Shaun Newman Podcast - #1034 - Zoltan Kiszelly & Balint Somkuti

Episode Date: April 15, 2026

Zoltán Kiszelly is a Hungarian political scientist and one of the country’s leading conservative analysts. He serves as Director of the Center for Political Analysis at the Századvég Foundation, a prominent Budapest-based think tank closely aligned with Viktor Orbán’s long-governing Fidesz party. Bálint Somkuti is a Hungarian military historian, author and security policy expert with a PhD in military sciences from the National University of Public Service. A former lecturer at NKE and research professor at the Mathias Corvinus Collegium’s Geopolitical Workshop. Watch the Cornerstone Forum 26’https://shaunnewmanpodcast.substack.com/Silver Gold Bull Links:Website: https://silvergoldbull.ca/Email: [e-mail] Grahame: [phone]Bow Valley Credit UnionBitcoin: www.bowvalleycu.com/en/personal/investing-wealth/bitcoin-gatewayEmail: [e-mail] Get your voice heard: Text Shaun 587-217-8500

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Our first guest is a Hungarian political scientist and one of the country's leading conservative analysts. The second guest, a Hungarian military historian author and security policy expert. I'm talking about Zoltan Kizeli and Balant Samkuti. So buckle up. Here we go. Welcome to the Sean Newman podcast today. I'm joined by Zoltan Kizeli and Baylant Sampkutti. Gentlemen, thanks for hopping on.

Hi. Hi. Thank you very much for this chance. Now, Baylant, you were on episode 949, so if people want to go back and listen to your story, I just direct them to pause, go back, listen to that. But Zoltan, it's your first time on the podcast. So if you can, just give a synopsis of who you are for the Western listener, because I'm going to assume they've never heard of you before.

Hi, welcome. I hope they heard some news from me. I am Zoltan Kissela. I am 55 years of age. I am political scientist. I studied in Budapest, Berlin and Bonn. I was a scholar to the German Bundestag, to the German parliament. As a student, I was invited by the U.S. State Department for a study tour during the midterm elections, 2006 in the U.S.

After later, I was an OSCE election observer in Kosovo and in Russia at the Russian presidential elections in 2004. And I worked at several foundations, political think tanks in Hungary. like the one was named from the first prime minister of Hungary after 1990 Mr. Antal, so the Antal Foundation. And later I know currently I'm working with the Sazadevik Foundation. It's a pro-government, let's say no pro-Fidess think tank founded by Viktor Orban, the outgoing prime minister himself. So I'm a political analyst, political scientist, dealing with international issues, domestic issues. And my first foreign language is German.

So excuse me for my English is school English. I try my best. I think you sound comments. The thing is on this side, I think you both sound great. So I don't think you have to be concerned about your English at all. And where people could hear from me, where they could read my opinion. So I quoted during election times, so every four years by the BBC this time, by the economist this time. and also by Reuters.

Sometimes they ask even the opinion of some conservative scholars, not only the liberals and globalist ones. Well, let's talk about Hungary. Let's talk about Orban and the defeat. You know, out here, I've heard lots of different things. You two can probably, Valent, feel free to hop in on anything Zoltan says. But Zoltan, walk us through the election in Hungary. First, maybe some words about.

election system. We have a mixed election system. There are 199 seats in the parliament, and there are 106 single constituencies where one single candidate got elected. It's a majority vote, and then we have 93 seats which were distributed on nationwide party lists. It's a proportional distribution of the seats. So we have two ways to get a mandate. And at the last four elections, the Fidesz party in coalition with the Christian Democrats, they got a two-third majority in parliament. And this time it's also a two-third majority, but for a new party, for the so-called TISA party, which is an acronym consisting of respect and love. And once you combine these two parts of the verse, beginning parts of the verse,

you came to the name of Tisa, which is a river in Hungary. So it's a new party and from the scratch party which was founded by a former Fidesz guy who was in the Fides party. His former wife, he got divorced, was the Minister for Justice. She was the current opposition leader's former wife was Minister for Justice. And she was the lead candidate for the 2014 European elections of Fides. And no, he left the Peter Magar is the name of this guy. He left Fidesz party, set up his new party from the scratch, and he collected all the disappointed voters, the opposition voters,

and he generated some kind of protest, promised that he will be no corrupt, he will re-approach the European Union, he will have no conflicts with the West, and more conflicts or distance himself from the East. And so he managed to get in, he started his party in February 2024, And at the June 2020, for European elections, he got some 30%, 1.3 million votes. And this time, two years later, he managed to increase this number of 1.3 million voters to above 3 million. A Fidesz party had four consecutive two-thirds majorities. But this time, the protest was diverted against the government.

The party lost some 500,000 voters since last elections. and the opposition could attract the youths to show up at the elections. So this time it's a win for the opposition. Mr. Orban, who was a prime minister of Hungary for five times, one time earlier, and four times continuously. He has no to leave power, and his party will be the major opposition party. Now, we have all right parties in the Hungarian parliament one, it's maybe a far-right party or patriotic or national party.

Then we have Fideles, which is maybe the biggest, used to be the biggest right party and a moderate right party, the TISA party with the new governing party. Maybe one last one. Tisa party is a member of the European People's Party, which is the biggest party family in Europe, also inside the European Parliament. And the most prime minister's heads of government in Europe are member of this party family. So Mr. Maggi joins this party family where the most European heads of government are members of, like the German, Chancellor, the Polish Prime Minister. And Fidesz joins the Patriots for Europe, where the major opposition parties in Europe are members of, like Marine Le Penz party, the Freedom Party in Austria, or the Dutch Party of the Freedom, or Matteo Salvini's Liga. So, we have big parties in their respective countries. And so we have these three parties.

And Miha Zhang, the more right party, they are members of the Europe of sovereign nations party group in the European Parliament. with the German AFD together. Okay. That was a lot. And I'm sitting here going, I struggle to keep up to Canadian politics. And I was just saying to balance,

like as I sit here this morning, the liberals here in Canada just got their majority through three by-elections. So Carney here, we got our own stuff going on. For a Canadian, everything you just rattle off.

what I hear is Hungary just got a brand new government that started in February 2024. That's the new party from a guy who used to be a part of the ruling government whose divorced wife was a part of that said government. What does this mean for Hungary? What does this mean for like what does the new version mean? There's a lot of different stories I'm hearing out west. From your views, what does it mean? Just a quick, note to that the two-third means that the supermajority has been achieved, which means that the no ruling government and the previous ones could alter even the constitution. So basically the basic foundations of Hungary and democracy can be altered through this concentration

of power. What this means is Hungary is that we have come to a conclusion of a freedom fight, which has lasted basically 11 years. And what I have to say is that this election, like Zoltan said, has been basically lost by Fides and not really won by TISA. Because this is a completely new party with very opaque imaginations and ideas about how to rule the country. We don't know too much. There have been various press conferences, but you know, words can fly away as we say it.

So we still know very little about what and how will they do it. One thing is for certain they will stop doing, contradicting the European Union in every single possible way. So that's thing for sure. But what will that mean in practice that remains to be seen? What I would like to say is that the outgoing prime minister is a political genius. I mean, I usually compare him to Napoleon. And basically his rule also lasted like 16 years, just the same as Napoleon,

who came to power in 1799 through the coup of Brumere and was ousted by after the Battle of Waterloo. And basically what we see is also a 16 year of continuous victory. by the Fides and Mr. Orban, but I think his time has gone up. I mean, basically, he has done everything he could, and at the end, he fought basically all the world around him. So we fought the European Union, before the Ukrainians, and at the end, 11 years of freedom fight has, how should I say, has brought its, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, change, but how change this, how big this change will be, it remains to be seen. 11 year freedom fight forgive me for doing quick math but that's 2015 what uh you you mentioned he's in power for 16 years

what is it 11 years ago that starts i know what happens here in canada 11 years ago this guy named justin trudeau gets elected but when you say it's a freedom fight for 11 years what happened 11 years ago that it really i don't know tensions or you know i don't know use your word freedom fight Yeah. So this, these Canadians, be careful by joining the European Union. Tell me, tell me about it. Listen, I sit in Alberta, Zoltan.

I want nothing to do with what Ottawa is doing currently. Carry on. No, you know, also the Berlin mentioned Napoleon, but also Wilson Churchill used to be also a big statesman. And he used to say, never waste the chance which a crisis bears in itself. So you should use every, every crisis to deepen the cooperation inside the European Union. It's called in the Brussels language, ever closer union. So it's like to deepen the integration and they use every crisis for that. At 2015,

we had a migration crisis where many around 1.2 or up to 1.5 million people from Turkey started to migrate towards Europe. And because there were harsh conditions, international relief organizations reduced the subsidy for refugees in Turkey, who lived there in huge numbers. And then they migrated towards Greece, and then from Greece on the best, West Balkan route also to Hungary. And then the European Union decided to welcome these migrants. Then they wanted to use the influx of migrants to deepen cooperation. That means they wanted to introduce a relocation

quota for migrants for all member states. Once you distribute these people in all of the member states, then you need unique or unified living conditions like 25 square meters of living space for an adult and let's say 10 to 15

square meters for a child, you need $1,000 euros subsidies for a family that they don't migrate from one country to another country. if you get in all of the countries 1,000 euros of subsidy or social benefits, then you wouldn't migrate to another country because you get also 1,000 euros. Though they wanted to unify these conditions, and then once you transfer your power to the decision-making center, to the European Union, then you have nothing to decide about.

And they wasted the chance of the Euro crisis, of the sovereign debt crisis in 2011. Then they used this migration crisis. And you know, in our part of Europe, we are, let's say, we, We are tolerant towards other religions. We are respecting other religions. But in Europe, in Hungary, we want to have our own religion. We are Christians and we welcome Muslim tourists, but we don't want to have parallel societies or no-go zones. That means they are welcome to come to Hungary as tourists.

They are welcome to Hungary as guest labor. But we don't want to have that infrastructure which was set up in Western Europe, like Hamams and imams and all the stuff, which can radicalize the people. So that's why we don't want to let illegal migrants in. And this was the start of the freedom fight in 2015, as Orban stood up against the influx of illegal migrants. And he set up something similar as Donald Trump did during his first term as president. That means you have a fence, you have a border fence, a big, big wall, as Donald Trump called it.

And you have a jurisdiction fence. That means in the European Union you can apply for a asylum when you knock on the door. They let you in. And once you have a good narrative, like you are minor, you are homosexual, you are a converted Christ, a Christian, you are Sudanese, you are Syrian, you are Afghani. Then we have to let you in, and then we have to prove that you are lying. And so it's very difficult once you are in, we can't push you back because we have to prove that you are from Afghanistan. the Taliban, they don't want to take back anyone. So it's very hard.

And Orbán introduced this system of physical fans and judicial fans of legal protection. And Orbán's policies were similar to Donald Trump's policies, stay in Mexico. You can stay in Mexico, apply in Mexico, and we decide about your application. And once you get approved, you can enter legally. And we say the same, and make your application at the embassy in Belgrade, which is safe in Serbia. and once we approve your application, then you can enter. And the European Union wanted to use this migration crisis as a tool for deepening the integration, for a federalization.

And since them, they try difficult different tools. Right now they are using these war bonds for Ukraine, like 90 billion euros for Ukraine, then 700 billion U.S. dollars for Ukraine. as a Hamilton moment, as Alexander Hamilton used in the US to 1,802, to take over the debt of the then 13 independent states in name of the federal government for a transfer of power to the federal government. No, the European Union tries the same with war bonds. They are issuing war bonds in name of the European Union. And then once we have three of us right here has common debt, we need common income to pay off the debt. And so they played the same game. Orban was opposing the migration quota.

He was opposing the war points. He was opposing the sanctions on Russia. So he had a parallel policy. And it was very popular in Hungary. It was popular among some European member states' population. The German population, for instance, they want to have Russian energy, which is cheaper than the LNG from overseas or from the Gulf.

And so he was very popular. His policy was very popular among the many European people, but not popular among the European people, but not popular among the European governments. Okay. So I go, what's the freedom fight? You guys go directly to immigration and the flood of it, mass immigration across Europe. So if I fast forward to 2026 and you say it's the end of the freedom fight, does that mean the new government coming in is going to align more with EU policies,

which is going to see more and more immigrants come into Hungary? We don't know yet. The thing is that we had a very similar situation in Poland, where there was a party called PIS, which had very similar views to Fides and Orban. And they were replaced by a more EU-oriented party led by Donald Tusk, not Trump, Donald Tusk. And it's also funny to mix those two personalities. And we haven't seen it in Poland. I mean, there has been a minimum influx of migrants into Poland, but they verbally, they aligned much better than the previous government.

What I said is the end of the current freedom fight that we are opposing the EU in not just migration, also LNBTQ, also walk issues like gender issues and stuff like that. So basically, that was a fight against walkism on a grand scale. And Mr. Orban was the first politician to start this open fight against these things. And I always keep telling that we are the rebellious Hungarians. And the Germans have a different turn because the rebellious and they say it with despise. And those people are always rebel. They just can't just sit on your butts and obey the orders.

That's what we are. And that was a very popular move by the Fides government to play on these historical experiences of Hungary. Hungary, that we are always resisting foreign powers, trying to impose new habits, new requirements on us which are against our traditions and stuff like that. So basically what we saw is that this freedom fight was gaining more and more momentum with every new area that was opened, from opposing LNBTQ staff to unsupporting NGOs, which were only woke NGOs were supported from Norwegian and EU money. And this was also opposed by the government.

They used riot police to raid those offices of these NGOs. And that was also a big outrage in the West that hold their day to go against the common issues with the police force. So this was something also very well received in Hungary. So if you're sitting in Hungary, right, they just got a super majority, correct? Yes. So what is it the new party or Orban's party did in this election? I, you know, like if I could bring it back to Canada, when Carney got elected, he played on the elbows up, right?

He went back to historical Canadian hockey loving people and used Donald Trump as the enemy and did this like thing that I just watched for three months. In three months, he turned, it's going to be a conservative majority to a liberal minority. to a liberal minority and what has it been a little over a year and now he has a liberal majority right so in Hungary

you know like I'm listening to Orban and I'm going oh that makes a lot of you know I'm sitting here boys I'm going that makes a lot of sense okay yeah you're you're standing up to the okay so what was it that was done to the Hungarian people

that they're like I'm tired of Orban first that has been 16 years of Orban government Imagine people were growing up having Mr. Orban as prime minister. I was growing up in Germany, in East Germany, and then we had Helmut Cole as a chancellor or others later on they had Angela Merkel for 16 years as chancellor. She stepped down. Cole wanted to go for four more years in 1998, but then he was losing elections.

First, maybe some people were tired of Obama, and second, once he got rid of. re-elected, then he would stay in power for four more years. And maybe some people who had enough of him, of his system, they told, no, it's like Olympics. One, you are not at Olympics, you have to wait for four more years. And so many people think it was enough. And second, you know, the challenger, the Mr. Magar, with his brand new party, he came from inside the system. So he promised he still has to deliver, but he promised that he will keep, in some way, some of the achievements of the current policy. But you get a new urban system without corruption and without urban.

So this is maybe many people are hoping for that. And we have some special issues. Like many youngsters showed up at the elections. As we know in US, for instance, Bernie Sanders, he was then 75. Or Jeremy Corbyn in the UK, he was 73. They promised to skip the student loans for the, youngsters and then they were enthusiastic for these politicians. And in Hungary, we had some issues that the current government is fighting drug consumption.

And maybe some locals and very popular places were also like raid by the police searching for marijuana and light drugs or party drugs. And so many, many popular locals in all over the country were closed. And many youngsters were upset that the policy or the state is interested. feeling in your private life, you should have to write to decide by yourself whether to consume drugs or not. Of course, drugs are illegal in Hungary, but it was maybe seen by many youngsters as an interference in their private sphere. Of course, the NGOs and the globalists, they played this card, so they managed to have many concerts and all of them during the summer, and we had a

big, huge concert for the youngsters some days before elections. Then they could shout, yes, dirty, Fides, dirty Fides, but so this is one. Second, because for the last four years, Hungary's EU funds were frozen. 17 billion, 1,7 billion euros of EU funds which are due to Hungary,

they were frozen in, and that means for the last four years we had little economic growth because from that money, local hospitals should be refurbished or schools or road constructions and these would be contracts for local entrepreneurs. And these local entrepreneurs, hadn't had major contracts for the last four years.

So they shifted from the current government to the opposition, hoping for a change to the better. And Peter Maggiard, the challenger, he promised to bring back the frozen assets to Hungary and then a new economic prosperity would start. So people, as Orban was confrontational towards the European Union, and there was no chance for him to turn and to bring back these EU funds. So the hope diverted towards the challenger, and then he promised to take back these EU funds,

and that would mean for you as a rural entrepreneur, construction entrepreneur, that you will get a contract. And for the last four years, it doesn't have any big contracts. So we have plenty of reasons, and maybe some people was thinking that, okay, we had a stable prosperity, we had a good life, we have no migrants, no crimes, no crime, utility costs, low taxation, and it can be only better. So they took everything for granted, and it can't come into their mind that things can change. Things can change. And not only to the better, but also to the worse. And so people were assuming that, okay, we have something, we have a level, and it can be only better.

And we will see for that. Maybe if you allow me only one word to the migration. because Poland got an exemption from the obligatory migration distribution quota, which starts this summer. Because the Russians and the Belarusians push migrants to Poland, and because of that, the Polish government got an exemption from the distribution quota. And now Hungary has an 80 million, 80 million euro penalty from the European Court of Justice, and a one million dollar a day, one million euro a day penalty for not obeying with European Union migration regulation. And now this obligatory quota will start in June, and that means you have to take over

some migrants from the front states, from the entry places. And it's no limit on this. It's an open limit. That means if you don't take over a migrant from Greece or Italy, then you have to pay 20,000 euros penalty to that country which accepts the migrant. So maybe this could be a chance. I think Prime Minister Orban would have made the same that, okay, to obey with European migration regulation, but not to take over the person, the humans, but to pay 20,000 euros

to that state which is ready to accept them. And so you are obeying the European Union's regulation, you don't have migrants in your country, illegal migrants in your country, but you pay 20,000 euro penalty for each migrant you doesn't, you hasn't taken over. So I think Peter Maggi, the new prime minister, will have a deal like this, either to get an exemption like Poland or to pay the 20,000 euros, which would be cheaper than the one million euro a day and the 80 million penalty. Oh, man. May I ask something? I think that's the only point where we diverge with Zoltan about the about what went wrong. Basically, right after the election, one of the so-called, what is it called

experts of the Hungarian government, Austria-Ferrancy wrote a very sharp message on the Facebook and she said that we all know what went wrong. And the unexplainable enrichment of many who became fabulously rich, nepotism and contra-selected, The Udo right wingers. So basically what was a serious mistake is that there were people around the government who got really, really rich in a very short period of time. And that was a joke. There was a guy called Lurinz Meshawsh, and there was a running joke that if he keeps on

getting richer like this, he will be Richard and Elon Musk. And these also contributed. There's no direct proof of corruption. But there was also some people who got to own some of the top 20 companies in Hungary, in four or five years. That's unexplainable. And one thing and the second thing is, which Zoltan obviously cannot speak in his position about this, but I can. I'm an independent analyst. The second thing is there were many conservative people who were hoping for an improvement in life standards under a conservative government because the communist turned liberals turned globalists

has banned everybody from joining a very high-paying position, very prestigious positions. And it hasn't happened. There were career politics, there were communist turn conservatives and all those persons who must she refer to those pseudo conservatives who were given high positions. And that was also an insult to many people. So apart what Zotan said, that was a very personal insult in many people in tens of thousands of conservative voters. And this something had to change. And there were even inside stories that this has to change even after a one. election. Nobody thought that the population has so many insults in themselves. So basically, Fidesk lost 500,000 voters and 500,000 completely new voters came to vote who haven't shown up

in any elections in the last 36 years. That was a good break. So a government was handing out positions. Does that seem shocking? I don't know. Here in Canada, I just feel like we hand out billions like it's no big deal. So I, I, I, I, I don't know. I hear you, Bailant. To me, it seems like it was Martin Armstrong was just on. And, you know, he talks about cycles. When you talk about maybe he'd just been in power too long, right? And they think maybe it can just get better.

I'm like, well. Could be anything. I mean, just just one thing that there was a popular feeling. And that there was a very deep resentment against the government. True or not? We didn't, haven't seen, even the opposition haven't brought up. up any proof about this. There was stories and there was some visible things which were irritating people and annoying people and this has gone through the media. Of course, the globalist

media have sharpened those and they repeated those and there was no correct, no concrete proof of anything, but there was a common, how should I say, belief in people that there's something going in very bad direction. Going back to frozen assets, so under Orban, They, he didn't go along with what the EU wanted. And therefore, they were justified in freezing some of the things that were Hungarians. Like, like, that should have been, uh, awarded to them. I don't know the word that I'm searching for, but essentially they, they withheld funds because or, and the rest of the EU is like, yeah, yeah, you're not getting that money because you're not

going along with the program. Am I oversimplifying that? No, no, it's true. Um, it is, it's the, it's, um, it's the, um, it's the, um, It's the point. It's the meaning of that. That means, of course, it's a formal procedure because the EU implemented a system where each of the 27 member states is screened or monitored alongside criteria, which were set by the global agenda. That means how you fulfill the LNBTQ policy? Are there LNBTQ achievements? For instance, the same-sex marriage. it allowed on the Hungary, it's not allowed. And so the globalist NGOs, they check the globalist agenda in the member states.

And once you don't fulfill it, you get a minus. And forgive me, LMBQ. Just so I'm making sure I'm understanding this, correct. What is LMBQ? LGBT, sorry. It's in Hungarian LNBTQ, it's in English, it's LGBT.

Oh, yeah, yeah, all right. Gentlemen, we got way more. You should see what the Canadian government just said the other day with we got so many letters on that word forgive me i thought that's what you're talking about but i wanted to make sure i clarified it you are right to to specify it it's a woke ideology as well as same means that for instance to allow same sex marriage or that same same same sex couples can adopt children from the from the orphan so it's like this and so they have criteria forgive me right now in hungary that is not a thing no it's it's not allowed but once you have the

maybe you are marrying a same-sex person in an other member state, then this marriage should be accepted in Hungary, which is right now not. And then they claim, okay, we are not obeying with European Union law. It's not that the law implication is not compatible with the other European member states. And so Hungarian same-sex couples goes to other countries and have a marriage there, which is accepted. And they want to have their marriage, let's say, in Belgium, to have naturalized in Hungary.

So they want to circumvent the regulation in Hungary. If I may, I apologize for hopping out. I'm just trying to make this make sense in a Canadian's brain, an Albertan's brain. I sit in Alberta, we have the independence petition going on right now, right? Whether or not we're going to stay in Canada. And what's happening with all the other provinces is there, you know, I don't think there's a portion of the population that thinks you're spoiled, your whiny, all the different things are going on, right?

You know, a premier of a BC called us traders for even suggesting we have this question brought up. Within the EU and Hungary, I just assume you're similar to Alberta in the treatment you're getting for not going along with the LGBTQ, the immigration, and so the other European member states are saying, yeah, I'm not hungry. No, no, no. See, it's legal here, and if we send you a gay couple, you're going to abide by what the European Union's doing. Oh, you're not going to do that? Okay, we're going to withhold your money and you're not going to get it, which then upsets the population because they're going,

we got everything here. But wait a second, where's our money? No, Orban, get our money. And he's going, well, if we get your more money, now we have to allow things you don't want. And now you've voted in a government that is going to try and work out the framework again with the European Union, which could mean immigration, the LGBTQ, which, sorry, LMBQ for the other side of the fence. And they're basically undermining your values and trying to impose their will on you. Correct? Yeah, that's why I said that apart from the story what Zoltan said, that was a lot of said, that was,

there's another side of the story that many people in a middle and lower class if felt that they were abandoned by the urban government and so that i was right that they were not abandoned but they had the feeling and there were stories which were strengthened which were constantly bombarded by the by the global media and but there are some people and that's why i was quoting the former expert of the hungarian government that there were some tendencies which were really irritating to everybody literally everybody and there was no steps taken to stop them. And that tale was spun in a way that at the end, one million people have changed their minds about not voting or for whom voting. And that's the end of the story. And that's

the main point. Well, once again, I assume you gentlemen would agree. I'm going to assume that media played a big role in convincing 500,000 people, I think you said, to change 500,000 new or somewhere in that to come out and vote for the first time. I'd interviewed two men from Sweden on what has been going on in Sweden. And they just talked about the media and how much it's in the people's faces to, you know, the fear's going on there. So when you come back to Hungary, what is this? Like, you guys get your energy from Russia or it doesn't have to be all of it. But you can walk me through this.

Like, if you're starting to align more with the European Union, is there implication on, I don't know, just energy in general? It is. No, imagine it's because of the communist time. Hungary used to belong to the Soviet Union's part of Europe. So they occupied countries and then they set up their own integration, which was called Warsaw-backed in military terms or the Council of Mutual Assistance in Economic Terms. And the pipelines were built in the 80s and in the 1980s. And now we still have these pipelines and Russian energy, as in the Soviet times, is now coming to Hungary on pipelines like gas and oil. And we have nuclear power plant, one old one for 80 years ago. and no the Russians are constructing a second one. And that means we are dependent on Russia energy-wise.

But, you know, a barrel of Russian energy costs $20 less than the Western brand because they can't sell it because of the sanctions, so they give a discount. That means Russian oil is cheaper and it's more like the Venezuela oil for the US. It has more content. So you can get more from one barrel Russian oil than one barrel of African oil because it has more other consistency and other content and that means hungary is for for 60 years we had this russian oil and our refinery is a is set up to to process these russian oil and it's the very same problem with germany with russian gas once you have a molecule coming in for gas molecule the germans

made first fertilizer and then they have side products and from these side products coming from the fertilizer production, you can make glue, you can make plastics, you can make other materials. Once you don't have the fertilizer production, you don't have the side products. And it's the very same with oil. So that means Hungary has a benefit to have Russian oil. And imagine, I'm not allowed to say this, of course I am, but imagine Hungary is the only state in Western Europe, which gets Russian oil for Chinese battery plants. and with the Russian

the Chinese battery plants are run by Russian energy and the Chinese batteries are building German luxury cars and once we don't have Russian energy there is less power for Chinese battery plants and then there's less batteries for German luxury cars

and of course the European Union wants to phase out Russian energy first oil then gas and nuclear power because they are afraid we know there are talks between President Trump President Putin, the economist wrote about it some four weeks ago, that 12 billion US dollar deal that US companies could sell Russian energy to Europe in US dollars. And the European

Commission don't want to have any Russian energy because they think it's the narrative, the pretext, that once you buy Russian energy, you are financing the Russian war effort. But they don't say that France and Belgium and Spain are buying Russian LNG. And once the Western European countries are buying Turkish petrol or Indian gasoline. It's also made from Russian oil, but it's labeled Turkish petrol or India gasoline. So it's Turkish. Believe me, it's Turkish. But they don't, but they want to phase out this Russian energy. And it would be a disadvantage for the Hungarian manufacturing, because now we have plenty of manufacturing. Imagine in Germany, they are closing factories. They are laying off 10,000 industry workers every month. And the Mercedes class A

car manufacturing shifted to Hungary because we have energy, Russian energy, or other German companies closing their plants in Germany and shifting manufacturing to Hungary because we have energy. At once we would get rid of Russian energy, these manufacturing and assembly plants, Chinese battery factories would move to other countries where energy is still plentiful. So this is the problem. We have a thing in German. If you buy it one, regardless which finger you bite, every finger would harm you, would pain,

cause pain. I just feel like, you know, for the everyday average Hungarian, by siding with the EU, you're going to get a whole bunch of ripple effects of that that are not going to be comfortable. I mean,

just go off, you're buying discounted oil and gas. For one, the cost of living is going to go up. I mean, that's just the simple, do they not care about that? Or is there just been such a story

sewn to them that they're more worried about the handout from the EU, that that's going to be better than what they have? Many people are emotional about choices. And the Hungarian democratic traditions were wiped out under 45 years of communism. So unfortunately, we have to relearn it. And the basic fact which Ronald Reagan

formulated that the prostitution may be the first and the oldest profession but the second one is the politician that has many similarities between the two and this is something we have to still have to learn and the thing is that that this was a protest vote in 2010 Fides had a program of course a political program but few people read it we were so fed up with the social liberal government that basically nobody care about what the other party is saying, what the opposition is saying at that case that was Fides, they voted for them. That was basically the first real election supermajority in Hungary in the modern times.

And the same has happened, as strange as it is. I mean, even I can, I struggle to understand it, but the fact is that there were some 2010 wives in Budapest, in major cities and all around Hungary. as strange as it is. And like you say, and people who think instead of being upset and angry wouldn't have voted this way, but they have done because they were upset for a number of reasons. And if you live for five years and the COVID has broken the undeniable development of standards of living in Hungary, but after COVID, there was no visible development in standards of living. For example, you order a pizza in Hungary, you pay the same price as in Germany. And our, you're I mean, our salaries are way below the German ones. Even though, for example, we have the lowest energy prices in Hungary, if you want to buy a house, sorry, if you want to buy a flat in Budapest,

you can buy a two-story villa, not far from the sea in South or Spain for the same price. I just got an offer, a newly built one. I mean, that's outrageous for many people. You can't start a family because you have no way of having your own property and this is something in Eastern Europe having his own your own property is very important for a number of prisons, history reasons, whatever. So for example, the property market is way out of the league. I mean, for example, average price of a flat in Budapest is something like 25,000, 30,000 US dollars, one square meter. So this is this is something

really out of the league for many. So this is all these, all these stuff have led to this thing and this is something you cannot verify with logic. You have to feel or you have to at least try to understand what people have felt. I know we're running out of time here but I was curious. You know, you guys had J.D. Vance, Malay, I think Rubio, all visit. And I was trying to make that make sense in my head because like in a Canadian election, if Vance or Trump came up here, the country would have exploded. Like, I mean, literally, there probably would have been riots on the streets out east and probably celebrations out west, right?

You had some of the, I just, I guess what I'm trying to get to is some of the most influential leaders on the world stage, visit your country before your election, which I guess just sitting here as a common man goes, Obviously, they thought it was very important which way this election went. One of the things that I've heard from different guests on the show is that without Orban in Hungary, the war effort against the Russians is going to have nobody standing in the way. Would you agree with that thought or was there different reasons why Vance, Rubio, Malay would visit?

We have three different events. We had three ones. The first was on 21st of March. It was the CPEC Hungary. It is a conservative political action committee from the US. And they had different sub-events in different places like Korea, Japan. And they had for five years in Hungary. And recently they started in Poland.

So these are these franchise events. And, you know, Donald Trump is not only not popular in Canada, big part of Canada, but also not popular in Hungary because of his tariffs. And he not only wants to have Canada as 50 first state, but also Greenland from Denmark. And in most European countries, Trump is not popular. In Hungary, I think he is not unpopular, but he is not popular neither. So people are most neutral because we are not that affected like Canada is or Greenland or Western Europe is. Imagine and then we had a second event

with the European patriotic leaders like Marine Le Pen and all the others and they don't want it to get pictured, they don't want to share the same stage with American politicians because it's unpopular for them in their respective countries. You know, in France, their next year is

presidential elections and once Marine Le Pen had joined the stage with Vance or with Rubio then her party had no chance to get elected because Trump's tariffs on French champagne and French agricultural products or cars are offending the French people. And same with Spain.

So that means we had a second gathering of European patriotic conservative party leaders. And then we had GD events as a special guest close to the elections. You know, Prime Minister Orban was the first and only sitting prime minister to endorse Donald Trump during 2016 election campaign, it was a huge event that Orban was endorsing Trump because of three reasons. It was concrete reasons. First, stopping of export of democracy, of interfering in other nations' politics. Second was the fight against illegal migration. And the third was a fight against terrorism.

So it were three points. And then, 2004, Orbán was the only sitting head of government in the Western countries who visited Trump. in Mara Lago. After he got his 34 points of conviction from the court in New York, and then he was an outsider and Orban went to him. And President Trump mentioned Victor Orban's name in the U.S. presidential election campaign for 103 times. Because he referred to Orban. He had no other to refer to. But so he referred to to Orban as a sitting president of a medium-sized member state of the European Union. So it was practiced. So they They made the favor, Orban made the favor to them in their elections, and they returned the favor to endorse Orban.

I think when his visit to Hungary was to endorse Orban, and of course they were happy once Orban got re-elected, but he doesn't. So they lost an important ally, a sitting member, the European Council, where the European decisions are made. But they go on. There will be other elections in other European countries. But that's strong relations between U.S. MAGA Republicans and European conservative parties, I think it's seldom. Now, the polls are next. The PIS party is also connected to the MAGA movement. Last year, they had the CPAC Poland.

We have also high-ranking American MAGA Republicans, also members of the administration. And they endorsed the Polish presidential candidate, and he won elections. So I think the MAGA will set their whole. hopes under the Polish PIS party. Do you, if I go back to the war question, do you see hunger, I don't know the inner workings of it, obviously you two would, but I feel like Hungary was standing in the way of money going to Ukraine. Yep.

And now with the change in government, do you see that same standing in that way or is this something that's only going to, they're going to step out of the way and they're going to allow the money to flow to the Ukraine. You know, at West we see military conscription and different stories like that. Like they're bolstering, prepare for war, that type of thing. And Hungary being one of the people saying the calm or the calm voice in the room of we're not doing this. Does any of that make sense in either of your mind? Well, we have to see what's going to happen. Right after the official or semi-official results of the election, the European Union has laid out 27 points to abide by the new Hungarian government in order to get the frozen European assets.

And among them, on the first place, is the support of the 90 billion euro loan to Ukraine. So if you're going to get your money, you have to abide by 27 points. which will be in their support of Ukraine, immigration, the LNBQ, right, all these things. Okay. One final question then before I let you out of here. I'm just always curious. I've been asking everybody about this because you guys are on the other side. Iran.

Hormuz. What is Hungary? What are your guys' thoughts on it? Because you're way away from me. You get different information. It probably affects you way differently than here in Alberta. What are your thoughts on Iran, the U.S., Israel, that neck of the woods, and what's happening there? I'm just writing my second book at all, and my second first book was on the war in Ukraine,

and my second is in the war on Iran. And my theory is to make it short that this war has two root causes. First is the dollarization, and second is decarbonization. The, the, the to get, whether or not the US dollar or the Chinese yuan or the BRICs currency should dominate the 21st century. And you know, the first, the short-term goal of Mr. Trump is to refinance his $11 trillion, 11 trillion U.S. dollars of maturing U.S. treasury debt. That means, once the oil price is going up by $60, then $2.6 trillion U.S. dollars of treasuries will be

redeemed. So they don't leave the US treasuries, but once the oil price increases, then you should keep your US treasuries. And so the biggest bondholders of the US treasuries are Japan, India, European countries, and who is depending

from the oil, from the Gulf, even these countries. And so Japan will not leave the US treasury. So I think he needs this war to refinance this year. And once the oil price goes up, the Japan and India and UK and all the all importing countries will keep their US treasuries for the next years. And so Trump can finance the US debt.

I think it's the short term. It's the short term goal of Trump to use the war, the price of oil to refinance the US budget, the debt. Second, of course, to harm China, they think if they increase the price of gold and the price of oil, then the price of Chinese products will, the Chinese has measures renewable energy I don't want to explain. So the second is to harm China. And third, of course, is to make a deal with Russia, because then you have an oil duopoly with U.S. and Russia as the major oil exporters. And once the Gulf states are out of the business, or they are limited or damaged, or Iran

controls the strait of Hormuz, then Trump and Russia can set the oil price. And in my understanding, Trump wants to make a reverse Kissinger. That means what you can offer Putin as the unlimited money printing by sending American oil and Russian oil to the world to China, to India, to the Europeans. And this is maybe an offer from Trump to Putin to have a G2, the two biggest oil producing countries, a return to the Yalta system. But it's only a theory. I am working on that. Palin, I'll give you the final just in a minute because I know I got to let you guys out. here. Your thoughts? Okay. What I think is that was basically the last kicks of American Hegemony. And even the New York Times said that the Israeli intelligence agencies have set up

their own government as well as the American, thinking that Iran will collapse after a short kick. There's a saying in World War II, the German general thought of Soviet Union is like rotten barn. You have to kick in the door and the whole thing will collapse. That was a major thinking in Israel and the U.S. military and intel circles, which was proven to be completely wrong. So what I see is that the Iranian, not only the Russian oil is going back to the markets, but also the Iranian oil. So what we see here is the significant loss of U.S. soft power and U.S. credibility that will lead to a lot of problems in the near future. So what we're seeing is something like unforeseen and unprecedented. gentlemen i know better than to ask a question like that with about three and a half minutes to go i

appreciate you both coming on maybe we can do it again and and and start there so we can get a little more into it but regardless i appreciate you both hopping on and giving us some insight into the hungarian election um thanks again gentlemen thank you very much