Shaun Newman Podcast - #1052 - Mike Steger

Episode Date: May 12, 2026

Mike Steger is an American political activist, commentator, and co-founder of Promethean Action, a movement dedicated to defeating oligarchic globalism, restoring U.S. industrial sovereignty, and promoting creative republican principles inspired by Lyndon LaRouche, Plato, and Benjamin Franklin. A Michigan native born in Kalamazoo, he earned a bachelor’s degree from the University of California, Santa Barbara in 1999. He joined LaRouche’s presidential campaign in the early 2000s, later operated a political intelligence and outreach firm serving mainstream clients from 2011 to 2021, and co-founded Promethean Action in 2021. Watch the Cornerstone Forum 26’https://shaunnewmanpodcast.substack.com/Silver Gold Bull Links:Website: https://silvergoldbull.ca/Email: [e-mail] Grahame: [phone]Bow Valley Credit UnionBitcoin: www.bowvalleycu.com/en/personal/investing-wealth/bitcoin-gatewayEmail: [e-mail] Expat MoneyExpatmoney.com/SNPGet your voice heard: Text Shaun 587-217-8500

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new one podcast today i'm joined by mike stager mike thanks for hopping on great to be here shan uh i i would say that the way this uh you run into me is is through x i you know i i've watched a bunch of susan kokinda's videos and all of a sudden you pop on i'm like well who's this character now um obviously i'm like well i'm going to reach out to susan because i kind of want to figure out who you are a little bit. So I assume other people have seen some of your videos as well. And I thought we'd just start there. Tell us a little bit about yourself. So, you know, I'm just kind of an American kid, a broken home, come from a broken town, Kalamazoo, Michigan. Parents moved out to Chicago, then California. And so at an early age, I probably saw, I was a bit jaundiced eye towards the way the

the post-Cold War, the unipolar moment, whatever the neocons want to call it, I saw that with a pretty skeptical sense, as well as a pretty skeptical sense of the liberal turn, especially living in California. So I was kind of politicized, but not like in some typical left-wing way. My dad served in Vietnam in combat. I grew up as a Catholic. And so around 2000, after 9-11, which was a pretty, you know, stark moment here, like, what's going to happen? Like, this is big. And, you know, the nation was ready to run off to war. And I guess partly because my dad served in combat in Vietnam, I wasn't necessarily trusting of another long war in Asia kind of thing.

and um so oh excuse me geez my bad um and so give me one second do you edit this Sean I mean I'm asking now but well we're pretty loosey-goosey on the old editing as as people know I'm not too worried about a phone call in the middle of it okay cool so I turn my phone off so after 9-11 was trying to figure out what I was going to do. Politics, economics, these were kind of the areas I was most interested in. And I ran into LaRouche's campaign, his final campaign for president campaign in 2004 while I was living in Chicago. And I was doing a bunch of research and trying to figure out what my perspective is, what my values were, where I wanted to put emphasis, because there weren't a lot of options. I mean, Bush and Gore didn't represent most Americans. And there was also a sense that

shutting down the manufacturing, shutting down the industrial base, it wasn't just an economic question. You could kind of feel it, especially in the Midwest, but you could feel it in California because people were so detached from the reality of what was needed to keep a society and civilization going. The morality was breaking down. The physical economic factors were breaking down. And so here's this guy, LaRouche, who kind of puts it in a perspective.

You know, people say, well, he's a socialist and he's a communist, like, I never saw that. That was back, like, in the 50s and 60s when, you know, from his perspective, he was fighting against this kind of rabid McCarthyism. And what I saw as a guy who loved the American Constitution was promoting people like McKinley, Lincoln, and Hamilton in the American system. And he wanted to reindustrialize the United States. But he also recognized that there was a clear threat. there was a threat from this extreme kind of right-wing neocon faction, as there was a threat from a radical left cultural faction. But the most engaging was that he recognized we've got to reassert a sense that

the questions of science, the questions of technological advancement, the questions of economic development stem from an understanding that there's a creative, there's a creative universe and a creative God. And we have to apply the principles given to us by that God and in this universe, or we are going to face economic collapse in ways that people couldn't imagine. He was warning, almost prophesizing that we were going into a dark age. I mean, repeatedly, he had been doing that through his political career. We are headed towards a dark age of civilization.

that the kinds of changes that took place in 15th century Italy, 14th century Italy, and in Europe more broadly, a kind of this, what we call the Renaissance, but there's been other renaissance. Something happened in Europe at that time because the population growth chart, when you look at it, it goes hyperbolic, it goes vertical there. Like if you took any other biological creature, you took a set of deer or a set of rabbits and you looked at an entire continent. take europe take africa take a species that was throughout that continent and all of a sudden its population growth goes vertical and is sustained for like five six genera five or six centuries of that rate of population growth you go what happened here this isn't the same species how did the species all of a sudden become so dominant within it's in it within its environment that it could sustain ongoing population growth rates like what we experienced

experience in human society from Europe and Western civilization. And from LaRouche's perspective, he says, we need to replicate that phenomena. Because that shows coherence with the, you could put it, shows coherence with the universe, it shows coherence with truth and moral law. It shows a characteristic of mankind to act in the universe consistent with God's laws that are also based on discovering those laws. New discoveries in science, new discoveries in art, new discoveries in political organization,

notions of a self-governing society, notions of banking, like national banking and credit to make sure you're not just running kind of a debt slavery or taxing your people to death to pay for debt. You're growing through a functioning banking system. I mean, these things, we take them somewhat for granted, but they're all brand new within the last three 400 years and I thought that was extraordinary and I wondered why wasn't anybody else in our society saying this because things weren't going well

but nobody there was no like they killed Kennedy they killed King they killed within the I think the especially the boomer generation they were able to intimidate with those assassinations a sense of that quality of leadership. That we're going to buck the system. We're going to shake the tree hard. And what falls, you know, let what fall come. I mean, Kennedy gets shot basically for doing that on Vietnam, on the Fed, on industry. I mean, a number of layers.

So it seemed like there was a real kind of a desert of political leadership. And so given that LaRouche, he seemed to touch things in ways that resonated strongly with my own my own sense i got involved in his organization and campaign and moved out back out to california and i've been organizing politically for some basic questions that now president trump is reviving this is kind of where a lot of people even people that support trump don't understand it but certainly people that don't support trump don't get it Trump is reviving that 19th century American system of political economy. And when you do that, and it's been time tested, every time we've applied that,

and any time any other nation has applied the American system of political economy, and we can touch on what are the core pillars of that. It's not some formal system. It's kind of been forged in a course of trying to build a civilization in a wild frontier. But you get core pillars, core ways of thinking about it. But every time that's applied, in our nation or in other nations, you see this massive boom and economic prosperity. Not for the upper, just upper rich. It's a broad base level of economic advancement and growth.

There's a growing sense of prosperity. And the idea that we can now bring that back, which is something that LaRouche himself had been involved in kind of rediscovering and kind of rebroadcasting, making it a prominent part of our political discourse. Trump's now applying this full scope. We just put out a new pamphlet. Bye-bye globalism. The American system is back. And it goes through quotes from this. You can find this on the Promethean Action website. It goes through quotes from the administration. Scott Besson, Jameson Greer, J.D. Vance, Marco Rubio, Chris Wright, Secretary of Energy. I mean, Imagine that President Trump just issued war powers. He issued war powers to the Secretary of Energy

to rebuild our energy sector from massive power plants and large-scale infrastructure projects to natural gas facilities, oil refineries, pipelines, the electrical grid. It provided $450 billion in low-interest capital for lending, up to $450 billion in lending capacity, and allowed the Secretary of Energy using the Defense Production Act, which is like a wartime action, to commandeer private sector production capacity. And the administration's been in contact with General Electric, General Motors, Ford, saying, look, you guys don't want to do this? Well, one, Wall Street doesn't want to fund it.

We'll finance it. They set up basically venture capital firms in the Department of War. They had one that they've kind of converted into a production, you know, a baseload energy question versus green energy in the Department of Energy. So they have these kind of financing capabilities and they're shifting that. And then they're saying, okay, guess what? You productive firms, the general electrics, general motors forward. You know, you've got some production capacity. You've got some empty floor space. Let's put it to use. Build transformers. Build small modular reactors. Build the big nuclear plants. Let's get this thing moving. So it just happened a couple of weeks ago,

but that's the American system. So we're seeing that with President Trump. And so since President Trump came in, and he's been campaigning on that, when he came down the escalator, and if people haven't watched that speech, I went back and then watched it a few years afterwards, and you're like, my goodness,

he basically was clear, we're not cutting Social Security and Medicare, we're not doing austerity, we're not going to cut the population, we're not going to cut the most vulnerable. He said, we've got to reorganize these trade deals. This is obscene. We're just getting eaten alive.

We've got to rebuild our infrastructure. I mean, his perspective was a basic campaign. And I think him and his team have only gotten more clear on the real capacity of what the American system is. And so working with LaRouche and now kind of trying to make sure that what Trump is doing is understood and that we can apply it to the greatest extent possible. So that's kind of where I am right now. and that's kind of where I come from. 9-11 gets you engaged. Correct?

That would be an easy way to say it. 9-11 happens. And because of that, you are like, holy man, what are we going to do here? I mean, you mentioned your father fought in Vietnam, so there's an interesting family dynamic there of like, maybe we don't want to go over and do exactly what happened back in Vietnam. You fast forward to 2026, war is happening again, but you look to what he's doing on the home front because of said war. Am I right in framing it that way? Well, the question of foreign policy stems from what's the commitment of an administration? What are you committed to?

right it's not a question of war is always bad we live in a civilization shaped by people like st augustine you know there are wars that are necessary conflict it's a tough world conflict is real unnecessary murder and war is a benefit of a factor in human civilization um i'm not advocating for it it'd be hard to say if i was in trump's position what i've pulled the trigger but what i can say is that for me personally, President Trump has demonstrated to me, and I think hard if anyone at least is open, that he is fully committed to challenging the powers that be that have nearly strangled and suffocated our country for decades, wrecked and destroyed much of the world, and put us on course not for conflict, but for existential nuclear war with powers like Russia, like we saw in Ukraine.

This is something Lyndon Lerouche warned. LaRouche actually, I was present at an event in San Francisco right after Gaddafi had been killed in Libya. So he was captured in like a drainage well and he was shot immediately. And that next day, LaRush gave a presentation and he said, the reason why they shot him and didn't go through a show trial, you know, to kind of show the principles of liberal democracy, right? The kind of show trial of Saddam Hussein. they didn't go through that because they had to get to a war with Russia and they were going to move aggressively on Syria next. And within what two years of him saying that, we were in a war in Ukraine. Or not a war, but there was a coup launched in Ukraine.

So that was where the globalists, this network, which had deep, deep entrenched control inside American politics, was going. going. And we saw explicitly with Biden. We were now engaged in essentially a kind of so-called proxy war, but with Russia. So Trump has changed that entire question. He's put a complete break. I just did a video that will be out later today referencing Trump's national security strategy. Now, there was a leak at that time, which is December of last year, where a longer document came out from the administration via leak. Defense 1, I think, covers it. And in that, the administration is proposing what they called a core 5. So it would replace the G7. The core five countries that would be involved in the first task of this core 5 would be questions like Middle East security was the

United States, Russia, China, India, and Japan. So that kind of indicates that what Trump is doing is changing the entire geopolitical matrix that these globalists, this kind of imperialists, these warmongers have been operating in. Now, if you take all of that kind of the neocon impulse towards Iran away, if you say, okay, well, I don't trust Lindsay Graham. And you say, well, what is going on in Iran? Well, Iran was set up. I mean, there's been multiple coups in Iran, right? we everyone talks about the Mossadegh one that the CIA and MI6 came in and overthrew Mosadegh in Iran I think in 53 and that was a problem and this is something that you know the CIA was a reckless institution this is what Eisenhower is warning about this is what

at least the the machine of sorts that ends up probably killing Kennedy so it wasn't like it was just happening in Iran it happened in the United States like a decade later by the same institutions. So it's not like it's good, but it's like to say that that's America. But then another coup takes place against the Shah in 79. Now, I'm not saying the Shah was a great guy, but there are indications he was trying to industrialize in advance Iran. And that's a no-no. For the globalist, like, no, no, they had already laid out their policy. They wanted a crescent of crisis. They wanted an arc of Islamic terror. And they had been basically housing the Aitolas in places like Paris. Now they have their mansions in Paris and London.

So Iran has been a propped up entity for radical Islamic terror going back to 79 with the idea that it's death to America. It's a chant at every national holiday throughout the year. Apparently they have something like four, one of which is taking the 54 hostages of the United States at our embassy and holding them for what some, some extended period of time. They call that a national holiday. Now, this regime is now involved in supporting a bunch of these radical Islamic proxies.

They're not the only ones. Obama was doing it. Hillary Clinton admitted it. We were backing al-Qaeda and ISIS in Syria. We were backing the Muslim Brotherhood in the Arab Spring under Obama. But Trump isn't. Trump went in 2017 after finally getting rid of this Obama program, while he was a Muslim Brotherhood, While he's under massive attack and duress from a palace coup, he goes the first place he visited in 2017 was the Saudi Arabia. He brought every Islamic nation in the world to a summit.

And he said, look, we're not going to be doing this any longer. We're not backing these Islamic terrorists. You aren't either. We've got to end this scenario. We've got to end this British game, this imperial game, of perpetual conflict. And he basically has been recruiting the entire Islamic world to a picture of not the caliphate,

which is what the Muslim Brotherhood and these radical Islamic factions have been pushing for, a new caliphate, which was a response to Arab nationalism. That's what was predominating after World War II. These nations were coming back as nations. And Trump is saying, we are going back to nations. So then he's got to,

to solve and he wants to do that in the united states he wants to build up the united states he gets a peace agreement finally in gaza is that going to hold are there elements in iran are there elements elsewhere in the islamic world are there elements in the globalist networks who don't want that peace to hold who don't want stability who like the terror tax who like all the insurance money off of the threat of terror terror terror and war in the middle east so Trump realizes he's got to evaluate this broader elements and says, we've got to get a dialogue in agreement with Iran. Trump walked with Kim Jong-un. He went hand in hand.

They were holding, practically holding hands walking across the border to North Korea. Trump will talk to anyone. Trump in 27, was it 2017, 2018, met with Putin in Finland. and he was asked a question, do you trust Vladimir Putin more than your intelligence community? Trump basically said, yeah, right now I do. The same intelligence community, he basically, the ones that were trying to run a coup against him,

which he basically equated to like a Nazi intelligence faction in December after his first election, because he could already tell the pressure was up, the Russia gate was already spiraling. So Trump has the courage to talk to any president, any president deemed untouchable, any head of state deemed untouchable by the entire Washington consensus and globalist media networks. And yet for some reason, the Iranians won't talk to them. They won't engage. Maybe it's because their entire regime is premised not on the value of development

of Iran, but on death to America, an ideological commitment sponsored by their British sponsors who now host their real estate holdings in their mansions in London, their Mullah mansions. So I think these are some of the factors that Trump evaluated and said, I can't let this thing go on. Now, I don't have the intelligence. I don't know what was happening, but we do know Iran had 60% grade uranium, about a thousand kilos. They could make 10 bombs. They made it clear. They told this to Whitkoff and Kushner. I mean, the Iranians are tough, but it's like, we've got to not. have we can't have let's put it this one we can't have any type of blow up of middle east conflicts if we're going to sustain a complete shift in the way the entire system of nations on this planet

are organized and i believe what trump is doing is he's ending globalization he's killing it and in some ways he's killing it in iran he's forcing the issue he's forcing russia and china and india and Japan and other nations to say, look, I'm serious. How many times has he called NATO a paper tiger and pointless and useless in this conflict? He's reshaping the old system. He's killing it. And he's basically saying we've got to get to a new system based on a collaboration of nations. We're not going to have regimes like Venezuela in the Western Hemisphere or Iran in the Middle East sitting there as basically cutouts for this globalist ideological faction. So I don't, I mean, I think Iran's a porcupine.

I think it's a hornet's nest. I think this thing, I don't know if Trump can get out of it. I think it's a huge risk. I think the guy's got, you know, brass, you know, brass kind of strength and courage. I thought you're going to say brass balls. Yeah, I mean, that's basically what I'm going to say. I mean, it's just incredible that he got into this. I'm stunned.

he got into it and i trust that what he wants to get out of it is what i'm saying and i'll give you one one metric because people challenge me on this at times i said who killed more iranian civilians the united states or the iranian government in 2026 there's a good chance no i don't know the answer to that i mean i don't know how many civilians were killed in the in the protest in january and i don't know how many were totally killed in this war but there's there's a good chance the Iran regime killed more of its own civilians than we did. So when people say, well, he's killing innocent people. It's like, yeah, I agree.

I don't like that. But let's not pretend innocent people aren't getting killed. Let's not pretend that just because other foreign actors were maybe involved in those protests, it's not a big portion of the Iranian population also protesting. But I think Trump's overall goal of reorganizing the global system is the strategic question. And it defines what a just war is. It's the same reason why the World War II was just.

Because Franklin Roosevelt intended, if we got into World War II, and we ultimately did, and that's what made it a problem, but if we got into World War II saying, we're going to basically defend the British and French empires and Dutch empires, then that wouldn't have been a just war. Because the Nazis and the Japanese,

I mean, the Japanese were literally running, you know, a propaganda campaign saying, we're going to liberate you from the French and British and Dutch. That's what they were saying in Southeast Asia. But a just war is when you're going to create a higher standard of peace, a higher standard of society because of that conflict. I think Trump is actually trying to do that. And that's to me, that's the most you can ask of leadership. You can't second guess everything. But if that's his commitment, I think we've got to support him. at times I'm like okay man yep other times and there's simple things right I mean everybody points to when he's he can say it he was uh red cross but everybody looks at and went why would he post himself as jesus

and then I went that was probably some stupid staffer that did it right thinking he was being clever or whatever I could figure out a bunch of different scenarios and then he's like no I post it you're like you're in the middle of everything you just said let's just assume like everything you just said is bang on okay that's that's that's that's exactly what he's trying to do yeah then he posts that then don't make any sense like that that that's actually is the antichrist yeah well i'm not going that far certainly not but i mean like obviously you listen uh or people listen to shouldn't say you do but lots people listen to tucker carlson right you've seen the fall out there and him attacking every step of the way anything Trump does. I mean, Trump gives them a lot of ammo.

Yeah, I mean, I think, I don't know. I was, you know, you think about the kind of leadership we've had, here's Joe Biden pushing us into near total existential war, complete destruction of our economy. You think about Obama, open border recklessness. You think about Obama, comes And one of the first things Obama did was like, Bush had launched this constellation program, which was to get back to the moon, which is some of the infrastructure we're using for Artemis. First thing, I mean, it wasn't really a commitment from Bush, but it was after the shuttle failure and he launched it to keep morale going. And, but there wasn't a commitment to it.

First thing Obama does when he comes in, kill that. Kill it. You know, we're going for, we're going for Obamacare. we're going for massive bailouts to the banks. We're creating a whole new, you know, quantitative easing regime at the Fed. And so Trump does a post of him, whether he's Jesus or he's a saint.

I mean, it could be St. Trump. But, I mean, it's just like, whatever, dude. It's a picture on a truth post. I really just don't care. So you're saying in today's age where everybody gets their news from online, It's just another post. It's another thing that Trump does.

Well, I mean, in the context of the magnitude of what we're confronting, like the big questions we're facing, like morality comes from your civilization. There's a lot of people that sit in church pews every Sunday. And they ain't doing a dang thing. But looking out for themselves, you know, Monday through Saturday. So here's a guy that put his life and family and fortune on the line to rebuild our country and rebuild a kind of moral foundation within our society. If you're not productive, if you don't have a productive orientation to society, you will collapse. I mean, all these other technological instruments and capabilities and computer capabilities

and mass compute and everything else are incredibly useful. I mean, we're trying to figure out how to tie them more and more into production, but you have to have to But you have to have a commitment towards production to production and exploration. You have to push into the unknown, conceptually, physically, outer space, you name it. But you've got to push boundaries and you've got to be productive. That's where morality comes from. When you had to produce food to eat every day, that was just kind of an obvious thing. But it's still there.

It's an intrinsic part of natural law. So all the things that Trump's doing, and he posts a picture of, him is you know either he's Jesus Christ or a religious saint or a great healer whatever it is I mean you know the guy's got an ego I'm not gonna sit there but I mean how you to endure what he's endured you're gonna have an ego and you need one so whatever if you if you um most of us have uh short memory you know when you when you go back and you talk about Obama Bush Certainly Biden, you know, if I just think of the four years of Biden and how close or how hard maybe is a better way of framing it pushed on all out war, or at least that's what it felt like the quagmire was being built. And now you look at Donald Trump, although, you know, one of the things, and maybe you'll maybe you'll disagree.

I don't, I'll throw it a, you know, one of the things I thought Trump was going to do is he's going to walk in and no wars. I agree with you. It talks to everyone. It's one of the things that, you know, you're quick to forget. Biden didn't talk to Putin for four years. You're like, what are we doing? And then, you know, Donald Trump comes in. He's talking to everybody. I think everybody prefers a president that a world leader, you know,

certainly I sit in Canada, right? So to me, we watch Big Brother downstairs. We'd prefer somebody who's talking to everyone instead of, no, no, no. They're too evil. We're not going to talk to people. That doesn't make any sense to me. But one of the things I thought was going to happen. And once again, maybe this world just doesn't exist was I thought there would be an end of conflicts. I thought there'd be a de-escalation to Russia, Ukraine, to not having war in the Middle East, on and on and on. And what do we have? We have more war.

Yeah. No, it's an unfortunate thing. I wouldn't have. I mean, sometimes I think, that history and every process you look at, human beings, your friends, your own identity, history itself are all defined by ironies. And I think it's one of those kind of strange ironies. I hope it works. Like I don't, you know, it's a hard position to be in that you have to call the shots. And Trump has invested more into Middle East peace than any president in American history. I mean, he's repeatedly engaged these countries. Look at what he's got with Pakistan.

Look at what he's got with Egypt, with Turkey. I mean, he's talked to all of these guys. Indonesia. And so it just to me, it's like, if he's willing to put at risk all of this process, and I don't think he is, right? Because you look at, they're all supporting it. This isn't a war supported by Britain and France.

isn't a war supported by globalist powers. If I were to go back when I was talking with Tom and Susan and Alex, actually, this is a few months ago, one of the things that I thought Tom and Susan point, and I want to say it was Susan pointed out very well, you know, if you go back to Biden and you looked at who was cheerleading that all, you're like, ooh, dude, and then you look at who's not cheerleading it now, it's pretty stark. It's pretty evident, I think. That's a good point. It is. Yeah. And it's not just that they're not supporting. He's got all these other countries supporting it because what's he want? He wants a stable region.

Right? He wants a region that can flourish. That's not a hotbed for constant war. Why? Because the way the globalist had mapped this region out, it was the cockpit of war. That you could basically ignite a war whenever you wanted. And it would and it could, it could, and the fuel would just, it could burn. unending. It'd be like a tire fire. When you say globalists, my brain goes to Britain. Are you meaning something more than that? I'm just curious if I'm jumping different things. Well, I just don't think that, I mean, Britain ran a globalist empire and ran the world on that basis for like 200 years. So it still has, it still has all the institutions and reflexes. that support this kind of globalist orientation. But it's Brussels.

It's, I mean, globalization empowered corporations. That's what it did. It empowered, I mean, look, China became a major dominant power. There's a lot of political influence and weight in China towards globalism. They liked the free trade. They liked this green energy agenda. I mean, they don't necessarily apply it to themselves. Well, they don't apply. They don't. Yeah, they're making hand over fist. So in some sense,

you know, I think that it's, it's, it's always been like it's, it's always been an ideology. It's not like it's a location. It's not like it's, I mean, it's an ideology that has, has deep roots in the city of London. It has deep roots in the monarchy representing politically this, this political interest. But I mean, so I just think it's a, it's, Britain is definitely involved. The city of London is key. Brown is key, but then there's, you know, there's a broader ideological outlook. We've got all kinds of globalists in Washington. Yeah, when you, when you point to China liking the green agenda, I chuckle at that because it's like, yeah, of course they like it. They send off all this stuff. We buy it all up. We're killing our industry, right? I'm not speaking in the United States. I'm speaking directly to Canada. You know, it's like, oh, we're going to get rid of all of our of coal, which good or bad, it doesn't matter.

We get so much natural gas and oil and a whole bunch of other key minerals. And what are we doing? Well, let's keep it in the ground. We're going to go green. We're going to electrify everything. And where does that come from China? What is China doing? None of that.

You're like, that, sure, they can be all for it because they're making money on it. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Which is, you know, I mean, I'm not going to sit here and say China hasn't been smart about how to build up its own capacity. But there's also kind of myths that somehow China has ended poverty in China. Half of China's population is still living on less than $5 a day. And that was the former prime minister of China who said that, Lee Kuchung. So, you know, there's a kind of ideology that is content with much of the world living in a kind of impoverished condition.

And I just don't think that's the American way. So where do you see this going to going then. I mean, it's hard to know, right? I think it's Susan, well, I think I've heard both you kind of inter, you know, going into Iran. That's, that's an interesting. The risky move. Risky, thank you. Risky move. Yeah, it was a big risk. Like, I mean, it's still like, I'm still stunned he took it. And I don't know how he's going to get out of it entirely. But where do I think it's going? Like broad picture or Iran? Broad picture. Because right now, unless you disagree, you don't see Iran ending tomorrow. Like I haven't heard or read anything that says, oh, it's going to end in the next five days.

Yeah, no. I mean, it's hard to say. It doesn't look like it is. I mean, I think there's a number of different assessments, but it doesn't look like it per se. I think that it's it's a tough Iran's a really tough nut to crack on this because you know the the ongoing attacks on them have just given the regime a sense that it's kind of all or nothing they're just not going to concede or make a deal and they've premised their entire regime on death to America so what they're going to make like an equal and fair deal with America now that's how that's going to work I don't know if that's even within their framework of possibility because what trump's offering is join the system of nations and we're going to apply the american system and you're going to have one of the most powerful and vibrant nations in

the world because they would there's no doubt huge oil huge natural gas reserves very talented capable population extensive civilization good good geography you know good location So I think the long-term question is we're killing globalism. We're killing globalization. And the question everyone's asking is, what's the new system? I think the new system is fairly clear. The question is, can we sustain the offer in the United States? Do we sustain our own American system regime here so that it can be a sustainable offer to the rest of the world?

It's a system of sovereign nations thriving on American system economic principles. There are going to be differences. There's going to be problems. There's going to be other things that are going to come up that we're going to have to address. But that system was threatened after World War II for the first time. Before World War II, there was not a world of nations. There was a world of largely broad regions and territories. A lot of it was colonial control.

So the system of nations we take for granted only comes into existence after World War II. But the United States' own commitment to the American system is totally compromised. So it's not really there, the spirit of it. It's there in form, you know, boundaries are drawn in Southeast Asia to carve up Vietnam and Laos and Cambodia, you know, eventually. Indonesia, Thailand, and all this. Africa's, you know, boundaries are drawn. But the spirit of it isn't there. So can the United States now, we're reviving the spirit in our own country, can we offer

that spirit to the rest of the world? If we can, I think that's what's going to sustain the new system. But it's not like it's a foregone conclusion. The globalists recognize that they can prevent the United States from off rate. Nobody else is going to. Everybody else is just going to adapt and react to whatever the circumstances are. No other nation is going to take the leadership. I'm breathing, breathing life into a system of nations because it's not intrinsic to their own political culture.

That's not how they came into existence. It's just a different. That's why the United States is a different kind of country. You think Trump can sustain it in his own country? Once again, don't sit in the United States. Just sit above it. watch. And you see, it's Tom who once put the thought in my head and I've, I've never, well, it was a good thought. And that was, you know, no country is a monolith, right? No country thinks

all the same. They're not the Borg. And you look at the United States and like, I just see fractures right now. And but maybe I'm wrong on that thought. And when you talk about sustainability, I'm like, can Trump sustain it in his own country? Well, there's two questions. I mean, when saving, holding the house, I don't know. That's going to be tough, but I mean, every, every effort is being taken to do that. And the Democrats have a horrible bench. You see that in California's governor race. Take, for example, the UAW. They're loving what Trump's doing. You're just loving it. UAW? United Auto Workers, right? So he's whack in Mexico left and right for violating union terms and exploiting cheap way cheap labor i mean his trade rep jameson greer's you know he's

got reports all the time they're whacking another company in mexico you're violating the trade deal you're not maintaining labor rights and and fair wages that we agreed upon so you know because that you know that's the whole question so as much as it's fractured it's fractured mostly in the media and in upper layer populations because they're committed to to what they're committed to making sure that stock market goes up these financial assets keep going up they're not interested in the boom of manufacturing in biden's four years manufacturing wages went down a thousand dollars per year for in total over the four years for a manufacturing worker in trump they've gone up about twenty four hundred dollars already first 15 months so a person who's a blue

color American. They're like, this could work. So it's not as fractured as we think, except you have a lot of the population, which I would say has been bribed by central bank printing, money printing, right? That was the whole nature of the game. The trickle down, the trickle down economy, the trickle down effect was just a bribery. We're going to print trillions and trillions of dollars. We're going to bribe all of you into kind of supporting this racket because your money just came so easy. Why not? And yet, if you're the part of the lower 60, 70% of the population, you're like, well, I'm not seeing that. So the question is, can Trump recruit, you know, the broader population? I think we can, whether we hold the house or not in September, I don't know.

I think as a presidential election in 28, I think the economy is going to keep getting hotter and better. The platform has been set to bring in manufacturing. The platform is set to do a massive energy buildout, which is your key. key upstream factor. And I think the economy is going to be looking really strong for American producers and companies going into 28. And so it's really going to be a question, can you maintain a shift in the regime? It's a regime change in the United States. Totally. Right? The last 10 years have been a regime change war, political war in the United States. And I think we're winning it. I think we're recruiting the population. I don't think we have that 60% majority of the voting population yet.

on our side, but I think we can get it. You raise an interesting thought that the upper part of society, which I've never really considered myself to be, because I definitely don't make millions upon millions of dollars, but I'm not living off $5 a day either, right? So I don't know where that puts me. But when you're talking about like the workers, the blue collar class,

they're not staring at what's being said in the media because everybody is rightfully so distrustful of, mainstream media. They're just like, this is, I'm tired of hearing, you know, the garbage, right? So then they go into the alternative space. And there's lots of different parts in the alternative space that are voices on all sides of the coin. But if they look in their bank account and they're making more money, that's a pretty good idea of where, you know, it's hard to not notice that, I guess, is what I'm saying. Oh, yeah, that's going to have a real effect. And, you know, Trump has taken. taking actions right now it's on the meat industry right so he just did an antitrust case he just

launched an antitrust investigation on the beef packing and beef prices have gone up 50% since COVID there's four there's four packers they control about 85% of the market economists will say once you have 60% share you're pretty much controlling the market pricing they're going after a company called agrastats which is a common kind of entity in American economy today. They provide centralized data for the meat industry, poultry, pork, and turkey. And they basically allow all of these separate firms, the meat packing firms, to know how to price to maximize profits. So they're basically providing them with a cartel-like monopoly, even though it seems just like a private firm doing data assessment.

or something. So the DOJ is going after them. That's in every part of American society. There's middlemen in the pharmaceutical industries. There's control on pharmaceuticals. There's control on housing construction. We've consolidated to where there's like five big, you know, Wall Street traded housing builders. Same in the defense contracting, right? You've got one firm that produces a bolt the F-16 can't fly without. And they're just charging you 900% profit on that bold. So this whole thing has become a racket to have the DOJ. I think getting rid of Pam Bondi was a breath of fresh air. I think this DOJ is taking aggressive action. Peter Navarro has been on top of this and breaking up some of this kind of price control where you're screwing the rancher, like in the

meat case, you're screwing the rancher. You're giving him a low price for the cattle and you're charging a maximum price by lowering supply to the consumer. And I think that's the breaking that up is going to be a big factor as well. You know, when you talk domestically, I'm like, yeah, all that makes sense. Like all of what he's doing domestically, if I was living in the United States, I go, for the most part, it makes sense. It's when you go internationally where I'm like, you know, Iran was risky. I feel like it was risky. It might have been beyond risky. Super risky. I mean, I'm not going to deny that. That was. Do you sit back and go, if he would have just focused domestic, or you couldn't have one without the other.

I know, I forget, I want to say it was Tucker talked about, there's, there's two major things you've got to watch with the president. One is, um, the economy and the other one's foreign policy. I may be butchering that a little bit. I was like, oh, that's an interesting

thought. I mean, foreign policy, I never pay attention. No, that's a lie. I do with Carney. Forgive me, Canadians, I do. I was just sitting there going, I don't really, and then I'm like, no, wait a second, I do. We're aligning more and more with Europe, come on. And so I go, domestically,

everything you just talked about, I'm like, that actually makes sense. You want to talk about red tape. I think Canadians know all about red tape and how to, you know, to almost tie your own shrew, Mike, we've got to have somebody come and approve it, right? It's a bit ridiculous. And what do you see?

You see investment fleeing from Canada. The only type of investment coming to Canada seems to be government-backed. And even then, after they grab the handouts, they seem to move on or find different ways to shell it away. So when you talk to Meskla, I'm like, yeah, actually, that makes a ton of sense what Trump is doing. It's the international quagmire where I'm like, I don't know, but maybe he needed both to, in order to do what he wanted on the United States internally. Well, that's, to me, that's the, you can't look at

this foreign policy. I think you're asking the right question, which is how I think of it also, which is, okay, there's a contradiction here. There's a paradox. What he was doing domestically just lines up in so many ways. Why did he get involved in this? And the only reason that I would propose is that he saw the threat of a disruption in the Middle East coming out of Iran into places like Gaza, into, I mean, that was obviously going to be the one place that if it blew up again, it could just spill over. they saw that is a threat enough that would destabilize. Because what he can't, what he has to avoid,

it goes back to like the first nation of France, like, you know, 1400s. France becomes a nation. I think Louis XI, the so-called Spider-King, what's he do? He basically bribes armies that want to invade to not invade. He's got a stop of full-scale war. And so I think Trump recognized,

I can't allow a major war to erupt, that we then have to deploy into it. And you could say, well, Israel might launch it. You might say Iran could launch it, whatever it was. I don't know what his assessment was. That would justify him saying, I'm going to take a preemptive action. Now, the question is, does this preemptive action work? I mean, I'm sure hope it does.

Let's Gaza. Why would, because like, A, everybody knows this. I've never been to Gaza, okay? So I'm not going to sit here and act like I know everything about that area of the world. How does God, because like, people are dying in Gaza right now, or they were. Yeah, they're still, I mean, they're not doing great. They're not doing great.

So when you go, he has to stop Gaza. I go, how does that spill over into, I fully understand the Middle East, the quagmire of the Middle East and how that area of the world, especially how they've, you know, I don't know if you just go back to when they drew the lines and, and, and, that's where it starts. If it goes way back, it probably goes way back. But like, when you bring up Gaza, I'm like, okay, but how does going into Iran stop that? I mean, it already started. Hadn't it? Well, there's two different factors to Gaza. So there's the, why did it, why was it so prolonged? Right, which is what a lot of people felt like, well, if Trump was really going to stop the Gaza war,

why don't he pull the rug underneath Netanyahu right away? And the big thing for Trump was, we don't negotiate with terrorists, which is a common policy and principle, right? So they held the hostages. As soon as Ghaz, as soon as Hamas gave up the hostages, Trump was going to shut down the war. And you see that, you see the kind of gang counter gang involved. I mean, it's somewhat notorious. Netanyahu was funding Hamas. Hamas is a kind of a Muslim brotherhood, kind of British intel type of network. And the idea of perpetual war in the region of conflict was in, from the October 7th attacks. Once that happened, you're like, okay, this is going to be brutal.

You just saw it. So I don't know what intelligence Trump had on the broader sense of what Iran was doing. I mean, when he came down the escalator, as I mentioned, and he laid out this kind of economic agenda, which was, it was like Franklin Roosevelt, John Kennedy, here's what we're going to do. He said the one thing he said, and he said it since, I guess, the early 80s, Iran can't have a nuclear weapon. And they're clearly pursuing a capability of not only a nuclear weapon, but a deliverable one. And that's, I think that was a factor for Trump in this process and dynamic. But I think the underlying factor for me is that it's not a regime he could even negotiate and

talk with. Even the negotiations they would have in various places were always mediated, right? There were never as a city in a room talking. Trump never talked to the Ayatoll. As far as I'm, as far as I know, you could maybe present evidence that he did, but. Yeah, for a guy who talks to everyone, that seems significant, doesn't it? Seems like a big deal. When you say, look, because all you have to basically say is, look, I'm willing to work with you. I mean, remember how bad it was?

I mean, it wasn't bad or not, but it was rhetoric was pretty hot with Kim Jong-un. My button's bigger than yours. like, dude, this is a little weird. Everyone was kind of freaked out. No one knew exactly what Trump was first year and off. And we all know nobody talks to Kim. I mean, there's only like, what, two or three, once again, it could be more than two or three countries. But overall, North Korea is like, you don't talk to him. Yeah. Yeah, it's not like a, it's not like a super friendly place for people. Yeah. But Trump was like, let's talk. And Trump just didn't talk. He went and did a whole PR campaign. He basically went and shook hands,

walked into north korea they were buddies rocket man so all trump was looking for is for an iranian regime and i think he's still looking for this which is the israelis don't like i don't know if you know if the gulf countries like it trump isn't looking for a regime that basically will genuflect and become submissive to israel or the gulf countries he's looking for a regime that will work with the united states that will talk to us that will engage with us now some people people could say, well, that's not what's good for the world because the United States is the most reckless and evil power on the planet. It's like, well, that's the reason why we've made, as a Promethean group and with LaRouche, always a clear focus. It's the British question.

Because the British question, as much as it's not, not, the British empire is not, I mean, Britain can't even pull together one boat for a NATO exercise. So, you know, it's not like, you know, the British, this is the British. But the, um, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, It wasn't, the United States remains one of the most important and positive forces for the good in the world. The system of nation states that exist today, the potential to bring those nation states

into a sense of sovereignty and rapid economic development today exists because of the United States. And Trump is reviving that tradition here. So when he says, I need a regime in Iran that will talk to us and will engage and will put down the drive for nuclear weapons because there won't be a need for it we'll be have collaboration we'll undo the

sanctions we'll open up your bank accounts you guys can start to really develop you can build the water infrastructure you need like let's get this thing moving prosperity raise the boats give people a sense that the ideological war against the big bad american satan is over trump was looking for that kind of shift and that to me seems totally rational that a president who's waging war against the kind of warmonger global inside our own country politically, to the risk of his own life, would be able to say to another country, knock it off. This is real. We're trying to solve the problems of the world after 50 years of near total destruction into a kind of, you know, horrible dark age. And Iran's like, nah, screw you. It's like, what? Let's have a conversation. No, talk to our foreign minister

through a mediator who won't even, because we won't even sit in the same room with you. We would talk to Hamas. We talked to Hamas directly. And this is why the Palestinian Authority denounced Iran in this environment. You know, because it's just Iran is not willing to demonstrate a sense that they want to get on board with what the United States is now offering.

We're not offering reckless war. We're not offering religious war. with Islam. Trump has spent the last nine years organizing the Islamic community around a sense of going back to nation states, going back to prosperity, that we're not playing that game anymore. Now you can say, well, maybe it won't hold. But yeah, maybe it won't hold. But if you work with Trump, there's a very good chance it's going to hold. And that's kind of how I see it at least, that working, talking tough to the Iranians to get them on board with this is critical to pull the world together and break this kind of chain lock of this globalization globalist green climate cult

perpetual war constant geopolitics bizarre cultural trends we're going to kill that whole kind of satanic beast yeah i was just going to say the only thing is it isn't tough talk there's definitely i mean how many bombs have been dropped on iran the thing about the strait of hormuz being shut down or locked or certainly not the flow that it once had is it's forcing it on to all cultures right now, right? Like when you look at some of the different people trying to break down the importance of the Strait of Hermoism and what it's doing to the entire world is it's forcing everybody's hand all at the same time. I mean, look at the energy crisis is happening in parts of the world that should not have energy crisis. Exactly. I mean, like take, just take,

again, let's just beat up the UK a little bit more. They're freaking out. I mean, the energy prices are going up, and this is happening all over the world. How many nations and their leaders genuflected to the green climate cult? All of them. What's the one leader in the world who basically gave a middle finger to that entire climate cult, President Donald Trump? So what's killing the world today is that the choke point of Hormuz or the climate

the cult agenda that has taken deep root over the last 35 years. It's an ideology. Yeah. I mean, don't get me wrong. I still look at Iran and I go, man, I don't know what the heck he's doing there. Yeah. I mean, I agree. I'm like, man, like, hope he can make this work, dude.

This is a tough one. But when you look at the, when you take a step back and you take all emotion out of it, you look at, I just look at our own country. I don't understand that ideology. It doesn't make any sense to me. I understand protecting the climate, being respectful to, you know, the place you live, sure. But then you look at the world and how it operates and we're going to attack that and have, you know, I mean, we've got to, I mean, the prime minister right now is Mark Kearney. Just go check out his book.

Go go look at the policies that were being put in place under Trudeau. And then you just, you just take our little snapshot. out of it here in Canada and you go to other places in the world and you say the same agenda being played out over and over and over again. Yeah. Nations, nations, entire nations have been committing mass suicide. Well, I mean, not because they believed it, but because they were willing to go along with it. Look at Japan. Japan's in a massive demographic crisis. You think this is going to snap everybody out or for it? It already is. Japan's already shifting. Japan's already basically said, we're changing the whole central bank routine. We're not going to

be the big money printing. We're not going to live off debt. We've got to go back to industrial production and growth and a sense of cultural integrity and, you know, economic reality. The nations that are more available are snapping out of it. I mean, Europe's going to be hard. I think South American countries are viable. But, you know, we've got a lot of, like, look at Mexico. Mexico's got huge, huge corruption with the narcos. We just indicted like nine or ten Mexican politicians. Mexico's totally freaked out. But we're saying, look, you've got a whole regime of politicians who are in the pockets

of the narcos. You've got a compromised state. It's like a 50-50 power balance in Mexico. And this didn't exist 40 years ago. The globalists have really taken and destroyed a lot of nations and built up a lot of problems. And how do you undo that? You've just got to get economic growth going.

while you actually use the police measures to clean it up. You know, carrot and stick, man. Carrot and stick, but it is an ideology. And ideology is, well, you can see it when you talk to people, right? There's certain people who get, it doesn't have to be able to Trump. It can be, you can go something way more simple than that here in Canada. And you can see it when you talk to people. Some people are fully in line with what's going on as we, I mean, just there is,

way too many things going on here in Canada right now to even, you know, begin to like chart it out. It's pretty wild to be a part of actually. And you go, how do you get rid of that? Well, leadership would be one. But then once you're in, you still have to deal with a huge portion of the population that's, well, voted in the other side. I mean, we still got liberals after 10 plus years. I didn't think that was possible. I literally did not think that was possible. Well, it's just a lack of leadership from the other side in a coherent way. But, you know, it's, we were, I mean, that's kind of why I'm backing Trump, even any, even in Iran. I mean, I can see that I can see great potentials out of this Iran situation, positive potentials.

I mean, I see the downside risk for sure. Everybody does. But the reality is, is that, I mean, it was a second to midnight here. And if the United States brought in Hillary Clinton or. or Kamala Harris. And that was the regime that we were going to go with. I mean, the whole world was going to see a kind of population and demographic crisis. People were ready to sell the farm, give up.

Turn tail, just go along with a total cult agenda, mutilating teenagers over some kind of gender cult phenomena. Massive drugs, massive open border policies, massive welfare fraud, just complete destruction, massive central bank money printing, nonstop, whatever you need, green climate, massive spending, huge government job growth, sucking out the private sector, no housing construction, no major infrastructure, no power plants. I mean, it was just, and that's the United States. Imagine these other countries. What was Africa going to do? What was South America going to do?

These poorer parts of the world. Well, you basically outline Canada. Yeah, right. And that's the thing. And so Trump has kind of given a lifeline to every. every nation on the planet. And I think he's offering that same lifeline to Iran. The problem is Iran is such an ideological death cult.

They'd rather go down in a blaze of glory than take the lifeline. But Canada is not far. When you say, well, it's funny because, you know, I sit here in Canada and I go, I don't think it's that. I don't think it's, how can I say this? I think there's a lot of people who don't want what is going on. and I assume Iran is the same way. There's a lot of people that are not for one way or another.

They could be against Trump. There's lots of those. And there could be those for Trump or somewhere in the middle. But there is a lot of people that have given up hope or can't see any hope in the future right now. It's a very, well, it's a very dark time. Yeah, I think that's kind of our message from Promethean action is we got to bring in the light. you got to let the light in because you've got to you've got to call upon people's better better angels better talents and bring them into the fight you can't let people kind of die in the

kind of dismal depression which is the entire point of this whole globalist ideology crush the spirit crush the human spirit what do you think uh you know once again i i bring up tucker mainly because you know he's a guy that champion there was a whole bunch that championed running for re-election. What do you make of the, the, the, the, the, you know, probably Candace. I don't know. Those two are, are names that are, Nick Fuentes comes up, you know, I, I'm, once again, Tucker is a guy I watched, I started watching.

It's not like I watched him all my life. I started watching him in the middle of COVID because it was just like sitting in Canada. I was like, what are we doing? I just need somebody that's got a resemblance of something sane. Let's hear it. And you've seen Tucker go from backing everything Trump does to now calling out everything. You've got Candace roughly the same, I would say. Maybe I'm a little off there.

Nick Fuentes, I mean, he goes scorched earth on pretty much everyone at this point. Sitting on your side, talking to the people you do. What do you, like, what do you make of that? Well, some of these people are just entertainers. I mean, I think Candace is kind of like the offspring of Alex Jones and Oprah Winfrey. You know, I just think that that's just what that is. So, you know, that's what she's going to do. She's just going to be that kind of attention get her.

Alex Jones, same way. A lot of people kind of, they don't necessarily understand what we're dealing with, what they're confronting when they deal with politics. politics. It's a much, it's a much more deep, you know, your soul has to be ready to confront this. If you haven't gone through, like, if you haven't really thought through what you're about to jump into, and I wonder myself of like, am I ready to be out here doing interviews and talking? Like, you know, this is, this gets a little bit, it's one thing to get out there and organize and deal with it, but are you really ready to say like people should listen to me?

Because this is not, this is not a sandbox, right? We're not running toy trucks here. And, you know, you know stealing each other's toys this is like the fate of human existence hinges because we're at a we're at a tough spot like we said we're you know trump we were on the precipice when trump comes in you know nick fuentes is a court jester he's just an entertainer he's going to be that guy he wants to be no he wants to be famous and considered important by any means and he like politics that's how i see it i think tucker's a little bit different than the other guys um he did a such a remarkable job breaking down russia gate um if you didn't you know if you watched that at all and it was heroic what he did to like adam shift was just massive and he just he just had brass

balls i'll say it this time right but he just had him he was tough i think that part of my my my hypothesis with tucker is they got to his family and he just basically said all right fine i'm just going to get the heck out of this in some ways there's some other problems. He's a country club kid for a long time that doesn't prepare you for a political war. But, you know, Tucker was really, was really solid on some key points. So maybe he'll come back around. We'll see. Is there anything at this point, just curious, that Trump could do where you go, oh crap, something's, something's turned. I don't mean that anything up to this point, just, is there anything you're making sure you pay attention to where you're like,

Something has changed. Man, it's one of those things. You know, like, COVID was so crazy. So one thing that came to mind would be like, would I, would there be any circumstance or I wouldn't denounce Trump for doing a massive bailout of Wall Street? But COVID was so loony

that they just ushered in this like massive, you know, the Fed just went into a hyperprinting. It made 2010 look like, you know, like a sandbox. So, and I don't sit here and say, well, like, you know, shame on you. They launched an entire global lockdown of the entire world, you know, after leaking a virus they created into China, whether it was the lab or whether it was an intel deployment, whatever it was. And I think a large portion of it was that they saw this as a way of shutting down Trump. Because he was probably guaranteed to be reelected.

And so I just think it's a question of the circumstances. And if he gives up fighting, I mean, here's the basic answer. If he stopped fighting. If he just gave in, if he caved, if he keeps fighting, he's going to make mistakes. But if he keeps fighting, I'll back him all the way because that's what warfare requires. People say specifically Netanyahu in that circle of political operatives, for lack of better term are the ones controlling what Trump does. Do you give that any entertainment? No. I think it's desperation on Netanyahu's part while he visits him eight times.

I think Netanyahu is Trump has given Netanyahu a political lifeline. And the reason Trump has, because if you look at the so-called opposition, you look at Neftali Bennett, these guys are, Neftali Bennett is giving Netanyahu's regime a hard time for not supporting the settlers in the West Bank enough. And that's the centrist opposition. So I think people, people, I mean, Netanyahu was the extreme right when he came into office in the late 90s. You know, Ariel Sharon was a kind of reprieve. But Israeli politics is gone off the Richter. So I just, I think, I think Netanyahu is trying to control it. I think Trump has good intelligence and assessment on that situation. And he's trying to figure out how to deal with this crazy, crazy cockpit of war that the globalists have built over a century in the Middle East.

Do you think Trump could just come out and talk about it? Or is that not allowed? You don't do that. You don't do that because when you're making executive decisions, you want to have the greatest possible latitudes. You don't go around justifying why you made this one decision because you might all of a sudden change it. You can't keep sitting there and saying, well, yeah, I said all that, but I really didn't mean it. So you just make decisions. You keep it.

You keep your cards close to your chest. You have a small group of advisors. I mean, the level of the lack of leaks in this administration and how Trump has put an assistance on this, even these negotiations with Iran, Trump is regaining a kind of control to be able to make the kind of necessary strategic decisions that solve real problems. And so, yeah, I don't expect him to come out.

I mean, I'm sure he has, I'm sure he could, but that's just not his tendency. He's also a guy that just ran his own company, right? He's ran his own small real estate, but was small in terms of personnel, right? So he's just not a guy that goes around explaining himself. But I think it's, I think that's a strength in the environment, in the media environment he's in. I saw Robert Kennedy when he was campaigning for president, try to be much more kind of engage and explain how he was thinking. didn't work out very well.

So I think the media environment and the political environment, I think for a European audience, for a Canadian audience, it may work better, you may need that. But America has a certain cultural characteristic to it, and Trump knows it well. Appreciate you hopping on. You got any final things you want to make sure the audience knows before I let you out of here?

Yeah, people should check out Prometheanaction. It was great to talk, Sean. This was a lot of fun. I appreciate it.