Shaun Newman Podcast - #102 - Brothers Roundtable 5

Episode Date: August 5, 2020

I may say roundtable #4...but don't mind me it was the scotch talking. We discuss: -NHL Playoffs -McDavid -Salary Cap -24 team format? Like/Dislike -3 million dollar 50/50 - Baseball??? will they finish the season - Basketball vs Hockey vs Baseball Let me know what you think     Text me! 587-217-8500

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The Golden Child, the Birdman, the engineer, the big man. So buckle up. Here we go. Welcome to the Sean Newman podcast for Brothers Roundtable number four. I've been getting hassled since the beginning of sitting down here tonight because I was not prepared. supposedly, but I'm joined tonight by my three brothers. If you have missed the previous three, I suggest you go back and probably lose a couple hours of your life, but fun nonetheless. I'm joined by Dustin Newman, my second oldest brother.

That's me. My oldest brother, Jason Newman. Yes, sir. And the birdman himself has graced us with his presence, Harley Newman. So what we're going to do here tonight is we're going to, well, we're going to have a little bit of fun, we're going to banter. We're hopefully not going to throw the scum. touch bottle at each other, but I wouldn't put it past this just yet. So let's start with hockey, as we're all avid hockey fans.

Playoffs have been just started August 1st. Are you a fan of August hockey? No. Why not? Well, no, because I like being at the lake. Can't you be at the lake and put a TV on the deck? It just doesn't feel right. I mean, if you've got a Canada Cup maybe or something that's unique,

but the playoffs, you like it as a continuation. I understand why they did it this year. I'm not mad at anybody. I just would prefer. I like the, I'd prefer to be done by June. I'd like the April, May to be playoffs and Stanley Cup chant. Crown and May. So is there an asterisk then for you?

No, no, asterix, because they're doing it how they want to do it. But it's just no. If someone said, hey, let's do this every year, not for me. Well, they're not going to do it every year. You can do it every year. Well, you never know. If they ran 12 months a year, isn't there more revenue? Hopefully Gary Betman isn't listening to the SNP.

You never know. It's, well, there hasn't been much on TV for the most part, so I don't mind having it on. I'm not a huge fan of, you know, being 30 degrees and watching TV, but at the same time, I'm cooking supper and I have the game on. Yeah, sure. Hasn't it been cool, though, to like, it's 10 in the morning, you just flick on the TV and there's hockey? You're like, oh, damn. Kind of reminds you World Juniors a little bit. It does, yeah.

And we're going to have it like this for what? like another two weeks at least. For sure. Getting home at lunchtime and there's a game on. You flick it on, you're like, what the heck? Oh, right. Do you even leave for lunch? Well, no, I walked in from the deck to the kitchen table and turned it on.

But yeah, I came in from lunchtime. I was even sure if Dustin works anymore. But I mean, you get the oilers in an early game, which is kind of nice. You get the Leafs in an early game, which is kind of nice. Wow, who am I kidding? The Leafs always play at great times. Even Braden Holpey was talking about. him the Leafs may be having their own dressing room and everybody hating them for it so right i don't

know i you don't uh nobody's sitting here going i'm sitting in the pool i'm sitting at the lake i got the deck on i got the tea how many people have been bringing their tv screens and putting them outside i understand it and i love it for this year i i love it for this year but on a go-for basis i no i enjoy my summer to be my summer and there's stuff i mean person wants to go to the lake, the person wants to be out on the boat, they want to go traveling. I mean, you're just in Banff, Kelowna, wherever, right? You're trying to enjoy the heat, right? We get so much time locked up inside.

Shouldn't you be isolating Harals? Yes. Trying to spend so much, you spend all winter cooped up, right, to now spend your summer inside the house. I don't like it. But it is kind of cool as a one-off. because I'm sure in years to come, everybody's going to be talking,

where were you, kind of throughout this, and it's going to be an interesting story for the kids. This year will be remembered. That's for damn sure. The weird thing for me is I feel a little bit like a hypocrite because I'm not a big fan of the NHL on, but I miss Noonar Hockey.

And I'm sure all the guys miss it, and, you know, he'd play skate two or three times a week all summer, but not the NHL. Well, it is the NHL, New NAR Hockey's got to be coming back, doesn't it? I actually talked to a lady from the city the other day, and she said that the regulations are going to come out where groups of 50

can do activities together as long as no one from that group does a different activity with another group of 50. How are they going to monitor? How in the hell are they going to monitor that? Sam, you're going to have to pick which team you're going to be playing on, bud. Well, how about the oilers then in the playoffs, right? We got the playoffs going. Oilers get absolutely, they didn't look very good in game one.

game two that come back. McDavid is on an absolute different level and kind of silences everybody. Everybody was like all the oilers. For about the first ten minutes. Yeah, but. Yeah, but still, he comes out. I mean, that second goal was just a chart for the first ten minutes.

He only scored a hat trick. I'm sorry, he only had a hat trick. He's only got like six points in two games. Only one of the nicest goals of the playoffs thus far. Yes, I agree. Right. And then he sits on the bench for the entire section. Well, could you imagine if McDavid showed up for full 60 minutes and scored 12 goals, Sean?

That's what I'm saying. In saying that, dry saddle on the same hand hasn't really showed up yet. It'll be really interesting. You know, we've seen McDavid all of a sudden kind of show his stuff. I'm really excited to see dry saddle pull out of his funk here. And not saying it's a funk even because he's got three points right now, I think, which makes them tied for, I don't know, sixth in the least. league, I think, for scoring in playoffs, which were only two games in. But, I mean, you know,

people are harping on dry saddle because he hasn't really done anything. And yet here he sits with three points and tied for six in the league. I think you were just harping on him, Charles. Yeah. So were you just arguing with yourself? Yes, I was. I will say this about the Oilers is that after being off for so long, they've looked pretty darn good. And I think they could actually go a long ways for one major reason, and that is that McDavid's actually healthy. He played last year with a knee injury that he recovered from, and I don't think he was 100% the whole year. And having a little bit of time off, I think he's actually 100%. He's actually at the peak of his point scoring, of probably his career. He's right around the age where

Gretzky hit his highest point totals. Crosby hit his highest point totals. And you watch him the first couple of games. He's unreal. I think that Oilers could go deep. if they start changing around their defense, I think, because I think someone like Jones needs to be in the lineup in place of someone like Russell. Thank you. Everybody last game is praising the Oilers for how many shots are blocked. I haven't coached enough hockey, but you just tell me.

Did anybody see Russell trying to kick out the pad save in front of Koskin and I'm going? All I can hear right there when I was watching that is Don Cherry going, get out of the way. Let the go out of the same. It was just a straight shot. He was the only guy in front of him, tries to do the kickpad save, ends up deflecting it in his own net. Come on, no, we're talking about Russell like nobody else was blocking shots on team.

First of all, they took three straight penalties in a row, and that penalty kill group as a whole, probably blocked about eight or ten shots. It wasn't just Russell. I understand. He got caught on a bad one where it hit, and it hit the top, and it went in the net and the whole bit. Russell is known for blocking shots. That is his claim to fame. I'm not knocking him for being a guy willing to just get dirty. in the paint and drop down and block anything, anywhere, anytime.

But if that's all you're good at, maybe it's time to step aside. That's all he's good at now. He's not a great hockey player anymore, and Jones is a much better hockey player and needs to be in the lineup. Any idea how many minutes Chris Russell has been averaging? Oh, God, you're about to tell me. How many? Four?

12 minutes, 50 seconds. And that's 12 minutes and 50 seconds that Jones should be in the lineup. If we lose the cup because of Russell at 12 minutes. That's all penalty. Well, that's it. Oh, that's got to be a lot of penalty killing. What I found, what I found interesting in doing a little bit of, in doing a little bit of research for this,

does anybody know who their top two D men are for time on ice? Nurse has to be number one. Clef bomb. I say clep bomb. Dust. Bear's got to be out there too. Nurse is number one at 25 and a half minutes. Boom.

Thank you. Ethan Bear is number two on the team at 24 minutes. McDavid at 2320. Nuge at 22. 41, cleft bomb at 22 and a half. Larson's at 17. Larson hasn't looked great either. He's a stay-at-home D-Mah.

I would honestly say that I think Jones is better than Larson at this point. I don't know. I mean, there comes to a certain place, though, too, where guys have certain trust and the guy's a, you know, a veteran. Coach is like veteran defenseman. I get it. You don't want a guy panicking out there. And Larson's pretty strong and tough.

And in the playoffs, it gets a little tougher out there. The guy I want to mention is, is everybody talks about Drysiddle now in a slump because they move Nuge in confidence. So is the Nuge actually the key? If he's with Drysidl, he leads a league in scoring. If he's with McDavid, he's scoring three goals a game, maybe the Nuge is actually the guy. Well, which brings up an interesting... Who picked Nuge? Who picked Nuge in the first round of Don's Cup, boys?

Eh? Just saying. Yeah, Nuge made McDavid score that second goal of the game last game. Hey, if McDavid doesn't get the puck on the way there, he doesn't get the... chance to score the goal. Any idea who the top scorers in the league are right now in the playoffs? I'm like David and Nugent Hopkins. Both tied with six. So you know who's second is that what's his name? I'm going to brutalize his name now. Caballick, Kublich. Kublich from Chicago. He had five in one game and none in the next. Yeah. It's on pace for two and a half a game.

No. You kind of remind me of Don Cherry. They're brutalizing the name like that. I just, I just, I didn't remember. I knew this. I knew I was close. Cooper off. It says right here on the suitcase. Sam's the night. I was close.

It was way off. So do the oil is beat Chicago? Yes. Yes. That was pretty independent. Yeah, I think Koskin is going to outplay Crawford. And I think McDavid wants it bad enough. That's why he's upset about the three hats going on the ice.

I still can't believe that Chicago got rid of Lennar. It kind of, you know, they had a one-two tandem there. I don't know if a little bit of a little bit of a little. But Harles, they didn't trade them away when they didn't think they were going to make the playoffs. Yeah. Got to remember COVID hit. I mean, it's no different than the Rangers' traded away Brady's ski. Sky?

Ski? Here I am. Trouble with names again. Right? And then in the very first shift of that Carolina Rangers game, it was awesome. He absolutely runs over Jesper fast. Runs him over. And that just started the whole series Carolina's up to nothing.

The only thing I was going to say, So is, Corey Crawford, to me, has felt like he's had his time, and I think his time has passed. Lennar still is in the midst of it. And so I think you're on the downslope. What you're saying is they traded the wrong goal. I think they traded the wrong goalie. Yeah, but Lennar was at UFA. And so they weren't going to resign him.

And that's why they tried. But why weren't they going to resign him? Because he was going to want too much money in that they didn't figure he was their guy. So they wanted to get some good assets back. It was management based on they weren't going to make the playoffs. Not that COVID's going to hit, and all of a sudden, we're playing the Oilers, and Harley's going to be on SMP going, why did you trade the wrong goalie? So I'm jumping ahead a couple questions, but should they keep this playoff format?

No. Why not? Hear me on. Hear me on. Okay? You keep 24 teams in, you're going to have 32 in a year. So now eight teams don't make it. Instead of having an 82 game season, you already – whoa, whoa, whoa.

I'm trying – Is this the same guy that it was talking about March Madden's style, and he wanted it that way? Anyways, carry on. That would have been fun. You would have been pulling the TV out on the beach if that was the case. I would have been watching. Uh-huh. Thank you.

Anyways, everybody talks about 82 games too long, right? It's just too long. What if you shortened it to a 65 game schedule? 72. 10 extra games disappear. You add in this qualifying round. Top eight teams get a buy. And what is wrong with it?

Why is it anybody, is it just because of history and tradition? Why doesn't everybody just make the playoffs that? Well, no, because that's ridiculous, dust. It has the playoffs? Why do we even play the regular season for? No, because you want to get there, but we're going to have 32 teams in this. All of a sudden, three cores of the team. I know, but that's, but the, but the top eight, the top eight,

the top eight don't have to play that. Can you imagine the benefit to be in the top four of each division where the first round, you don't have to play it, you get all your healthy bodies back, you get to rest a little bit, and them other teams got to go at it for a best of five. They roll in, it's like going uphill. Hey, it's all exciting for the fans. I'm excited right now. There's no way they're shortening in the regular season.

Why not? They're pushing the games. Why not? The playoffs get more buzz anyway. And more money for the owner. That's right. Shorter game, shorter season.

Because you're going to have eight teams that have 10 less regular season games. Yeah, and they're dog shit anyways. And nobody's going to watch them. Think anybody's watching the Ottawa San? Nobody's watching Buffalo. That's why Echo's so upset. So it's a little bit interesting because this year, this year most teams averaged

between 69 to 71 games this year. So this year would actually be very close. So on the east, if you took the top 12 teams, Montreal got in at 71. Every other team, though, you're at 79, 78, 81, 81, 80, 81. So, I mean, you're really, you've got a log jam there anyways. There's a divide.

The bottom team suck. And they don't, they're not a part of it. it for so long anyways. And now you're knocking off some teams. We always see the... On the west, on the west, you're at 72, 74, 77, 80, 79, 78, 78, 83, 82. Shut off. Thanks for your input.

Thanks for sticking around them, mom. I don't... I understand what Harald's is saying. And you know what? Maybe it's not 24. But maybe... I didn't turn off then. Maybe it's the wild card.

Maybe it's two wild card... Wildcard spots in each side. So instead the two teams making it, there's four. They play a best of three to take the two wild card spots. I like that format better where it's kind of like the MLB that way, right? You've got a play-in scenario happening where you've got two spots, four teams playing for it. They get in and then you carry on with the regular playoffs. I like that idea.

I'm just saying nobody likes 82 games. You show me one person. None of the players like 82 games. Not a single soul likes 82 games, except the owners because it's money. So how do you get around that? More teams make the playoffs. The bottom teams aren't making any money anyways. Where do you make your most money?

In the playoffs. The Oilers, even when they were losing, still had lots of fans in the stands. Yeah, we'll make the playoffs. How many years would they have made the playoffs or would they have? They probably would have missed all 10. There have only a couple wild cards there. I think there was a couple wild cards. How about the province of Alberta or maybe just the oiler faithful?

How about $3 million for a 50-50 the other night? Pretty impressive. You think how much of a chance do you have to become an instant millionaire off the Oilers lottery for 20 bucks than you do trying to win the lotto max? I got to be interested to see what the percentages are there because you've got a really high chance in reality of winning that million dollars. And here's the thing. That was game two.

as they go deeper and every game they get to do it, that number is going to go. I'm just not sure how they do it. How bored is everybody in Alberta right now? Like just bored other skulls. The casinos have been closed, nothing on TV. Well, just think, hey, there's a 50-50 for the Oilers game. Everyone piles of their money.

Well, it's no risk because you're just using the government's money anyways. Oh, that's true. True. It's just true no-box anyhow. I'll throw it in. That's right. I'm going to buy two tickets next game. Yeah.

Unless Harley's buying, then, yeah, everybody, Miles will just pile on here. See, that was the key. So Harley said he talked about buying. And so we all piled on and said, yeah, get us a ticket, or all we'll all split. So then Harley got the ticket. Now we all owe him $15. So we just said, hey, we'll pay you next time once we owe you that one up. That's right.

Makes sense to me. Double or nothing. When go to court, nobody's paid me. See you all later. What did you think of McDavid's comment about the hatrick? The hat's coming up. Okay, so back when I was in university, I go to an Euler playoff game

and buy a foam puckhead. Why? Probably because I was drunk. Could I afford it? No, I was in university. So I probably couldn't afford the thing. But anyhow, for some reason, me and a couple buddies, we all bought big foam puckheads.

We go to the game. Sure enough, Bill Garon scores a hat trick. So what do we do? I didn't really want to throw it because I couldn't afford it in the first place, Even though I didn't like it, I was never going to wear it again, I pick it up and chuck it. Now, I'm in the upper deck, which means the foam puck is not actually going to hit the ice, but someone's going to pick it up and keep on chucking it down, right?

The difference between that and having someone who works at the arena go to the hat stand, pick up a couple hats and chuck them on the ice is night and day. I totally agree with them. They shouldn't be throwing hats on the ice because it means nothing. when you've got a student who's put 20 bucks that should have went to beer, throw his phone puck head down from the upper deck and someone threw it again and threw it again until it got to the ice, that means something.

But that might have saved you. That's not having them a couple extra beer might have saved you an ambulance ride. It's possible. It's possible. I understand what they're trying to do. They're trying to make it as comfortable for the players as possible in an uncomfortable situation with no fans there. But I don't like it either.

I didn't think it was that big a deal. It's a little cheesy. I don't know. I didn't think it was that big a deal. I mean, the camera's on it. It's all for fun. She's having fun with, really, this is what we're talking about?

The series is tied at one. We're grinding through and we even have a comment for it. I mean, who cares? She's having fun. The cameras on her, you know, carry on. When they go back to the hotel later and all the players are all seeing each other, how much ribbon do you think McDavid's getting from all the guys from... None.

Nobody cares. I would say this. He should have said, you know what? Good on the lady for throwing him out. Obviously it meant something for her and the organization. No, she got a told, dude. Maybe she did, maybe she didn't. She was having fun with it.

He got a hat trick. Who cares? Everybody in all of Canada knows you get a hat on the ice when you get a hat trick. Just because you didn't get very many hat tricks. Just drop. Drop the fucking puck. Drop the puck. That you don't have to hate on someone else.

Taylor Hall didn't get a... I was going to say how many hat tricks says Taylor Hall got it. I don't know. Not in the playoffs. You know, well, that's because he doesn't barely get there. I'm surprised Dustin didn't take Taylor Hall in the draft. No, but we got him for Dad. Do you remember what happened there?

I'm going to tell the story right now. So, Dad didn't make the draft. Wait, wait, wait, back up. Sorry. Tell the listeners what the Dawn's Cup is, so they don't know. Okay, so the Don's Cup is our hockey draft that we have family and friends. We've been doing since 06. There's an actual trophy.

It's based on pride, not on money. And just to let you know, all four Newman brothers here around the table, have all won it amongst a few others. The legend himself, Mike Crawford, has not. Has not. Not. And he's been in it almost every year. And Daddy O is another one that's battling hard, but he didn't make it this year.

And so, you know, a couple three of us were tasked with drafting his team. So he had a couple of Nashville guys to start. And we got going, he got some Nashville and some St. Louis, and we're feeling pretty good for him. But then we thought it would be, you know, Dad would really like Taylor Hall. And he's sitting there in the sixth round. Like, I couldn't believe nobody had taken him. So we'd take Taylor Hall thinking he'd really think it's cool. Of course, then you take Taylor Hall.

Another guy says, well, he might as well, he'll grab Castle and then Ekman Larson and, hey, grab the goalie. Next thing, he's got four Nashville and four Arizona. And then we get looking, well, they play each other in the first round, which if you've done any drafts is not necessarily the way to go about it. So then we did a couple of quick maneuvers, a couple trades. We got him some Columbus and he's Columbus, Arizona. So that's who he's cheering for this year. Hey, Columbus is doing pretty good. Well, actually, I guess they're tied at one.

They're tied of one. Actually, so is Arizona, aren't they? Yeah. Yeah. Good draft, Daddy. I hope he wins because he'll be an asterisk there. One of his best drafts. And Croft still wouldn't have won.

Poor Crawford. You know, Crawford, if you're listening, which you probably are, one of these days will have to have you come sit in here. I'm sure he's just smashing the dash right now, like just pissed off. The legend. It'd be lovely to rib him to his face on one of these podcasts. The Golden Child, the Birdman, the engine. engineer, the big man, and the legend.

Oh, man. Okay. How about Shifley's hit? Let's go to, let's talk a little different than the Oilers. Shifley gets hit there, game one. Everybody, now, I got to be honest, I am not a big Kachak fan. I think he is good at what he does, but he plays against our team all the time. It drives me nuts. but am I wrong in thinking he didn't do anything there or did I miss something did the range of Matt Cook's hit yes it did it's kind of similar wasn't it yeah something kind of thing was it dirty I don't know I don't know I mean he's going after Shifley to finish his hit Shifley the last minute peels off Kach's gonna hit the boards like did he really mean to pick a skate up because he's gonna cut his calf or his

tendon like that seems far-fashioned that's pretty pretty talented to be able to do that all in one moment. Did Matt Cook mean to do it? I don't know. No. I don't think so. Those two are kind of similar players, aren't they? If you look at it at full speed, it doesn't look like there was any intention there.

It's only when you slow it down and then you're going, well, maybe. So that's why Paul Marines comes out and says it because he's got to say something. Right? Yeah. But how much of it is just the reputation that you carry, right? Well, no, if it was Johnny hockey going into the corner with him, nobody would have thought a second about it. But of course, it has to be Kachukh.

No, no, but here's the thing. Okay, so if you're a certain type of hockey player, you're going in to hit the guy, the guy kind of slips you a little bit. You don't keep going after him is what I'm kind of thinking of, or kind of saying you don't try and, you know, cream them essentially or go as hard as you can. There's certain players that walk that line,

and Matt Cook and Kachuk are two of them, and they have very similar hits where they do kind of similar things to those guys. Now, I'm not, you know, I don't think it's malicious, but it's kind of the way they play, isn't it? You know what? What I really loved, and people debate this now a lot as to whether or not fighting needs to be there or not. But one thing I loved about after that, what ends up happening, Wheeler comes on the ice and says to Chuck, going as soon as they drop the puck way they go right and to chuck had no qualms about it and the captain wheeler goes right after it was cassian though he did yes but he did still go

yeah he did still go it feels like i'll give him i'll give him credit for that because you know what not everybody is going to do that and at least he's doing it it feels like it happens to them players like chuck and cook like we're talking amongst others that have happened in the past because they are it doesn't happen to johnny goodrope because even if he's going after Shifley there and he's going to finish his check, if Shifley moves, Johnny just turns and peels off.

So it continually happens them type of players because of how they are. They don't peel off. And so they are cutting people with their skates. They are catching knees. They're catching people. Cadre is another one up there. On a bad, awkward hit.

Why? Because they do not let up at the same time as, you know, there's a lot of coaches out there that are going, hey, it's a playoffs. You're finishing your check. every time because this is a grind and every time it helps. Well, and they always catch a little piece of the guy because they never let up.

Is that it? That's right. They never let up. They never peel off. Johnny Goddrault is peeling off every time. Even if the guy slips by most of the way, they're always catching a piece of that guy. No matter what, right?

Because it always helps. You might ding his ankle. And I'm not being critical of them and I'm not saying he should have been suspended. All I'm saying is those players always have something like that happen because no matter what, they're going to catch a piece of a guy. Right. So then if you go back to 20 years ago or 30 years ago, whatever it's been now, would he continue to go after Shifley there if Marty McSorley's on the ice?

And Marty McSorley doesn't get, and Marty McSorley just grabs them. And he's a crap out. Do you know what I mean? Did that happen as much 30 years ago? And probably the older guys would say, oh, yeah, it happened all the time. Because I think there was always them certain type of players. There was the Kenny Lindemans, right? There was the East of Teakins.

There was them different guys. I think they've always been around. Yes. But now you can do it where you, are you scared of fighting Blake Wheeler as you are as Marty McSorley? No. You're doing it, right? And it shows face and everything's good.

And some of those guys, no matter what, even if they're going to get beaten into a pulp, know that their place in the league is to do those kind of things anyhow. Right. And they're still going to do it. Sean Avery. Yeah, absolutely. Does anybody like Sean Avery, though?

No. Even his parents don't like him. But I'm not even sure if he likes himself. But he played in the show for a while. Let's go to McDavid. Back to poor old McDavid. We've been on him pretty hard here. But I did have a question coming from Mr. Ryan Hunt.

I played hockey with him in college. He's a Detroit Red Wings fan. And he says, what percentage amount of reduction in offense would you allow for McDavid to become a superior defensive player? Of course, we all know this as the Stevie Y theory. Scotty Bowman talks to Stevie Y. Steve, he's the high-flying score, gets him to focus more on the defensive end of the game. He goes from being a hundred-point guy to what, 80-85 point guy?

85. And they win cups. Right. So what percentage of a reduction would you take? I would take 20%. And everybody says, well, that seems high. Well, it doesn't. Not really.

If you actually figure it out, on 100 points, which I think is very doable for McDavid, We're talking about that's an 80-point season. How many guys in the league get 80 points? There's still very few. And if you could have a defensive guy that still puts up 80 points and now you're more defensively responsible, are you winning cups? Well, you got a better chance, I would say. I have a totally different take on this because I look at a player's progression

and it happens naturally. When you're young and you're high-flying, you go and get points because you can't. and you're at your physical peak, like I was talking about before, with Grexky and those players, early in their careers, they could rack up tons of points. And McDavid's going to do the same. What happens as you get older is you get a little bit smarter, and naturally you start playing better defense,

and I think of someone like Crosby, he's got way better defensively over time. He's still good offensively, but he's not near the peak where he was offensively. Now, is that because he's playing better defense? Yeah, maybe, or is it because he's just not a physical special. estimate as he was 10 years ago. And I go, McDavid is going to come down from his peak, which is going to probably be in the next year or two. Can they win a cup in the next year or two? I actually think they can win the cup this year if things go right for them. He's playing that well right now. And eventually it'll start to taper down and he'll play better defense no matter what. I don't

think he's a defensive liability right now at all. And I think he gets better over time. But I don't think consciously he actually needs to bring down his offense to improve his defense. I looked into this a little bit because I was on the side of Harley, and I thought I would do a little research on it. But what I found was, is Steve Eisenman is actually the only player that shows up where his point total dropped from 130, 68 goals and 130. And like three years later, he had 85 points and 81 games, and they won their first cup. So everybody goes, oh, look at Scotty Bowman, look at Steve Iserman.

What a team guy, quit getting the points, right? Joe Sackick's first year, they won the cup, was his highest post. total ever. He had 120. That was his highest point total of his whole career is when they won the cup. And he didn't win the cup until 96 and he started in the NHL at 88. Wayne Grexky was absolutely pouring in the points when they won their cups. That wasn't that had he didn't come down defensively or anything like that. He absolutely poured in the points and a little side stat on on Grexky his last year in the NHL was the only year he didn't average at least a point per game.

Which is unbelievable. But I looked up Lemieux. Lemieux, his second cup, had 160 points and 60 games. If you pro-rate that, that's almost 219 points, which would have broke Gretzky's record on his second year he won the cup. So I went back a little farther. Bobby Orr? No, one of his top years, right through their second cup is when he had 95 points,

which I think was his second highest total. How about Gordy Howell? No, he was scoring big-time goals. I think his second best year was a second best year was, on his second or third cup. And so I go, so this whole thing of the Steve Eiserman, it sounds great, right? It sounds great as a team guy and it's all about defense and everything. Now, to be fair to Stevie a little bit, Detroit, when they were winning their cups,

we're going through that defensive trap, big guy, hook and hold era. So maybe that's what he needed to do to win cups in that era because you had the New Jersey Devils and all that kind of style. But you look at a lot of the other stars. I mean, Ovechkin's been scoring 50 goals. He never stopped. He just goes and pounds the puck and they won a cup. And he's in his 30s before that happens.

But you can't really say that he bought in any more defensively. He's pretty much the same player. Pretty much same player. Here's the thing where I always, where I go with it is it's always the, you look at the difference between the goals you score versus the goals you let in. And you go, oh, if only I scored 20% less goals and was better defensively, that's a huge uptick in how much better. defensively you have to play. So if you can score, you know, 120 points in a season and you go down to

85, like that's a big drop off. And you got to make up those goals by letting in less, which is you can you can maybe do it, but it's very, very tough to do. If you can, McDavid right now is scoring three points a game, getting three goals last game, like you keep that up. Who can stop that? And you've seen the way he's playing. What I mean is like defensively, how do you stop that? And you might get a goal on once in a while, but if he's putting in, if he's putting the puck in every game, like, that's tough. Well, just for argument's sake, and let's pick on, let's pick on the Oilers for a sec. So if they're going to win the cup this year, is it McDavid playing more defensive,

or is it, for example, there's third line in that second game with Shahan, Cassian, who's with them too? And, uh, G. G.J.R. Care? No, it was Anthony Cue. Oh, yeah, that's right. That's right. What happens if them guys turn into a shutdown line and they're shutting down the other team's top line?

Well, that's what they did. And you look at all them teams. I don't care if you're looking back to the Oilers. They had Mac Tea. You look at Detroit, had Maltee and Draper. You know, all them teams had that third line, absolutely, even the Ducks when they won that year. They had them guys that come in,

and they absolutely shut down the other team's top lines. Well, and I look at the Oilers this year. The reason why I think they actually have a shot at winning this year is because you have McDavid on one line and dry saddle on another. And they're two of the top five players in the game. And you know who else won cups with those? with two of the top players in the game when they're at the top of their game

was the Pittsburgh Penguins. When you've got two massive offensive powerhouses running your top two lines, as long as your bottom lines are even, or close to even, and your defense isn't awful, and the Oilers defense is actually okay,

and your goaltender's okay, and Koskenen looks like he's okay, you can actually make a deep run. It's kind of interesting now bringing up this point like you have, Jay, because when I look, look back actually and I think back of the Buffalo Sabres when they were had no business being in the finals back in 99 I want to say and that is actually correct that's the skate in the crease by

brett hall dom Dominicassick was the only reason why they should have ever been there but michael pecker actually for whatever reason I always think of defensive specialists so when dust is talking about guys that, you know, they always took care of their end. They were always on the penalty kill. They were those defensive guys, almost like a Chris Russell. When he was, when he was, when he was in junior, you're saying he's not a defensive specialist. He's not an offensive specialist. He doesn't even come across the red line. He's not a specialist at all anymore. When Michael Peckle was in junior, being stuck in your own end doesn't make you a fucking specialist.

When Michael Pecker was in juniors, you get in your own end. That's all you know. Specializes in his own end. He's not, he's not a specialist because he's in his own end all the time. He's in his own end all the time because he's not a good of hockey player. 37 years, 37 years that's been the exact same way.

He specializes in what he knows. And what he knows is his own end dust. He's good at being in his own end. Hey, I always say everybody's got their jobs. Shut up and do yours. Marley, what do you got? Mike? Is there a point to the story, Hurls?

Michael Peck when he was in juniors was the leading score of the entire league. And so, you know, how hard is it to turn a guy into a defensive specialist? Well, yeah, it might be a little bit difficult. But I think on the opposite end, how hard is it to get guys to be top-end scores in the NHL is very tough? And that's part of the reason why guys drafts. these guys so high and so are so valuable. You're not looking for a guy that can play third line who was good in junior. You're looking for a guy that is first line quality like a McDavid.

You're not looking to tame those guys down, I guess is where I'm going with all this, right? You're looking for them to just Per-Div and let him go. Just unleash it and just. And find a third line shutdown. I know Dave Tippett listens faithfully to the SNP. Find a third-line shutdown line. Figure out the three guys. Let them play against the other team's top line, just like some of them other teams have done in the past.

Here's the thing about the Oilers is they actually have a very good penalty kill. Now, the playoffs, it hasn't been great. But during the regular season, it was really good. It was really good. Yeah, yeah. Regular season, they were, what, number two? Yeah, they were up there. I tell you what.

And so they actually have the defensive side okay. And their third and fourth lines have been okay. That's all you need when you've got McDavid and Drysild playing in the top two lines. If all they really need is that one great passer on D who can get McDavid the puck. When they start figuring that out, great in his own end, where you've got that one guy that can just, he knows where McDavid can get to and just drop the puck where it needs to be, then you're going to see something real special. The beauty about the weather is they actually have a couple of those guys playing at the moment.

Jones and Bear and a bus bomb are actually okay at that. And Jones and Bouchard are actually really good at him, probably Broberg as well. So they've actually got some guys out of the lineup that would actually get the puck to McDavid. They just need to find somebody to find that spot, right? Nugent Hopkins. All right. Let's go to predictions. Prediction time.

Who do we got coming out of the east? Or do you want to do east west? Do you want to all five? No, let's go east first. Let's do east. Okay. East. Here's your matchups for all the listeners, okay?

You got the penguins against Canadians. You're tied at one apiece. You got Hurricanes, Rangers. Hurricanes up 2-0. I think they just won. Yeah, they won the series. Okay, so hurricanes are through. Islanders, Panthers, Islanders up 2-0?

Yeah, they are, yep. Maple Leafs, Blue Jackets, 1-1, and then on the top four, you got Flyers, Tampa Bay Lightning, Washington Capitals, Boston Burroughs. Who are your top two teams for the East Finals? So I got a couple of questions with that before I can answer,

because so when they're finished like who does Carolina play now? Depends on who wins. It gets all reseated again. And the thing is they're going to play one of the Flyers Lightning Capitals Broads. How's that? We don't know which one. We don't know because they haven't even played all their games. Well, then I'm going to go, I'm going to say that it's going to be Tampa Bay and Pittsburgh in the Eastern Conference Finals.

I'm going to say Tampa Bay, Philly, just to be a little bit out there. I was going to say Tampa Bay as well, but now I can't do that because you assholes. I'm going to go Boston Carolina. I've liked Carolina for a couple of years now. I took them in the Sam Squatch draft at the last year, and I took them heavy in the Don's Cup again this year. So I'm going to go Carolina hard. Carolina's going to break Dustin's heart.

Hey, they made the Eastern Final last year. Yeah, I think they're a solid hockey team. I just think that they're going to hit the big boys up there, and they still got a little more growing to do just like the others did a couple years ago. Well, let's go hometown. I'm going to take the Washington Capitals. I'm going to take Brayden Holpey and Novetskin

to climb their way back to the Eastern Codzman. Jay's smiling at me for whatever reason. Well, just because you just interviewed them, and so it sounds like you're just jumping on a bandwagon. Oh, well, you know. You know, and go ahead, Sean. And I am also, I think I'm going to take the Blue Jackets. I'm going to take Columbus.

I'm going to take John Tortorella. Wow. They're going to find a way. You know, I like that pick. I'd love to see Torrance do it. I just cheer for the guy. I cheer for him and Trots. I'm the two guys for me.

You know, I... John Trotorella drives me. He drives me. That's too, but he gets the best out of his team. He gets the best of his guys. I really hated Torterella. But I can't find a reason now lately to hate the guy. The more I find out about the guy, the more I like the guy and respect the guy.

No, I really hate him. So, well, that's like your opinion. He's a learning man. No, I really hate it. That's a dark holiday. That's Latin, darling. How about the West? How about the West finals?

Here's your matchups, all right? Oilers, Blackhawks, they're tied at one a piece. Predators, coyotes, they're tied at one a piece. Connucks Wilde, they're playing tonight. So if you're listening to this, you probably know what they're at. Flames, jets, flames are up to 1, and the jets are without linee, shifely. They're looking her up. You top, lose, they've lost five guys now.

Oh, even better. Pile on the Jets. Then you own your top four teams, you got the Avalanche, the Stars, St. Louis Blues, Vegas Golden Knights. Who are your top two coming out of that side? I would love to see Colorado, Eminton. That would be a lot of fun. McKinnon, McDavid, I'd love to see it.

How about Kail McCar? Oh, what am I the only D-Man in here? Sean, I guess I kind of am. Cal McCar hops out of Junior A. We're not sure what it hardly was. When are you going to get him on your podcaster show? I don't know. At Conky, I'm really not sure what I am.

Cal McCar steps into the NHL from Junior A. Think about that. Junior A to the NHL and is doing moves out there that I'm just like, the best defensemen don't do. Like, he is fantastic to watch. Second leading score on Colorado. I'm going to Colorado, Vegas. Yeah, that's not a bad pick.

that's who I'm going with I'm going to go Vegas St. Louis Got to knock off the champ Don't just right off the champ They get all healthy And they won it last year And everybody just nah

I'm gonna go nah with them I'm gonna go nah with them I'm gonna go nah too No one's picking the Oilers eh He picked I picked Oilers Colorado Are you not listening No I wasn't listening

Go ahead John That was pretty usual I think I You know I'd love to pick McDavid I really want to But I think I'm gonna pick the avalanche and I think I'm going to pick Pegas I watched them play the other night

and I'm just like, yeah. You copy me. Is that what you guys? Exactly. Yeah, I said Colorado Vegas. Well, no, no, let's scratch that then. Let's scratch that. We'll go Vegas, Eminton.

I'll take the others. We'll take McDavid, hey? Everybody says he can score six points and whatever and he doesn't have to change his game. Prove it to me, McDavid, hey? So who is your Stanley Cup finals? No, no, no. Not who's your Stanley Cup final.

Who wins the Cup? Let's go finalists and winner the Cup. Sure. Yeah. finalists for me are I'm going to go with Tampa Bay and Vegas I think Vegas gets back there after getting absolutely stomped on by San Jose in five minutes last year and who wins the cup Vegas wins the cup is a party in Las Vegas on the strip on strip I'm before everybody does theirs I'm going to hop in too I'm going to say Vegas wins it over Washington and there is a party on the strip I'm going to say Philly Eminton and 1987. And Emmington finally brings home the cup back to Canada. So you heard it here first, folks.

I'm going to go last. Colorado, Carolina. On a side note before Dustin says it, I'm pretty sure I picked Toronto Maple Leaf on our last one. I shouldn't even bring this up, but I see them get. and just, well, they've tied it up with Columbus, but they're going to get, they're going to get ended. Yeah, well, I didn't do so well. I picked Ottawa over under to finish under 20 wins, and they surprised me. And so they were actually better in Detroit.

So I don't know. Why am I the one that's bringing the bottle of Scotch here tonight? That's my biggest question. Well, we got a new game at the end. We got a new game at the end. We'll figure that out. Dust, who you got? Colorado, Carolina. Colorado wins the cup. That's what I got. He just loves Carolina. I do. Oh, yeah, they're just going to roll through Boston and Tape in Washington.

McKinnon wins the Kahn-Smith. Oh, now we're picking it's Kahn-Smith. I'm just throwing out there. Dustin wants the one-up. McCar wins the cons mites. You heard of your first, folks. Have we talked about Rahm McLean yet? No, no.

Do we want to talk about Ron McLean? Let's talk about. Sean, do you want to talk about Rob McLean? Well, no, you got kind of a man crush on him. Oh, really? Really? Well, the guy's kind of a big deal. I just, you know what?

I mean, I got a lot of, I like Ron and a ton of respect. I just, when we, when they talked about the cap, when Gary Bettman was going on the cap on the players, and, you know, Ron just didn't feel like that the players get their fair share that way. I wonder where the league would be if we didn't have a cap, though. And I mean, you think of how baseball is, where the Yankees and Dodgers pretty much just buy everybody. Is that a lot of fun for everybody?

You know? And great, the top two or three. players on each team are making huge money, but is there not a different way where you have a cap and maybe there's a bonus structure? I'm just really happy owners are making lots of money. That's all I'm happy about with the NHL. Okay. I gotta be honest.

Am I mad at the owners for making money? No. No. Well, they take all the risks. No. I'll say this. Is it even the playing... I tell you what, did they need to charge like 180 bucks a ticket?

No, but I'm the dummy still paying for it, I guess. It's market. The thing I look at is, like, the NFL's cap runs a cap. Their cap's $198 million. NHL's 81. But that's how big the game NFL is down in the States. But you can't tell me that they haven't run the best league with that cap. You've got the NBA now that's down to five or six teams that can win the championship.

Like, the whole thing is just, oh, we'll have a league just so we can. It's ridiculous. You want to talk about all the teams getting in the playoffs. They might as have no teams getting the playoffs and have the two best teams from each sidewalk and play. One of the superstars leaves one of the NBA teams, and next thing you know, he's bringing three guys with him.

I can hear that fun for everybody. I can hear Colby man just losing his mind right now. Here's the difference. Here's the difference between NBA and football and hockey. Is NBA, you've got five guys on the court, and one of those guys can play almost every single minute on the court. So if you have the best player in the game, if Connor McDavid's playing in the NBA,

you can play them every minute of every game and you're going to have a wicked good team whereas in hockey he plays 20 minutes of every game 20 minutes which means 40 23 shut the fuck up Harley the other 40 minutes he's not on yeah fair enough but he's not on the ice which means that you can have a way bigger effect with one player

in the NBA than you can't hockey but if you have an NBA cap you can't have four the best players in the league all in the same team or they just go roast everybody Instead, you have four to the best players Each on different teams Grabbing some guys And it turns into what it used to be With the Celtics and Lakers

And everybody else way back in the 80s Where you didn't have Jordan and Bird And Magic Johnson all on the same team Okay, who's the best team in the NBA right now? The Lakers? Well, they're number one in the west Okay, who do they have? They've got LeBron Jains

They've got two really good players Yeah Can you name the other three players that play with them? No, you can't Because they don't have the five best yelling at us right now. But that's because they got the five best players. What?

You can't need. That's because they got the things on the top there. Right? They got equality and they got the different things on their jerseys, right? Have you not seen that? Black lives matter? No, well, they've got different things on the top of their jerseys. Yes.

Where their name should be. Yes. So like the one that I can remember because I was watching last night was equality, right? So the guy's got equality and then he's got his name underneath. But what I find interesting is LeBron James does not carry one on his jersey. So why is that? Why doesn't he put He didn't have anything?

He did not So he had James Yeah He had James on the On the top I think on the bottom And he just had nothing on the top Whereas there was probably a lot of guys

That had stuff on the top Yeah yeah Black Lives Matter Equality and Yeah There was a name And there was other things Yeah there was probably

Five to ten different things I mean I'm not against that I mean that's fine I just found an interesting LeBron James didn't have Can sports can't go back to being sports already Do we have to have a political opinion about everything all the time?

Well, Dustin, you're the most political out of the four of us. It's true, but... It is true. But if you're going to be political, be political. Does everything need to be political? No, of course not. They've got a platform, though. They're trying to use it.

They're just trying to use it. That's all they're trying to do. I realize that. I go with Sean, I do think for the... Does it hurt me to see, you know, Black Lives Matter on the back of a jersey? No, not really. You know, does it hurt me for Sagan to take a knee at the game? No.

No. Him and Leonard are talking about saying, you know, shit sucks down where they're at. They need to figure it out. That's their way of showing that they stand with the people trying to figure it out. Like, do I want them there standing the entire time? I guess. But, I mean, it doesn't hurt me. I understand they're not disrespecting anyone.

Reeves talked about that last night. Yeah, it was fantastic. Reeves was really good. He was fantastic. Yeah. I think you should get him on here. Wow. I'd actually like to listen to that.

Well, no, he was really good because he talked about how much respects the army and how much he, you know, he understands that what they give overseas and everything else that they do. But he also has where, you know, he's in a position where he can make a difference. Yeah. And it wasn't about him defacing the flag or anything like that. It was that he's in a position he can make a difference and make a statement in support of all the things that are going on. And I just thought how he said it. I mean, I'm butchering it. No, no, no.

I thought was really good. No, you're actually in Robin Liner was the other guy standing beside him. I thought they did a really good job. So we're going to go into politics here, I guess. Before we get, you said you don't want, you don't want sports to be politics. I'm just saying it doesn't bother me that they're, you know,

you're just taking a stand because things are going sideways, that's all. I want to just because I looked it up here. I can't believe Harley's become the Google guy. I was always the Google guy. He's the Howie Meeker of the table. Milwaukee was at a win percentage of 794 last year. To make the playoffs, Orlando was 471. Not half.

Washington Wizards were the next team below it. At 358, that is half. Half the points from the top to the team that doesn't make it. In the NHL, if you had half the points of, you're nowhere even close. You're probably damn near one of the worst teams in the league. That's literally like 50 or 55. The Cleveland Claveliers were at 2992. You're at almost a third of the points of the first place in your conference.

But the thing with the NBA I keep coming back to is you can't compare the leagues because in the NBA, LeBron Jane plays almost every minute of every game. No, but I mean now if you're on a salary cap, now if he's taking up a bigger portion of your salary cap, now he has to play with three or four other guys that are shittier quality, Not just even average guys. They're lower quality. There's something lovely about NBA. I'm not a big giant NBA fan,

but when your favorite player is on the court at all times, like, can you imagine? Sure. You remember three-on-three almost bobblehead hockey, whatever the hell that was called, and the guys never left the ice, so McDavid is always on the ice, or whoever else is always on the ice.

That's fun. Like, that's fun. Can you imagine? Seventball is fun. And there was three teams under 300. Yeah. three teams. That's the NBA.

Yeah, but how much fun is that you go watch? I don't cheer. I don't cheer for... And they're going and playing one of the shittiest teams in the league? Like, yeah. Maybe Phoenix? Timberwolves. I went to watch Minnesota Timberwolves.

You know how it was fun that was? That wasn't fun. I mean, the building was empty. We snuck down, we got down to nice seats. Timberwolves and Golden Star Wars. Everybody was hurt. It was B-League basketball. It wasn't fun.

The night was fun. The basketball was fun. I'm saying the worst team in the league. And they went from literally one of the favorite, perennial favorites, to the worst team in the league. Why is that? Literally like a year. Why was that?

Because everybody left the team and went and joined these superstar teams. No, they lost one guy. One and joined the superstar teams. Hey, Arles, can you talk to the mic, please? Yeah. Get fired up here. Here's the thing. About NBA of all things. Can you imagine if McDavid played like 55 minutes every game?

It would be amazing. It would be amazing. And how good would Emmington be? We'd win 15, too. Well, no, no. So would you pay McDavid 20 million a year? 25 million a year? Whatever the fuck you wanted.

Right. So now you're paying McDavid 30 million a year, but now guess what? Some of the other players, you're going to have to have a little better scouting. You actually got to be a team. You can't just go and, oh, you know what? There's no cap, so McKinnon wants to come play with them, and Crosby wants to come, and let's just throw a Vetchkin on the team. And the owners get to be a powerhouse for five years.

And meanwhile, poor only Buffalo. Oh, no, that's not fair to pick on them because they're lonely anyways, but you get where I'm meaning. Like, I think basketball has done a great job market. You can't have three other superstar players because there's nowhere for them to play. I think basketball. Were the 99 Buffalo Sabres the best team to be out of Buffalo in the last 20 years? No, they had Dominic Hask. That was it.

Yeah, that was her. What other team has Buffalo had? Well, no, not since the early 70s where they had Gilleselbert Proe and the French connection. That's right. The NFL suck. No, no, they had the bills. The bills were good for the long. The bills had four straight years where they hit the Super Bowl.

And they just couldn't win. It was unbelievable. The first year they missed a football. When was that? That was, I believe, early 90s, late 80s, early 90s, somewhere in there. All I'm trying to say is the last team Buffalo has had to cheer for is the 99 Buffalo Sabres. They have been dog shit since 99.

What are we talking about the Buffalo fucking bills for? Hardy's on a rat. Hey, hey, uh, somewhere, mom, you're sitting there. Just earmuffs, all right? Just earmuffs. Let's talk about baseball. How many times? How many times?

Let's talk about baseball for a quick, a quick, hot minute, okay? Have they? Hey, Harle's Buffalo doesn't have a baseball team. Well, they got a triple A team. They got triple A. Will they make it the year? Because you had Miami just explode with COVID. Then you got, now you got the cards.

They explode with COVID. And it's just like, You know, Mike, again, going a little political here, but, you know, my curious question is, so you hear about the 18 players off the Marlins who got it, are we going to hear about if none of them really got that sick and they're all back and everything's good? Because that's really not anybody's agenda right now.

What they want to say is, oh, four of them are in the hospital and two of them were in a coma, and it's terrible, we're going to shut down the country again. But we know that ain't going to happen. So if they come back and everything's good, shouldn't they go, hey, okay, maybe this isn't the end of the world? Yeah, some players got it.

They went down, they isolated, they came back, they're good. So in hockey, you got pucks to get passed around. In baseball, was it some bats that got passed around there or something? Like, what happened to for all these guys? Sometimes when you're on the ice with dust, the pucks don't get passed around. Just throwing that out there. Mom, really, really turn this off. Honestly, honestly.

I don't know. I don't know. Honestly, I don't think the problem is necessarily COVID. I think the bigger problem is the injuries that come because of all this. I was listening to Ken... What are you talking about? They got 14 guys with COVID. They can't play right now.

Actually, the Marlons have 18. Right, right. Okay, yes, fair enough. And then they come back. And then what ends up happening? None of them guys have practiced, played anything for two weeks. We don't know what Arlie's talking about. I'm getting to my point.

Leave me to my point here. You fucking out. assholes. Mama, I sure hope you got the earmuffs on. So none of these guys have played now for two weeks. Now they are expected to go right back into a major league baseball game. Does anybody know what the injury rate is in baseball right now? No, but you're going to tell us.

Five times the amount of pitchers from last year to this year during the same period, there is five times the amount of injuries in pitchers right now because a shortened pre-work or pre-season and now you're jumping in and now teams are missing games because they're not playing all the time. Toronto Blue Jays are another example of it. They just had to miss the last four games because the other team was on COVID, right? Yeah, but they still have to work out. No, but it's not the same. When you're going through a season, it's different. Why didn't Harley become a Baseball insider. Listen to Ken Rosenthal before we came out here.

Okay, so how about this? So COVID's a major issue, obviously, with getting a baseball season completed, because when you've got 14 guys get COVID all at the same time, how doesn't this happen to other sports? Because in basketball with hockey, all it takes is one or two guys. But they're in a bubble. They're in a bubble. Baseball's traveling around.

No, no, no. But you're in a bubble, but you're also talking about guys who are in. a bubble for long periods of time. All it takes is one guy to go to a strip club and all of a sudden... Well, you're bringing up... Lou Williams. No, that's what I'm saying, though, is that you've got young millionaires who aren't used to be told Moe, not used to be locked up.

All of a sudden, all it takes is one of them to go do something dumb. But I think he was wearing a mask. They say that the stripper kept six-speed distance between him and the... No lap. dances. No. Right now, that's a lot if you're wearing a mask. Right now in the MLB, right now in the MLB, there's 181 total injuries.

126 of those are pitchers. 126 of those are pitchers. Think about that. Out of all of that, there's 40 of them that have undisclosed illnesses, so which you might consider COVID, all right? So you're at 140 injuries. Harles, you're spending all these numbers. And you're close to 100 of them.

are pitchers. No one cares our house. So what are we going to do with COVID here? Like seriously. How do you, you want to talk about asterisks ashterxes beside this year? Forget hockey. You've got, how do you run a regular season where most of these guys's pitchers are on injured reserve because they can't pitch all the time? You're talking about, you can't have pitchers pitching too much because you're worried about them getting injured. Everybody talks about the 100 pitch count, right? Well, you can't play them too much because then you're prone to injury. But if you have all these other injuries to all your other pitchers, you're almost forced to play these guys, which is then going to turn into more injuries. Like the entire season for MLB,

in my opinion, is under the worst scrutiny out of all of this because A, they're traveling from city to city to city. You're talking about regular season, not playoffs, playoffs, like you are in the NHL. In the MLB, like regular season, what does regular season even mean? And I know it's a shortened season and all, but you're talking about guys that are still going to want to go out and they're going in different cities and they've got their second cell phones and whatever, right? They're going to go out and they're going to do what they want to do. Burner phones. But in the NHL right now, they're in playoffs. Everybody wants to win the cup. it's not like the MLB right now where, well, yeah, we're playing and we're still going to go out.

We're still going to have a good time. But it's not like it's playoffs yet. So, you know, I'll concern myself a lot more once it gets to playoffs, right? I'll take your point. But I will say this, A, that has nothing to do with COVID. And B, MLB just came out and they're lowering the rosters from 30 to 28. So they do not share your concern. because if they were concerned about the injuries,

they would let them keep a 30-man roster and they're lowering them to 28. Okay, but the injuries aside, because, okay, sure, if they're not playing, they had a short and season, blah, blah, blah, they're going to get injured more. You can always bring replacements up. The big concern for me is always COVID

because if you have eight guys off your roster, do they have to quarantine for 14 days? That's what they're supposed to do. You know what? This feels like the last 10 minutes has been such a what? Like, Sean asked the question about COVID, are they going to shut down the season?

We've had 10 minutes. I don't even know what we talked about. Okay, but COVID. Seriously. So you got a- Are you shutting the season down or not? Well, no. Are they going to?

They can't. They can't. They can't. They can't. They can say, hey, we've got too much COVID. We're going to shut it down. Okay, but let's bring it back to hockey here. Let's bring it back to another sport.

You've got TV deals that you have to manage. If they get rid of the entire season, but your TV deal is one of your biggest deals throughout the entire season. You go, you can't lose the TV deal. But if the social pressure becomes too much because everybody's contracting COVID, you can shut down a season. I'll tell you, if players don't feel safe, they'll shut down the season. Is there an asterisk next to the NHL?

Asterisk next to the Stanley Cup champion if multiple teams come down with multiple players having COVID. Let's say you have 10 players off the Oilers get COVID. Oh, there's already going to be an asterisk there because they're going to say it was the year of COVID. And they played in August. I mean, it's. But you still got your name on the cups. And people in 50 years old. You make it in the finals and Shifley and Lionair on Winnipeg and they get hurt like they did.

Are you going to have any asterisk besides that? No, get me out of here. You win the Stanley Cup the way they're doing it right now. If they played the March Madness, I will give you the asterisk. It'll be a fun asterisk to have because it's like, hey, you remember that here? We won and we won four games, won the Cup. That was a lot of fun. Yeah, there's an asterisk, but it was a lot of fun.

And we had more viewers than ever in the magic. of there's a difference. You win the cup right now. It don't matter how you do it. Worst case scenario, Sean. You got two teams in the final. One of the teams gets 14 players coming down with COVID where they got ice leased them for two weeks.

No, but I think what happens then. I think there's a difference. I think there's a difference there. And you take the cup and you beat the hell out of them. And you party like you've never partied before. I would say this. Baseball will shut down with COVID if the guys that get it start to have some serious cases.

I agree. So if all of a sudden you got two or three people in hospital or a guy that hopefully not like goes in a coma and stuff, that season shuts down. Well, if this is not a baseball guy, but you remember when Georgia Lurak got COVID? Right, and you went to the hospital and everybody's like, oh, you got COVID? Yeah, got a COVID. You don't remember that? Okay, George Lurak got COVID. And when he got COVID, I was like, oh, man, can you imagine a headline if George Lurac all sudden was no more?

That'd be a headline. George is back doing a show and it's not a big deal. And I'm not sitting here saying COVID isn't a big deal. Obviously, it's spreading like a wildfire. It's crazy. But you don't hear of 18 guys from Miami being on ventilators. If you do, baseball shuts down. That's right.

Yes. All I'm saying, though, is if you have two teams that are in the final and one of them has COVID run wild, where you've got like 10 or 12 guys. Can you not have, well, I guess COVID, they're going to shut you down. But in any other finals, you could have the flu run wild and have five guys. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But then why isn't it?

Why wouldn't they just do what they're already doing right now? Well, we'll give it two weeks and then we'll play in two weeks. No, no, no, they won't do that, though. They will not do. They're already doing it right now. I tell you what, if I was Hamilton Oilers and you're facing the Washington Capitals and Holpey, Ovechkin, Baxter, Baxter, Kuznets off. Sure.

You just list them all off and they're all infected. I'm taking that cup I just can't wait till the Oilers and Flyers play I am pumped neither can I What happens if it was to be David and Nurse and Drysaitle

that had... Yeah that sucks but you gotta suck it up and find a way to play That's what hockey players do You just take a bunch of your best players out of lineup You're not being the Philadelphia Flyers What was Dustin just saying Broberg and Bouchard and Jones

Like they'd be amazing There's always an opportunity They can get the puck out. You know what? Russell may be specializing. They're going to replace McDavid's goals for sure. Maybe you get lucky dust and Russell gets it, hey? That's right.

Actually, that'd be the best case scenario. All right, let's do the Crude Master Final Five. All right, five questions. Shout out to Heath and Tracy, huge supporters of the podcast. Here's your question number one. This is episode 102. So in the first 101, what was your favorite? And we'll start with Dusty.

You look like you got it. So let's go with you. Murray McDonnell was my favorite episode. Off, not probably one that most consider the best, but I thought he was a very interesting interview, a guy that's accomplished a lot and had some very interesting ideas. I had Murray McDonnell as one of mine as well, just because he was different, but because Dust went with him,

I'll say Cy Campbell. Cy Campbell, I had no idea who he was, and to hear his story, I'm still waiting for part two of that story to actually come out because I think he was really with it and really had an interesting take on a lot of things. He's seen a lot of interesting times. Well, man, there's been a lot of good ones. It really has.

Were you going to say something about the Brothers Road Trip across Canada? I would never pick myself ever. I can't believe we're doing a fourth one. No, I meant Sean and I talking about her bike trip across Canada. I thought maybe that was your favorite episode. No, that's probably down right near the bottom, actually. We had a running joke before we started this about maybe we should make the worst episodes. Yeah.

So the bike trip is number one on that list for Jay. I didn't want to hurt anybody's feelings, though. So, no, I mean, you know. Lori, you really brought that episode down, I think is what Jay's trying to say. Go ahead, Jay. I, you know, with apologies, I mean, Theo Flurry was really good. I thought, I thought Brian Burke, Marty McSorley, there was some really, there was some really good episodes. But I'm going to go with a little chap.

I thought I just loved his story, a local guy, and just a little different, right? Part of the hockey, some of the stories you had back in the days with the rink being packed. And I just really enjoyed that one. So what you're saying is I should get Murray. Sy Shep back on. Yes. Yes. Part two.

Why not? I mean, we've talked about, you know, different guys having part twos, but why not have, I'm having Quick Dick McDick, because truth be told, the most downloaded episode in the first 100, well, 100, we'll see what Holpey does, but in the first 100, the most downloaded episode beyond anyone is Quick Dick McDick. He was really good, too. It was. It was. And it's hard. Right. I mean, we were talking about this on our walk there the other day, and I started going

through the list, and there was probably about 20 of them that I could go, I could make a case for, right? There is a lot of, there was a lot that I just didn't listen to. That's fair. I was saying this is like, I didn't like this question because it's like kind of patting myself on the back. But in saying that, if I were to go back and just take one episode, right? Ron McLean is close, and I laugh because you guys. say I got a man crush on him, but Ron McLean is the first guy I had where I literally stopped on the side of the road, gave it a few fist pumps, couldn't believe my hair stood up, like it was

pretty cool. But I think my favorite episode, just because of how surreal it was, was we were flying down Arizona. Before we fly down, Dustin Mullet guy worked with at Baker, goes, you should get Paul Bissinette on. I don't like, man, I ain't getting Paul Bissinette. Like, like, that's like, okay, Yeah, right? And he's like, no, no, no, no, no. I think you can't. I think you can't. And he has a number one podcast, sports or hockey?

Hockey. Hockey, number one hockey podcast in North America. No, no, in the world. Well, yeah, sorry, in the world. In the world. Yeah. Yeah. And so, I'll lay it out.

So I'm like, okay, whatever. I'll throw it out. So I throw it on Twitter. We get some, like, you know, whatever. You know, it almost builds a little confidence. Maybe this can happen. Let's be very clear. On the flight down there, I'm not thinking,

I'm getting Paul Bissinette. I'm thinking, you know, if I get a response from him, that's amazing. Land, get tickets from one of the boys who's playing for him, and go to the game. But I was supposed to go to the game with Shea, who's my oldest son. And at the time, Shea's like three years old. I can imagine what a three-year-old be the hockey game. I'm not talking to anyone.

I'm fucking running. And instead, he hasn't taken a nap. So Brent comes. brother-in-law Brent. So what do we do? We sit and have a couple beers. We're sitting here having a good time, talk to this old guy on his size,

and Paul Bissonette walks up. Him, he's high as a kite. Walks up, sits down right in front. Looks right at me. Can I sit here? Yeah, sure. What do you mean he's high as a kite? Oh, he was high as a kite, Jay.

I think what that means is he was high on drugs, Jay. Okay. He was smoking. Anyway, carry on. Anyways. It's legal in our bloody province. Is it legal in Arizona? Oh, I don't know.

It's legal in Canada. I'm not too worried about what the... Like, I mean, it's our... I think Beesonack and post bail. Our lovely leader. It just wasn't expecting... Oh, yeah, he was high as a kite. Anyways, he leaves.

So he sits in front of us, talks. Anyways, he leaves. The old guy elbows me. I wish I would have got his name. I'm sorry, old guy. And he goes, what are you doing? You got to go talk to him. And I'm like,

no, no. What are you ever going to get another chance? You got to talk to him. I'm like, I... So now he's... So now I'm like drinking bud lights, trying to like grab the courage to go talk to him. So the third period starts. And I'm like, okay.

I'm going to go, I'm going to go, all right, yeah, I'm getting the courage. And all of a sudden I look over, and here's Paul Bissonnet, walks back, sits right in front of me again in the same spot, almost like the world's have all aligned. I know from heaven. That's right. But before I can go like, hey, Mr. Bisonette, like all like cold and clammy and all stuffed up, the old guy smacks him on the street. The old guy smacks him on the shoulder. He goes, hey, and then Paul looks back. Yeah.

And he goes, hey, this guy wants to be on your podcast. I burst out laughing because everybody knows spit and chicklets. I'm like, no, no, no, I don't want to be on your podcast. Jesus, I'm not that good. I want you to come online. And we sit there and talk. And he's like, well, you got to, you know, I take money to get on. You know, people got to pay me to come.

Oh, man, whatever. That's all right. I'm just down here with my family. And as soon as I said family, he's like, oh, all right you got a card yeah i got a card it's like nah screw it here takes my number it's like text me tomorrow morning boom all sudden that night i got paul bisonette on and i'm telling you that is like i don't know if that's planets aligning or whatever so out of the first hundred i'm not sitting here saying i i all hundred are special to me sitting around with the brothers i just i always say

this off air in 20 years 30 years whether or not people love these episodes i love these episodes and in 30 years we're going to look back on these are going to be awesome. Our kids are going to look on them. They're probably going to think we're all a bunch of idiots, and they're probably going to pick up a couple bad words and a couple bad terminology, and Mom will agree to that. But all 100 have been really, really good, but the surreal one is Paul Bisonnet, bar not.

I can't believe that happened. That is unbelievable. I can't believe you had both goalies on the Canadian tour of 2004. What does that even mean? Well, you had both goalies on the Canadian tour of the lockdown. down of 2004. Kelly, Rudy and grad for.

I'm like, oh my God. Yes, he did. You're correct. That Paul B. Sennett thing is wild. When you, when you went down

there you were kind of mentioning, but you actually getting them the way you did is just insane. Well, and I didn't public, I was like, I can't wait to drop.

Like, that night, I don't think I slept a wink. I finished recording that episode at like midnight. Stayed up to like one in the morning. Okay, I retract my Ron McClain. statement you have a man crush on paul b senet don't we all i don't though and maybe that's why i'm

sitting here because i don't i find a cooler that you got both kelly rudy and grand fehrer on but i understand why you'd think it like i mean business that's number one in the hockey podcast so i totally get it i do think it's an unbelievable story but i mean business for me is biz it's whatever moving on hey listeners don't worry about my brother right he's he's he's old i'm just saying anyways let's go to let's go to i like kelly ruddy yeah i tell you what the guy I had the most chemistry with, in my opinion. Kelly Rudy was unreal. Kelly Rudy was cool.

Anyways, number two, favorite senior moment. Favorite senior moment. Go. Well, I'll say winning the championship the year I was coaching with Harley and Sean playing, even though Harley was concussed and wasn't actually there for when he won it.

That was... Well, the question always is, was he actually there because on the team pitcher, he's not there. He's not there. He's not there. I don't think he won. Was there there? I don't know.

It's actually the biggest hit I've ever seen. I honestly couldn't tell you if I was there because I honestly don't remember. You know what's funny about that playoff run is Ken Rutherford and I were coaching. Ken Rutherford and I were coaching. Number one. Number one. Ken Rutherford and I are coaching together. And we beat Lashburn in round number one after a tumultuous round one.

And I remember looking over at Kenny and I said, Kenny, we're going to win this whole thing. And we moved on to win the whole thing. So that was kind of a surreal moment. Obviously winning the championship was everything. That's it. Obviously, if I could remember winning the championship, it would be... That was a hard.

You know what, Harold? After you got the concussion in that game, because I was at that game, you came back for like one shift and through the biggest hit I've ever seen you throw in your career. You absolutely leveled the guy, left the ice, went to the hospital.

It was unbelievable. No, no, what actually happened is so I'm coaching the period, ended after he hit that guy. We went up to the dressing room and he's sitting in the dressing room and some of the guys come up to me and they're like, Harley has no idea where he is. And I'm like, oh fuck, I just let him out for a shift. He went out there and just absolutely ran over somebody.

Mom's going to kill me. Yeah. We called his wife and she took him to the hospital. That's actually what happened. But yeah, I had no idea he was concussed. As a good coach, you should go talk to your player after he gets hit that hard. I just didn't. No concussion protocol in Hillman.

one. No, definitely not. Not at that time anyways. These days, who knows? I don't know. You know what? I have no regrets because we run the championship. Putting my brother's life on the line, but no regrets. I miss my brother's brain, which might explain some of the conversations the ante me, but I still would risk that. Actually, I don't notice him much different after the hits than what he was before. That's true. Actually, though, the one memory I will say of that entire run up there is actually, I can't remember if it was the second or the third period. This is the concussion talking, of course. But no, I'm pretty sure it was the third because I went back. There was

about four or five seconds left, hit one of the Wainwright guys behind the net, popped the puck out to Brad Noble. Brad Noble put the puck in the net, and we won that series. And that for me, I remember that. I remember that. And that for me, there was like zero seconds on the clock and won the game and that was awesome.

That to me is one of the... I got one more story. Oh my God. So we actually missed the game... Can we move on to J? Or in game five of that series because Harley had his wedding that he planned...

In the middle of finals. In the middle of finals for Mexico because he didn't expect us to make the finals apparently. So we take the captain and the team, Sean, and Harley, you know, fourth line plug, and myself, the head coach, go down in Mexico, have the wedding. And on the way back, we find out that Hillman lost both those games, was down 3-1. I remember going through the airport. I bought a fancy bottle of scotch, which I ended

up throwing up on Mum's floor the night we won. That's beside the point. That's besides the point. We're going through the airport, and my buddy's wife looks over to me, she's like, well, I guess you're drinking that by yourself. I said, fuck you, we're going to drink this when we win the shriken series in seven. And we won the series in seven. And I threw up my mom's floor. Anyhow, go ahead, Jay. Well, my favorite is the only game I played for Hillman. Now, I did play two years of senior and kids, Scotty. Hillman just didn't, they petered out just as I was going to get there and didn't come back until I'm knee-deep in kids and coaching. So I just never got to play. So first game of the season, I don't know, probably four or five years ago now.

They're short players, so they formed the Newman line on the fourth line with me and Dustin Harles. And it took me a couple periods to get going. I remember scoring a beauty and warm up though. Like, I, just a beauty. My favorite more of that game was Jason getting laid out. It's my story. It's my story. No, Dustin fed me cross ice and I went under the bar on you know to me, no, it wouldn't have been in the know what it would have been back to maybe Stanger. Anyways, so get going into the game and, you know, I'm slow. I'm nervous. I don't want to make any mistakes.

And I threw one up the middle in our own end with nobody there and they had a two on O. But Stanger bailed me out, so thanks, buddy. And then what I remember then, too, is I was going in across the line. I was going to shoot the puck. Dustin calls for it. So then he distracts me because I'm thinking, well, maybe I should pass the dust. Right?

So I'm thinking, well, no, you're going to shoot the puck. And meanwhile, I'm deciding this, One of the guys, Joel Hyde, I don't know if I ever coached him. He was on the team that I was when I was with the BAM AAA team. Anyways, he blindsides me and absolutely craters me in the ice. Of course, everybody's laughing because they think it's hilarious. I mean, if it's in the NHL, we've got a 10-game suspension. But, and my whole, I think it was my whole left side just absolutely went numb.

So then I try and get myself off the ice, right? And then by the third period, we're starting to feel a little better, right? starting to go. My last shift of the game, got to realize Kenny Rutherford's missing, had something important to do. So Colby McDonald's run on the bench. And I coached Cobes for a couple years in Junior B.

And I can tell him he was itch. He asked me halfway, so it's like a three two game. He asked me halfway through the second. Should I just go down to two lines? I said, Cope's, like, let's just run her out a little farther here. Jay wants a little more.

So I get my, so there's 12 minutes left in the third. I go out there, have my best shift of the game, draw a penalty. we're all over them. I come off, Cope says,

Newman, you're done. And he says, can you stand over here and help me coach? So that was, I just loved it though. To be able to have a guy that I coached for two years

to be able to tell me that I was done, stand in the middle of the bench. It's actually a really funny memory. Jay's stat line for the Hillmont Hitman is 1-0-0-0-0-0-0. It should at least take a penalty. Well, I so regret that dust, right?

Because, you know, whatever. I don't get a goal to assist, but like, I mean, I can, could have literally went out there and just trip somebody or done something. I don't think I would elbowed somebody because then if they would have fought me, that wouldn't have been great either. So just I probably would have went up to somebody like-

You should have fought the smallest guy in Lashburn. Well, no, what I would have done because I coached a guy like Getsy, I should have just went to Getsy and say, listen. When you get the puck, I'm going to absolutely hook the shit out of you all the way down the ice until the ref calls me. Nothing personal. Please don't turn around slash me.

Right? And then I would have got two minutes. I would have felt a lot better about myself. Turn around, slash you're right in the teeth and you're missing a tooth just like your your youngest brother. Isn't that an NBA? Who's the coach of the Raptors when his line was? I got players on my team, their stat line is zero, zero, zero, zero, zero, zero, zero.

I was a team guy, Duss. I was good in the dressing room. Good on the bench. I was going to say, well, obviously winning is by far you can't beat winning. But it's since we've all kind of beat that dead horse a little bit. one of the other fun memories and a big thing that I love being a part of is an alumni. And retiring Brad Simons' jersey was a pretty special night. That's a guy, you know, heartfelt, but that's a guy who put a lot into that community

and surprising him because he had no idea, or at least like to think he had no idea, and to pull him out on the ice and a guy who doesn't like attention to just give him a bit of attention. That was a fun night. Penley Kill Specialist. And still yet found. a way to score a couple of big goals in the final series. Yes, you did. Bled everything hit me.

I remember being Wheeler, taking four minutes of penalties. Danny, if you're listening. Game six, damn you, Wheeler, you almost made me lose my hair. And, uh, how about game seven when he carved McNabb's face with 10 minutes left?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But that's not the story I'm telling because that one doesn't include. Well, he took another four there too. Yeah, he did. Anyhow, he took, what do you take? No, he took seven minutes in penalties because he tried to fight a tried to fight player

when we're up by one and Brad Simon walked down and Sinclair McClare. Yeah walked down and potted one

and that's seven minutes of penalties and we actually scored three goals so they're none There was a lot of really awesome penalties though

you know you think about the two of Danny Wheeler and I think of one of Graham Murray where he reaches out from the bench

as Kurt Benz Miller is skating down the ice and grabs them right by the fence or right by the face and just face washes the shit out of them and none of the refs see it and Kurt just loses his mind. Kurt Benz Miller totally.

And that was one of the best things I've ever seen in my entire life being on the ice and watching that happen. That was not in a game six. That was not unbelievable. That was not in our game six or game seven of the finals. Anyhow, go ahead, Sean. To give you an idea of how smart. Sometimes Graham can be on yikes.

Wasn't it this year where he decides he got McNasty, who's got all these 100 videos of beating the hell out of people. And even if he's not, guys are pounding on him. He's got to face of stone. And Graham happens to pick him to do the old skating along, not paying attention at the last second as they're changing, just buries his shoulder into him and knocks him on his back. I'm sitting in the penalty box watching this, like, I mean, right in front of me.

Graham comes back in. I barely touched him. I didn't even see him there. I'm like, right. Like right. As he's getting his head grabbed and slammed off the ice, I'm like, you know, I can't even be mad about that. You got to deserve it.

I worked with the guy. He had like a nice three-inch raspberry right in the middle of his forehead for like the next two weeks. I don't think anybody accused Graham of being smart. Graham's yelling at the stereo. Love him. Team guy, though, team guy. Well, no, he's fantastic. Fantastic.

That was important. We were killing a penalty at that time. At the time, I'm sitting beside his girlfriend's mom and his girlfriend's mom's boyfriend, and they both just bury their head in their hands. They're like, oh, Graham. Right? Like, you know, what do they even see? What do they even see?

Fan favorite. Well, he is a fan favorite. I mean, what do you expect that? Something's going to happen. He's got to poke the bear. Maybe he'd do it with, I don't know, five on five, which would be a good start. Actually, my other little one that I really enjoyed this year,

coaching was, so me and Troy got going, and we got Brew coming, right? And Brew at the start, it was like, I'll come to the home games, right? And then Brew got into it, next thing, he's coming to the road games. And we're rolling the Meadow Lake, and we're rolling the St. Walberg,

and Brew is part of it, and I really enjoyed the playoffs and rolling with Troy and Brew. I had a lot of fun. You know what? And talking about brew, it's funny, you know, the year that we won, we were rolling, I think, correct me if I'm wrong on this, Sean. But 46% on the power play? 64 on the way of games.

And the big ice at Wainwright, we were 64% on the power play. You couldn't do no wrong. At the end of the series. We owe your soul, Wainwright. At the end of the series, the head coach said something along the lines of, how do you, How do you guys do what you do on the power play? And they just said, I don't know what you're talking about. Like, we don't even teach them, right?

Like, it's just one of those things. We had a series, we had, we had a series of Wainwright. Brew was like fucking bang on. That Wainwright series, to give Wainwrights credit, because they ended up going on to win three straight or wherever the hell it was. They're laughing at us talking about them. But that series, it wasn't just,

you all bug me about not scoring. I scored, Brew scored, Brad scored, Hammie scored, Bud scored. Everybody scored. So you couldn't just go, if we cover brew, we'll cut off the head, right? Because everybody was scoring,

and it was 64% on away ice. And Wayne Wright was, it was... What have you ever heard of a power play? And that was a six game series. So as a coach, I was coaching that team, and what I had to work with

was Bud, who was a big man, probably overweight, but he controlled the puck and no one could take it off him because he was a big man. You had a big man. You had a brewman who had one skill, his best skill was one time in the puck, absolutely hammering the puck, bar down. You had Sean who was sneaky,

who could get a shot off. You have Brad who loved to mix it up in the front of the net. He just loved mixing it up. The most awful hack shot ever. He had a sandwich. Absolutely. Chip that puck top shelf. Chip it, Brad.

Just chip it. And then you had a hammy offside who was sneaky as fuck. Yeah. And I honestly didn't teach a power play all year because those guys just figured out. Probably a good thing. Otherwise it wouldn't be 64%. You know, I'd get the hell out of the way. That's right.

That's all right. We've been going on question two for a long time. All right. Okay. So Dustin, growing up, Dustin and Jay were roommates for a long time. Harley and I were roommates for a long time. Is there a funny story you can share about being roommates? Okay, so 15 years.

Ever since I was a baby till the time Jay left the house at 18, I shared a room with Jay. And all I can think of is that I would go to bed early at nights. I liked my sleep. Jay, I don't know, he'd stay up later. And all I can remember is I'd go to bed, he'd come in, turn on the light, and go to bed. And he'd leave the light on.

and I get up and I go turn off the light and go back to bed because I was pissed off because I was sleeping and Jay would get up, turn on the leg, go to the bathroom, come back, leave the light on, go back to bed. And I get up, pissed off, go back, turn the light off, go back to bed. He'd get up, go get a drink of water, turn the light on, leave it on, go back to bed.

And he'd do this repeatedly to you. This doesn't sound like our oldest brother. This does not sound like our oldest brother. Because I like my sleep more than him. And two, was he was bigger and stronger than me. And if I ever got mad, he'd just beat the piss out of me. And actually, though, that's the only thing that's not true about that statement is at the very end is I wouldn't beat on you. I would just, you would get so mad that you would jump on my bed and try and beat on me, but you were too small and you couldn't.

And I would just sit there and laugh. That's true. I'd hit you, and once in a while, I hit you good. Yep. And then you get mad and just beat the piss out of me. I don't remember beating you up really good. No, no. You punched me once and I'd cry.

Oh. So it wasn't really beating me up. You just punched me once. I think I just pushed them. I think I was enough of what was where I just cried. I think I know where Sean's going to probably take this one when it's his turn. So I won't tell that story. About the laugh.

I'm sure about the laugh. Sean always tells the story about the time when he was most freaked out when we're living in the same. I woke up one night. You see? I told you. woke up one night to Harley giggling. Harley and me had bunk beds, all right? We had bunk beds.

Harley on top. Chris cross. Yeah, that's right. Chris cross. So I was like, parallel to each other. Yeah, my feet stuck out and Harley was on top. Anyways.

And I woke up to Harley giggling like a little school girl. I was like, like I was petrified. Harley talked to sleep every night for the record. True. Harley did talk and he snored like, like no man. He still snores like no man.

Steph knows what I'm talking about. Yeah. And finally I was like, Harles, what are you laughing about? And I thought, like, I thought he was sleep talking. So I was kind of expecting no answer. And he's like, I was just thinking of a Simpsons episode. It was pretty funny. And then he, like, kind of rolled over, went back to sleep.

And I was like, the hell was that? And I must have stared at the bottom of the bunk for, like, the rest of the night. Like, this is terrible. No wonder I have phobias of the freaking dark. Harald is snoring. He's snoring. He's talking to sleep. and even when it is talking to sleep,

he's got this little crazy cackle and he's laughing at like two in the morning to a Simpsons episode. Like, what the hell is that? The only thing I can think of other than that is I don't know how many times my bed was perpendicular to Sean's above his and so we'd be like wrestling

and you'd like jump down from one bed down onto the next and I don't know how many times we had done this before in the past but eventually, obviously you do it enough time, and broke through the bed and I remember mom just coming unglued on us because I remember doing that once. And we had so much fun, but like chasing after each other,

one guy would get up, the other guy would get up, you'd jump down onto the bottom bunk and right through the bunk. Oh, fuck. Sorry, Mom. We broke that host a lot. Yeah, we did.

There's still golf ball dimples at the top. of the stairs in that house. Glass missing out of the chandelier. The old piano just bruised and battered. It could tell a story. It could write a novel. The thing about that old piano is it made a perfect net.

A perfect net. Couldn't get any better. The sides of it made posts. And the crossbar was the keys. That's right. It was the perfect net. So how couldn't you play hockey in that? It's where I got my radio start.

Because when I was super little, I wasn't allowed to play, but I could narrate the game. So everybody would be playing at Jay's cross checking them. Oh my goodness. Get the parents in here already. I remember that. That was Graff. No, no. The thing about that was, is set up the coaches.

You could body check into the coaches. I remember playing, and the rule we made was because Jay was way bigger than Sean. Jay couldn't hit Sean. But I could run Jay as hard as you can. Wait. But Jay was on his knees. Jay was on his knees. Jay was on his knees.

And the rule we made was, I think Jay came up with this, is that Jay could hit Sean. But he couldn't hit Sean. What he could do is. crouched down behind him so when Sean was backing up with the ball he could actually fall over the Jay's back he could like you know take him out at the knees essentially so that was the one that was the one way that Jay could not cooking me all I can think of during this entire time is this one story and Sean and I would go down we each have our practices we come back after school we we come back.

Dustin had been at some tournament. He just got home. He was spent. Jay had been sitting at the house all day long. Oh, yeah. You guys been playing hockey? Yeah? You guys want to play a little floor hockey?

No. No, none of us want to play floor hockey. No, I think we should play floor hockey. I'm excited. Let's play some floor hockey. Huh. Well, no, I'm starting to think, well, maybe I'm I don't want to play a little floor hockey.

Sean, you want to play a little for hockey? I don't care. Whatever. Dust, you want to play for hockey? No, I've played like three games all day long. I'm not playing no floor hockey. Come on, Dust. Let's play a little floor hockey.

Jay just keeps egging them on. Aging them on. Fine. Play some floor hockey. You guys all want to play floor hockey. Fine. Jay. Dust, go get the pads.

I'm not going to get the pads. Who goes and gets the pads? Dusta goes and gets some pads. the pads. This is J to a T right here, folks. Still trying to get Harley to bring the ice to to the studio. I still fucking hate him to this day because of that, for the record.

Because it's all true. A lot of that's true. The only thing not true about that story is I wasn't necessarily saying it at home because I was as active as you guys. But yeah, that rest is true. Dustin, the thing I think about dust, I got one funny story but that one is I pulled Dustin down to the basement to play floor hockey or in the living room to play floor hockey or outside to play ball or we used to play

this little kind of football with a round ball with the old trailer and dad would stand behind the cement sidewalk and i could go for hours i was probably a little bit like shay like i just go right and so of course dust couldn't didn't have the stand-in-law but i just made him go you know what's funny about that jay i'm a dad now to a son and my son is an awful like like like me he'll sit there and read books He'll play games. He's a thinker, right? Yeah. What's funny about that...

Does he get annoyed by being called the engineer? He'll probably be an engineer. Will he get annoyed by that? But I will say this. Dust. There's many days where I'm like... Didn't answer my question, Dust. So I'm sitting there and I'm watching him like, hey, Owen, let's go outside.

Let's play some ball. He'll go, no. I'm like, no, you're fucking coming to play some ball. And he's like, No, I don't want to. I'm like, no, but you're fucking going to. You play some ball. And he's like, but I don't want to.

Like, but you need to, kid. Get outside and play some ball. And all I can think of is, fuck, I've become my brother. And I hate Jay even more for it because of it. The one funny story I have is when we were down to basement, I was probably about 11, so Dustin had been about 8.

Maybe I was 10 and dust was seven. That seems to fit right. And so again, like Dust says, I actually used to read a lot is one of the reasons I stayed up so late. Just about burnt my pill in the house down one time, but that's a different story. So, do you read? All the time. I read the whole Hardy Boy series. So we're, I'm not as saying something.

Right there, folks. Right there. Props to anyone who knows what the Hardy Boys is. So I'm sitting there. and it's Christmas Eve and mum used to come down with the stocking and a little present right? She put one in the dresser

Don't tell the rest. Don't tell the rest. And so Of course I stay up late Dust, you know he's sleeping away downstairs She comes down about 1130 I see her come down I wait five minutes till she's gone upstairs Everybody's settled

And I go and I rush down to Dustin's bottom bunk Because we're on bunk beds in This is the biggest assholes thing you could ever do to someone I wake him up and I go dust it's Christmas Look at the presents. I'm so innocent. And Dustin seven years old is just excited. So he rips open.

So he rips open his stocking, right? And I'm, let's go up the stairs and see what there is. So he, of course, races ahead of me. I don't follow him. He goes up the stairs. And all I can hear is just mom, just giving it to him. All the way back to him. Poor Dust, Christmas Eve, crying all the way back to his bed.

I don't know why I found that funny. I cried myself to sleep without a lie. For sure. How do you go from that? I got one more story before you go if you want, Sean. Well, we've been stuck on this topic for like half an hour, so what's another two minutes? Sure, fire away.

I remember Jay and I used to play a lot of ball together. And I'd pitch to him and he'd pitch to me and we'd figure out some system as to whether a ball was a single, double, triple, home run kind of thing. And I just remember one night we were playing at the new house. And I go, Jay, I can't even see the ball coming in. Like, we got to quit because it's starting to get dark out. You know, just dusk, right?

But to pick up the ball, you got to see it coming in, right? And it was just starting to get a dusk where I couldn't actually see the ball coming in. And I tell Jay this and he goes, oh, you can still see it. You're fine, right? And about five pitches go by. And then he throws one. and I didn't move and it hit me in the it hit me in the skull

like hit me just straight in the temple. Ever since then we were playing with tennis glasses we were playing with tennis balls anyhow I didn't even move or just hit me because I couldn't actually see the ball I wasn't lying I couldn't actually see the ball coming in

and he hits me inside of the head and I start crying because I'm you know whatever and Jay goes yeah it's probably time to quit then and we go inside go ahead Sean If you're traded from a team. Do you got a story about Harles or are you just...

I told him the cackling. The cackling. Glad you're listening. Hopefully somebody's still listening out there. If you were traded from a team, a team you've played on. So this has to be a real-life person. You can't say, oh, I was playing Picksburg and I want to be traded with Crosby. I'm saying if you were traded from a team and could pick one guy,

and go back as far as you want, what would be the one guy you'd want to be traded with you in the deal? I don't want to start. I actually really enjoyed playing defense with Colcost Riva. So I would probably take Riva. You hardly played D for like three games. He's picking defense? I'm saying Riva.

I'd like to take Riva. Everybody enjoys Riva on the team. No one likes to play D with Riva. He's a good roommate. guy. I enjoy the show. He drinks a beer. I was going to say, it's a no-brainer for me.

Played with a lot of good people over the years. But never in my career did I ever play with a guy as many years as brew. So if I could take brew with me and have the one-two punch, put it over like eight seasons. You fed them a lot of one-timers.

A lot of one-timers. I was kind of lost. No offense to Duds. If Duds is the list, this. He did a great job, but Brue, I could throw it anywhere by the end, and he just one time that thing hammered home. I think Marty Britton,

if you actually want to see Marty Britton and I working well together, go on YouTube. Google. YouTube. Are you kidding me? I was going to say, I was going to say this. Like, where did you guys play well enough that you guys need to throw?

I was going to say this. The other person, Mum's listening still? Marty still listening. You know, hey Marty, Shout out to you, buddy. I know you've been cursing at the radio, but it has all been for not, I mean, it's all been for everything right now because Dustin is going to throw you some love.

Okay, so Google Kid Scotty Monarchs and what you'll see is Marty Britton, him and I playing with the Kid Scotty Monarchs, Marty Britton gets the puck, throws it up the boards, I'm flying, because that's all I can do in hockey.

He throws it up the boards behind me, I skate into it, grab it. And there it is, folks. Walk down the line, go top shelf, far side. True story. Oh, this is like old school, Hillman jerseys. Look at those. I think that's Bob Lindsay.

You know what's funny about that is... Why, you could talk. You could talk to this. Well, I'm just... Anyhow. This is in... I'm waiting for it here. I'm waiting for it here.

I didn't realize how lazy I was until I actually watched the video. I'm like, I'm lazy. I'm the lazy guys on the ice. But Marty throwing the puck up the boards. This is a 10-minute video dust. Shoot far aside, top shelf scores for the win. So what you're saying is I need to fast forward to the end. Marty and I have a six cents for each other on the ice.

So you're saying Marty Britt. Marty Britt. We'll see. Listeners, Kitt Scottie Monarchs, YouTube, you'll find it. Where you go? Jay, where you go? That is probably my pinnobes. of my heart.

I just, Jay, I just shut this down already. I just lost a couple minutes of my life. There it is. There it is. That was it. That was it. That was it. Oh, my gracious.

I'm going to be very clear. If you pause this and didn't listen to me right now, I apologize for my brother. Do not go search that video because it is not that good. I go top shelf far side streaking down the wing. That is just beautiful. I don't even have come in. You know, Jesus.

Jay, do you have any videos of you scoring on YouTube? I don't think you do. No, I didn't grow up in the YouTube bar. So we got Cold Cost Revo. We got Brewman. We got Marty Britton. Who is Jay getting traded with? I don't know.

You know, I didn't play a lot of senior. So, I mean, I didn't, you know, I didn't, I don't know who I'm getting traded with. You played on a line with Travis Clayton. Yeah. And I mean, I probably had, I probably had the most fun, you know, in minor hockey playing with Trave because he was just such a great hockey player. And it's kind of like the old saying right now with McDavid, right? You know, Bob Stauber says he could score 25 playing with McDavid.

And it was kind of the same for me. I mean, you played with Travis back then. You know, it didn't matter who. You know, if it was me or Ty Kerr or who it was, I mean, you know, everybody's throwing a goal in when you're playing with Clayton. And so probably, you know, he was one of the funest guys I've ever played with. Yeah, I should get on here. Here's your final question.

All right? We're going to put a bottle on this one. All right, the next time we do this, okay, here it is. Name the player who is going to lead the playoffs with the most points. The person who does the worst off of this, we're going to hold ourselves accountable, brings the next bottle, all right? And we already did paper, rock, scissors. J-1, we're going to go counterclockwise, so it'll go J-Shon, Dust, Harley.

That's clockwise. Big Man, Golden Child, Engineer, the Bird Band. All right? I go first. Okay, so I'm thinking Tampa Bay and Vegas in the finals, and Vegas wins the cup, but Kuturoff leads the playoffs and scoring from Tampa. Well, I'm going to go against myself a little bit

because I picked Emmington Vegas in the West. I'm going to pick McDavid. I'm just, I'm going to do it. Who did you pick in the finals? Vegas and Washington. So you're saying McDavid's going to lose out in the, conference finals and still lead the league in scoring. I'm saying in order for the Oilers to get there,

what you're saying is, what you're saying is McDavid has six points already, and you're just going to go with him. Like, he sounds like my 10-year-old brother right now. You know, it doesn't matter who I picked to get to the finals or anything else, but McDavid's going to lead him to score. He might lose in the first round,

but McDavid's going to win it. Just because McDavid is my favorite player, and I love McDavid. For the record, if Sean did pick him, I was going to pick him. Hey, if I lose this and have to buy a bottle because I got McDavid and I get to cheer this. All I can think about right now is,

Somehow, I know Jay is just trying to screw us because it's like when you had those hockey trading cards and he'd be like, yeah, you don't like that guy. Oh, that's Wayne Grexie. Yeah, no, he's no good. Oh, yeah, I'll give you Esotikinen and a bag of pox for Wayne Grexie. And then meanwhile, you're going, how is Jay trying to screw me? I'm really not sure how he's trying to screw me, but I know he's going to trade carding for all you young ones listening is you. is you trade volume. So if you can trade,

so you get a good player like Gretzky or nowadays you get like McDavid, trade five or six, especially find out who their favorite team is. So Sean really like Detroit. So you find four or five Detroit players and then he will literally give you anything. Right?

Because he's getting four or five of his favorite team. It's a no-brainer. If he must learn anything of this, don't trade anything with Jay. Yeah, that's right. That's right. Everybody knows this. I was going to take,

McDavid just because oh so didn't oh yeah thanks Jay did you pick the others in the final no I didn't like what is going on here pick them in the West final but I think but there's so now I got my eight-year-old brother like like I picked Emmington to win the cup and I'm not even in the conversation here because it's not even my turn oh my god so we got McDavid like who's even listening right to Cootroft Cootroff McDavid I'm gonna take Sebastian Aho. That's a better pick. You picked him to go to the finals.

Yeah, I did. I did. So I'm going to take. How do you go against the leading score in the league? Do we got a five-minute story on this? No. Leon Drysidal.

There you go. Leon Drys. Comes back and beats McDavid and scoring. Yes. And the orders win to cut. Oh, there's one to cut. Wow. That's the only way it's happening.

The magical story of the moment, folks. All we need is Chicago to be in a vote. Ask me not to give you a five-minute story, and you're trying to egg me on to give you a five-minute story here. Just do your damn pick already. 87 flyers and oilers. Here we go. Dry saddle leads consmite. You know what I love about this?

Is it whenever the oilers lose out, dry saddle is probably going to have less points than McDavid, which means that Harley is already decided that Sean is not losing. Thank you. So with that, how do I, can I pick McDavid at the same time? No. I can't. I'm picking somebody else. I don't know. Do you got some balls or Harles to pick another team? I picked Emmington to win the fucking cup.

Don't talk to me about balls. He's picked my best player off my best team. You know what? I'm picking a win the cop. I'm saying this. I think Sean picked McDavid just to get under Harley's skin. You know what's great about this? Finally, Sean has found a way to press somebody else's button instead of us all

pressing his button. You know what I love about this is Harley brought the bottle tonight. he's also going to bring the bottle the next time who are you picking jay let's get it on the record I picked coot you're off I'm going to go stampco's Harley's all wound tight folks

don't don't listen to him thanks for tuning into this the episode number four of the round table it'll probably be another year before we decide to come back in here but it's been a lot of fun especially if I got to buy another ball buy a bottle before then for sure Harley will be buying a bottle

before then. Let's be honest Steph needs to buy Harley a bottle so that he can bring it so You're a good woman Steph. I can't even say enough. I got no comment on that. I just don't even know where to go

with that. We'll talk to you all later. Hey folks, thanks again for joining us today. If you just stumble on the show and like what you hear, please click subscribe. Remember, every Monday and Wednesday a new guest will be sitting down to share their story.

The Sean Newman podcast is available for free on Apple, Spotify, YouTube, and wherever else you find your podcast fix. Until next time. That's pretty good. I think I like your guys' intro is better than the engineer. You're an engineer. No, I realize that, but... What do you want?

The smart one? The bird man? The bird man? He got the bird man from... I know. What you're saying is I got to do something stupid at some point. The smart one? I don't know.

No, engineer's fine. What are we even complaining about? You're just complaining to complain. It's already started. That's correct. That's correct.