Shaun Newman Podcast - #1045 - Brother's Roundtable

Episode Date: May 1, 2026

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Well, welcome to another brother's roundtable. Of course, now Harley isn't here. So, you know, this is how it goes during the playoffs. Gentlemen, thanks for hopping in. Can I start with this? Sure. Okay, so last week, Jason tore a strip off me for saying that the most lopsided series in the first round was Colorado, L.A.

Because he said the first two games were tight. And I said, and he said, did you watch the games? I'm like, actually, I did watch the games, Jamie. What I said was that L.A. had no push to score goals in that series. They weren't close. Colorado was a far better team. Yes, the first two games were close, but Colorado was such a better team than L.A.

Jay, do you know who the most lopsided series in the first round was? I don't know. Ottawa got swept by Carolina. There was two sweeps. And L.A. got swept by Colorado. That's right. And I will go back and say, at the time we're talking to us,

it's great 2020. Let's not get into what Jay would do with his 2020 vision over the last 30 years, okay? So the first two games were tight. L.A. was four minutes away from winning game two. That's all I was saying. I'm not going into game. And I did say, if you also go back and listen,

that I could see Colorado ripping off a bigger winning game three, which they did. Yes. And that's all I was saying was sometimes the games are close, even though they're not close. I find it interesting of how this has bothered you the whole week. You could have just, you could have just phoned and we could have just talked this out.

No, no, no. This is what the round table is for, for the record. Ottawa, I thought, was had a couple, couple times, more than a couple times where they had some bad luck.

Like, like the goal tending on the, on the Carolina side was fantastic and a little bit lucky at times, without a doubt. And they outscored, Carolina outscored Ottawa, 115,

Colorado outscored L.A. 135 and swept them, which means they were the most lopsided series in the first round is what I said. But after the first two games is four two. Yeah, for sure. So if L. Yeah,

but sometimes it's more about the score. Question for you. If L.A. plays Dallas or Minnesota, is it very similar? Like, did L.A., is it because Colorado is so good defensively, or is it because L.A. just does not score goals? Do they beat Dallas or Minnesota? No, no, no, no. The question is. Do they get swept?

And is it the same type of thing? Is L.A. scoring more goals against Dallas or Minnesota? Do they get beaten five games or something against those teams? Yeah, probably. I'm saying, do they score more goals? maybe you wonder like no what i mean like i'm just i think the problem with la is i mean which is weird you got kempay and panarin and you got you know coppertar's at the end of his career but panaren's kind of isn't panarin the guy that you go in the playoffs you're like yeah that guy's just

gonna be on the outskirts and you're not going to see well no yeah uh if you look back at the four years the oilers played them their power play was legit every time they went on you were nervous i mean i didn't think the oilers penalty kill can get worse but like uh the ducks exposed well it was at 45% at one point. I don't know after last night what it finished out at, but like, hoofda. So like the LA Kings,

in the four years they played, the Oilers, relied heavily on the power play to do the scoring. And you think with Panarin and Kempe and all the guys. So we're going to get into this later. Are we not? Yes, we are.

Can we, I wanted to start with, we got, so last week we talked about Roli Jervais. All right. We're all dressed up because right after this,

we got Graham Holmodal's funeral. So condolences to the, I'll throw out a little story with Graham Holmdoll. So I met Graham back in, I'm going to say about 2000, 2001. And we were at a little park at Sandy Beach. And I was telling him the troubles we were having with the truck, getting the truck going. And Dad had actually sent it back to Yorkton.

And Graham's like, I can get that thing going. And so Graham joined T-Barr at the start and helped us. He had a driver. which was Darren Holman who drove for us for 11 years. And we got it going. That's how it started. And so Graham was an original T-Barr-1 owner. And then about 05, I want to guess.

It could be a touch-off. We bought him out because he wanted to go start Rohan with Corey Cross. And that's done very well. So he was a very, very calm guy in a storm. You know, someone you can lean on, a really smart guy. and a great guy. So just like Sean says, condolences to the Home Adol family

and Colby himself and a guy that'll be missed. Yeah, well, on this side, from the podcast standpoint, he actually advertised on here when I was first starting out

and then has been, Rohan's been in every Christmas show I've done. He's never wavered from it. The only time they wavered from it was last year because he's like, I think we're going to be in Hawaii. And then he called me up like out of the blue. He's like,

you still got tables left? I'm like, yeah. He goes, we'll just take five of them. Let's just move on. I'm like, all right, yep, sounds good. So Rohan has been at everyone. And I obviously have earlier memories of Graham being, you know, me and Colby, been friends since we were knee high.

And I'm pretty sure. And then Kobe got a taller. Yes, he did. Yeah, a lot taller. And I'm pretty sure Graham is the reason I have fear of tubing on a boat. You know, the Dusty and Kobe loved. battle tubes and we used to go out on sandy beach all the time and I don't know how many times I had the wind knocked out of me or whatever and that toughens you up so yeah good good lots of good

memories I mean we spent a lot of time there through high school too me and Kobe being uh you know living out in Helmand and then you know Graham being in town and you guys being in town right living next door to each other some of the basketball games we actually had a neighbor in the middle so if Kobe played his music too loud he'd bring out his road to in the middle of the it and put it on high. In the middle of the day, we had the cops called on us. So me and Kobe were playing one-on-one. And I like to point out, Kobe was a basketball player, as Jay's alluded to, he's way

taller than me. I still found ways to beat him because we used to play a little unorthodox, a little more checking in it. And anyways, a little clutch and grab. And in the middle of the day, that neighbor called the cops on us. And the cop came. It's like two in the afternoon. And he shows up, we're like, uh, uh, we've had a noise complaint.

We're like, oh. So we had to turn the music down. Now, in fairness, Kofi had a sub and everything in the back, so it was. The sub was worth more in the car, if I remember correctly. And the other funeral coming up next week is Rick Shesnick, right? Grew up playing hockey with Brandon and then graduated with Vanda. So condolences. I coached them.

We all play Nunear with Brandon and a great guy. And Rick did a lot of coaching in hockey and minor hockey here in Lloyd, too. I got to, I only got, I know Harley played for at least a year. The only time Rick ever coached me, I don't remember a whole lot of it, but I'd come back from playing, I think, in Ontario and got added to, he put together a team for a native tournament. I don't remember winning many games, but that was a fun weekend. How did you get on that team?

I have no idea, but like Adam Creasy was one of the guys I remember being. He would have been missing a tooth at the time. I certainly was. Yes, I certainly was. Yeah, they had way more skill. And then I forgot to do it last week. And I got to give a shout out or a quick read for guarding plumbing and heating. They've been keeping homes, farms, and businesses running smoothly since 2010.

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guys from our circle at least that have been you know all guys under 70 too so you know you only have so many days so make use from now oilers okay let's talk oilers for a few seconds here we left it till the end last time around let's start with it i want you i want you to start with your story about tom-m-m-quillan i think that's a great way to start this not it wasn't my tom-mac-mclaw that was croff oh okay i'll tell the story so we had croff on the phone before and the legend you know The legend and who's already realized that he decided to go with Pittsburgh in half his draft. So the legend grows. Anyways.

He has fond memories of Pittsburgh winning the cup a few years ago. Yeah. Yeah. Stuck in the past. So he told us a story about eight years ago when McClellan was coached in the Oilers. And Pierre McGuire was sitting in between the benches. In between the benches. Yeah.

And McQuinn gave a look. And Pierre thought, oh, I said something wrong. And so after the game, he went into the dress room and said, you know, is something up? Like, did I say something wrong? And McClellan says, I can't get these guys to play defense. They won't buy in to what I'm saying. And I wanted to tell that story. That was eight years ago because I watched the Oilers play Anaheim.

And the difference, I mean, Anaheim's young and fast and great. The Oilers don't play team defense. It's almost like, hey, we're going to blame the goalie. You know, you went to the finals two years in a row, but it's a goalie's fault. you know we're going to blame darn elners we're going to blame but the whole system doesn't work when you're giving up odd man rushes like the oilers did all series there's a problem in the system and my solution is you've got to get macdavin and dry-siddle to buy in to where you bring in a very reputable coach known for defense and for winning so that you can convince them that if we're

going to go win a cup boys before you guys get too old this is what we're going to do that's the I don't even see a problem in the players. People say, oh, you got to get rid of nurse. It's not getting rid of one guy. It's if the top buys in to team defense, that team could go win a cup. So who would be the coach? Scotty Bowman. No, I mean, he's too old now.

But, you know, for example, who's the, like if John Cooper came available, which he won't, right? But if a John Cooper came available from Tampa Bay, because how do you argue with that guy? You know? Who's Anaheim have? now. Quinville. So how do you argue with Quenville? He's went and won cups. Like, so I would bring in a guy who's actually, because how do you argue with the guy who's went and done it? So you're looking for pedigree. Pedigree and, and yeah. So Quenville, I'm going to talk about Anaheim, uh, after watching them in this series and what Quinville actually did is you're playing against

some of the top players in the world. You've got two of the top, what, five forwards maybe, two of the top three. I don't know, whatever you want to say on the Oilers. And then you've got Bouchard on the back end who's absolutely dynamic when he has the puck. Now, we also give it away, but that's a different story. What Anaheim did was brilliant. If you're up against a team like that, you got a bunch of young guys that can skate. What you do is you roll four lines as fast as you possibly can and keep the energy high because what you want is guys going as hard as they can at their top players at all times. And that's what Anaheim did that entire series. They skated them into the ice. If you look at like how did it all happen like emminton would get the puck

and anaheim would just be all over them and you can do that when you're rolling four lines like that. They never stopped the entire series. Right. And they just outskated them. Yeah, I agree with you, Dust. And that's why I say if I'm Emmington, how you how you combat that is we have to lock it down. So if Emmetton's all over us, we can't give them breakways and odd man rushes and three on twos and two on ones over and over and over again. So you got to play you got to go in. You got to go and win some games against Anaheim 2-1. And that just wasn't in the cards. So, okay, you bring up team defense and all the odd man rushes.

You cannot win a playoff series where the Ducks power play. And this is just a quick look, folks, but roughly 53%. Yeah, that's insane. That's not team deep. Well, I mean, it is, but that's penalty kill. That's special teams. Yeah. Special teams win and lose series.

And when the Oilers were on their run two years ago, I think it was, they didn't give up a power play goal for like, I forget how many straight. They had one of the best penalty kills in the league. No, 53%. So let's go back to some of the moves that Oilers have made over the last couple of years because there was a young kid playing center who's now in Buffalo, Ryan McLeod,

who was a kid who would just go out third line, perfect third line center, work his bag off, you know, block pucks with his face kind of kid. And could skate. And could skate. And if you got high-end skill players, you need players who, young guys who can skate and don't stop skating. Two of the best players on the Oilers this year were Poghoulson and Cap and what are they known for? Going as hard as they can at all times and they skate fast.

What did they have problems with Anaheim? Anaheim filled their whole team with kids like that. So then the second thing I noticed is probably the, I don't know, we play Noon Hour all the time. Do you like me rimming you the puck or putting it on your tape? I hate rimming. I hate it. And I understand once in a while, you got to. So then you go back to getting McDavid and them to buy in.

And I'm like, I don't think that. So we brought coffee in, right? Coffee comes back. And everybody's all, rah, rah. And like, it was last year, I think when the Oilers played Dallas, I thought we were going to get steamrolled. And then the Oilers D was so, you just controlled the puck. Everything was just boom, boom, on the tape.

Oh, we go. So I don't understand why everything came about rimming the puck. They go on their backhand, behind the net, a little chip past to the other D man. Okay. Once, all right, the 70th time in a game, I'm like, you're asking for trouble because that's the hardest play to make. A backhand off the wall instead of direct to the other D man, and then he's under pressure. So you slam it off the boards, flip it high, whatever. There's no puck control.

So if you're McDavid and Drysadle, they're never catching the puck with speed. So you go, team defense. I go, how about? puck's on the tape. So is that coaching too? I don't know. I just, I sat and watched all series. I'm like, they love to rim the puck. They love to do the high flip, but you're not the faster team. Anaheim was the faster team. So the high flip doesn't work. Part of the reason they had to do that was because Anaheim was so fast and forecheck so hard. That was part of it. I understand, but you play noon hour and you have the fastest guys. What do you know they're going to come and they're going to

overpress? And if you make two passes, you're by three of them and now you have odd man rushes. Yes. So while I understand. So is that a coaching adjustment that wasn't made? It's an adjustment. So I want to bring up one other guy. The reason I didn't want to play Utah is because I'm like, they're fast. They were fast and they pressured the crap out of the Oilers. That game they lost 5-4 rate at the end of the season or 6-5, whatever it was.

All they did was just pressure the Oilers' defense and they couldn't handle it. And Vegas is up 3-2. And if I was Quinville, I was looking at that going, well, we're just going to pressure them because they're going to give away the puck over and over and over again. And lots of the goals were on turnovers from Bushard and everyone, but everyone did it.

Okay. The other thing that I thought they missed. Now, this is a small piece, but I always enjoyed watching Kulak with the puck. He was always very good at evading the four checkers. Or how about Broberg? Making a pass. Broberg would be another, right?

Like, you need those defensemen who have the skill sets. And Kulak was a throwing in that goalie deal. And it's like, look at Minnesota's defense. When I watch game one, I'm like, oh my goodness, they are going to win this because their defense just controls the play.

Colorado, they control the play. They got speed on the back end, Everything's taped to tape. You don't see Quinn Hughes rimming the puck every second. No, they talk about his legs and his feet and how he can just move around. They were Bissinette and them guys were talking last night that they got to hit Quinn Hughes. I'm like, have you seen them trying? They've been trying.

Good luck. Good luck, right? Like, you've got to catch him with his head right up his rump in order to. He's done it for so long. That just rarely happens because he doesn't go into a play thinking he can take that hit. So he's already looking his heads up all the time because he understands it. Well, and his edgework and turning and speed is so good, like, he's so elusive. It's so tough to hit because of that.

Okay, so you're the GM of the Emmetton Oilers. What are you making? Can I point out one more thing? One more. Do you know who their longest contract is right now? Your owner's dry cycle. There's one guy who has the same length of contract. Trent Frederick.

And you sit there and go, I remember when that deal signed him, like, why are they signing a third, fourth line guy for that long? because well especially okay so if you want to so so if you want to go down this path I'm just going to point some things out here okay you let Holloway and Broberg go for Arvetson and Skinner who aren't there anymore yes you let Kulak go as a thrown in the deal so you could have Kulak and Broberg is two of your top six defensemen that you don't have anymore and then you could have traded for Connor Murphy you still could have traded for Connor Murphy I'll think of that D-Corps the Ryan McLeod trade actually out of all of it is the

best one because it did get Savoy out of the deal and he's looking like he's going to work out and he is young and fast and really if you want to look at the Frederick thing you signed Frederick for that long-term deal and got rid of Fogel where you could have signed Fogel for a year or two for similar money and you would have had an out after two years and a guy that does probably more than well yeah would Frederick could have taken a two or three year deal yeah like who was not gonna at Frederick store to give him a six seven eight year deal like seriously who knows you might have to give him more to stay in Mender

Who knows? I'm just saying, but you could assign, like, some of the, some of the decisions, which then takes me to, if you're the GM, if you're the GM right now, okay, you can't, you sit here and cried about the last three years, about all the stupid deals, but now Dustin Newman is the GM of the Emmington owners. So, as this series showed, you've got to, like, you need some speed to go, like, so you've got four main guys, right? You've got dry saddle, McDavid, Hyman, and Nuge up front.

Which are all signed for the next. And do you think Savoy, you could fit into your top six there? Sure. Like you're not getting rid of Savoy. And Paulson. There's your top six. Paulin and Capon. You're keeping. Buck Colson scored 19 this year. Caponinin, you got to sign. He's a UFA. Yeah. And I think you'll be able to sign Caput.

So yeah, there's those seven guys. I think you need more speed on the, on the like the thing is you've got, especially with Hyman and Nuge, they're starting to get a little bit older. You need some speed to go to offset those guys. You know this from playing hockey. If you got a bunch of slow guys, it doesn't work. Now, if you got all fast guys that can't do anything, thing about the puck that also doesn't work but I think you need some speed to go with that because that's the one glaring problem they had there the other problem is you're going so just

to clarify you're going to get a top six ford or you're picking up a couple bottom six fours middle six fords probably I think they if you look at at their lines right now probably a third line center would be good um you don't you don't re-sign dickinson he was okay because you're Henry Henry's like Henry's gone I re-signed Dickinson

I would I think he's legit third line center the problem was he was injured all series right so in your mind you sign back

Dickinson there's your third line what do you do wait a second so dust did you finish I pick up some young fast forwards essentially is what I do

so you're going young and and Crawford had just said you got a couple guys sitting in the HL maybe you're giving them shots sure I think you got to get

so you're roughly rolling back a similar team Yeah, defense, I probably wouldn't change too much there. I think it would be tough to change too much there. The UFA you have on the defense is Connor Murphy. That's it. Sure.

And then everybody else assigned for an extra year. And then I'd still look for a goaltender. James? Because I think it has been a problem. I would, I would, I would, my first meetings would be with McDavid and Drysidal. Ask them how they think the year, went, congratulate McDavid on another scoring title, and I'd tell him the story about Scottie Bowman and Eiserman.

Just me and McDavid. And I'd say, where are we at? You know, how are we going to, no, but this is a conversation I'd have with him. Where are we at? At what point do we bring in a guy who teaches us, who buys it, get everybody to buy in lockdown defense, and your point totals are going to go from 130 down to 95? When you're ready for that, you let me know, and we're going to go win a cup because that's what I'm going to do.

That's my first change, is the coach. coach. So I actually agree with that. On the coaching side, if you look at his current coach was his junior coach. Yeah. And they brought him in, I think, because McDavid was comfortable with him. Right. And I think the problem you run into sometimes with these athletes, you're like, I'm going to defer to my best player and make him feel comfortable instead of finding the best coach I can. Well, and I'm going to push. McDavid's older now. So I'm going to push on him and talk to him because if he says no no i want to talk to both of them at the same time no it's individually individually and then and then and then if i have buy-in with that that's the first thing

i'm changing because then i'm going to bring in the coach and me and him are going to sit down and go okay you know let's just pick on somehow Tampa Bay loses john cooper because that'd be the guy picked up but who else is out there that's kind of a top-end coach i don't know if he's the top-end but who's the guy who just left the islanders who do they can there patrick waugh Oh, okay, that's not the guy. Sorry, because they put in, who did they sign? Who's the guy, who's the guy that's coach in Vegas? They used to coach the Bruins, Bruce Cassidy.

Bruce Cassidy. All right, so let's just pick on Bruce Cassidy for a sec. So let's say we bring in Bruce Cassidy. He's won championships with the Bruins. He's coached star players, but he's had buy-in because the Bruins were nasty and they played defense. Correct? They were a big, right? But yes.

Okay, so we bring Bruce Cassidy, and just for arguments, welcome Bruce, congratulations. So my first thing is I'd sit down with him. Obviously the rest, you know, my assistant GM or whatever and have three or four head scout, three or four or five of us in the room and go, okay, where are we at with the lineup? I'm a big believer. You get everybody's opinions. I might be making the decision at the end. But let's see where, you know, Bruce, this is the lineup in giving you right now. Do you want to resign Connor Murphy? Do we want to free up cast space by trading a darn L nurse? You know, what do you think of Frederick? Can you get more out of him? I would instead of just going to just go and, out and, you know, here's the kids we have in the farm. What kind of team do we, like, we're close. Let's all admit right now. We are a player or two or a coach away from being able to, where do you think of Ingram and Jari? You know, and then that's the direction I would go. If he says, Jay, honestly, I just don't see us winning a cup with them goalies, then that's the number one priority. If he comes and says, you know what, I think I can get these guys to play in defense, but I need a couple faster forwards, or I need a, I need a couple more bigger shutdown defensemen

or whatever it is. Is that cold now? You know, what is the problems? The other thing that got mentioned on Hockey Night in Canada last night was getting Dry Settling McDavid to beach somewhere for a month and just giving them a break. How much of this series? How much of this series is they played four nations, well, not Dry Settle, but, but McDavid, Four Nations Cup, Olympics, and two Stanley Cup finals.

They've played more hockey than anyone in the NHL. Except for many of the noon hour boys, but go on. Yeah. Well, I mean, you think about it and you go, they look tired. They came in the series. McDavid didn't look himself. Drysiddle came off injury. Hyman came off injury.

I mean, Dickinson, sorry, left game, didn't come back for game two, so he was an injury. You go like, they're banged up. They were just banged up, and they looked it. So time off is going to help. Everybody's going to be trying to solve the problem today. you know. It's probably well,

the nice thing how do you hit the ground running next year so where you're a world beater. And I agree. And I guess

sitting here without, you know, I just went through what my strategy would be, but sitting here right now, I go, could I see winning

a Stanley Cup with the four group they have? Yes. Could I see winning a Stanley Cup with the defense group they have?

Yes. Well, they, I could. Yes. If they came back with the exact same lineup, I could see

that six defensemen being part of a Stanley Cup championship team. Can I see them winning in the cup with the goaltending have. No. I don't. I don't see any. This is I always go back to because

it's like, oh, the goaltending is okay or whatever. It's like, name one team that made the Stanley Cup playoffs this year that would trade starting goalies with the Oilers. There's not one. Okay. So if I sit here, I like Knoblock. I do. I was against it when he came in, that I liked him when he was in. And the only thing that didn't make sense to me, there's probably lost. The defense room and the puck just bugged me. I just didn't understand why they couldn't make a change on that. But Jury, nobody wanted Jury to start the series. Then he brings him in game four, and I don't know about anybody else. I was sitting there going, oh my goodness. And then he played out of his freaking mind. And so you go, well, he's starting game five. And then he put Ingram back in

and said he's been a guy all year, which isn't true. It isn't true. Ingram wasn't the guy. They were going back and forth and Ingram looked. At the end of the year, Ingram was their guy. But who's signed for the next two years? Ingram. Jari. Jari. Jari is. So you got to walk back into the room after you pulled them in the playoffs.

So I go, I don't think coaching, I don't know, I don't know, maybe a coaching change is the right move. But that's tough because how do you get buying from Jari who's been kind of all over the place? And then he plays out of his mind and you don't start him from round again. I think your nets are a mess. Yeah. And you're a number one guy in the minor. League is a 30-some-year-old guy that's not going to be your starter. It's an absolute disaster.

Whereas if you look at Montreal, for example, and Montenboe took a step back this year, but you got Dobas who's young, who's coming, who took the reins, and your number one guy in the farm is a young guy that you think's going to be number one down the road. Can we just give a little bit of a shout out to Martin St. Louis at this point? Like, I wasn't sure when he started coaching. I'm like a player to a coach. Sometimes it doesn't work.

Sometimes it does. He's been really, like, I've been impressed with Montreal. Every time I watch him, I'm like, he's got these guys playing really well. And coaching in the NHL or coaching hockey in general is so different than lots of other sports. If you look at baseball, um, it's very methodical. It's very methodical, very slow. And you have a lot of control as a coach because, oh, you're going to put this picture in that, you know. Even football is play by play.

That's right. Hockey's such a different sport because when it comes to the control the coach has, it's a, like there is some X's and O's yes. But it's such free flowing play. that it's not like you say, okay, go here now, then do this, then do that. Like you can't do the whole game because there's so much chaos and so much going on.

At the same time, if the coach can get everyone pulled together and playing as a team, and I look at Quinville being one, and Martin St. Louis, as number two, of coaches that have, the players playing better than what you would expect, just by playing together as a team.

St. Louis being a skilled guy, doesn't fit the mold because it's usually the fourth line tough guy who becomes or the big defenseman who played a role play or you know who steps into a coaching role and just gets it usually they can't and st louis breaks that mold yeah when i see a team any team doesn't matter giving up odd man rushes in the playoffs like the olders do it tells me there's no buy-in you want you want to win the first thing you do limit your penalties and finish your checks and no odd man rushes if you're if you're If you're only giving the other team a power play once or twice a game and you don't give up any odd man rushes, you'll be surprised at how few goals you give up.

So what's funny about that is because it's the same coach as the last, what, two years? And then went to the Stanley Cup finals, two years in a lost in game seven, lost in game six. Is that just because the talent they had on the top end that just dragged them? No, no, because last year against Dallas, I'm telling you, I was when you had echo him out, right? So you're like, man, we're already down. And Bush played out of his mind. I thought nurse played good. And what they did is they controlled the play.

They just controlled the play. And they tried doing the controlled play. But I found, was it the speed of Anaheim? Probably. They were constantly doing the behind-the-net little chip. And I mean, if you don't adjust your game, then they just press harder and they're chasing you down. And they got speed to get back. Like how many odd man rushes were the Oilers getting this series?

They looked tired. They like beat up. And the Oilers defense, I don't know, did they spring McDadellors? Drysidal, Hyman, Nugent Hopkins, I don't know, list off 10 more players for a breakaway or a two-on-one because of a beautiful pass. I started to see glimpses of it last night. I started to see Drysidel and McDavid looking more like themselves. But like they just, it was this chess game where they thought, well, we'll just wait and

we'll get our chance. And Anaheim was just all over them. It just, I don't know. You know, just to throw in something different here, but it irks me so much. right now. So these guys are signed at 8, 10, 12 million dollars. Soon as they're knocked out of the playoffs if they don't win the cup, the social media and the media is

oh, are they going to trade? Is he going to ask for a trade? Because he didn't win the cup. You're like, really? Like, Brady Kachuk said today, like it's just like there's so much of it. Like what makes anybody think that Brady Kachuk's leaving this year because his brother plays in Florida

or his dad played in St. Louis? Like these guys signed contracts. They're the Most of the players, there's no 100% rule, most of the players are locked in. This is my team. Brady Kachukes is the captain of the Ottawa Senators. And everybody's like, oh, yeah, he's leaving. I'm not saying I know maybe he is, but it just, it feels like that's, everybody just jumps on the boat all the time.

What do we always say when you get drafted by a team, you're loyal to that team until they do something and then it becomes a business. Right. So trade, they don't sign you. Yeah. You know, Ottinger last year in the playoffs, we're like, holy crap, can't believe they yanked him. Where's the coach go? gone because Onger is he's a Dallas star and he's

locked in Dallas. So you look at McDavid dry sell, everybody's going to be as McDavid leaving? He's signed for another two years and he took a discount. He wants to be here. He wants to win it because it's his reputation. It's his legacy. To win a cup with the Oilers where the greatest player

of the world played, that's his legacy. That's what he wants to do. He's probably at the point right now where like he looks at the best players in the game who've ever played and he's getting mentioned in the same sentence, the difference between him and all those better players is cups. And so that's all he wants. So why do he take the cut? Probably did it so that he could win a hundred percent. He did it so they can fill around him. So he isn't, you know, because he.

And so, yeah, I mean, okay, we've talked about it. We beat the oilers to it. Okay, let's look at a couple of other things. Okay, so the kids were asking me this morning now that they're out there, oilers are out there bummed. Like, so who are we rooting for? I just started chuckling. I'm like, okay, who are you rooting for now that the oilers are up? I'm rooting for the buffalo. The city has never won a championship as far as to my knowledge. If someone out there in the listening audience knows different, let Sean know on his text or X or whatever the heck you use. So I'm going to pick a team that probably is going to be out tonight, Utah.

I'd love to see them make a pass the first round because they're, they're fun to watch. Now, do I think they got the talent to go far? No, but they're fun to watch. They love to see them. They remind you of the Seattle Cracken when they knocked off Colorado. but they have a bit more talented players than the Cracken did. So I think they can get by Vegas.

They've been right there, lost, what, two in overtime now? Yep. And you go, if they get by them, they get Anaheim ducks. I think they can beat the ducks. So I'll say this. I've become a fan of Anaheim after watching them play Hamilton. So I'll cheer for Anaheim. All right.

So there you go. Anaheim and Buffalo. Okay. Carolina swept Ottawa, Swept L.A. If you're, let's put on her GM hats, okay? If you're Ottawa, are you trading the captain? Maybe you're not trading the captain.

What are you doing? So if I'm Ottawa, I'm rolling at that back. I feel like Ottawa had a season where Allmark was out for a while, Kachuk was hurt, different people were hurt, Sanderson was hurt, Shebow was hurt at times. I'd like to see that team if they could just get healthy. You know, it might be a piece or two where you're adding, but like they're pretty deep.

Their top nine forwards is pretty deep. I don't know what happens with Claujaureau. I don't know if he's got another year left in him or not or if we're looking at someone taking that spot. But they're pretty deep. I just, I don't think I would overreact. Like,

I felt like the oilers overreacted back in 2016 where Everleigh didn't have a point gone, right? And they, they're just overreacted. You know, McLeod didn't score in the finals gone, right? Like, I would roll most of it back. I'm not saying there's not a couple of adjustments,

but I would keep it. Ottawa's defense scores really good and young. Yeah. And their forward core is actually pretty good and young, outside of Drew for the most part. Yeah. So I'd roll it back almost entirely. You tweak, of course, because you always do, but you're all back down team. I think we all agree because I don't.

Now you look at the L.A. Kings. Copatar retires. So then your main guys. Has Pinarans signed a two-year deal or something, didn't he? Two or three-year deal. He's around for a couple years. L.A.'s got a different problem in that, like, you look at their main guys right now, and they got the same problem as Pittsburgh.

essentially where they've got a bunch of older guys. Copatar is obviously retiring. Dowdy's got to be getting close. And you're going to have to redefine that team again. Panarin's on the books for two more years. Copatar retires and their big names are like Scott Lotton and Matthew Joseph, Jeff Malott. Those are their upcoming three of them even goal and just take a brother. Douty's got one year left.

You're going to probably try and start building that team around Panette. Aaron and Kempay in the short term. Well, Bifield. Well, Bifield, for sure. Bifield's your young guy kind of like that, and Brant Clark on the back end, the problem they're going to have, if you look at L.A., like Copartar is a huge hole.

And again, we talk about where everybody settles in. Is Bifield ready to be a number one center? And even if he is, who's the number two center, to protect Bifield, because even if Bifield's ready to be number one center, he is now going to face other teams, top players every game. And so, yeah, you got two good wingers in Kempi and Panera.

that maybe help your power play, but they're going to lack down the middle. Dowdy's getting older on the back end. Their back end, to me, seems, you know, they're good defensively, but they're having trouble getting the Ford's freed up to score goals, and I think there's a lot of work in L.A. Yes.

And I don't know if I would go in where we're going to just run it back another year. I think you're starting to look at what's out there for traits, what's out there for signings, but be really smart about it. We're not bringing in Jeff Skinner. You know, who's out there? there that can really, maybe I can find someone to really plunk in that number two. The question with LA is how long is the low going to last?

And it really comes down to GMing and how they can turn around that team. Because they're going to go through a couple years here, I think, where they're going to struggle. Well, can you not see if Kemper is past his prime? So now they don't really have a number one goalie. Dowdy is at the end of his career. They really don't have a number one defenseman. Brant Clark's a nice power play guy, but he's not a number one defenseman.

Now you've lost your number one center. Like this is a team, everybody talked about Pittsburgh last year. I could see L.A. all of a sudden, next year and the year after, all of a sudden, everybody's going, what has happened? Like, they're just felt part. Well, they've become San Jose or Anaheim for the last five years, right? That's what I mean. Like, how long does the low last?

Because it's going to take a while. So then you move on, the wild, not upset. I mean, it's kind of an upset, but not really. That was a Pickham series. That was a great series. Yeah, it was. But Dallas knocked out. Yeah.

So you look at Dallas. I don't think I'd change. much and to I'm almost that team back. Here's my problem with Dallas is it feels like for the last three or four years going, I run it back, run it back, run it back. And now they got booted out in the first round. Yeah, and they played a great Minnesota team. Guess what, guys?

Next year, you're still going to be in the same division as Minnesota and Colorado. And if Winnipeg gets better, like, it's not getting easier. And Chicago's picking up Bedard. So the one thing I would look at if I'm the Dallas GM. I'm locked in at net, which is great. I got Heskin and Harley locking in on my defense, which is great. I might, you know, they talked about, they picked up Myers, older guy, didn't work out.

They got Lunkwist there as a younger guy. Maybe keep maneuvering that. I think I'd start to maneuver some of the old guys out. Oh, sure. You know, like, is it time for a bit of a revamp with Jamie Ben, Tyler Sagan, Matt Dushan. Well, some of those guys. To be fair, Dushan led the team in playoff scoring. But at some point, we've been beaten the second, third round, second round, now first

around at some point you got to change something don't you but but dallas has done a brilliant job of retooling on the fly because that team was was centered around say again and ben for a long time yes and you look now that team is centered around like jason robertson white johnston isn't robertson an rf a right now oh it might be let me find out but if you look they've actually retooled on the fly where they're still competitive and like you don't get rid of those young guys that you're high skin and your your harley you build around them on defense you got to the the goaltender, you got some top end forwards. Does Ben fall off to where he maybe and say again where they don't even make the team next year again? Robertson's an RFA. So Robertsons are the big

guy they get a look at signing. You got rant in there, remember? Jamie Ben's contract is up this year. Well, and I just wonder, I know this sounds, you know, sometimes everybody goes, oh, one more year and he can fit on the fourth line. But sometimes when you let a guy like Ben, like this is a team that's not winning anymore. They're doing well in the regular season. They can't seem to get through in the playoffs every if you let sagan and ben and some of them guys start to walk you trade them away you have to you you fill their roles yes now it's hard to fill ratnin's role or jason robinson's role but it's maybe not as hard to fill a jamy ben role and then also that leadership shifts maybe Wyatt johnson and ratin and they have to step up right yeah fair enough and it just has that shit what i mean is

like letting some of the older guys go like yeah but you're not blowing up Wyatt johnston or no no i mean you're You're centering around all the young guys, but maybe it's time to just change. Maybe we're going to get, for example, if I'm Dallas, maybe I'm letting Ben and Segan and Dushan and some of them guys go. And maybe I'm picking up a couple of guys that make us a little younger and faster and a little tougher to play against. He still got a year on Tyler, say again, at 9.8 million. Yeah, you might even buy him out. Yeah, it's one year. It's one year.

But like I said, Dallas has actually done a really good job of retooling over the last. like can i say can i say with dallas is there a problem sometimes with these older guys that if everybody was in the lineup healthy they'd be a world beater the problem has been the last two or three years it's they can never seem to get everybody in the lineup healthy yeah but that's a hockey team in general it's very rare that you go into the playoffs where everybody's 100% healthy true what happens every time you got a bunch of guys that are injured after the playoffs end and yeah but did anaheim have a bunch of guys injured so hey hey sometimes the stars on line and your team's healthy. But that doesn't happen every year. I'm just saying I think with

Dallas's age that it's happening more than with a team like Anaheim because of that age. Okay, let's switch to Philly not upsets Pittsburgh. I think, you know, a lot of people have taken Pittsburgh to. I don't think that's a big upset. No, no, no. It's probably another coin flip, but the way they did it. Yeah, fair enough. You know, everybody I think was pulling for Crosby and the boys. So I thought they played well in game six enough to, I mean, their goalie played out of his mind, right? And you're hoping for a game seven. The penguins remind me a lot of the LA Kings, right? Well, obviously, the Kings won all their cups with those guys. The Penguins won all their cups with these guys. Evgeny Malkin, UFA. Crosby's got a year left. I believe,

if memory serves me, correct, La Tang, oh no, LaTang's got two years left. Are you bringing them back one more time? I think I'd let some of them go. I'd keep Crosby for sure because he's going to be your centerpiece for your team. that team's got to get younger. Like even, they got to get younger in general. The whole team, their top players,

all of them are, and you watch their power play, and it's slow and methodical. And it's great, like great, you got this puck control, you're talking to, you're talking to defensemen,

Eric Carlson, Chris Latang, right? So the question is, is can you do this on the fly is what you're saying? The one problem the penguins have is they haven't had

a lot of young draft picks come up to really replenish the ranks. Kindle did, right? Kindle played last year they got drafted him, And he ended up being their third line center, which is great for them. But there hasn't been that replenishment. And that's, I think, what they're struggling with.

What about Gensel? Yeah. They let him go, right? Like, he was a younger guy who's now in his prime, and you just let him walk, right? Like, you're holding on to all these older guys. And I think it's like a band-a-a-a-and-a-like, we know is- When do you rip the band-aid off? Because it's going to be ugly for a line in Pittsburgh. So once you do it, like, if you don't re-sign Malkin and let's say you trade away Latang,

just for arguments. Yeah. Then the band-aids ripped off. Your fan base, like everybody knows. They've been putting it off for... You know, right now, everybody, you get the, you know, the diehard Pittsburgh guys are still saying, yeah, we probably won't, but you never, can they run it back one more time, right?

You ripped that band-aid off, everybody knows. I think this was the year they thought, maybe we could run it back one more time. And then they played the young Philadelphia Flyers, and they were miserable on Pittsburgh, right? They had... This might change the psyche of the Pittsburgh fan. especially being Philadelphia, the greatest rival,

where Philadelphia came with a young team and ran their show. Well, and I'm a believer that when you're at the very top, you can make a trade or sign a free agent that can make a difference. When you're in this position like Pittsburgh or L.A., you kind of, can you, if you're lucky a little bit or do a really good job, maybe you can make that shift without really losing lost base. But you're not going to replace Kopitar or Crosby without a top three draft picks.

Like that, them guys just don't come along. You don't replace Crosby's somebody else. And so that whole generation just changes. You're talking about generational players. They are. And so that's where Pittsburgh's at. That's what's helped Pittsburgh together for so long. Do you see if they don't hire, you know, we've been floating this around the other day at the draft, I think.

If Melkin doesn't get signed, do you see Ovetch can play one more year and all of a sudden Melkin slides over to Washington or is he just done? You know, I don't know if any of us really know with Melkin if he's just done or he's always had a, you know, can Florida convince him to come play? there for a year on the wing where he's playing with Barkoff. Like there's different guys. We throw out of Vetchkin because it sounds cool, but can Colorado convince him to come and play on the wing on McClendon's line or on the second line? Like,

does Malkin have the drive to go win a cup somewhere else to just say, or after three cups? And, you know, a lifetime has a Pittsburgh paying when he hangs it up and has his journey retired. And I think if you're Malkin, you hold the cards in your hand because if you're cheap enough, somebody would,

So then do you want to go and take a real run at the cup with four or five select teams where you can go play in the top six? I'm trying to remember a team that was this much of a band, like, ripped a Band-Aid off team. Like you look at Pittsburgh, their power play has four guys on at 35 plus. Yeah. Well, you know what the funny thing was? Like, when's the last team where your top players were like four of them were all 35? I can't remember a team. Detroit, maybe back in the day.

Yeah, probably Detroit towards the end. They had some of the Russians there. You know what's funny is I can remember at the start of the year, and Pittsburgh was the lowest rated team at everybody in the league. Like everybody, if they had to pick one team that was going to have to dismantle and start over and be at the bottom and get first round picks was Pittsburgh. And then they put this run together, but it feels like, okay, the run's over. Pittsburgh's now at the bottom.

Yeah. But everyone can, you can see it coming. It's this slow motion and they haven't done it yet. Well, there's be such a good player. he's able to just hold it. Hold it together. Remember when, okay, so this reminds me, remember when the Oilers traded Ryan Smith?

Yes, to the Outer's. That's right. And you go, well, one player can't hold the team together. Do you remember what happened to that oiler team after they traded Ryan Smith? They went on the worst run, like they were two and 17 or something after they traded Ryan Smith.

It was like Ryan Smith was the glue that held the team together. And as soon as Crosby's gone from that team, it's all going to just self-destruck in a double. day yeah in a day yeah funny enough that right after they trade ryan smith the islanders the oilers went on that huge like they couldn't win a game at all the rest of the season until the last game of the year they won the last game of the year so they ended up getting fifth instead

of the top overall pick because chicago won the lottery that year and finished a point ahead of them and chicago picked up cane and the oilers picked up leon dry so no no this is way back in the way back in the day I probably don't even remember who the guy is now. Who would they pick up a fifth overall? Patrick Kane's line mate. A Puyot. No.

Sam Gagne. Sam Gagne. Sixth overall. Sixth overall. Sixth overall. So that was the year, the last game of the season. If they would have lost that game, they would have been in Chicago's spot. They would have flip-flop spots.

Chicago ended up winning the draft picking Patrick Kane. The others ended up getting sick. Picked up his linemate, Sam Gagne. Just an interesting fact. If you're Sidney Crosby, one year left on your contract, Melkin doesn't resign, they trade Latang. Are you staying with Pittsburgh for your legacy, or are you asking if you can get traded to go take a run out of the cup with Colorado?

Sean. Well, you know how good a friend he is with McKinnon, right? And you go, Crosby reminds me, for lack of a better example, he reminds me at Tom Brady. Like he wants to play until he's 44. And everybody in's like, oh, Brady's a page. rate until the day he dies until he wasn't and um hockey's a touch different than football and so all the greats um you know like my favorite steve eisenman he never went anywhere right and i know grexie did but

not by his choice and for a lot of the greats they they have lemieux didn't go anywhere they have it thrust upon them for crosbie if he wants to play until he's 40 40 yeah 42 right do you want to live it out in a bottom-feeding Pittsburgh team where you can't, he's not the guy he was 10 years ago. Yeah, man, if I'm going to keep playing, I'm still getting my jersey retired in Pittsburgh, no matter what I do. And I think everybody respect him if he just said,

you know what, I want to try and go win one more. And I think all the Pittsburgh fans, I think if I was a Pittsburgh fan, but like, yeah, and I think the league would think that's great to see Crosby go and play second, third line, somewhere else behind, you know, and Nate McKinnon, and then he's on the power play with him. That's, to me, that makes sense.

So if I'm Crosby and. You're going to Colorado. I'm going to Colorado. This is what I think happens is I do think this is the year where Malcolm goes somewhere else. Maybe they trade Littang. And what ends up happening is because those guys have played together for 20 years, is this is what's going to happen. It's probably going in the season, Crosby's going, no, I'm staying at Pittsburgh

paying the rest of my life. And he gets about halfway through the season and he realized the era is over. and that the guys that he showed up to the rink with forever are no longer there. Even if Melkin just retired, it would start to happen in front of him. And at that point you go, okay, like... What do I want to do? There's no sense me being here anymore. I can't, you know, this team needs a rebuild, and I'm not going to stop it from happening.

So he either has to retire or he has to move on. And I think, because of who Crosby is, I think he probably ends up moving on. Well, he reminds me of Tom Brady, doesn't he? He just wants to keep playing. I don't think anyone is going to begrudge him from the fans or whatever. So if you're him, where do you go? Well, you probably, like Sean said, you're a really good buddies with McKinnon in Colorado and they're a really good team. Would you go somewhere like that?

Sure. Is there somewhere else, you know, is he good enough buddies with, I don't know, Connor McDavid or whatever from the Olympic team? I don't know. Like, is there somewhere else? I don't think you're going to a bottom team. You know where the other team that I think has a wild card chance at him is Montreal Canadians. Grew up in Nova Scotia. Montreal, there'll be a lot of Montreal fans there,

so he probably grew up around him, whether he was one growing up or not, I don't know. They're an up-and-coming team on the rise like that. Could really use a second-line center. You got Marty St. Louis as a coach who's a very well-respected guy. And I tend to agree with both of you. I just think I could see where he starts the season with Pittsburgh and at the trade deadline he gets traded.

Because it's his last year of his deal. He then could decide to come back to Pittsburgh, decides a free agent, plus he can go anywhere, and they trade him. Now, Colorado's the obvious choice, wouldn't it be cool to see Crosby and Montreal for a big playoff run? Now, here's something else for Crosby, too, at the trade deadline is he's actually giving back to Pittsburgh at that point by saying go ahead and trade me. That's right, because he's going to still generate a first round pick for a longer. And so they actually get something out of it to real.

A young guy in a first. Like, if you're Montreal and I get a chance to get Crosby and I'm going to take a run at it, am I trading a guy like Oliver Cappenden, for example, or maybe a defenseman like Caden Gully? Are you training a first round pick and a guy like Gully or, or, or, or. or a guy like Oliver Capton who's, who's there, you know, because Crosby's going to come in and play second line center. So maybe Cappin goes the other way because I don't need them as my second line center and in a first round pick for him, right? Well, in order to get Latang or Crosby to go anywhere,

they'd have to waive their no movement clause. Yeah, fair. We're talking Crosby's decision for sure. Yeah, yeah. Well, and there's no way Pittsburgh's trading Crosby without his, no, okay, he's been around too long. Before we get into predictions, I'll hit on the final two series. We've been talking off and on about these two teams,

but the HABs and Sabres are up in their series 3-2 game 6s go tonight. I don't know if you just want overall comment. I was kind of curious, though, who surprises you more? The HABs being up on the Lightning or the Sabres, you know, we talked about it at our drafts where, you know, the Sabres, they finally get in, they're just going to lose the first round because the big deal was getting in. And I haven't seen that from the Sabres,

albeit I was hoping they were going to win game five and then they lose. And now it's game six. the pressure goes up just a touch because if you lose that now you know you got to go home for game seven so i picked boston to win that series not because i didn't think it was going to be close i thought it was going to be close and buffalo's played better than i thought they would um but it's a close series and in the and i think buffalo probably win that one doesn't really surprise me because i thought it was close to a pickum the one that actually surprised me is is Tampa bay and montreal and the reason why it's surprising me is because I thought

Montreal wasn't ready yet and I thought Tampa Bay was the better team and what I've watched so far is Montreal is the better team and I think Montreal is going to win and it's going to completely screw my draft but who's a goalie for Montreal, Dobis. Yeah, he has played unreal. Yep. I think I agree with, I think the Tampa Bay, not

not that I'm shocked that Montreal is doing as well as they have. Tampa Bay has some real pieces there and again they have one of the top three players scores anyways in the league. They're missing headman, which hurts, but you just felt like they were going to find a way to get through Montreal, especially this year where everything's kind of wide open. Now it's even more wide open.

So your two finalists from the last two years are out. Dallas is out. It's pretty wide open. The other series that it's at three to two is Vegas, Utah. I don't know if I want to say I'm surprised Vegas is up three, too, because they're the veteran team and Utah's a young guys. It's been a good series. And I don't think...

Utah's pushed... I think if I had to pick out of the three series, I think if I had to put my $5 on a team, it'd be Buffalo. I think Buffalo's going to win that series. I struggle to see Boston winning two more. I can see Tampa Bay winning game six and anything can happen in game seven, and I can see Utah winning game six

and anything happening in game seven. Well, then let's finish here. Let's do predictions. You got three game sixes tonight. Right? You got Sabers. going into Boston, you got the Canadians at home tonight, and then you got Vegas going into Utah tonight, right?

Correct. So we'll start with, well, there's three series, so we each get to pick the first and now that you guys can follow. So we'll start with Sabres going into Boston night. Jay, we'll start with you. Sabers going into Boston tonight in Boston. In Boston. I think Buffalo wins. Dust?

Yeah. I can't agree with Jay. I'll go Boston for the win. I think Buffalo wins game seven. And I think Buffalo is going to pull it off. That's what I think. Okay, Dust, you got the Canadians leading the lightning, game six in Montreal. I got to go with Tampa because my whole draft depends on it.

His whole brain is stuck. I can't go against them now. I'm going to take Montreal at home. Boy, that's a tough one. Because if it was in Tampa, I'd for sure. Yeah, no doubt. Going into Montreal is tough. Like Montreal, boy, would that city be rocking if Montreal could squeak out like last minute goal in the third to win four, three or an overtime goal?

So I'm going to pick Montreal. And then we come to Vegas Leeds, Utah, and I'm going to take Utah at home. I don't know if they can get it done in game seven, but as we keep saying, anything can happen in game seven. I think Utah finds a way. I'm going to go Utah as well. I'm hoping for a couple game sevens here, three of them, I guess. I like Utah a lot. I don't think they're winning the series, but I like them.

Well, I haven't picked the game seven yet, and I think Utah's do. You can't pick three the same as Sean, though. Am I? Well, but... No, we can have a tiebreaker. Okay, we'll have a tiebreaker because I am going Utah. They've been there last two games in the lead, in the third, and let it slip to Vegas. Well, I mean, last night with what, what, a minute left?

Was it even a minute left? Yeah. And you know what's funny? We talk about the older so much in the goaltending, and I agree with you. you probably wouldn't trade for anybody else's the starter. But everybody loves Vegmelka with Utah, but I go, you know, he's giving up a lot of goals.

So what's our tiebreaker? I don't know. The score in the Utah Tampa game? Total. The Utah Tampa game. Well, in game seven in the finals, the Utah Tampa game, you mean the Utah Vegas game?

Yes. Okay, score in game six. Game six. combined. How many goals? We already know who the winner is. Eight. Eight for three. You're going over or under, Sean. I'm going seven.

All right. Gentlemen, thanks for hopping in and doing this. As everybody knows, we do the Brothers Roundtable once a week during the playoffs. And while you get all your sports insight from us, yeah, who is. But thanks, gentlemen.