Shaun Newman Podcast - #1036 - Josh Hartum

Episode Date: April 20, 2026

Josh Hartum formerly known as Josh on Topic is a Canadian content creator and truck driver based in Alberta. He leverages his on-the-road experiences to deliver raw, unfiltered commentary on Alberta and Canadian politics, focusing on issues like provincial sovereignty, federal overreach, immigration, crime, and economic policies affecting everyday people. Watch the Cornerstone Forum 26’https://shaunnewmanpodcast.substack.com/Silver Gold Bull Links:Website: https://silvergoldbull.ca/Email: [e-mail] Grahame: [phone]Bow Valley Credit UnionBitcoin: www.bowvalleycu.com/en/personal/investing-wealth/bitcoin-gatewayEmail: [e-mail] Get your voice heard: Text Shaun 587-217-8500

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I'm talking about Josh Hardham. So buckle up. Here we go. Welcome to the Sean Newman podcast. Today I'm joined by Josh Hardham. Sir, thanks for coming out to the studio. Thank you for having me, Sean. I appreciate you having me back on.

Yeah. Well, it's 941. So it's been about 100 episodes. Yeah, roughly. I mean, 1036, I think, is what this will be. So, you know, if you hear some noises in the background, that's Jericho. We got him in studio today doing a little background for an upcoming venture I'm on, as everybody knows, leaving July for a year.

And we're going to see how that goes. But regardless, you know, we've been rattling on all this morning. Where do you want to start? I mean, you're not Josh on topic anymore. Maybe I start there. Yeah, I guess. So, yeah, that happened. I kind of stopped doing the YouTube show.

It was a little bit of an abrupt stop. So some people may wonder where it went. I mean, it wasn't enormous. But yeah, anyways, I just got tired of all of the political stuff, felt God pushing me in another direction. So that's kind of where I'm heading down now. So decided that being cynical, getting a little too angry about politics and everything wasn't really going to change anybody's minds.

So that's kind of, that was a bit of my thinking behind it. So, yeah. Well, I mean, it's hard not to stare at politics and get a little cynical at times. Oh, especially nowadays. I know. But I mean, the way you actually change somebody's mind is if somebody goes from voting liberal to conservative, what exactly is that going to change? That can change a vote that maybe can change an election. So cool, you buy four years. If instead you change somebody's heart or their mind for something true, like something like the message of Jesus Christ, which I did talk about a bit on my

show, but not probably as heavily and people probably didn't see it quite as much through me. But if you change somebody's mind like that, that's the only actual way that you get somebody to change their family and change their and essentially change just the way they are instead of just a vote, which is ultimately a better thing for all of society. Yeah, well, you, so for the folks at home or at work or washing the dishes or wherever else, me and Josh went for breakfast this morning. So we've been going back and forth about this all morning. And I would agree. Like, I mean, at the end of the day, you want to change society. It's start, you know, Jordan Peterson would say, clean your room.

Right. And certainly one higher than that is cleaning up yourself, right? I mean, cleaning your room is an analogy for taking... Get your stuff in order. Get your stuff in order. And, you know, I was telling you this morning, like, started reading the Bible and there's a lot of wisdom sitting in those pages of, you know, where I'd hope a lot of society would start to turn where, you know, you start to like, instead of looking for a political leader to solve all of our problems. You have to realize it starts in the house and that, you know, we all have the ability tomorrow today to just start changing the course of our lives. And as a whole, if we were to do that, where would we go? Probably somewhere great.

Yeah, I mean, like what does the Bible say about it? The human heart is deceitful and wicked. So if you are human, then you can't be perfect. And the first thing about following Christ, realizing there is a God, you are not him. And so Mark Carney's not him. And none of these politicians are him. Donald Trump isn't him? He did post the picture. He depicts himself as Jesus.

And that's why people wonder why the right wing doesn't support Donald Trump anymore. People are sick of this. This isn't the things that they voted for. They voted for somebody who would actually change things. And instead, you get the president who's for no new wars, starting wars, and then depicting himself as Jesus and saying praise Allah on Easter, like that,

that went a little bit while criticizing the Pope. And I mean, I'm not a fan of the Pope. I'm not Catholic. So what do you think Donald Trump's doing? I honestly, I have no clue what he's doing. I think he's pandering to who funds him, like the lobbyists in the United States, A-PAC, all that kind of stuff, starting wars for A-PAC,

not actually working for people. But how does praising Allah on Easter help A-PAC or any of that? Oh, well, so the degeneration and, removal of Christianity is probably the ultimate goal of the devil himself, which is who, basically all these people they serve. Anyone who is not for Jesus is worshipping the devil in some way. I'm not saying they're getting down and they're going, oh, I worship the devil and building shrines and stuff like that. But even the worship of the self, that is like demonic in nature. That is what the devil wants. It's anything that's not Jesus Christ. So the degradation or the attempted

degradation of Christianity is the ultimate goal of all of these people because the it's the only religion that, and it's not even religion, it's a faith, but it's the only thing that the devil didn't create. Whereas you could have like Islam, Judaism, like modern day rabbinic Judaism, all of that, like Hinduism, all of these. This is just worship of the devil. And like the devil's totally fine with all this stuff. He may attack it in small ways and stuff just to kind of make it seem like it's real. But the true assault is on Christianity. So that's where we need more like strong Christians to stand up against this kind of stuff.

And I don't mean violently or anything like that. Just be against it. Hate what is evil. Cling to what is good. That's in the Bible itself as well. When you first saw the picture, sticking on that for a second, were you like many of us that went, man, some staffer must have posted that. What a ridiculous thing to put on. And then I assume you, you know, like all of us, you're playing that thought out.

And then Trump gets asked about it. He's like, no, I post it. Yeah. I feel like he said, yeah, I thought I was red cross. Like I thought a healer. you have people call it him Cyrus and stuff who was like the I think he was one of the or he was one of he was one of if not the only leader of Israel and Jerusalem that was non-Jewish by dissents they're calling him that like they're building this guy up to be something that he's not

he's just a political guy in the United States who isn't even really a politician which I mean fair enough we don't need more like just we don't need more diehard politicians that have career lived their life to be in politics and all that nonsense we just need people who are for the populations of their country, not other countries. And like, I don't really care what happens in the Middle East necessarily. I mean, we can talk a little bit about that. Sure. Well, I don't know. I mean, it's, um, the one thing on Donald Trump for a second. Yeah. He's not a dumb guy. And so I sit and I go, what the heck is he doing? Right? Because like, I mean, look at it. Maybe it's, he's just annoyed with what's going on all

around about it. I mean, he calls it Tucker, Candace, Alex, and Meg and Kelly. Yeah. And a long rant. And you're like, what, what is that about? Well, which that actually upset me a lot because Alex Jones, Tucker Carlson, Candice and Megan, a little less so excited on a list to it. But like, Alex Jones and Tucker Carlson, they've been, they were so pro Trump. They were doing rallies for Trump. Like Alex Jones, like, he did everything for Trump. So I mean, you're not even to have a little bit of like, hey, I'm not just going to go out and attack these people. Like, it's a little bit ridiculous. You can disagree with people. Well, do you think it's scripted then? I don't know if it's scripted. I think he's just crazy. It honestly, like, and I'm not, I'm not saying that from a leftist

perspective because you say, oh, Donald Trump is evil and he's crazy and all this and people think all of a sudden you're a leftist. It's like, ah, no, I'm actually further right than you. So I figure, I don't know, it's, it's, he's just, he's evil. I mean, look at the Epstein files. Look at all the of the things he's doing. Look at all of the wars. He was supposed to be no new wars. People made it clear. We want no new wars. That's why they didn't vote. for Kamala and that doesn't mean I think Kamala would be a better leader for the United States. It's just like, I don't know if your dad goes and drives drunk and crashes the car. You're not going to be like, well, the dog would have been a better driver. It's like,

no, maybe just don't be drunk and crash the car. So your thoughts on the Middle East then? I assume we're talking Iran. Yeah, I guess. Well, like the Iran war. I mean, like, yeah, we can talk about that. Sure. So I don't know what do you want to know about it. You said I have some thoughts on the Middle East. Where do we start? Well, I mean, I guess, do you think, you know, like there's probably multiple thought processes that go into Iran, right? I've had multiple different people come on from multiple different angles.

Some see it as a further play against China, right? As, you know, they took over Venezuela. They're creating, they're preparing for a global conflict and they're removing the cheap supply of oil, energy from China and elsewhere. They're becoming the main state you want oil, come to the US and the US has it. You put that in line with this tariff policies and trying to grow the United States economy

and bring everything back home. And then there's the other side, which is Israel twisted them into going into this war, that it will not be four weeks, it hasn't been four weeks. And that- It won't be six months either. and that Israel is using the United States for their means. I'm probably oversimplifying the two trains of thoughts.

Yeah, that would be the good simple explanation. Like, they did go to war for Israel in this because Israel is the only one in the Middle East. I don't know. Whatever they say, my view is, if you say anything against Israel, people say you're anti-Semitic automatically. Right off the bat, they'll just say you're anti-Semitic. But who says that? Oh, just people on the right, more MAGA and more like. But are we talking online or are we talking everyday people?

online more, some everyday people. Everyday people is who I talk to. So I have people who say that kind of stuff. Like I've talked to pastors about this. And like being evangelical, you'll get a lot of the people on the, like who are, I would say Christian Zionists.

And they'll even say they're proud Christian Zionists. And I mean, good, great, good for them. But it's a weird form of idolatry that's, that's gotten into Christianity, which we're supposed to somewhat be against, where they just believe that somehow Israel is still God's chosen people.

the Jews are still God's chosen people and all of this, all of this other stuff that they say. And I'm not saying that they're not. What I mean is you can be ethnically Jewish. You can be ethnically Iranian, Canadian, Asia, wherever you're from. You can be ethnically of that place and still be God's chosen people because when you become a Christian, you are then a part of God's chosen people. You are part of like the family that is going to be in heaven one day. and all of this.

So people thinking it's like it's anti-Semitic to say they're not, it's not because it's just like, guess what? This is what the New Testament said. And honestly, if you believe that going and killing innocent people anywhere for that matter is a good thing, then we don't, I don't believe, we haven't read the same Bible. And we definitely, I would say almost don't even serve the same God. Did you listen to Abla? I can't think of her first name because it's, anyway, she was the one from Turkey.

and she escaped Turkey from... I listened to that one, yeah. What did you think of that? I thought it was fine. I mean, I get a lot of this. I get a lot of different things I talk to people who are Jewish, people who are Muslim, people who just feel strongly about the Middle East in general and all of that. And like, even like I said, evangelicals and stuff.

And I mean, I'm not saying Iran's a good place. People think if you take the side that the government of Israel is not a good government, that automatically you think Iran is a good government? No, I don't think the Canadian government. is a good government. I think that when you start taking the side that the people in Iran should be, I had a pastor say this to me. These people are beyond saving in Iran in the Middle East. So I start to, he said, more and more over time, I realize why in the Old Testament God said to wipe these people out. And I think that's a little bit odd because that's not what Christ said when he fulfilled the old covenant.

All of the, all of the Old Testament does point to Jesus Christ. I mean, the first, the first prophecy of Jesus coming was in Genesis chapter 3 where Jesus is talking about how some man will be born from woman in order to redeem and stuff like that may be butchering it a little bit I don't know the exact the exact no worries the audience will send us the the right script it doesn't matter but um anyways like if you go oh the government is evil so therefore kill all these people like there is 380 000 Christians living in iran are they persecuted yes probably Sometimes. Are they not? At times, probably not. Are there Christians living everywhere in the Middle East? Yes, absolutely. So why would you want to start going and killing innocent people? Why would you say beyond saving?

Iran, I've seen reports that Iran has had to close like tens of thousands of mosques because people are converting to Christianity. So beyond saving is another thing that I just don't believe. And I think that I think that everybody should be saved, should be offered the gospel. and I don't think you should just go and kill civilians just because you're upset at what their government does. The other, well, let's, let's, there's a lot of emotion tied up in Israel. Oh yeah, 10010. Full stop, a ton of emotion tied up in it.

If you switch over to Nigeria, right? That's what we were talking about earlier. Yeah, where all the Christians are being killed, slaughtered by Muslims. So, so if you're sitting as the Western nations, any nation, what are we supposed to do about, or what would you do about that? I don't know. I don't know. I honestly don't. I, I'm thankful that I'm not in charge. I'm also thankful that I'm not God. The Bible would not have not have not been the way it would have and it would have worked out very wrong if I was. So thankfully not. But I do know that we do serve a God who has a plan,

who has a plan for all of this stuff. I think we could be sending more aid to some of these, to some of these places, being that we were at least Christian countries. Why do we send aid to countries that openly reject Christ and yet we and yet or not even that why why do we send money out of our countries at all we do we not have enough problems here oh no well if if you look at Canada you draw it all the way back in right now you know you have a record number amount of people using the food banks let's just start there and we're sending money all over the place and you go we have a crisis at home why aren't we fixing things at home that's a very good question the argument from some people is that Jesus said the poor will always be among you, but he know, but then I go, well,

he never said not to help them. He said that the poor would always be among you. And that could be poor financially. That could be just poor in spirit. You are called to help people. I understand that. But I mean, I think like, for example, you have children. So imagine taking your money and you're like going out and just you take all your money for food or whatever. Your kids are at home. They're hungry. They don't have food in the fridge. But you're going and you go feed somebody else's kids. And then you're like, look how fantastic I am. Look how great I am because everybody sees me feeding all of these kids. And meanwhile, your kids are like, hey, like, we need food.

Take care of your family, your people first. And then you can go and help other people. Like one thing that I think of is like, we have enough problems here in Canada. Since the year 2000, Canada and the United States, we've aborted, estimated about 1.18 billion children. Billion? Billion since the year 2000. That's Canada and the United States combined. North America.

Yes. North America has aborted 1.18 billion children. Is that maybe not something that we could try to solve before we go try to solve thousands of years of war in the Middle East? Could we maybe help some people? Why are people doing this? Like, and people say, oh, it's pro-choice. It's all this other nonsense.

Like, oh, women want to choose, but 60% of abortions are because they were pressured by their male partner into abortion. So maybe we should fix that first. We can fix a multitude of things, homelessness, drug addiction. like just regular families not being able to afford food, high taxation instead of. I mean, Canada doesn't send, as far as I know Canada doesn't send a pile of money over to Israel, but they do to Ukraine. Why do we care so much about Ukraine when they're third in Europe? They're the third highest country for sales of Bentley's in Europe.

Now, currently, why are we sending money over there? Why we just pledge another $2 billion? I think a lot of Canadians are wondering. these things. Yeah. What perplexes me, you know, you're talking about things we got to get to. It's like, I don't know. How about the liberal majority government we now have? Yeah, the majority government that we didn't even vote in, the first unelected majority government in Canadian history is absolute nonsense. Why? Why should people just cross the floor? Like, why should conservatives be crossing the floor? And I mean, to me, this also just shows the uniparty that we have in Canada.

Conservative or liberal is not going to work. Pierre is not the guy that's going to save us. ever. Neither is Carney, but at least Carney will, hopefully with the majority government accelerate the decline so that we can build it back better, or at least push for. Oh, you're, uh, uh, we were just talking about this this morning. You know, just, good. They got a liberal majority. Good. Like, it's, uh, the only place that people move from is a place of pain, not from a place of comfort. In a way. So, I would refer it not to be that way. Well, wouldn't we all? Yeah. But increase the pain. Let's get on with it. because at this point, you go, we have everything you just said on a liberal majority.

And you just sit there and scratch your head. I'm like, hasn't it got bad enough? I guess not. I guess not because we've had them for, what, 11 years? Yeah. Of liberals? Like, so that's a funny thing. I don't know if I mentioned it last time that I was on.

But I think I've, I don't think I've really ever worked in a good economy, in a good Canadian, maybe one year because I'd started working when I was 18. I'm 30 now. So it would be one or two years with Harper. one of those years was an election year. So my entire working life at 30 years old has been spent in a terrible liberal economy. It kind of sucks. So I don't know.

I don't know why we want more and a more majority government, especially from conservatives who hop over. People like I didn't vote for the guy in my area because I wanted him specifically to win. And maybe I should have. But I wanted, I wanted Pierre to win when I voted for him in the last election. So if I voted for him and then he went over to liberal, be like you should hold another election or at least a by-election or something see if he gets voted in again as a liberal. Have you seen the 22 minutes sketch where Pierre goes in and he goes, I'm switching over?

Yeah. That was actually quite clever. Yeah, I thought that was funny. At this point, why don't all the conservatives just go over? Yeah. Well, they're the same party in a way. We get... But if you take the track that they're not the same party, at this point in time, why don't

you just all defect of the liberals? At least then... It would be fun to run for... You switch over to the liberal party and then you just start like trying to tear it apart from the inside. Why not? I guess. I mean, that's the whole. That's the whole.

That's the whole sketch. Yeah. Right? Like I mean, you got some liberals, uh, sorry, conservatives in there. Aaron Gunn, Andrew Lawton, both been guests on this show. Yeah. Who both have, have talked about very important things in Canada. And then they'll just apologize for things when Pierre tells them to.

Well, but that's the problem with politics, isn't it? When you become part of a team, then you have to tow the company line. Yeah, I guess. But I don't know. You don't have to tow the company. They may just breach you on. No, no, no. But if you don't tow the company line, they'll boot you out.

Then you become an independent. They push you to the back. And okay, you're an independent, but now you're. At least you're still on your values. People respect that. I'm not disagreeing with you. Yeah. But you'd have to have in order to be significant.

But then they wouldn't, then it would change the company line. I guess. In a way, I don't know. I don't know how we fix it. I think the only way. You think about it. Josh runs for politics tomorrow. It gets a,

well, A, gets through the first that conservatives actually allow you to run under their banner. Yeah. Because Wyatt Claypool and forgive me to, is there's a whole bunch of others. Wyatt just top of mind,

but there's a lady out in Ontario and a couple others that all couldn't get through the structure of the conservative party, right? They just said you're not running as a candidate for us. So let's say you can get through there.

Dros gets through there. And then you get elected. Now you're one in a C, of conservatives. They tell you to go a certain way. And if you don't go that certain way, they remove you, and now you're independent.

Yes, you have all the value. I'm not disagreeing. Yeah. But you're just one guy floating in the ocean of, I mean, there's 300 and change elected officials at the federal level. I mean, yes, you have your values. But when I look at politics, I just like, man, alive.

What a career choice to go into, to, you know, if you're going for an effect, do you have any effect as one individual? independent. Maybe you do. I mean, look at Dallas Brody in BC. In fairness, maybe I can eat my own words in all in the same sentence. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know how you, I don't know how you get away from the, from towing the company line, but at least it's, at least it's better to stand on your values rather than just staying. Well, you're not going to get, you're not going to get any argument out of me on that. I just think those type of people, look at politics, look at how much

it's going to ask from them. Lots of them are business owners, uh, entrepreneurs, families. family men and women and they go, this is going to take away everything I hold close to me. I'm not doing it. And so they don't even get into politics. Oh yeah. Very few. That's even like me in some ways. I never wanted to be in politics. I had so I had people asked me to run. I had people asked me to run as an MLA because the MLA in my area is retiring. And I was like, no, I'm not going to do that because once you get into politics, I feel like it is somebody just comes and taps you on the shoulder and tells us you, hey, this is actually how it works. You could tell us this is. Oh, 100 No, and that's the problem.

That's why you would never even just get elected in the first place is because if you go and you're like, if people know you, if people know you after you like talk online and all that kind of stuff. Well, you listen to Susan Stanfield on the way here. Yeah. Do you think you could shoulder tap? There's 87. Let's stick on provincial politics for a second. 87 ridings here in Alberta are currently until they redraw lines and maybe a couple more ridings come. But 87.

Do you think you would run if there was 40 others running? Oh yeah 100%. So there is a way that Josh would run if 40 others said, you know what? That's why you just need new parties. I'm fine with the UCP in Alberta. It's better than the NDP and they're quite, I would say Daniel Smith is probably the best conservative leader in the country. Bar none. Definitely in this point.

I mean, I would like her to run for federal politics, but then we'd lose her in Alberta. So then there's a catch 22. Maybe she could do both. But I don't know. These people don't want what we have. Like either, so Pierre going on Joe Rogan. We talked about that a little bit. And he goes on there and sounds like an absolute liberal.

And then he's like, I don't know. Yeah. Then he just goes and then he talks, talks Joe up and like is just glazing Joe for like half the theater. Lots of people liked it. Yeah, I bet lots of people did like it. And then he went on diarrhea of a CEO and lots of people like that too. Yeah. And then he talked about, but the whole time he sounds like a liberal to me.

He doesn't sound like anybody with any conservative values. He talks about like how weeds legal in Canada and that's fine. Oh, we shouldn't use made for young for kids. but like why should we use them like then the argument is why should we use made for anybody all that absolutely like all this stuff is nonsense people aren't going to vote for you if you sound like a liberal they'll just take the liberal why not just go and be an actual conservative because most people in Canada or I would argue most conservatives in Canada don't hold the same views pierre does maybe out east maybe in Ontario and that's great he can try to win it over there but out west like once you

stop at the Saskatchewan border and west of the Saskatchewan border most conservative are pretty much like, hey, just give me actual conservative stuff and leave me alone. And that just, I mean, I guess that just makes a case for us being a separate country. Yeah, I always wonder if Pierre's going to come on and then I hear you say stuff like that. And I'm like, there's no way. I don't think you would. No, like, why does he? I just chuckle about it because I'm like, I've found myself into this weird territory of, you know,

it goes back to Dennis Modry when I first had him on. And I said, give me the case of Alberta first versus Canada first, right? And since then, you know, like everybody's been listening, you know, you've had the Mitch Sylvester, the Jeff Rath, the Keith Wilson, Layton Gray, Marty up north. I was saying Alberta proud. I mean, there's a whole, I'm missing, you know, sorry if I didn't mention, you know, there's, there's just this crazy amount of Alberta first people now. It's just like, I don't get all this stuff.

You bring up made, you know, two-tier justice system makes zero sense, you know, like, the fact that we're sending money everywhere, but not taking care of ourselves. We're going to go green. We're going to get rid of all of what, you know, build this country. And what we have?

How are we going to go? What's it today? What's it like outside today? It's awful. And I'm like the old windmills and solar and everything else. Solar's going to be great. No, I don't.

No, I don't. It's always dark. Yeah, it's nonsense. This kind of stuff. And that's why, like, I mean, I don't know,

I would just like a real conservative politician. That would probably be at least a good start. Like somebody who's like, hey, we're not for abortion. We're not for all of this nonsense. We're not for made. We maybe support people. I mean, some of the things that the liberal government tries to do, a lot of these things are the job of the church, as outlined in the Bible. We should not need a welfare system and a welfare system should not have been taken from the church. It's up to the church to help the poor. It's up to the church to help people. But instead, we've gone to this new era of Christianity where people think, oh, churches just show up on Sunday, do nothing, and then go have lunch with the people that you know. and then just, I don't know, don't tip the waitress.

This kind of stuff is not, that's not what the church is supposed to be. So, I mean, it's kind of a catch-to-it. It's kind of a both-and thing. So it's like politics is going bad, but the church isn't taking responsibility either. So I think we need somebody who's actually conservative, preferably Christian, who would give some of this stuff back to the church and actually call the church up, but we need good church leaders in order to do that as well. And then if we call the church up to what it's supposed to do,

it just makes everything better because who's better to run these sort of welfare systems and things like that than churches in general people in their communities so you get back to when you start rattling off all the different parts you're like oh this is why it just starts in the house it does it starts with the individual yeah because what you're talking about is like a whole societal change and you know is the population even ready for that i don't even know um i've had a few instances you were you were saying on the way out which I chuckled about you know that I'm hard to read and you don't know what all my thoughts are on all the different things and uh that's an interesting call anyways regardless sorry my phone's ringing I've been to a few different places like gatherings

yeah where we get into like these conversations and I have cleared rooms or at least tables but I bring up abortion. And not from like, I know what's best, just that if we're going to solve things, you know, you look at it and you rattle off the numbers earlier. You're like, this feels like it should just be a conversation we touch on.

But that conversation is, well, it clears out rooms. I've literally stopped grown men in their tracks. They get up and leave because they don't want to talk about it. Like, that's interesting. So like, you. go all these sweeping changes. I'm like, yeah, it sounds great. I mean, like, you know, like trying to make Canada better. Okay. But you can't even bring up like what's a safe, what's a safe conversation right now? Is it even made the safe call? I think made is becoming more of a safe

thing to talk about in most circles because it's starting to impact everybody's life. And teens. As this affects more people. You told the story on the way out here. I told a story on the way out here of people that should never be offered made being offered made just kind of like you know there's there's standard you could do these things oh there's made there too and you're like what like why would you even bring that up this person isn't deathly ill and i agree with you like the problem with made when it gets you know when when the common person hears about made when i first heard about me the story is told you're 90 you got stage four whatever and you got two days live. Let's just put them out of their misery. And most people are like, well, yeah, I guess that

makes sense, right? And then you get into 2026, 10 years later. Yeah. And now they're teenagers. Or you're depressed, or you're 50, or you're, you know, the 27 year old or you're whatever. And you're like, what, how do we get here? You got a two tier system or two track system? They gave made to somebody young, not young like teenager, but like a young adult because of It was either seasonal depression or it was financial depression. Well, and the one I read about last year was diabetes. Yeah. So you go like what regular person sitting wherever you're sitting right now listening to us goes,

that's reasonable. No, I think we're all thinking that's insane. Well, everybody knows like 10 people with diabetes. Well, everybody knows somebody who's been depressed. Yeah. I mean, like we haven't we all been there? It's been a rough year. Your bills, you know, you see the gas price go up.

you go and trying to have kids in, whether it's sports or just activities, and I've got to drive all over the place. How am I going to afford this? If things are getting tight, does it look like it's getting better anytime soon? No, not so certain about that. It's like everybody's gone through stressful times in life and we all will continue to. Yeah. So like, well, that's, again, another argument for Christianity.

What are you supposed to do for these people if they're depressed? You're supposed to gather around them. You're supposed to pray for them. You're supposed to be there for them, be present with them. people would be less depressive they have more community. Like people have, people think that people know what community is. It's not online. It's not this.

Go to your church. Find friends. Church, I would almost argue is the best place to find friends. If you want to meet people, go to church because those people, well, you can go up and talk to a random stranger and be like, hey, how you doing? I saw you in church. Wanted to say hi to you. I introduced myself.

My name's Josh or whatever. And they go, oh yeah, hey, I'm this and this. Next time you just go, literally even that day, you could just be like, hey, how about we go grab a coffee or go to lunch? absolutely. You have something in common to talk about. You could talk about God the whole time and it's great. And you have a great time and most people are very willing to do that. Granted, it ain't not work every time. But that's a good way to get community. People who would gather around you, people who will pray for you. And that's the only way you're going to be lifted up. Also,

you'll have something to follow. You'll have something bigger than yourself because, yeah, I would probably be depressed if all of my problems were all on my shoulders. And correct. And you probably would be to, if the weight of the world actually landed on you and absolutely everything that happened to you was your fault or your problem to deal with and it wasn't and it wasn't you couldn't give it to God, then I don't even know how you live that. So then I so then I go that's why we need to be changing people's minds more for Christ. Can I sure? I agree with you. Yep. Um, so I was telling you, you know, I became a Jesus Christ follower in late 2022. And now when I have like the piece it's given me on all the things going on in the world has been well you just can't

explain it it's just it's yeah there was it was it was it's indescribable beyond all understanding correct and when you're you're like huh yeah that's the best way to describe it yeah so i'm leaving on this trip and i'm stressed about like currently my stress level is pretty low but like i have been stressing about the vehicle we're going to take. And I'm not going to get into the details of everything, but I'm going to give another shout out to Zane Southgate because he's the guy who reaches out. And I'm like, I almost started crying because I was like, I've been praying about this. This guy reaches out part of the SMP community. And I'm like, I don't think he fully realizes that he was like a direct answer to a prayer. I'm like, that was wild to where I sit to like

be praying about it. Then to get his text and his knowledge. on everything and me be like, yeah, I don't know about that. He's like, well, this is what his father's been on the podcast. This is what we've been talking about. I'm like, oh, I have to think about that. But like, I could reach through the phone and give you a big hug. And the thing about having something to put the stress of the world on

that can carry it, having that takes, I mean, it doesn't take everything away. Certainly there's stress of every day. But it eases a lot of the burden of what's going on. And I've experienced that multiple times in my life. Well, I guess in the last four years. Yeah. And I mean, that's the thing.

It's something that it transcends everything. Jesus Christ transcends everything. That's not to say that you don't have, you don't have things that you should be doing because you're saved. You're not saved by your works. You're saved. Well, you're saved by Christ's works. But because you are saved, you then want to do some of these things.

You want to help others and all of that. It's not like just go, oh, oh, well, God's got me. I'm just going to sit here at a room. and read my Bible for the rest of my life and never go interact with people. That's not what you're supposed to do. You're supposed to go out into the world. In fairness, we might all be better served if we did sit for a time and read the Bible. Oh, you're supposed to.

Yeah. You're supposed to, but not all day, every day for the rest of time and not do anything. Not for the rest of time. But I find, even if we were talking this morning, I'm like, man, I didn't realize how much I've been reading the Bible because I've always wondered Tanner in a day who comes on. Yeah. And I, like, say something. And then he's got this beautiful memory.

It's just like, boom. And you can just pop whatever scripture. I'm like, how do you do that? And I don't know if I'll ever get remotely close to it. But by reading the Bible and immersing yourself into it, you can call on scripture quite often to the things that are going on in society. That's why you constantly need to be in the word every single day. And you need to be in relationship with Christ every single day.

But you need to do something with what you hear. We would be, we're in a very bad place. as a church in North America or in the West in general. If we go to church every Sunday, and we do absolutely nothing with what we hear. Like the commands of Christ and all of these things that we're supposed to be. But do you think that's still going on? Oh, 100%.

People do nothing with it. Hmm. I see. All the time. Well, then maybe I just see a growing trend. It's growing. Right. But we have these,

we have these people that, like I said, but you're not going to flick a light switch and have everything change overnight. I'm thankful that it's growing, but we need to now be continuing that. You should be doing it more and more and take, from that that, oh, this isn't, this isn't some extraordinary thing.

It's something that every single one of us is supposed to be doing. We're all supposed to be spreading the gospel. We're all supposed to be in relationship with Christ. We're all supposed to call on God for help in these times and to find out, find out who we should be helping and what we should be doing and having that relationship. But isn't it interesting that, you know, like Sean Ryan wasn't a Christian? Yeah. Tucker Carlson was a Christian, but I don't know if he is.

no no no sorry what i was meaning was before what was it two years ago maybe it's a little less did you ever hear them really get into it not really and then and then when you got removed from fox maybe that was part of it i don't know probably but now you hear him talk about it an awful lot you hear joe rogan interviewing more and more um just christians that are sharing their story i'm like that's interesting well right because what have what have they said on on on on mainstream media The Christian side of the world isn't really allowed to share its stories, right? Well, then you go here in Canada with Bill C-9. But in fairness, the largest podcast in the world is sharing more.

So it's like careful, like, or not careful, it's like, look at the positive. On the flip side, like, I wasn't talking about this four years ago, five years ago. And I'm not the only one. There's a ton of people now sharing the good news, which means, you know, as legacy media dies, Is there pain in it, not in legacy media, but everything going on? Absolutely there is. But look at the trends. The trends look super positive.

All the big names of podcasting are talking about it more and more. And that's, it's hard. It's hard to ignore at this point. Well, look at this, this past Easter. Like, 1.4 million people were baptized into Catholicism in, around the world on this Easter. was like it was compared to, I think there was 10,000 the year before. So there is some sort of revival happening in the church. And I'm not saying I'm Catholic or anything like that.

But there's got to be a lot more people. That's what's important about discussion. Right. So I hope I'm not sharing too much. But I made Josh on the way out folks say the craziest thing on his mind. Because I believe that a lot of people hold back their thoughts because they believe they're crazy. And my case in point in that is COVID. COVID, which we all lived through, everybody thought I was, everybody applauded it, but at the time, you know, like it was, it was uncomfortable in society to walk around when you're having Peter McCullough or take your pick of names.

Peter McCullough certainly was one of the early ones that I took a ton of flack for. And yet, by discussing the difficult things, people can think about it. It's actually the cornerstone theme this year was, you know, discussion is important. Without discussion, we can't envision a better. future. So by talking about all this stuff, it allows not only myself and yourself, but a ton of the audience to start to make sense of some of the arguments going on in their head. Or some of the things they're like, I'm not saying that. I am way, they're going to think I'm crazy. What you're going to find out is, oh yeah, the people who think you're crazy are always, not always, but are probably vast in the majority think you're crazy all the time. And the people that you you know, listen to this or other things. There's a growing group of people that have that thought,

but in that group, they're not crazy. They're just willing to explore any topic, because in theory, there is no topic off limits. The narrative says there is. You've already pointed out, Israel is a very hot topic. It's like, ooh. But abortion is, I've said, you know, you walk into a room and I sit down at a table with three people

who don't listen to the podcast, let's say, and you bring that up. I can clear the table in 10 seconds. I can probably clear the table in 10 seconds by bringing up a number of issues. And that's why I come back to Maid. To me, Maid, everybody will sit around and talk about it now, which is very interesting,

which means maybe we're at a point where we're finally willing, and Daniel Smith coming out with her stand against Maid is probably another point because she would check trends and what the population's actually saying. I think you're starting to see a course correct. I don't know if it can happen fast enough.

and certainly the fact we've got a liberal majority says there's more pain coming because I don't think they're course correcting on made or the justice system or you know list off you know BC in the land rights and everything right like I mean we just have insane things going on but to me the population is shifting I think that's a positive well yeah I partly with some of that stuff I think we're getting to the point where we're going to be if we're not there already we'll be at the point where we're beyond human correction because, I don't know, usually when you start getting this evil as a country, God does something. And I'm not saying that it's the end of the, they could see end times or all of that. I believe that, like, we could be in the season of the

end times. I don't know if we're in the last days, perhaps. We've been in the last days and we have been in the end times since Christ, since Christ died for us. But I mean, even Paul. Paul was only a couple of centuries after Jesus and he was preaching like with all of that like you need to be doing these things and we need to be getting getting right for when God returns because no one knows the day or the hour. But whether or not you believe it's the end times or not, you need to be, you need to be preaching as though it's the end times. You need to have that urgency. You need to be telling people of the gospel. So if you think the end, if you think we are yes, we're living in the end times, preach with urgency. If you think, oh, the end time is far away. Preach with urgency. Get people to church.

people to Christ and then that is that is a way that you can sort of correct some of this because but yeah I don't know some of these things do happen where Christ will like look at Sodom and Gamora look what happened there look at the flood and God said he wouldn't destroy the earth by water again but maybe God uses a war in order to sort of correct some of these things I don't know God he's in charge but we at least that doesn't absolve us from any duty as Christians and I'm not saying violence or anything like that is necessary. But I'm saying we need to go out and do our part because what I think partly is where God allows for like evil and like these like the like monsters and demons and all that to exist. He also provides good men to end them and to get rid of it.

So where are all of these people? Where are all of these? Where have all of the men gone? I mean, look at the prominent, look at some prominent leaders. People are actually changing things. Look at Daniel Smith and Alberta. Where are men for that? I'm not saying that you shouldn't have her as premier,

but I'm saying, where are men speaking about this? Look at BC. Who is leading the right side in BC? What was her name again? Dallas Brody. Yeah. So there you go.

Like look at these people. Well, it could be unintended consequences, right? I mean, you demonized white male men. or I guess that's a white male man white men white male men yeah you demonized I didn't you know I don't know if I truly felt that living where I live but as um Western nations that's certainly a trend right like there's privilege to being a male and all the things that went along with that there's a lot of people that um probably were more capable than they realized but as a society we demonized them for so long they just decided this isn't my fight or

or whatever and so that's why i see the the resurgence of youth people younger than me finding a voice and talking very hopeful like i go you know i used to look at i used to be not stressed but probably looked at things closer to um the election cycles of not even not even like a prime minister where it's every four in this case five years it seems like now we're going to go to the stretch the distance where they don't call it every four years but closer to maybe say counselors or something that have a two-year term my brain worked in such a short period of time and as I get older and maybe it's something with kids or age or maybe just the journey of the podcast and talking to so many people I've been able to just take a step back and look at okay

What does the next 10 years look like? Well, if the youth are becoming more conservative, they're going back to church and droves, they're getting more baptisms, things like that. Where does that lead us in the next generation? I think to good places, especially if people hold to their values over all the junk that's going on. I think good places.

Is there pain between here and there? Yeah. Oh, yeah, there's pain. come. Oh yeah, but I mean, that's the thing. This isn't very seeker sensitive stuff, but God doesn't call you to, God wants you to have a good life. Yes, but that's not a prosperity gospel where people go, oh, God just wants you to be happy and all of this and that and just have all this endless amounts of money and just an easy life. Look at what happened to all the disciples. There is pain in following Christ and there can be. Your life will probably get in some ways harder, but ultimately

it is a better life. I would take any hardship and follow Christ. over the easy way. And I mean, even think about that. People think, oh, following a Christian in Canada is hard. What about when you're getting killed in Nigeria, when they burn down a church and kill a whole bunch of people inside of it? And then the next day, that church is back standing over top of the burned church having this, having a church service. That is persecution. And that is faith. Whereas now we go, oh, they make Bill C-9. So now we'll never just talk about this again. And that's persecution. Yes, it's a form of persecution. But we can overcome. there's more of us than there are of them. And, and I mean, so be it. It's better to,

it's better to follow Christ and suffer for that than to just live, then to live for the devil in a lot of ways. And that's, and that's also how you overcome this demonization. And I think that's why we're seeing part of this resurgence in young people going to church is because when you're demonized, okay, how do you get out of that? Find out what God is calling you to and allow God to give you strength because you don't have enough strength to overcome any of this on your own. You need Christ to work in spite of you to give you strength to overcome this, to overcome all of this evil and all of this nonsense in the world. Like I mean, people and people look at evil and they look at the problem of evil and they think, oh, wow, how could a loving God allow any of this to

happen? It's like, number one, it's because of free will. But all of this evil stuff that goes on more proves God. Because if you have an ultimate evil, then there has to be, opposite, which is an ultimate good. Meaning that when you see all of this evil stuff going on in the world, that more proves God's existence rather than disproves it. It's not good stuff. And we should be working hard to prevent it and to end this sort of stuff from happening. But it doesn't disprove God.

In fact, it will make people turn to God more because they realize that, hey, there is such thing as the demonic as the devil. And so therefore there must be such thing as God. I always come back to well I mean I remember listening to Tucker have the guy on who talked about the shroud and brought on all the scientific stuff I don't need to be convinced

I'm not saying it was a poor interview that sounds terrible I'm like I listened to it I'm like I already know I'm gonna carry on with life I hope that helped millions of people come to that are probably more analytic I think of one of my brothers who's an engineer, right? They always got, like, the pieces.

They got to make sure, oh, does that make sense? You know, whereas I just know. And I'm like, I'm just going to move on with this and try and solve other parts of my life. The, as soon as you have Jesus, does everything become easier, right? Riches and all the stuff. And it's like, well, but if that were true, all the Christians would be the wealthiest people all over the place. And I don't, I certainly see parts of that, but I also see a lot of Christians that are struggling, right? I think the ease that comes with having Jesus on your side is the piece that is just,

it's indescribable. That's what becomes easy about it. And Neil Oliver, who isn't a Christian on stage at the Cornerstone, was talking about, you know, when you just talk truth, you don't have to get caught up in the lies. It's so easy, you know, like there's just an ease to it. So like they're trying to do this word vomit on, once again, we keep coming back to Maid, or at least I do. and at some point you're like it just doesn't make any sense it is a terrible idea you can try and sell

me on any different way but it's it's all wrapping it up into these big giant lies essentially and when you just cut through it the truth will set you free i mean that's the old line and it's so true yeah and that's the thing like the bible is the only place to find this ultimate truth so i mean the bible should be probably one of the top places that you actually feel alive because it is it is what it says. It is, it is truth. There isn't, I mean, people, and sure, people can be open to interpretation about it and all of that nonsense. And I mean, you have progressive Christianity, which tries to make verses say what they're not. And it's like, what, what I've heard a saying is, if it's new, it isn't true. And if it's true, it isn't new. Meaning, if you're discovering something

in the Bible that is, hey, nobody ever found this out before, probably not true. And you have to go back to, there's a phrase in Latin, it's Sola Scripura, meaning like the Bible alone. That is the ultimate authority. Like, God is the ultimate authority and his word is the ultimate authority. So if the Bible says something is good or bad or you should do this or that or how you should live and all of this, that is ultimate truth. That is the only place to find. You're not going to find it in anything else of the world. You're supposed to live in the world, but not be of the world. And the Bible was written for you. It wasn't written to you. So you shouldn't just go to the places where it's like, oh, this verse can apply to me, like, cast all of your anxieties on him because he cares for you.

It's like, oh, yeah, that's a nice thing in the Bible. But then you go to, but then you'll just avoid the part where Jesus talks about Matthew 24 of. Then you will be hated by all nations and you will be put to death for my name's sake. And it's like, there is tremendous hope in that too. because if you're being persecuted, hated by all nations, and put to death for Christ's name, that means people see Christ in you. And that's a good thing rather than a bad thing, I would argue. So I mean, but you can't just go to the easy stuff and skip over times when Jesus himself says, it's not going to be easy.

It's going to be hard, but it will be worth it. You ever read the Bible? I think it's in Matthew. You know, I don't know about the two of the two of them. you in here. But you've probably heard the saying red sky by night, sailors delight, red sky by morning, sailor take warning. Am I? Yeah, I've heard it. I've heard it. I don't know what it means. Oh, it's, it's weather, weather related, right? Red sky by night, sailors delight means calm seas, means it's going to be nice weather, essentially. And red

guy by morning is, you know, storm ahead, essentially. I'm sure it's in Matthew. It alludes to that. Actually, it might even, it doesn't say that exact verbiage, but it, it, it, it, Jesus talks about it. And I'm like, holy crap. I'm like, how many more times am I going to run into things in the scripture where I'm like, some clever man thought this up and it's sitting right there in the Bible? I don't know. Does that happen to you? Oh, yeah. Well, I mean like, yeah, and when you talk about the cleverness I think of like even reading proverbs and stuff and I realize like, hey, I have a lot in common with this fool they keep mentioning in the Bible. But no, I mean the Bible, it people thought that like the scientific revolution,

all the like science and stuff like that would disprove the Bible. In fact, it's more proved the Bible. Did you see that NASA proved that the sky went black, as the Bible said, on the day of resurrection on Easter or on April? NASA proved that? April 3rd, 33 AD. Yeah, they proved that there was some sort of a... Could they prove that?

I don't know how. I'm not a NASA. I'm not an astronaut. I'm not a rocket surgeon. But they did something where it proved that there was an eclipse during that time. And other people have proved the earthquakes and all of that that has come up. You look it up. I see this all over all the time.

Well, now I'm like curious. I'm like, NASA proved... The resurrection. or the, at least the eclipse on the resurrection. You can look that up and that might pull it up. But it did. It's pretty cool. And I mean, look at like even the Shrout of Turin.

That shows. And I mean, as if we needed proof, some people still choose to not believe when faced with all of this overwhelming evidence for Christ. You'll have to forgive me, folks. I'm like, and now you got me so curious. Well, I mean, Jesus walked the planet and people didn't believe. So, I mean. Yeah. I mean, people saw him after he rose from the dead.

There are a bunch of accounts of it written during that time. Like, I mean, when it talks about like Simon of Cyrene, like the reason it was written that way is because it was written like, hey, this is Simon. This is where he lives. It wasn't written to us two, it was written to us 2000 years ago. But at the time when it was written, it was written to the people. And it would have been like, hey, you know, Simon, he lives in Cyrene, go and ask him. So that's why it was written like that. So it's it shows that.

and it's proof that these people saw it happen. It says NASA maintains catalogs of historical solar and lunar eclipses based on orbital mechanics. They simply confirm that a partial lunar eclipse happened on the commonly proposed crucifition date, which had have been visible in Jerusalem. Yeah. Interesting. That hurts my brain. I don't know how they find it out, but I mean, we'd be. don't need it because it's it's shown in the Bible there that that happened that there were earthquakes

and all of that. I mean, I mean, we just passed the Easter season, which actually was interesting because this Easter, April 3rd, the Friday fell on April 3rd, which would have been a Friday, April 3rd way back in 33 AD that Jesus would have been crucified. So it's interesting that it falls on the same time. I mean, it happened 11 years ago, but still interesting, brings a different sort of thought process to it and stuff. Well, I know we're talking about it with the kids. Right? Because, you know, like Easter, there's so much about Easter bunny and all the, I don't know. What do I want to, you know, just chocolate eggs.

Yeah, you know, like just, just the. The paganization of. Well, and I have to remind the kids, well, let's remember what this is actually about, right? Yeah. And then actually it falling on Friday, I hadn't thought about it at the time, but now you pointed out. I'm like, oh, yeah, we actually got to explain to the kids what actually went on. Yeah. And do you show them the passion of the Christ yet or are they too young?

They're a little, they're a little young for that. That's, uh, but I don't know. I'm actually interested to see Mel Gibson's got the two part. Yeah, the resurrection of the Christ.

Yeah, yeah. Cool. I think that'll be interesting. Yeah, well, it's got me very curious. Oh,

yeah. Mel Gibson's great. He does his research. Like, he's pretty crazy in that stuff. It's like crazy in a good way for all that. I mean, it's really good.

It's good that we, that we have people like this. And I mean, it is a good time for that sort of stuff to happen because look at the like the conversion of people that saw the film who the Passion of the Christ who weren't Christians after that happened like it's crazy how this stuff works to bring people to Christ now I don't think we necessarily need it to bring people to Christ but it is a good thing to have well I think everybody's called though in their own way

yeah to do their own part and if you follow it could take you to a very unexpected places. Yeah, and the starting point's always different. Like I know people who have like this preconceived thing of like, well, I got to, if I'm going to become a Christian, then I have to read the Bible. It's like, well, I forget exactly where, but the Bible says, do not wait. Don't hesitate to become a Christian. If you believe in Jesus, then follow him. And you could read the Bible after. I mean, it'd be good to have some knowledge of it, but don't wait and don't hesitate. If you know that Christ is real, that he, that he, that he lived a sinless life, that he was born of a virgin, that he died and on the third day under his own power, he rose from the dead. It's about that simple

to believe in Christ. And then it's about asking God to change your heart. You can't change your own heart. So that's where I think it's funny when atheists are starting to come and like, well, I got to, then I'm going to have to do all of these things. I'm going to have to change this or I'm going to have to change that to follow God. It's like, no, you can ask Christ to change your heart. And it's funny how well it will work that if you pray and ask God for it, that you will genuinely want to follow Christ. Like, you think I would want to do any of this stuff? The world seems pretty fun if you're,

if you're that way. But if you're a Christian and God's changing your heart, the world, you realize the world for what it really is. And it's just like a playground for our own hedonism and the devil. I want to ask you about, you're in Alberta. Yeah. Alberta independence. I've been in Alberta my entire life, my family for 200 years.

Right. So you got the petition. You know, we're going to wait and see what everything comes out here on, you know, early May and see what the signatures. I mean, as long as the government, not the government, the courts allow elections, Alberta to count the signatures or I'm trying to wrap my head around it, but regardless, as long as the procedure is allowed to be followed, it looks like we're heading for a referendum in October, October 19th.

Your thoughts? I think it's a good thing. I think that, well, I think it's good. I mean, that's another thing I was thinking of is I was like, some of these people, that are doing this, like, good for them because have you seen the people standing, like, on the side of the road, the wind is just going. Snow is blowing at them. Rain is blowing at them. It's muddy. It's windy. It's rain. And they're standing out there. Or it's like minus 30. And they're outside. I see, uh, on the side of the highway in a tent, like just with like one of those

little tents and stuff that they're just there at a table sitting there for hours. Like good for them that they're willing to do this for their province. So you ought to at least sign it for that. I think that we'll vote for it. I don't know if people have. the resolve to actually make it happen because the truth is it will be hard in the beginning, but is that necessarily a bad thing? People are, it is if you're selfish because people will think of it like, oh, I don't want to, I will not lose anything for this. I think in the long term you will gain in the short term, there may be some losses when we're first figuring this out, like how does currency look, how do passports look, all this stuff, what does it cost? There may be

some losses and people may go, oh, it's worse off, but in the long run it'll be better. Also think about your children. People who moved to Canada from Europe, the first people in anybody's family that moved here, if it's been for quite a long time, let's say, they moved here for because they knew it would be a better life. Was it an easier life? Probably not. But in the long run, it wasn't. It was better for the future generations.

People used to think past themselves. And I think that's something that's missing today, which kind of makes me think I don't know if people have the resolve to deal with it. Yeah, there's a nice quick saying for what you just said. and that is short-term pain for long-term game. Yeah. And I'm a little long-winded for that. And then there is also the marshmallow study where they put a marshmallow in front of a kid

and said, you know, if you wait, and I can't remember focuses it five minutes, it's a short duration of time. If you wait, we'll come back and we'll give you two if it's not eaten, right? Yeah. And most, obviously, children aren't waiting for... Which is, yeah, acceptable for children,

but for full-grown adults. Yeah, but you talk about selfishness or, you know, like, I was having this discussion earlier this week with a guy who's friends with the head of a union, okay, we'll just leave it that way. And they were talking about a bunch of different things. I was like, yeah, but he lives in BC.

I'm like, at what point does the land thing? Like, at what point, I get it, you're for the workers and you're for all these, but at some point you don't own your home anymore. I'm like, yeah. At some point you have to have a line, don't you? Where it's like, we've gone too far. Or do they not operate that way?

I don't understand this suicidal, suicidal empathy, I've heard it be called, where people are like, oh, this is the best. Let's just take away people's homes. And I mean, I don't hear that from the regular, I don't much hear that from the regular everyday person. It's either usually people who have, who have too much or have nothing at all so they don't care. They, like, they rent or something and they never want to be called to anything bigger.

then they're like, here's my cause to support migrants and like more migration and all of that nonsense or take give the land back. It's like give the land. What do you like I don't understand what people are talking about. But it's but part of it's artificial and we got to remember that right. Like when the freedom convoy happens I I mean was there a segment that was paid to be there. I don't think so I don't think so. Antiva. Antifa was right so like 90. something percent showed up because they had nowhere else. Like they literally, the government of their time had pushed them all into a corner.

So they showed up. When you get social justice warriors showing up, I think it's pretty conclusive. There's a ton of, if not a whole majority of them being paid to be there. Oh, yeah. I mean, they prove this in the United States. It's completely different than what we're, you know, when you're standing up for what you believe in.

That's the wrong way to say it because obviously they believe in it, but they're being paid to be there. I guess when you're looking at some of these things, it can make it seem like a whole chunk of the population is for giving the natives all the land that they claim to. When in fact, I think that's actually a real misconception or a twisting of reality by money because most of those people wouldn't show up.

And I think every time they do something like that, not that I want to see people in PC go through pain, but I think, good, there's going to be more people that are upset with the government. And the only time we're going to get real change that I've seen in my lifetime is when a mass of those people show up in mass and force the government.

I mean, like think of the COVID lockdown, all the criteria of COVID. Within a week of the Freedom Convoy, every, well, at least in Alberta and Saskatchewan, all the COVID mandates just fell. Like, almost to me, it shows how critical. You only need about, I think it's one, one percent of the population to actually lead some sort of revolution or some sort of change or something like that to get, to get some of this stuff changed. So, I mean, that's something to think about. Like, look at, I don't know what the percentage was of people that showed up to the freedom convoy.

But even that, I would say almost certainly it wasn't 1% of the Canadian population because that would be what, 400,000 people, something like that, 40,000? No, it would be more, well, no, it'd be 400,000. Yeah, so 400,000 people didn't, I don't think 400,000 people showed up. Maybe 400,000 definitely in support. No, no, no, no. Wait, I'm trying to do the math here. Come on, folks.

Why can't I do the math? That's going to mess with my brain until I do the actual math. and just put it in here. Give me a second. Somebody with... Somebody else figured it out. Somebody else is yelling at it. You're waiting for us.

Yeah, 400,000. You're right. 400,000. So, no, the support of what the Freedom Convoy stood for, I bet you was in... I bet you're over 10 million, if not more Canadians.

Oh, yeah, yeah, exactly. But how many people actually showed up in Ottawa? Showing up. I would say there was 10,000 people there for... that rotated. That's my guess. And that's good. That's my guess.

10,000 people. And that cause change. So, like, I don't understand why people. But then the government goes, hey, we're going to freeze your bank counts. I don't understand you don't want that. Because they get us arguing amongst ourselves on, they don't want unity. So they put a position all these things so that we infight. We can't get aligned with each other.

And then we go off and we, you know, until the next big cause pushes enough people into it where they're like, I'm just going to put them outside my differences with you. and we're going to go fix us because we have no choice. Yeah. You're seeing it in Ireland right now. I mean, Ireland is like on fire right now. Like, I mean, in a good way, not a bad way, folks, right? Like, Ken is on fire in a bad way right now.

Well, I mean, there's just so many things that are going on in the country. We're like, this is, what is going on? I can't, like, I can understand staring at this problem for long enough that we have a liberal majority. I actually, you know, like, after Kernan got elected, and we started like analyzing, paying attention to it, we predicted a majority government last year on the mashup. We talked about it and we're like, yeah,

this is a foregone conclusion unless something wild happens, which hasn't. And you had all the floor crossers and you had the by-elections and now they have a majority. And you're like, you know, like, so you keep fast forwarding it. And it's like, do things get better or worse? I don't know how they get worse. I can come up with a few guesses. Oh, there's a, it can get much worse. Sure.

And, but the next question is, so when do the mass of people form again to protest their government and act for, or want change? I thought it would have mine now. I thought it would happen in the United States with the Epstein files. I was like, when these are released, people are going to riot. Like, I mean, look if this had happened in South America, the way our election went. They, I'm not saying this is a good thing, but they would have, if this had happened in, say, Argentina and the election went like this, they would have burned parliament down.

and they would have drug everybody on the street and killed them. I'm not saying that's a good thing or that's what we should do. I'm just saying other countries react in very different ways. And we go, oh, well, maybe next time we'll vote in Pierre, who's another liberal. And this rather than, hey, maybe something needs to actually change. Maybe we need to build a serious, a serious party to contend with this. Because I don't know, like, I don't think, I wonder how many votes Pierre is going to get if there is, if he's a leader at the next election. Do you think he's going to be, well, that's a curious question.

Wasn't he just, didn't he just pass his leadership review? Whether he last. I guess he could have, he could resign. Yeah. I just look at the turmoil. The conservative federal party is in right now. Yeah. They've now lost a handful of members.

Like, they're in turmoil. You can see the way the media is portraying it, that he's lost control, that he's not the leader he wants, was. He never was, whatever you're going to put it as. you see guys like Jason Kenney coming out of hibernation and now doing debates on independence. I'm interested to see that. And just all of a sudden finding his voice after disappearing for, what was it?

A couple of years after he got let go, oh, he needed some time. I'm like, okay. Find it very curious that he's poking his head up. And everybody, I think, in the political realm, knows he has aspirations for leadership. Yeah, he's probably paid for. I don't know, Jason Kenny leading the conservatives,

I mean, supposedly you listen to people who are more in tune with the political realm than I am, supposedly people out in the East don't mind them. I don't know if that's true or not. This is the case for why we just need to be separate. I don't know if necessarily, if just if the, if it, let's say when it ends with what we're left with after some sort of different country, I think it should just basically be east and west and we can figure it out from there. I think, yeah, absolutely. It'll start with Alberta.

If it's starting out here, it's starting with Alberta. Saskatchew will join up. We could, like, but what's stopping anybody, if Albert and Saskatchewan join up, what's stopping anybody from just taking BC? Because you're like, oh, you're landlocked now. It's like, well, what's stopping us from taking BC? Oh, now we're going to raise an army and go. You could, if you want.

I'm not saying we should, but we could take them by a vote, maybe, if they get rid of all of the, well, I think Northern, I think Northern BC would come. I think I, oh, Northern BC would come in a second. And then Southern BC could just be, it would just be gridlocked. This is why I come back. This is where you go back to. Alberta Independence, though. You can get all these grand plans.

But what my hat, you can love or hate the Mitch Sylvester, the Jefferath, the Dennis Modry, you know, I've had Chris Scott in here. There's just a whole bunch more. But obviously Mitch is the one who put forth the petition. Yeah. You can love or hate these guys. But honestly, it's like, look at the work they've done to allow us the first step. And now that the signatures have been required, or that were required, has been.

met and of course they have to count it elections alberta and everything but they've done the first step you talk about all bera alberta goes in saskatchewan falls right and we get all this things it's like well in order for any of that to happen Alberta actually has to vote itself out and if it doesn't vote itself out we might be in an even worse bargaining position uh some might argue uh then then where we currently sit i don't think it could get much worse i mean whatever it is what it is but but in order for saskatchewan to go scatchewan ain't Listen, I got a ton of time for my Saskatchewan folks out there. I've been to the Prairie Rising Forum and helped facilitate discussions there.

They're running around the province doing events. And like, don't get me wrong, I see what's going on there. I think there is a little bit of smoke starting to form there. But if Alberta goes, it's going to rage in Saskatchewan, isn't it? They're going to run out immediately. Well, somebody's got to be the first through the door. and right now guys like Mitch Sylvester have given the ability for that to be possible.

Now Albertan's got to decide whether they want to go through or not. Do you think all these places like, isn't it weird? Do you think all these places like, let's just take Canada in the United States, for example, do you think they're going to stay their own countries in a way? If you listen to Martin Armstrong, Martin says, I think they got to split.

They're all going to break. I think they're all going to break up because look at the difference of thinking between California and Florida. New York and Texas. Did you see, what is the guy's name? Mamdani? Yeah, Ma'Am Dani.

I'm probably pronouncing. They're going to have a tax on the ultra rich. Have you seen the videos on the streets? Yeah, it's a fee that they're going to pay on their condos over $5 million. And you're like, that sounds really nice until all the rich leave. And sell it. Because what do the wealthy do? Go to Florida.

They find places. that are tax havens to protect their wealth. Look what happened in Alberta after the last election. We had a big influx of people from other provinces just moving here because they're sick of they're sick of this. I think it's odd. People start to, I,

maybe it's always been this way and I just haven't seen it. But like it seems like it's increasing where people are moving to places that support where they align. Like if you're more conservative, you're probably living in Alberta. Or you're thinking about it. Or you're thinking about it. Or you wish you could or this or that.

or if you're like or if you're in the states i hear more and more people saying i hope well a couple things one is i hope it works for alberta because i've moved there in a heartbeat if it does yeah i've heard i'm really considering moving there but i don't want to move for it to fail right they they want to come they want it to succeed and then probably the third one is i think it's just time to get out of canada yeah well that's the thing i wonder like so many people are leaving who are young, who are talented. Well, that's why do you think the liberals are talking about putting up 500,000? Yeah, like.

Not happening. Like, well, I mean, there's already a tax. I mean, they could do it, but how do you, I don't even know how they enforce you paying it. They're going to come down to the states and get you? I don't know. I know there's a, I don't know. I'm sure there's a clever way which they could do it. I mean, if there's anything the liberals are, they're pretty darn clever.

So I don't know. Are re-education camps? Yeah. I mean, it's, it's, I don't know, I, the mashup has taught me one thing. I think over the course of our 200 plus episodes, I've started to laugh more at it. Well, yeah. I mean, I mean, there's, you know, like, you want to be taken seriously, do serious things. And right now the country is doing such silly things.

Well. And sometimes laughter is just the best medicine. But it just, it just leaves this case for why we actually need like real strong. people to lead this like strong men to stand like who's leading our country mark carney you think that he's like what he's he's what five he's shorter than his wife he's like five he's like you got something against short guys i'm not saying nothing about short people but i'm saying jericho's gonna have a wrestling match is carny the best leader this strong man who can lead us through anything no he's an idiot with a dumb haircut and he thinks like oh i was in i was in europe for a while so now i'm the best

guy ever is like and I mean okay here's the thing here's how you judge a leader and this is outlined in the bible says a couple of things it says basically like not everybody wants to be leaders because leaders will be held to a higher account leaders will be judged more harshly and if you cannot lead your family you cannot lead and you cannot lead the church so look at mark carney's family would you say he's leading his family well uh no exactly so how does that make him a good leader look at the people who we want to lead. These are people who lead their families well. Even Pierre, sure, he might lead his family well. Well, going going back to Donald Trump. Donald Trump is not neither. Well, I was, I was talking about this, I think with you guys on the

way on. Who's his spiritual leader? Yeah, that crazy lady. I forget her name. White, something white. Paula White. Paula White. Yeah. Oh, she's nuts. See, that's, I'm going to hijack this for a second because Paula White, that is the representation of ridiculous, what the ridiculous thing that right-wing Christianity has somewhat become, where it's like that's the whole, hey, we got nothing behind us. Like she's blowing into a microphone and then saying she's casting demons out of people. People should go search it on. Go search up that video and find it because she's going.

Well, it's everywhere right now. They've been doing memes of it and everything else. Yeah, because she blows into the microphone and then people are like getting cast back. Did you see the one with the cat? No. You haven't seen the meme with the cat? Oh, that's good. But it's like,

this is where I need Jamie sitting there so I can throw it up on the screen and you can watch. You can watch the meme of the cat sitting there. Oh, but like the stuff that this woman says is like, some of it's straight up heresy. So I don't think we should, I don't think like this is just politicized. Try to politicize Christianity in some ways. And I don't know if you've noticed this.

Other than depicting himself as Jesus, I've never heard Trump really mentioned Jesus ever. He mentions God. He mentions stuff from the Old Testament, but he never mentions Jesus. Why is that? I don't. I haven't heard of reference a New Testament.

He references Moses an awful lot. Which, I mean, I'm not saying it's a bad thing to reference the Old Testament, but you should mention who God is. I actually don't know. I don't think I can even have a comic because I'm like, I don't know if I've watched, like I've certainly watched a lot of Trump. But I don't know if I've ever looked at it closely enough to go,

yeah, I've never known. I tell you what, I'll pay attention. Yeah. I mean, like, I've certainly heard J.D. Vance talk about it. Oh, and J.D. Vance is another, J.D. Vance is, what did he say the other day? He said something about, oh, yeah, the Pope better watch his theology. And it's like, okay, I don't think the Pope is the greatest guy. I don't think that we should have a Pope for sure.

But that J.D. Vance is the greatest? Look, again, look at how they lead their family. He's a Christian, are his children, is his wife? Is he doing a good job of leading his family? no, so he should not be vice president. And this isn't, oh, if you can't lead your family, then we hate you. It's like, no, you need to be not seeking out these roles because your family is the most important thing. So you should, I believe, like, for example, do the same thing you would do with pastors. If a pastor can't lead his family, this is what should be done. If something is going on, you're some turmoil in your family, you can take a sabbatical or something.

Go, spend the time, fix these issues, find solutions these things, and then come back and lead. Whereas these people don't. Look at Mark Carney's family. Fallen Apart. Look at J.D. Vance's family. Falling apart. Trump. Three divorces.

All of this nonsense. Justin Trudeau. Justin Trudeau. Family falling apart. And like not to mention that we also should probably just shouldn't elect anybody that's in the Epstein files. Like Carney was in the Epstein files a bunch. Justin Trudeau was in the Epstein files a bunch.

Trump. I don't know about Vance. I don't think J.D. Vance was really mentioned. But all these people mentioned it. It's like, I don't know. If you're in that sort of circle, I don't think that you're really for the people. And these are the people calling everybody extremists, by the way, for being against that stuff. The people that are calling you an extremist are doing awful things and are eating

children. Like, what more evidence do you have to be like this, this world is nuts and almost beyond human correction, if not already there? Yeah, human correct. Well, I mean, I just, I mean, God, God will, God needs to correct it. Yeah, we live in wild times when, you can rattle off like, you know, you think in the, like in this hour, he had Epstein files, which I mean, it's, I laugh, not because of what's in there, but because of like the fact that they just didn't come out and like, here it is. Well, and that's. And then go arrest some people because, well, an email doesn't mean that they actually, I mean, did you see. Yeah, but are any being investigated is the thing.

I'm not saying Carney did anything. there. I mean, he did have Gilles Maxwell, like Jeffrey Epstein had his phone number and his cell phone. So I don't know. Allegedly, I guess I should say. Allegedly. He had his phone number and his stuff. Yeah, allegedly. But I don't know. It's just, it's stuff is nonsense. It's ridiculous. But I mean, the common person goes, have you, have you seen the Epstein stuff? Yeah. But I mean, it's all allegedly. Yeah. It's all allegedly. Right. Yeah. It's all allegedly. Right. Right. And then you have the picture of Donald Trump being Jesus, and you're like, that's strange. I don't care who you are. That's strange. Like, I just, I can, I cannot envision a time and place where Sean puts up a picture of himself,

dressed like that, doing that. And then you think, okay, the reasonable, well, I'm sure he didn't post it. Then he admits to posting it, and you're like, well, this is getting a whole lot of strange. Because how do you even make... Well, and then these same people are trying to get like Christians and that to justify just going over and killing image bearers of Christ. Like I think good. Like, yes, you're supposed to love man because man was created by God. Like, I mean, that means women too, obviously. But you're supposed to.

But that doesn't mean that the devil can't use men to do his bidding to do what he wants them to do. And God will allow it for a time. But I mean, I don't know. Like, why do we have all of these? Why do you have even pastors like talking about that it would be a good thing to just go over and bomb and kill image bears of Christ? I understand that the government is evil. When you say image bearers of Christ, what do you mean? People.

You, God created man in his own image. So you and I are created in the image of God. So when you're talking about Iran? Yeah, Iran, Israel, all these places. See, when you talk about that you shouldn't bomb people and Iran, people think you're anti-Israel. This is my honest belief on it. There are good people in every single country in the world. There are good people there.

There are Christians in pretty much every single, I would say, every single country on earth. There are Christians there and there are good people there. So by killing anyone and indiscriminately bombing civilians in any of these countries, because their government is evil, isn't really helping anybody. And to say like, oh, Iranians in the United States are saying that this is a good thing. Okay. but then you see a human chain around a around a nuclear power plant in Iran

because they don't want Trump to bomb it. I'm just saying I'm not saying that these people are great and they should just be allowed to do whatever they want and all this nonsense. But what I am saying is you don't just go and kill Image Bears of Christ willy-nilly like you're going nuts. Worry about your own country first. And that's the same thing for Israel.

If anybody's doing anything against Israel, if anybody does anything against any of these places, you shouldn't be doing, you shouldn't be advocating for death and killing because that's not what Christ was for. That's not what Christ said. That's not what he did. Yes, you're supposed to hate what is evil. I don't, I don't know when you, when you put it to things like, oh, the Crusades and things or in defense of something else, but it's a little bit hard to argue that it's in defense when it's like, okay, they said that they, they said they got rid of the nuclear weapons and now they just need to bomb Iran for what reason? They're not really saying

because they're, they state sponsored terrorism. Okay, but they apparently have been doing that for like since the 70s. So why didn't we bomb them then? Why did Trump, why was Trump, why was Trump himself saying that, uh, who was it? Kamala Harris was going to get us and get the United States into war with Iran and then, and then he wouldn't. And then he does. I think, I think it's just ridiculous. And to have people advocating for more death is just wrong. And it's evil. But unless, okay, if you're going to advocate that you should kill people within a country because their, their government is evil, then you should, you should just hold that line. And you can make the case for Canada then too. You can make the case for the United States. You can make the case for

basically every country on earth. That you should just go and start bombing those countries too. Because our government is evil. I just think we need to focus more on the problems that we have. Like maybe killing less children in the womb. Maybe that's a good place to start. And I mean, you said, like, I don't have all the answers. I have all of the answers. And abortion entirely. In Alberta, did you know that with that, sorry, I'm a little tangential. In Alberta, did you know that we leave, that we got you wound up? Do you know that we leave children to die after failed abortions just on the table? In our hospitals in Edmonton and Calgary, all of that?

We do. And we're supposedly conservative. And we're supposedly Christian. And we do this kind of stuff. I don't think that's, I don't think there's any, there's any case to be made for that. That's anything other than sacrifice, child sacrifice to the devil. and anyone that says otherwise is just absolutely ridiculous and doesn't know a thing they're talking about and doesn't know anything about the spiritual.

I don't know if I got anything to have. I don't know, but it's evil. And that's the thing. I mean, we need a true conservative party in Canada. And we need to go back to, we need to go back to Christianity. That's kind of the only way that this will be fixed in a lot of these ways. We need to return to it. We used to be a Christian nation.

We are not anymore. We may say it. But I mean, hey, one thing that, that, Carney did better than Trump, he at least put his hand on the Bible to be sworn in his prime minister. And Trump didn't put his hand on the Bible to be sworn in his president. He refused. Same with Anthony Albernese in Australia. And I don't know about Kier Starmor in the UK, but these people, it's like, I don't know what kind of what you're bringing upon yourself by doing that and then committing evil. But I mean, maybe it's better for Trump that he didn't.

but hey at least at least we still sort of have the bible in some ways here and we need to uphold that as Christians and we need to vote for that well I agree with the um I think that you know like we get so wound up in what's happening elsewhere and we don't stare at the problems in our yeah that's yeah that's in essence I guess kind of what I mean yeah we need to focus on here folks on your community so what are you doing now uh right now I'm more just making TikToks stuff. I don't know. I'd eventually probably like to move towards some sort of a podcast talking about like something biblical in some way, but I need to study the Bible a lot more. I take it I take it somewhat seriously when Jesus said, when it says in the New Testament too that leaders will be held to a higher

account or a higher standard. So I don't want to lead anyone astray by accident. So I don't know. All right now, while I'm doing is I'm making some TikToks about things that I do know. I'm occasionally I'll teach a Sunday school thing in church just about some thing of the Bible. And I have a lot of people in my church that kind of helped me out with guiding me and that and all of that studying and study of the Bible. So I mean, that's just kind of where I am now. But sort of just more focusing on my family and focusing on my work and my business that I'm running and stuff. So yeah, I don't know.

Whenever God calls me, I'll be there. I forgot to throw that across. With the king. Well, I'm like, I'm like, we're, we're, we're, uh, I'm like, what have I missed? And then I've reached my too much for you to be giving out at this point. Well, I tell you what? Um, me and SGB have been having this conversation, right? Like, as the cost of silver goes up, what are we going to do? Copper. And you know what I'm, you know, most, I think now the, the podcast community knows that I'm leaving July. And there's going to be a whole lot more in-person interviews. And I can safely say, SGB isn't going to give me

200 ounces of silver to go out and give away. Get the 200 ounces of silver and just, gone. I never hear from Sean again. I'm like, you know, like, I don't know the price as we sit here today, but, you know, like in recording. Somewhere around 100, let's say. It was over 100. It was back over 100. It was 109 Canadian. And I can safely say, you know, like, I don't know what's going to, I got to sit with SGB and see what they want to do because like copper you know when when we first started giving it out it was 38 bucks 35 dollars somewhere in there now you know I think when you gave the one to me I think it was in the first time I was on it was like 80 bucks it was 60 bucks well you think about it right and it got up to 150 I remember handing it I'm like oh man I was yeah I had it

I moved it I would just I just had it sitting on oh maybe I should put this stuff and I put I ended up putting it in a safe do you collect any silver two pieces you Two pieces. Well, you've got to get on that, man. Yeah, I got to. I really, but now is now that, I don't know when the time to buy is. Is it now? Well, this is where, don't take mine. I was glad I thought of it when I was like, okay, it's up to like a hundred and whatever. You go, what I would say to anyone listening to this that's wondering the same thing is you scroll down if you're on Spotify and Apple, specifically you can also text me. But Graham's numbers in there from SGB.

I would say you talk. In the middle of the night? I would say talk to him. I don't know you know you could wait and see if it ever goes back down but everything you just talked about do you think it's going down? Silver? Yes.

I think it'll jump around. I don't think that I would have if I would have listened to my instincts I would have bought when it was at it's like super high and I would have already lost money so I'm waiting for it to maybe just go down a little bit. Man I just or dollar cost averaging where you buy a little bit at a time maybe you just buy one ounce at a time. See see the the um that thought, I would say is probably the better thought.

Yeah. Waiting to get it at $20 so you can go on unload. Yeah, that's probably not. I don't see. Well, and most of the guys that I follow are all talking about, you know, what at Armstrong have in one of his reports, like $8,500 gold, right? And you go, and closer to $200 silver. Now, what's the time frame on that?

that's a good question. But that isn't 50 years off. Like you look at everything going on in the world and if you go, is it going to get better in the next five years or is things going to increase in its pace and everything else? I guess I lean to that thought more and therefore I go the cost averaging. That thought makes sense to me. In Matthew 24, Jesus says because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold.

So I think of anything, wickedness will increase. that doesn't mean that we should let it. We should try to stop it. I think that it can swing like a pendulum. That doesn't mean it will get that it can't get better. But eventually we eventually we'll see the end times. So I mean whether things will get better or not. I say it every day in the ad reads, right?

Silver's the wagon. It is. I should probably just talk to Silvergoble because I need somebody to tell me what to do. I'm very bad at. Well, the thing about talk, everybody raves about Graham, specifically because he he deals with all the people from the podcast and he every time I see him he's always got a new story and somebody that's called and he always says they're uber friendly like ridiculously nice people and take physical delivery of your silver from them like you ship it

right to your doorstep okay good yeah yeah it's it's awesome it's you should see how you should see when you're on your road trip yeah see if you can buy some stuff in silver like if anybody will accept it well I think I think if you can buy something in silver, you know how you say, oh, you go to a church and you'll, you know, you start talking to people. You're all there for a similar thing. Yeah.

I'm like, you find somebody willing to take something in silver? I guarantee you're going to be best friends because if you're willing to do that, you already know the value of what's sitting in the... Oh, I would. I would take somebody paying me in silver. Well, as would I, right? But there will be a bunch that don't even know

what you're talking about. Silver, what are you talking about? Bitcoin community would be another one that would, you're right, as soon as you're transferring or paying for everything and dealing in Bitcoin, that's already like a code word or a code society of all sudden you're in that society. Oh, you know what it's about? Oh, okay.

And silver or precious metals is another way of introducing yourself to a whole new community of people that have been recognizing something as drastically off in society and have been, you know, we all wish we could go, I think we all wish we could go back to 10 years ago and sink our life savings into gold so that when it gets to this point, we're like laughing. But the same token, I go, yeah, but are things going to get better or worse in the next decade? Probably worse.

And I don't, I think for me personally, I am eternally optimistic. I think lots of great things are coming. Oh, I think that's a make the best of. But society, the fact we have a liberal majority, I go, I don't, I don't align with pretty much, you know, they cut the fuel tax. That was good. Yeah. So what you're saying is sell everything that you have, but I don't put it all into silver.

That's not what I'm saying. And actually, in fairness, lots of, you know, like, SGB will tell you. Yeah. That, you know, don't do more than you can handle, right? They don't want you to mortgage your house and go buy it all. But you know what? I think it was Dave Bradley. Was it Dave Bradley?

It was, forgive me, as one of the Bitcoin guys, cut me off. He goes, that's exactly what I'm telling you to do right now. And I was like, oh, right? So maybe you got a higher threshold for stress and you're like, I'm putting it all in the Bitcoin. I would be so worried. I'd be checking it every 30 seconds. being like what silver out now? Oh, I know. Yeah, so I'm a long, I'm a long term.

I don't have a crazy amount of investments, folks. Don't let me sell it like I got millions of dollars. I don't. But I'm a long term guy. I don't do the day trading. I look at it over. With silver, I look at it all the time because I like talking about it because I think it's a wagon. I'm just like, I watched it go from $38 a couple years ago.

And then before Christmas we're sitting in this studio, me and Ken going, what do you think silver gets to? By the end of the year, you know, it was our New Year's Eve episode, but we'd record a few days earlier. He's like, it's going to go over 100. And I'm like, over 100, you think so? And it was only, what, beginning of January, second week of January? And it was a buck 50. And you're like, holy crap.

Like, when does this end, right? And then, of course, it came back. And now we sit here and we wait. And I'm just, I was waiting. It's buck nine again. I'm like, I don't know, man, this piece. Everybody's, you know, Armstrong always talks about it's all about. people's confidence in what's actually going on.

Yeah. And then as reality starts to set in, you're going to see things happen. But then you hear somebody like Dave Ramsey and he's like, don't buy any gold, don't buy any silver. Hey, when you're down, go down to Tennessee and interview Dave Ramsey. I would love to interview Dave Ramsey. I was just telling one of my good friends that like when we started paying off everything, Mel and I, we took a lot of what Dave Ramsey said to get out of debt.

Me and my wife did the exact same thing and it works very well. Yes, it does. So yeah, do that. I'd be curious if he says never own any precious metals. I don't know. Or if he's like down the line, that's something you want to start looking at. I don't want to speak for. I don't want to speak for him.

Dave Ramsey would be a cool interview. Don't put a lot. At the very least it's don't only do silver. I mean, I don't think anyone would say it, but he still still did say like he's like just invest in like normal growth stock mutual funds in. I think he talks about with investing to have it in growth. aggressive growth, international,

growth, aggressive growth, and international, I think are the only things that he talks about having three, maybe four. He talks about not having single stocks, not having this, so I think that applies.

Not 100% sure. You have to interview him. If I know what he says, ask him. I tell you what, we plan on going to Tennessee. There's a bunch of people there. Are you going to stay in the,

you got to stay in the pyramid. In the pyramid? Yeah, in, which part of Tennessee is that? The Baspero, Just look up the Bass Pro pyramid. You can stay in there.

At the very least, you have to go, but you have to stay in there. The Bass Pro Pro Shop is a pyramid. It's the largest, it's the third or fourth largest pyramid in the world is a Bass Pro shops. And you can stay in there. You can stay in it. I think it's in Knoxville, if I'm not mistaken.

Let me get this straight. Bass Pro built a building that is a giant pyramid. Giant pyramid. Have you been to Las Vegas? No. Oh, you haven't? Oh, you've got to go there too. It's great.

It's good to just walk around. see the place. That's funny. I've never had this like draw to go to Vegas. Anyone's been to Las Vegas has seen the Luxor probably the pyramid there. It's bigger than that. I haven't been there myself.

I'd like to go. Stay there. I'll send you a picture. How's that? We'll see if we can't get there. Yeah, see if you get to the pyramid on your way down. Josh, thanks for coming in and doing this.

Appreciate you making the trip. I'll say one last thing. Sure. For anybody out there that is worried about the times that we're in, is worried about anything that's going on. There is one ultimate truth out there because I'll be honest, the world is evil and the world is sick, but the only one that can overcome it is the Lord Jesus Christ and you can follow him and you can find him. And it's not as complicated

as anybody makes it seem. You just accept him into your life and pray and allow the Holy Spirit to reside within you and to change your heart. And you just watch. If you were to accept Christ today a year from now, your life would be remarkably different in many ways. And I'm sure that you find ultimate joy in life and an ultimate peace that you cannot find anywhere else on earth well there's a line and a song if you go looking for the truth the truth will find oh yeah and it doesn't take as long as you think truth is found in jesus christ and people can find me on so tick to talk josh hardom that's it's got it yeah there's my shameless plug thanks for coming in josh thank you for having me