Shaun Newman Podcast - #1038 - Janice Trey

Episode Date: April 22, 2026

Janice Trey is a Chinese labor camp survivor who spent her first nine years in a forced labor facility during Mao's Cultural Revolution, an experience that shaped her deep commitment to truth, freedom, and exposing authoritarianism. She immigrated to the United States, earned degrees, became a licensed CPA, and built a successful career as a Fortune 500 executive with expertise across industries. She later served as CEO and Board Chair of The Epoch Times and NTD TV, where she has been a vocal advocate against CCP infiltration, censorship, and propaganda, frequently speaking at congressional and public events on these issues. She is also associated as spokesperson for SafeMeet and holds MIT certification.Watch the Cornerstone Forum 26’https://shaunnewmanpodcast.substack.com/Silver Gold Bull Links:Website: https://silvergoldbull.ca/Email: [e-mail] Grahame: [phone]Bow Valley Credit UnionBitcoin: www.bowvalleycu.com/en/personal/investing-wealth/bitcoin-gatewayEmail: [e-mail] Get your voice heard: Text Shaun 587-217-8500

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Alright, that's all I got for you today. Tale of the tape coming in. Today's guest is a spokesperson for SafeMeet and Board Chair of the Epoch Times. I'm talking about Janice Trey. So buckle up. Here we go. Welcome to the Sean Newman podcast today. I'm joined by Janice Trey.

Janice, thanks for hopping on. Sean, thank you for having me on your show. It's your first time on the show. I wouldn't mind if you'd spend a little time, just telling us a little bit about yourself. Yes, so I grew up in a forced labor camp in China during the Cultural Revolution's purely because my parents were engineers, so we were sent to labor camps. And I was child labor, first grade, second grade, third grade, growing sugar cane for the school, carry fertilizers to the top of the hill, and then pick up crops, drop on the crop fields

because they used menu harvesting. And I eventually left to Hong Kong because my father never have a chance to learn Christianity. And my grandfather escaped communism. He was a successful banker. He owned a bank, and they robbed his bank, and he fled to Hong Kong. And so I have a chance to join my grandfather in Hong Kong

and went to a Christian school. on the Tianan Square Massacre, 1989, June 4th, 1988, that was a turning point for me, experienced firsthand the Cultural Revolution saw my best friends who was a medical school students work on the ambulance at Tianan Square

and carried dozens of dead bodies. And that was a trigger point for me to apply for colleges in the U.S. So I came alone at the age of, of 19, not knowing anybody in this country, but I was very fortunate that Americans reread the land of freedoms. And my mentor at church recommended me to study accounting because accounting was number one in the nation at University of Texas and Austin. And I follow her advice and I passed my certified public accountant exam before my

graduation and then I started as a financial analyst and then eventually various jobs in Fortune 500 companies I became vice presidents for five of the Fortune or global 500 companies and then eventually I was tapped to lead the Epoch Times and NDDTV and so it was quite a change you know from corporate worlds to non-profits but I appreciate you know, Eupac Times reporting on true tradition and hope. And also, as you know, many media outlets have abandoned traditional journalism presenting facts. But oftentimes they are influenced by major shareholders or billionaire owners with certain agenda, with the Sepul Times focus on providing the facts to the readers and let them make the choice.

So I was glad to take up the opportunity and really bring in my Fortune 500 corporate experience, executive experience, to really upscale the operations, incorporate a lot of best practices. And now I am the board chair of the Epile and NDDTV. and my passion go beyond the media areas and I'm a spokesperson for safe needs, which is innovative encrypted software applications, which will go in more details. And I'm also helping another innovative energy companies to solve the energy solutions for the world. So that's what I've been working out. That's quite the list of things.

If I go back maybe just to the beginning, you mentioned you grew up in a forced labor camp as I guess a kid, right? Tell what age were you in? I think you mentioned grade two or three. Yeah, so I was forced labor, first grade, second grade, third grade. Yeah. When, I don't know, growing up here in Canada, I'm just trying to get, you know, growing up on the farm, something called that forced labor.

I feel like this is just a touch different. You mentioned your parents were engineers and they were put in a forced labor camp because of that. Can you walk me through what you mean by all that? Yeah. So if you look at the eight decades of communist rule, so first in China, they mobilize the farmers, farmers redistribute the land. They never did. but that's the land work confiscated in the hands of the Commerce Party.

Then they have the culture revolutions, which they sent educated people into remote areas, working in labor camps, you know, like my mom was doing sewing, my father had to operate farm equipment, they cannot apply, they could not apply their engineering skills. And it was so remote that it would take my mom two days of bus trips to get back to her hometown. It was so remote. And so let me describe how it was in a forced labor camp. There was only one television sets for the entire camps, hundreds of people.

There was no private toilets in your homes. There was no hot water, there was no shower facilities, and it was really primitive. And only one television. I watched, I watched the television only twice, and everybody in the whole labor camp got to watch it really twice was Moussitong and Joan Lai's funeral. Everybody must wear something black stood in front of the television. So my association of television was funeral. It was not until I went to Hong Kong. I was surprised, pleasantly surprised to find cartoons and news, you know, in televisions. I actually pick up paper slips from the balloons from Taiwan that would drop into my area.

And in the paper slip, it said, we don't ride bicycles, we have private cars, we have refrigerators with washer dryers. And I asked my parents, like, what are refrigerators? What are the washer dryers? like they didn't exist. And so when I went to Hong Kong, eventually, I compared the textbooks for the same historic periods of mainland China, of Taiwan and Hong Kong. They have totally different description for the same historic periods. So that sold the seeds in me, was the truth.

And go back to the communist rule. So cultural revolutions and then 1989, the Tianan's Great Massacus, students have no weapons, they want democracy, just like people in Eastern Europe, in Russia, they got democracy. But in China, at the time, Jiang Zemin was mayor of Shanghai, and overnight, he became the head of Commerce Party. Why? Because he was too successful in covering up the student uprising in Shanghai. People only knew about the Tianan Square Massacre, but not know about that one, the student protests in Shanghai. So if you look at John Sommin's history, his father betrayed China. So during Japan-China War, Jansamin was able to play the piano,

and he had piano at his home. I mean, like, during war times, you know, that's unusual because his father was a trader working for the Japanese government. And Jansamine used, John Zemin has had been very paranoid because he rose to power. He was known as the Chinese hila with the bloody hands. So when Jansomim visited NASA in Houston, scientists at NASA, Ding Tai Ying, refused to shake hands with Jansomim and said, don't want to shake the hands, the bloody hands,

and that makes news. So Jansomimin was the one who started, the persecution of Falun, which based on truth, compassion, forbearance. Before July 1999, there were 70 to 100 million people practiced Falun Gong. It's five sets of gentle Tai Chi exercises and meditations. It's known for the best health benefits. For those work in Chinese government enterprises, the medical reimbursement system works as you pay out of pocket first, and then you get reimbursement through your work unit. and you submit for reimbursements.

So the managers and the government leaders have found that how come those people who came for reimbursement every month? All of a sudden, they are healthier and they don't need reimbursements. What happens? One common threat was after they practiced Falun Gong and they become healthier. And what Jiang Zemin saw was an opportunity to show who's truly loyal to him, because he rose to power kind of out of sequence. And even though the seven Politburo members,

five of them opposed the persecution of Falun Gong because they have family members or even their spouses, practice Falun Gong. But Jansomim used that to show who's truly loyal to him at the time. And that was the persecution. So you see, you know, attack the landlords, then attack the educated people because they want to silence them. And then they attacked the students, you know, who won democracy,

and then they attacked the Falun Gong, which said nothing wrong of belief in truth, compassion, forbearance. But truth, compassion, forbearance is the direct opposites of the communist ideology. Communism is not only atheistic, it's antichrist. They want to replace all faith with belief in communism and communists alone. And so that's kind of the back. And so I am very fortunate to be in front of you today and with the audience, you know, I could have been killed during the forced labor camps. I could have been killed during the Tiaman Square massacre. And I could have been killed because of the persecution of Falun Gong.

So the fact that I am alive, I am committed to give a voice to the voiceless to my last breath. I got way too many questions. So I'm just going to keep going back. You keep saying things and I'm like, I don't know what that is. Did you say paper slips from balloons? Yes. What do you mean? So in Taiwan, they send balloons and inside the balloon. So before you blow the balloons, you put paper slips. So like almost like a bottle with a message in it, but a balloon with a message in it. Exactly. Exactly. And who was doing this?

From Taiwan. So Taiwan would send it over in balloons. Yes. And then you get the balloon and inside of it would be a message of... The message was, we don't ride bicycles, we have private cars, we have refrigeration, we have refrigerator, we have televisions, we have washer dryers. And... And you get this and be like, what is a washer dryer?

Because those things did not exist in the forced labor camp. Oh, that's wild. Yeah. And if actually when I visited President Lyndon Johnson's childhood home in Texas, I compare, you know, I look at the kitchen setting. I look at what type of like kitchenware and cooking, you know, what did he use or his family use. And I compared to the labor camps. I mean, his time was much early than the, and then it was like we were much more primitive than LBJ's childhood time.

So this is the roughly 70s, correct, in China? Yes. When you look at China today, like you fast forward 50-some years, roughly, are there still, like, do you think China is, in a similar position under the Chinese Communist Party. Because people, and maybe I should just add to that, like they talk about China being the next global superpower and all these different things, you know, competing against the United States and Russia and Great Britain and, you know, certainly Canada's not in that grouping, although Mark Carney tries to position us as such, do you still look at the Chinese Communist Party

and what's happening in China the same way of, I mean, I assume it's Chinese. changed immensely since then. Well, since the 1980-19-M-Square massacre, what the communist leader asked, the world leaders, have, like, endless behind-the-door discussions. So don't bring the human rights to the front. And so if you look at the United Nations, United States have multiple resolutions criticizing the human rights,

you know, abuses in China, and they were all shot down in the United States. nations because China brought African countries and, you know, those, you know, and also you look at who's on the security commissions, countries that have diverse human rights records. So what China has been doing is to suppress information, provide this information. Let's just look at the Iran War. everybody were pleasantly, you know, relief when the two pilots and the other weapon officers were rescued. But in China, they painted a totally different pictures.

I mean, this was so heroic and showed that U.S. military would not leave a single soldier behind. regardless of how much risk it may take and how much weaponry, you know, you may spend on it. But China painted a totally different story. And so the information blockage and the suppression is very widespread. And that's why I was the executive director for the Global Internet Freedom Consortium since 2013. And I'm very much, you know, focused on safe meets and encryption tool because having a secure communication channels for people in close societies so that they can know the truth is utmost importance. And China has suppressed the internet.

So if you type Jiangzamine, the former head of state, head of military, head of Communist Party, you find zero searches. How could that be zero searches? Because they have not figured of ways to provide only good news. If you search June 4th of Tianan's square massacre in China, you won't find anything about the Tianmen Square massacres. So people will come up with like the 34th dates of May, you know, in order to get to June 4th, and then you can find some information. So today, China, if you visit China, you see a lot of high-rise buildings, you know, speech training and all sorts of like technological improvements, you know, nice airport, so and so forth. But fundamentally, people do not have a choice of the faith.

I mean, many underground churches and many of the church leaders were persecuted. When Pope John Paul II, when he named bishops, there was one on, undisclosed name because that bishop was in China. Had that name been released, that would be persecuted to death. And even Bishop Zen in Hong Kong, he's in his 80s now, and he has broken up against the human rights abuses. He has begun up on Falun Gong's and people should have faith, regardless of what faith you choose, but you at least have the choice.

Because we believe in, we're created by the creator, how could you be totally cut off from opportunity to reconnect with the divine? So in China, there's no religious freedom, there's no press freedoms, and there's no internet freedoms. So what does freedom when you have none of that? China has liked to sign a lot of fancy agreements, but it's about the executions, even the trade deals. China had not live up to, the Communist China have not live up to the promises made to President Trump's on the soybean purchase and, you know, even the, the written promise from Xi Jinping to President Trump about not supplying weapons to Iran. That was a lie. I mean, China has been supplying military equipment before the war, during the war, and right now.

and supply, you know, satellite images and so on and so forth. So a lot of people have the forced hope on communist China. I think we need to wake up to that, you know, there's no coexistence between communism and the free world. In particular, with the communist leader in China, the goal is to conquer the world. They spend so much money and effort, in the civil and bail initiatives, you know, to take over to control Middle East,

to control Latin America's countries because they have ambitions. And, but it's really a paper tiger. So, Ipork Times published the nine commentaries of the Chinese Communist Party's, and it systematically showcased the brutality, And that nine commentaries has inspired 480 million people withdrew from the Chinese Communist Party memberships. The next younger tier is called the youth lead and then the very young one, like the students, the young students, those are the young pioneers. 480 million people have withdrew from the Communist Party memberships and its affiliated organizations memberships. And so that is the process of transforming China.

from communist stick to new communist stick in the most peaceful and non-violence and kind of a very silent wait. Because now they're awakened to the fact that communism is like a sinking Titanic and you want to get out of the Titanic before it sink. And if you're trying to look at why China trying to attack Taiwan, it's just a small island.

Is it because they need more land? No, the communist leader gave away a lot of land to Russia. And because Taiwan is a democratic society. So the Communist Party's rule that democracy is only for the Westerners, not for Asians and not for Chinese. And the contrast of existence of a democratic society with elections and so on versus the Communist Chinas, they could not tolerate. So they will try everything, whether use weapon directly or infiltrations, you know, deeply infiltrated in the Taiwan on all levels of the governments.

And I call kind of the book that the Chinese Communist Party, at least for the current leader and the past two leaders, have been following as the book called America's Against America. by Huang Huning, who's the number four of highest in power in China sitting on the Pulib Bureau. He has been the vizier to Xi Jinping, to Hu Jintao, and before. And so he authored the book in 1991, America's Against America. He visited many college campuses in the U.S. and also met with you know, member of Congress and different agencies, so and so forth.

And the playbook of Americas Against America has been in play in this country, in our beloved country. Let me give you examples. So using our legal systems have frivolous lawsuits. And even though they eventually lose, but the damage has been made. You know, so many people cannot afford very expensive lawsuits. And then the infiltration in the government agency. Give you an example,

Shen Yun performing artists and non-profit organizations. It shows as known as the world-classical Chinese dance, life orchestra, and patented animated backdrop showing 5,000 years of civilization before communism. And so the Chinese Communist Party used as agents, agents to bribe IRS Internal Revenue Services Officers to change the non-profit status of Shen Yun. I mean, luckily, in that case, the FBI agents was the ones that was involved, and so eventually the people were put to justice for bribing IRS agents.

And so that's, you know, that's one way. And then the first lawsuits widespread. I mean, it's called the lawfare. And actually, Xi Jinping in October 22, specifically, have the mandates to export the persecution of Falun Gong and Falun Gong-related organizations outside China. to defame them, to get them into favorous lawsuits, and it's the strategy, because Xi Jinping and the commerce leaders are most afraid of America. America is known as the international police,

and it's known as, you know, the number one in terms of military, the number one in terms of technologies, and also we have a president who is brave and courageous to speak up. And if you compare President Reagan's Pope John Paul II, both of them have near-death assassinations, and afterwards they both spoke strongly against communism. And we hope that, you know, our presidents will continue to speak up against communism. When you see Canada specifically drawing closer to China and further away from the U.S., what are your thoughts on that? I love Canada. I've been there many times, and nice people, beautiful countries.

And I work with late David Kugel, who was the deputy speaker of House of Commons. and was a former Secretary of State for Latin Americans in Asia Pacific. And, you know, during his time, you know, I would say Canada was more willing to speak up on human rights abuses. And unfortunately, the more recent history have shown that drawing closer to come with China and further away from US. And that's a very, very dangerous move. You know, US and Canada are neighbors. And it's not only the open of southern border. The northern border is a risk because they are terrorists

who have gone to Canada and they could easily come over to US. And also, you know, countries that are faith-based, you know, U.S. as a faith-based countries, you know, was founded that way at least. And, you know, we believe in the creators. We believe in communism is Antichrist, and why would you want to kind of like be in bed with anti-crice force? And I think if you look at around the world, compare the GDP of Taiwan versus mainland China, compare the GDP of North Korea and South Korea, that's a huge contrast. They are Koreans, they are Chinese, the people are the same, but the different regimes show a domestic difference. So I hope Canadians will think about

that would I want to be more like U.S. or would I want to be closer? to the Commerce China. I mean, if you look at 480 million Chinese have withdrawal from the Chinese Commerce Party and its affiliate organizations denounce the party affiliations, why would Canadian leaders want to draw closer to the Commerce China? And think of one day, maybe in history, look back.

I mean, today taking a photo, a photo of with Xi Jinping, you know, imagine a photo of of Hitler, anyone who have a photo opse of Hitler will probably want to destroy that photos, eliminated. But it's as a choice. And also, I mean, Canada, here's a country with values, with culture that's so different than communist culture. And why would you not want to preserve the beautiful culture, the beautiful values,

the noble values. And I mean, I would say align the values of humanity. When you talk like under communism, you don't have, you mentioned two things that I wrote down, religious freedom and press freedom. I understand fully the freedom of press. The freedom of religion, I don't know if I fully understand, like under communism, you're not allowed to practice any faith? So give you an example, for 50 years, there were not a single church permit was allowed in Beijing

before the announcements of Beijing will hold the Olympics. There are so many businesses, there are so many religious organizations around the world we want to have churches in Beijing. They just allow them. Why? I mean, that is the reflections of they don't want. you know, faith there. As well, they start building churches in Beijing

because in preparation for Olympics, you know, people want to go to churches. If you look at Secretary Condi Rice, during her visits to China, she made a point of going to church. But none of those are real churchgoers, they are actors and actress sitting in the church during her visits. the real churchgoers go to underground churches

because they won't want to be controlled. I mean, for example, like if you compare in Tibetan Buddhism, you know, they have their llama. And so in China, they will pick the llama for Tibet's. Like, well, that's not a Communist Party's choice. And like bishops,

why would Pope John Porter 2ndes have an undisclosed name of a bishop? up in China, you know, that sets a lot. And so China. Sorry, if you were, sorry, if you were proclaimed Christian in China and tried to go and just attend church on a Sunday, that, like, that doesn't exist? Well, you could go there, but you are under surveillance. You cannot freely share, you know, all your weakness, your testimony. and because anything there, it could be taken against you.

So it's not like, oh, if you repent with the father, right? And so don't trust that. Those will be confidential repentance. So is this, like when you come, when I come full back circle to save me, right? Yes. What you're speaking on. Is this like your childhood, and living through different things, when you get to where you're sitting right now,

what a Canadian or even American may beginning to understand through the COVID hysteria of how media was controlled, how things were monitored. You're like, the Chinese have known this for a very long time. Anyone who's grown up in communist anything understands surveillance. And so you go, you need a way to be able to share freely your thoughts. and that's where Safe Meat comes in? Absolutely. Imagine you can have Bible study

with hundreds of millions of people in China, with people in Russia, with people in Nigeria where Christians are being persecuted. All it takes as long as the Internet connections. You can have Bible study in a totally encrypted manners. So Safe Meat, S-A-F-E-F-U-E-E-F-U. E-M-E-E-T. It's a single application that integrates calling, texting, file sharing, and

video conferencing all in one single app. So it minimized the risk from jumping from one app to the others. And the encryption technology is based on frame-by-frame encryptions. So if someone intercept, they only got a frame, they could not make out of it. It's a simple. It's a very, It's not like encrypt an entire file after you're done with the video conference that we're doing, but it's frame by frame. And to decrypt, it requires the local key. The local key to decrypt only store on your phone or your computer, nowhere else. So any hackers trying to get into your information, they cannot get to your physical device

or your physical computer. So they cannot decrypt it. even safe meet staff cannot decrypt. Even a court subpoena cannot get to it because nobody has that second key other than people in a conversation. Even though you can make phone calls, it never used any cell phone tower. So it avoided the situations where if dropping at the cell phone tower because many cell phone towers, the modems and all so on and so forth, very vulnerable.

You know, the metadata can be taken and taken. then decrypted. And it's the technology that has been trusted by NASA, NATO, German Department of Defense, French Department of Interior, and the UK National Health Services, the same type of inquisition technology that's used by SAFEME, that's the same one that trusted by those agencies that I mentioned. And SAVEME also has its own ecosystems. It does not use any of the big techs, cloud infrastructures or virtual private servers. SafeMitt has its own ecosystems. We all know that there are so many hackings at the cloud, so whether it's Amazon Cloud, you know, the Google or Microsoft. Many of the clouds,

they store things and also it's vulnerable for tech. SaveMitt's own ecosystem. have the anti-blocking at the cloud level, at the software levels, at every level, every step. So it's very safe. And you avoid the situation of like deplatforming. Remember, Paula was the platform overnight by AWS. And many people are not aware when they have the business on those big tech, if they want to kill you overnight, they can just de-platform you,

and then you lose touch with your customers. You won't be able to survive the next day. And many of the big tech, their policy, oh, if we are down because of certain attack or whatever reason, they don't have to give you a real reason. They say, we'll just reimburse you for the downtime, but your survival is at risk. You know, as a business, you cannot afford to have downtime,

not able to answer to your customers. And so SafeMeets has this home ecosystem. And many people are not aware that their financial records and the health records, they really need a safe place and only share with trusted people. For example, in Safe Meets, I create a generous private rooms. And that's where I posted my health records and my financial records. and my financial records, the bank statements, and so on, so forth. And I could share with a financial advisor when I need that.

If I'm at the doctors, the automatures and dentists, I will share my x-ray and whatever records I have with them at the fingertips. So you don't have to use, you know, ICloud or use any of those like software. So when you see Bill Gates talking about linking them all together and having your, you know, we really need to have security and all these lovely words. I assume you have some thoughts on that. Well, the big tech has been systematically monetized. And so all the competing software use phone number.

And why? Because they want your location. And they want to access your phone directory. And Save Me only requires an email address to register. Never use the phone, even though you can make calls on it. And so that removed the vulnerability. Phones is not safe. It's very easy to hack. I mean, even as rich as Jeff Bays or his phone was hacked.

So big tech leaders or founders, if you look at what they're trying to go after, first they're trying to beat the competition, They want themselves to be the number one. It's like profit-driven fame and reputation and so on and so forth. But do they really put the customers information first and foremost? No. I mean, if you look at recently, actually Elon Musk has reposed about WhatsApp saying that people have been cheated by WhatsApp, they thought they're not. And even people believe in signal, signal is an encrypted platform.

However, there was a backdoor and the back door could be available for certain people. So example, when Taka Carson, before he visited Russia with Pudence, he was approached by NSA and Taka asked the NSA person, how do you, he was asked by NSA people, say, why are you going to Russia? He said, how do you know that I'm going to Russia?

He said, well, we read your signal messages. He said, I have not even told my wife about my trips. Like, you know about it? And then Tucker, while he was in Russia, meeting with Putin, he was in touch with Snowden. And so the exchange on signals with Snowden was leaked. And so I think people have to take the risk, you know. I'm just sharing.

Yeah. Do you think North Americans in general are just naive to the level of censorship happening to us right now? Well, I think people go for convenience. You know, phone, yes. I also see why the competitors use phone because everybody has phone and it's just easy, you know, easy to use. And convenience, you know, can you look up, you know, rather than, you know, you have to put an email and then you get that confirmation. and so on and so forth. But that's how to protect you because when you register SafeMeet, you can go to savemeat.us. You can download, you can go to Apple App Store or Google Play Store

and download SaveMeet and you use the email to register and you get a confirmation email so that we know it's not a computer generated, it's a real person's. And then if there are updates in which we update quite frequently, we'll inform to you there's an update. But you can set up an email exclusively for Safe Me Communications. We have no interest in your other communications, but we have a way to connect with you. Whereas all the competing software using phone number, so you remember, my voice, you know, of the signal issues with the staff level, added the phone number of a journalist to a, you know, a call that's not supposed to be open to the press. And so you see how vulnerable it is.

And with a safe meet in every single call, in particular, video conferencing, you have a choice to verify one by one the participants. So you have a very secure call. So you verify each person's. And you can kick out the ones that's not. With this, you know, signal, just the phone number you get in. And then there may be situations that you want everybody, like your show, you know, Sean Newman's shows, you know, want the world know about it,

and then, you know, that video conferencing can be open to the world. And in that case, you know, you can be open-ended, but every single meeting, you make that decision. If you want to verify users or not verify users, so the security is at your hands. And I would say back to your questions. many people I've spoken to, they are not aware of such an innovative, leading-edge app that combine four functions in one, and it's free. And it's really created by people who American citizens believe in preserving the freedom and really want to enable people include societies to have a direct communications, you know, bypass all the censorship. And so it is one single tool that you can have Bible study. Imagine Bible study with a billion

people in the world. All it takes is somebody have internet. And they don't need to worry. You know, why they do underground churches, you know, they're so high risk. And you can do it your home, at your work and anywhere. And communication is key. I mean, if you look at the term regimes and close societies, what's the first thing they do? They will shut down the communication channels because they don't want people to communicate.

And, you know, think of like another COVID. So, Epoch Times actually reported about COVID since December 2019. And we have, at the time, there's no such turn as COVID, by the description of pandemic since really ringing the alarm. And so our subscribers, when traveling to China, read Epoch Times through the VPN, and they changed the return flight back to U.S. or back to Europe and to Australia, and they were able to escape the lockdown. Versus their relatives and colleagues were on the same schedule return flights.

They never make it back to the home country. countries, they die in China because of COVID. So timely information could save lives. At the epoch time, fact, in the SARS-respirate disease in the early 2000s, we reported dozens of articles and really forced the Beijing regime to omitted there was SARS-respirate disease. And Wall Street Journal admitted that Ippock Times was the first one to break the news. Ahead of New York Times, LA Times, Washington Post, everyone.

So timely information, and I look at COVID, Epit Times has reporters on the ground in China, not recycling the propaganda by the communist regime. Our reporters went to funeral homes, went to cemeteries, and talked to nurses, talked to doctors, and talked to neighbors, and to get first-hand information. The real death toll, we actually track the number of cell phone cancellations. So in China, they want to control.

So payment was done by phone, oftentimes in cities. So if one person die, you probably won't cancel the phone. But if the whole family died, nobody there to renew. right so the number of phones cancellations subscription cancellation was so huge and we look at the real statistic look at the student enrollments you know under the one child policy then and now it's opening up but you know people will send the kids to school even if you have a second child or third child but education is the number one thing you know for chinese families and so if you they would send kids to to to school

and there's not as widespread of like homeschooling here. So the enrollment was very low, and China now has the lowest birth rate for the past 400 years. So the rose see China that people see the sky scrapers and all that, a lot of society propaganda. So my colleague, during SARS disease, visited China was found very strange.

A lot of clothes for renovation signs in front of the hotel, even though there was no renovations going on because they have no idea when they can be reopened. And then, you know, in some high-rise buildings, you know, the office building on the tops or residents on the top, and then there were some like kind of a more, shopping mall types in the first few floors in a, in the prime locations. She was wondering like, no, you know, like so few people, you don't see

people come in and out, you know, like what's wondering and, you know, minimum lights. I mean, they all have lights at night, but with minimum, if you track the electricity, the electricity usage in many of the homes were just like operate the lights and the fridge or so. So those were empty. But China, when they're low in electricity, they will prioritize to make sure it looks good in the photo shootings that all the lights are on, on all the buildings, demanding even residential buildings to keep the lights on tonight so that they could not tell. The foreigners could not tell that those were empty places. So back to your original questions. Communism, And communist leaders are known for using deception tactics.

They deceive their own citizens. You think they won't deceive foreigners? And it's a very risky situation. You know, the once and for all solution is to end communism so that people can have, you know, rule of law, in China can have treaties that will live up to us and to, you know, really be connected with the rest. Well, why would China, you know, censor Internet? Why would China send, Commerce China, sense of faith? Why would Congress China censor press? Because they are hiding something from their own citizens and also from the world.

So it's a systematic anti-American sentiments that the Communist China was portraying with the current Iran War. They've been painting a very totally different picture. You know, US has been winning in all fronts, but it was painted a totally different pictures. So that's why the existence of press like the Epoch Times, able to bring information in and out of China, play a very crucial role. Airport Times published in 23 languages, 35 countries.

And the Chinese edition of Epoch Time is the most widely read Chinese language paper outside Ming and China. I assume your journalists in China are using safe meat. Well, we don't disclose what tools they use. Fair enough. But all I mean is it's not like they're walking around going, hey, I work for Epoch Times in China while they're sending information back to the United States. Yeah, they cannot disclose their identities. I mean, we have, you know, our journalists being in prisons for decades. And we have even relatives of journalists who work in the U.S. have been constantly harassed.

you know so there's been uh and then we have many even outside china there have some who have decided not to go on cameras because they're relatives in china so yeah janis if i go back to one of your your um formidable memories i would say you talked about having three books three different histories you're sitting there you put them all out and you go they're all telling a different story to actually what happened in a world like today where the information space is insane to say the least, right? It is chaotic. There is a ton of stuff coming from 50, well, I'm going to say 50 different places, but we all know it's more than that. You know, if you go back to the three books, though, what did that, what did that impress upon

your young mind and even to today? I was wondering which version is true. Right. And that sold the seat. So that's why when I was asked to lead the press organization, I said, yeah, I mean, knowing the truth is important. And I was lucky, you know, after, you know, three decades of, you know, corporate experience, including vice presidents for five Fortune 500 companies, I feel like I can, you know, incorporate some of the best practices in corporate worlds, you know, into press organizations and then take it to the levels and helping people find the truth. Right now in U.S. is very divisive environment. Canada, too.

Canada's a very divisive place right now as well. Well, that's kind of the tactics of communism. They sow divisions. They sow chaos. And they create a chaos. So if you look at the protests, many of the protests and destroying statues, whether directly, indirectly, it was the playbook of cultural revolutions. They destroy temples. They destroy confuses statues.

They make people fight against each other. That's how they're trying to weaken U.S., trying to weaken Canada and weaken the Western societies. So in the process of being a part of a media company. How do you get around the deception? Is that by having people on the ground at all these different places, feeding back information in real time? Or is there more levels to it than that? Well, certainly, we've done a lot of research.

And we also have people who have the connections to give the information. For example, Professor Yerong being a law professor, left child. first went to Australia. And many of the people in the governments were students of Professor Yuan Hong-Bing. So his information, we trust his sources. You know, that's the type of connections

that's beyond what a journalist could do, right? Because those, and in the traditional Chinese societies, you know, the relationship between the teacher and the students in particular, like it was the, you know, top university in law professors, you know, you have that trust and we'll share information, and they need that channel to release the information because they trust him that he will protect the source, right? And so we do analysis, the analysis, and then we also have people who provide very good insightful information. So we have to go beyond the surface.

That's critically important. Many people just take it at face values. We have to think twice. The people daily, which is the mouthpiece for China. And in the U.S. is called China Daily. And it was known that the only thing you can trust is the header, the data that was printed. I mean, the editor from People's Daily, that's Commerce Party's mouthpiece, that's what you can trust. If you look at the Terman Square

massacres, they emphasize no students were killed. Why would you emphasize that? And so you need to read it in reverse and people are not used to it. And so sources like the Epoch Times and NDD TV, we verify information. before we share with our readers and audience. And so that's a huge undertaking. And also willing to, you know, stand up for death threats. I received multiple death threats, but I'm not silenced myself. And I think...

You've received death threats for what? For speaking out? Yes. Yeah. For just talking about China, you've gotten death threats for that. Multiple times, yes. I survive. I believe as divine interventions. What do you mean you survive? Like you mean they were more than just like a letter or an email saying, hey, I want. Yeah. So they were, they punched the tie. They put a nail. The nail is a huge. I mean, in a way that the car, it was a rental car in a foreign, I mean, in a out of state locations. They attended events. And then they put the nail. And the time.

pressure dropped to seven. I mean, I could have just like stop in the middle of a highways and could have a car accident. Outside the office, walking towards the subway stations, and that was, you know, like 0.2 miles away. And I was physically attacked at nights after work. I mean, luckily, there were three police officers within size. within sight. So I ran to the police officers and, you know, filed the, file the reports. And there were situations. I mean, even one time when I was in Washington, D.C. at the convention center and parked the car under the convention center parking. And, you know, so they put nails on the car. And luckily, one of the passengers in my car would have the intuition, just like check the tire.

And sure, we found damage while we were just like in the convention center and for a few hours. And we called triple AIDS, you know, to fix it. So, and they have damaged my car, parking fronts of my parking lots. And when my son was in high school, you know, we live in nice neighborhoods because of the school districts and that was not known for crimes like that. And it was... Well, and you're talking, it's not like it was a one-off. One time you had a nail in your tire.

You're talking about multiple events where, you know, like you might go, oh, maybe that just happened. But when it starts to become a series of events, it's hard not to look at the obvious. Yeah. And even on my phone, I mean, there were calls in the middle of nights and there were message left that you need to, you know, you know, we have a letter for you, you need your contact. And actually, I compare that with staffers in Congress who speak up on human rights.

And I compared the message, it was the same thing. Because one time I was on the Capitol Hill and he said, oh, I received this message with autumn. And so I said, let me take a look. I said, that's the same message I've received. You know, this is like embassy, you know, coordinated. There's so many traits. But what evil is most afraid is people speaking up.

It's just like lighting a candle in the dark rooms. It gives hopes. And billion-plus people in China all want the freedoms. They all look up to America. And America and Canada, too. I mean, many love Canada, too. And it's just speaking up for them, give a voice to the voiceless. and give them home because good will survive and evil will eventually be eliminated.

But it's really the world is not shortage of, it's not because too many perpetrators, but because too many bystanders. People knowing about it, but chose to be silenced. And people can be involved. For example, there is a Senate resolutions, a Senate, bill 4-009 about forced organ harvesting when people are being killed on demand for the organs in China. And this bill will sanction people directly involved in this false organ harvesting and ask the state departments to produce reports about China's, you know, false organ harvesting

situations. And so the bill 1540 has unanimously passed in the house and has, waiting more for passing in the Senate and then for president assigned to law. So all U.S. citizens, you can contact your senators, you know, to ask to co-sponsor. This is a bipartisan bill initiated by Senator Tech Cruz and Senator Merklee and to support Senate bill for all night, and it can save life. and we can all subscribe to Epoch Times. You have not, you know, think of people during COVID because they learn about the pandemic and change the return flight and they survive.

You never know when's the next pandemic may occur. And if you know about information, then we have subscribers who bought N95 masks at grocery stores and pharmaceutical stores at regular price when they were abundantly available at low price. in December 2019, you know, weeks and months before the rest of the world knew about the pandemic. So taking precautions and I would say try safe meat, you know. It is a fully encrypted communication tool. Try that out. You know, at least, you know, save your information because we are at risk of, you know,

other type of espionage or cyber tech and things that may interfere with the financial institutions. So you want a safe place, you know, besides hard copies, you know, have another places where you may need to share the information only on trusted people. And allow you to communicate. In particular with your children, think of, you know, kids grow up may say silly things that they may regret. And you certainly want those silly conversations wrapped. you know, never be disclosed. And so having, you know, safe meets, they can text to their buddies, they can do video conferencing, they can file shares, and they can do everything they need for their homework or whatever, but in a totally encrypted environment and can have Bible study

with anyone in the world as long as there's the Internet. And it's just, I really see it like a gift for humanity. We need privacy and everybody deserve that privacy and deserve to preserve the freedoms and have a way to communicate with people in close societies that they don't have the freedoms. I mean, imagine if the Iranians are able to connect through safe meets and not subject to the surveillance, you know, from the current governments, I mean, they can do many things. right? So you never know when you need it. So I would say install it, get familiar with it, use it. So maybe one day when other tools fail, you already have saved me. It's your head of others. Janice, thanks for hopping on and doing this. And any final thoughts before I let you off? Sean, thank you for what you do. And I wish the very best for the Canadians and Americans. We are countries of freedoms. We are countries that have the means to help liberate close societies. We should set examples and we should leverage our tools and our resources. Because we now live

in a very connected world. So don't think of, we just focus on ourselves and, you know, it will be fine. It is a interconnected world. And so only when we eliminate communism once and for all. And there's true peace and there's true freedoms. And for anyone who have not seen Shen Yun performing arts, go see Sheen Performing Arts. The cancellation of Shen Yun performing arts, the remain shows in Toronto, because of the interference by the Chinese Communist Party. You can say no to the Chinese Communist Party's.

interference because if someone really want to do a bomb, they will not give you alerts. If they give you a bomb threat, that it's just a threat. It's a way to discourage you to come see China before communism as Shen Yu, in the most beautiful show. But by canceling a show, it only makes the Chinese Communist Party happy. And if you look at Shen Yun have reached 15 million audience in the world, and one million new audience each year and sold out in most cities and Canada should say no to Chinese commerce parties. Canada is a free country. No other country in the world have canceled

all shows after it started because simple bomb threat. Thanks Janice. Thank you Sean. Appreciate you.