Shaun Newman Podcast - #1019 - John Graff

Episode Date: March 19, 2026

John Graff is a Saskatchewan-based farmer. He is a nutritionist, chemist, process engineer, former agribusiness executive, college instructor, and consultant who has advised on agriculture, food security, bio-energy, and related fields. As Chairman and President (and founder) of the Living Streams Institute, a Saskatchewan-registered non-profit think tank and educational organization, he promotes self-sufficiency through courses and workshops on off-grid energy, alternative heating, biomass fuels, food production, private healthcare, municipal sovereignty, and reducing reliance on government/mainstream supply chains. Silver Gold Bull Links:Website: https://silvergoldbull.ca/Email: [e-mail] Grahame: [phone]Bow Valley Credit UnionBitcoin: www.bowvalleycu.com/en/personal/investing-wealth/bitcoin-gatewayEmail: [e-mail] Get your voice heard: Text Shaun 587-217-8500

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this week's guests, or maybe somebody you've listened to on another podcast, and you're like, man, I'd really like to see this person on yours. Either way, that's going to do it here. We're going to get on to that tale of the tape. Today's guest is Saskatchewan-based farmer. He's also the founder of Living Streams Institute, a Saskatchewan Non-for-profit,

think tank, and educational organization. I'm talking about John Graff. So buckle up. Here we go. Well, welcome to the Sean Newman podcast. Today I'm joined by John Graff. Sir, thanks for hopping in the studio. Yeah, thanks.

Nice to swing by. No kidding. For the audience, this is the first time, I was saying to you before we started, we've chatted on the phone before. And once upon a time, we helped you put on a vent out in Lashburn. Yeah. But other than that, I don't know if certainly you've never been on the podcast before. Yeah.

So maybe we'd just start with for the audience, a little bit about yourself and go as long or as short as you'd like. Well, yeah, I'm John. And from down in southeast Saskatchewan is where we make home now. and my, I guess my background, I'm a farmer by heart and by vocation and in the past, animal nutritionist. And then I guess of late, I've been doing a lot more in helping people get their voices heard and maybe trying to plan ways that we can exist in this changing world and still maintain a little bit of sanity.

And so I'm one of the directors and founders of the National Citizens Inquiry and then president of Living Streams Institute. Well, before we get too far into that, I got a gift for you for being in studio. All right. Silver, great. Yeah. Oh, no, not him. That's a one ounce silver coin.

That's fair. That is totally fair. One ounce silver coin. Yeah, thank you. From silver gold bowl. Yeah, maple. Yep, for anyone that comes in studio, we hand out a one ounce silver coin. So I'm curious. I know a little bit about living streams, and I've seen some things on precious metals.

Yeah, we're high on the, high on there. You're a collector, then. Not a collector, no. What we look at is it should be used as currency. use it in transactions and so I'm not really one who digs up and put silver in a bag under in the in the garden or anything but I'm trying to promote it as as something that we use in our transactions because it's this is real money and it's it's what we should be doing I love I love the way you know the aspects of what we can do with it and and get people out of the fiat world

Well, I agree. So going back to it, you just, I don't even know where to begin with you because there's a whole bunch of different things I thought about talking about, but you're just on your way back from the NCI. Yeah. You know, I've had Sean Buckley and Ken Drysdale and I don't know, a whole bunch of other people that have been, you know, apart. I was actually, you know, somewhere here. I got the, sorry, folks, I'm talking half of the half in. I got the NCI final report. Yeah, sorry.

I'm talking to the mic. I'm not talking to the mic. I'm just, it's sitting there. Yeah. Anyways, I got a ton of respect for those two men specifically. And you just came from Colonna. Right. And this one's all about farmers.

Yeah, our farmers safe in Canada. So I thought maybe we just start there because if people weren't paying attention and missed it, they can go back and watch it. Yeah. And if anybody remembers, and I think we do, the National Citizens Inquiry when they went across Canada, some of the testimonies. there were unbelievable. Thank you.

Anybody that spends a little bit time on our website or watching some of the videos is going to change their life. You know, it's in the first time across Canada, I was here with the new team here in Saskatchewan and in Saskatoon and listening to some of those stories. And I was part of interviewing and then ran the hearings. up here and it really it gets you it gets you it was it was rough just going through listening to other people's stories of what they went through with you know vaccine injuries and and that type of thing and you just once you realize that our authorities are people above us knew what they were doing to people i don't know what you can't you can't uh you can't uh you You can't unsee that.

You can't unlive it. Well, walk me through the NCI in Clona then. What did you hear? What did you see? It was three days, correct? Three days. So this is our third actual topic. So first was the COVID.

Then we had our children safe in Canada. That wrecks your world as well. And then this is our farmer safe in Canada. The first hearing in that. We'll see how many we get. There's a lot of interest. three days there in Kelowna and we heard some some top this was probably a little little bit different than than others because we we didn't have as many experts well i shouldn't say that most farmers

are experts you know but um we didn't have the big PhDs and that kind of stuff we had people telling their stories from Jim Ness, you know, just straight south almost here, telling his story of when he opposed the... Saskatchewort. Yeah, thank you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And he went to jail for it. Like, for taking a bag of grain across the U.S. border, legally walked across to the south,

and then arrested, well, he was charged, I guess, on the way back. The second time he did it, and it was 24 of them, 24 farmers who did this as a protest infant, and on the way back the second time met with SWAT team and people in black masks and swat it all up with automatic rifles. And to hear him, I think everyone should watch that testimony. It is the education for every... dissident on how to take down a unjust system. And they succeeded.

And we can too. And the interesting thing is it's the same people, the exact same people. Then as now. They're just tyrants. And we need to take them down. And he lays it out. That is exactly what we need to do.

And then we had people like Teresa Walker, who experienced depopulation of her animal herd in England and then came to Canada and got to experience Mad Cow or BSE and she talked about the emotional part. Talked as farmers, how we have a dedication to our animals and just how it tears you apart to failure your animals and having them when they're killed by authorities when they're not even sick. And then we had the, you know, Katie and Karen, Lee Turner and all the people involved

at the ostrich farms there in BC and heard the details of that. And you realize when you listen to Lee Turner, who's the lawyer, and he talks about how the government came in and they killed those ostriches without a on just the suspicion of disease. And even if you test them and you try to, you prove that they're healthy, if you prove they're healthy, they won't listen,

they will kill them anyways because they go back to a prior suspicion, the complete injustice of that, killing people's livelihood, wiping them out. We have people that we have witnesses who had their animals depopulated, and they're a year since that time, now they'll have missed three crops, a calf crops,

one that was there that was killed, one that should have been sold this fall last fall or over the winter, and now they haven't been able to restock, and their animals will be, they will not have a calf crop this coming year to sell. Nobody cares. They just let them go, let these farmers fend for themselves. and then all the time try to push the compensation package down, down, down, make them desperate so they have to accept. That's what our government's doing to people. Without a test based upon suspicion. It's like it's a political punishment.

And you start to hear these things and, like, it's again, what are we going to do? It's just not right. And the voices of the people have to be heard. And no, the media is not, no, people don't realize how many thousands of animals are being killed every week or month. They're not spoken about in the media. The mainstream's not doing anything on it. And these people are just, just suffering in silence. And they take it, you know, the farmers take it because they're, they don't want to upset the industry.

And they feel a little bit shame for having brought this on up themselves. and they didn't do anything. CFIA shows up. It's just not right. So NCI, we have to be unbiased and objective. It's really, really hard. But now that the testimony's there, we can speak about what the testimony was

and see, we invited all the CFIA, we invited the Minister of Agriculture, we invited the head of the CFIA, we invited everybody. They don't show up. So we'll go with the testimony that's given. And it's, it really bugs,

bothers me when you hear the stories. It tears it, yeah. When you, your name has been, I think, synonymous with solutions or, like, working at things to try and push back against what is happening. I could be wrong in how I,

um, uh, position that regardless. When you look at the, uh, where we sit in Canada and how we get out of it, you've had a lot of time to sit and think on this, and more than that, I would say you've been doing a lot of things

and trying to educate and train and probably a few other words that I don't know about, John. When you look at where we sit in Canada currently, you know, you sit in western provinces, right? You're in Saskatchewan. You're in one of the freer spots of Canada. Yeah, we call ourselves the center of, freedom.

That's right. What are, what are some things that, uh, that you can talk about that, you know, you think people should know? Well, I think when you, you look at this, um, so, so look over the, the series of things that we've been looking at in, in just the NCI. And we've only just touched on things, really in the NCI. Um, there are bigger investigations and inquiries into things, but so we've done the COVID investigations and we found that the government knows what they're doing and and they have

injured people knowingly some of the people that we think are our saviors of our of our of the west and even of some of our provinces they knowingly are allowing kids and families to be hurt so you see that then we see we went through our children safe in Canada and we we go through and And one of the things that some of us, not, we haven't got the report out yet, so I don't want to speak out of turn. But my understanding from sitting there and watching this and listening, hearing some of the experts say that the number one group in Canada that is trafficking children is our government. That's shocking. but there were and beyond below that is how they're destroying families and coming in and just taking kids and and um the decisions that that tear families apart so they're tearing

they're attacking our health they're attacking our families now we're seeing how they're attacking our food and our farm and our animals and they're just moving now on to uh some investigations into the c fia is looking into seed and the genetic and the genetics and the genetics of seed and they want to regulate and control and change that. So our food is at risk. Our monetary system's at risk. With everything that you hear, the destruction and the debt and inflation, all of those things going together.

So our monetary systems at risk, our education system is a travesty, at the very least. You know, you have what's happened to Mr. Newfeld out there in B.C. That's insanity. It's plain insanity. You see what's happening in Calgary with Derek Reimer and things like that. It is absolutely a, it's a systematic destruction of our society in Canada, our culture, our country. I think when he said it, back years ago when Justin Trudeau said that we were a post national country without any national identity he was right he's he's maybe that day may he may have not been but he's accomplished it and it's time for people like we're in we're in the ninth inning it's time to to deal with this and we can't continue on just hoping that someone

will change it and some some representative will you know who doesn't represent us actually they actually represent the the monster to us trying to placate us into how to feed us best best into the dragon that's that's what we're kind of looking at and and so there are some things that we need to be be doing there is there are things we can push back at and In the end, I think we can be successful if people get active. And that's where probably my biggest fear is, is that people are, they've listened to the satanic lullaby too much. And they're asleep.

The satanic lullaby? Yeah, that's a little thing that I would, I coined for, if you look at all the evil in the world, and they just like to just whisper into your ear and sing you to sleep of how good it is, all that type of thing. And we're really having some, things are tough for,

if you want to see, see your kids have any freedoms in the future, any rights, any, I just saw my, I've been avoiding social media for the last little bit. I've just been taking a bit of a break, if you would. But I flipped it on. I was, you know, when,

I was waiting for, for you. I was like, flip on X. See what's going on, right? And sitting there, there was a video of a lady out in Ontario having the place show up for things she said online. Yeah, here we are. And once again, folks, I don't, I assume that video is legit, right? I sit here and I go, I assume it's legit. But in Canada, right? We've been watching a lot of that in England, a lot of that in the UK, a lot of that going on there and things. thinking, well, how far behind are we? Are we a couple years?

Are we a couple months? It's starting to look like it's going to start happening more and more here in Canada. Legislation hasn't even been passed. That's right. And that's one of the things that I was noting, like even with the CFI, but you see this in all these different places. Like you're saying with the hate speech laws and that kind of stuff, they aren't law yet, and they're coming for people.

There's guys in Saskatoon arrested. and jailed for speaking and texting out or posting problems. But we see it the CFIA. So if you went through Bill C-293, the government lays out its plan for food. Now, that legislation died with the calling of the election. It was a private member's bill. It passed through the House of Commons, but was in the Senate. And then they called the election.

It died. But within it, it told us what the government's insinference. plans were for for food and our prime minister when he wasn't prime minister carney when he was just a man maybe maybe he went on the podcast of the private member that irskine smith and um kind of you know boosting his his uh status by having uh someone of that stature on while he's pushing the bill C-293, which is a pandemic preparedness bill. And in it, it speaks that they will regulate,

first they will prepare for a world without antibiotics, reducing the dependent upon antibiotics. When you remove antibiotics, other places they speak about having a world without antibiotics. So how are you going to treat? Antibiotics are things like ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, penicillin, things like this, that we need to treat diseases. Maybe we don't need to use it quite as much, but they're already highly regulated.

They're preparing for a world without them. So where does that leave us? It leaves us basically with vaccination and with genetic modification of your immune system. I'm not sure if most of us are probably not in favor of a lot of that anymore. then they will regulate commercial agriculture and commercial agriculture. If you look here in even in Alberta, what was tried to push through some of your local bylaws on land use and that type of thing. Three chickens is the limit of non-commercial.

So four chickens was commercial or industrial. So very low levels and thresholds for that. Let me ask you a question. Because you are a man that I feel like has looked into lots of different ways of repelling this or, I don't know, finding a way to push back. Is there a way a group of people could take over in Saskatchewan, an RM, right? The three levels of governance, federal, provincial, municipal. Yeah. The municipal has a ton of power there.

and could you take that over and just be like in an hour we're not doing these these bylaws and a whole bunch of different things yes i think i think that is part of the the plan that we need to be looking at um there are other things we can do but there are several places where we run up against a wall in other other actions and you have to turn to your municipal municipal and of things they control most of the property taxes The money comes from them. As soon as you start, you can get control of the RM, you have control of the money. You can direct it to what schools you want. You get to maintain the roads that they're wanting to lower. It's the RMs that control the police budgets. And you know the funny thing about the RMs? How many votes in some small little, not small RM, because I mean land...

My district and my RM is 16 votes. Correct. You're already picking, you're already where I'm probably 10 years behind you. I've just been like, you know, like on this side, you know, when you first start down this road, sorry. You know, you interview all these people, you kind of go through like, I don't know, what is it the can't be that bad. There's no way it's that bad. It is that bad. Then you're like, okay, well, Pierre gets in, right?

Conservatives get in, we'll fix all this. and then you start looking at that, and I, that doesn't look like it. So that's, like, you can't really fix. I don't see how we fix the federal government, because they're all, you know, one wing, right wing, left ring, all the same bird is what you hear. And that's true. Pierre gets in, might be a nice guy, don't know.

But when you look at the track record of the conservatives, Harper was who signed the Sustainable Development Goals. It was the conservatives who put forward open banking. And now it died in the last election call as well. And then the liberals brought it and put it in the budget. Open banking is what watches all of your money and all of your transactions and decides whether or not you can buy something. That's in our budget already, 2025 budget.

But that was put forward by the conservatives who said, we will put this forward and push the liberals into it. And they did. It's the conservatives who said, we want, I think Melissa Lansdowne was who said it, that UBI, universal basic income, should be owned by the conservatives.

It should be part of our platform, something to that effect. Well, you're reiterating. So then you start staring on you're like, oh, man, okay, well, provincially. We'll do it provincially. And then you just, you keep looking at things, you're like, man, I don't know. Yeah.

And I come down. You can't find a human savior. Very good point. Yeah. Yeah. And so that, I think you were exactly right with the municipalities. And in Saskatchewan, we're a little different than in Alberta. Alberta, you have, there's great big counties.

And they're huge, you know, the council is a little bit detached. from their people around them. But in Saskatchewan, we have fairly small municipalities. They're, what are they, 36 miles by 18 miles, I think. Roughly. Yeah. And so, and we know, I know my counselors, my next-door neighbor, my daughter's babysat his kids, my sons help the other counselor.

Like I say, Saskatchewan is such a unique, a unique case study because of the population size. Yeah. And then how many, like, I mean, how many votes would it actually take? It wouldn't take, you know, 100 votes? Well, most of the counselors and everything has been for a generation, been acclaimed. Correct.

They haven't been, had an election. Nobody's ran against them. Now, a lot of them are really good guys. You know, they're farmers and their people. There are a few dinks. But most of them are typically, you know, common sense until they get themselves pumped up you know pumped by somebody and turned into little hitlers but uh those you just have to run against them just easy you know 16 votes that wouldn't be and so that's only nine votes to

win you know and and uh so changing them over will be pretty should be pretty simple and it should be be but you already said it getting people to do things or to like become an active is a very difficult endeavor yeah yeah um yeah it is we do have the the strength in Saskatchewan of having um you know a rural population as a people who are doers in the cities i think that's a little harder but in the in the rural area you know we'll grab bailing wine twine and some duct tape and we'll go fix something. And I think that's what's going to save us here. God will encourage us.

And it might take some hard times too in some areas to get people riled up and maybe that comes along. Well, what do they say? Nobody moves from a place of comfort. Yeah. And certainly that hits the nail right on the head. Yep, yeah, yeah. So I do think that that's where we come from.

Now, in Alberta, the province has ruled against, you know, if you shake the tree a little bit too much here, they'll come and depose you as a council here in Alberta. I dare them to try that in Saskatchewan. I dare them. They will have an uprising like they have never seen before. and so I think we're in a good place that way. There's enough power in our rural vote to keep Saskatchewan straight.

I'm going to go all the way back. You know, I said, you know, you should tell the audience a little bit about yourself, but you're born and raised in Saskatchewan? No, I'm from Alberta. You're from Alberta. So you're the opposite. You're an Alberta transplant into Saskatchewan. Yep, yeah.

There's a couple of us. Did you ever think you be, I don't know, not that that chairs anything special, but like in general, you know, like, I don't know, I assume when you're younger you had a life planned of, I actually don't know, but like, did you think you'd be sitting where you're sitting in the NCI and all the different things that have been going on? No, I'm not sure that I want to be, but I don't think I could handle looking at my kids and my grandkids and saying I had the opportunity, and I said, no, I stood down. This is about legacy. Everyone out there, there's too many people trying to build their life here, the big house, the big car, boat when they die it's all gone but you save Canada you save the West and that lives forever and that's what people need to realize your family goes on after you die and if you sit back and do nothing you end that that line you end your family well that's kind of

been beat into us you know that like um you just having a conversation with my oldest brother actually that you know like when I first started the podcast I don't know maybe I thought in the sense of years or probably a year but not much further than that and you know a thousand podcasts into this sucker I'm thinking a lot longer than than what's happening in Sean's next year right yeah and so when you start to take a look at that then you can start looking and think okay we got to start doing some things a little bit different differently. I got young kids, right? What do you want from? You want them to have a life?

Yeah. At least opportunity. Opportunity. Yeah. We don't, I definitely do not want my kids to have a determined outcome in their life, determined by somebody else. But I also, with the values they have. Yeah. Yeah. And, and I also do not want the powers that be setting what their opportunities are. and that's you know our our system is being developed into where it takes away opportunities say that you can't get out of the rut you're in you can't you can't overcome what you're you're where you're at your your your status in the country it's a respecter of persons that i i can't stand you know the this british aristocrat stuff with drinking tea with the little fingers and with the stuff you get just listen to when when you go back east and listen you can't

we can't have that and you listen to Jim Ness again when he's talking about the old wheatboard and how I grew up under that and tried to start farming under that and it just crushes you and you know that you're you're taking three or four dollars a bushel less than everybody else in the world and less than people on either side of us here in the prairies that bc didn't didn't have to to sell for that cheap and Ontario and East didn't have to sell and you you listen and I think I'm I'm that age group where I was a young man when it was still in effect and trying to get started farming and how it it crushed all hope you know you couldn't do anything you couldn't even try achieve anything I know what that felt like that removal of opportunity I do not want that for my

kids and right now agriculture has got got some hope in it but these these forces are still coming back trying to take that hope out of it and trying to take the opportunity away and we we can't we cannot allow that we cannot allow that you know it's one of the I'm beginning to realize even if you succeed they will try again and then they're gonna try again and they're gonna try again so you might as well just get going yeah the playbook they just read the same playbook over and over and over like I said the exact same people are involved on both sides of this like in the struggles we've been having the last few years in the health world the exact same person was

involved in the wheatboard exactly on the government side And you ask, well, what's going on? Well, it's a playbook. With the Living Streams or Crossroads, correct? So Crossroads Forum is our committee that puts on a monthly community supper and information and community building in our area. And Living Streams Institute is our overall. organization, the think tank. So when it comes to then living streams, what should people know about it? And if they wanted to get in contact with you or with the group, what would you

instruct them to do? Well, first, just go to our website, livingstreams.ca, take a look at that. there's a lot of stuff in there so we're we've been you know in going at this since November of 2018 we've been been building leaders around all over the country we are are doing the crossroads forum probably one of the oldest continuous gatherings that keeps going and and now that's reaching out we're streaming that into communities all over the over the country. We have our parallel economy work that we're doing helping people have hope. I never want to hear someone say I had to take the jab or I'd lose my job and then lose my house. We have alternatives. We can help people that way. We're involved in promoting silver

and alternative currency trying to help fund the parallel and the parallel and give dissidents and and people who want to remove themselves from from working for for the bad side the darkness they can come we can help them do that we're just getting ready to launch a program an initiative right now to help the any of these farmers that we find are depopulated and remove it because they need both support emotional support and and friendship and they need, they also need funding. So we're getting ready to help fund them, restock them, because the CFA is dragging it out too long.

And then we have, we have a parallel, you know, the petition going on the stakes are high campaign, talking about what is happening on all this traceability. And it's, it's, people don't realize how close we are right now to losing our proteins. So in Saskatchewan, for example, it's come out in the, it's been admitted to by the government.

They've made press releases about animal burial pits that will take in some species 75% of all the animals in Saskatchewan. It's the plan. And we have an in-writing from them. And the scale

and the scope, and that happens to all these depopulated animals. And so Did I hear that correct? Yes. An animal burial pit. Four of them. Where 75% of all the animals will go.

Yep. So what, yeah. What is the, what is the, um, their reasoning behind that? So if you want to, to see the whole thing laid out point by point, look at the, at my presentation at the NCI. This time I was a witness. And I lay out the whole plan. what we see going on from traceability from animal health emergencies traceability through building these pits then having so once they identify a disease then they build a vaccine bank so

they they are currently doing that they it's been funded and they're building a vaccine bank 30 million doses for foot and mouth disease in case foot and mouth disease comes then their hiring new tracking agents, RCMP officers who work in place of brand inspectors. So brand inspectors are still doing the good work they've always done. But now they need RCMP is who they're hiring to do it. Animal tracking experts to enforce federal and international regulations in the event of an animal health emergency, is their exact words.

to train RCMP in how to track people who aren't doing the traceability and train prosecutors in how to prosecute people who aren't putting the proper tags in or whatever will be. That's already done. People are already hired. I can identify the people and they're there. They're going after then building these burial pits. Once the burial pits are ready to operate,

which the contracts have already been issued, then they will have a crisis will take place. And then you vaccinate the animals. You kill the herd that has been identified. You vaccinate all the animals with the vaccines that they have in the 30 million dose vaccine bank, where some of the vaccines have been developed by the CFIA in Australia for foot and mouth disease. Once you do that, those animals are no longer eligible for export. and the whole process is sold on the aspect that we have to keep the borders open.

Their plan, it's called, the CFIA's plan is called Vaccinate to Kill. That's how they define it. It's a vaccinate to kill. Then all of these animals, so pigs, sheep, cattle, deer, goats, anything, clovenfoot, will get vaccinated in that quadrant to the province and then has to be killed, and they need a place to put them so they have the burial pits. And then we have a food protein deficiency. So they have just over the last year,

they've approved simulated proteins in order to take the place and both the milk proteins and the meat proteins, owned by, again, the same people that brought us the COVID vaccines. Why would they vaccinate? to then kill. Isn't that what you just said? Yeah. That's the plan.

They're going to have a quadrant where they're going to have this disease breakout, so they're going to rush in, they're going to vaccinate everything. Within two weeks. They vaccinated them. And then they're going to, after that, kill them all and stick them in a burial pit.

Yep. Needing to move, and like down to the detail of needing to move 65 cubic feet per hour, eight hours a day to keep up to the animals they think they'll be hauling in. That's the kind of detail. 155,000 tons per quarter section of dead animal carcasses. Where can people find that? Government website.

Look at my presentation of the NCI. I have the links and everything on that. I'll link it maybe folks in the show notes. That way you can go watch John's. It's shocking. It's shocking. I don't even know. I don't even, I don't know.

I grew up on a farm. And I'm thinking over the course of, like, my entire lifetime, what do you lose cattle to? Speaking specifically to cattle, folks. pneumonia Right? Every once in a while You get a broken leg

Something like that There's probably a couple other little things But nothing like that decimates a herd Yeah It's never happened I mean I'm not saying it won't happen I'm saying in my lifetime On the farm it's never happened

Yeah And not with not with the intent like this The intent It's intentional There's a plan It's right there on the You can look it up on the CFIA's website John let me be very clear

I don't I'm not Like, I live through COVID. Yeah, at this point. Anything's possible, isn't it? Well, it's not that anything's possible. It's like, there is truly evil people in this world that want us to eat bugs and they, and you talk about the artificial protein. Yeah.

I mean, you literally. That's one of the owners of the new simulated proteins is Tyson Foods. So Tyson Foods in the U.S. is shutting down. I think it was six chicken plants last year. And those six plants were, they're massive. They shut them down because their, their excuse was, um, that their clients or the customers are not economically able to handle the cost of chicken in the U.S., which is the cheapest meat there is down there.

And then they replace it with cricket plants. They start after that building cricket plants. You look at this and you go, this isn't a six-month plan, folks. This is a course of the next 20 years where you could go from eating, you know, I just think of Alberta beef, right? Yeah. or coming from Saskatchewan, Saskatchewan beef. Yeah.

And over the course of 20 years, all of a sudden you're looking around, and like, where in all the herds go? Yeah, yeah. Well, they're going into, you know, canola and peas and stuff, which is, I'm not against grain farming. I do it. I think we need it. It's a good thing.

But we can't change all of our proteins over. And then going back to Bill C-293, it says in Bill C-293, phase out industrial agriculture or industrial animal production, phase it out. It was part of Bill C-293 and promote alternative proteins. That's the four points. Antibiotics, regulate the industry, promote alternative proteins, and phase out industrial animal agriculture. Now, that was a law.

it did not pass. It died in the election. CFIA is continuing to push. All of their things that they're doing is exactly those four points whether or not there's legislation. So if you have a bunch of farmers' listens, okay?

Which I assume there will be. But let's just assume folks at this point, you're a farmer and you're like, holy crap, my neighbor should probably just hear what was just said. So you're speaking to a bunch of farmers now. What would you want them to know? We need you.

one Canada needs you or kids kids need you we need your what you produce we need your economic stimulation in the in the economy and we need you as men and women to stand up and say not on my watch not while I'm here will they get away with this and I think we can win this this is winnable and then fourth probably go talk talk to your producer organizations that are supposed to be your advocate and we know now that they turn over all of their press releases and the research and everything that they produce goes to the CFIA first and is adjusted and edited to match with the narrative of the government and comes back and then posted out as the advocacy of the producer. You need to go talk to those people and get them removed. If they're complicit in that, remove them.

So the advocate sends their stuff to the CFIA. Yes. So that it can be basically proofread. And changed. And changed. So then they can send it back and then put it out. Yes. The advocates for the industry and Sean are now you.

Not our check off dollars that we all pay into and comes back to our advocacy groups who are just regurgitating propaganda from the government. government. You are our advocates. The NCI is our advocate. That's that's where we're at. I don't know about you, but I know a bunch of farmers, right? And if they heard what you just said, I'd be like, I feel like a self of a we're going to be like, what? Maybe they're all paying attention. I don't feel like it, because I don't hear that at, you know, coffee row. I don't go sit down. Nobody knows. This just came out just in the last few weeks here. So again, I link to that conversation and interview is in my footnotes, in my presentation.

And in the NCI presentation, which would be good to draw some attention to not only yours, but everybody, you know, like my hat's off to everybody in the NCI. Because there has been a ton of great work going through there. It's an amazing organization. The team there is awesome. It's just the number of hours that each one was put into this. And if you had been there, you see people have, it's one thing to watch it on, and you need to watch what's on there, but you need to attend and see the professionalism and just feel,

like if you can volunteer and be on the team. I got a group of people who listen to show that volunteer. So I've heard lots of great stories. Trish was down there from here in town. Yeah, we had several from Lloyd. Yeah, good people. Well, I mean, anyone that's willing to lend a hand for something like that, my hat's off to you. You know, like I just, okay, back to you've made my hair stand up on end talking about livestock.

Parallel economies. You mentioned that maybe I should rewind that. You said you started in 2018. I wasn't ready for that. In my brain, I thought you were about to say 2021 or, you know, like, I don't know, middle of COVID. 2018. What set this off in 2018? I was living in the States for 15 years and prior to that.

In 2018, I came back. There's a story about that, but too long for here. You obviously don't know what a podcast is. You don't know how I talk. but yes and so I started touring around trying to find out where we're going to land and and continue on and as I start coming and visiting with people in Canada I'm like you don't know what's coming do you like shoot you're not ready so what were you doing in the states then like I'm curious now because when you say you have no idea what's coming what were you

what set you off what point do you go something is off here because I mean John I assume you weren't you know 14 rolling around going I know something's coming yeah I assume at some point you go something is off yeah so prior to go in the States I was you know teaching college and and then speaking in universities and stuff as guest lecturer on on agriculture and animal science and stuff and so I got I went to the states and then over time I was consulting down there as well and so I I got to meet with some of the people who make things happen and make the plans go around. So I worked with presidents and governors and from many countries, princes,

and on food security issues, on agricultural policies in various places, and got to meet with the bankers, like the big bankers, and find out what their plans are to with some of these uh for these plans and uh it's not good it's not good with the future and so we're seeing some of those things come come about now and so when we landed back up here i'm like hmm you know just chasing the biggest farm is not always the best policy sometimes we need to be developing our communities more and a very large farmer is very easy to control and when you control the very large farmers you control food and now we see where the system may be deeming even the large farmers difficult to control and just it's difficult to manage

you know like if you're from a livestock operation how are easy is it's easy to it to control you guys. And it's like herding cats. But if we eliminate your livestock, and if we change that to being, the proteins developed from a yeast in a tank, we can put big tank farms together and have two or three companies

that control North America. That's pretty simple to control the food. Once you control the food, you control the people. And that was what was being taught by some of the other consultants out there. that were bigger and more influential than us. But they were advising most of the large companies and the banks on the way forward. And the way forward was to control the food, to control the people,

and cut the population by 50%. And that's what you see coming. So when you go back to working with princes and all the things you rattled off, at some point you go, I don't like this. Yeah. No, no. This isn't, like in all of these little parts,

when you look at them individually, there's an aspect where you can argue the benefit of them. Like you can argue the benefit of animal traceability. Sure. I can, we can all argue that benefit. But then when you have ulterior motives and you take out the idealists who are trying to work for the betterment of the animal,

all of a sudden that becomes a control structure. And then there's the second part and the third part. Once you start seeing all these parts come together, then you're like, well, hold it. Each one could be beneficial in a small little way. But they're being rolled out together in such a way that the end conclusion is profit first for a certain few and control by the elites. and that's not what we're aiming for, I don't think,

in our communities and our families. I don't want more control and more slavery for my kids. That's not the path I'm on. So then you come, you land in, so you go through that and you come back in 2018, sorry, pull me back to my original question, and you're sitting there looking around, none of these people have any idea what is going on because you've been privy to conversations yeah that point the direction of you know I mean now that I look back and watch

different things people were screaming from the rooftop of like you know the 50% population reduction and how they were going to do that through multiple different ways and on and on but at the time you know I was I certainly wasn't listening to any of that and you think you think well yeah it's just talk you know there he is again you know crazy grandpa or crazy uncle and uh you hear these things but now now with a little bit of hindsight and and the ability i think the internet has really provided us with ability to look at numerous points of data really quickly and retain them and you know line them up and uh that might be why some of these legislations coming forward to to control it and you think about uh

talking about control. You talk about decentralized things, podcasts, and how decentralized. Everybody screams about how much money the CBC's getting. Full stop. I agree they should be defunded and everything else. But the funny thing is, is I was just looking at a Chris Sims report. I want to say it's like less than 3% of Canadians watch. So is that really a control of public?

Nope. I mean, don't get me wrong, my tax dollars and your tax dollars, everybody's tax dollars is going into this. But nobody's watching. So what are they doing with different? bills they're trying to corral the herd again because it is decentralized so when you talk about the internet it gave rise to the ability to do this yep and once people start talking well we can't have that i mean we saw you know like we all live through covid and you could have went you could think i'm completely out of my mind for what i saw in covid but one of the things was the elimination

of allowing people to get together it's a pretty strange thing so when you talk about controlling the food you control the people well you control the the discussion as another one of the one way of just eliminating a whole bunch of things and we're seeing that playing out. And has it hit yet? But we can see where it's going. But this is just the beginning. Where does it go in 10 years? Not anywhere good.

Right. Right. Yeah. We're on the cusp. There are a lot of things happening that people don't know. It's kept from us. But once we can bring them forward and you start to see this, like the thousands of animals.

Like, we're talking in the chicken flocks, it's millions and millions of birds have been killed. In cattle, it's thousands and thousands. And nobody knows. It's all quiet and all hushed. And the people are afraid to speak up because they won't get compensation. And, you know, that's the insinuation or the impression they receive. If you push back, there might be a pushback from the government and it won't be good. Well, I mean, we just saw the ostriches.

Yeah. I mean, we saw how that all went down. Yeah. And there was a ton of international coverage of that, let alone Canadian coverage of it, right? Yeah. So you can see that the message has been sent. Yeah. Now, I'm going to come back to it again.

So 2018, you start. And what was the goal back then? Well, at first one was training people. And we, so, you know, I think back. to that time and some of our discussions well you know if we have to get to the point where there is potentially separation in the future who do we want to be our leaders do we have leaders of a quality that would deserve to lead us the answer was no you think back in 2018 2019 who would be president of western Canada probably a little guy sitting in edmonton um jason kison

Kenny, who turned on all of us. And that would have been president and should not be in that type of position. I don't know that we have, it's hard. I don't want to malign anybody, but we didn't have people that were resistant to corruption. They weren't resistant to elitism. And they didn't, you know, do people understand how to serve? I think the more leadership is standing in front of a crowd and being cheered to most of these people, where really a true leader should be able to serve the people.

And I don't see that. So we started out in leadership development. We said we looked at our churches and churches. families and communities and said, well, you know, the men aren't standing up and protecting their families like they should. They aren't. So we started working on that. And from there, they were kind of growing into community leaders all over the country. And it's been quite, quite a good experience actually we're we've probably gone through now five generations of of people who have gone through the weekly training i know some of you know some of them and

it's enabled them and encouraged and equip them for for their current positions and future positions that they have in leadership that was our first um we started community developing early on, as soon as as soon as everybody was told that they shouldn't gather and that they shouldn't, you know, speak to each other and stuff, we went the other direction. We, you know, potential fines and everything, who cared? And we started doing that.

Like a lot, we weren't unique in that at all. I think that we were maybe a little more intentional in what does this actually do in our community and why is it important? It wasn't just getting together to have a good time and be a little rebellious. There was an intentionalality to it that we kept going. Well, you had, forgive me for interrupting,

but like one of the things about starting in 2018 is by the time COVID hits, you already have some intentionality to what you're doing. Yep. So you see it and you're like, this doesn't make any sense. So we're going to start doing this immediately. Yep. And that gave a direction.

One of the first meetings I was in, in an undisclosed location around Lloyd Minster, one of the things we did was we put up a whiteboard and we're like, what do we do? And it was kind of like throw things at the wall and see what sticks because nobody knew what to do. And one of the things, I don't know if I'm right in this, but I've always thought since COVID ended, ended. If they tried that same thing again, it wouldn't work because on here. humans because we've all been through it. It's like we don't need to go back to throwing things on the wall. It's like what's going to work?

Yeah. Like do not comply. Full stop. Full stop. Right there. Move on. Let's just move on. And that probably translates to all these problems.

Yeah. But when it's a new problem like the farmers. Yep. It's like how many people even get what's going on? Yeah. Right. Well, and, you know, in these farmers right now, there are lots of farmers who are on our side.

They've been depopopulated. and now they're waiting on a check to be able to start their life again. They've been out there a year without compensation, which again looks after three calf crops. And the one that year, the past year, and the one that will happen, all of those are destroyed, three years of income. And they're sitting there waiting for our government to figure out a number that they're going to give them. and the government wants it to be as low as possible. And the other thing that really should bother people is these dangerous animals that had to all be killed,

they went into the food chain. The government sent it into the food chain. And there was compensation from that. Somebody got a check. But it's like pennies, pennies. It's inconsistent. And when we have these people, now they're afraid to speak because it might injure their their compensation.

Well, you can, I mean, you're sitting there and you're broke. You've lost your livelihood and you're sitting there going, I just need to put, I just need the jack. Yeah. Right. So you can, you can like that. And every day comes down the number that you would have settled for reduces. It's the same control structure, right?

What happened in the middle of COVID? Yeah. When people weren't, uh, uh, um, the uptake was slowing. Mm-hmm. What did they do? they went to all the businesses and then some of the biggest employers started saying listen

you don't play ball you're out of a job and a lot of people felt that right that was a very very uncomfortable time of life of when they come so when you look at the farmers it's a different it's you know it rhymes they say history doesn't repeat it rhymes

man doesn't that just rhyme right they're doing a similar thing so what how that's probably then tells us exactly where we should be and we need to be working at systems that are outside their control that you know buying locally buying from somebody that you know getting getting that type of your food stuff from through that network rather than through the existing network of people who told their employees they had to to attempt you know attempt suicide in effect because they knew they all knew what would

happened when they did it this was not and see i we've we've established that they knew what would happen and so you work and you buy your food from somebody that that does that to their employees and then we go buy our food you know it's process and comes from these big corporations that are are in bed with the government and they are are shutting down chicken plants and putting in cricket plants and and investing into yeast plants to control the food system for that day when they pull the plug and start filling animal burial pits. Those companies will make a lot of money. We need to have our systems set up to not be hooked into that.

You know, a good... This never aired on the podcast, folks. Although it's literally from the Bible. but I interviewed, I did a legacy interview, interviewed a married couple. And I was talking, asking him about, you know, the dry years of the 90s and how he survived that. And he said, oh, in the good years, you always prepare for the bad. And when you sit here and you're having this conversation and you're looking at all the things we've been talking about, it's like, so what do you do?

Well, you don't sit on your hands and do nothing. Yep. You prepare. And you make those connections of where you're going to get your food from, et cetera, et cetera. I think that's what you're talking about. Yeah, get all those connections. get this man he's pointing to the silver coin if you didn't see that i appreciate you uh stop it in is there anything else you know i i your lovely wife is sitting out in the car and i'm like well how long

do we go for before you know and the thing is is the door's locked so you can't even get up to pound on it and say it's time to go hon um is there anything else you want to make sure people know about before i let you out of here no um there will be more hearings at the national Citizens Quarry, go take a look at National Citizensquiry.cair.ca. And see what's going on and take a look at some of the testimony that's gone through there.

If you want to get involved in parallel systems or find out how to help your local farmers and stuff, go to livingstreams.ca. And get it, keep listening to the real advocates of the people in this country as people

like you, Sean. Well, I appreciate that. I don't know. Some days, I I'm chasing my own tail, honestly, but I'm glad that, forgive me. I don't even know who to give credit to. Somebody text me. So text me again because I listen to my audience a ton, right? And they said, have you ever had drawn on? I'm like, I actually know.

You know, like, as odd as that is, I'm like, it's been in the periphery. Gladly have you. And then one text, and I mean, what has it been? Like, less than 48 hours, and all of a sudden you're standing here. Yeah, I was coming through the country. Yeah, it was perfect timing. So I appreciate you coming in and doing this and giving me some time and we'll be paying attention. And either way, thanks again.

Yep, thanks, Sean.