Shaun Newman Podcast - #1041 - David Parker

Episode Date: April 27, 2026

David Parker, founder of Take Back Alberta (TBA)—a influential grassroots conservative/populist movement that helped reshape the United Conservative Party—has launched The Centurion Project as his latest initiative to advance Alberta independence. This decentralized organizing "machine" recruits and trains ~100 regional leaders, each building networks of organizers to canvass and survey Albertans door-to-door and in-person using a 10-X exponential growth model. The core goal is to conduct the largest citizen-led poll in Canadian history by directly asking every Albertan three questions—support for separation from Canada, signing the petition, and voting YES in a referendum—while identifying and mobilizing over a million "yes" supporters ahead of a potential sovereignty vote. Watch the Cornerstone Forum 26’https://shaunnewmanpodcast.substack.com/Silver Gold Bull Links:Website: https://silvergoldbull.ca/Email: [e-mail] Grahame: [phone]Bow Valley Credit UnionBitcoin: www.bowvalleycu.com/en/personal/investing-wealth/bitcoin-gatewayEmail: [e-mail] Get your voice heard: Text Shaun 587-217-8500

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All right. That's all I got. Let's get on to that tale of the tape. Today's guest has launched the Centurion Project, his latest initiative to advance Alberta independence. I'm talking about David Parker. So buckle up. Here we go.

Welcome to the Sean Newman podcast. Today I'm joined by David Parker. David, uh, welcome back. Thank you. It's, uh, it's been a fun, crazy,

wild number of years that we've known each other now in the world. But, uh, I always, enjoy your show and being on it and you're a great interviewer and I just am excited to do another conversation. Well, I mean, you come back full circle to me because of your Centurion project. I didn't know what the heck this was. I didn't know it was you that was behind it. I didn't know a whole bunch of things. Then I got it sent to me a bunch of times. I'm like, okay, what is this? And then your name got thrown out. I'm like, I should just talk to David. This would make way simpler.

and you can walk me in the audience through what it's all about. What is the Centurion Project? And I guess before we get there, congrats on a second. You know, since we've known each other,

you've had two children now. Yeah, I wasn't even married, I think, when we met. So it's good. Yeah, I mean,

kids are what life is about in the temporal sense, I think. Like, obviously life is about, in my opinion, and I know yours, God. but having children is, I think, a great way to serve God.

And I'm pumped. I have a two-year-old now. And I'm not great into like the little baby phase, right? I think most men aren't. I call it the larva phase. You know, I love him and he smiles. But like there's not a lot I can do for him. He wants to eat all the time, you know.

So I change his diaper. But the two-year-old phase is like so much joy. Like just watching them. learn and grow and the excitement they have for life. Also, you know, lots of temper tantrums and hardship, but it is, there's a lot of, there's more joy in it, I find. Yeah. Yes.

And it only gets, uh, uh, from where I sit. I got a 10 year old now. Don't know when that happened. Wow. Um, the personalities of the three is really cool, interesting, frustrating, as many words as you want behind that. And it, you know, from when they were two or, or the larvae phase, right, when they're little infants. Yeah.

Until now, it's, you know, there's never a dull moment with the kids in the house. No. No. But it's good. It's good. I had a buddy come out to visit me for the weekend last weekend and he brought his two-year-old son. And it was crazy because they got along so well and watching them play together. They even got along better than he gets along with a lot of his cousins.

And I was just blown away by it. I'm like, this is what life is about is, you know, you have these friendships that you've built over, you know, decades. And now they have children and you have children. And now they're becoming friends. And it's just, you know, human relationship is so important. And actually, like, on that note, that's what the Centurion Project is all about. It's an attempt to do something new in politics. And that might sound kind of crazy, but I'll try to walk you.

through it. So traditionally there's kind of three modes of camp or three or four ways to do a political campaign. Right. So and by ways I don't mean different ways. I mean like tactical things that you can do. So obviously everybody knows about door knocking, right? Anybody who's really been involved in politics has either, you know, heard about door knocking or done it themselves. It's an old tried and true method. I personally have done it more times than I. I can count. And, and, you know, that has a great impact because it's person to person communication. You're actually showing up at someone's home. You're going to get good information, but it's very labor intensive. So for most people, not a, not a well-experienced door knocker, but most

door-knockers can hit about 25 doors an hour. And in that, only about, you know, 12 probably will answer that will actually answer the door some of them won't be home some of them aren't interested in talking to someone that they don't know at their door whatever it is you'll probably get about a half of the people will answer the door and up that half you'll probably get i don't know three or four actual conversations so we've we've done the math all throughout my life and it's about two positive ids per hour for a regular door knocker So you're talking about an hour of your time gets you about two IDs. And then we move on to the other main method that everyone's aware of, which is phone calling.

Right? We've all got political phone calls. We've all had people reach out to us over text or phone to find out how we're planning on voting or whether the phrase that's usually used is, can we count on your support? Right. We've probably all heard that phrase before. problem with phone calling is that as time has gone on and most people have moved to cell phones, we have caller ID, right? And most people do not answer their phone if they do not recognize the number that is calling. So, and then funnily enough, that people who do tend to answer the phone have

landlines still, which I know for, you know, you and me is just a past life. But, you know, still there's a lot of seniors and people like that who have landlines so they don't have caller ID, generally speaking, so they just answer the phone, right? So you're actually not getting a good sample of the general population. It's skewed to the kind of people who answer the phone when they don't know the number. On average, it costs $12 to get one ID on the phone. So for something like independence, for example, we need to get at least a million votes to have even a shot at winning, probably close to 1.5 million. So you're looking at if you're trying to do that over the phone, you're looking at $18 million it would cost. And also there's the law of diminishing returns, right?

The easy ones are going to come quickly, but it might cost more and more as it's harder and harder to get. So those are two main methods. Another one that a lot of your listeners will be familiar with is events, right? Campaigning, you put on political events. You have a politician come speak or a surrogate of a politician. Trump is a master of this, right, filling stadiums. He really took that and made it into an art form. I mean, people would stand in line for sometimes a full day just to get to go to his event.

that's a great method of because you know if someone buys a ticket or they register to go to the event you have their information and the likelihood of them being a supporter is very high if they're attending one of your events so and one thing on the trump events because i uh i went and attended one now by the time we got there because what they did was really interesting you it was a free ticket it made it seem like you had a ticket then you showed up and you realized they got an event space for 8,000 people and they've given away 20 some thousand tickets. Right. And then you show up and you're like, everybody's leaving.

You're like, what's going on? They're like, oh, we waited in line for five hours. And by the time we got to the front, it was already full. And you're like, oh, so then you walked down there. And the next thing that was going on was basically a tailgating party. Right. Oh, yeah. So they had big screen so you could watch the entire thing.

and then they had vendors set up selling everything, right? That's where, hats, shirts, everything. It was quite the atmosphere. Yes, I've done, as you're aware, like tours across the states for the last couple of years with Tucker Carlson and Megan Kelly. And I'm a huge, I mean, and take back Alberta, APP, stay free Alberta. I'm a huge proponent of in-person events. I think we need to build community.

We need to see each other in person. We need to move away from this purely digital age. It's actually one of the reasons, and you and I've discussed this before that, I love podcasting, because it's conversational, it's people talking, it's very human, right? And I feel the same way about in person events. I'm a huge believer in them. I think that's how you build a community, how you build a movement. So I'm very much on the in-person events kind of, let's call it school of thought for political,

campaigning. But of course, you're never going to get enough people to in-person events to win an election, right? It's just that's, you can't ID enough people at these events. So all of these things are pieces in the puzzle of a campaign. And then the final one that everybody's aware of is the air war will call it. So social media posts, videos, media in general, getting your story out, getting your policies out, communications. We call it the air war in the business because there's the ground war, which I just described the three elements of the ground war. And then there's the air war, which is communications, for lack of a better word.

And this is how campaigners and political parties have been doing this for my entire life. However, each of those things is becoming less and less effective, more costly and less effective. as people get used to them. I mean, online, let's call it, the social media side of the air war, is being filled with AI slop, people are disengaging, and even worse, they're simply interacting with stuff online, but they're not doing anything after.

They're consuming as opposed to interacting, right? So we have some of the lowest volunteer turnouts we've ever seen in politics across the Western world. people are just not doing anything anymore. They're very passively consuming their political content. And this has created what I've always talked about in Take Back Alberta, which is a level of apathy towards our politics, a lack of engagement, and I think an erosion of our democratic rights.

And so I've been trying to figure out what can we do about this for quite some time. and Take Back Alberta was my first iteration of an attempt to answer to that, build community, right? Invite your friends, talk to the people you know, bring them to the next meeting. It was very analog, right? We literally had people sign in at a table with a piece of paper that we would then have to, like, enter into an email database so that we could get a hold of people, right? It was very old school in that sense. And I would say that State Free Alberta and APP are.

have followed that model. Well, State Free Alberta for sure has. And APP, it kind of started at the same time as Take Back Alberta. And that's been the model that the freedom movement in Alberta has used to grow to the place that it's at. And I mean, I got to give some props to Mitch Sylvester right now. Like that man has been extraordinary in what he's achieved. Like nobody, I know for a fact that people did not even think that he was going to get enough petition signatures because of how, hard of a task that is. Not only that, but they made it even harder, right? They made us have to

verify every single person who signed with a photo ID and proof of residency, right? So this has not been an easy task, and he's done an absolutely phenomenal job. And he has earned his place, I think, in the pantheon of Alberta, regardless of whether we become independent. He's done more for democracy in this province than almost anybody else. It's truly phenomenal what he's achieved. And he's opened up a path that did not exist before he came along, which is that we're going to have a referendum one way or another. And that's not something that has ever been achieved

by the Alberta Independence Movement, whether it was Wexit, whether it was the Western Canadian Concept Party, anything that's ever been attempted from an Alberta independence kind of point of view. has never achieved even a 10th or I would say even a hundredth of what Mitch has done. And so we've built, we built this and that, you know, I'm not sure what the exact number will be. I think it will be over 300,000. I very much hope that people work hard over the next week and we can hit that 400,000 and get more signatures than Thomas Lukasik did.

But of course, he didn't have, have to check ID. Elections, Alberta did not verify every single signature. They did a few. They did a test, but they didn't go through all of them. So, you know, we don't know how comparable what our number is to his. That doesn't matter, though, right? Is in politics when you're making excuses, you're losing, right? When you're explaining, you're losing.

So hopefully we can beat that number. If not, it's a loss for us. we'll have to recover from it, but still, regardless, huge win by Mitch. However, as I said, we are not going to hit our target of winning a referendum with events, right? We're not going to hit it with roadside pop-ups or door knocking or phone calling, in my opinion, because we're up against the Federalists, so we're up against Ottawa, we're up against the Alberta NDP, Sounds like Stephen Carter is restarting the Alberta Liberal Party. So we're up against them.

We're up against unions. We're up against, you know, almost every power structure that exists in Canada. The media, of course, right? So basically this is a David and Goliath story, if there ever has been a David and Goliath story. And I saw this and I've been thinking about it. And in my travels in the United States, I've met, a lot of political organizers and I've talked to a lot of people and I stumbled across this group out of Michigan called 10x votes. And when I met them, it was actually they had sponsored one of

the VIPs at the Tucker event in Grand Rapids. And they had sponsored it because they wanted to promote this new political technology that they'd created called 10x votes. And I loved it so much that I used all of my political capital with Tucker to get them to endorse it on stage that night. And that endorsement, we tracked the results of that endorsement. That endorsement resulted in just that single endorsement resulted in 86,000 people who were historically non-voters voting in that election. And if you go through the data for Michigan, that's almost the victory margin for Trump. So it's a little bit higher.

So I was massively impressed with what they'd done. And I wanted to bring that idea and that methodology to Alberta. So for now almost two years, it'll be two years this fall. I've been working with them, talking with them, trying to build this out. And the result is the Centurion Project. So one more piece of kind of like, let's call it Centurion Project lore. is, so Tim Hoven is a good friend of mine. He's a farmer.

He was called a racist by Jason Kenney and not allowed to run in a nomination for the UCP because they knew he would beat Jason Nixon and they wanted to protect Jason Nixon. It became a big news story. Lots of your listeners know who Tim Hoven is. And after TBA went through everything that has gone through with the elections, Alberta investigation and probably, you know, my own problems with being too aggressive online and some people just didn't want to be involved in it anymore. There was a period of kind of stagnation of it.

And I'm super proud of Mitch for taking that mantle and carrying it forward and building it better than it ever could be. But I wasn't content with that being the end of my political involvement in Alberta. So Tim and I, a year ago, right before Easter during Lent, sat down at a Boston pizza, of course, because that's such a common thing for rural Alberta. And we came up with a plan. And the plan was that we needed to, well, we saw a problem, which is there are lots of, I'll call them generals in the freedom movement. These are leaders with courage that people follow and they're doing great things. I mean, I could list a lot of them. Tamara is definitely one of those people. Mitch is

one of those people. Daryl Comax, one of those people. Chris Scott is one of those people. I could go, I'm not going to name them all because there's so many. But we have lots of great leaders in our movement. And we also have lots of great supporters. Like we have amazing, we'll call them soldiers, you know, of the movement that are showing up at the events. They're donating. They're going to the rallies. There's 7,000 people that sign up to be canvassers for stay free Alberta. Like, that is an insane number when you, when you've been in politics. Like, that's more people than the United Conservative Party had to beat Rachel Notley and the NDP in 2023. Like they did not have that many people sign up to be volunteers for the entire general election, right? So to put that

in perspective. So this, we have an incredible amount of resources and we got the leaders. and we got the people, but we're missing something. And the thing that we're missing is that middle management, or I call it the officer class, right? The people that will take the direction and leadership of the generals and spend the day-to-day management of the soldiers to make sure that it's accomplished. And I saw this problem because it was a huge problem for me

and take back Alberta, all of my leaders got burned out because they were working so hard and putting so many hours in. And that's just not a sustainable model if we're trying to create a movement. So Tim and I decided our goal was going to be to create 100 leaders across Alberta who had a group of 1,000 each. And that's already been done by a large number of people that already created groups of 1,000 all over the province, but we believe that we needed more and that we needed that for a couple of reasons, but one of the biggest reasons is my deep belief in the decentralization of power. And if we're just one group, it's easy to take us out.

If we just have one leader, it's very easy to attack that leader, corrupt that leader, push that leader to do things. But if we have 100 leaders, it's much more difficult. for our opponents. And also, this is how the left has operated since the 1960s, right? They have a group for everything. They got a group for the gay Nigerians. They've got a group for, you know, the social or the communists. They got a group for, you know, the animal rights lovers. Like, they've got a group for everything. And often on the right, we say, well, why can't we all just unite? Why can't we all just get together? Why can't we all follow one leader? That's actually

just laziness on the part of the supporters, right? Is it like, well, I don't want to have to choose which one I'm involved and just tell me the one thing and the one thing I have to do. And I don't actually want to be that engaged with a movement which is multifaceted and has many different perspectives. So that was kind of the vision. And then 10x slash the Centurion Project app is the tactic or methodology that we're going to use. So why am I so excited about it? Why am I dedicating so much time to this is because I believe that this methodology will call it using this tool is going to transform how politics is done, I think, in the Western world. But for now, Alberta. And what is it?

How does it work? Well, fundamentally, it's a philosophic shift on leadership. And it's the same philosophic shift that I've been trying to push, but it's now systematized. So the idea is people need to become responsible citizens. And what do I mean by that? A citizen isn't just a voter, right? And that was never how it was understood by the people who came up with the idea of citizenship, which is the Greeks and Romans.

In fact, in Greece, when they came up with this idea of citizenship, you had to attend elections every single year. you had to take your turn being the judge for your community and ruling on disputes. Sometimes you'd have to go and listen to debates for hours a day and you would do this every week, right? This was what it meant to be a citizen. And being a citizen was a huge privilege. When you read the Bible, Paul himself is very proud of being a Roman citizen, right? It's a, it's a, it's a mark of prestige to be a citizen and it's something that's hard to get.

Of course, that idea has been eroded to the point where all people think about when it comes to citizenship is what their rights are. Right. It's a take take, give me, give me kind of relationship and not very many people are thinking, well, what are my responsibilities as a citizen? Now, some people argue that, well, if you're, if you obey the law, that's your responsibility as a citizen. Sure, I mean, but the problem is that who's making the laws, right? And if you're not engaged in the making of those laws, then now you're just, you're not a citizen.

You're just a slave, right? You're just obeying what other people tell you to do. So take back Alberta was always go find your friends and family, invite them. And then even in the lead up to the 23 election, it was go, go. find 10 people and get them to vote, right? But this was unsystematized, right? It was, it was completely reliant on the goodwill of the people we were talking to. 10x is a program where you can go on it and you could sign up for it right now.

It's very easy. You just need an email in your name. And you find, we've taken public data. We've scraped public data from 411 and from, you know, Canada Post and all these places you can get information on people. And we have 3 million voting age Albertans in the database. So not everybody. Some people, you know, everyone always is complaining.

They can't find so and so. And I'm like, we're working on being able to submit people that you know that aren't in the database. Oh, that's a lot of work and development work and all that kind of stuff. So right now, we have 3 million voting age Albertans in the database. And if you go on it, you can probably find your friends and family and coworkers. And what we're asking people to do is become a user of the Centurion Project app, claim your friends and family, and then take responsibility for them.

Say it's my job to educate these people on how they need to become better citizens. In the case of the next seven months, it's my job to find out, where they stand on independence, to fill in that survey, and then to make sure that they vote on election day or on referendum day or whatever we're going to call it. Sounds pretty simple, and it is simple. It's all of the things that I've learned boiled down to the most simple process I can possibly give someone. And I'll give you an example of how I would do this in the past.

So I've had many people come to me and say, hey, can you really? my election campaign i mean that was what i did for work for most of my 20s and uh i would always say to them yep i'm happy to happy to help you first thing you have to do is write a list of 25 people that you know invite them to your house and i'll come and i'll explain how we're going to win this nomination election whatever it is and if they couldn't put together a list of 25 people and get them to their house i wouldn't you know i wouldn't manage their campaign because if they couldn't do that then there's no way they were ever going to win. Right.

And that was always just how I operated as a campaign manager. And so now I'm basically teaching anybody who wants how to create that list. But the beauty of it is I don't have to wonder whether they've created it. They just pick the people they know. I've onboarded myself, almost 100 people onto the app now. and on average it takes less than 15 minutes for people to find 10 to 15 people that they know. The other beauty of this is once you've claimed them, nobody else can claim them. So like once you claim your wife and your parents and your aunts and uncles,

if you were to go on it, nobody else can claim them. If they're searched, they'll just come up as claimed. But the other thing that I really like about this is I can't see who you've claimed. then you can't see who I've claimed. Even the admin level of this project cannot see who has been claimed by who. They can only see that the person is claimed. So what you've created is your own little tiny political network, right? You've said, well, these are the people that I know and these are the people that I'm going to take responsibility for.

So instead of I'm going to make a decision, I'm an individual, I'm going to go vote, which is what most, people think of citizenship, which is also causing us to be divided and to not be strong enough to fight back against a lot of this tyranny. So we start thinking of ourselves as what we are, which is a collection of relationships. All human beings are a collection of relationships. But from a logistic or mathematical perspective, this gets interesting because on average, it takes about 15 minutes to claim 10. That's five hours worth of door knocking, and that's $120 worth of phone calling in 15 minutes.

So it is a game changer on campaigning from a data perspective. And we have now onboarded, let me look here, 447 people. on average they've completed 10 surveys a more than 10 surveys apiece it's almost i think it's like 10.2 and they've claimed over 13 people per person so it works uh you know that's our that's our that's our beta test and uh it's phenomenal it's the most cost efficient way to campaign and i also think that it aligns with the values of the convoy the values of freedom the values of personal autonomy, you know, it's decentralized. You don't, and some people have accused it of being a

multi-level marketing scheme because they're like, well, you can invite people and they can do it themselves. Well, you don't get anybody under you that someone else claims, right? So if I invite you and you go on there and use it, I don't get your people under me. That's not how it works. your people are your people. Even if they're not, sorry, the multi-level thing, I was thinking on, I'm like, it's like reverse engineering multi-level marketing, except you're not making money off of somebody going and claiming somebody. No, you make nothing, yeah.

You make nothing. This has nothing to do with, or I don't think it does. Maybe you can say it to the, there's a way that you make money off a claiming somebody, but the whole goal is taking responsibility for making sure. sure people vote, I think is what I'm getting, right? Yes. Making sure two things, really. So the first is, okay, so let's, I'll give you an example.

Okay. So you, you probably know exactly where your wife stands on the petition, on independence and whether she's planning on voting, right? And I, I mean, I could make an educated guess probably, but, but the point is that you don't need to go and ask for those questions. You already know the answers to those questions. So if you were to go on the app and just fill. that out, that data point means in political campaigning, ultimately it boils down to supporters,

non-supporters, undecided, and all political campaigning on the ground. Different than air war, air war is about, you know, more psychology, convincing people, that kind of stuff. But the ground game, which is my kind of like niche of politics that I've spent my life trying to master. In that, you only have three buckets, right? You got supporter, non-supporter, undecided. And all you're trying to do is find as many supporters as you can, get them out to vote, find out who the undecided is so that you can target them with persuasion and ignore the non-supporters. A lot of people want to convince the non-supporters.

It's not worth your time. You have finite resources. So you just ignore the non-supporters. You focus on getting the supporters to vote and you do persuasion on the undecided. That is political campaigning in this totality. That's all it ever is, right? And I might add, under phone calls, events, and door knocking specifically. Those three are time constraints, right?

I got to give up my Tuesday evening, my Tuesday day. you're talking to people probably that majority are listening to this that have families, businesses, responsibilities already. I can't take on another responsibility. I'm already responsible for a lot, and there's a lot riding on me to do that successfully. What this does, I think, from just a 10,000 foot view of hearing it for the first time, is it leverages those people to get involved. Because the actual barrier of entry, as you pointed out with, your wife,

and your immediate family is like, so what are you actually responsible for? Making sure they go vote. Like, hey, don't forget about this date. I know how we can all get busy, but maybe don't forget this one date. And all of a sudden, whether you take on 100 or you take on five, it's five more people you don't have to worry about,

are they going to show up? When you're talking, going back to voter turnout, just keeps getting worse and worse. Everybody's staring at like, why are we getting worse and worse? because we're like we're not taking responsibility for each other right and and here's two other beautiful things about this in my opinion so the first thing is 15 minutes that's the that's the commitment right that that's all you really have to do and but you can scale up you can spend hours

doing this talking to people and getting as much information as you want but really all we need from supporters of independence is 15 minutes right you don't need to do anything else and you know there's been discussion with stay free Alberta claiming that you know I'm trying to steal their volunteers only for 15 minutes and I don't need them for I don't need them for hours I don't need them to put on events we are putting on events the you know the Centurion project is going to be doing 100 events before the end of the summer and then another 100 between September 1st and and I'm not doing all 100 of those of course in October 19th yeah on October 19th we have Marty up north is one of our leaders.

We got Tim Hoven, right? We got great people on this team. Emmett, Bonnie, you know, awesome people. The thing about stealing volunteers, and maybe I'm just wrong on this, David, but I think as a volunteer, if I was just to put my volunteer shoes on for a second, because I become a volunteer for anyone doesn't make me beholden just to that. Yeah. Like a great volunteer doesn't just volunteer, usually doesn't just volunteer in one thing.

They volunteer a lot of their time to a lot of different organizations. So stealing, maybe I'm going to get texts all over the place telling me different. But like I go, I don't know. To me, one of the, you know, when you talk about the right or the conservative movement, why we're so hard to organize in a certain way, do you look at the negatives of that? I always look at the positives. We're a raucous bunch. Daniel Smith said it on stage, which means you've got a group of,

people, well-meaning people, that have ideas on how we get there. They're usually different and they conflict and they, everybody wants to wrestle with it. But in this, it's like, well, just take control of whoever you want to take control of and make sure they vote. Like, they're the people you know, right? Like, and the other thing that I get really excited about with this is you've already built these relationships, right? Like, you're using what you already have, which is your, your family relationships that you've poured time and effort into, your friendships, whatever it is to move the ball forward on our political objective of independence. Right.

So you don't have to do that work. You're using the work you've done all your life. And of course, you know, I don't want to say that having relationships with people is work, but it is investment of time. It is investment of attention. And you've taken that investment of your time and attention, the relationships you've built. and you're using this very human thing, which is interpersonal relationships, instead of a very unhuman thing, which is a random person you've never met knocking on your door

to ask you a very personal question, which is where do you stand on a very important political topic, right? So we're taking the cold calling and the cold approaches out of it. Everybody you're going to talk to is people you already know. And if we get enough people to do that, we could, save so so the estimate is that if we can my goal is to get 18,900 people on this app and that might sound 18,900 that's my goal yeah why eight 18,900 sounds very specific so yeah why 18,900 so once we have 18,900 on average we get 10 surveys per person who comes on so that's like people saying yep this person supports independence or know this person doesn't

doesn't support independence, right? That would mean that we would have 100 and or 100. Yeah, 189,000 surveys done. With that data, you can model out the entire Alberta population. Okay. And then when somebody comes onto the app, instead of having to search for their friends and family, because of the data that we'll have and the information that we can train the system on,

I can just say, a list will just pop up when you log in saying, do you know these people? So now you don't even have to search. And now we're talking about a five to six minute, you know, you just claim your people that way. So that's one. But the second is, I believe to truly witness and get recognition from America, which is going to be the prerequisite for this happening. If we're just counting on Canada, negotiating in good faith, we might as well stop now. but in order to get that. I think you just got a roll eye from

rolling of the eyes from me and everybody listening wherever they're at. Yeah, right? So we need, we need, we need, we don't just need to win 51%. We need a, we need a convincing win, right? And to get that, we need 1.5 million votes, right? That will get us over the 60% mark.

Now, that's only 50% of Alberta voters, but not everybody's going to vote. Right? It's just they never do. They didn't all vote Brexit. You know, I don't remember the exact number of what turnout was in Brexit. It was high, but it certainly wasn't 100%. So I think we need $1.5 million to get what we're looking for. To achieve that, we need to identify those people and get them to vote, right?

I believe there's at least a million hardcore Alberta's, you know, independent supporters in Alberta. But we have to find them. And we're not going to find them through door knocking, phone calling, or events. But we could find them through the people that know them. And so if we get to $18,900 by the beginning of September, then all of those people, we say, okay, all you have to do is find 10 supporters of independence and get them to do this. and if we do that we will probably hit the 1.5 million IDs and then they're going to be

GOTVed or get out the vote like reminded to vote you know have you voted by not some random campaign worker or some call center by their friends and family so that's the path that I see to being able to win this it's also the most cost effective path we have and it's the It's a method that isn't being used by our opponents and can't be used by our opponents because many, many of them do not have strong personal networks and friendships, right? A lot of the left is very bitter and lonely. And the reason for that is that I think their worldview makes them that way. But we have our strength, as you pointed out, a lot of your listeners, have families and businesses.

Well, what is a family? It's a bunch of relationships. What is a business? It's a network of relationships, ultimately, between employer and employee, between client and provider, blah, blah, blah, blah, right? So we already have these many, many,

many social groups that exist within our movement. We just need to tap into it. The way I like to think about it is we have a lot of oil under the ground and we just figured out how to drill. The voter turnout in Brexit was 72.21%. So it was high, but as you pointed out, it still wasn't 100%. So if you think about it that way, okay, so let's say we get Brexit numbers. I think we might get a little bit higher because becoming your own country is different than leaving a trade union.

And the EU is not just a trade union, but for, you know, for brevity, we'll say that. But let's say it's the same as Brexit. Well, there's only 3 million eligible voters in Alberta, right? Because kids and temporary foreign workers, non-citizens, permanent residents, blah, blah, blah. So if that's 72, that means that 2.1 million people will probably vote. 2.3, 2.2 somewhere in there. Well, that means that to get 50%, we have to get 1%. we have to get 1.1 million, basically.

We want to do better than that. So this is the path that I see. It's not going to be the only path, right? Ezra Levance already launched his project. State Free Alberta is going to keep going. APP is going to do their thing. I know Keith Wilson and his group and Rise of Alberta are going to do stuff. I want there to be many, many groups doing things.

but my group, my focus, what I'm going to be doing and some pretty awesome people that are doing it with me is I want to create permanent political infrastructure through personal networks. And then here's something that I want all your listeners to know and be very clear for everyone. And Mitch Sylvester himself asked me this the other day. He's like, so what do you want to do after we win is how he put it? And I said after this, I'm done, right? After October, I'm not going to be actively doing politics anymore. I'll still, you know, comment on stuff on my ex because I enjoy that. And, you know, it's pretty cool to have Elon Musk respond to me and know,

someone I've been following for a long time. And I'll still advise Tim and I'll still be there. I don't want to be the frontman of anything anymore. I'm not interested in political power. I've seen what it does to people. this is it this is what i want my legacy to be from a political perspective i'll do many other things i'll run my businesses i'll keep fighting the culture war till my dying day but i don't want to be the leader of anything anymore politically i'm not interested in people telling me their opinions on how i do things

so i just it's not the right role for me so this isn't about me trying to build something that i'm going to use to control things or anything like that like i'm done after this this is this is the end my, let's call it political career for now until the kids, till my sons are raised, because that's what I want to focus on, is homeschooling my boys and teaching them what I've learned from life and giving them a really great childhood. So that's what I'm going to be focused on. And Tim's going to take over like the leadership spokesperson role once it's built. So if you don't like me, and I know that many of your listeners probably don't,

and, you know, there's people in the freedom movement that don't. You don't have to worry. I'm not going to be around forever. I'm just building it because I know how and because I care about it. And I want my legacy in politics in Alberta, the end of this season of my life, to be creating a whole bunch more leaders who are organizing and holding the government accountable. I don't want that my legacy to be. He got rid of a premier and he helped put in another one. That's not the legacy I want. I want better citizens. And my vision of what a better citizen looks like is an engaged, active, participatory person who's pushing the ball forward on the values that they have. And I mean, the left is doing this.

They do it all the time. And we need to catch up. But I think we've created the model through a lot of hard work, including by Mitch. I mean, the thing I love about what Mitch did is he took. the model that I used to build Take Back Alberta and he used it, right? Hold 100 meetings, build the movement. That was, that was like if you really, you really boil it down, it's hold a lot of meetings, get better at speaking and it will grow. And the reason I love that he did that is because if I had just done it, then it could have been said that it was just

a David Parker thing, that it was a personality driven thing or whatever. But there are not many people that are more different in how they've lived their lives than Mitch Sylvester and David Parker, right? He never was involved in politics. I was involved from 14. You know, I'm a very religious man. He's not a very religious man. He's a hunter and fisher. I have still yet to get my first deer, right? So we're not, we're not the same human type, we'll put it that way. Like, I'm obsessed with, you know, I'm obsessed with ancient roe. and I don't think he thinks about ancient Rome very much at all, right? So I think that that was one of the most encouraging thing that's ever happened for me politically was that, you know, once you've, once something can work without you, that's when you know you've created something successful.

And it worked. The model worked. And so this is the kind of the capstone of that and hopefully a systematization of the training of people. to be organizers. And I'm excited about it. I don't want to pull us off of Centurion Project. You said a bunch there that I would like to, and maybe I will. But for right now, Centurion Project, you've talked a lot about it.

I still am like, okay, so is this an app on the phone? Is this a website? Yeah. How do people actually find this, David, if they're like, wow, this sounds like an idea I could get involved with. Where do they go to be a part of this? So the website is the centurionproject.ca. And if you give us your email and your phone number and your name, one of the Centurians will reach out to you and personally onboard you onto the app.

Now, it's not an app like you download on your phone. It is a browser-based app. And the reason for that is a lot of people don't like to download apps onto their phones. It's not very simple for the elderly or just technologically less literate people. So it's just a website, but it's better to have somebody onboard you and just explain it. It's not complicated. Imagine the way I describe it is it's a digital phone book without phone numbers, right? So it's literally just when you search people, it's their name and their address.

And we also have their electoral division, but that's just based on your postal code, right? We just pulled that from, you know, you just match postal code to riding, right? So very simple. You just go to the Centurium project.com. That answer is one of the questions I was going to ask, which was, if it was just an app and you sign up and then you can start claiming people, what's going to stop nefarious actors from going in and doing that? But having an onboarding process, that's going to eliminate some of that. I'm not saying all of it, but some of it for sure. There will always be spies and nefarious people.

One of the things we have on the app is like on the admin side, we can see. not individual but total number of claims. So if it suddenly was to like spike up and we're like, oh, so many claims a thousand people. Right. Exactly. Suddenly the ratio of users to claims becomes problematic. Then we just go into the,

then I go to the developers and I say, okay, who's this person that's claiming all these people and isn't doing surveys or is doing a ton of surveys? And also like we can see, but we can't see who you've claimed, but we see the surveys come in, right? So when we see, oh, this person's done 20 surveys and nobody knows who this person is, then we just have someone reach out to them in the leadership team. So, you know, we have three layers of leadership in the Centurion project.

It's a completely merit-based organization. So you will be elevated based on your performance, right? So if you sign up and you get your 10 people claim and you do the surveys, you're what we call a canvasser. Okay. I actually just call them Centurions, but you know, you're, you've come on board. You're, you're a user of the platform, right? You're bought in. If you want to be someone who gets more people on the platform, then we elevate you to what's called an ambassador, which kind of sounds like multi-level marketing language, but it's just we needed a title for that level of person. And once you become an ambassador, then you get your own unique link that you can send to your friends and family.

And then they come on and you'll have a separate tab that these are my people that I got to become canvassers. Now, you can't see who they've claimed. You can't even see who they've surveyed. All you can see is how many people they've surveyed. And the reason for that is you want to know whether the people you brought in are actually doing anything or not. So you can see how many surveys they've done.

You can't see who they've surveyed. And then the final level is admin, right? And all admin can see is how many, who are the users, how many surveys have been done, how many people have been claimed, and they can see the survey results. And that's all that's all I can see. And then if we need, you know, if we need to check something in the back end, we go to the, the IT people and they can, they can sort that out. but I've made it so even I cannot see anything more than what I just described to you.

And to be at the admin level, we want you to be a leader. We want you to be putting on meetings. We want you to be onboarding people. Usually we want you to have onboarded at least 10 people to get to that level, probably more. We're not going to have an infinite number of admins because that doesn't make sense. So right now, kind of building it like the TBA model, if you think, if you remember TBA, and you're listening to this. These are our captains, right?

They're the regional leaders we got. Emmetton, Emmington, Tim Hoven and Bonnie, a guy named Matthew, or Central Alberta. We got a guy named Justin. And who's our other one in Calgary? I should remember that. Marty and Justin in the Calgary area. We got Michael and Jonathan in the South.

So these are the admins, but think of them as the captains, kind of the leaders that are putting on the events and going to the events and speaking. And there'll be more of those people as time goes on. But that's kind of the three levels. And it's all merit-based like Blaine Sellers. That's Blaine is in Calgary. And he did, well, I can just tell you right now.

He did, he's already done 147 surveys. So he's talked to 147 people and identified with. whether or not they support independence. And so he just, you know, he's now at the admin level because he's put in the work. I don't know where this sits on level of ideas in my brain. But what you're talking about feels like it's politics meets 2026. I think so. I think so.

Yeah. Like I've been doing this a long time, right? I've been doing politics a long time. I have never seen a tool this effective. Now, of course, a tool could be as effective as you want, but it has to be used. So we need more people to use it. It's only going to be as effective. But in fairness, until you talk to me about it, I've had it come through my channel five times, I want to say, roughly that.

And I've kind of been like, but never a deep explanation of what the heck it is. Well, I was really excited for this podcast, to be honest, because I wanted more time to explain it to people that I usually get. Of course, we are starting our tour, right? We're going to be doing these 100 events before the end of the summer. We've already done seven, I think. And the way that I always do events, right, is you start with house meetings, right? So you say, hey, just invite your friends and family to your house, and I will come to your house. Now, of course, I'm not going to go to everybody's house because there's going to be more meetings.

that I would be able to attend and I've got a baby and, you know, a two-year-old and a wife businesses. But I'm personally going to try to do 50 before the summer. But the house meetings happen. And then once you hit a critical mass of house meetings in an area, you invite all the people that came to the house meetings to a bigger meeting, right? And at the bigger meeting, your goal at a big meeting is to get more house meetings. And you just keep having the meetings.

And that's the TBA model. That's the APP, not so much APP. They were much more bigger town halls, but it's the APP model and it's the state free Alberta initial model that, I mean, they're also doing way bigger. Once you've got a critical mass as an organization, you're not going to do as many house meetings because you just have too many people.

So you want to have bigger meetings. What this is going to, what this is going to do, David, and maybe you probably already know this. But from where I sit in talking to Albertans, I get asked, you know, like, what are your thoughts on a referendum? You think we're going to get there? And I'm like, I mean, you know, I think people were hoping that a million people would go out and sign this thing.

And it would almost be a foregone conclusion. The numbers that have been thrown around, whether it's $250,000, whether it's $400,000 or well shy of the number you spit out $1.5 million. Yeah. That's a long way off. And why is that? Well, some people don't even know about it. You go, on this, audience, they go, what are you talking about? People know about this. I'm like, no, no, there are some people that know nothing about this. Or they think it's some la la la land dream or they're against it. And they don't know why they're against it.

It doesn't matter. Take your pick. And you go, if I'm running into those people, that means there isn't just 10 of them. There's probably thousands upon 10,000 of people here in Alberta that have a zero clue. And by tapping into people's networks, you're going. going to get to those people because they're going to know how to get to those people. Yeah, and through someone they trust and they know, right? Like literally, it's going to be way easier to have a conversation with your grandpa or your mom and dad or whoever it is about

these kind of things and a stranger. And they're going to be more willing to have that conversation. And if you think about COVID, what do we know about COVID? How many groups in Alberta are there? Are there a thousand? There's 87 writings and 87 writings. There's at least, I mean, it isn't one group. I can think of in my, like how many groups is it? I don't know. It's a crazy amount. Too many to count. Right. And what you're, what you're offering all these groups is, hey, just take this and run with it. Yeah. I mean, maybe there's more to it, than that, that people are going to try and point out. But I look at it and I go, if the end goal is independence and getting a successful referendum, what you're trying to implore is take care

or take responsibility for the community you've created. And if you do that, there's an actual shot at getting to the $1.5 million. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. And not only that, not only if enough people do this, like here's the thing. Like, let's say you have a group. Okay. If you have a group, you have the layers that I described. You have the leaders that organize and volunteer and bring people. All the people they trust. And you have the people that show up, right? So you say, okay, I'm going to pick my 10.

And that's those leaders that I've, you know, organized or that I work with. And I'm going to onboard them and they're going to go get the people that they invite. And now you have your list. You own that list, right? I don't own that list. The group owns their own list. Right? So I can't even see it.

I don't even know who the people or how many you claimed. Right. Now the surveys, that's the current thing. Right. That's what we're working on right now because, as I said, there's three buckets. We have to get as many IDs as we can. And we're not going to get them all through traditional methods. Like I've been, I've never been on a campaign personally.

I know there's some campaigners who have, but I've never been on a campaign. campaign personally where you identify everybody who's going to vote for you. It just doesn't happen, right? But we could get close. Like, I believe that for every petition signature, we have two hardcore supporters that just didn't sign because they're scared. There's a lot of people that are scared. They don't want to be on a list.

I mean, they got, I mean, the convoy, they got rid of, they froze our bank accounts, right? Like, I've been debanked. I know you know tons of people that have. So I understand. Like there is risk here. And I think a lot of people are frightened by that. They are fine voting if it's, you know, a secret ballot, but they're less interested in putting their name and address on, you know,

a petition to leave the country. Because, I mean, how often are we hearing the yapping online of people saying that we're all traitors, right? Just because we want to engage in it. You had a premier say it. Right. So,

so when you're up again. against that. Probably a big reason why we're not going to hit a million signatures on the petition, but it doesn't mean we're not going to, we're not way ahead on votes. Here's the other thing. Everybody who signed that petition is an ID'd independent supporter. And there are many canvassers who know all of the people who signed with them, right?

So they already know. They have that information. Now, Elections, Alberta has said that we can't use. that information, right? That it's illegal, that it has to be destroyed after it's submitted. Sure, the actual physical paper has to be destroyed, but the people who collected it have a lot of it in their heads. And if they join the Centurion Project, they can help us ID those people very quickly, which means that we can, like, let's say, you know, the Centurion Project does all this work and we, let's say we get only 200,000 IDed supporters. Well, that's 200,000. Well, that's 200,000.

more than we would have had. Right. And there's going to be a lot of different groups doing a lot of work on this. My goal is to get that $1.5 million. I like to shoot for the stars. I like to go far. But even if we only get half of that and then we just say to everybody that we get out to vote, bring one person with you.

There's $1.5 million. Right. So you pivot and you react to what's happening. But I believe in this. That's why. I've dedicated the next, the next, I guess it's only six months now. If you go to the Centurionproject.ca, I got it pulled up and there's an application form. You fill that out. Now you have my information. I get a call.

After I go on, after you've come through the onboarding process, and you see all the names and you start claiming, that information doesn't get passed up above to who you're claiming. The people you claim that you have to get the survey filled out, do they have to? You don't have to, but that's what, that would be very helpful to the movement. All I'm wondering is on the survey, do they have to give out personal information, etc., etc., or is it just general questions? It's just, do you support independence? Have you signed a petition? Are you planning on voting on October 19th?

That's it. That's it. Yeah, this. the whole thing with lists I mean I'm not an advocate of giant lists and being on a whole bunch of lists and everything but I also think there's certain lists you're already on whether you know it or not

and like all the information like you can get more I can get more information on a regular person by searching them in on Google then you're going to find on this well and at some point you have to choose to be you can choose to be on a list of your choosing is what I mean right so like the phone book remember the phone book everybody's address and phone number was in it used to be in it yes Canada 411 like your address is public the government has it people have it is not hard to find I mean you can

pay a property register like go to the registry and say who owns this house and they will tell you right So this is not, you know, it's not nefarious by any means. It's all just publicly information. I go back to you, you brought them up a couple times. So I'll bring up, Marty up north, right? If you follow them on X, he was talking about how many signatures they collected and how many hours a day they spent. And that one of the things he said is he didn't realize how much work it was actually going to be, something along that lines. Yeah.

And when I hear this idea, I'm like, it just. doesn't feel like it's going to be that. It's actually going to be, you can make it as harder as easy as you want. And then once you're on there and you claim, claim your five, claim your 10, whatever you want to do, that's relatively easy. And the responsibility on you is to get these people out to vote. I mean, to identify, I'm sure, but after that, it's, you're trying to get people out to vote. Yeah. Once you've done the surveys, you have one job left. And it's that you just have to figure out how you're going to make sure that they show up to vote. And we will be updating the app, like as we get closer to the referendum, like really close

with have you voted, have you not voted, right? And you go through your claim to people and you're like, okay, this one's voted. Click. This one hasn't voted yet, you know. Yeah. Well, I, you know, from a podcast standpoint, I don't know if I've told you this. I'm, I'm, um, myself, my wife, my three kids, we're leaving for a year. We're going across Canada. We're going to be interviewing. I think I heard maybe a rumor about that, but I didn't know you're going for a whole year. That's amazing. Yeah, well, we're gonna,

my wife is taking a sabbatical from work. We're gonna homeschool the kids while we go. And then the goal is to go across Canada and elsewhere and interview people, you know, we've met, right? But there's a lot of people I've interviewed where I've never met them in person. And my goal is to meet those people. And then one of the other things that I've,

you know, I've always thought when I first started, the podcast, I got to interview some of the community pillars of my area. And I'm like, every area has these people. Yes. Every last. So I'm like, as I start going, I hope I'm going to run into, you know, everybody wants it to be Elon Musk, Tucker Carlson. I'm like, some of the most important conversations I've ever had didn't come from names that people recognized. But then they started talking to people like, who the heck is this? Well, they're just a community member. who's very well respected, has thoughts on the way the world works, or how you should operate in a family or elsewhere.

And they're all just sitting there. And as you get going, I'm like, I wonder how many of those I run into. Now, I draw that back to this. And I go, how many people are sitting there like that, but have reasons why they couldn't become a canvasser? Let's just start with a canvasser. And you still got 7,000.

You still got 7,000 Albertans that are like, no, I'm canvassing. I'm doing this. I'm going out and collecting sea. signatures. Well, one of the barriers of entry to that has just been removed by like probably tenfold. I'll use, I'll do the 10x votes. I'll use that. It's probably been removed by tenfold. You can literally sign up and claim as many or as little as you want. And that's more than David could ever handle. Ever. Anyone, Marty could handle in his one little area. And you think one of

the blessings of COVID, David, is all these little groups and all. all these community members that are that involved are all sitting there. They're wondering, wondering how they can impact independence in a meaningful way that doesn't take them away from their families, their communities, their jobs, etc. You may have just given it to them. I don't know.

I'll wait to hear what the audience says. I think so. I mean, I would answer that with, this is the way. People want to know what the way is. This is the way. Appreciate you hopping on and doing this. Yeah, well, thank you. I mean, I always love coming on. I love your show. And I actually, yeah, I just, I admire what you've done because I really admire people. Are like, you know what, I'm going to build something. And you've built something. And I admire that. I admire the builders. I mean, I think Elon Musk calls them the makers, not the takers. And, and you're a maker. So, I mean, I think this idea of going across the country and meeting these people and interviewing them is an amazing idea. So.

Well, I chuckle. Two God-fearing men, I chuckle because I'm like, it doesn't make any logical sense to me at this current point of what's happening in my own province, right? I'm like, I should be here. I should be interviewing, I don't know. I should be at some of these events like on and on. And come July, we're going to be going the opposite direction, right? And that doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. But I've learned long ago it doesn't need to make sense to Sean in order for it to be impactful. And, and, and have a lot of meaning come out of it. And who knows where it twists and turns and what opportunities pop out of it. But certainly, you know, you don't need to be sitting in Alberta to be a part of the Centurion Project. No, you can be anywhere.

I mean, how many of us have group chats with like 10 or 15 people? Right? I mean, and you go, how do you control all of those? You can't. The federal government literally cannot. No.

This is, I don't know. It's decentralized. Political campaigning. Right. You stole the words out of my head. Yeah. That's what I'm trying to do. Not steal the words out of your head, but I'm trying to take the power away.

Decentralized. Yes. And make people feel comfortable to discuss with their own groups and not feel like they're being pushed on by somebody else who feels like they have the answer. You know, like you mentioned, I can't remember how long, you know, earlier in the conversation. the audience has their thoughts on David. And I'm like, well, I think they have their thoughts on everyone, especially anyone who goes, this is the way. Because then they're like, I don't know, like in our community, this is how we do things.

Well, what people want is decentralization so that they can decide for themselves. And the beauty of decentralization is that you get that. The problem with it is, is how does it all unite to work towards, a specific goal. This is working towards a specific goal with the core theme of it being decentralized. And and I think like ultimately the my goal and what I want my legacy in politics to be is better citizens because I don't think a better politician is going to fix what's broken. But I think better citizens could. Well citizens can hold their politicians to account. You taught me this very, very early on in our relationship.

I think you taught a lot of Albertans or maybe just podcast listeners in general. I think you're right. I mean, look at the attendance of the AGMs, right? But it's not a, it's not a, it's a contact sport. What I was going to say was politics is a contact sport, right? Like it isn't, you don't just sit and watch, you get involved. And once you're involved, you stare at politics, you're like, man, this is a crummy world. Like some days I, some days I scratch my head and I'm like, why?

am I still talking politics? You know, like it's, NHL playoffs is going on right now. Yeah. There's a lot to be, you know, I love that world. I miss that world from time to time.

And yet, I stare at what's going on in the world. And I'm like, there isn't a whole lot of great ideas coming out. This might be one of them. Well, I hope it is. I hope you join it and claim your people.

If you want me to onboard you, we can just easily have that conversation. but I hope your listeners, I hope your listeners give it a chance, regardless of how they might feel about me or anything else, because I really do believe that this is a gift that we've been given. I stumbled upon it on the Tucker Carlson tour. Do you think people won't do it because of you?

There are already people who say they won't because of me. Because of the things and choices and things you've said and everything else over the past. They don't like me. And that's fair. Like I don't want to be liked. That's the other thing, right? Like I've never, I'm homeschooled. I'm aggressive.

I push myself harder than most people that I know. And I push others hard. And I don't suffer fools. I'm not interested in the opinions of people who have no experience in things. Right. And that rubs people the wrong way. I'm totally okay with that. Right.

But I like. I like who I am. I like who God made me. I like what I've accomplished. I'm not interested in other people's opinions of me. They don't matter to me. But on the flip side, I do understand. And that's why I'm having Tim Hoven become the leader of it, right, after it's built.

Because I know that. And I want to, you know, I want to be self-aware enough to know that I'm not the kind of person who manages and leads people at this stage in my life. Like, who knows? maybe God will work on my heart and I'll become more loving and and and you know more giving. I don't know. But right now I know where I'm at in life and I'm not interested in people's thoughts on me. But I don't want that to get in the way of us winning.

And so I hope that people can like look past whatever it is they don't like about me and people have all kinds of different reasons for why they don't like me. But and realize I'm not asking them to follow. me. There's tons of people who come on, you know, on the podcast specifically. You're not best friends with the person. I like good ideas. I like good ideas.

It's like, what are we putting into the universe right now? We're having a discussion on an idea. Yeah. Can it work? I love talking about ideas. I love ideas. I hate feelings. Okay.

I hate when people let their feelings. feelings dictate what they do. I have very intense feelings. I'm a very emotional person. I have very intense feelings as well. People on the podcast probably don't realize that because when I sit in this chair, I try to remove that. Yeah. Yeah. And I try to like, but the reason, but my response to having those intense feelings is to recognize that I've got to, I've got to manage those, right? Feelings are just something that happens to you. I happen to be someone that they happen to a lot and very intensely. And, but, but that's made it so that I don't trust my feelings, right?

If I'm angry, I'm like, why, why am I allowing myself to get angry, right? Or if I'm upset, I'm like, why I'm, and I get those ways frequently, right? But I, I'm in a place where, but a lot of people, it's like, well, I don't like that person, which is a feeling. They make me feel a certain way. And, and they act on that. most people act almost exclusively on their feelings. And I'm asking people to use their minds and to say, you know, your feelings about me don't matter.

Well, they don't matter to me. So you're not doing me any damage by, you know, your feelings towards me. And you might be doing damage to the movement by that, right? You've spurred on a couple more thoughts for me. One is, I think under this project, you could be sitting in Ontario become. part of the project because you know people in Alberta. Yep. Yep.

You don't need to be an Alberta citizen to help people show up to an election. And you go, like, what are we talking about? We're actually talking about keeping people accountable to show up when they should show up. Yeah. To vote to be citizens. Which means this is for, this is bigger than just Albertans. This can be anywhere where you're sitting. You can be sitting in the United States right now.

an expat and have a whole community back home that you've left and still become a part of it. Yep. Yep. You can be anybody, right, if you know them. That's the thing is I ask that it be people who know the people that they're claiming. Like, I want you to know the people you're claiming because the purpose of this is interpersonal relationships, right? It's trying to tap into the thing that makes us human in my, like my philosophy of life, humanity, whatever you want to call it, is that relationships to the core of everything. The other thing you reminded me, or maybe I'd forgotten, is if you're sitting there going, wondering, can Alberta independence work, right? Can it get past a referendum vote? It won't get past

an independent vote if people don't get involved. Yeah. I think, I think that's what I've come to the firm conclusion of. And I just didn't, you know, like, I'm just, one guy. I do a show. I don't want to tell Albertans how to think. I just try and bring people on that can help how they think. Yeah, inform them on different perspectives even. Right. But if you don't get involved, you're sitting wherever you're sitting right now listening to us. If you don't get involved, it won't work. It's going to take it, it's going to take people getting involved. You're giving an option if they love or hate you. And the beauty of it is I've given them an option that has nothing to do with me. Right? Like, you know,

in the sense that everything that they do is just what they already have, right? They already have these relationships. All we're asking is for them to take responsibility for them. David, thanks for hopping on and doing this. Thanks for having me, man. I loved it. I can't wait for it to come out. And even if I can get a raw file,

I'd love to clip some of it because I think actually this could be very useful, like just to use as a training. I'll send it out obviously the whole list and everything, but as a training exercise for people just to understand. understand, you know, and not training, inform information, right? I want people to understand. And I think you really drew out the depth of what I'm trying to do here in this conversation. Well, I appreciate you hopping on and doing it. Awesome. Thank you.