through that wall.

As soon as I don't have my phone, it's funny how it, it doesn't happen day one. You find you're still checking your phone over and over again. But over time, its power over you is lessened to where you almost forget about it at times. You wake up in the morning, you put in routines that aren't check the what is happening in Iran, or, you know, it can be whatever you want before that. It could have been Russia, Ukraine, could still. be Russia, Ukraine. It could be a lot of different things that get your brain going, and that's not a bad thing. And you replace it with, for me, waking up and reading Proverbs and a few other

things. And you start the day with the right mentality to deal with the problems of the world. Yeah. I, a couple of weeks ago, I'm trying to remember what exactly was the crisis of the day. What was the crisis du jour? Something was going on. Yeah, it'll come back to me. Mexico, Maduro. It was all, it wasn't that. It was something. Ice in Minnesota. People felt like I needed to know something about this.

Like they really felt like I would be the expert on this topic. And it'll come to me. But anyway, that shows you where it placed on the priority list. But I had sort of done what you're talking about. I said, I'm, you know, and I've sort of made this a habit in my life. It's a discipline, really, of just saying, I'm not going to cling to that so tightly. Like I'm not going to hang on every breaking news story. And so I had gone about three or four days. And these people were coming to me. What's your opinion on this? What's

your opinion? They demanded to know. I mean, they did too. They were demanding to know my opinion. Why aren't you saying anything about this? And I said, well, honestly, because I haven't heard about it. I don't know what's going on. I'll go look. And I've formed my opinion and shared it with people, some liked it, some didn't. But I was like, you know, I kind of liked the fact that I didn't know what was going on. Like I didn't really know. I'm sure it was important in some people's lives, but you know, weird phenomena is happening, Sean. A weird thing's happening. Like I said, we're supposed to be experts on all these things. But if you form an opinion that's in any way different from another person's opinion, you are the villain. You've become public.

enemy number one. You are no longer one of us. And that's another thing that we've gotten, it's very dangerous how we've become. You know, America was built, Western civilization really was built on a few pretty cool ideals. And one of the things that was beautiful in the founding of this country, in this country, is that men could disagree. They could debate one another. They could dialogue and they could argue. But they had certain foundations. documents and principles that they were willing to come back to, well, we've lost all of that. We don't have that anymore. We got to agree, you know, and all the talking points have got to be there, or else there's going to be some influencer is going to come along, he's got a couple thousand

followers, and they're going to call you out. We're going to call you out. We're going to expose you. How dare you say something that I disagree with? That is a fragile society. Like, that's really a fragile society. And this demand that our favorite voices need to have some kind of expert opinion on it, that's a fragile society. I mean, you talk about the epitome of building your house on the sand. The storms are going to reveal that pretty quick. If I'm building, if I'm building my opinion, my worldview, all of these things off of what the latest influencers had to say. Now, again, most people would push back and say, well, I don't do that. Yeah, but you do.

I mean, it's just the nature of the world in which we live these days. You can't avoid the voices. And so I'm working on that too. And I'm glad to hear you say that because I'm working real hard. It's real hard for me to. Now, my phone stays on silent. That's a long time discipline. But it's hard for me to take this supercomputer that I got with me at all times and just set it over here and

forget about it. My father-in-law, he just turns his off and leaves it off all day long. And I'm like, hey, let's go fishing. And I haven't heard from him in two or three hours. And I'm like, Tom's got his phone off. Like, I don't know. How do you live like that? That's radical. I mean, he just turns it off. When I was in college, when I was in college, this is, now this is 15 years ago when I graduated. But when I was in college, my wife, then girlfriend, everybody used to get annoyed because I didn't have a phone. I didn't like having a phone. I didn't like people getting a hold of me.

If they wanted to call me, I had a room line. They could call me there and maybe I'd be there. Maybe I wouldn't. So everybody would call her. And she'd be like, yeah, this. Okay, good. And one of the things I hate about a phone and enjoy too, right? Like, I mean, it's a love-hate relationship is people can get a hold to you whenever they want.

And if they don't hear from you, you know, it's like every second that goes by, you're like, I wonder why he's not answering me, right? Yeah. And vice versa. Same thing goes on my end too, right? Text Chad. Chad doesn't answer right back. I go, I wonder if I said something wrong to Chad.

I wonder if I did. And it's funny how people's minds work because it's not that long ago. This thing wasn't there. You didn't have any choice. You had to wait. You left a message. Chad will get back to you when Chad gets back to you. And it's a strange world we live in.

I am happy. You know, one of the things for people coming to the forum, what you're talking about, talking about is the round table you're a part of. Why discussion is so important and how there's no way. There is literally no way with the pace of the world, Chad. I'm going from COVID. I was about to start writing them all out. And then I'm like, there's no way I can remember them all. How we, okay, you got COVID right, right? You're on the right team and you knew it was going on on in COVID. And then the next thing comes. And then the next thing. And has anybody been noticing the

pace which is set now where they're ever it's just coming and in order to stay where you don't get something wrong to where somebody that you were in alignment with two days ago doesn't hate you is insanely impossible to keep you have to and and then at some point you're just like i i just can't keep up you said it earlier you just can't keep up to how quickly things are happening it's like i'm supposed to be an expert on iran are we serious right now i've never been to iran You know, all I know about Iran is what has been told to me in headlines for the last 20 years. And I'm going to be honest, folks. Those same headlines told me what to think about COVID.

I don't agree with them. So now I got to go spend time and try and figure it out. Yeah, and you can't keep up with all that. And you can't. You can't keep up with all that. That's why in these days, what I have decided and kind of put my stake in the ground is I want to become a person who not a person. expert, but I want to gain an intimate knowledge of who God is, what his kingdom looks like, where I am in that big story, and be able to remind people, the kingdom of God is not an ideology,

it's not a voting block, it's not a cultural tribe, it's the reign of Christ over all things. John 1836, Jesus said, my kingdom is not of this world. Now, it doesn't mean that it has no effect on this world. It means that the source is not dependent on the world. world. The political systems are going to rise and fall, but Christ is already enthroned. So when he talks about, you know, the throne not being up for election, I can now, I don't withdraw from society. I'm just not going to anchor my identity in it, right? Now, the early church, they lived under the Roman Empire, which is arguably one of the most powerful empires in history.

you know, but again, the believers, they describe themselves as being sojourners and exiles. Peter described them as being strangers and pilgrims. The reason is because their citizenship was somewhere else. Paul says to the Philippians, he says, our citizenship is in heaven. So that changes how we react to the headlines, right? So if our hope is tied to political outcomes and every election becomes an emotional earthquake, if my hope is tied to the kingdom of Christ, I've got a different. for an outlook because now I can engage the world without being emotionally owned by it.

And I can become a person that can't be shaken because I'm with you. I remember, I remember relying on pay phones. Like I used to keep a quarter with me. Some people went all the way back to having a dime. I was in the transition as a child from going from a pay phone being a dime to a quarter, right? So I remember having to keep a quarter with me in case I ever had to make an emergency phone call. I can remember being, you know, early on in the sales world having to stop at a pay phone. And then we had this thing called MapQuest where you could get on the dial-up internet and you could print off your directions. And you had that with you. You know, I had to go make a sales call and I was looking at my MapQuest. And like you got people today. I literally said

to someone last year, I said, you know, you know, need to make sure you always have a road atlas. And someone that I know in their 20s, they said, I don't know what that is. Like, what's an Atlas? What is it? I've never heard of that. And I'm like, it's a book with maps of everything. You need to have that. And you need to know how to read it. You need to have a compass with you. And they're like, I don't even know what that is. I mean, I've got a cell phone that tells me where to go. It talks to me and tells me. And so it's kind of scary when you think about how fragile because of our dependence upon these things. You know, I laugh. I was laughing when you were telling the cell phone story because I'm reminded of my friend Glenn Beck. You know, Glenn,

I was on the blaze for five or six years on that network. And Glenn, people every now and then will reach out to me and say, can you help me get in touch with Glenn Beck? And I'm like, no. And Glenn doesn't live on the same planet we do. I mean, he's a different sort of dude. man. I mean, you talk about a guy whose brain works in a different way, but they're like, we really need Glenn's cell phone. I said, Glenn does not have a cell phone. Glenn doesn't own a cell phone. He's never owned a cell phone. Glenn's rich enough that he's got people that have cell phones, but Glenn himself does not own a cell phone. That's my goal in like right there, chat. He doesn't have one. I would be so wealthy. I don't need a cell phone. People around me can have cell phones. That sounds fun. He's got people. He's got people

that have cell phones. Glenn has an iPad. I don't even pick up my iPad. There's everyone sitting here, though. Glenn's got an iPad if he needs to look at emails or he needs to scan news or something like that. You'll see Glenn with his iPad. But Glenn, you know, he doesn't have a cell phone. Doesn't own one. If somebody needs, if Tanya, his wife needs to get in touch with him, she calls Craig. And Craig tells Glenn, what a life. I don't know. Most of us could survive that way. But I remember, You know, I always call these things cameras that you can actually talk to people on. Because this is more of a camera than anything else for us. And now with the advent of chat GPT, see, that's scary because with the, you know,

with the AI stuff that's coming along, we don't have to think critically anymore. We just ask a question and we give this big detailed answer. And it's, we're, our brains, you talk about working out physically. we're not working out our brains mentally anymore. We're going to turn into mush. So, in essence, in summary, what we're doing is we're becoming an easily shaken people. We talk about a kingdom that can't be shaken. We're becoming easier and easier to shake because we're turning into mush.

We're turning into mush. So I'm encouraging people, can we please become unshakable people? Because I think if you're a part of an unshakable kingdom, that produces unshakable people. Now, not arrogant people, not just the loudest voice in the room, but stable people. Because we're living in a world that panics. I want to be calm. People that despair. I want to be hopeful. People that want to compromise to get along. And I want to be faithful, right? So I want to be that person who can endure the shaking that comes through. And unfortunately, everything in our world these days is making us easier and easier to shake.

I agree. I want to go back. You mentioned the Epstein files. And I actually, Chad, you know, in our brief history of knowing each other, I didn't pick that up. I wouldn't, you know, I didn't even, you know, when I first, you first came across my timeline on X, it was a tweet regarding Charlie Kirk. And I know a lot's gone on since and before then and everything else.

I just, I didn't know that you've gone to Washington for the Epstein files. Could you walk me through that? Because I, you know, like, if you follow anyone on social media, they certainly made theories up about, I didn't realize it was you, but of the social media people that went there and had the book and everything else. I mean, I didn't realize I'm sitting talking to a guy that actually got to go there. Yeah, I think there was, I think there was 16 of us that were there. I think there were 16 of us. And we all know these people. and, you know, they've all, I've known many of them for years and years, dear friends that I've known.

And, you know, we were invited to go up and sit down and just hear from J.D. Vance and Carolyn Levitt. Those were the two that were named. Just talk about what the policy goals are of the administration. And so we go up there, and as we're sitting in the Roosevelt room, which is, is the conference room right next to the Oval Office, Carolyn Leavitt comes in, not Carolyn Leavitt, I'm sorry, Pam Bond, the Attorney General comes in with Cash Patel, director of the FBI, and she drops these notebooks in our lap and says,

don't look at them. There's really, you know, don't look at them. This is the first part that we're going to release. And so then the president comes in. He wants us to come in the Oval Office and visit with him. So we're taking immediately away from these notebooks because we're all going, what's in this book, right? Before you go any further.

Yeah. Have you ever met Trump before this? Yes. And so I'd been with Trump. I'd never been with Trump in the Oval Office. I'd been with him at various events and I'd been with him at Mar-a-Lago. And Trump's an interesting character, which means the whole other topic. I mean, he's something else, which I know everybody's got their opinion on him.

But we go in the Oval Office. And that's, it's a little bit, people who have criticized us for that day, I've often said to people who would listen to me long enough, I say, okay, you put yourself in my shoes. You put yourself in my shoes. I'm sitting there with the vice president of the United States around a table of 16 people. And he's telling us his vision. And he's telling us, you know, what he's thinking about the country and this administration. And then President Trump walks in the room and says, I got a call with NATO. It's going to take me two minutes. And then you want you come in the oval. We're going to just come in the oval. Well, I don't know about you, but not everybody gets invited by the president himself into the Oval Office.

You go in there's a little overwhelming. And then we come back out and Bobby Kennedy comes in and meets with us. Marco Rubio comes in and meets with us. And it's just, it's a veritable who's who kind of few hours. And meanwhile, we still have this notebook sitting in front of us that we're not, we've been told, don't look at this yet. Don't look at this yet. And so we're excited.

and they walk us out of a different door from the door. At the end of the day, we walk out a different door than the one we came in. And by the way, you don't have your cell phone in the West Wing. You have to check that in a locker. And so you're completely in the dark. And they walk us out and we walk out in front of all of the press. And they're snapping pictures. So the mainstream media is out there snapping pictures.

And so you know what happens. They're going to put the pictures out there that us look like we're carrying water for the administration with these notebooks. Well, immediately, I'm, I get back to my hotel room and I'm thumbing through the book and I go, well, there's nothing really new here. And so now it's mainstream media. It's big noise. And so within hours, I'm in the DC studio for Newsmax. I do, I do Mercedes Schlapps show. I do Chris Salcedo show. I'm on Ben Ferguson's podcast. I'm doing all these media hits, all within hours of receiving this notebook and basically saying there's nothing in here.

Well, we're meanwhile getting crucified. And I'm talking about not by the left. We're getting crucified by people on the right, our people, people that, and they're, you know, and I'm going, how would you have responded differently? Like they walk us out in front of the media, the pictures are being snapped, we're holding these notebooks. Tell me how you would have handled it differently because we were, weren't allowed to, we didn't have the time to go through the notebooks to see what was in there.

But here's the mainstream media feeding you a narrative that says, these people are hiding something for the Trump administration. And I keep saying, I'd love to know how anybody would have behaved differently. Because, you know, hindsight's 2020, I'd love to have been able to taking that notebook and toss it back at Pam Bondi and say, there's nothing in here. I'm not walking out with that thing. And so there's a lot of, you know, know, there's a lot of speculation. Of course, what somebody says on the internet lives forever.

And so, again, we kind of became public enemy number one. And people said, well, when are you going to talk about what's in that notebook? Well, for the last year, I've talked about it ad nauseum. I was talking about it on mainstream media, literally within hours of receiving it. But again, people aren't privy to that because they didn't go out and research it to try to see what's Chad Preyther ever said about what was in those notebooks. It's there. I also went live twice on my massive. Facebook profile and I went page by page through what was in there. But people didn't see that, right? If you did, you did. If you didn't, you didn't. I can't, you can't control who sees what. And so through all of that stuff, we became, I mean, you can go back and watch my series. I think it's still on YouTube. You can go back and watch the six-part series that I did back in

2020 about Jeffrey Epstein when I was with the Blaze, the expose. We reveal things about Jeffrey Epstein that people didn't talk about. They didn't know about, people didn't know about Zorro Ranch. They didn't know about what was going on in New Mexico. They didn't know about his eugenics projects. They didn't know about them naming a research wing after him in Harvard. They didn't know about him being a eighth grade substitute math teacher and how he peddled influence in order to get rich. They didn't know about a lot of those different things. He was still this mysterious creature who was accused of all these atrocious things and had this private island and celebrities were probably connected to him. But they didn't know a lot of things. So I was at the forefront of

revealing a lot of those things. And I go from that and now I'm trying to hide something for the administration for this and kind of get lumped into these atrocious abhorrent crimes. And so that's when I stepped back and said, okay, this system that we keep embracing of constant noise and headlines and trends, it's going to kill all of us. Like it's literally going to kill all of us because people don't know what to believe. They're being told what to believe. So here was an administration that said, we're going to bypass the mainstream media. We're going to make it available for some of you creators and influencers and voices to actually hear what we're doing before the mainstream media does. And then we got crucified for

walking out of the White House and doing that exact thing. And the mainstream media was able to frame the narrative for everybody and say, this is what you need to believe about these people. Now, I remind everybody, historically for 20 years, I've made a living being a comedian and a musician. I am not a politico. I'm not a sociologist. I'm not a political science guy. I'm a comedian. I talk about conservative issues. I make fun of a lot of political issues. I'm a comedian. But somehow, I was supposed to be the voice of authority and expertise on all these things. and again, you realize you're getting chewed up by a system. And everybody that's listened to me about this, I'm telling them, you keep embracing this.

That's a kingdom that's being shaken. Eventually, it's going to grind you to pieces as well. What are your thoughts on, you know, first off, I had no idea. I knew you'd work for the blaze, and I remember that part of your story, but walking through different things, Epstein. I mean, you get crucified for being there. But then you fast forward and you get to see, you know, more documents released, I think, what was it, 3 million the last time? I want to say. For all I know, we're up to 6 million. It could be a billion at this point. Did you see the Clintons get interviewed?

Yeah. What were your thoughts on that? Well, the Clintons are scum. I mean, there's not a moral fiber in their body. There's just not. And I know people who have, I know people that have had to protect them on secret service details. I know, you know, my friend Buzz Patterson, who carried the nuclear football for two years in the Clinton White House. He'll tell you story after story. He's not, he's written a book about it, actually. He has no problem talking about it.

Great interview. You should have him on, by the way, Sean. I'll give the, he'll do it to Buzz Patterson's incredible interview. But he says, not a moral fiber in their body. So, you know, the way they frame the Clintons, and there's a part of me that thinks the huge secrecy around the Epstein stuff is in a large way by people on both the left and the right to protect the Clintons. And I don't know exactly why that is, but I think that the Clintons are a huge piece of that puzzle that is being protected. And so to see that testimony that they did, and we can pick it apart, and people have done that a lot. But to see the testimony that they did, it's just one more lap to nowhere.

They look guilty. I mean, Hillary Clinton gets mad at a line of question and gets up storms out because she's basically proving that she's the one who's in control. And then she's going to come out there and refer to him as Epstein. Oh, I mean Epstein. That's on purpose. Somebody coached her to do that so she looks unfamiliar with the subject. And then Bill Clinton, who's laughing about old pictures that are popping up, that type of behavior, the body language of that. And they're trying to make him look a little more frail with the shaking and all the stuff.

They're trying to look like him and like, you know, Joe Biden got away with a lot of stuff because they said, well, he's not mentally competent enough to stand trial and testify. But yet he can run the United States of America. None of that makes sense. But that's what they try to do. So it's the same old game. They want to try to make Bill look, you know, frail. and he's the old guy that's just getting picked on now by the system. But what I've said over and over about these so-called Epstein files is

it's been filtered through so many fingers for so long. The whole deal was mishandled back when the trial on Epstein was happening in Florida. Pam Bondi, by the way, was the Attorney General of Florida at the time. I'm no fan of Pam Bondi. You'll find out from talking to me at any length of time. and I think the whole deal was mishandled then. Everything's been mishandled. There's a lot of lies, but there's nothing.

You can read the Epstein, Liz. You can read the emails. You can see the people that get named. Okay, so, and they're like, well, I don't understand why people aren't being arrested. Why aren't people being hauled off in handcuffs? You know, where's the wood chipper? Okay, we should have just learned. Critical thinkers would know that we should have just learned from what happened with the mistakes made in the Diddy trial, the Sean Combs trial,

is they bit off more than they could chew. They didn't have actionable evidence. And he got, although he did get sentenced, he did not get what he should have gotten because he wasn't on trial for being a vile human being. You go on trial and you get indicted and you get prosecuted and you get sentenced for having broken the law in a way that can be proven beyond the shadow of a doubt. You can read all those Epstein files. That doesn't mean there's actionable evidence in there that somebody can actually take

to an attorney general, take to a court and say, okay, this person needs to be arrested and tried for this crime. So, again, are there vile, evil people out there? 100%. We live in a vile world. It's a gross world. But can you prove it? Can you prove that these people did these things? And this is where the cry for the Epstein list, I believe, was mishandled. Because if you do it prematurely and you do it in the wrong way. Well, now you've got six million pieces of paper out there. Well, who's going to filter through all of that stuff? Who's going to go in and find the actionable evidence in there? Nobody. We're not capable of doing that. And so if you look at it, what do you intend to investigate? And the biggest conclusion that I come through through all of this is,

is Jeffrey Epstein was not the disease. He's the symptom. When Jeffrey Epstein was removed from the seen, someone came and filled that vacuum. Those same crimes are happening today. We know they are. We know that human trafficking is happening. We know that pedophilia is happening. We know that children are disappearing. We know that all of these atrocities still exist in our society. The Department of Homeland Security has got seven agents working on that. Out of 339,000 missing children, that are, I should say not missing children, exploited children, who have sets of images on the internet on the dark web that are pornographic. Out of 339,000, 8,000 of which are speculated to be right here in the United States,

the Department of Homeland Security only has seven agents working on that. Something about that doesn't line up. That doesn't make sense. Why are we not exposing the crime that's existing today? We want to keep digging up the crimes that happened yesterday. What about the crimes happening today? because again, we've already messed up. We messed up with the Diddy trial. We messed up with the Epstein trial.

We messed up with all of these things. Why is it not being uncovered today? We're not putting the energy, the manpower, and the resources behind ending this thing because we're protecting a system that goes on regardless of who's in power, who's running the thing. And again, Epstein was not the disease. He was the symptom. Why aren't we doing something about that? That's the vile aspect and the injustice of the world that we're living in today.

I was just going to say on the Clinton's being interviewed while I sat there and watched, I'm like, you know, it would have been great to have a blue collar worker doing the interview instead of a lawyer. Isn't that the truth? Like, just a common person sitting there. And when Hillary Clinton's doing all she was doing when Bill Clinton's laughing at the pictures and stuff, it would just be great to have somebody sitting beside that lawyer. Could I take over now?

All right, Bill. And I think that would have been enjoyable. before I lay out of here, you were talking this morning, pulling it back to some things from the Bible and maybe not lighter topics by any stretch of imagination, but you set a line that I found I'm careful, careful about because, you know, my journey and faith, although I do a show and I've become more public with it, it has taken time because I was very protective of it. And you said, worried about smuggling your own soul into heaven this morning. Yeah. I'm like, well, I am pretty worried about smuggling my own soul in the heaven. I want to make sure that I'm protecting my, my relationship with God. Yeah.

Because that's a very intimate time for me. But that line stood out to me this morning. As a guy who does, you know, before the noise and talks openly about the Bible, I thought I'd just let you expand. on that. Yeah, something that I've said in recent days, and I still contend with this, Jesus didn't die. You're not saved just to go to heaven, right? The purpose of your salvation isn't to take you to heaven. That's a byproduct. It's part of it. You're saved for so much more. And that so much more is that I am to be consistently pursuing that intimate relationship with the one who not only created me, breathe life into me, the reason for my existence, the one who, by the word of his power, holds all of my life together.

I want to be an intimate relationship with him who died for me, who turned death sting into a shadow so that I don't get hit by the substance of death. I get hit by the shadow of death. and I'd much rather get hit by the shadow of the truck than the substance of the truck. And I want to look for a city with foundations whose architect and builder is God, Hebrews 1110. And I want to find my stability from that future certainty, but knowing that I am in a relationship with one who's deserving of my radical worship, my radical devotion, my radical love. And rather than being consumed with what's the, the world demands the chaos of rage and fear and tribalism and division. I want to be a part of that

king that produces something different. Gratitude. Gratitude. Why? Well, it's contagious for one thing. I think when people see that in you, you're not just smuggling your own soul into heaven. You've got other people that want to come along with you. And I think that the believer in Christ knows something that the world doesn't know. And that's the story's already been decided. Christ wins, right? The kingdom advances. the temporary shaking is clearing the stage for what can't be moved. So I'll say another radical thing to that point of not just smuggling your soul into heaven. Everything in your soul right now is not going to heaven. There are things that God is going to chisel off of you, sanctify and set apart.

He's going to do something in you radically. He's going to shake off all the extra, chisel off all the stuff, that doesn't belong. Politics, money, reputation, the tribe, those things. Some of those things, my flesh, my sin, my selfish independent negation of the will of God in my life, S-I-N, selfish-independent negation. So that only Christ remains. And that kingdom that I'm chasing, rooted in truth, is going to determine whether that shaking that happens is going to destroy me or purify me. And so I want to present myself pure before him because if he's holy, I want to be holy. And if I'm going to claim his name, I want to claim his character.

I want to be able to demonstrate his character. And so to that, I believe I think we're going to bring this world back into some kind of alignment. Listen, we don't even, you talked about COVID. I mean, we don't trust the medical industry. We don't trust the educational industry. name an institution we trust. I mean, any of it, we don't trust the justice system. We don't trust the media.

None of it. None of it. Trust is gone. It's evaporated. People are angry. People are afraid. Everything's being shaken. We see that. Well, rather than just trying to smuggle my home soul into heaven, get it across the border, and let's see if I can become a refugee in heaven, I'd much rather walk in there like I belong. I'd rather walk in there like I'm part of the family and bring as many family members with me along the way.

I think that matters. I think it gives meaning to life. And I think it's a whole lot more fulfilling than the anguish and the exhaustion that we're living with right now from doing it the other way. Yeah, I put my trust in the big guy upstairs. That's where it's when, right? So like you lose trust at everything, Chad, everything you just said, yes. You're like, I don't trust fully what I used to. So where does that trust gone?

I can tell you, people are more tired than ever before. And I mean, people that want to push back and say, well, I'm not so interested in this faith or God stuff. We just answer that question. Are people more tired than ever before? They're exhausted. The news cycles, the headlines, the chaos, the noise, it's ruined people. They're living in fear. They're cloistered.

They hate the people around them. They drive home after work. Their garage door goes up. They pull in. The garage door comes down and then they relate to the world with the internet. They don't even know their neighbors. Don't even know their neighbors. And I mean, that's a reality.

And that's the result that this world wants. That's the chaos. That's the result it wants. And we've got to break that cycle. Well, Jesus breaks that cycle. Absolutely. But we're his ambassadors, right? To the degree that we're aligned with him and we're his

representatives and we are those agents of that of that kingdom and we've got to be the ones and we're going to live it by demonstration and I think that's what makes the difference. That's that's why, you know, thy kingdom come, thy will be done on earth even as it is in heaven. It's an unshakable kingdom. Chad, appreciate you coming on. Looking forward to meeting you in person here. in just a couple weeks. We're going to have fun.

Oh, yeah. Anyone coming to Cornerstone? You're not... Chad's just the tip of the iceberg, in my opinion. There's a lot of wonderful speakers coming. And looking forward to finally meeting you in person. Thanks again for hopping on today. Thanks for having me, brother.