Shaun Newman Podcast - #1042 - Kathy Flett

Episode Date: April 28, 2026

Kathy Flett is one of the co-creators of the Alberta Women’s Independence Network. She is also a mom, wife, grandma, and a proud Albertan. She hops on to discuss a series of conversations she’s helping organize that bring together Alberta podcasters and experts. Col. David Redman’s Frontier Centre report, Canada 2024: A Confident and Resilient Nation or a Fearful and Fractured Country, serves as the starting point. Using his six pillars — Unity, National Security, Good Governance, Protection of Rights and Freedoms, Economic Prosperity and Growth, and Personal and Community Well-being — as a template, these discussions explore the practical questions around an Independent Alberta. Watch the Cornerstone Forum 26’https://shaunnewmanpodcast.substack.com/Silver Gold Bull Links:Website: https://silvergoldbull.ca/Email: [e-mail] Grahame: [phone]Bow Valley Credit UnionBitcoin: www.bowvalleycu.com/en/personal/investing-wealth/bitcoin-gatewayEmail: [e-mail] Get your voice heard: Text Shaun 587-217-8500

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Welcome to the Shaw Newman podcast. Today, I'm joined by Kathy Flet. Ma'am, thanks for hopping in. It's a pleasure. Always. Now, I feel like, you know, I was just saying, you're coming off of David Parker yesterday, it seems to be an Alberta independence theme this week. And I would love to say I had that all lined out magically, but it just seems to be the way the cards are falling. Now, you and a group of ladies are pulling together some different speakers to talk on different subjects. I'm probably oversimplifying that.

Maybe you can walk us through this idea, how it came about, and what you're hoping to accomplish. Sure. So it started a handful of months ago, just in conversation. There was three of us. There's myself, Angela, and then Pet, who all sat down. And it was actually Pet came to us with this idea that a lot of people have got questions around the whole, the process of becoming our own country, and what does it look like after, and what happens after this and what happens before that. And then as Angela and I were speaking, traveling, everybody knows, I think they know anyways, we're traveling the province, speaking to large groups and small, the same questions kept coming up. Well, what about this? What about that? And then Pet found this article that Colonel Redmond, Lieutenant Colonel Redmond wrote. And it outlines these six pillars on building a strong country, a resilient country, one that can withstand just about anything that comes from it. And we thought, well, what if we did a podcast? Make it seven. So we'll do the six pillars. And then the seventh one will be kind of a wrap up. What if we'll have? we did that and brought a bunch of people together to talk about all of these things. Okay, well,

that seemed kind of cool. And then we sat down and went, okay, well, who would speak to these pillars? Who do we have? We need some experts in their field. So we made a list of those kinds of people. Well, who are these? And then we went after them. And almost all of them we didn't know them. We just reached out and said, hey, we have this idea. What do you think? And then from there, it was like, well, we've got a whole bunch of really amazing homegrown podcast. What if we bring them into this project and just making an Alberta themed everything? And so we reached out to all of you guys and said, hey, we have this idea. Would you want to be a part of it and walk with us through that?

And it literally just all came together. So all the podcasters are Alberta podcasters. But all the speakers are not necessarily all from Alberta. We do have some that are from Ontario, like Tom Marazo tonight. He's from Ontario. We've got a couple from the U.S., but they're all people who can speak to these specific pillars. And the hope is by doing it live on Mondays and Thursdays at 7 o'clock,

although this Thursday will be at 6 because Sam Cooper's schedule didn't allow for 7. So this Thursday will be at 6. The hope is by doing it live, that will give people in Alberta that opportunity to ask their questions that they might be too shy to ask in a public setting or they maybe don't want to get, you know, dog piled on social media if they ask it or whatever. They can just do it there under some anonymous name. And we can take some of the, some of the pokeyer subjects and soften the edges and give people a vision as to what we can get out of it.

So first off, I should have started this with you and Angela were on talking about going around Alberta on episode 990. Colonel David Redmond was on episode 994 talking about the pillars. So for any SMP listener that wants to go back, hear about what you're talking about when you talk. We're going across Alberta and doing these, you know, small gatherings. You can hear that 990, 994. And those two give you a little bit of insight into what you're talking about. Now, when you talk about the pillars, who are the podcasters from Alberta that you've got on the project?

Like who's sitting down with Tom tonight? So with Tom tonight is Jason. So Tom is with Jason Levine. Last week we had Colonel Redmond sat down with John Bolton. So that was pretty fun. Eva Chippiac sat down with the boys at the Critical Compass last Thursday. So you can see that is up already live streamed out there everywhere. We've got Mike C. Segan. I think I said his last name right. He's from Promethean Action. He is going to be who's he sitting down with? I'll come back to you with an answer on that. that. I can't remember exactly. We've got Holmes sisters. They're going to be hanging out with Fergus Hodgkin and Brett. Fergus Hodgkin and Brett Oland. And who am I missing? Oh, Corey Morgan.

That's the other. Corey Morgan, he's going to be hosting Mike Segan. And then you, you and Sam Cooper. There you go. That's a pretty, I feel honored to be in that cast. I seem to know, you know, the only one I'm sitting there as you rattle off the, well, no, that's not true. No, I think the only host I haven't sat down with is Bolton, I think. And it's funny because I think that's come through the chat that I should have him on, but I recognize everybody else. So your goal is to leverage then the different independent media types. And then what are the subjects they've talked on or talking to? So we've already talked about unity. And that was with Colonel Redmond. And then we talked already about before you hop to each one. Sorry, I'm going to interject with,

With Redmond. Yeah. Interesting because when he was on with me, he basically said, I'm a Canadian first. Yep. So how did that conversation go? It was wild. I strongly recommend everybody go back and watch it because he is a federalist and he said so. Like you understand that I'm a federalist and we said, yes, we understand.

But that doesn't mean we can't still have the conversation. A hundred percent agree. Right. Just an interesting choice, right? Because if you're sitting there and you're against this type of conversation, well, you literally had a federalist on, right? So it'd be interesting to hear his thoughts. On the flip side, if you're coming in thinking it's all pro-freedom people and pro-Alberta independence, Colonel Redmond would not be on the top choices other than the pillars are what he wrote about.

That's right. And he was completely honored to hear that we were doing this. Like we asked him first, do we mind, do you mind if we use your? document, your pillars as a, as a blueprint for this conversation. And he just loved the idea. He thought it was great. Obviously, he came on the first one. Where can people go to find this? You can find them on any of our X channels. We, we restreamed them on there. And then any of the podcasters, it'll be on their channels. So if I wanted, but if I wanted to go find them all, go find your ex. Where's your X? What would handle do you have? Oh, go to Alberta Women's Independence

Network on X or you can go to Kathy Flet 1 or Angela Tay back. Any three of those will, they're all on there. Okay. Now I'm going to go back. So you had Colonel Redmond on. What's the one that, like you said is a wild conversation. Well, what was like when you sit back, you go, man, that was interesting. What sticks out to you?

Well, he kind of helped make our argument for us, honestly. there was nothing that he said that convinced anybody that we should stay. But at the same time, I think he really personalized that inner struggle that a lot of Albertans are having that, but I'm a Canadian. I mean, like, I don't know how I, like, how do I circle this square kind of thing? And you, you watched him in, in that podcast struggling with it, too. And I think it, hopefully, it gave those folks that are in that. same sort of camp, if you will, that opportunity to just explore it.

And just don't be afraid to talk about these things, even if you don't agree. Just get in the conversation anyway and go for it. Well, I agree. Yeah. I agree. I mean, it's going to be, I don't know, you probably saw the Daniel Smith press conference where she brings up, the question of Lukasdick's question comes up and how they can't both be on there.

And the way it made me feel leaving, watching the video was, even if they shut down Mitch Sylvester's question in court, there's going to be a question on the ballot come October 19th. Because when you do just the simple math, how many, how many Lukas get? 400 and some thousand, roughly? Yeah. They knocked off 50,000, I think.

And then we don't know what the number right now of Mitch's is, but let's just say 300,000 for easy figuring. that's like 700,000 Albertans feel strongly enough about this to sign something. Now, you know, a chunk of those, half of them saying they want to stay and another half saying we want to go.

Seems like it's on the top of the mind for a lot of Albertans. So when you say it's time to get in the conversation, to me, after listening to Daniel Smith, you know, all the, not fear, just maybe questions around is it going to actually get there? I think she addressed it like, yeah, it's going to get

there, one way or another. I think so and I think that's good and I get really frustrated with the folks who say well Daniel Smith better take aside You know she should she should do this or she should do that and and I disagree with that this is not the time or the place for the premier to take aside on this subject This is our this is our battle this is for albertans to decide it needs to come from the people not the politicians and so I would really wish that people would just give her a break on that and leave her alone She's doing the right thing by letting us be the ones to check the box and not the government telling us once again what we are are not going to do well i think a lot of people just want to follow right they just they just want somebody to lead the way so they can just go on and all right yep that's way we're going sounds great but on this one everyone's going to have to decide yeah it's too

big a deal it really is it's too big a deal and it affects everybody um no matter what side of the of the vote you're on it's going it's going to affect you and And that's another thing that gets part of the conversation too is what if it's close? What if it's not? What if it's this? What if it's that? And we kind of have all these bridges to cross along the way. And those questions come up too, which was another reason why, well, let's look at these six

pillars. Maybe that will help us. And one of the things that's been really interesting is most of us that are, you know, most of us that are in business, we go, okay, well, is the end going to justify the means? Is everything that we go through to build this business going to, is all of that work going to justify it in the end and it's almost like this is flipped it's well will the means will the end will the means justify the end everything that we're going through right now to get to independence to become our own country because we don't actually know what that house is going to look like is it going to be

worth it and and so to help people kind of walk that through in their heads it's it's a bit to my mind anyways it's it's kind of flipped where we don't we know the steps sort of right like the clarity act gives us up until here but then after that it's just it's a political battle it's Bruce party has said it's a battle of wills at that point whoever's going to stick to in the fight longer um we'll win it and then we see Carney throwing like even today this stupid sovereign wealth fund i'm like oh yeah okay here's another cog in the wheel we're going to have to go against now And so will all of these little battles that we have on our way out the door justify having our own country? I say yes, unequivocally, but not everybody's there yet.

So that's why we want to just continue to have these conversations. So you had David Redmond on the first one. How many of you done since then? Just two. Okay. And what was the second one? And then the second one was Evacchipak with the critical compass. We had those guys on there.

And that one, we talked about protections of rights and freedoms because she's, obviously, that's definitely in her wheelhouse. And even that was a really interesting conversation because here we have this extremely well-known constitutional lawyer, you know, household name. And she's being asked questions and she says, you know, I don't know. I don't know what the right answer is to that. We need to talk this out. And I thought, good for you. Good for you. Like we don't have to have all the answers,

but we do need to have the conversation. And so that was kind of my biggest takeaway is that even the smart people in the room don't have all the answers. We got to figure this out together by having these conversations. And it's, you know, I can't speak forever, but I've always felt like,

and maybe I'm wrong on this. If you're listening, you can text me and tell me different. I've always felt she's a little closer to Federalist than, than directly like raw, raw, all independent Alberta. But maybe I'm wrong on that. So her, she would have an interesting balance on how she'd approach questions as well.

I guess I think the choice is very sound because you think there's a whole list of constitutional lawyers. Haven't we found them all? They've all got a voice. They've all been talking not only about this, but a whole host of things. And I just find her balanced, I guess is the right, I don't know if that's the right word.

Sorry, I should be asking you this, not trying to comment on. I was just thinking of her speech when she talked at the big event in Calgary for the petition signing. And I felt like it was very, like we're allowed to ask these questions. It wasn't, we need out of here. It was like, we're allowed to have these conversations. It was a very balanced response to what was happening, you know, like that's how I took it. It is. She's a very calming voice, like very much a voice of reason in the midst of it. And just sort of gives that that reassurance that it'll be okay. It'll be okay. We'll just put one foot in front of the other and it'll be okay.

So now for the next, obviously Tuesday, Thursday, Tuesday, Thursday, so two more weeks, you have Tom or Azzo. I sit with Sam Cooper. Yeah. You have, uh, forgive me, uh, on the other. too. Yeah, Mike Segan with Corey Morgan and it's Monday. Sorry, it's Monday Thursdays. I might have misspoke there. Mondays and Thursdays. So yeah, Mike Siegel, um, Sagan and Corey Morgan and then you and Sam Cooper. And then we've got Fergus Hogson and Brett Oland hanging out with the home sister. Who's, who's Fergus? Oh, he's amazing. Yeah. Just go on YouTube and Google, Google his name on there. And, um, he actually took, took part in one of

Jason Levine's tours. And so he's an economist. He's lived in Canada. He's lived in the States. He's got the New Zealand accent where he was raised. And he has a really interesting perspective, having lived in all three of those countries. And then the economic background that he has on what this could all look like. And he's all in.

Like economically, Alberta has to leave. And there'll be no looking back. We won't have to. but he comes at it in a much more measured way than maybe what some others do saying oh yeah you know as soon as we cut that umbilical cord that's it we're we're out of here and it's smooth sailing he's like no they again kind of like eva he's measured there's going to be some steps along the way but it'll be worth it well that i don't know i'm obviously no brett uh i think very well had him on the podcast lots and then of course he spoke at the last two cornerstone

forums actually stepped in and filled some some shoes of people who couldn't make it and he's always I mean geez he had the best one-liner uh had the whole crowd laughing uh this year and it was the year before he was doing push-ups on stage so he's found a way to i mean not to mention the things he's said but he always seems to find a way to to inject some humor not only some some um perspective on on and money and everything else. So, I mean, you know, like, are you planning to do more of them? I'm just curious. Like, if after you get through, after you get through six of them, you think how many names

you could do on the pillars over and over and over again, not to throw a ton of work on you, but, you know, as you go along. That's actually part of the conversation that has come up is already we're only two in. and it's come from one of the podcasters saying, hey, how can we keep this conversation going? That was great because there's going to still be more questions even after we go through these six pillars, there's more. You think, Kathy, like as it gets more realistic,

so as you march closer to October 19th and people are like, oh, this is actually happening, how many more questions are going to come up between here and there? Right? Like right now, it still feels like, well maybe it's not going to happen maybe there's a way they shut it down maybe maybe maybe and at some point there will be no more maybes and people will be hungry for some knowledge on the subject i would think i think it's already happening i think it's already happening and you're right

it's just going to grow and it's going to grow and and so long as we've got other podcasters willing like yourself like willing to keep going and other speakers to keep talking um And it's important, like we think it's important to make sure that they're experts in their field that we're bringing on because they'll be able to speak with more authority. Like, I mean, I can read a book and speak as much as anybody else. But there is something to be said for someone that's got the credentials behind them. And I think as I'd like to think anyways, as we get closer to October, that there will be more people who have this extra bit of knowledge about the legal side of it or the, you know the bean counting side of it the personal rights and freedoms like let's explore that a little bit more because what how do we do we really want to risk

the mandates again are we are we okay with that because there's nothing suggesting that there's going to be a conservative government again ever honestly and these are the tough things we have to these are the conversations we have to have and they're not comfortable they're not fun but we need to I guess me and you have a little different definition of fun. I think they're fun. I think let's spice it up a little bit. It's like, oh, man.

I mean, that's kind of what I like doing is getting a little uncomfortable, like myself being uncomfortable in conversation, you know, when things become a little too, I don't know, not mundane, but, you know, the status quo, it's like, I got to find, you know, like, what's a new idea out there. I think what you're doing is very interesting because once again, I had David Redmond on to talk about his pillars, because the thing that struck me when I read them is I had an uncle.

I'd asked him this years ago. Like, what's wrong with the Canadian politician? Or what's wrong with like, and he goes, oh, they lack vision. And me and him would definitely not see eye to eye on everything that has gone on in the last five years, let alone, you know, as the thing speed up. But that really stuck with me. Like the lack of vision of where do we actually want to go, you know? And, you know, the whole theory behind, or I guess the operating theme of this year's Cornerstone Forum was to have discussions, have difficult discussions.

Because with Odom, how can we decide where we actually want to go? We have to, we have to know things. We have to ask the questions, you know, here in Lloyd, I'm sure half of Lloyd's going, well, we're sitting on Saskatchewan. Like, what's a reasonable answer to that? I actually don't know if anyone knows a reasonable answer to a border city. And if overnight, I mean, it's not overnight. Obviously, there's going to be discussions that happen over the course of time. But you go, there's probably something in history that would tell us.

Like, is there a vote? Lloyd would have a vote. And all of a sudden you get to decide whether you're all going Alberta or you're all staying in Saskatchewan. I assume there's some legal way to walk through those. But if you never discuss them, you just go, oh, we'll get there when we get there. You could lose a lot of voters that way instead of actually giving it some thought. That's a good point. That's a really good point.

And I'm with you, honestly. Like, if things aren't, if things aren't spicy, I'll probably do something to rectify that. But that's not the norm, right? You and I are not the norm on that. And that's why this conversation can be really tough for people to have. I also think that one of the goals we had for this series is to teach people how to have the conversation. So, for example, with David Redman being a federalist and everybody else, that was talking on there was not right so there was this tension in the room but the tension was very

respectful it was very maintained and the chats not so much but in in the actual conversation just teaching people it's okay you don't have to agree and you can still go for a beer after it's all right it we don't we don't have to make everything so polarizing and and so that's another goal out of this is just to teach us again how to sit down and go okay well we disagree on this how come Is there any part of us that does agree? No. Okay. Or, yeah, we did finally find something.

That's great. But it's a lost art to have these conversations. Well, it has been modeled for us in how many years. It's been a long time. I don't know of any. Now, certainly I wasn't podcasting 15 years ago, let's say. But certainly in the time that I have been, I haven't seen very few examples.

examples, if any, from my own country on how to have a difficult discussion that doesn't resort to a lot of ugliness. That's right. And it starts with our politicians. I mean, I don't know what they do on a, you know, it's just theater at this point, isn't it? Like, they go back and forth of like, can we just, can we just solve some problems already? That'd be nice. Can we just talk to all these people are upset? Maybe there's a reason.

Nope. We'll call them traders. We'll demonize them. All these things. And when you, you're going back, now you said, I should have asked this right off the hop. You said yourself, Angela, and Pet. I feel like Pet is an odd name. Can you walk me through that?

Yeah. Pet is an odd name. That's her nickname that we're calling her online because it's possible that if her place of work found out that she was involved with this, they would fire her. Because that's a thing. And so we protected her. But at the same time, it didn't mean she couldn't do. nothing. And in fact, she's kind of been the engine behind this whole project. She's the one

who is, who has been able to reach out and get almost all of the speakers and the podcasters, for that matter. There was a, there was a few that I knew that I was able to reach out to myself, but she, she was really the spearhead behind. She says, you know, I can't be the face of it like you and Angela can, Kathy, but I can do this. And she's just a real testament that it doesn't matter where you are in life if you believe in this and you find people you can trust to keep your identity until you feel secure to throw it out there you can there's so much to do that everybody can still do something yeah i'm waiting to hear what everybody thinks of the the david parker episode on the centurion project not to just shift gears but it's kind of the same thought

process one of the one of the things you know in talking to david i'm like you could be sitting you know, sorry, Drew, I don't think I'm throwing you under the bus here at all. But Drew Weatherhead's a guy who left Canada, Alberta, in the middle of COVID, right? Yeah. And that story, he comes back on the podcast usually once a year when he's back from his travels. Him and his young family and wife, they've lived in the States essentially. Now he's in Japan. And I text him, and he said, like, did you listen to David Parker?

He goes, yeah. I said, you realize? And he's like, yeah, I could do this from Japan. I'm like, yeah, well, anyone could do it from anywhere because all it is is canvassing Albertans on what their thoughts on Alberta independence is. It doesn't even matter if they say no. That's just another answer to show where Alberta is leaning on this. I'm like, that's a fascinating idea because there's, you know, there's levels of people that

there's like 7,000 canvassers, right, that have just done incredible work to get it to where a petition will turn into a referendum, right? I don't think we can, can you speak highly enough? Like, I drive down Lloyd Minster, the main drag. There's two spots. They've been there every day. I don't know of a day they haven't been there. I'm sure it hasn't been.

Maybe it's been the same person. Maybe it hasn't. Maybe I should just stop and say hello. Regardless, I'm like, good on them for sitting there day after day after day. And, you know, there's a whole bunch of people that want to get involved. They're worried about their, could be their place in employment, like pet, right? Like, I mean, or it could be other things. things going on. And there seems to be more and more ideas starting to pop to the surface

where you can really play a little part in educating yourself, educating your family and friends, showing them some things, doing, you know, what you ladies are doing. I don't know. Very interesting idea from where I stand. Well, and the coolest part about about this project is it started off as an idea and then like every other idea, you know, kind of gets some legs and away we go. And then we start, I'll close the emails and the texts and the phone calls and all the rest. And it didn't matter who we called, Sean. Nobody said no. And nobody said, well, who else is going to be on there? Because if so-and-so is there, I'm not doing it. Or, well, I want this pillar. I don't want that one. Like, that never happened. Nothing like that happened.

It was, yep, absolutely. Sign me up. What do I do? I should have been more pre-Madonna. I would like to have only red jelly beans. Right. Exactly. Nobody asked for certain kinds of fruit in the green room and all that nonsense. Like it was quintessential Alberta. Just boom.

Yes. Let's do it. How can I help? What's going on? What do you need from me? And it's been amazing. Not surprising, but amazing. Yeah.

Well, that's the cool thing about Alberta. I mean, actually, I don't even want to put it as just albertans because this community on this podcast extends far past Alberta. And they're all yes people, right? Like there's so many scattered amongst further out in just Alberta. And I'm starting to believe that they can play their part from somewhere else as well. Yeah. As, you know, we're seeing all the, it's, I don't know, does anybody think it's not going to ramp up here more and more? as we get closer and closer. Like every person I've talked to from the Quebec referendums,

they don't paint a pretty picture on what's about to go on in this province in the next little bit from the media, federal government, other provinces, et cetera. Like I don't think you're gonna get a whole bunch of allies. I mean, from the public you can. And I think that's what's cool because what you're doing,

and I think what others are doing, And I think what others are doing, there's a way that other Albertans, or not Albertans, Canadians can really lend a helping hand to what's happening here. Well, exactly. Actually, I just had a really sobering conversation this morning with someone who's very much involved in this movement. And it's a conversation I've had with a number of people saying that whoever we were talking about, you know, when the leader arises. Because right now this movement doesn't have a leader, right?

There's just a whole bunch of us that won't shut up about it. That's the best, though. They can't knock one off. Right? That's what I said. Like, we got smart this time and we didn't all come under one banner. Everybody was screaming at us. Oh, you all got to get under one banner.

Nobody's getting along. Like, no, we got to make like a game of whack-a-mole so they can't take us all out at once, right? And that's what we did. And we left the politicians out of it. And here's where we are. And I attribute that to the fact that we've decided to work together as individuals. Like we're still all friends. We still talk. We're just not under one banner so they can't bring it all down all at once. So then what's come of that is there's there's all these voices. So there's not a leader yet

And that's not a bad thing because exactly what these folks from Quebec are saying is Once this hits that tipping point and the referendum passes and then the real work begins and the real fight starts With Ottawa and the other provincial provincial leaders, I won't say the people of Canada I'm not going to say Canadians. I'm going to say provincial leaders. It's going to get ugly. And so whoever is that person who's going to lead has to have this so deep in their soul. Because what they're going to have to stand up against is unbelievable.

It's just unbelievable. And so it's, I mean, as a woman of prayer, I would even encourage anybody who does pray. Pray for that person now. Don't wait. you know, pray for that person now, that the Lord would just really surround them with the people that they're going to need, with the wisdom and the supports that they're going to need to walk through that, because it is going to be tough. Quebec showed us that already, that it's going to be tough. And at the same time, when we say, you know, that's the Albertan way, that's the Albertan way,

I don't think there's any, there's no, there's no need to apologize for saying that's the Albertian way to just begin to identify with that in hopes that other provinces will do the same. well that's the Saskatchewan way that's the Ontario way because right now the Canadian way doesn't make sense there is no Canadian way it's a post-nation state it's done it's over it's so there's something else that people need to identify with it's just how we're wired it's how God made us and so if we can get everybody in each of their provinces to identify with that identity think of what we could do collectively after once like what if we go and then Saskatchewan goes and then on then Quebec says yeah well you know what maybe we better do something similar and then Ontario goes well maybe we should split apart and get

rid of Toronto and Ontario and or Toronto and Ottawa and see what we can do there like we could actually save the people of Canada but we have to help people not see themselves necessarily as Canadians first because that will be a barrier sorry that was a really long rant there but anyway yeah well i don't know i i shout out to jamie seemed to reflect back on a conversation we had in 2021 because he was the first guy who told me you know we're just two different cultures he was talking about western canada versus eastern canada and i still think those values that canadians look back on very fondly of are there across the country it's just there's something interesting about Alberta. I can, you know, like Karen Katowski talking about, you know, the place with the most freedom

gets freedom first makes a lot of sense to me. You're allowed to talk about things that other places maybe. And so you go, what is it about Alberta? Well, I mean, you list off all the podcasters that you're working with. I'm like, well, that's part of it. I mean, we're the only province in all of Canada that after COVID got rid of their premier. Only one. I mean, that makes us different full stop. Right? Like we said, we're not doing with this. And, you know, I think, you know, some of it, Daniel Smith has been given, there's times where she makes her own bed. And then there's other times where she says something. I'm like, well, that's what you got elected right there, right? I still think when they were all pushing on her to call Albertans traders and she's like, you want me to demonize a million Albertans? I'm not going to do that. Perfect. Thank you. Thank you. Oh, we're, you. You're, you. You've got now, go back to my number, I don't know, am I right on it, somewhere around 700,000 Albertans, you know, that's almost one in five that of thinking about this. We absolutely know the numbers higher than that, that are thinking about it, whether,

which way they sway, I have no idea. There's a lot of Albertans that are curious about this question and whether or not it's going to see the daylight. And she just basically said it will. Yeah. You know? So, I mean, Alberta is this, it's an interesting, interesting, everybody wants everybody to just pull in the same direction.

But when you're decentralized, as you pointed out, a bunch of little groups pulling in the same direction, some pretty cool stuff can happen. I'm very curious to see what happens here over the next few months. And certainly with your conversations you're putting forth, I think it's a very interesting idea because people want to know where we're heading. Well, the only way to do that is to discuss it. That's right.

That's right. And then it's much easier to make a decision, right? confused minds can't make a decision anybody in sales knows that and and so if we can talk about okay well what is this going to look like what might that look like what about here what about there these are the questions that are coming up what about our constitution how are we going to get a constitution and and that's the other thing in especially in the larger groups it's really fun to watch people when when they start asking the questions after the presentations and to say well for the first time ever albertans are going to do

decide our future. Albertans are going to decide what laws we want to have. We're not going to be told. We're so used to people saying, well, this is how it's going to be. And we just are supposed to live with it. No, no, no, that's not how this is going to go at all. I'm not saying we're going to agree on everything. We won't. But certainly we won't. Right. At least it'll be our decision and not somebody from Ottawa deciding how we're going to do something. And it's really fun watching people kind have that aha moment that oh yeah at least we can i can check a box and it's going to matter and and for the first time i can check a box and it's going to matter and that in and of itself um tends to sway a lot of people over well i know so we leave i brought this up lots but we leave july 5th

and we start heading east as i we do the you know the show on the road but i fully intend to be here October 19th to put my vote in on on this you know as long as everything plays out the way I think it's looking now you know just the way it seems to be heading I fully plan to be back in Alberta then and one of the things I love about we're not going to agree one of the things that you love about the Alberta way is that you don't agree on everything but that's right we should discuss we should have disagreements we should allow the best argument the best ideas to rise to the top not just suppress everything and not talk about things. No, we got to talk about these things. Yeah. Yeah. And a part of that that's very important is to say, oh, you know what? I didn't think of

it that way. You're right. I should be right. Like we're going to have those moments or no, thank you for that correction. Thank you. Thank you for for pointing that out. I didn't know that. And be open to not not having not having to be right all the time. Like none of us have to be, have to have all the answers. We just have to have a willingness. to go and find the answers and to come to some sort of consensus on them. Now, I'm going to ask this one more time because I want to make sure people, if they're like, where do I find this? Where can they find all these interviews?

I mean, obviously the one I'm doing with Sam Cooper folks will be live on all my social media. So you can find it there. But like, is there a central location where they can go and see the first two conversations and pay attention for the conversations that are coming ahead? Yeah. So Alberta Women's Independence Network Facebook page or X page, both of those. Kathy Flett, Facebook page or X page. Now, my Facebook page is a blog page.

So put Alberta Patriot in there and you'll find the right one. And then Angela Tayback, her Facebook or her X is where you'll find them. And then all the podcasters will have it on all of their stuff. So you'll have it on yours. Critical Compass has it on his. John Bolton will have it on his. Corey Morgan will have it on his. Jason Levine will have it on his all that.

And then I guess before I let you out of here, I am kind of curious. You've been still traveling around with Angela doing your meetings in, you know, small gatherings and everything, correct? Yep. How's that been going? Oh, it's so good. It's so good. The last one I did actually was just outside Alex.

It was a farm, farming community. They had me come out and there was eight ladies and a little brand new baby all around the table. And so we chat it all. It was a hen party. It was lovely. And so I just walked them through our little pamphlet that we have. And it was interesting. It was the same response that normally happens where people see now for themselves

exactly what the seed allocation is and what realities were under and what the headlines actually say as opposed to what they want us to believe. And then by the end of it, everybody is good and energized and ready to do it again at their place. somewhere else and i've got another one on friday actually this week um that's here in sherwood park and i'm not sure what angela's got all going on down south but it's still going there's still both of us are speaking to bigger groups and we're still doing the home meetings it's been great when when you start to do i don't know i assume i felt like i asked this before but i'm going to ask it again anyways like when you do that many meetings you start to see the same trends or the you know red flags

Right? Different things that people are concerned about. Is there anyone that sticks out to you that's become a very common thread? Now, well, now that, like, we've got, so the petition made everything much more real for a lot of people. And now they know sort of where to find some, some of the answers that we didn't have before. So it's shifted a little bit. And not, not so much of why. The why has been answered. So those questions, it's the how.

how do we do this that's the common theme doesn't matter the size of it doesn't matter the size of the meeting whether it's two people in a coffee shop or 200 people how do we do this how do we do this what are the steps um what do we look for what do we look forward to what do we need to be ready for that's the common theme now and Angela I got Angela on my mind now Kathy thanks for hopping on and doing this. That's too funny. Thanks for, thanks for hopping on and doing this.

I think, you know, giving Albertans, but even Canadians, you know, I even think now, once again, I go back to the idea

of the Centurion Project. Jeez, it's obviously stuck in my brain a little bit today, folks. I go like, there's ways for expats, right?

We both know of people who've left and are like, I'm not coming back. But then those same people will tax you go, so how are things actually going there? And I chuckle. I'm like,

So they're paying attention. They want to know what's happening on the, you know, on the ground level here in Alberta. And I think there's more and more ways of which they can still be involved. You know, like they read pieces. I remember if I thought they were doing good work, right? I'm thinking of CBC or CTV, one of the two. We're talking about how, you know, now Albertans are going down to X-PAC communities and getting signatures there. And that's just brutal.

And I'm like, that was a really good idea. I'm like, brilliant. You just gave a whole bunch of Albertans a brand new idea of where to go and they're going there. And now, like, there's just more and more ideas for these communities that are further abroad, not here, but want the best to happen for Albertans where they can become involved. So appreciate you hopping on and what you ladies are doing. I'm curious how mine and Sam's conversation is going to go and look forward to it. But regardless, thanks for hopping on and doing this.

and, you know, I don't know, trying to help Albertans wrap their brain around what Alberta independence could look like. Yeah, anytime. It was fun. Love it.