Shaun Newman Podcast - #1078 - Catherine Austin Fitts

Episode Date: June 22, 2026

Catherine Austin Fitts is an American investment banker, former government official, and financial commentator. She began her career on Wall Street, rising to managing director at Dillon, Read & Co., and later served as Assistant Secretary of Housing and Federal Housing Commissioner at the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) under President George H.W. Bush (1989–1990). After government service, she founded and leads Solari, Inc., where she publishes The Solari Report and advises on investment strategies focused on community wealth, ethical finance, and transparency in public spending.Cornerstone Forum 26’https://shaunnewmanpodcast.substack.com/Silver Gold Bull Links:Website: https://silvergoldbull.ca/Email: [e-mail] Grahame: [phone]Bow Valley Credit UnionBitcoin: www.bowvalleycu.com/en/personal/investing-wealth/bitcoin-gatewayEmail: [e-mail] Expat Moneyhttps://expatmoney.com/snpGet your voice heard: Text Shaun 587-217-8500

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This is James Lindsay. This is Vance Crow and you're listening to the Sean Newman podcast. Welcome to the podcast, folks. Happy Monday. How's everybody doing today? Well, I tell you what, I want to start here, okay? The Toronto Star headline on Father's Day. Happy Father's Day, belated Father's Day to all the great men out there.

An opinion piece. A modest proposal. why it's time to abolish Father's Day. You know what? I looked at this and I just hit it away. I just thought it was like, whatever. Toronto Star can do as they wish. On this end, on this show, we appreciate all the fathers out there.

Do we need a day? The answer is no. And actually at the end, you know, of the article, it talks about you want to get something for your dad? Call your dad. Ask about his hobbies, etc., etc., etc., etc. It actually had a pretty good ending. But calling for the abolishment of Father's Day when, I don't know, we got a whole bunch of other things on the agenda here in Canada

that should probably be abolished way before you ever go down the road of dads and fathers. And on this end, I'm probably, like so many of you, I have a great father, one of the best. And I wish him a happy Father's Day. It was my mother's birthday on the same day. So happy birthday belated to my mom as well. But when it comes to Father's Day, I'm surrounded by great men. And we don't need a day. But on the flip side, if you're going to be a Toronto.

star newspaper. I'm even talking about them right now, which annoys me. Just figure your life out, right? I get it to, you know, outrage sells, and that's exactly what they're doing here. But if that's the view of parts of Canada, I want no part of it. Here on this side, as I'm recording this, or I guess here as you're listening, I should say, we have donuts for dad where I go, my kids go to school, and there will probably be 200 dads in a room drinking coffee and having a donut and hanging out with their kids. That's what I see. I don't see any of this jargon of, you know, let's get rid of it. It's like, no. You choose what you want, folks. Choose what you see. I'm going to go back to a previous guest talking about content diet. I saw all the outrage come from everybody on, on what the Toronto Star is

saying. Let them go to die because who cares what they have to say on so much of this. It's so irrelevant. It's not even funny. Okay. That's my rant. Monday morning rant over. Let's talk a little precious metals, shall we? When it comes to precious metals here, you know where I'm going. Silver Gold Bowl is where I'm steering you towards in the old silver wagon this morning, as I record, $92.4.4 Canadian. And, you know, I should have said it, but, you know, it's never too late. You want to get a Father's Day gift? Get him a silver coin. Better yet, if you can afford it, get him a gold coin. All right? Gold sitting currently at $5,894 announced. I bet you any dad would be over the moon. The article, it says, oh, there's nothing you can get dad. That's a

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Windsor Plywood. I bet you there's a dad or two out there doing some backyard projects. Yeah, they're a builder of the podcast studio. I haven't had a dad come in here yet and not admire the table, okay? So when it comes to dads, I don't know, precious metals, guns, quality wood, yeah, there's some things to be said about what dads enjoy, you know, probably fine scotch, a big cigar, there's other things out there. Regardless, surrounded by great men, Toronto Star, get out of here. When it comes to wood, here in Lloydminster, we turn to Windsor Plywood. You can find them on 3605.51st Avenue.

And, you know, whether we're talking mantles, decks, windows, doors, sheds, it doesn't matter. We're talking about character wood. These guys have it. Stop in there today and tell them Sean sent you, right? We got 13 days. Man, 13 days. Where's the time going until we're on the road? A shout out to Zane and his dad, Brian.

They are the group that's powering the SMP road trip, so you're going to start to hear more about them as we go along. They dropped off a 2005 Suburans. Everybody wondering what till we're taking. We're taking a hot rod. Man, it is a... You know what I'd take? I'd take some name suggestions for the 2005 black suburban. Maybe I'll throw it out on substack so people can go take a look at the unit we're pulling.

My wife says it best. She's like, it kind of sounds like a souped up boat. You know, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Anyways, I'm probably doing a poor reenactment of it. But when it comes around the corner, you're not going to miss it. And, yeah. So, shut up to Zane and Brian for rolling in. Friday night. They spent a night at the house, got everything situated, and that's what we're

going to be pulling the trailer with. So that's 13 days away, and then we're on our way. Keep throwing in the nominations for people you want me to interview along the way, and make sure to sign up on Substack, because that's where more and more the details are going to go, and looking forward to hearing, you know, some of the suggestions, seeing some running in some of these people. Recording on the road, oh, baby, 13 days. Gitty up, folks. Happy Monday. If you're listening or watching on Spotify, Apple, YouTube, Rumble, X, Facebook, substack, subscribe, share with a friend, leave a review. Don't skip through the ad reads because you never know what you're going to miss.

If I've learned anything from sticking them in the middle. Man, I have torqued a lot of people by Fridays, the last two Fridays show, by sticking them in there. I'm having fun on this side. I hope you're having fun too while you're torqued up. It's great. It's great. Love it.

Now, let's get on to this tale of the tape. Today's guest is an American investment banker, former government official and financial commentator. I'm talking about Catherine Austin Fitz. So buckle up. Here we go. Welcome to the Sean Newman podcast. Today I'm joined by Catherine Austin Fitz.

Ma'am, thanks for doing this. Oh, you're most welcome. Took us a while. It did. But that's all right. All things come to those who wait, I think, you know. So I was on a tour of the United States. We did 20 communities.

Turned out it was 25,900 miles from start to finish. And we did about five or six thousand by car. So. Well, I hope to top you on that. You were asking about the thousandth video when we first hopped on the call. And here in, I don't know what it is now, folks, is it 17 days? I actually can't, my brain's a little fried on how many days until we leave. July 5th, we leave for a year-long trip with the podcast.

And my wife and my three children are coming with. and we're going to interview people along the road. And we're going across Canada and down the east coast of the United States and into Tennessee if you're around and all these different places, trying to run into all the people that I've been doing this like this. So we should send out our schedules and you should know. So we're going to be at a whole bunch of us are going to be at Western Price Conference in Washington in October. Okay. So do you know the Western Price folks? I can't say I do.

So it's one of the best food networks in the world. Okay. And once a year they have an annual event. There's another one in, it's a little cold in December. The Acres is going to be in Iowa in December. So anyway, but, you know, plugging into the food networks are a great thing to do. Yes, I would agree. Now, I pulled this off the beaten path here.

Catherine, this is your first time on the podcast. I know a ton of people know exactly who you are. But as much as I want to hop right into all my questions, I think I'd be remiss if I didn't get you to just tell the audience a bit about yourself before we get into any of the topics of the day. Okay. So I'm the publisher of the Salary Report and the managing member of Salary Investment screens, which does investment screens of publicly traded stocks.

And I ended up doing those two businesses. businesses because I had a huge fight with the federal government. And so I started giving out my email on the internet and saying, if you have a question, just email me. Because I'd completely walked out of the, I said, I'm never talking to corporate media again. They're completely useless. And literally, that flow of questions grew into two businesses. And it's just people asking me questions and me answering the questions. And finally, the questions got so, you know, to be so many. I had to hire people to help me. And, and and convert them into businesses. But that's how I ended up doing what I was doing. I used to, a very successful career on Wall Street, I loved it, and then went to become Assistant Secretary of Housing and the Bush administration, tried to stop the mortgage fraud,

and then essentially had to leave because they didn't want the mortgage fraud stopped. And I started a company in Washington, I discovered the internet when I was in the administration, and then we got hired back on competitive bid to be the lead financial advisor for HUD. And once again, we tried to stop the mortgage fraud and got booted out again.

And the history of this thing is I watched the HUD mortgage fraud destroy my neighborhood when I was a child. So I got very interested in money and how does money work and why does everybody make money by destroying the things that build real wealth. So, and that was what started me on my journey to Wall Street. And I had a, you know, I was lucky because I went to a firm where you could keep moving from department to department

because I was trying to learn all the different markets. And I finally realized, oh, wait, this is all being rigged from the central bank and treasury. So I need to go to Washington and learn how that money works. Anyway, so I've been sort of following money my whole life trying to understand. You know, money's a great mapping tool. And I figured out as a child that all the adults were lying to me and each other. So I thought, well, you know, how do I figure, how do I get the real deal and what's really going on? And money became my tool.

I'm really good at math. So money became my tool of sort of mapping out what was really going on. So people say one thing, but then if you look at how their money works, you see what's really going on. When you started staring at money, I assume, you know, it's kind of, I was telling you before we started. You know, when I first started out, the podcast was very athletic focused, hockey player on this. So talked to a lot of athletes. And when I first started into trying to unravel COVID, I was just, you know, I'm like, I'll just start talking a few people. We'll get to the bottom of this and, you know, no time flat.

And then, you know, you fast forward five years now since I started that. And some days I just continue to scratch my head of like, what on earth is going on? When you started following money, okay, well, I like math. I have money. Okay, makes sense. And you started mapping it out and started following it. What surprises did you run into? What surprises did I run into?

I was surprised at how easily people were tricked. That surprised me. And, you know, it's, it doesn't, you know, if you get tricked once and then you get tricked twice and then you get tricked a third time, that surprises me because usually, when I get tricked once, you know, I learn so that I don't get tricked twice. And I was amazed at how easy it was for the people who run monetary policy to trick people.

So, because money, you know, money is a very invisible looking thing. If I walk down the street and you're putting in a data center, I can see that, right? If you're putting up flat cameras, I can see that. But if you're shifting the money in very, you know, powerful ways, it's hard for me to see that if I'm not tracking money. When you say people are tricked, I think of like a scammer calling, you know, and saying, hey, I need some money for this and then you send money or an email these days and you send money and then they hack your account and all of a sudden, you know, whatever number of dollars goes missing. You go, oops, shouldn't do that. And then, you know, you do that two and a third

time and a fourth time. That's not what you're talking about. You're talking about people who control monetary policy. So when you say people are tricked, what do you mean by that? So I vote for a politician who gives me a check for $100 and, you know, or lowers my taxes, $1,000 a year. And I don't notice that what he's doing with monetary policy is stealing more than that out of my purchasing power. So if he's, you know, expanding the money supply and giving money to his pals and that's dramatically reducing the purchasing power of my dollars. And but, but on the fiscal side, he gives me a check for $100. And I think, you know, I vote for him because I think he's helping me. Yeah, this guy's great. Right. And so as you've

stared, how long have you stared at money then? Since I can remember. And so when you say people are tricked, this isn't like, because once again, now I, okay, now I add in the piece of, okay, politicians. Okay, I go. Okay, so this trickery isn't every two months somebody does this. This is like every election cycle. You're like, are people going, yes. This is happening every day. Every day. Every day. And some of it, some of it is behind the scenes. So monetary policy is behind the scenes. But I remember when I worked in Washington, you know, a group of people would come and meet with the secretary. I'll give you, I'll give you this story as an example, because story is always out. So the secretary went to Harlem with Charlie Rangel, who was a congressman from New York. And Charlie

Rangel made a speech, and the secretary promised he would send in all these grants. And so he came back and the secretary ordered me to facilitate awarding those grants. It was all perfectly legal. And the next day, somebody called me from one of the departments and said, you know, you're in trouble with the Heritage Foundation. I said, why am I in trouble with the Heritage Foundation? I said, why am I in with the Heritage Foundation. And they said, well, you know, I think, I think you need to meet with them. I said, I tell you what, I'll have a dinner party. We'll invite their leadership over and we'll find out what the story is and we'll see if we can't fix it. They had supplied a number of people to work in the group at HUD at that time for the secretary is working for. So I had dinner with

some of the top people at the Heritage Foundation. And I said, what have I done to offend you? And they said, well, you know, the secretary went up to New York and he promised all this stuff to in Harlem and to the African American community there with Charlie Rangel. And he came back and told you the I said, yeah, he came back and told me to do it. So I've been implementing it. And they said, no, you don't understand how it works. He goes up and says, you know, he's going to give it. And then, you know, and the cameras filmed him. So the white women in Westchester who vote for us support us because we're helping, you know, the people in, and, and, you know, and Harlem, but you don't send the money because all you need is the picture.

You know, once the cameras roll and we look like we're doing good, you don't waste the money by sending it, but that's your job is to kill it. And I said, well, you don't understand. He gave me an order. He's the boss. He says, jump by say how high, right? I'm not, I'm not going to, you know, sabotage what he ordered me to do. And they said, well, you have to because otherwise, you know, he can't openly on the record admit that he's sabotaging it. So, you have to do it. Well, here's the thing.

I'm not going to do that. I'm going to follow orders. But that, you know, I remember one time we had a group come in on 202 housing, and it was a church group. And again, African American. And so they got promised a whole bunch of stuff, and they left. And the chief of staff and everybody started laughing about, can you believe those guys believed us that we're really going to do all this stuff?

You know, they had no intention of doing it. That is an unfair, like I'm like, okay, Catherine. No, everything was like that. That's how it works. So what is the average everyday person supposed to do with that? So what you're supposed to do is understand that there's a uniparty. And the uniparty's job right now is to centralize political and economic power. They're not your friends.

And you need to take evasive action and stop supporting. them stop you know that one of the ways that we are most manipulated is divide and conquer so you know the first and most powerful divide and conquer you know what it is men versus woman so if if you look at what makes people powerful what makes people powerful are strong and healthy families that build family wealth and the reason it makes them so powerful is you know if you're if If you're in a family and you're in a successful family, then, you know, you don't function according to price. You know, if you hurt one of my babies, you're, we're all in for the war.

You're, we're not going to let you hurt one of our babies. If you ever seen the, the battle at Kroger video? No, I haven't. Oh, Sean, you have to see that. That's my favorite battle. Battle at Kroger, it's Kroger National Park in South Africa. And it's, it's the story. it's an eight-minute story of the water buffaloes against the lions.

And the lions are trying to kill and eat one of the baby water buffaloes. Okay. And what happens is, of course, the water buffaloes decide to, you know, gather and go out to the lions. And now that you're explaining it, I'm pretty sure I have seen this. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. It's amazing.

But here's the thing. In a family, we go to the mat for our family. You know, you can't put space between us and, you know, and it's not a matter of money. It's like, no, if you give me a million dollars to sell out, you know, a member of my family, I'm not doing it, right? So families are difficult to deal with. And moms particularly, Mr. Global has lost consistently on homeschooling and on religious exemptions for vaccines and other things where, you know, mom goes to the mat. And you can't buy mom and you can't trick mom and you can't, you know, they can't figure out how to put space between a mom and her kid. So anyway, so divide and cons are it starts with men and women, but they're right versus left and, you know, old versus lines.

There's a thousand different divide tactics. Right. I'll throw this question at you. I hadn't planned on this, but I do an annual event, Cornerstone Forum. Mm-hmm. And I bring in speakers from all over the world. And, you know, I would say if I were to just take a step back when at first form, three years ago, people largely didn't follow through on the lockdown COVID mask wearing

era, and that's what binded them together. And then you fast forward three years and Iran happens. And I would say I was watching just the interactions of people and going, oh, this is interesting. there have there are people here who are firm fervent supporters of donald trump and there are people that are fervent supporters that don't trump is co-opted by israel that's that's i mean there's probably more groups katherine but i was watching this lovely group of human beings that i'm you know i'm saying the the first night i got there i'm like man some of my favorite people are here like this is

super cool it's like this um i don't know you can't uh the elites would probably try and bottle whatever energies in that room but like it's it's just a really interesting group of people that come together and what i was noticing and i've been trying i've been thinking about it for now uh you know it happened at the end of march so i guess that's three months now i've been sitting there going what is going on and how do i stop this as the guy who's putting it on to be like we need to keep coming together you can't stop talking to one another over a global event you have yes yeah so let me go down I want to go through three things. Sure.

That inform exactly what you're dealing with. Okay. Number one, let's talk about why Donald Trump is the way he is. Okay? Sure. So the U.S. We're just going to talk U.S. government now, but remember the U.S. is in the lead on many responsibilities

on the global dollar syndicate. Okay. So we're talking about a syndicate of people who run the reserve currency. The U.S. government spends every year $6 to $7 trillion. Okay. and then it gets $4 trillion of taxes and tariffs and other revenues, four to five. So every year it has to borrow two to three trillion dollars.

Who's in control? Is Donald Trump in control? Probably not. Right. But everybody in America wants their check, and he can't produce their check unless he dues with the people who run the money and make sure he gets that. He's in a debt trap.

So he's not running anything. Do you see what I mean? Okay, now let's talk about the people in the room who like or hate Donald Trump. Okay. So have you ever heard me tell the red button story? No. Okay, I'm going to tell it again. So in 2000, I was giving a speech called How the Money Works and Organized Crime to a group of people at a conference called Spiritual Frontiers Foundation.

who have a conference once a year to talk about how to evolve our society spiritually. Very well-educated, very attractive people, nice people, and really caring people. So I've been asked by one of their members to give a speech that described the intersection between organized crime cash flows in Washington and Wall Street. So I'm in the middle of the speech, and I'm describing congressional testimony on the so-called Dark Alliance allegations, which was drug running by the U.S. military intelligence into to MENA, Arkansas that deeply involved both the Bushes and Clintons in a partnership under the National Security Council. Okay. And it was part of the so-called Iran-Contra Fair. And at the time of the testimony, a department of justice spokesperson had told a reporter I was working with that the U.S. economy launders $500 billion to a train dollars a year of all illegal cash flows. So that's narcotics trafficking. That's illegal gambling. That's sex slave trafficking. That's child trafficking.

It's all the illegal businesses. So now the number is much bigger because the financial fraud is just explosive. Anyway, so I said to this wonderful group of spiritually evolved people, what would happen if we stopped, if the United States financial system stopped being the global leader in money laundering? So we had a little conversation. And they said, well, you know, we'd have trouble financing the government deficit, you know, getting that $2 to $3 a year. And we would have trouble rolling over the deficit.

So our taxes might go up and our government checks might stop. And we would offend the people who control $500 trillion, $500 billion to a trillion a year and the accumulated capital they're on. And that money would go to Singapore and Hong Kong and London and leave the New York Stock Exchange. And so our IRAs and our 401Ks and our retirement brokerage accounts might go down in value. So I said, okay, let's pretend there's a big red button up here in the lectern. And if you push that button, you can stop all hard narcotics trafficking in your county, your city, your town, your municipality tomorrow. How many people would push the button? And out of 100 people dedicated to evolving our society spiritually, guess how many would push the button?

You're going to tell me a small number. One. So I said to the other 99, why would you not push the button? And they said, we don't want our government checks to stop. We don't want our taxes to go up, and we don't want our 401ks and IRAs and brokerage accounts to go down in value. Just a question on this group. You say spiritually evolved. What does that mean?

They really, their framework for looking at the world is through a spiritual lens, you know, divine versus demonic. And they really care. And they wouldn't push the button. Right. And you know why? Because the golden rule says, do unto others is you would have them. do unto you. But the workaround, you know, that allows everybody to do all the sort of shenanigans is, you know, do unto others as you would have them do unto you, but finance whatever

you want as long as it makes you money. Because if we were really doing it to others as we would have them do unto you, then we would finance unto others as we would have financed unto us. So, for example, if you look at most Americans have their 401ks and IRAs in index funds, And if you look broadly, that means 50% of their money, at least in the stock market, is going to finance the control grid that's going to take away all their money and put them in prison. In other words, they're building. They go to work and they build and finance the prison that's going to destroy their world. I'm going to stick on the spiritually evolved for a second because this is going to bug me.

You've said something that is really bugging me right now. If you live your faith, you read the Bible, there's no way you can do a workaround on what Jesus says. Like to me, that seems so insane. Jesus do the money changers out of the temple. Right? Yes. Right. And in many churches around the world,

you sit down in your pew and you look up and there's a statue of Jesus bleeding on the cross. And the subliminal message is if you mess with our money, you know, this is what's going to happen to you. You're a die young with no kids and no family, right? Hmm. I just, you know, to go to a conference of spiritually evolved people who are looking at the world through a spiritual lens,

and 99 of them are like, yeah, I wouldn't push that button. That seems... You know why? Because they have a fiduciary obligation to take care of their family and they need money to do it. And that's how they get tricked. So, because here's the little secret that you know. There's no way that you build a great civilization, let alone a prosperous civilization by poisoning your kids.

Right? Correct. That's never going to work. That's how you liquidate a population. And what I discovered, the problem was not that they wouldn't push the red button. The problem was that they wouldn't talk about the fact that they were in this situation and how do you turn the red button green? How do you make money pushing the red button? Because then you can.

Because literally we're watching neighborhood after neighborhood had destroyed and liquidated because of addiction to drug money. We're not just addicted to drugs. We're addicted to drug money. I feel like, and maybe, you know, like spiritually evolved is just irritating me because I'm like, I've heard you talk about the People Bank, right, and how you treat people. So you go, wow, we would lose our check. And I would swat that person upside the head.

and be like you're going to get your community back. And when you get your community back, now you have all the people that are going to want to care for you in times of hardship and need. And you go, what the heck are we talking about? How can this be a spiritually evolved or spiritually, yeah, evolved conference? Right, but let's go back. Okay, so the red button story is the second thing I wanted to tell you

about the problem in the room with. The third thing I want to talk about is neurowarfare. Do you know what I mean by neurowarfare? Warfare? I'm assuming you're talking about propaganda. Oh, I'm talking about technology. Okay. That is used to mind control people without their knowing it. I'm talking about high-tech technology.

Okay. It's added to propaganda and disinformation and literally brainwashes people. Well, carry on, Catherine Austin Fitz. Okay. Well, if you come to Salaer, we have something, if you put in mind control, you'll get the mind control collection. with tons of links. We have a great interview on neuro warfare, and we have a series called Cognitive Liberty.

So there is a wealth of information on all the different ways people are manipulated. It's starting with propaganda and disinformation, but with high-tech neuro warfare. I mean, this is military-grade technology being used to brainwash people. With entrainment, with subliminal programming, it's used. I first started to do a lot about it on the Salary Report, because I had dealt with it during the litigation, but then I became an investment advisor and people,

this kind of technology was used to market, you know, lousy investments, fraudulent investments, and fraudulent financial scams to people. And it's part of what gets people tricked into all this stuff. So, and it can be used on any, you know, can be used on any screen technology on any phone. It's basically an electronic overlay is one way to look at it. but you know it's something you might want to go through now sure one of the things I have always

said to people is if you want to get something done in this world you have to network with the people that are not captured by that technology because what you find if somebody's really captured by that they're hard to get it's hard to get them to listen and and and what you want to do when you work with people and try and help them is you want to help the people who want your help and are ready to take action. And the people who've been badly brainwashed are not ready to take action now. As they see you making progress and having fun,

they may come. You know, I've had people who are deeply in the trance realize what they're doing isn't working and see another group of people that's working and they, you know, and then they'll come on over. But I find it's, you know, so if anybody is in the sort of Donald Trump cult, you know, you can't talk to them

because they haven't, they haven't fundamentally faced how the world works and understand that Donald Trump is a theater, you know, in one respect to theater on top of a, um, a financially controlled model. He's not in control. Neural warfare. Could you explain that to me like I'm grade five or, or just slow it down and, and walk me through how it actually works, like what you're talking about? Okay, so let me describe it this way. So, so, because they're different technologies, but the one, the first

Salary report I ever did on neuro warfare was on entrainment, it was entrainment technology, subliminal programming and financial fraud. So here is how, I'm not a scientist, and this is not my expertise, but this is how it's been explained to me. Entrainment makes you feel good. It makes you, it opens you up, it makes you resonate with things that normally you wouldn't resonate. One of the ways we know that something's true is we resonate with it. And if you can induce a false sense of resignation, you can get people to believe or accept things they normally don't.

And then you combine that with subliminal programming. So I don't know if you've ever seen the stories of, you know, people flashing on the movie screen, buy Coke, by Coke, and suddenly everybody goes and bikes Coke. For sure. Or there was a woman a couple years ago who was taking a selfie and the, and the TV was behind her. And it did a subliminal program where it flashed the world kid, world word kill. And she just happened to caught it because it's like one 50 second of a second. And it just, you know, she accidentally caught it.

And there on a TV screen was a sign that said kill. So, or you'll. hear it in songs. A lot of the popular music has subliminal tracks in it. So what you do is you combine resonation with a subliminal that gets you to believe or do something that normally would never do. So when you look at people that won't listen, you're like, oh, you're fighting the, I don't know, the neural warfare that's been played out on you, essentially. Right. So let me give you two examples. I was sitting many, many years ago, it was, I don't know, maybe 2010, and I was sitting in a kitchen and the family in the home, there were two kids and a wife, and her mother was

sitting at the table with me. We're in a, we're in a farming community, and somebody had spread, the mom had gone out and bought all sorts of McDonald's food, and it was laid around the table. But the grandmother wasn't eating it and I wasn't eating it. So I said to the grandmother, why are you not eating the food? She said, oh, well, I used to work at an auction house. And she presumed that I would understand why that would explain it. And I said, I don't understand. And she said, well, we used to separate out the disease cattle for the fast food restaurants.

And so what she meant was, you know, I don't want to eat. It's bad food. Right. Right. But her kids, her grandkids and her child was eating it. And we're sitting there in the kitchen while her grandkids and her daughter is eating this food and their guests are eating this food. And she's not eating it and I'm not eating it. But she has now accepted that she can't persuade her family not to eat it, even though she's telling them the facts of the diseased animals. Okay. So let me keep going. If you ever seen the, the, the documentary Super Size Me? Yes. Okay. So, so I have a relative who's a wonderful person. She cares tremendously about nutrition and taking care of her family. And she kept taking her grandkids to McDonald's. And I, it took me years to finally, I finally got her to watch Super Size Me. I made some kind of deal. She wanted something and I said, I will only do this for you if you watch supersized me. And she came over afterwards and said, oh my God, what have I been doing? I'm never

taking the grant. Thank you so much. I'm never taking the grandkids to McDonald's again. Two weeks later, she dropped her grandkids off. I was going into the museum in town and I was going to take them in the museum with me. And every night she would sit in front of a big digital flat screen TV and with her husband. And so this is two weeks after she watched the document. She dropped the kids off and she said, oh, they're hungry. Why don't you stop at McDonald's and get him something? Complete memory wipe. She had forgotten.

Complete memory wipe. How do you, like, how do you square that story away in your brain when you're seeing it play out in your life? You're like, okay, she's here. Wow. Here we go. And then two weeks later, falls right back in it. You're like, what is going on?

Well, I know what's going on. Well, I, fair. I just mean for it to play out right in front of you. Well, but this is, you know, I've been dealing and watching this my whole life. So I've made a study of how we all get tricked. And I try and help people who don't want to be tricked to, you know, take action so they don't. But what I've tried to understand is, you know, whether it's money tricking them or propaganda tricking them or mind control tricking them, what are all the things that trick us and what do we do about it? How do we build an immune system?

So right now, one of the number one problems that we have in North America, people are being poisoned. The spray overhead is poisoned, the food is poison, the water's poisoning. I mean, everybody and the pharmaceuticals are absolutely poisoning them. So I call it the great poison. It's been going on for decades. And yet you watch mothers and fathers walk into stores and buy the poison and feed it to their children. it's completely irrational why would anybody who love their kids feed their kids poison and yet if you look at all the tactics that are used to engineer that you know we literally have

reached the point where parents will intentionally spend work hard and spend money to buy poison to feed their kids which is poisoning their kids well let's let's think about that question for a second why would parents do it okay i'm a young parent or relatively young, some call me old, some call me young, regardless. Convenience. It's not as bad as what you say. Or spouse will divide on probably what you're talking about, would be my guess. That's three things that I could throw out, and I don't know if I'm right on any of them.

Catherine, you've been obviously staring at this problem for a very long time. When you talk about rep poisoning the youth or we're poisoning a country, sitting in Canada, watching the United States, but here even watching Canada, it's like, yeah, just walk through a supermarket, you'll see it. I mean, it's as simple as that. Right. I mean, I chuckle because you bring up McDonald's and you probably caught it, right? I'm drinking. I'm going to go McDonald's coffee. Why am I doing that? Because I'm leaving for a year and I've stopped using my coffee machine and everything that I do at home in order to just have convenience so I can have a coffee in the morning. And now I'm like, well, crap.

Now I'm like, let's see, I'm like, well, I've fallen into it. Well, but here's the thing. There's difference between, you know, drinking coffee for McDonald's or using the bathroom at McDonald's or eating meat that's been, you know, that's full of antibiotics and maybe diseased, right? For sure, for sure. And not to mention the fries and everything else. I've read books on, well, just the fast food industry in general, how awful it is for you, right? So you go back to it, why do people do it? Well, we're addicted to lots of different things.

One of them is convenience or ease. I mean, you look at what's going on with digital money, right? Like, I look at it, I'm like, is it inevitable? I listen to you and you're like, one of the things that draws me to is, is no, we have to fight this. Of course it's not inevitable. Right. So imagine, imagine getting a telephone call that said, you know, either you transgender one of your three children or we're going to turn off your money. Yeah, well, turn off my money.

Yeah. Yeah. Right. But imagine getting that call. Why would you walk into that world? Why would you build that world? Why would you finance that world? But again, if I look at the retirement accounts of most Americans and I suspect,

Canadians do. They're financing it. They're building it with their money. Well, I watch people that I greatly respect and and just people in general, right? How many people have everything on their phone now? Just everything. Like literally credit cards pay with that. And I'm like, we know where this leads. This doesn't lead anywhere good. And I don't. And I don't see how using your phone for everything and having a card or take it one step even further, having cash, how that's like so much more convenient. I, I just, it boggles my mind. And yet I see, well, I think everybody sees it. Everybody's doing it. I don't know. I just, I told you,

I just came from a 20 city tour. Yeah. And I was surrounded by, I was surrounded by people everywhere I want who don't do it, who eat wonderful fresh food, who have great lives are doing very well. I mean, you know, if you want to be prosperous, you can't be prosperous if you're poisoned. So I litigated with the federal government for 11 years. I was poisoned eight times during that litigation. And what I can, and then I did a huge detox.

And what I can tell you is you are not productive when you're poisoned. What do you mean you were poisoned eight times during that? I was poisoned eight times. It's a, it's a very common weapon in situations like that. You know, because what you want to do, you know, you don't want to kill people. You want to weaken them and make them look like they're losers, right? Because the goal, of course, is to win. And that's why a lot of times when you assassinate somebody, you'll make it look like it was a suicide and you'll say it was a suicide.

Because you want to make them out to be a loser, not a winner, right? Right. And so one of the great ways of getting people to fail and look like losers is you poison them. So they don't look healthy, they're tired, they don't have a lot of energy, they can't fight you. So poisoning, like they poison your food type thing. Right, right. So how do you protect against that, right? As you become, I mean, I watch what, I watch.

Here's how you protect against you. It's prayer. You start with prayer, but then you do everything you can to fill your life with people and companies and institutions that have integrity. The world is still full of wonderful people with, you know, wonderful values who don't do that kind of stuff. But you've got to stop hunkering after, you know, there's a lot of people who just want to climb the ladder of success. And they hunger after, you know, being associated with all sorts of things which are prestigious.

And what that comes down to is simply filling your life with people you can't trust, you know who if you don't do what they say will poison you right keep them out of your life don't don't embrace and bring organized crime into your life don't bring it into your house don't bring it into your living room don't bring it into your bedroom don't marry it don't date it you know what great advice it's like if you don't agree with me i'm going to poison your feud what who would be friends with that but i mean i've seen it all my life everybody you you know, they, I used to have a wonderful alley and say they pine for the day. My nickname for this, you know, the people who run the world, the central bankers is the tapeworm.

Do you know how tapeworm works in your body? The tapeworm injects in you a chemical that makes you hunger for what's good for the tapeworm and bad for you. So you feed the tapeworm. So that injection is the corporate media and the entrainment technology and the subliminal programming, all the mind control. It makes you crave what's good for the tapeworm. And so, you know, a group of banks can get together and during the bailouts essentially steal $29 trillion and you're still banking with them. I mean, so let me give you a perfect example. I just was talking with somebody about this yesterday.

If you look at them, you remember the Madoff fraud? So Madoff lost $60 billion of people's investments in a Ponzi scheme. He was a money manager in New York, $60 billion worth of family money and foundation money. money invested in him and he just lost it. It was a Ponzi scheme. So, so, so families and foundations lost $60 billion. Okay. So I'm interviewing on the Salary report, one of the top attorneys who represented the Madoff victims and she was a Madoff victim herself, very capable woman. And she was telling me that the only bank account that the asset management business and Madoff had was they had one account at J.P. Morgan Chase from the mid-90s on. And you can listen to this on the

Salary Report interview on J.P. Madoff. And so I said to her, I said, well, if there was only one bank account, who was the securities custodian? And she said, well, there was none because he never bought any securities. And I said, Helen, don't you realize J.P. Morgan Chase controlled. under the Bank Secrecy Act, you can't take in $60 billion, not send a dime to securities custodian. You know the guy's not buying securities. You know it's a Ponzi scheme. You know it's a fraud. They were leaving, according to her, they were leaving $6 to $9 billion just sitting at J.P. Morgan Chase interest-free. So it was a funding mechanism for J.P. Morgan Chase. Okay. Now, that was all described. That was all promoted. That was all explained during the

bailouts, went 29 trillion, went out to the banks, and families lost 60 billion through Madoff. That was all known. Okay, this is all public knowledge. Why are millions and millions of Americans banking with J.P. Morgan Chase? That's mind control. And if I ask any one of them, you know what they'll say? What do they say? Oh, I'm not important. I don't count. What? Right. That's what they say. So let me give me another one. People would come to me when I was an investment advisor and say, you know, I have $5 million, I have $10 million, I have $20 million. But my financial planner says that until I have $25 million, I can't afford to buy my kids a house because I need at least $25 million to be safe in retirement.

Now listen to that. You know the thing that makes you safe in retirement is your kids love you and care about you. You've taken care of them and they're taking care of you. Okay. Your asset, you have, I've listened to you, you have five assets in this world. Your three children, your wife and yourself. Those are your assets. And your money exists to support those assets, right? Those assets are not, your assets are not which you've got in your bank account or which you've got in your brokerage account, right? And your job is not to liquidate those five people to get a bigger and bigger brokerage account that finances the control grid and the national security state, right? But if you listen to most financial planners, that's what they'll tell you.

The thing that's going to make you safe is your kids are there for you during retirement and they'll help you and take care of you. Right? And that they're healthy and they're making good choices and they're protected from the evils of this world, which are trying to pray on us all at all the same time. I'm happy you said prayer earlier on because I'm like, you know, Catherine, when I walked into the freedom convoy, I was a moron. I was naive to the wiles or the darkness this world has. And since that point in time, although it took some time, you know, prayer has become a daily, well, more than a daily, it happens all day long. But regardless, it's become part of life. And I didn't have that before. And if you're unprotected to what's going on in the world,

which can't be seen, there are things going on that are influencing that you can't even begin to fathom. Right. Well, here's what, you know, I'll describe it this way. If you're in right, we call it right relationship. If you're in right relationship, then you're going to be fine. You're going to be fine until the day that it's time for you to leave and then you'll leave, right? But until then, if you're in right relationship, you're protected and you're protected against the most amazing things. And so many people are running around worrying about how to protect them from the bad guys. And I believe that the most important thing you need to do is get into good with the good guys, right? Because if you're good with the good guys, the good guys protect you.

So don't worry about the bad guys because there's not enough time and money in the world to protect yourself against them. What you can do is you can get in good with the good guys and they will protect you. And who are the good guys, Catherine? So, you know, it's God, the Holy Spirit and and the sun. It's it's it's divine intelligence. You know, our world is ruled in, you know, this isn't a story of Ephesians. So we are ruled by spiritual powers and the universe is alive. If you look at science, it teaches us that 99% of the universe is made up of plasma and plasma. And plasma is alive and intelligent. Right. And so, so we live in a living universe. And the thing that has value is life, whether it's the people and the, you know, the livestock or the plants or the animals,

it's life. And we are not here to liquidate life to make money for some, you know, some central bankers. We are here to love each other and and to live in right relationship. And prayer is your navigation tool. If you, sorry, no, finish. You go. Well, I would, you said really, really, on in the conversation, I wrote it down, what builds real wealth. And in my brain, I was listening, but I immediately went, well, it's, it's the, the things that interact with you on a daily basis. As you pointed out, in my life, myself and then my family, right? Like, that's, that's actually what real wealth is, because if any of that, it's attacked, or, you know, I go in my life, if I were to get divorced from my wife or something along those lines, then there's things that start to

creep into my fortress of solitude. Right. And that is what real wealth is. And people who have that need to be reminded of that more and more. Right. Because in the world, you know, like everyone's, well, you just get divorced. It's not a big deal. Like life moves on.

It's a very big deal. It's a very big deal because you've broken a very important covenant. It's hard to get righteous protection when you run around breaking your covenants. Righteous protection. I like that. Right. Right. Well, where are you going to get your power?

Right. If you're going to do the things you want to do in life, if you're going to raise a family, if you're going to be a good husband, if you're going to be a good father, where are you going to get the power to do that? Well, God. Right. Right. I didn't know that until, I mean, four years ago, a little less than four years ago.

So did the truckers teach you that? No. No. I mean, yes and no. I put it to you this way. I went to the convoy and World War I, right? You got the good guys and the bad guys, or at least as they explain it. And then you got no man's land in the middle, right?

You got trench warfare. Nobody goes in the middle because if you do, you're dead. And what I didn't realize what was going to happen at the convoy is it was a crazy amount of good people. Yes, full stop. unbelievable people. But there were also people there from an opposing side. I mean, obviously, that became the center point of the world for the time it was going on. And I walked around a no man's land.

And I put that from a spiritual perspective. There was spiritual warfare going on. I had no idea, Catherine. And so what taught me about Ephesians 6 is I lived it. I just walked through it. I was like, what is going on? I know what's going on. I'm losing my mind.

I did lose my mind. I became schizophrenic. Like, what is happening to me? And then I came home and ran into God. And I was like, oh, can you take this all away? Yes, I can. I'm like, what? Take it away from me now and you have me.

Boom. It's all gone. And I walk, you know, you just like, you walk around with that protection. It's like, yeah, can they try and do things to me? They certainly can. But I don't fear about it anymore. And certainly when I was in Ottawa, I lived in, man, coming back from Ottawa, I lived in, I just was a shell of myself for a period of time because I didn't know what was going on.

Mm-hmm. Yeah. So was it the truckers? It was what the truckers were, what they did that put me in a place that I was going to experience something I couldn't fully understand. Right. So the truckers understood what was really going on. I mean, and it's interesting because I, from 1990, 98 on, I started a process of driving around the country and spending a lot of time on the road. And one of the groups I found that was the most capable and knowledgeable about what was going on with the truckers. So, and because I love to drive, I've always said when I die, I'm going to be reincarnated and come back as a trucker. But the truckers, there were two groups that really understood what was happening. One was the truckers and the other was the janitors and cleaning lady.

Sure. They see everything and they get incredible intelligence networks, especially if they're networked to churches. And so I would run into these incredible networks of people who would teach me and help me and had figured out a lot. But so that's why I was. Well, my father was a trekker. I mean, it is a trucker. He went across the country. And he told me in the middle of COVID,

you ever want to shut down this country, just piss off the truckers? And I mean, it was prophetic because I mean like literally, you know, what was it dead? Six months later, all of a sudden they go after the truckers and everything stops, right? And there was such unity,

you know, and in this country, specifically Canada, and it's probably the United States and other places too, but Canada on steroids, how do we get everything? By people who drive,

truck. That's right. They're they're just around us all the time and they travel the country and most truckers, lots of them travel more than just a country. They travel North America and they get to see and experience different things and see them real time. Right. They see what's going on and they talk to each other. Yes. And a lot of them have military background. So then so then would you so like one of the things I haven't really thought about it this way, Catherine. In Canada, the trucking industry, is being taken over by immigrants, right? Like, it's really being taken over. Like, once upon a time, my dad would say,

everybody talked to one another. You had your own wave. I remember as a kid going with them and how that was. So the immigrant is a temporary plan. What they want to do is electrify trucks and automate them. So no drivers, no human drivers. You know, basically you got software that's easy to central, controlled, particularly if the trucks are electric.

And that's where they're going. And the immigrants are temporary. It's just a phase. You're phasing out the domestic population using immigrants. They're more controllable and more economic. And then you phase into complete automation. And they won't complain because they won't complain the way the domestic population would.

So I don't mean to be dark, but that's the plan. Well, I, I, um, you go as dark as you want. I love your, I honestly, you know, like, it's, when you sit and you think about it, it's like, well, that actually makes sense, right? They're going to try and automate that. I mean, when you get all your, your, your goods and services via truck and you look at the death rate or, or the crashes and all the things going on there, bringing in immigrants, although maybe more controllable, I just think they don't talk the language and they are more. dangerous and by being more dangerous, by being more dangerous, you sell that the automated trucks are going to be safer and everybody champions it in. Yeah, exactly. So it's it's dark, but I'm like, I don't know, it's not that dark. Like I so this is a way to think about it. We have a problem

and and it's a governance problem. You have a secret governance system and if you look at where they're going, they're looking at changing the house of civilization works in a way which is very, very negative. You know, they basically want to end freedom for most people. And my point of view is that where they're going is very dark. And I don't want to go there. I don't want to be part of the world they're building. And I don't think they have the power or the right to do this.

It's very demonic. And so my attitude is we have a secret governance problem. And that's the problem that needs to get addressed. And the first thing you do by, you know, to address it is you bring transparency to it. You know, you turn on the lights. Yes. And that's what we're all trying to do. That's what you're trying to do.

That's what I'm trying to do. We're just trying to turn on the lights. Because when you turn the lights, what you realize is, you know, they're a small group of people. They can't control everything ultimately. And so not only do we need to reject what we need to understand who they, they are and what they're doing, but then we need to, you know, we need to build plan B because their plan's not going to work and it's going to make a huge mess. And, you know, when their mess is through, we need to be moving towards a real civilization.

I'm running out of time with you. Plan B, when you say, we need to build the plan B, the plan B is I've always heard of is running away. You go off to some other foreign land. You have your plan B. You're not talking about that. No, I'm talking about walking right into the middle of the temple and turning, you know, turning the whole ship right there. So, so there is no way, there is no running away. There is no running into the woods. There is no, you know, you've got to deal with the real problem and clean out the house. Right. So, so you've got, you have to walk into the center of things. And, and that includes, you know, bringing, you know, bringing, transparency to how the money really works and and how we keep getting tricked and manipulated and what we're going to do about it. So, you know, that's why I'm trying to give people all the different actions they can take to stop the control grid because they don't want to live in a control. Nobody wants to live in a control grid. Where, forgive me, before I let you out of here, I should

have brought this up earlier. You'd made reference to it. Where can people go and find all your resources, find you, Catherine, where would you direct them to? So my website is salari.com. It's the Salary Report, S-O-L-A-R-I. And what I would suggest is the most precious time, everybody listening, the most precious thing everybody has is their time. And I would look up a piece called Coming Clean,

and it's a series of 24 steps you can take to detox the tapeworm out of your life, so to speak. And as you detox the tapeworm out of your life, you get more righteous and you get more powerful. And it's called, you know, think of this as a, is a, you know, a spiritual coming clean, a legal coming clean, a financial coming clean. You know, we're trying to get the bad stuff out of our lives and we're trying to live healthy lives. So I was laughing when I saw your thousand show video is like a four and a half minute video. And you were talking about you stopped drinking.

right? And that is a very powerful thing to do. I don't know what you would say. How much more physical energy and clarity did you get? How much money did you save and how much physical strength did you build by taking that one step? So one of the things I noticed was I just had more energy for the kids. So like when you drink on a weekend, because it wasn't like I was drinking every day of the week, you know, you drink on a Friday night, right? You go and you have too many beers on a Friday night. Actually, what that does is, is it shuts you off for Friday night, and it shuts you off from before Friday night because you're thinking about Friday night.

And then the next day, you're groggy, you're short-tempered, you're irritable, you're all the things. So there goes Saturday when I get to spend time with my kids, because right now they're in school. And so, you know, when I think about time saving, The money savings is kind of like, well, I'm sure that I've found different ways to use my money, hopefully more efficiently these days. But it was the time for me because so much of my life was focused on the weekend, having fun on the weekend, and then recuperating from the weekend to all of a sudden start thinking about the weekend again. And taking that circuit out, like this, boop, it's gone. And it took a little bit of time.

I don't even think about the weekends anymore. I coach my kids. You know, we had a rain out the other night. Catherine, I just, there goes a truck. We had just a huge storm the other night. So I told the kids, I said, well, let's stay inside. We'll play some board games.

So we played board games for like, I don't know, four hours. By the end of my capacity for patients with three young children playing competitive, of board games. I was like, oh, man, it's going to be time for bed. But regardless, I just think about that. And I go, if I was drinking, though I don't think I would have the patience in order to see things like that through. So you go, it's giving me all the time back. I just don't live for the weekend. I almost kind of forget what day of the week it is because I, I'm like, every day seems like it's the weekend. Right. You know, like, I don't know, it's, the benefits it's added to life are almost immeasurable in the positive side. Right.

And the negative side is, you know, I don't know. Maybe I don't hang out with certain friends as much as I used to. Right. But do you have any idea how much time and money is spent trying to talk people into various addictions? In other words, there is a concerted effort. This gets back to the mind control. Well. To get people addicted to something.

Hockey player, right? You probably don't know this about, but, you know, I played hockey around the world. not NHL folks. I have to preface that all the time. But regardless, what have you seen to the Canadian audience? It's been on absolute steroids. Every commercial during the NHL playoffs is what?

Sports gambling. And everybody's competing for that. And I'm like, you realize like gambling is a huge addiction. Why are we injecting that into something that I love? Hockey is such a beautiful sport. And they found a way to tarnish it or to add in a poison. So let me just mention this.

I know I'm forcing us to go over. No, no. Let me be very clear. On this side, I got all the time in the world for you. You take as much time as you want. On the mind control collection at Salary, one of the books that we list. So these are all the best videos, books,

and other sources on mind control, including the Salary report on mind control. And one of my favorite sources that most help me understand mind control is a book called Addiction by Design. And it is the story of how they created software and techniques with slot machines to create gambling addiction. And it's mind control. They are using mind control to create addiction and get people addicted to gambling with slot machines.

And it was written by a professor at Tufts and MIT. and I think it's very long and very detailed. And what you realize is billions of dollars of research has been done to help figure out how to do this. And you can't believe when you read it that this is all legal. Because you're literally intentionally using all sorts of science and technology to trick people into getting brainwashed

and then you've got them hooked and you make money destroying their families and their lives. and it's all intentional. Well, yeah. Intentionally, you think of how many billions of dollars were spent figuring that out. Right. When you see the research and the whole history of it, it's quite astonishing. It's a very scholarly treatment.

This is not, it's a very serious scholarly treatment. But when you realize this is a major, major industry brainwashing people in ways that make you money. So it's funny. I used to always, I had one wonderful ally who I had warned about all this stuff because he was an investment person. And I really struggled with clients being targeted with investment scams using entrainment technology on the phone and on the internet. And so I warned him about all of this and this was something he needed to deal with. And I talked to him one day and he was complaining that one of his family, members had bought a car they couldn't afford online. And I said, well, did you warn them about the

entrainment? He said, no, I don't share conspiracy theories with my family. I said, well, buddy, it's your fault because they got tricked. I'm sure they got tricked with entrainment. They bought something they couldn't afford because they were online and they were, you know, and that's how, that's how it works. So it's, if you don't protect your family members against getting tricked like that, you know, you have only yourself to blame. It's not a conspiracy theory. Yeah, yeah, I would agree. When it comes to your family and building real wealth, like I'm sitting here and it's funny, I'm like, man,

I got my work cut out for me on this Larry report because I'm like, you just rattled off like seven things. I'm like, that sounds interesting. That sounds interesting. That sounds interesting. And you, you preface it by, I know time's important,

which it is. And so you go, here's what you focus on. So the whole point of coming clean, coming clean is like a buffet and you read it, but you only do what is energizing for you this week. In other words, you know, if taking two hours to do this thing, this one thing of the 24 things will improve my life, I do that. I get an improvement that hopefully saves me more time than I do the next one.

You sequence it so that it's net energy plus to you. It saves you money or, you know, whatever. And I call it turtling. You just keep turtling it. But what you ought to do, one of your most important jobs is protecting your children from the mind control technology. So let me say it this way. One of the best books I've ever read on young women transgendering, their number one piece of advice is never give your kid a smartphone. Now, let me tell you what a smartphone is in a child's hand.

So you've seen the James Bond movies. You know who Spector is. Right? Yes. When you give a child a smartphone, you give Spector 24-7 access to your child, they're conscious and their subconscious. Is that a good idea? No.

Right. But that's what you're doing. And the question is, in a society where kids are constantly encouraged to want to have a smartphone and get addicted to the things on a smartphone, how do you help them live a life where they're very, very happy and successful without sending them down any of those really dangerous pathways? Now, there's a way to do it, but you as a parent have to have a strategy on how you're going to help them learn and deal with tech without getting basically brainwashed and and become a victim of neural warfare.

That's what you've got to figure out. And what I would, how old are your kids? 10, soon to be nine, and later this year, seven. And they're all a boy girl. Boy girl, boy. Boy girl, boy. Okay, so you've got both. Okay, so what you need is a strategy to get them educated

without getting them brainwashed. and you have to understand, you know, what is happening both in the schools and with technology in the world so that you are successful at that. And that's where I would focus because that, if your family is going to have a financial disaster, it's because one of those kids gets tricked by this. That's where you get financial disasters. So leaving for a year and homeschooling for a year would fall into the line of trying to figure this out. Yeah. Now, here's what you need to do. Because if you're going to be, are you going to be

traveling in an RV? Yeah. Okay. You got to keep them off the screens. You got to keep them outdoors. So the most successful parents I know, they got them playing soccer. They got them. They want to roam with their friends. You know, the number one, if you, if you do surveys of kids, you know, the number one reason they're on screens is they want to be with their friends, but they're not free to roam outside with their friends. Okay. Okay. So, you want to create all sorts of condition as you're traveling where they can be outside with other kids and they can get together with other kids without adults in a way that you feel they're safe right so that's what they want so figure out how they can be with other kids outdoors not on screens you know

and not feel like they're being you know supervised well to the audience listening to this across Canada. There's the challenge then because we're coming rolling through the Newman tornado is coming and if you got young kids and you want them to hang out with three rambunctious children we could probably make something happen. Certainly and being outside Catherine, I mean that's what we do as far as smartphones go you know like don't let them have a smartphone 100 100 but what I what I see coming is more and more kids at my eldest age, 10, are starting to have cell phones and it only gets worse year by year you watch kids get older. And I'm like, oh, this is going to be a battle. Because, you know, like I was the kid when I was

in university or college, my wife hated it, but I had no phone. Nobody could get a hold of me. I loved it. I missed those days when nobody could get hold of me. If they need a phone, get them a flip phone. Correct. Put it in a Faraday bag. Give them a, you know, it's a salary report. We have Faraday bags. You can buy and I'll send you something. If you give me, send me a mailing address. I'll send you some Faraday bags and get them a flip phone and teach them how to put it in a Faraday bag when they are not using it. Well, Catherine, this has been just enjoyable. I'm sure people are like, well, this got really personal right at the end, but I appreciate you coming on and doing this. This has not been, you know, it takes a- But here's a thing. Do you know how we're going to succeed?

So there are eight billion people on the planet. As every one of them gets impossible. to trick and be manipulated, that's how we succeed. And it doesn't, it doesn't take everybody. If you go back and look at nonviolent revolutions, it's five to 10% of the population. You know, you need five to 10% that need to be really hard to trick. That's how we do it. And you do it one person at a time, right? Yeah, I agree with you. It has been a pleasure to sit across for me and get to get to experience a conversation with it. I've really enjoyed it. I'm, I'm, I'm, I told you I had to get off, but I just was enjoying it too much. So I had to stay on. Well, here's the thing on a podcaster's side, I have no time frame, right? But I want to be

respectful of you and appreciate you doing this. So you're going to send me your schedule. Yes. So that we, I need to, I need to see the map of where you are to see where we cross. Sure. And if you want some Faraday bags, send me a mailing address. and I'm happy to send them because you're going to need them on the RV. Well, I tell you what, I have my wife chuckles at me because I already have Faraday bags. And so I've, yes, I have them. And I go, well, it depends on it. I would love to have a Salary Faraday bag.

So we'll talk about that off air. Thanks again for doing this and for hopping on the podcast. Thanks, Sean. You have a great day.