Shaun Newman Podcast - #1059 - Tom Luongo & Alex Krainer #24

Episode Date: May 21, 2026

We discuss Thomas Massie, ARC (America/Russia/China) and Trump.Tom Luongo is a former research chemist, amateur dairy goat farmer, libertarian, and economist whose work can be found on Zero Hedge and Newsmax Media. He hosts the Gold Goats ‘n Guns Podcast.Alex Krainer is a Croatian national, former hedge fund manager, author and contributing editor at Zero Hedge. Watch the Cornerstone Forum 26’https://shaunnewmanpodcast.substack.com/Silver Gold Bull Links:Website: https://silvergoldbull.ca/Email: [e-mail] Grahame: [phone]Bow Valley Credit UnionBitcoin: www.bowvalleycu.com/en/personal/investing-wealth/bitcoin-gatewayEmail: [e-mail] Expat MoneyExpatmoney.com/SNPGet your voice heard: Text Shaun 587-217-8500

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You can check it all out down in the show notes. And then finally we got the Caleb Taves and Renegade Acres community spotlight. I brought up Zeb's performance restoration a little while. while ago. They're outfitting the road trip, the S&P road trip over the next year with a unit to make sure we safely

do it, pull the trailer. So my shout out to Zeeves, it's been pretty cool to see what he's doing and his father. You may remember Brian Southgate on the podcast. Ooh, a blue color roundtable from a few years ago. And then so a ton of time and respect

for what's going on with Zane and his father, Brian, and how they're partnering with the show and we're going to have some fun there. The other thing I wanted to bring up is as we get close, you know, like my trip across Canada down the east coast of the States, I'm looking to find some hidden gems. I don't know what better way to say it than that. Maybe it's a community pillar. Maybe you got somebody down the road for me and you're like, you should interview this guy when you come through. And I'm looking for suggestions. So I'm throwing it out to all of you, the audience. If you've,

got people that along Canada to begin with, you know, Alberta, Saskatchewan into Manitoba, you're like, you should be talking to X, Y, Z. I'm taking your suggestions right now. You can either email it to me, Sean Newman Podcast at gmail.com. You can also text it to me, my number's down on the show notes, and just a little background on them, because I'd love to put out, you know, well, I want to put this out more because as I get closer to the trip, I'm hoping to run into some people that I normally wouldn't. And I want your wisdom, your guys' thoughts, you're going to know a person or two that I'm going to meet along the way or would be in my vicinity.

So I'm taking the audience's suggestions here as we get ready for the road trip and would love to hear some of your thoughts. You got some ideas. By all means, throw them to me. And I won't sit here and say, I'm going to get to each and every one. But I would love to, you know, find some hidden gems across Canada and certainly down the United States and you find folks have helped me track down a lot. So you've got a community member. You're like, you've got to do one on this person. They're amazing. Or maybe just somebody,

you know, I don't know. I honestly can't. You all know interesting people. Well, hit me up because I want to hear your thoughts. All right. Let's get on the tale of the tape. Our first guest is a former research chemist, amateur dairy goat farmer, libertarian, an economist whose work can be found on Zero Hedge and Newsmax Media. He, he hopes. He host the Gold Goats and Guns podcast. The second, a Croatian national, former hedge fund manager, author, and contributing editor at Zero Hedge. I'm talking about Tom Luongo and Alex Craneer. So buckle up. Here we go. Welcome to the Sean Newman podcast today. I'm joined by Tom Luongo and Alex Craneer. Gentlemen, welcome back. How are you? What's going on? I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm,

I'm, I'm, I'm, in mourning over the Sabres losing to the Canadian ends, because as an old, as an old, as an old, as an old hater of all things the original six in the NHL and an old islander's fan I hate the Canadians regardless of whether I mean it didn't matter who they were playing other than maybe Boston

or were the Red Wings like I would be you know I would be against the Canadians or Philadelphia but you know that my Sabres lost in seven games on a kind of a soft goal and overtime

it was a soft goal it was a soft goal that goal he wants it back yeah he doesn't he threw it yeah looking and threw his frigging helmet down the down the down the gangway

He knew it was a bad goal. Alex, you want to try them in on some thoughts on the NHL? Yeah, it's awesome. Sorry. But, you know, I mean, but the story of the morning, of course, we've been doing this on Wednesday is that we had the most expensive primary in the United States Donald Trump's way last night. And I've been tracking this story, the conversion of Thomas Massey for three years.

And I'm ecstatic this morning. It wipes the whole savers thing away because this guy I identified a long time ago was batten for a different team. And I think it's the team that we all hate, which is London. And I know I'm in the minority on this, but like it keeps proving it over and over and over again. Obstructing any kind of, any kind of, of, you know, forward motion. And it started when he was like, you know, it started when he started, bringing his end-the-fed bullshit to the table while the, well, Powell was literally raising interest rates and, and, you know, trying to get rid of, you know, trying to actually prosecute

monetary policy in a way that was, I don't know, pro-American and for the first time ever, and like, you could just see it. And he and Rand Paul have been playing this game for a long, long time, and I'm completely over it. And as a former libertarian, I know exactly what the, what the gig is and what the drift is. But, you know, I know other people have different opinions on but I'm like, I'm watching it going. This is good. Like all the right people are crashing out this morning, every one of them. So I'm happy.

Is it true that 100% of candidates endorsed by Trump all won their primaries? 37 than nothing. Yeah. That's interesting, isn't it? It was, I mean, and we're talking like Supreme Court judges in Georgia. Joe, we're talking, I think Ben Raffisberger and the big one, this is the big one. And I think this is the big tell this morning for Kentucky was not just that Massey lost, but it was that Mitch McConnell's replacement lost.

Mitch McConnell's handpicked replacement lost his primary as well. Trump backed the other guy, Andy Barr won. That's a big deal. because this is like, so what I'm getting at here is that you now have in two weeks, you have Trump likely to get three senators in a primary. That has not happened since FDR. This is akin to a political upheaval of the size of the parliament in Britain overriding John Majors called to go with Obama into Syria back in 2013. team, which is the day I like to call the day I became a geopolitical analyst. And I like woke up and realized, oh, my God, there's something, there's something in the

world is fundamentally changing. And it's that got us Brexit. Then it got us, you know, it got us all these things that happen. And this is a big deal. You're changing over, you know, three senators. And it's a big deal. Don't question. It's a massive.

Sure. Sure. 37 to zero. Are we talking just the primaries, or does that number 37 include other kinds of political appointees, candidates? Yeah, from what I understand, this is primary season, right, for the United States, right? So when we're watching closed primaries, closed and open primaries, most of these are closed primaries, right? And for the people who don't know, closed primaries are ones where in states we have a closed primary, only Republicans can vote in a Republican primary, open primaries, anybody can vote.

Okay. And there's a lot of, you know, and this is part of the reason why you can't really talk about party registration very hard in some places because, for example, my wife is registered as the Democrat because she voted for Tulsi Gabbard in the in the 2020 Democratic primaries, right? And I mean, like, and then never changed her political affiliation. I'm still registered to a Republican down in Florida because I wanted to vote for Ron Paul. 12 years ago and I've never 14 years ago I never went back and changed the libertarian or

independent or anything like that you like you know your voting records are not um you know that's just the it's just the reality of the thing um because don't dumb question from a dumb question from a Canadian sure here here in say like Alberta with the UCP Daniel Smith being in you have to renew your membership every I think it's I think you can well it could be every year or it could be every three years type thing and you buy a membership. Is that not the case with Republicans and Democrats? No, all that happens in the United States

is that being a member of the party, a paid member of the party is different than what you declare on your voter registration card. Okay, there is no, you just, you declare your party on your voter registration card to decide which primary you're going to vote in if you live in a closed primary state. And you just signal your intentions

to the Secretary of State. But it has no bearing whatsoever. You're not a member of the Republican Party by registering as a Republican in the state of Florida with the supervisor of elections or the Secretary of State. You know, you want to become a member

of the Republican Party. You have to go and buy a membership, you know. Just like, I mean, I used to pay dues. I used to be a dues-paying member the Libertarian Party in Florida, right? And I had to re-up every year and give them some money and, you know, and all that.

That's different. Those two things are different. I can be a paid member of the Libertarian Party and registered as a Republican. Okay. And then going back to Massey for a second, because I know people are going to think you're insane, Tom, for saying that you're happy about it. You've already mentioned you're in the minority. Walk me through, or the audience, or Alex, sorry, why you're against Massey. Walk me through the last three years of Fallon and why you go, this is a big win. You see, look, for a long time, I was a Thomas Maskey fan. Like, I was a libertarian like everybody else. And he was kind of the second coming of Ron Paul.

Like, he was the next generation of Ron Paul to come through the thing. And when he's in opposition, and when you're in opposition, right, when the Uniparties in charge, absolutely, be Ron Paul, be a stick in the mud, be the only boat against everything. Like, it's a good look to stand on principle. But when you get an opportunity to win, right, and it puts some political wins on the board. Remember, politics is the art of the possible, not the part, not the, you know, not the art of the principle. Then you step back for a minute.

You get into power and you do what you can get done. And you don't stand on principle because you do as much as you can. And then, you know, then you do what's going to be done. And, you know, J.D. Vance was quite eloquent about this. It was a video of him going around saying, look, I talked to Thomas about this. I said, we need you to do these things and we need you to be a grown-up on all these things. And he refused to do so. Now, when this, for me, my hackles get up when I start watching people at this,

inopportune times, right? Say the wrong thing. put the wrong bill in place, make the wrong move. Back in 2023, when we were raising interest rates and we were imposing our will on the global dollar markets, and Massey went out there with his typical every 18 months. And there's only, he would only do this at very inopportune times. Like he puts forth another bill to end the Fed

and made a big splash about it, a big stink about it. Rand Paul, the other libertarian in the Senate from Kentucky, should be part of the same caucus, didn't do so. That was a tell to me. And I'm like, is there something going on here? Right. And then there's all of the other stuff that started happening afterwards, which is his whole makeover from, you know,

Mousie engineer from MIT to 19th century statesman with the three-piece suit and the beard and all the, and all the, I, like, I, like, and then the staunch opposition to Trump. And once it started down the path of, I'm the only non-A-PAC guy in Congress after 10-7, and you guys know that I've been very skeptical of the whole, oh my God, all of a sudden Israel,

it's okay to complain about the Jews, and it's okay to complain about Israel. And that went from underground to Aida in like no time flat. And to me that's a tell as well. There's like an intelligence operation thing happening there. If it was just kind of organic and a little bit happening slowly, they'd be a different story.

They let it off on the gas a little bit, but they didn't. They like turned it up to 11, like four days after 10-7. And like, I was, we were watching it happen in real time. And then I watched Massey and Marjorie Taylor Green and all the rest of them. They were all on point in the same way with the rest of the podcast bros in the, in the same orbit as Steve Bannon. And I'm just like, okay, I don't trust you. I'm watching you like a hawk.

And then, honestly, since last August, when Trump announced that he was meeting with Putin, they went into overdrive to destroy Trump. And they went all in. And I think that the story that I, that when I read the political theory is the way I have, and Massey's only one part of this. But he became the focal point of it. over the Epstein files and everything else. And the games he played over that were just ridiculous.

I could sit here and hug the microphone for three hours about this. Just so much material, right? And I don't want to do that. But the TLDR on this is that he played a lot of games like will-day, won't they, over the Epstein files. And he was handed that, and he partners with Rokana. And he's backed by the same people that have been given money to AOC and O'Connor and all.

After a while, he was like, look, he's clearly in opposition to everything. He was against the one big, beautiful bill on principle. He was against this. He was against everything. And as J.D. Van said, he's like, look, I need your vote on this. Prove to us that you will work with us on these things

and we'll get you other things. And then to polish his libertarian credentials, he would do something good about meatpacking or this or rube. milk or something like that which is a big deal to that to that group of people to keep them in in the cult meanwhile all the big things that are necessary for Trump to change the the strategically change the the way things are operating at the legislative level and the executive level he was in staunch opposition to and I'm like at that point dude you're

done and then you need to be made an example of it doesn't matter whether you're someone's operative or not, you're just not useful to the party in power, who is clearly trying to do something different. And, you know, at the end of the day, a lot of prominent libertarians don't understand that they're either at best, useful, at the most generous, useful idiots for the very people that are destroying their country or, you know, infiltrators. And having, and I have a lot of experience with these people, going back 25 years. And I can tell you that there are a lot of bad actors in that space.

And I've talked to other prominent libertarians who've come up through the ranks and tried to wrangle the party, Angela McArdle and others. And they're like, yeah, we're seeing it. And, you know, I'm not in it anymore, but I can see it from my perspective. And so, you know, at some point, I think Trump just said, okay, that's enough's enough. and got the best guy he could to stand him up and to prove to everybody. And the message was sent last night. And the message was a very powerful political message,

which is, I can take a guy and run a campaign like Joe Biden. Never go out in debate, barely campaign, run, you know, and just flood the airwaves, push with money, stand this guy up in like no time flat. That's why they had to spend a lot of money because you now have to just do name recognition in a in a seat where

he, Massey's got all the name recognition because he's been in Congress for 14 years and generally speaking at the primary level, that's usually enough to get you through and I think they were banking on that until Trump said, you know what? No, we're going to spend $20 million or $18 million whatever it was and we're going to get rid of him.

18.8 million. Right. And in response to that Massey had to raise a whole lot of money and he was not used to doing that. He actually had a primary challenger who was sincere. If you know anything about primary politics in America, you realize that people don't put money behind candidates that can't win. So if you go back and you look at election totals from like 2020, 2020,

2024, all his previous like three or four, I was looking at some of the stuff this morning. And there's a meme running around this morning that, you know, they stole the election last night. which is complete nonsense. It was 34% of burned to turnout last night in a primary, as opposed to 25% or 20% normal. This was a big deal.

They spent money, it became a national issue, everybody focused on it. And when Massey was a safe and, you know, are, and had people that, you know, didn't have credible opposition, he won his primaries with 75%, got about 50,000 boats. Last night, he got about 50,000 boats. Actually, his vote totals were down. I think he only got 47,000.

Gallern got 54. And that's because the people of that district stood up and went, yeah, no, we're not, we're not doing this guy anymore. We have a better option. Trump says this guy's a better option. That's good enough. And that's a very powerful political message because it's saying, it's telling a lot of people, there's a lot of people this morning, I believe, on Capitol Hill that are recalculating their strategy as to how they're going to get through the midterms and 2028.

Personally, I think everybody was measuring the drapes for a return to the White House in 2028. The plan was to run Massey and these other dissidents to split the MAGICA coalition in 2028 and hand the thing to the Democrats. That's the way I read this scenario. And, you know, hey, I'm like, I'm not interested in that. And I'm going to, and it's really obvious to me, that's what I saw. That's why I've been seeing, and it's been playing out this way. And I'm like, no, get rid of this guy.

Just get rid of him. And, you know, I'm not saying Gowrin is a great candidate or, you know, whatever. But if he's loyal to Trump, at this point, that's all that matters. Because what we've seen at the same time was the war powers resolution go through the Senate yesterday. And the four squishy boats in the Senate, Bill Cassidy, who Trump is primary, ran Paul, Lisa Murkowski. and I think it was Susan Collins as the fourth, voted to bring a war powers resolution and forced Trump to end the blockade and everything else.

Now, that's a scary thought because Trump's blockade at this point is his political leverage to affect all the things he's trying to effect, all the things he's trying to do in rewiring the world. So that becomes a very interesting problem, and it becomes a potential constitutional crisis. And it's sincere.

And I'm not, I'm not completely sure how this, where this leads. There are a lot of things. I spent four hours chatting with someone my boys last night about this. And it's a big deal. And it's the bigger, probably the bigger threat going forward. But this was an important political message. Fuck around and find out.

So I have a better time. Like we have an agenda. That agenda is not going to be stopped. Got to go and we have to do this. You know, he could have come along for the win, and he chose not to. And, you know, I got news for you. That's libertarians, dude. So that's who they are as a political force.

That's who they are. And they're all, like, out there today. Like, Dave Smith was out there with Nick Fuentes, saying they're going to vote Democrat all of a sudden. There's MAGA's dead. Are you kidding me? Really? Okay.

I just don't buy it. Especially when there was Israeli money on both sides. the friggin was primary. Jeff Yazd threw $7.5 million into this thing. And he's, you know, I just think he's a different Israeli faction. That's what I think.

But, so I'll leave it there. Alex, do you have any thoughts on that? Or do you want me to switch to the fact that U.S. visited China, Russia visited China, and your thoughts on that? I do have thoughts on Massey.

I have so many. I'm never going to stop talking now. So basically, I find the situation very strange because, you know, regardless of what we think about Massey, completely setting that aside. Sure. His support level in his district for the last six months has been between 65 and 80 percent, you know, fluctuating, kind of horizontal. He's been in Congress since 2012, and we know that once somebody gets into Congress, it's very, very difficult to dislodge them. They just kind of have to not get caught

drinking baby blood for breakfast, and they coast along, right? So he had overwhelming support until practically a week before the election. I don't buy that, Alex. I'm sorry. Well, it's a You know, it's there. It's in the, it's in the polymarket, it's in the polls. It's, it's Polymarket is, it's just bad, it's just bad polling now. You know, people can move polling. I, I don't use polymarket as a judgment on this. I never have. You know, like, freaking Robert Barnes can go out there and put a $50,000 bet on move and move markets. Like, it's not hard. It's not, it's not polling. And the polling in the United States is atrocious. But it's not just, It really is.

Tom, it's not just polymarket. It's like, it's like every, every measure out there. I mean, I didn't find one where, where, where Galrin was, had an advantage over Massey. Until, until, until just literally a week before the elections. And that happens in the United States a lot, especially. And I know where you're going with this, Alex. I'm serious. That happens, but you know how it happens?

Like Trump's winning 2020 elections, and then in the middle of a night, they stopped the count, and then suddenly Biden wins the elections. That's the way it happened. And this, you know, this big, huge inversion that happened in one day where so Thomas Massey for six months

here's Thomas Massey here's gallery and it kind of fluctuates like that and then one day it just goes boom like that and they invert and now

Tom this doesn't happen I spent my life researching trends I know social trend people change their minds, but they changed their minds one by one. They learn stuff in their time. This just

doesn't happen that the whole collective pivots one day and everybody goes to the other side. Like what happened? Like what the hell happened? How do you explain? It's not that hard because you're not talking about a lot of votes. That's the problem. Primaries are a lot of votes. A lot of votes. You're not talking about a lot of people. You're literally talking about 20,000 people in a district of 770,000 people. It's not that much. And if you get, and if you do the work on the ground and get people who normally wouldn't vote to vote, they're not measured by the polls, because they're not likely voters. They're not measured by any of the normal statistics at all. Because the pollsters, this is just a problem with this whole thing. And this is why Trump won

in 2016. Hillary Clinton had a 98% chance of winning in 2016, and Trump won the election because he moved certain counties in certain states to flip certain states by a couple. You could argue that he won the 2016 election by about 70,000 votes in about six important counties. And that's what's shipped at the election, 35 or 40 electoral votes. I'm serious. But in a primary in the United States, which is usually incredibly low voter turnout,

and those numbers bear themselves out. If I was looking at 75% voter turnout in this thing, I would agree with you completely. I'm absolutely what. I wouldn't even, I'd be like, nope, this is completely freaking hinky, yada, yada, yada. No argument. We went from about 20 to 22% voter turnout where Massey was basically running unopposed

to 34% in the most contentious House election in history. That is not a Sixth Sigma event. What it is is the Sixth Sigma part of it is that enough people in that district finally said, oh, I have credible opposition to this guy and he has himself has changed a lot and he's going against Donald Trump. In a safe Republican Kentucky district, this is within the bounds of American politics. Bill Cassidy, a sitting senator, got primaried and came in third the other night, okay, a sitting senator in a statewide election. And he got crushed. He didn't get just beat.

He didn't miss out by five points. He didn't miss out by two points. He missed the runoff by 30 points. Massing it lost by 11 points last night. That is telling you that. Trump has that kind of power. And I think that that is something, I appreciate you wanting to explore that and pull on that thread.

It's worth exploring and it's worth discussing. But I have seen primary challenges like this happened in the past, and you get good voter turnout in a high profile thing like this where there's all this external money on it, all of a sudden things that you see this is the kind of result you can get like it's it's real Gallarin didn't have did I mean the hinky part of it is that Galleran didn't really campaign sure and I would say in campaign he didn't debate I mean like he didn't have to because it's a primary stuff like he didn't yeah I know but this is primary this is primary stuff man like nobody

cares it's off of your primary election like money you know you put money into it it matters it's it'll move more it'll move it all you know this is different and most people never want sean to chime in they'd rather just have you two have it out what i i've i've literally seen um things flip in canada um you had the federal conservatives under pierre at like landslide victory right yeah complete majority government and almost overnight after Carney was put in after Trudeau stepped down, and they created Orange Man Bad. And they did the Mike Myers' Elbows Up video. It's over the course.

Now, this isn't a day or a week. It's probably over the course of about a two-week span. They went toe to toe, and then they just slowly increased, increased to where we now have a liberal minority. And now, of course, because of all the people crossing the floor and everything, now you have a liberal majority and the polls would say liberal majority for the next election i know that's not i mean once again you're talking about uh it's not apples to apples just that in my own it's not especially and especially that poliov ran a bad campaign in order to i mean i i think polyab ran a terrible campaign on top of everything else and he didn't uh he didn't jazz up his his his base and uh you know that's that at all

Pauli ever tried very hard not to win. Yes, he did. He tried really hard not to win. I mean, and so in that respect. But again, in a... I don't think it was he tried... Sorry, I don't think he didn't try to win. He took a strategic way of what he thought would win.

Don't rock the boat. We're not going to do anything crazy. We're going to have this appearance. We're not going to engage in all the, you know, what was the one thing I got told that he was trying to appeal to a certain type voter and instead of just going after some of the people because he would have had all the firepower in the world he kind of tried to be a stoic guy and not engage in it now we can call that calling that trying not to win i would say that was bad strategic advice from the people around them that's what i

would say i wouldn't say he he didn't try to win i think he tried to win i think his strategy was poor and i think that um thomas massey was given multiple opportunities by the trump administration to come back into the poll. Well, well, certainly with Massey, from afar, once again, I sit here and I go,

I don't have a crazy amount of insight in American politics, but strategy, there's probably multiple conversations, would we agree that Trump's administration, whoever it was had with them, saying, listen, you can just stay in and we'll carry on.

He made an enemy out of Trump, rightfully, wrongfully, and Trump put his full weight behind getting somebody else there. who didn't debate who was like nobody knows who the heck he is all the things yeah and like it's just it's going to be one of those anomalies and the and this one i'm going i'm going with no he this needed to happen and look he raised massy rated a lot of money and he raises very little money from his constituents less than five percent of his money came from his district i've been

saying this for a long time i like he trades on being a national power uh national figure. He fundraises. I know libertarians very well. They are desperate for a winner. And so you will get money from all over the country, pour into that because he's their guy. He's their shaman, whatever. Ron Paul didn't have to do that. Ron Paul ran, you know, he didn't have to do that because Ron always walked his district. They always engaged with his voters in his district and everything else. Massey spent all this time in D.C. And, you know, he didn't have to do that. And, There's all the more stories that come out here and yes are some of them fair no are some of them not fair of course they are But here's the thing again if he had

played with the administration on the big issues He'd still be in keeps he would have they would never stood out at the gallery and so You know this is the kind of thing where They had to spend a lot of things I mean honestly this is a horrible distraction This is a a terrible distraction this is a a terrible waste of political capital and scant's scant political time so from that perspective if like me if you if you take my perspective on it Massey's still a winner because he wasted a lot of Trump's time he wasted a lot of political

capital and they're gonna use that going forward to be gadflies and that's where that's where we're headed with this this is this is a divide this is a classic divide and rule play and the MAGA coalition is a it's a it's not a fragile thing but the but at the end but at the fringe at the center it's a very important thing and it's it's it can be dangerous and so Massey should have understood that he was not loyal to the to the sitting president he was not loyal to the party He's gone. The party stood up a dude and spent a lot of money.

And in this scenario and a primary like this, all you need is name recognition. The money was spent to ensure that Ed Gowleron's name got in front of enough people, enough times that they considered him credible. The standard rule in electoral politics is you've got to see, someone's got to see your name seven times, even though that you're in the race.

That's why money is so important. So Massey should have cruised the victory. There's plenty of people out there are going to cruise to victory and plenty of primaries where money was stood up against them and they're going to win because not enough money or whatever.

This is a statement about Trump's political power. This is a statement that all of the horseshit that we have heard over the last year and a half from the Robert Barnes and all these people, and I'm naming names. I've been saying this for a while now. It's all nonsense. all this Steve Bannon, you know, stuff, it's all nonsense.

Twitter's not real life. Real life is you put that stuff on the board. And you put the money on the ground and you put the people on the ground. And they went around to that district and they got it done. And I'm going to go, I'm going with that. And that's it. And it's not going to be operative in every election that we see. There's, like, Madison is still running as an independent in the fall.

Right? He could still run as an independent. And if Ed Gowleron is a terrible candidate, he could split the thing and the seat could wind up going to the Democrat if he does that. I don't know what he's going to do. But I can tell you is that, and we already know this, is that he's going to be inconsolable and he's going to be horrible for the rest of the last seven months of these in Congress. But we've already seen an inkling of that as well from Bill Cassidy, the now ousted senator

from Louisiana. John Cornyn stopped campaigning in his runoff against Ken Paxton and is back in Washington to vote against Trump's agenda because he knows he's going to lose, so they're in burn it to the ground mode, they're in Joker mode, and that's where we are. And you have to assume, and I think it's a fair assumption to say, yeah, Trump understood this and he did it anyway.

And that political, and that's a political risk, but it is what it is. like and that tells me that they've got something else up their sleeve in order to secure the midterms because they wouldn't have pursued this path otherwise they would have tried to work with these guys more but once they become inconsolable Trump's like all right fine we're just given 2026 is a mess and we're moving on and I've got enough and I'm the way he's acting he feels like he's got the rest of it ring fenced I may be wrong I'm happy to I mean if I'm wrong I'm wrong but that's the way I'm reading it. And with all the redistricting wins and everything else, the Republicans look like they have a floor, a floor of 214 seats in the house. They only need to pick up four of the toss-ups.

That means that they can take their massive money advantage and place it on the four or five districts that they need to win in order to get through the midterms. And conventional wisdom goes out the door and all of the, you know, all of the panicking stuff, we like to call them panicking. All the panicking stuff just like falls away. And, you know, that's that. And sorry, but I'll be honest with you, I'm happy about it because it's the only way we're going to get out of this a lot because this is a civil, because all of this is a recipe for civil war and constitutional crises and all the rest of it. And that's a, that's a 100% civil, city element in black. So we'll go from there. Okay. So anyway, we're talking about whether the elections were legitimate

or not. Okay. I was going somewhere with this. So bear with me. I'm tending to think that it wasn't legit. Too many red flags. So Galleran won with 10,280 votes. And he received votes from 10,854 mail-in ballots. That reminds me of something. And we already know the U.S. electoral process is very highly flawed and very highly compromised. So that shouldn't be a surprise. But here's why I'm raising this possibility. I was just on a podcast with an Italian, with an Italian correspondent from Washington, D.C. is extraordinarily well informed. And he's like, don't worry about any of this. The real battle, the real battle is Trump against Mark Carney, Obama, and all these people.

We all agree on this, you know, so I'm not even going to spend any time with it. But I was telling him, and so he's like, what Trump is trying to do is he's trying to create this new alliance with Russia and China, the three great powers. but he's opposed by these globalists who are all puppets of the city of London, who just had a secret meeting in Canada. So he's like, it was Mark Carney and Obama and the podestas and near a tendon. And so we talked about this, right? We know all this. And so I said, okay, yeah, fine, fine.

Let's suppose that this is true. What good is it if he loses, if he gets his ass kicked in midterm elections? And we know that the electoral process is, rigged and if they rigged against him, then everything could be lost. And the United States pivots back into NATO alliance, European occult, oligarchies and so forth. So he has to win the midterms in November 100%. That's everything depends on this, right? So correct so far?

Okay. So I still have this big question. on my head, what the hell happened on 28 February? I don't understand this, Tom. I have no idea. But once Thomas Massey lost his election, here's what I thought. This smells to me like a rigged election, which tells me that somebody in this world has the power to rig elections in the United States. Okay? Somebody. It's not necessarily one person. But we see that there's Miriam Adelson and John Paulson and Paul Singer and APEC and all of this whole coalition, which also happens to be probably a coincidence completely, but which happens to be very strongly pro-Zionist. And it's the exact same people who wanted Trump to go to war against Iran on 28 February. So now I'm wondering, how did you see where I'm going with this? I know where you're going with this. What about if the deal was, you do this for us because it's the moment. We're never going to get this moment back again.

We have to, but you do this for us and we're going to make sure. We're going to make sure that you win the primaries. And then it takes control of Congress, Senate has the, has the, has the White House and then he has the power to confront these other motherfuckers. Oh my God, I got Alex to use an F bomb first. Wow. Yeah, because I, you know, there are things, Tom, I don't know how to explain. And then I know that there's going to be a lot of people to say, like, die, you don't, you can't explain it because you're fucking stupid. And you know, you know, then there's there's people who were very close to Trump who were also shocked.

by his. So, you know, like there's the, I'm not the only one who's stupid, apparently. I know. Something happened. And I thought, possibility one, he has been a closeted Zionist all this time and everything before 28 February was an act, which I think is not very likely. Right. Okay. Because he's been saying certain extremely unlikely things that nobody was asking for. You know, like, join me in the fight against the global financier class. Nobody was asking for that fight. Right.

Why did he say that? Okay. Second thing, people say, oh, he was compromised with the Epstein files. And I think, okay, I don't know because for eight years they were trying to put him away and they couldn't. And if there was something compromising in the Epstein files, they would have brought it out. The Democrats had control of the House and the Senate. and the presidency. So they could have done it. It would have been a free slam dunk. But they didn't. The second reason, if there was something that compromising that they had, not only would have they fought him tooth

and nail, they would have rolled out the red carpet for him to enter the White House because they have a compromised president, right? So that didn't happen. So that, I think, is not likely. Then they thought, okay, maybe, you know, like they assassinate presidents over these things. So maybe they thought, you don't go along with us. We're going to start killing off your family. How about that? So that's possible. But then there's another possibility that they said like, hey, how about we help you win the midterms?

We help you in all these elections because we can. And you do this big thing for us. and he says, yep, okay, done deal, we're going to do that. Because that, I know that that's a bridge very, very far away, but at least it's, it's kind of coherent, like the story makes sense. And then when you tell me that 37 to 0, that's kind of like, okay, it's not hard honestly and most of the places that he was dealing with the member these are primaries and the president has a bully pulpit and Trump is finally using it properly that's I'm

I know exactly what you're saying Alex and it it is consistent I happen to disagree with parts of it but it is consistent and I understand that you came to this honestly I'm not gonna not you know not gonna sugarcoat that or or or or try and undermine that I understand where you're getting where you're coming from with this what i'm going to i'm going to say is the problem is is that i don't view the trump went to war on with iran on 28th february for israel and the zionist i don't buy that argument i think that's a very convenient argument that has been spun up since 10-7 all the way into today and it's a it's been a multi-variant multi-pronged psychological operation or intelligence operation that people like Massey and Fuentes and

and Tucker Carlson and Megan Kelly and and and and and Candice Owens and they shot Charlie Kirk and all of this stuff it all points in the same direction right which is we want you to look over here and we want you to do these terrible things we we want you to look here and here's your convenient ball guy the evil Zionist Jews okay I'm not saying that the Zionist Jews aren't evil. They are. I'm not arguing that point. The point is that what I've been saying since you and I talk about this,

and I've been saying while I was watching the 12-day war lay out last year, it became not clear to me, but I started really reassessing all of this stuff and saying, what if we're actually dealing with here is a classic, let us throw our asset Israel under the bus when I look at and then set all of this shit in motion knowing full well that we were going to kill Trump in 2024 if you if he you know got through the law fair and started campaigning would just kill him he was supposed to die at but or Pennsylvania right he was supposed to die we are a quarter of inch away from him getting his

head blown off on CNN right and um he didn't die They've tried to kill them three times or at least twice, two or three times since then. And the, and what we're dealing with now is that there's a much bigger and much more complex game than we've been led to believe. And the way I've been reading this is the closer we get to arc, the more desperate they get. Right. To where? To ARC, to America, Russia, China. this thing that's happening.

Oh, right, right. And when Kirov came out yesterday and someone said, did you notice how like Trump and Xi and Putin are all like in cahoots or whatever? And, and Carol Dimitri have responded with the acronym for no one can stop what is coming. Carol Demetri have confirmed, for all intents and purposes, confirmed ARC yesterday. Right? So, and a lot of the really heavy-duty- Sorry to interrupt. Sorry to interrupt. No, no, no problem.

You know, like back in, I think October of this of last year, Trump put out that picture that said no one can stop what's coming. So did Carol Dimitriov say exactly that? Sorry, hold on. Oh, shit. Come on that. Can you hear me? Okay, it was you. and the episode will continue tomorrow. Can you hear me? Yes, no. We can hear you. We can hear you.

Jesus Christ. Like these spam calls. This is like the feet cutting off when you. For the audience. Last year. You asked the question. Last second of the game. Luca Don'tish takes a three-pointer and the feet cuts off.

Well, I just think I think of like, a really good show you're watching, Alex, and then all of a sudden, and it will be to be or to be continued. And you're like, no, stop it. I want to hear his answer. I want to hear his answer. I'm so sorry.

Literally the spam call came through. And like I, you know, and Streamyard is not sophisticated enough to deal with it, FYI. Zoom and Riverside, by the way, are. So if you're dealing with people who are like me on their iPad, FYI. So yes, Kirold Demetriev. yesterday, it's on my Twitter feed, posted, said, no, he posted the acronym for no one can stop

what is coming while everybody was, in the context of Trump, Xi, and Putin, and America, Russia, China. I'm not, I'm not. N-CS-W-C-W-C-I-S, yeah, something like that. Yeah, no one can stop what is coming. And I didn't know what he meant by that. And I'm like, I had to look it up. And I'm like, oh, oh, my God, because somebody sent it to me.

and I didn't, I missed it. And yeah, no, it was crazy, crazy stuff. And, you know, I look at Carol Demetriab and I say, he's the guy who's, you know, he's like the Trump version. He's like the Putin version of Steve Woodcoff. He's the chief negotiator for these guys. So this is happening. And, you know, I look at it this way and I say, okay, again,

your point about Wait one second One second Before you go one point Demetri who is that He is the head of Russia's sovereign wealth fund And he's been the guy who's been The big interlocutor

Between Russia and the United States Since the Trump administration came back into power Because he's the only one who's basically unsanctioned Right And also note that Scott Besant the other day I think it was Friday You know

Issued another 30 day waiver on the Russians exporting selling oil. I predict that in 30 days or 25 days, he's going to do that. He's going to issue another 30-day extension on the Russians being allowed to export oil to markets. I think that we're watching that process play itself out. So, like, you know, my instincts tell me, and I've been very, and I've rarely been wrong when I've caught somebody on this stuff, especially in American politics. When someone

crosses the line, like that, my instincts are usually correct. I had been, I was, Massey started giving me tells, Arjory Taylor Green started giving me tells and others. And, you know, why is Matt Gates gone? Why is, you know, all of these people? And, you know, I know, I know, for fact having done practical libertarian politics that the you know the bad guys the Zionists or the neocons or the GOPE or whatever you want to call them have infiltrated the Libertarian Party for years I've watched this happen and I've watched Thomas Massey morph from a guy you know from one persona to another and I'm like that's a tell and so I think this is I think Massey is

not that important to prove he's not that important because he's already a lost vote okay Alex I mean he's never going once Trump went after he was never going to vote Trump's way ever again on anything important ever right ever and so primarying him is not the is not a win from a legislative perspective it's a win from a domestic politics power projection It puts a lot of people in Congress. I think they're all kind of recalculating this morning going, now what's my strategy for getting reelected? Because as I said to you in previous podcasts,

most people in America just don't care about house races until September. And I was on with Blaine Holt the other day, and Blaine and I were talking about, you know, he asked me the question about, why is Trump calling for a convention in September? in September? Why are the Democrats also calling for a convention in September? And again, we should be looking more away from the midterm elections and more towards the potential.

And I know this could sound, I'm not even sure I agree with this perspective, but Blaine asked me about it and I said, dude, I don't know, what do you think? And he said, I think we may be in the situation where we don't have a Congress to seat and there's not going to be. midterm elections in that respect, that there's going to be a real, honest to God, constitutional crisis that we're headed towards in the fall. Now, Blaine tends to be a little bit more dramatic on these analyses than I am, believe it or not. But I can't discount it. I'm presenting it, not as something that I agree with, but as something that we have to ask ourselves, this is a serious question. It's not a rally. It's not, it's a statement of principles, it's

delegates, it's all of this stuff. We may be looking at a very, very, very weird six months in American politics. And, you know, I look at this and I say, why won't John Thune pass the Save America Act, the voter election fraud? Why won't he do that? I have 18 answers, but the easiest one is simple. The American Senate is like the House Awards in England. It is elected, but it's not really. They think of themselves as kind of the royalty of American politics. I was talking to a friend of mine that I've done a number of shows with,

a guy by the name of Kevin Lynn, who runs a think tank policy center in D.C. He's very well steeped in this kind of stuff. He's been doing this shit for 30 years. And Kevin ping me about a month ago. I name names here because Kevin's a public figure. He runs his own podcast, blah, blah, blah, blah. And he's ping me and he said, you know,

one of the big undercurrents in the Save America Act and everything that Thune is doing is that the Senate really does believe that if we give the people anything, they're going to start demanding everything. And we're in charge of America, not the people. And there is this kind of royalty subbrosa thing that they've got going on in the Senate. Less the House, more the Senate. Because really what we have in the Senate, and this is to your point about election fraud

and, you know, gaming the system and everything else. You know, senators, Senate seats are really passed down from political appointee to political appointee. right Diane Feinstein gets to pick who's going to replace her when she dies Mitch McConnell

was preparing to pick the guy who was going to replace him so there would be continuity of quote unquote government in that respect

you understand continuity of rule okay so that's why Kentucky last night knocking out McConnell's Senate guy on the same time as Massey got kicked out on high voter turnout, that's a big tell.

You should actually, to me, I'm like, if we didn't have those two data points together, I'd be like, okay, maybe there's, you know, again, I would give a lot more credence to the idea that somebody, you know, put the thumb on this, on the scale of this election. Because, you know, I went in my old libertarian days, I used to say, American elections are he who cheats best wins, right? And that's a very valid perspective on the on things, right? And they trade seats and they do a lot of horse trading behind the scenes and the people don't really have a lot of say in this stuff.

But this is not a normal election cycle in any way matter of shape or form. Susan Kokinda and I, we've talked with Susan about this. She's on the ground doing it. She's like, this is, Trump's not a normal president. This isn't a normal election cycle. It's not a normal midterms. There's a lot going on here. So McConnell getting crushed yesterday would have spillover effect into Massey's race.

Because if we had high voter turnout across all of Kentucky for the Senate primary, then you would have a high voter turnout in Massey's district. And so going from 22% voter turnout when he doesn't really have opposition to 34% voter turnout when there's a lot riding on it, you know, American voters are not unhip to the stakes. at play here, and especially a state like Kentucky. And Massey's district is solidly, I mean, solidly red in a way that is, you know, sincere.

And so when those people see him voting with Democrats to undermine Trump, it doesn't take much. Those are very, those people, and that portion, especially in that portion of the country. Like, these, we're talking about, you know, ungovernable, obstreperous, you know, you know, appellations, they are just, they're just contrary people. And don't you tell me what I'm going to, you know, they're not going to accept this.

And I know that they're not happy with Mitch McConnell. And I know that for years that a lot of them just voted for whoever was put in front of them with an R in front of their name because that's who, you know, that was better than the Democrat. And so, you know, that's just, if you know, Kentucky politics, you know, and that's why ran Paul ran in Kentucky. You know, he's not really from there. So, like, there's a reason why this is all part of the process. The big one next is, but, well, this was all happening,

and there was something else that happened this morning. Netanyahu's in serious trouble over in Israel. Like, we got rid of the city of London guy, in my mind, in Kentucky, guys in Kentucky. And so now they're going to go after another, you know, now the Davos, I say, I just look at the Israeli politics as like there's as functionally split as anybody else's is. Like that there's, you know, sovereign, there's Israeli firsters, possibly you call them Zionists, call them whatever you want. And then there's, you know, the Davosians. And they fight all the time.

How many times I made the point that since Brexit, how many times have we watched the Israeli government fall about the same time that the British government falls? Like they're constantly like shipped in here. And it's a mess. And you get inside Israeli politics and you realize, oh, my God, it's more convoluted and horrible than American politics. And I only know some. I don't even know one third of what I probably should know about this stuff. So I would just, but what I know about American politics, Kentucky last night was in the crosshairs. And Trump shored up his support going forward.

It's going to hurt him in the intervening seven months because now you're going to have more people. and burn it the fuck down mode and more in joker mode in Congress and in the Senate and that's and that could lead to constitutional crises and I think that that's on somebody's game board so there you go

you guys are smiling who's gonna talk next I don't want to talk anymore Alex's son his walk around in the back you're muted Alex you're muted Alex I'm just smiling because I have my kid walking behind me Like it's a like it's that like there's a fashion show happening

I could turn the camera that way and show you Camille like working on her pottery her pottery wheels like And I could turn the camera right now Alex and show you Casey my youngest who puked all last night sitting there avidly playing some game so carry on gentlemen Well, anyway, you know, one thing is clear the games are extremely complex and convoluted, and the next six months absolutely do promise to be probably the weirdest we've experienced yet. But this is part of that transition because we're really coming down.

to the end of a 600-year cycle of history. And maybe we're going to get the same cycle from a blank slate, or maybe there's going to be something completely different. So we're in uncharted waters, and it's extremely difficult to interpret what the hell is happening. And if we're having these discussions, what kind of discussion? do they have when Trump and Xi Jinping sit sit in private for two hours and the

interpreter is the interpreter is Xi Jinping's daughter because he was impressed anybody else yeah yeah yeah and then Xi Jinping sits down and speaks two hours with Vladimir Putin a week after that yep and Zee's coming to the United States in a couple of months There you go. And then apparently in November, what's going to be happening in November? Hold on. I had to write it down because it's just like too much, too many data points. Oh, so many. So many. Well, there's going to be some kind of an event in China where there's going to be, it's going to be Trump Putin-Gy. it's going to be some kind of an event, but apparently

Xi Jinping is brokering discussions on the sidelines of the event. And then there's been a trilateral nuclear accord discussed between Trump and Xi Jinping anyway. That's all very promising, Alex. Yeah, that is very promising indeed. It's all very promising. It's extremely promising. So, yeah, APEC, at the APEC summit on 18, 19 November.

This is apparently in China and apparently Xi Jinping is, you know, American delegates, Chinese delegates and Russian delegates are going to be very, very busy. And that's exactly November. So just remind everybody, APEC, APEC, not A-PAC, A-I-P-H. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, sorry. I'm just, no, I'm just clarifying for everybody in the audience, Alex. I knew what you meant. I wanted to make sure that everybody-

I'm glad you mentioned it, Tom, because I was thinking, A-PAC's bringing together the three powers? You know, for the first, right after, right after Alex said it, I said the same thing and I'm like, no, that's not, I know that's wrong, it's APEC, right, APEC, Asia Pacific, Asia Pacific Economic, Economic, Yeah. Yeah.

Or whatever. Yeah. So whatever the sea stands for. Not communism in this respect. So, yeah. No. Friends or community or... Something like that, yeah.

Isn't APEC what ASEAN has morphed into, or is it something like that? Or are they all running concurrently at this point? I'm a little out of... I'm a little out of touch with the last few years of development over there. Yeah, I'm not sure. That's fair. That's fine.

That's fine. I was hoping you knew. But I think APEC, an effect, has kind of, it might be community, Asia Pacific Economic Community, which I think is the inheritor of what used to be ASEAN, the American Association, or is there, the Asian, sorry, the Association of Southeast Asian Nations, A-S-E-A-N. And I, like I said, you know, this shifting gears like Trump getting Xi Jinping to open up to be willing to buy oil from Alaska.

You have to have to real, I think people, it was funny, there was a great tweet going around yesterday with a map of Alaska and talking about Alaska natural gas and LNG and everything else. And you realize that between China, Japan, and others signing up for this, what it's doing is telling the investment community globally and in the United States that we can. now really open up Alaska because now you've got commitments from these people to buy, you know, the markets have been preceded, it's in pre-seeded, as in seating, you know, putting seeds in the ground, not seeded is, you know, this development of Alaska as a major energy hub to feed the Pacific,

the Pacific Rim. This is a big deal because once that starts, again, nobody can stop what is coming. that's the case. It also opens up the Russian Far East. It opens up the possibility of, you know, the Americans in Russia no longer being, you know, in a terrible situation. I think one of the things that, you know, I was chatting with Crypto Rich yesterday and we were talking about this. And I brought up the thing, you know, when you stop to look at it and what we talk about in terms of ARC, Alex, I said, you know, everybody has overlapping incentives between the three, three players versus each other as to why they would all want to work together. They're all different reasons, mind you, right?

And it's like, what does America get from China? What does China get from Russia? What does Russia get from the U.S.? blah, blah, blah, blah. And when you sit down and you do that analysis, you're like, of course they would want to, you know, figure out where they agree on and what they can build off of. And for all three nations to assert their own sovereignty

and then ask yourself the big question is, what do any of these countries get from Europe other than, you know, appropriated. Lectures, disdain, you know, yeah. You know, opprobrium, illegal immigration, you know, all that. And it's all terrible, right? And so, yeah, it's an interesting moment. You know, Tom, there's no getting around the fact that the conflict is between two systems.

Mm-hmm. And so the dilemma is, which system do you want to be with, on what system do you want to define your future? And the European occult oligarchic system is probably the worst most pathogenic system that ever existed in history of the world. And I mean, I'm not even exaggerating. I'm holding you completely.

They've wiped out six indigenous civilizations. And it's not because, you know, it's not because somebody in Europe is evil. It's because the system has created its own set of incentives. And it's never going to stop until it's completely destroyed, raised to the ground. And it's been entrenched for centuries with us. It's infiltrated academia.

It's infiltrated the political systems, the judicial systems, the courts, police, militaries. It's everywhere. It may be losing, but it's extremely powerful still. It owns the media. So obviously, you know, this struggle is going to be extremely difficult, but what it also does is it turns not only colonized populations into a relationship of complete subjugation, it also turns its own domestic populations into serfs.

So it's not really a tough choice, but you have to be aware. You have to be aware of this. So then I also, again, I go back to why on earth would Trump have said that he wants to fight the international financier class if he didn't mean it. Nobody was asking for him to say this. Anyway. No, no, you're right.

Alex, I agree with you completely. I'm with you. I think that we're arguing over, and I arguing over, discussing, you know, I mean, argument in a classic sense. The discussion here is, you know, what was his motivation for attacking Iran the way he did?

And I think that those relations, that Iran has, and again, Iran not as a monolith, but really as the IRGC, the head of a strategy of resistance, and Israel as an antipode to that, and all of those things, these are far more complicated than we want to, we want to believe that they are. Because, again, I look at the Thomas Massey thing as a microcosm. Look, the Israelis were on both sides of the trade. Now, who does that sound like? Right ants and black ass. Who does that sound like?

It sounds like a divide and rule play. Now think about Thomas Massey as a node to create the Biden rule, right? And then watch the rhetoric on both sides. And I look at that, I just say, okay, how about we look at it from that perspective and then get away from, you know, any of the personalities or this or that or that, you know. And maybe that's how we can look at the offensive structure on it. this because it's a it's a very interesting moment in time and I would say that I don't put anything past that parasitic disgusting system that you just described I don't put anything past them

no no nothing nothing at all nothing that they won't do right and so that's when you have to have men that's when you have to like get back down to brass tax it's funny I was working on this one's newsletter yesterday and a couple of days before. And one of the things I was describing was kind of my evolution through all of these, as we went through this over the years, right? Trying to trace the where we are now. And one of the things I said was, you know, you get data points, you make hypotheses, you do this, you assess all the variables.

But I said, but the one thing that I held constant throughout all of this was there were two people. and that neither Trump nor Putin work for the oligarchy, work for Davos. Those are my only constants. I refuse to entertain anything else because, honestly, if Trump is working for the oligarchs, we're lost, we've lost, it's over, don't worry about it, you know, prep for bad times and move on. Same thing with Putin. If Putin is the fifth column is for Davos, we're screwed.

Like, you know what I mean? So those two things, to hold those two things that's kind of, constants, right, or one constant together, and then use all the other variables around that, that's when you get to some of the leaps of intuition that I've had over the years and the evolution of some of the hypotheses, just using those as constants. And anybody attempting to throw a wrench into that, I just do the immune system thing and go, nope, sorry, pulling up the key cells and getting rid of it, it doesn't, it's not Because again, all the things you said earlier, you know, they tried to kill him.

Why would, you know, why would they do all of these things? And why would he do the things that he's done? Trump, that is. The same thing with Putin. You know, it's a very simple heuristic. Those who they hate are probably, are more likely to be your ally or more likely to be on your side than their side. And, you know, when I watched the world, and the first time I ever did that heurist, I ever

replied that he was when Ron Paul ran in 2008 and knocked out Rudy Giuliani in the debate. And I looked at that moment in time and I went, you wait tomorrow morning. They're going to be, like I goes, I watched Fox News afterwards and Michael Steele was like, well, Ron Paul's done. It's very famous, like, you can look this stuff up on YouTube. And then the next morning, they had Hillary Clinton and Bill Crystal on the morning talk show circuit talking about how Ron Paul was evil. And they're nominally supposed to be on the other side.

of each other. Bill Crystal being the Republican, you know, at the time he was a pure Republican neocon. Hillary was supposed to be, it was, you know, the Democratic Progressive. That was her persona at that point. But nope. They circled the wagons.

They were both on like Morning Joe or some version thereof. And I'm like, I'm like, oh, here we go. They hate Ron. And then you just keep iterating on that over and over and over again. And, you know, so, yeah. And it's funny. It makes a lot of people complicated in ways that in terms of how to assess who they are and what they are. I'm having to constantly reassess everything I think I know on a daily basis.

And I've had some very uncomfortable evenings with myself trying to figure out who Benjamin Netanyahu is. And I'm going to leave it at that as to say, whoa, because. something is going on there that is real and possibly durable. And I would just say that I think Netanyahu is a sinister figure, but he's also a complicated figure. And he may also be a very simple figure. And we'll just, you know, I want everybody basically at this point to keep checking your premises.

The one thing I learned, and I still like hold on to my days is my few days that I was a hardcore Randian, which is that what I'm ran most famous for besides who is John Gull, is check your premises. Constantly reassess what you think is real on a daily basis and keep your mind free of, you know, it's hard because you've got, you say, throw everything at you. But check your premises on a daily basis and be willing to be wrong, both and be willing to entertain things that you would never in a thousand years think that you would be willing to. to entertain and you might come up with some very surprising answers. That's the way I'll get this stuff anymore.

Alex, any final thoughts before I let you boys out of here? Any final thoughts? Yeah, the pandemic. What pandemic? Well, you know how they've been, they've been, they whipped out this henta virus and then they whipped out the Ebola virus. and they've been really, really busy. And the media has been...

Because, you know, like, since... practically since 2021, Bill Gates has been promising the next pandemic. Like, the next one's coming. Take it to the bank and it's going to be a hell of a lot worse than Corona. And so they've been trying. They were like, oh, Marburg, Marlborough virus. And nothing. And then they had monkeypox.

And they declared it as a public health emergency of international concern, terrible, terrible stuff. And then nothing happened. And then they went to disease X. Do you remember disease X? Yeah, you're right. I mean, you know, like the new cycle has been so saturated full of insane shit that you forget. Like I look at my nose from from 2024. in 2003.

And disease X, they were pumping it up. It was like an unknown pathogen, but they were doing simulations. And Porton Down near London was developing a vaccine against an unknown pathogen. And then they were showing us this mobile. Do you guys remember the mobile crematoriums that the Chinese were buying and building so that they could burn the bodies, that was coming. And then that fell flat. Nothing happened.

Yeah, and then they introduced the bill in Congress, the Disease X Act of 2023, something like that. And then nothing, nothing. And then they bring back monkeypox once more. Second international public health emergency of international concern, monkeypox again. and then nothing happens again. And then there's this period of time,

which kind of coincides with the run-up into the U.S. elections where there was no pathogens at all. They all just went on vacation because they were, I guess, distracted with U.S. elections. So nothing happens. Yeah. And then comes September last year, September 25. And Ursula von der Leyen gives the state of the European Union speech to the EU Parliament.

And she says a sentence, we are on the verge of a new public health emergency if we're not already in one. And she leaves it at that. Like, what public health emergency? I mean, like, if there's a public health emergency, wouldn't you like to tell us? us what it is, what we should do, what we shouldn't do, you know, is it six feet or eight feet this time, one mask or two, like, what the hell? She just left it at that. Nothing, nothing, nothing. Then, November 25, Baroness Heather Hallett in the UK publishes a 1500-page inquiry

into COVID-19 pandemic. And the inquiry, wasn't about who should spend the rest of their miserable lives in prison. It was about what did we do wrong so that we could get it right the next time. And her conclusion was the mistake was that we were too hesitant about implementing all these measures, the lockdowns and all of this. And so the next time we got to go hard. We got to go radical. And so I thought, well, shit. this looks like they're preparing an ex-pandemic. And then they started with bird flu. Like literally a week after Halet, the baroness, you know. And if anybody out there is impressed that she's a baroness, you can buy the title. You can become a baron or a baroness if you have enough money.

You can buy that title. So don't be impressed. Literally a week after she publishes her inquiry, they start ramping up the fear of bird flu now. I don't know if you remember that. That was like at the end of November last year, they started, oh, bird flu, bird flu is terrible. It's okay. Anyway, nothing happened. Bird flu didn't.

And then hanta virus. And then hanta virus is kind of nothing. And then they're like, oh, Ebola, Ebola. anyway. Ebola 2.0, yeah. So here's what people have to know. It's never about viruses. Viruses are complete bullshit. What this is is about

introducing totalitarianism in Western society. Because guess what? I have to read you this. Because in 2013, hold on I have to do a search. Yeah. In 2013, where'd you go? There was a paper was published in PLOS 1 journal. That's like, where'd you go?

Yeah, so that's like a public library of science, PLOS. It's an open access thing that the journal, the journal article is pathogens and politics, further evidence that parasite prevalence predict authoritarianism. And guess what they find out, that the incidence of infectious disease and authoritarian governments is correlated by 73%. Okay, now, that may not sound like much, but in social scientists, in social sciences, 73% correlation is something that you've virtually never come across. It's like a higher correlation than correlation between IQ level and test scores.

It's extremely high, which means that incidents of pathogens and incidence of totalitarianism practically go hand in hand, which is a dead giveaway that they are at the, red-hot level of panic, eventing pandemics, because they need to ambush us with lockdowns, which will probably this time around be permanent, because they want to introduce totalitarianism. And why do they want to do this? Because their financial system is falling apart at the seams. And they only have one solution, and that's the printing press, which means hyperinflation. and hyperinflation means a collapse of the society ultimately.

Yes. Anyway, but, you know, that's a very bumpy transition, but ultimately it's good news for the rest of us because this system has got to go. Anyway, so the message is, do not be afraid of viruses. They're lies. They're lying. And it's not real.

No, it's not real. Alex, your point is very, very well taken. And again, to the point earlier, they will do anything and throw anything at the wall to keep their system from them having, they need a collapse so that they can make money on the rebuild. That's the way they do this, right? And the big, not a big question. You know, Tom, they need to collapse while clutch. on the levers of powers. Yes.

You know, if they get a collapse where all of them end up guillotined. Yeah. Or electrocuted on electric chairs or thrown into prison, then it's no good. So they have to engineer some kind of a collapse that they control. And to keep control, they need to lock us down. They need to pen us into 15-minute cities. Give us some kind of a permitting system. Did you get your boosters?

Oh, you're not allowed to travel. Oh, you may not go visit your system. visit your sister-in-law because she's in the other 15-minute cities and you're going to need to apply for a you're going to need to apply for a permit and on and on and on and on and you know no no i know and what i what i you know when we talk um about the big strategies of the things that are the antipode to that what i think is coming with america russia china with zi putin and trump are talking about is breaking open all the choke points in the and the clog points in the global economy and i i believe this quite sincerely actually that what trump has been doing in 2026 is blowing

open all these old um all these old choke points in order to un it's like a it's like a production just think of it like a production line and you've got you know all the you've got a you've got a you've got raw materials you want to make a car but you've got all these 25 intervening steps and there's four or five choke points that need to be fixed, right? So this is, Dexter Wright will tell everybody, read the goal, which is the book that, like, explain how we fix these things, right? And what he's been doing, I think he's been doing, in order to sell both Putin and G that he's for real is he's been trying to blow up a lot of these old choke points, while still cutting them in on the new opening up. So for example, Venezuela is a good example of this. We're

going to get rid of the Maduro regime, which is a mess. And while China was getting a small amount of oil on the cheap from Venezuela, hey, how about we liberate Venezuela, invest in it, bring its production up, and yes, China, you're going to get more oil out of Venezuela than you ever got previously and we're going to make sure that you get cut in on the deal. Like it's, it's moment, it's like things like this, right, that he's trying to, I think he's trying to use as a means by which to repair the relationships because we were all set against each other by London and Davos by these freaking horrible people and that's what's gotten us to the

point where we are now and they also you know they ran this story on us once it's not going to happen again we're not going to allow it and you know they have to break the United States because the United States is the one place where people are armed to the point where they will not stand for this horseshit. And, you know, I say this with no amount of, you know, bravado. But the average American is better armed than most cities. Like, you have to realize that it's the old Yamamoto thing. Like, you can't invade the United States because behind every tree there's a gun.

Yeah, yeah, that's extremely important, Tom. This is exactly why they've been trying so hard to disarm the Americans. That is, they've been trying really, really hard to get the Americans to agree to disarm themselves. And without success, which is absolutely awesome. And to Trump's credit, we have, he has radically liberalized federal law. with shit going into place this year. Like the gun advocates have never been happier. Yeah, yeah.

And then, you know, one thing that's important for people to appreciate, which I think on Sean's podcast, nobody's going to be surprised. But a lot of people think like, oh, you know, like look at all these school shootings that we have. Well, the school shootings are there exactly because they want to get Americans to disarm themselves. Yes.

They used, you know, like there was no school shootings in the, 70s or in the 60s or in the 50s or in the 40s and gun laws were way looser if anything and there was no school shootings. Alex, there were shooting clubs in American high schools. Kids would come on to the bus my bus and they would put their their 22 rifle with the bus driver and then go take their seat and then pick them up and go to class with their guy. This is yeah yeah. Of course. And nobody was shooting up schools. Nobody was shooting up kids in schools. No, the kids weren't, I didn't say. That took a lot of MK Ultra. Yeah, it did. It took a lot.

Yeah. It did. Yeah, in order to horrify the public, in order to create this pressure of like, Second Amendment is outdated. Let's let's, let's disarm everybody. Yeah. How about no? I'm a big fan of no. I can't know what I mean? So, you know, I really am. I'm kind of a big fan of that one. I told people recently, I'm like, you know, at six, it was when I first got up here to Tennessee, I'm like, I don't know, just one day I woke up and I was, I started my market report and I was just, you know, and I always do them live and there was kind of a stream of consciousness thing. At one point, I'm like, these things are starting to bother me and whatnot. I don't know about you guys, but I sort of looking at buying guns the other night.

I bought two, and I can tell you that I had a lot of people like DM me or comment and like, I heard you. why are you worried about this? I'm like, I don't know, my ghost was telling me it's time to buy guns. And then I bought a lot of them. You know, like, I'm like, now, then you get into that virus of, you know,

guns are dangerous because you want to collect the whole set, right? They're like guitars, they're like, you know, they're like all these things. You just want to collect them all. And, you know, you don't need them, but you'll want them anyway because you never know. You might have friends who don't have enough. And so that's the thing.

And the average, this is a, it's a, even if it's not, like, I'm telling you, or I am up and here, like, who's going to come up here and, like, challenge, challenge us? Like, it's not going to happen. Like, it becomes a thing. I've always talked about the myth of policing, right? That policing is all, I mean, son of a cop, like, you've been in the military, you know,

you make an example out of one guy to keep a thousand people in the line, but at some point when you can't arrest one or two people and get that effect, then it only, you know, stops 100 people or 10 people, people eventually the whole thing breaks down so what they've been trying to do is separate um the come from the military right and also to separate the people from the police force because that becomes a very dangerous situation um and you know i know you probably know this far better than i do having grown up in in the former yugoslavia and um and i don't presume to know what that was like and

I would never presume to think about that. But that being said, you know, there are a lot of Americans who understand this. And I'm going to tell you right now, a lot of them live in Kentucky, just to like tie a bow on all this shit about what happened last night. A lot of those people live in Kentucky.

And Kentucky people, mountain people, are not cut from the same cloth as a lot of other people. And having now lived up here in Tennessee for a few months and on and off and, you know, visiting back to Florida and like I can tell you it's just not these are different people they're different cultures and America is a lot of different cultures and um a lot of different cultures and I

recommend that you know the people who are listening and this is just like Canada is not one culture I know this Sean of talking about like Canadians about this and and um and it's the same thing and I'm sure that it's the same thing where you are Alex and blah blah blah you know it's like and this is one of those things where we just have to all remind ourselves that what we're really trying to do here is is keep our humanity while they're trying to take it away from us and set us against each other. And we're just to remind ourselves to be generous as best we can and not be confused when someone's trying to run a fast one on us.

And if I, and me personally as a commentator, over-correct and are overly unkind to certain people, it's because my hypervigilance about what they're trying to do is in overdrive right now. And again, your whole presentation about the flow of the viruses, the virus threats is a perfect example of one of the vectors at which they're trying to gaslight us into giving up our freedom and our agency. And we have agency folks. We have a lot more than you think we do. And every day we should get up and remind ourselves that that's what we should be, we should be thankful for that.

You know, whether it, do you think God for it or you think, you know, the universe or whatever. that's between you and the man in the mirror but that's what we should be doing gentlemen we'll get throw it i really do i think we'll get through it i really do i think we'll get through it gentlemen thanks for hopping on again thanks for the invite tron as always and Alex you have a wonderful afternoon and we'll talk soon my friend yeah okay uh all the best to both of you guys and the viewers and listeners merry christmas and uh see you soon