Shaun Newman Podcast - #1049 - Peter Kirby

Episode Date: May 7, 2026

Peter A. Kirby is a world-renowned independent researcher, investigative author, and activist specializing in deep dives into suppressed and controversial subjects. His groundbreaking work on geoengineering and weather modification has earned him international recognition. Peter is the author of "Chemtrails Exposed: A New Manhattan Project", widely regarded as the most comprehensive book on the subject. He hosts The Abstract on Rumble and provides sharp social commentary on TruthSocial. His research has been translated into every major language and featured across major alternative media platforms.Watch the Cornerstone Forum 26’https://shaunnewmanpodcast.substack.com/Silver Gold Bull Links:Website: https://silvergoldbull.ca/Email: [e-mail] Grahame: [phone]Bow Valley Credit UnionBitcoin: www.bowvalleycu.com/en/personal/investing-wealth/bitcoin-gatewayEmail: [e-mail] Get your voice heard: Text Shaun 587-217-8500

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X, Facebook, Substack, make sure to subscribe, make sure to leave a review. Make sure to scroll to the top, give the show a rate. And if you really enjoy an episode, you know, it's like, holy crap, that was good. Share it with a friend, all right? Now, let's get on to that tale of the tape. Today's guest is an independent researcher, an author of Chemtrails Exposed, a new Manhattan project. I'm talking about Peter Kirby. So buckle up. Here we go. Welcome to the Sean Newman podcast. Today I'm joined by Peter Kirby. Peter, thanks for hopping on. Oh, thanks for having me, Sean. Now, you've got to tell me a little bit about yourself before we get into the topic of the day. Just walk me through a bit about yourself. Yeah, I'm just a guy who had a pretty cultured background.

You know, like the way I like to say it is that I've seen everything from the bottom to the top and everything in between from driving a cab and just living in a very cosmopolitan city and was born in the city of San Francisco. And, you know, I grew up on the nasty side of town. When people hear the city of San Francisco, of course, they think of, you know, liberals drinking champagne and eating caviar in some hotel, you know, some guy playing piano in the background and stuff. I mean, you know, that that did exist. I didn't see much of it, especially not growing up. I mean, now and then, you know, it's just like something that's there, but it wasn't my focus. My focus was catching the next bus. You know what I mean? Like I knew those people. I had connections to to those people. And, you know, sometimes I would be a part of that

scene. But most of most of my life, the vast majority of my life was like, you know, just being exposed to every kind of person. I drove a cab in the city of San Francisco for 20 years. Took the bus. I've taken so many buses. If I never have to take another bus again, it'll be too soon. You know what I mean? And through the bad parts of town because I grew up in Brisbane, which borders San Francisco to the southeast. And the southeast quarter of San Francisco is the area where tourists never go. And for good reason. So, you know, there's that. And then, you know, I just realized that one day that we were being sprayed.

And there's a whole story behind that I've told many times. But, you know, it was just present. I just, I've started falling down the rabbit hole. And chemtrails was one of these conspiracies that I saw and I didn't believe it. But then I looked, but, you know, they said that we're being sprayed. So they said that there's, you know, it's particulate matter coming out of planes and look up, you know, look for it because I had never seen it before. And then one day, you know, and so, but I'm living in San Francisco and, you know, there's a lot of cloud cover and stuff. So it's hard to just, you know, see these things because there's clouds in the way.

But I started seeing little pieces of things here and there, you know, and breaks and the cloud cover and on unclear days and things. things. And then one day I saw the huge line, you know, stretching almost from horizon to horizon. And that's when I knew that we were in big trouble. I knew that that was particulate matter. They were going ahead and doing it and no one's talking about it. And, you know, like Catherine Austin Fitz, I said to myself, oh, this is bad. In fact, my thought was, this is satanic. That was my first thought about it. You know, it was horrible. I just started fighting it. If I go, you spent 20 years as a taxi cab driver.

A, that would be an interesting insight into the population as a whole, because all you're dealing with is people over the course of 20 years. I don't know if there's, is there anything there when you're driving cabs for that long that you started, you know, you kind of get a feel of a population and you start to see things change, or is it not that simple? It's not that simple because there was, I mean, you know, I saw things changing in San Francisco for the worst, like all the time. But especially in maybe the first half of watching all this happen, you know, like when the internet boom started in like 1996 and then on through to 2001 when the bubble burst and all that. you know, I was saying to myself, like, or even after that, I was saying to myself, yeah, you know,

people do a lot of stupid things and, you know, there's trends that happen. And, you know, this is, I've seen a lot of trends come and go. San Francisco's a very trendy city. And I thought to myself, you know, it's just, there's just some temporary nonsense, you know, that's going on here. And I didn't really figure, I didn't want to know. I didn't, I wanted to believe that we were going to pull out of this and it was just going to be a temporary kind of thing. You know, my take on it was a bunch of A-Holes from the East Coast came over and just, you know, started making money here. You know what I mean?

Because my line in the driving the cab was, you know, people used to come to San Francisco to have a beautiful experience of life. Now they just come to make money. And that's what happened to San Francisco. And it got consumed by this corporatism. And it has not recovered yet to this day. And, you know, I mean, but even if I. did realize what was going on, you know, so what? Who cares? You know, it would have happened anyway.

I could have, you know, yelled at the top of my voice and gone to every city council meeting and, you know, done everything, last thing that I could to try to stop it. And you know what? It still would have happened. COVID still would have happened. They still would have shut down everything because that was the long-term plan. So, you know, don't blame me for the fall of San Francisco. I'm actually, I actually have a book about it. It's what I call a half-baked manuscript. self-published manuscript. It's not published by Skyhorse, but it's available on my Amazon page. And I do intend to turn it into a Skyhorse book at some point. It's going to take maybe a year or two more of research. I already done a whole lot of research on it. That's why I was able to write the

book. But yeah, I went back and figured out the whole political history of San Francisco. This was after I published what is essentially the book that is available from Skyhorse today, Chemtrails exposed, a new Manhattan project. I self-published this book in a lesser version in 2020. And it was a self-published book. So there's deficiencies inherently in a self-published book. But we really, I went through and did a whole revision of it and spruce it up and everything.

But anyway, I put that first version of what became today's Skyhorse book out in 2020. And at that time, there wasn't a whole lot going on in the chemtrails thing. I had basically solved the entire deal. I did a bunch of follow-up research on it. It took maybe another year, year and a half, something like that from 2020. But, you know, it was just like something that I had figured out already. I had done all the research on it. So what I did was I went and started writing other books.

I went and started writing the fall of San Francisco. And there's also a fictional book that's available on my Amazon page called From the Lakehorn. And so in the meantime, from 2020, up until 2024, I wrote a couple of other books that had nothing to do with chemtrails, but I needed to write these books. These are all very personal things to me. You know, these are all personal journeys of discovery. The subtext in this book, let's, you know, we might as well start steering it towards this. The subtext of this book is a journey of personal discovery. Not many people realize that.

I don't know if anybody does. I told somebody about it online, you know, just some comments and things. But, you know, it was, I was, I was unaware of this. Well, actually, I was subconsciously aware of it, just like everyone is, you know, that we have a wicked establishment. But, you know, I was, I was ignorant as to the depths of it. And in the course of writing Chemtrails exposed, that's when I became enlightened. because, you know, the final phases of the research was finally coming to some conclusions as to who was doing this. And that's been the focus of my research since the beginning,

trying to find out who's doing it so we can go after them, right? And when I started realizing who's doing this, well, then the biggest names in wealth and power turn up. You're talking Rockefellers. You're talking Warburgs. I have them in there. You're talking Rothschilds. You're talking and all the United Nations, all the most powerful organizations in the world. And, you know, the evidence indicates that they're up to their eyeballs in this thing, spraying us with tens of thousands of megatons of toxic waste every year. And, you know, that shook something loose in me. You know what I mean?

Where it's like, wow, these people are just pure frickin' evil. I mean, you know, like, what is this? I mean, by this point, people really should be looking at the establishment and saying, Look what they did during COVID. Oh my God. I mean, these people just lied to us straight up. Up one side and down the other. It's all just fraud.

I mean, and these are only the tips of the iceberg. Chemtrails and COVID. You know what I mean? They've been doing stuff like this, just destroying people and destroying people's lives and murdering people by the thousands and hundreds of thousands and millions forever. Forever. I mean, I'm reading William Durantz,

11-volume story of civilization right now. I mean, the savagery of it all is just, it's almost unfathomable. I don't know if you've read world history, but I mean, you know, people just get killed for like nothing. The slightest infraction, they're like running you through. I mean, look at something like the Chinese. I mean, the Chinese, they'll die by the freaking millions, by the hundreds of thousands of millions without question, without question. But, you know, they only do that because Satan is the God of this world. And this was a realization that I came to by, you know, realizing who was behind all this. And they're just lying to us straight up every single day about this. I mean, look at big tech. The moment you mentioned chemtrails this,

that you're getting a community note. These trolls are jumping on you. You're getting shadow banned. I mean, I've been so censored in all this. That's why you couldn't find me. I mean, the big tech and specifically Google has cheated me out of hundreds of thousands of dollars by suppressing this information. And, you know, that may sound kind of callous, you know, always just trying to make money or whatever. Money funds my operation. Money allows me to do things. You know, if I had money throughout this whole thing, I'd be doing a whole lot of other things. You know, I'd be traveling to places and I'd be finding more archival documents and I'd be, you know, going for the juiciest parts of all this. But I'm broke. So I can't do all of this. You know,

This is the plan. You know, it's just taken like way longer than, than I thought it would. You know, I'm not going to get paid from Skyrus to like the end of the year. And I, you know, I have to keep on doing interviews and something has to happen with the interview for that payment to even be like significant. You know what I mean? They are squashing this thing like you wouldn't believe. And I have tons of evidence for all this.

I want to hop back just for a second before we get, because like I told you before we started, you're the first chem trail guy I've had on. So like I want to ask a ton about it. But I am kind of curious. I got a ton of time for the blue collar worker. And I would, I think I put a taxi cab driver firmly in that position. How did you go? Did you, were you always a writer?

Like I look at the book behind your, or the one you held up. And I'm like, that thing looks, you know, it's not like it's 15 pages, like a little white paper. It is, it looks like it's chalk full of. Yeah, like look at the thing, folks. It's got a lot of pictures, though, and there's references in between pages. It actually reads more like a 350-pageer, and the text is large. You can say the text is large. You can say it reads like a 350-pageer.

I'm saying it looks like, and from what I've read on it, that it's well done, right? And I go, were you always a writer, Peter? Like, is this something that, you know, you know, you drive cab during the day or the night, and you'd wake up and you just start scribbling down. notes or is this something you fell into? I've always been an artist. I've always been an artist. And I realized in that journey early on how you get different reactions out of people depending on the slightest details of the things that you, the art that you produce. And isn't that writing? You know what I mean? Like, you know, you're talking about placements of letters,

placements of punctuation, placements of words, placements of paracements. placements of sentences and how it's present, how all these things are presented to the public means everything. You know what I mean? So I've always been an artist and I've always had, I've always had a bent towards media. You know, I was, I was in high school. I was doing a newsletter with my buddy called the Monday morning blues. We only did maybe.

It was like less than 10 additions of it. but, you know, we'd be in the hallway selling them for a dollar apiece on Mondays and stuff. You know, nobody else was doing stuff like that. I really enjoyed my photography classes at the high school I went to. And then I studied radio, television, and film in college and stuff. But that didn't work out. I didn't get into the film school at SF State, but that was no big loss. I know why they didn't do it.

I had a big technical error in my movie. But I wasn't so hot on doing that anyway. But I continued to, you know, just make movies. I just continued to just do it. I continued to just make 8mm and 16 millimeters and videos and all kinds of stuff. So, and then there was actually, I was, I made this one video about the San Francisco taxi cab business. It was a documentary called San Francisco taxi cab, oddly enough. And it was, you know, a history of the business.

It was like 48 minutes. I was selling those out of the cab. You know what I mean? Anytime anybody would ask me any question about the San Francisco taxi cab business, you know, if they're a passenger in the backseat, I'd say, oh, I'd answer their question. And I'd say, and you know what, I made a documentary about all this. This is how I know. And I'd have a little placard, you know, with like an advertisement.

It was like this big. And I would, it was, you know, all laminated and everything. And I would hand it back to them and say, here, take a look. And they'd look it over. And, you know, more than half the time, they would actually buy it. I was selling VHSs for like 10 bucks. I eventually put it on DVD and stuff. But, you know, I've been doing stuff.

like this working in media pretty much my whole life i've always enjoyed drawing and and things like that like drawing i guess is the earliest stuff that i did when i was a kid remember there's one kid in the neighborhood who was really good at drawing so you know we all looked up to him i don't know if you had that same experience you know the kid who was really good at drawing and everyone's like you know trying to draw as well i don't know if you had that when you were a kid but yeah no i've yeah yeah i just just um I don't know, being a creator of things in general comes in many shapes and forms. So I don't remember, say, the kid drawing in particular because I was never a great artist.

Still this day, I'm not. But I've always been fascinated with people who can put down in writing thoughts that are coherent for others to read. Right? Because I've read lots of books. Some of them are fantastic. Some of them are like, oh. It's just frustrating to read, right? And the people who can just make it like coherent, inviting, funny, all the things

while being, you know, I mean, well, that's what the greats do, right? They have this writing style. It's about taking yourself out of it. It's about taking yourself out of it and just being into the thing that you're writing about. I call it writing for the reader. Like, you know, I always put myself in the reader's shoes. like do I want to be if I'm the reader do I want to be hearing this you know like some big preface these are the prefaces are usually the things that I cut out you know like this book is a product

of 10 17 years of research going to blah blah blah it's like I'm really not into introductions in books or prefaces and stuff like that it's just like just get to it you know what I mean people like to tell their whole story in the book you can tell your story in the interviews if your book is any good people will want to interview you know what I mean like Don't bother me with the interview in the book. I'm not interested in you personally yet. You know what I mean? I got to read the book first.

Well, it's funny. On the show, I'm always interested in the person before we get to the subject because I want to hear what motivates you, right? I want to hear who you are. But that being said, I'm getting a feel for who Peter is. Like this book, you said it was finished in 2020, correct? Well, that was the self-published edition. But then, you know, there's lots of stuff that has happened since then.

A lot of really great evidence has come out. And I reworked some portions of it, eliminated a couple chapters and stuff. It's a revised, updated and revised edition from the 2020 book that came out of this book I have behind me. Well, the reason I bring up 2020 is I think, well, heck, we're six years past when you first had yourself published book, right? Now you've revised it. I've had people ask me about chem trails and having. somebody on. I remember having a conversation in, you know, maybe 2022 where we're sitting around a group of us and it got brought up. And one guy's like, I don't start with that. That's a lot of BS.

Meanwhile, we're just escaping all the COVID lockdown mask insanity. And I'm like, really? Wouldn't talk about that. That's interesting. And I've told you I've been searching for somebody to come on and here you are. When you talk about chemtrails, what is it the public? needs to know. Like, what have you uncovered that you try to, you know, A, I would say go buy Chemtrails exposed a new Manhattan project, right? I assume they can find it online to purchase it, Peter. Oh, yeah. It's available on Amazon, Target, Walmart, big retailers like that. There's a little bookstore, although they haven't reciprocated yet, there's a little bookstore that has a web page for it in Santa Barbara called Chaucer's books. I'm trying to find more little bookstores because

people are pretty particular about where they buy their books. But yeah, it's available. So walk me through then, chem trails. Well, you know, a good place to start is looking at the table of contents, right? I mean, that's probably the best place to look, especially when you're looking at a nonfiction book, try to figure out whether or not this guy is on the right track. You know what I mean? Like, does he have chapters about stuff that I want to hear about? Well, here's what we have. The first chapter is my best evidence. It's called Chemtrails exposed. And there's just so much in there.

I have my carb data in there. That was the thing that got me started and all this. The California Air Resources Board data, that's really a lot to go into. But I basically found the state of California recording elevated and rising levels of both aluminum and barium in the ambient atmosphere going up from when the large-scale domestic spraying started in 19, 1996 to 2002 when they stopped sampling for it.

And I found that, yeah. Curious on years, right? 1996, I'm 10 years old. Okay? Why 1996? What starts in 1996? The large-scale domestic spraying operations. We know this from this book named,

it's called Chemtrails Confirmed by William Thomas. He did a whole bunch of good old-fashioned legwork journalism going around, recording these stories of how people just suddenly saw, you know, like 10 or 15 jets just making grid patterns in the sky above them one morning. And they're like, what the heck is this? And, you know, and then also concurrently, though there will be, you know, emergency rooms filling up or emergency waiting rooms filling up with people with all kinds of respiratory illnesses on the days that, you know, these, these spraying operations began because these were what we call first exposures, which are generally the worst.

And so, yeah, we can pin that in 1996, and there's a whole bunch of stuff. Let me just go through that. Here, let's hold on the table of contents, but it's so interesting that these dates, 1996 was exactly 100 years after Savant Arhenius came out with a theory of man-made global warming, which, of course, is the excuse given by these. geoengineers, the excuse given for spraying us. They say global warming is getting real bad. We're going to have to spray you out of planes to reflect the sunlight back into space. That's the thesis. And so I find it very interesting that exactly 100 years later, when the first

paper came out about it, came out like over the Christmas New Year's holiday thing from 1895 to 1896, published by at the time Sweden's most famous scientists, Savant Arhenius. And at first, posited the theory of man-made global warming in a succinct way. There were others that were kind of nibbling at it and stuff, but he finally put it forward and he had like a little modely made up and everything. But anyway, so 100 years later, exactly, they begin the large-scale domestic spraying operations. Not only that, in 1946, exactly 50 years earlier,

there was a series of reports came out from the federal government commonly known as the von karmine reports but officially known as toward new horizons and that that series of reports mandated the creation of a second generation weather modification project employing electromagnetic energy right after world war two in 1946 toward new horizons so then that's nineteen forty six exactly 50 years after that okay that toward new horizons that that was a seminal series of reports that set the Air Force on their way, it told them what they're going to be doing for the next 50 years because of all this science that they captured over Nazi Germany. It's kind of a long story, but that's the fact of the matter, 1946 toward

New Horizons reports mandating the creation of this second generation weather modification program employing electromagnetic energy in 1946. Exactly 50 years later in 1996, The Air Force comes out with another series of reports called Air Force 2025. In that series of reports, you find the document owning the weather in 2025, where they, and throughout not only in that document, but in other documents, they talk about electromagnetic energy being involved in the modification of weather. Exactly 50 years, 1996 after Toward New Horizons came out, Air Force 25 came out, exactly 50 years. And also in 1996 was the year that the large-scale domestic spraying operation started, as we noted. So I find these things, you know, like probably not coincidences.

You know what I mean? Probably not. But that's, you know, that's kind of goes in. I guess I go into some of that. No, actually, I don't go into that. I just go into the carb data and like best evidence, hard scientific evidence, proving that today we're actually being sprayed with tens of thousands of megatons of toxic waste. particulate matter. So I come out guns blazing in the first chapter with all my best evidence.

And believe me, there's a lot more than the carb data in there. Although the carb data is the single best piece of evidence that anybody has ever come up with. I'd just like to get that out there because nobody else is saying that. If nobody else will say it, then I then I guess I have to say it. Can you tell me what carb data? California Resources Board. California Air Resources Board. their their mandate is basically to enforce the theory of man-made global warming but they they were monitoring the ambient atmosphere for toxins i don't know if they still are because you know after i took screenshots of their charts and you know publicized it they took everything down i mean when they should have been ringing every alarm bell when they should have been informing the public

as to this this eminent danger eminent imminent imminent i don't know if it's eminent or imminent Anyway, this huge danger that they should be talking about, what do they do? They cover it up, they sweep it under the rug, and they run away. And then they had some guy calling me, like, trying to feel me out, you know, like, I did something wrong or something. This is government. This is a government, particularly in California. They're just a bunch of gangsters. They don't do what they're supposed to do.

But anyway, there's that. There's all kinds of historical references to creation of second generation weather modification programs using electromagnetic energy and I have a lot of that best evidence in the first chapter. If we go over the years, so back in roughly 1896, forgive me the name, he writes the best case for man-made climate change. And then you go, you know, 50 years and then another 50 years ago, it's probably not coincidence. If I'm learning anything about how the opposing side thinks that isn't coincidence,

They are really keyed into specific dates and times and everything else, right? So I don't think that's any coincidence whatsoever. But if we go back to 1946, you said roughly they were monitoring things over Nazi Germany. What were they monitoring? Oh, that was, well, see, the Toward New Horizons reports, I guess we'll get back to the table of contents, but the toward New Horizons reports were created from something called Operation Alsos, which was an offshoot of the original Manhattan Project. Operation Alsos was about a group of scientists following quickly behind the advancing Americans in Europe

after the Normandy invasion. They would go across Europe and capture new territories, territory and then they would find Nazi science. They would find, you know, like their labs and their facilities. They were building like cutting edge technology and all kinds of stuff. They found all this stuff. They found a lot of scientists. And of course, they took them straight back to America. They took everything back to America. They took all the stuff. They imported all, they secretly imported all the scientists and all that stuff. But yeah, the Toward New Horizons reports were a product of this initial operation Alsos, where they captured. the riches of Nazi science.

And then they boiled all that down into what they can use to go forward making the Air Force better over the next 50 years. They've captured the stuff. They say, we have new technology. We want you to go forward implementing this, building this out, you know, because they showed us a whole bunch of new stuff. That's where the found Carmen reports. So the TOR New Horizon reports came from. So you probably are about to answer this and laugh at me. I look at like, okay, when you talk about going in behind the lines as you capture new territory,

I feel like this is like straight from the game, Red Alert. Sorry, folks, if you don't remember that game. But like, you know, you capture territory and then, you know, you get a new technology to use with your own little military because you've captured theirs and they're teaching you new things. I'm like, oh, that's right out of video games for Pete's sake as I was growing up. Part of that for creating a stronger Air Force makes sense to me. I'm like, oh, that makes sense. Owning even the weather so you can use that on an enemy force actually makes sense.

What doesn't make sense to me is you take all that stuff and then you're like, you know what we should do? We should start spraying our skies. How does that make any sense? Well, I mean, it makes sense if you're an insane power junkie. and you know, you're beholdant to the whims of this insane power hungry establishment, then it makes nothing but sense because you're making a whole bunch of money doing this. But, you know, the turning, they didn't really cross the Rubicon until 1996 when they started

with the large-scale domestic spraying operations. I mean, you know, I give a pass to pretty much anybody who's working on this weapons system prior to that point. They were building a weapon system. So what? I don't care. you know what I mean? That's good. You know, people want to defend themselves.

People want to defend themselves. They want to defend their family. They want to defend their country. That's fine. But you don't turn the weapon that you just built against your own people. You know? And yeah, so I have the same problem with it. And even to this day, it's all compartmentalized. But, you know, the thing that bothers me, and I'm going to continue to talk about this, the pilots.

people flying I mean we see chem trails coming out of commercial airlines passenger and freight all the time there's there's tons of video online I mean endless amounts of video of people who are able to you know zoom in it's not the most it's not the easiest thing in the world to zoom in on a plane and flight and capture the markings of it you know see what if it's a commercial or you know military plane or whatever it is but there's there's lots of it and certain guys are good at it like mike decker go to mike decker's YouTube channel and you'll see, you know, what expert marksmanship is with a video camera. And so, but anyway, we know that the chem trails are coming from commercial planes. And those planes have pilots.

Okay, they may not be pressing buttons to make the chem trails come out. In fact, they're probably not because they don't know where they're supposed to spray. Only the people in the command centers of AI running this thing would know where to spray. So I doubt very much that they're hitting buttons to make chemtrail spray. come out, but there's chem trails coming off their plane. You know what I mean? If I'm driving down the street in my car and it's producing huge clouds of oil smoke behind it that just like is choking everybody out and all this kind of stuff, that's illegal. That's illegal because I'm responsible for everything that's coming off of my car. If you're the captain of a plane that's flying in the sky,

you're responsible for what that plane is emitting. You know what I mean? And see, this gets really dark real quick because I, you know, I resonate with working class people. And I really appreciate the American military. A lot of these guys are ex-military. And, you know, so it's hard for me to say this. But, I mean, you know, what is the penalty for that? What is the penalty for being responsible for a vehicle that is involved in,

the spraying of tens of thousands of toxic tens of thousands of megatons of toxic waste every year involved in that program and you know they themselves are probably you know like spraying i don't know thousands of tons of this stuff every year and uh you know i mean what what what is the penalty for that i don't even want to say you know i mean what's the logical penalty for just spraying death over everybody from an airplane you know i think you know what the logical logical penalty is for that, but I don't want to say it. I mean, these people need to do the pilots of these planes. We have a lot of whistleblowers who are retired.

We have a lot of retired pilots. A couple of Air Force generals, one a major general, one a, I want to try to get into details. I sometimes forget. There's two former Air Force generals that have blown the whistle on this. And like upwards of 20 pilots of just, you know, commercial freight and passenger aircraft and they all say yeah planes are not supposed to be leaving these gigantic lines in the sky that's particulate matter this is a big problem so we have tons

of retired whistleblowers but i mean the guys who continue to do it today how do they sleep at night you know what i mean they're spraying their plane spraying just ungodly amounts of toxic waste and just destroying everything not only the the particulate matter that we're we're being assaulted with, which is extremely well documented. The UVB and the UVC, this stuff is destroying the ozone layer. And we're being subjected to UVB and UVC right now. This stuff destroys everything on Earth. Ultraviolet radiation destroys everything.

There might be some microbes left, but that's about it. These guys have to wake up. Speaking about the pilots, knowing it's gone on for for 30 years. If you were a pilot in, let's say, 1990, and then 1996 happens, you're like, what the heck is going on? Is there a possibility that if you became a pilot, you know, 20 years ago, this has just always been the way it is? Or would you, are you sitting there going like, no, they know? And I just mean that it's kind of like the same thing if you talk to a nurse who's been around for a very long time. And they've seen how many more.

vaccines and the different things and they've just got a ton of experience of like, hmm, something's off here. Whereas if you got a new nurse and that's just the way it's done and the leadership's like, oh, no, this is, you know, like, would there be that part of this where you go over 30 years, if you're just entering the, you know, you come out of the Air Force and you're going to go fly a commercial flight and, you know, are you even paying attention to even realize? Well, I mean, I think there's some plausible deniability there, but not much. because, you know, I think they all know. I think they all know.

We actually have a video of a pilot saying that chemtrails are quote, a necessary evil. So he knew about it. And, you know, apparently he's been told that, yeah, that's bad for life and stuff. But we got to do it because, you know, global warming is really horrible. You know, it doesn't make any sense. Of course, it's just stupid.

But, you know, that's apparently, I think that that's what they're being told. So it's just more bootlicking. You know, it's just more like, you know, sacrificing everything for, you know, your little world of money and your little, you know, pension. Oh, you know, I have this self image of me being this world beating pilot, you know, when I wear my uniform and I'm so cool and I come home and my parents. I mean, my family is so appreciative. Well, you know what? I mean, they'll be appreciative. If they love you, they'll be appreciative of you no matter what they do, no matter what you do.

You know, I think that these guys need to find God is what I'm getting at. Like, stop, you know, wrecking everything for your little paycheck and your little pension. And, you know, so you can be the big man around the house and all this kind of stuff. I mean, it's just like childish nonsense. But, you know, this is the state of our society. This is a childish society, a selfish childish society. And it's only that way because Satan is the God of this world. And I understand these things.

But, you know, people got to stand up against it. People got to stand up against it. You got to say no. I'm going to quote Catherine Austin Fitz again. You got to say, I'm not going to be the Patsy. I'm not the Patsy anymore. You know what I mean? I've been doing this my whole life.

The establishment wanted me. the wealthy San Francisco establishment, I went to one of the best private high schools in San Francisco. And I knew wealthy people. Like I say, I knew them. You know, like I socialized with them now and then. My day-to-day life experience wasn't really like that. But, you know, they, I kind of forgot where I was going with that. You know, here, fill me in now, Sean.

Well, you were just talking about the elites wanted you. They did. But I rejected all that. I rejected all that. You know, and so I've been doing this thing where like, you know, I have to reject them. I've rejected their advances at every turn. And it doesn't, it's not like an overt thing where like, you know, some guy comes up to you and he's like, you know, we want you. Well, actually sometimes it kind of was like that.

But, you know, I could have had that if I wanted that. I could have had everything that all these fake people with all their, you know, houses and cars and all this kind of stuff had that. But I couldn't do it. You know what I mean? Like my gut was saying, no, no, no, don't do it. And I listened to my gut. You know what I mean? I, like, I disappointed so many of these people.

Like they wanted me, you know, because they knew I was smart. They knew that I knew how to like figure things out and break things down, you know, the essence of comedy, right? break things down to something very simple. And they saw that in me. And I'm good at doing that. I'm good at taking, you know, once I understand what something is, I can break it down into something simple that other people can understand. You know, so I'm going about being a writer.

But, you know, I mean, this is what these pilots have to do. You got to grow, grow a freaking pair. Like, I mean, maybe it's a new thing to them. You know what I mean? Like a new thing where they have to stand up to the establishment. and, you know, I guess I understand that to a certain degree, but I mean, I was doing this when I was like four years old. You know what I mean? It's like, come on, man, grow up. And, you know, they got to grow up and they got to grow up and they got to grow up there. I don't know, like,

where these pilots are coming from these days. They all just, you know, fall in the line and just do all this. Well, it's power structures, right? Like when you're, you got a job and you got to provide for a family, it becomes pretty simple, right? Like, I mean, I mean, you're, it's, it's I mean, we witnessed it in COVID, like full stop over and over again. They didn't, they didn't go door to door. They went to places of employment. And I don't even mean door to door that way. They just in the legislature or the laws, the policy, they put out things.

And then they had companies enforce it, right? Like, you don't do this. You don't work. You don't work. You don't pay your bills. Completely insidious, completely evil. they tried doing everything they could. I'm just amazed that, you know, we were able to rise above it.

Because I think that their plan was to just keep on ramming this stuff down our throat. It would be virus after virus after virus after virus or, you know, variant after variant and shot after variant and you got to have your, you know, personal idea. This is how they were going to shut down society. We defeated it somehow. You know what I mean? I'm not exactly sure how that works. but, you know, God must have been involved somehow because I know the establishment.

That was their big deal. That was, they were rolling out the New World Order right there. I knew from moment one that that was, okay, this is the essence of the New World Order. Viruses coming out. No, there's this virus out there and you got to do this, that. And the other thing, you got to like sacrifice your life for this and that and, you know, be a good little slave or else, you know, you just get shut down entirely because of the virus, you know. I mean, I saw that immediately.

And, you know, I guess enough people saw it and enough, enough people in what I call the death care industry saw it as well. And, you know, it's really very similar things, you know, the COVID stuff and the and the chemtrail stuff. Because, I mean, they're just doing it. The most egregious things against humanity as a species, as you could possibly imagine, they're doing it. I mean, short of thermonuclear war, they're doing it. And, you know, chemtrails is just another thing, another huge scam. I think it's the biggest mass murder in history. They killed a lot of people with those COVID shots.

But, you know, this spraying stuff is about the worst thing you can do to a people short of thermonuclear war, spraying toxic substances out of aircraft. Can you think of anything in between thermonuclear war and spraying highly toxic substances out of aircraft as far as, you know, like the worst things you can do to people, they're doing it. And this is the establishment. And it needs to be done away with. This establishment is wicked. It's pure evil.

It's been this way for thousands of years. And it needs to be done away with or else we're just going to continue to suffer. Every single day we're living this life of just pure nonsense. Where people will just, they buy into all this garbage. And, you know, big tech is turning. turning everything into just a world of garbage with their AI. You know, AI is going to be the authority on everything. It's all, you know, it's all completely full of crap.

It's just an extension of the mainstream media. And, you know, if we can't defeat all this, we're done. So I mean, you know, these people deserve to be overthrown. They're talking, you know, the way they're acting is like they have nothing to lose, which is really scary. They're acting like they're never going to get caught for either one of these things. And you know, you got to wonder why they would compromise themselves so badly. I think that there's something huge coming on the horizon.

I don't know what it is exactly. You know, a lot of people speculate about a lot of different things. But, I mean, the establishment is acting like it's just the end of the world. And they're just destroying everything and, you know, without care for anything. Except I don't know. It's just, it seems like they're just completely hell bent and willing to do anything under the sun to just. wreck humanity in any way possible, as if, you know, something huge is on the horizon that's going to, you know, make people forget about all this. You know what I mean? That's the scary part.

Let's go to the, you mentioned Satan at the top. And then a bunch of, you know, there's a whole bunch of things in between there. This was before we started recording, but yeah. No, no, no, no, actually, you mentioned Satan. Satan is the God of this world. Yeah, there's their power. There's a power structure there. But then you mentioned names that I think are familiar to the show, the Rockefellers and a bunch of different, right? Financial incentives is where I was going, right? If you follow the money, you can start to see why things like chemtrails probably exist.

Well, I mean, climate change or, you know, global warming, right? We've got to stop that. Okay. So they get to spray the chemicals, which there would be a cost to, which would be money there. which in the Greens world, they're stopping this terrible stuff from global warming and there's a way to sell that narrative. And then it makes a bunch of people sick,

which then goes to the healthcare industry, death care, as you've mentioned. And so now you've got money being put into pharmaceuticals and everything to stop this. So I'm like, it's kind of like, I don't know, a snake in his tail or something along that lines where there's a whole bunch of,

bunch of things money-wise that can be benefited from it. Is that, you know, when you look at the Rockefellers and all these different people, is that where you land on while they get multiple avenues of revenue source off this, or is there other things I'm missing? No. You know, it's, I have a chapter in the book called motives where I go over a whole bunch of the, and it's all about weather modification. There are other motives outside of weather modification I've come to come to know. But just the weather modification angle, you know, leads you to what I call the power behind of the chem trails. And, you know, that's later on in the book. I, you know, I lay it all, I lay everything out in a way that the reader is best going to

understand it. You know, it unfolds to the reader in a very logical manner. So, you know, the power behind the Kemp trails chapter is chapter 12 it's near the end of the book it's right before funding you know these were conclusions that I reached but I mean you know let's I think this is kind of in the vein of what we've been talking about here let's let's read a passage from U.S. President Woodrow Wilson okay people don't know about this I found these things you know through extensive research but let's listen to U.S. President Woodrow Wilson Some of the biggest men in the United States, in the field of commerce and manufacture, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere, so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so pervasive,

that they had better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it. That's U.S. President Woodrow Wilson. Let's hear from U.S. President Theodore Roosevelt. Behind the visible government, there is an invisible government upon the throne that owes the people no loyalty and recognizes no responsibility. That's not me saying that. That's the United States President Theodore Roosevelt. And he's not talking about communism like JFK did in that famous quote that people use a lot.

He's talking about the Illuminati. He's talking about the real power structure. And in that power structure can also be known as the network of global corporate control. This was the name of a study that was done by three mathematicians from a big university in Switzerland. And they're defining a paragraph in this. They talk about how all these corporations, specifically finance corporations, basically run the world, basically run everything.

And they prove this mathematically by different means. It's kind of complicated. But let me read this paragraph that they wrote. We present the first investigation of the architecture of the international ownership network, along with the computation of the control, of the control held by each global player. We find that transnational corporations

form a giant bow tie structure and that a large portion of control flows to a small, tightly knit core of financial institutions. This core can be seen as an economic, quote, super entity that raises new important issues, both for researchers and policymakers. I go into the roundtable,

which is a face-front organization of the Illuminati, and their whole history, they created the Council on Foreign Relations, which most people have probably heard of. The Council on Foreign Relations has published, I don't know, 20, 30, or members of the CFR have published 20 or 30 papers advocating for SRM geoengineering, advocating for spraying us with tens of thousands of

toxic, tens of thousands of megatons of toxic materials every year. That's where the Council on Foreign Relations came from. They came from something called the Roundtable. And I have the history of that. That had everything to do with Cecil Rhodes and Nathaniel Rothschild and the Society of the Elect. And believe me, I'm going to be going deeper into all this. And I have sections on the United Nations, which for all the world looks like they have coordinated all this, because, you know, this is a global project and the cross-border ramifications, as they call it, have been a huge issue. And it's been the UN has been the forum in which apparently these nations have worked these things out and gotten every nation of the world on board on this thing. I don't know,

probably every major nation in the world. I have a section on the Central Intelligence Agency, which is up to their eyeballs in this thing. That's the establishment's main battleship. The Central Intelligence Agency, they work with elements, corrupt elements of the American military and the State Department to do all kinds of nasty stuff all over the world, furthering establishment objectives,

just destroying, raping, killing, stealing, pillaging, whatever it is. And of course, they always have a cover story. You know, like, oh, we did it because, you know, they were under a tyrant, They needed regime change, right? I mean, this has been going on for decades and decades. I have a section on the Rockefeller family, which is heavily implicated in all this.

It's kind of too much to go into. I have just pages and pages of this. Lawrence Rockefeller in particular was deeply involved in the aerospace industry. And he also worked with one of the co-authors of Toward New Horizons. he was officially involved during World War II as working for the United States government in the production of aircraft. Carnegie apparently had a little something to do with it. I got to look in him some more. Rothschild.

Apparently they fund the Rockefellers. It was the deal. So there's a little bit on them, not too much. The Bush family. The Bush family. Okay. There's a, okay. A world famous PhD scientist.

Along with, at the time, the sitting director of Monroe County, Florida, Department of Health, a sitting director. They have a series of 28 peer-reviewed journal articles. The thesis of which is that the substance we are being sprayed with is coal fly ash, which is the smoke that rises from burning coal. It's a toxic waste byproduct of the coal-fired power plant industry. And there has been a certain common. company that has been collecting that coal fly ash for many decades. It's called Dresser Industries. It's now a part of Halliburton. It's a Bush family business. It's a Bush family business.

You see, they used to just let that coal fly ash just billow out of the smokestack, right? And that was a big environmental problem. But over time, there were a bunch of class action lawsuits. And then the Cattrell came, Frederick Cotrell, came up with these electrostatic precipitators, otherwise known the scrubbers that can eliminate this coal fly ash before it billows out of the smokestack. So those were, those have been installed on every coal-fired power plant in the country, actually every coal-fired power plant in the Western world because they get hit with all kinds of class action lawsuits that they don't. But this dresser industry is now part of Halliburton has always been a Bush family business.

We have evidence of members of the Bush family being directly invested in Dresser. And they've been collecting this coal fly ash forever. So there's no other company in America that's collecting coal fly ash as far as I know. It's only Halliburton. These electrostatic precipitators are huge machines, highly technical. It really makes sense that there would only be like one, possibly two companies. But they've all been consolidated into Halliburton. There was another one called Brown and Root.

which has been consolidated into Halliburton as well. And they're implicated in all this. But, you know, it's not only that. I mean, the Bush family is, I have, no, I have like a page and a half on them here. But, you know, they've always been involved in all kinds of military projects, secret things, high tech things, nasty things. This is right up their alley. There was one guy in particular, a guy by the name of Harlan Cleveland. I have a section on him.

He was always advocating for weather control, global weather control. He was an ambassador to the UN. He spoke many times in favor of second generation weather modification programs. At least once we have at least one instance of him saying publicly that he wants electromagnetic energy used to control the weather. So this would be in the vein of the new Manhattan Project. And he just goes on and on with all these connections to everything. going on today involving global warming and all this kind of stuff. So, you know, I have quite a bit of stuff about this wicked establishment and exactly who it is

that is involved in this thing. I don't know about the rest of the audience. Did I think Illuminati was going to come up? I don't know. Certainly a whole bunch of the names. I'm like, yeah, okay, yeah, okay. But Illuminati's in it. Not an interesting one.

That's not the right way to put it. I guess maybe makes my eyebrows raise, right? Like, is that where you thought you were going to get to when you first started digging into this? Did you just think it was going to be some military technology that, you know, even when I do the Halliburton, you go down the dresser industries and where that comes from coal fly ash, you're like, I think any listener can recall. And to this day that they stopped doing that and had to put in these scrubbers to make sure that it was environmentally safe or, or sound, whatever you want, then there would be a product made there from all these scrubbers, I assume that they have to dispose of.

And that's where the next part comes in. And the reason you bring up coal fly ash, I assume, is because you're finding this particular matter in the atmosphere still in Western countries, correct? Well, we're finding it in rainwater samples. We're finding it in soil samples as well. But, you know, the soil sample stuff could possibly be written off as well. That's residual from, you know, when we used to pump stuff out of the coal-fired power plants. But the rainwater and other environmental samples, particularly the rainwater, is not something that can just be written off.

There's not supposed to be anything in rainwater. Rainwater is supposed to be pure. And yet we're finding elevated levels of all sorts of toxins. and every sample, every environmental sample that the world famous PhD scientist, Dr. Marvin Herndon, in his 28 peer-reviewed journal articles, every single environmental sample that he has analyzed, has shown this chemical signature of coal fly ash. Is there, this is probably a really dumb question. Is there no other way coal fly ash could come to be in the atmosphere?

I don't know. Like I actually just, there's no other way. No, there's really no other way. You know, there's been some troll activity talking about maybe it comes over from China. No, it falls out and, you know, over the Pacific Ocean before it reaches us. Because, you know, in China they don't use scrubbers. They don't use electrostatic precipitators in second and third world countries. They're still allowing that stuff to just spew out over everybody because they don't allow their people to file class action lawsuits appropriately.

Apparently. I wasn't even thinking China. I was thinking like, so the coal fly ash, do they add it to something on the plane and then spray it out? Is that, like am I thinking about that correctly, Peter? You know, it's a little bit of a mystery as to the details of it all. And I think it's a rich vein of investigation that we need to hammer some more.

But, you know, that's what we need to figure out. How does it get from these giant piles of coal fly ash, these giant mountains, you know, of these repositories in the middle of nowhere where they go and dump the coal fly ash. Or I don't know if they get it from there or they get it fresh from the electrostatic precipitators. It'd probably be better if they got it fresh from the electrostatic precipitators because then, you know, it doesn't sit around and get moldy and have bacteria form and stuff. Coal fly ash sticking on this for a second. What is the, I assume they've sold this to parts of the public or parts of whatever establishment in a way.

Coal fly ash, is it supposed to reflect the sun or something? Or what would be the reason for spraying it into the app? What would be the reason they sell? Well, I mean, this has been the job of the geoengineers. They don't, the geoengineers don't say coal fly ash. You say like, oh, we're going to hit you with sulfates or, you know, sulfur dioxide and all these different substances. There's a lot of the things that they say they're going to spray you with are toxic, but they never say coal fly ash.

You're talking about, you know, I guess you're getting at, you know, what the establishment, the establishment's line on all this is. Well, the establishment has been working through these geoengineers. And they just say that, hey, you know, global warming is that, that's their reason, global warming. They say, you know, and it all goes back to, you know, global warming to reflect stuff back in the space. And it all goes back to this 195 document that I've gone on and on. and on about it was my greatest find uh 1955 john von noyman it was the introduction of the srm geoengineering

thesis it was the first time that it had ever been put into the the public sphere this idea that global warming is going to get bad and we need to spray you from planes to reflect sunlight back into space 1950s fortune magazine john von noyman not only that this is all in my book not not not only that Not only that, it was not only the first mention of the SRM geoengineering thesis, it was also the first mention of the theory of man-made global warming made in the popular culture. The first mention of the theory of man-made global warming made in the popular culture, 1995, John von Neumann, Fortune magazine. Before that, it was only relegated to academia, stuff that nobody ever read or barely anybody read. It was 1955 when they first inserted

the theory of man-made global warming into the public's consciousness in this paper. It's called Can We Survive Technology? Oddly enough. And so, but what that is, what they're saying from the great, you know, one of the greatest minds ever in the history of man,

John von Neumann, you know, he was highly revered. They're like pretty much infinitely revered. He was an incredible man. And, you know, to have his name on this paper, I don't know that he even wrote it. You know, by that point, the CIA had just taken over everything. They may have just put his name on it and just put it out there.

But it served a purpose for the establishment. It was the old problem reaction solution, the Hegelian dialectic, right? The problem that they introduced is global warming. Right? They introduced it in that paper in 1955, John von Neiman. And they gave you the solution. And they gave you the solution. You spray things out of planes.

You reflect that sunlight back into space. Cool. You're done. You know what I mean? That was a green light to the military industrial complex. That was really the kickoff of all this. Well, in a way, I mean, you know, you can trace it back further just after World War II with that series of reports.

But it was another seminal moment in the development of all this. I mean, NASA was created in 1958. That was because Sputton. happened in 1957. I mean, everything happened right after that. NASA in 1958, that was the huge. When Sputnik happened, you know, Sputnik, the Russian satellite that supposedly crossed over America, you know, in outer space or something that sent the Department of Defense.

And so it Tizzy fit and said, hey, we need a space program here because we didn't have a space program at the time. But after Sputnik, everything just went through the roof. This was two years after John von Neumann's paper. And guess who was the? the driving political force behind the creation of NASA. Do you know? CIA.

Lyndon Baines Johnson. He was such a sweetheart, don't you know? Such a nice guy. Such a lovely person. You know what I mean? He definitely had our best interests at heart, don't you know? Lyndon Baines Johnson, I mean, roundly hated by everybody. You know what I mean?

The Democrats hate him. If you go back to like the sun, right, a global warming. What are we finding out more and more, you know, like my own research since probably somewhere in the middle of COVID is how important the sun is, sunlight, the different UV rays coming through, like just how important it is to be a healthy human being. And if you look at what they're doing, it's like, okay, how can we find a way to take out one of the, you know, big health drivers? Well, it'll be the sun. Well, create global warming. That would scare them. And then we'll put in some things to make them, we're going to have your best interest at heart.

We're going to spray the, you know, we're going to spray the atmosphere to help you from getting out of that harm and out of the way of that. And, you know, I don't know how many people I've listened to talk about just the crazy importance of having sunlight on you. Like, just crazy. And to get to a position where it's like, you bring up the Higalian dialect, like, you know, create the problem, then give them the solution, even if the problem is insane and the solution is even more insane, here we sit in 2026. Yeah. In a world where Satan is the God, the God of this world, that's what happens. I feel like I listened to you in an interview and I'm just spacing right now where you talk about Silicon Valley.

or something along the lines, big tech, and how they're intertwined in this. Why would big tech be involved in this? It's a highly technical project. I don't know anybody else who could handle it. I mean, we're talking about an AI. This is not run by men, you know, with little clipboards in a room somewhere.

That may be part of it. They may, that may be happening. And, you know, guys have influence upon this thing. Like, they can request things to be. done. But ultimately, this whole program is run by an AI. It's way too big and way too complicated to even have like an organizational structure to administer to it. If you did, the organizational structure would be so huge that it would be exposed. I think that big tech has a secret, malevolent quantum computer, artificial intelligence that has been running what I call the New Manhattan

project and everything else that it can. I think that this malevolent artificial intelligence is the source of all the BS that we've been subjected to, particularly over the last 10 years. You know, because we keep on getting beat over the head with these mainstream media narratives that make no freaking sense whatsoever. And yet we're forced to buy into these things and go along with these things. You know, and they always seem to have some kind of. of very diabolical response to any time anybody, you know, raises questions about all this. They always seem to have some kind of answer that is just the most insidious thing you could possibly imagine.

I mean, the mainstream media knows no depths. They know no shame. And I think that it is because they are simply following orders from this malevolent quantum computer artificial intelligence. And not only that, you can trace the development, the physical development of what I call the New Manhattan Project as it moves across the country from the Northeast to Silicon Valley. As they start with small scale experiments in the Northeast, they moved up to bigger scale experiments in Texas. They moved to bigger yet scale experiments in New Mexico. this is all mostly documented in my book and also documented in my follow-up research.

But it went from the northeast, that was where it started, to Texas, to New Mexico, to Silicon Valley. And it even went further west over to Taiwan, demonstrating the global nature of this project. And there's the other, I did, there's a video, that's a whole other barrel of monkeys. There's a video on my abstract, on my Rumble channel. My Rumble channel is called The Abstract. And I did a video and there's a paper as well on my website, peter a.kirmy.com, and it's called Tainan Airport, home of the dedicated chemtrail fleet, question mark. And the evidence indicates that Tainan Airport in southwestern Taiwan is the home of the dedicated

global chem trail spraying fleet. I think that there's a dedicated fleet, you know, like we said earlier, this is coming off of commercial planes, freight and passenger as well, pretty much all jets. But I think there's also a dedicated fleet that does nothing but fly around remotely spraying chem trails. And there's quite a bit of evidence to that. I have pages and pages and pages and pages and pages of evidence for that in my book. But, and you know, there's a whole story behind how modern Taiwan was created where they came from.

And of course, the CIA, that's basically their vassal state. That's their vassal state, Taiwan. People don't know this. See, because the CIA runs the mainstream media. They're not going to frame it that way. They're not going to tell you that. They're not going to let anybody on any of their platforms that tell you that the CIA runs Taiwan. But they do.

They always have from the beginning, from 1950. They were the ones that protected and coddled the current administration of Taiwan. It's known as the Kuomintang. They had to flip. These are the nationalist Chinese that had to flee mainland China in 1950 because the communists were taken over. So these were supposedly our friends. Oh, the capitalists, right? Oh, they're such good people. Yeah, right. I mean, Shanghai Shaq, who was the leader of the Kuomintang fighting the communists, he destroyed detonated bombs on a whole series of levees that went to, to, to, thwart the advancing Japanese because the Japanese were involved in this too. They were making

big incursions onto mainland China. So they were fighting the communists and the and the Japanese. But anyway, the Japanese were advancing. Shanghai Shaq blew up dams, ancient dams on the yellow river that caused tremendous floods that displaced millions of people. 800,000 people died. His own people. I mean, conceivably. I mean, you know, They weren't Japanese. They might have had communist liens or whatever. Or they might have been what we call nationalists, you know, his people, the Kuomintang people.

But 800,000 people died because of that. And that's just the tip of the iceberg with this guy. I mean, he was a freaking psychopath. Shang-Ishek, the founder of the, well, he actually wasn't the founder. There was one guy before him. But he was the guy, the main guy at the time. And his sons have gone on to run Taiwan since then in complete cooperation with the CIA. Yeah.

When you, I'm going to bring a, I'm kind of curious, right? You seem like a guy who's done his research. I think I get, I think that's a very evident. When you look at what's happening right now with US, Israel, Iran, Russia, Ukraine, all these different conflicts going on. what do you think i don't know what to think anymore everything has just become so freaking confusing i'm so glad that i don't do a news program you know what i mean i'm glad that i haven't positioned myself as being newsy particularly you know like the internet could disappear tomorrow and my research would go on largely unimpeded but you know there's just so much flying around now i

mean what it's exemplified by the artificial intelligence videos like sometimes they get me. You know what I mean? Like I didn't know that that was fake and then I reposted or something like that. I'll get, you know, just I'll share this with your audience too because I thought this was strange. I got on Twitter last year, I think it was. Maybe it was a year before. I hadn't been on Twitter until like just pretty much relatively recently just because I don't like the website. I was building on Rumble and truth social and stuff. But I got on Twitter and there was this what looked like a woman. that was direct messaging me. I bet you other people have had this experience,

but they don't want to talk about it because they makes them look foolish. I mean, it wasn't a big huge deal to me or whatever. You know, it was just she looked attractive. She had a nice picture, you know, so we chatted a little bit or whatever. And then one day, she's like, you got to download this program so you can, you know, arbitrage Bitcoin.

I'm like, no, I don't. What are you talking about? And then she's like, no, you need to do it now. I mean, it said this. I'm like, then I realized it like, this is a completely fake person. Like this was all a scam just like designed to get me involved in some kind of Bitcoin trading thing. And of course, I blocked everything and, you know, deleted all contacts and all this kind of stuff. But I mean, it just goes.

I mean, I'm pretty good at figuring these things out. You know what I mean? But they had me fooled for a it was just like, you know, maybe a couple weeks or something like that. But I mean, these scams are getting really good, man. And, you know, so it's getting really hard to tell reality from fiction. I like this one quote, if I can conjure it up real quick here. It's from Michael Crichton. I have it at the beginning of my Information War chapter.

Are you about to quote Jurassic Park to me? No. He's a smart guy. I wouldn't put you through watching any Jurassic Park movies, buddy. All right, Sean. So, yeah, in 2003, he said, the greatest challenge facing mankind is the challenge of distinguishing reality from fantasy, truth from propaganda. So true. So true.

I mean, look what we're being subjected to today. I don't know what's going on in the Middle East. I don't know. There's just all these conflicting stories. I mean, you know, there's so many hands in the pot, the hands and the fingers in the pie, whatever you want to say going on over there that it's almost impossible to figure out what's going on. I mean, I read these stories in the press, the straight of Hormuz is open. The straight of Hormuz is closed.

They're doing a convoy through there and, oh, they made this development. I don't put any stock in any of it. You know, this is why things need to be set straight here. Because as a society and as a people, we're just like a drift. When we don't have, you know, verifiable thing, well, we do, but, you know, people are too lazy to go look at them. You know, like archival documents and books and things like that, the stuff that I look at. You know, that's reliable information. Of course, it's not perfect, but it's a whole heck of a lot more reliable than, you know, the Internet these days.

I mean, this is an extreme danger to our species that there's this group, big tech, just constantly promoting all this nonsense, all this. all these lies, all this garbage. You know, these, this is not acceptable. The current situation is completely unacceptable and really anathema to human prosperity. And so, you know, like I'll go back to what I said earlier. I mean, we have a serious problem on our hand. We have a wicked establishment, a satanic establishment that's going for broke. They are going for broke.

I don't know why. but that's what they're doing. And, you know, we got to grow back bone here. And we got to stand up against this because it's at the point where, you know, something real bad's going to happen if we don't set things straight. I didn't mean to tease you about Michael Crichton. I'll tell you why.

So in the middle of COVID, got invited to speak in a small town in Alberta. And I was standing on stage. Actually, I was sitting in a chair. And I said, you know, it's times like these where a guy should probably quote from the Bible. And I could see a bunch of people not in their head. And I said, but I'm going to give you a quote from Jurassic Park. And I was talking about straight linearity back then.

One of the quotes that I got a whole bunch. Because I remember reading Jurassic Park in a book club, showed up to Van's Carl. And I remember him, we're going to read Jurassic Park. I'm like, why the heck? we read in Jurassic Park. Like what? And then it's funny because I quote it all the time now. You know, one of the things I think of today's society on top of everything you've said

is something Michael Crichton said. And if you don't mind, I'll read it to you. He said, scientific power is a form of inherited wealth. Most forms of power requires substantial sacrifice by those wishing to attain it. There is an apprenticeship lasting many years. Whatever it is you seek, you have to put it in the time. the practice, the effort must give up a lot to get it and has to be very important to you. Once you've attained it, it is your power and it can be given away and it can't be given away.

It resides in you. It's literally the result of your discipline. What is interesting about this process is that by the time someone has learned to kill with their bare hands, they've matured so they will not use it unwisely. This power has a built-in control. The discipline of getting the power changed you so you won't abuse it. But a scientific power is a form of inherited wealth attained without discipline. And much of our society, with the technological advances we have, is exactly that. Well, yeah, there's been all kinds of people that have been put in positions of power that really don't deserve those positions.

Because of the DEI stuff. And, oh, we're trying to help these people. We had a drama teacher as the Prime Minister of Canada for a decade. Who is that? Justin Trudeau. Oh. Justin Cast Trudeau. Right.

You think about that. You go, how the heck does that happen? Okay, he's got the last name. He's got the hair. He can speak. Okay, sure. But no company.

Well, I shouldn't say no company. That's not true either. If Peter or me were running a company would not hire the CEO to be a drama teacher, we would want somebody who has their stuff together and can offer something that position. Maybe say it's spent some time in leadership or, you know, I don't, I don't know. There's got to be a whole list of credentials that would make it important not to mention not be an insane man. Well, yeah, I mean, 10 years. Yeah,

we had Barack Obama for eight years and he's never produced a single document that proves who he is. Think about that for a second. His birth certificate is a total fraud. total fraud. It was a PDF that you can put into, he released a PDF of his birth certificate that you can put into Photoshop and you can see that it's in layers. If you know anything about Photoshop, you know that if it's in layers,

that it was created in Photoshop. So, yeah, and he's, you know, there's all these stories about him. To this day, I have no idea who this person is. You know, he went by a different, name. You know what I mean? He went by Barry Sowatoro. I mean, apparently this is not interesting to the mainstream media. The president of the United States used to go by a different name. How many people do you know that used to go by a different name? I mean, this is basically the hallmark of a

criminal, the hallmark of a career criminal changing your name in order to obfuscate your past. And yet the mainstream media just gives it a pass. Oh, just don't worry about it. Well, the mainstream media is bought and paid for. Yeah. Right? Yeah, the establishment runs it. Once again, where can people find you? If they want to buy a copy of your book, if they want to fall along, you mention a Rumble channel, a website, rattle those off for the audience again.

Well, my Rumble channel, which I have high hopes for, is called The Abstract. And, you know, you can find it by typing in the abstract. I'm on truth social at the end. abstract as well. I'm on Twitter at Peter A. Kirby, or I call it Twitter. It's called X now if you know. But if you want to know everything that I'm doing, you go to my website, peteracurby.com, and there's all links to everything there. And there's also a whole collection of my papers of the last, I don't know, last 10 years or so. So there's an archive there and links to all my stuff. So peteracurby.com, that's a place to go. Peter, appreciate you hopping on and doing this.

Oh, Sean, thanks for having me.