Shaun Newman Podcast - #1080 - Elizabeth Nickson

Episode Date: June 24, 2026

Elizabeth Nickson is a Canadian journalist, author, and commentator known for her high-profile international media career and sharp criticism of radical environmentalism. She started as a reporter for Time magazine in London and later served as European Bureau Chief for Life magazine in the late 1980s and early 1990s, covering major stories and interviewing figures such as Nelson Mandela, Margaret Thatcher, and the Dalai Lama. Her books include the 1994 novel The Monkey Puzzle Tree, inspired by the CIA’s MKUltra experiments, and the 2012 nonfiction bestseller Eco-Fascists: How Radical Conservationists Are Destroying Our Natural Heritage.Cornerstone Forum 26’https://shaunnewmanpodcast.substack.com/Silver Gold Bull Links:Website: https://silvergoldbull.ca/Email: [e-mail] Grahame: [phone]Bow Valley Credit UnionBitcoin: www.bowvalleycu.com/en/personal/investing-wealth/bitcoin-gatewayEmail: [e-mail] Get your voice heard: Text Shaun 587-217-8500

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We're going to be hopefully unveiling some new conversations as we get going. All right. Let's get on to that tale of the tape. Today's guest is a Canadian writer, journalist, and author. I'm talking about Elizabeth Nixon. So buckle up. Here we go. Well, welcome to the Sean Newman podcast. Today I'm joined by Elizabeth Nixon. Ma'am, thanks for hopping on.

My great pleasure, Sean. Thank you. Now, first time you've been on the show, Elizabeth, so for the audience, maybe just, I don't know, tell us a little bit about yourself. Okay. Well, I'm Canadian. I left Canada after graduate school and moved to New York, and I worked for Time Magazine, mostly in Europe. And I was European Bureau Chief of Life magazine. And then I just kind of went freelance. I was on staff at Time Inc. And I kind of looked around for other but after time it was like being at the peak of the mountain top you could do anything anyone would talk to you you could open any door and so i just decided to work freelance and i wrote a novel about the cia mind control experiments in

montreal in the 50s and 60s in which my mother was involved and yeah, and then I came home in 98 because my father was dying and my mother is, or was, a bit fragile, and I needed to be near her just to make sure she was stable, so I had to reconstruct a career that was quite sort of high-flying from, the absolute ends of the earth, right? I mean, for me, I thought, oh my God, I'm going to end up writing about trees and fish. And in fact, that's what happened. I moved to Salt Spring. I bought a little forest here when I was working in London,

and I got involved with the environment movement because that's where I live is a node of that movement, and leadership lives here, and a lot of the plans are both made here and affected here. And so I became quite obsessed with that. And I wrote about it. I was a columnist for the Globe and then the National Post. And I would just, first of all, I was very enthusiastic. I grew up in the country in Southern Quebec.

I thought, oh, this is a great thing, oh, blah, blah. And I went to the meetings. and I interviewed everybody and I would publish stuff at Harper's Magazine in New York and in the Sunday Times magazine and and then I started to ask questions, does this make sense? And I started to interview people on the other side, fishermen, engineers, foresters, miners, all of the people that make our lives work and which the environmental movement we're trying to shut down. and in fact not only shut down, but to extinguish from the face of the earth. And then I started writing about that.

And at that point, my life became kind of dangerous because I was a victim of a lot of death threats and hate and people driving into my driveway at midnight with music blaring and headlights. And it was pretty, and I had stalkers. I had five stalkers, and one of them was so bad we took them to court twice. I got involved with what I think was the very dark side of the left. And because I was writing for prominent newspapers and magazines, they saw me as a target and something that was necessary to silence.

So eventually what I did was I went to, I found a publisher in New York at Harper Collins, Adam Bello, who is Saul Bellow's son, who's a Canadian and won a Nobel Prize. And he's a great editor. And together we did this book called Eco-Fascists. And I traveled all the way through the states and talked to the people were having the environmental movement forced on them. And so I spent time with ranchers and farmers and foresters, a lot of foresters, always engineers, always engineers. Because that's applied science. And they were discovering that the environmental science that was being forced on them by the bureaucracy. And, you know, every little town had a cadre of activists.

It was just forcing change, forcing change, forcing change, forcing change. and the people who were, you know, cutting trees and pulling stuff out of the ground and running cattle were finding that it didn't work. It was destructive. So what was happening to them that over time, say a decade, their business was being cut by as much as 50 percent, and that took them out of profit. So that meant that the towns and the villages and the counties that were bent on feeding us, clothing us, extracting minerals, making everything that makes our lives livable,

all our housing, these were dying. It was dying. So that was a very powerful book, which is still, because I didn't do it from the climate change perspective, I did it from the land perspective. Very few other people have done that work. So I'm still talking about it 10, 15 years later. I'm still taught because it hasn't been addressed.

It hasn't been fixed. We haven't fixed the over-regulation of the forests and mining. Those fires that we see every summer that are blamed on climate change, It's not. It's environmental mismanagement of our industrial forests. It's not climate change. What they've forced on us is a kind of natural regulation with regard to the forest. So that means that my parents were friends with the lieutenant governor here who had been a president of Crown Zellerbach. And one afternoon he told me, look, we. used to clean up the forest. We would pull deadfall out of the creeks. We would burn all the,

all the branches and the log and all the detritus that we left on the forest floor. We'd clean up it. And there would be these wide clear cuts, which acted as forest breaks. That was all stopped. And what happened was that all these little trees grew up. None of them were up pruned. It was like a forest of carrots would desiccate the earth and you'd get one lightning strike and it was like a tinderbox. The whole forest explodes in flames. And that's happened every summer for the last 20 years. And what I describe has been meticulously documented by the Department of Interior in the states and ignored because the environmental,

Well, I think it's a business. The environmental movement is so powerful that we have not been able to address this unbelievably destructive thing. They've done the same thing with the fisheries. They've done the same thing with mining. As you probably know, BC has more rare earth minerals than any other place on earth. We haven't even started to test that properly. of the environmental movement. So, well, so that's basically what I've spent the last 10 years doing.

You know, on the forest fires thing, because I got to interview a whole bunch of people when the big forest fires were going, what was that Banff? What was that two years ago now? Is it roughly time? And so I talked to a whole bunch of forest management people, and they said exactly what you're talking about, right? And then we saw it come out in government documents that they basically aren't managing the forest.

and when you don't do that, forest fires are going to become a problem. And actually, if I go further back to Dr. Patrick Moore, he was, you know, the former guy from Greenpeace. I know, Patrick. He told me on a podcast that the problem with Greenpeace was once it had accomplished its goals, it had become an entity. It had become a business. And then it needed to do things to justify jobs and money coming in and et cetera. and so then they started getting more and more into different things and off of what they'd started with. So when you come back to the forest fires, it's like, well, I mean, at some point, they stopped proactively managing the forest.

That had consequences that helped with the idea that the world is burning, right? Because, I mean, I'm married to a girl from Minnesota. When I go down to Minnesota, they all talk about, can you guys just figure out the forest? forest fires, like I know climate change bad and all the things. And you're like, actually, when I talk to forest management people, they're like, we just stop managing the forest. And if we're not going to do that, we're going to continue to have all these bad things go on. So I sit and I go, I don't know how you traveled. I think you just said North America. Yeah. Talking to people about this. Yeah. Why is it not catching up? Is it because they're so well funded on the other

side? Yeah, I mean, there's just so much money available for this. And it's all, it's, I don't know if you've ever done a kind of deep dive on regulation and rules making, but in order to change a regulation and all the rules that come from it, it requires maybe five years of work. And nobody does it because it's much more advantageous for the bureaucracy to have these rules and regulations to manage and impose, then to get rid of them, because to get rid of them means their jobs are at risk. So you've got something that's, I mean, they say that bureaucracy brought down the Roman Empire, and that is exactly what's happening now. I, because of where I live, I live on an island which, for, you know, Canada should be a magnificent economic engine. It's so beautiful here. We have beaches, we

have endless water, we have the most magnificent scenery. It could be like Nantucket or Martha's Vineyard. It could be contributing hundreds of millions of dollars a year to the economy, and it's been locked down by this vicious cadre of academic. and bureaucrats who will not let anything be birthed. So if you try to start a business, immediately the environmental industry will commit themselves to ending your business. And that has happened all the way through British Columbia for the 25 or 30 years that I've lived here.

And it's why we're in, I think our debt is in the, is like, I mean, we are a profoundly indebted sub-sovereign state because we haven't been allowed to grow. And it's entirely the environmental industry. There's an iron triangle, right? So you have activists at one end, you've got bureaucrats at this peak, and then you have legislators. So activists like harass legislators who say, okay, I'll bloody will do it. And then they send it to the bureaucrats who make all the regulations and laws. And I've been at legislatures where they're debating a new environmental rule.

And the only people there are environmental activists, and they're doorstepping, everybody that comes through the door. There's nobody else there. There's no producers, no people from business, no people from the, you know, chamber. of commerce, it's just activists saying, this must happen, this must happen. If you don't do this, we are going to set the media on you and destroy your career. So that when I was talking to foresters in Northern California, they say we will bring people up from the legislature and we'll show them what's happening and they say, oh my gosh, that's right. We've got to go back. We've got to change that and then they go back and lock and vote lockstep with the sierra club and greenpeace and

whoever the hell else is working down there and when we call them up they say i'm sorry they'll destroy my career if i vote against them they will destroy my career i'll be over and so that's what's going on and that's what's happening in british columbia right now and anywhere else that has um a jurisdiction that the environmental business wants to destroy. So when you, in all your research Elizabeth then, right? Because I, I chuckle like you go back to what you're talking about way,

you know, a few minutes ago, I guess not way back, but like back in your career, you're like, well then I just started asking questions. And I started talking to the other side because I'm like, well,

maybe I should, you know, oh, that's a dangerous thing. Don't ask questions. Because if you do, you might, you might find out some information.

That could contradict what your, your, your beliefs are. So you fast forward to where he's sitting now and you go, okay, you got this iron triangle. How do you possibly, how do we possibly undo this

without the fall of Rome, without the fall of civilization? Like how do you get back to where we get to just common sense, where we go, you know, there's a way to do this, folks, without, you know, destroying the entire planet to get the goal. It's like, actually,

there's a lot of human flourishing that can happen if we just start doing things that would be in everyone's best interest. Yeah. Well, you know, I mean, it's just that, okay, so the answer to how is, for instance, Trump's Department of Interior is just taking a blow torch to regulation. and that is going to unleash unbelievable productivity in rural America. You have to vote in the right people, and you have to also vote in everybody down ticket, too. So one of the things that I've been working on is voter theft, and we now know that I am convinced that the last four Canadian elections were stolen.

I'm convinced that the recent BC election for the NDP was stolen, and there's been a lot of work done on that, and I've spoken to the guy. I mean, it was within, you know, 15 or 20. I'm going to stop you right there because I'm going, okay, I literally just said this. I can rationalize out 2015 because I'm like, okay, Trudeau comes in, people want something new.

He's, you know, he's got the hair and the socks and I don't know, all the things. I don't see it. But regardless, I'm like, I can kind of rationalize it. After that, I can't rationalize it anymore. It makes no sense to me. You're saying the last four Canadian elections. So that means Trudeau, Trudeau, Trudeau, Kearney. Yeah.

Yeah. I think that Harper was going to win that election and he bloody well should have. Yeah, I think I started getting involved with voter theft after 2020. I started reading into it, and I've written about, probably about 50,000 words. I've talked to everybody in the States that has worked on it, and there's some wonderful people doing it. But we now know that the elections are stolen by the left in 72 countries, and that the software comes out of Venezuela. It was written by Venezuelans and Dominion soft dominion was part of it.

Part of the original source code. The source code is in every voting machine in the world. The source code is only able to be accessed out of Venezuela. Trump knows that. The Trump administration knows that. One of the reasons that they captured Maduro was to sort of extract from him what they, what he knows because he was sitting on top of the, of this monstrous creation. I, when I say this, I know it sounds so preposterous, but the research on this is deep.

It is irrefutable, irrefutable. Elizabeth, I'm going to just say this. It doesn't sound preposterous to me. Oh, good. Because, I mean, I'm sitting here in Alberta, sit right on the Alberta, Saskatchewan border. I lived through COVID. That was something. And after that, I've gone down too many different rabbit holes,

pulled on too many different things, watch the world do what the world's doing. And you go, it doesn't make sense. And we need to find things that make sense so you can build out the picture of like, okay. So you go, well, no, the, you know, way too many people I've interviewed are like, well, 2020 was stolen.

You're like, okay, well, if they can do that to the most powerful nation, why can't they do that to, I don't know, it's next door neighbor? Yeah. Right? Of course I can't. So it doesn't seem preposterous to me. I wouldn't even begin to think that word. I think, I actually think something different. It's like when you start talking like that, right?

Like they stole the election. I go, most people, their brains turn off and they're like, okay, here we go. And I go, I don't know how to, not this audience. not the lovely people that are listening to this, but more on a general sense is like, how do we get to a point where we instill that we have a choice in the matter and that things can actually change? Because like, I haven't even got into the MK Ultra stuff with you yet.

And I'm like, the history here in Canada, you know, I used to say, I remember saying this lots as a kid, and certainly as a young student that, man, Canadian history is boring. I'm not really, and then the more I get into this podcast realm, and, you know, I'm over a thousand episodes now, I'm like, that is not true whatsoever. We've actually played quite a significant role in world events, just unbeknownst to the population. Yeah, yeah, that's for sure. I mean, I think a lot of it, I think a lot of the voter theft was worked on in Canada by the Dominion people.

I think that they worked with Hugo Chavez and Castro, and they figured out how to shift elections in favor of the left. They were funded by China. People are now saying that Spain was stolen. I think people are on the streets. Hundreds of thousands of people are on the streets every week in Madrid because they hate that government so much. That is a result of those elections being. stolen. You cannot tell me for a second that the British election wasn't stolen with Starmor. He's a he's a monster and I can I understand how they bundle immigrant votes. It's so easy to do that.

I've I've had friends who run for office and I've campaigned for them or with them and and they would go around immigrant communities. They spent special focus on immigrant communities. Well, it's so easy to bundle hundreds of thousands of immigrant votes and just shove them towards the left. I mean, a baby could do it. And then on top of it, you've got the digital theft. So election nights are all being shifted around in real time,

and you can actually catch the digital stuff. signatures of that and those have been tracked so we know an enormous amount about it and um the only person who is likely to do make a major shift is within the trump administration and i understand that this is about to be what they know or some of what they know is about to be revealed and everybody's kind of on tender hooks hoping that that will come out in canada i know almost no one working on this. Carrie Lynn Finley, who's now the head of the Conservative Party, and she was a minister under Minister of Tax under Harper,

she was running research on the stolen elections in Canada. And I don't know how far she got with it. I'm friends with her husband, but they've been really busy, so I haven't focused on it. We know pretty definitively that, that the NDB stole the BC election, but we can't get any traction. The people that have been working on it

have spent hundreds of hours on it and have approached every MLA and it just, we need a tipping point in election theft. That's what we need. We need the first domino to fall, the first conclusive proof. And my suspicion is that it will be, 2020 because Trump is powerful enough to to break that open.

And what I understand is that they're very close to revealing what they know. Yeah, and the word I wrote down, what we need here in Canada is political will. Yes. Right? You need somebody with a backbone to just, you know, you look at Donald Trump. You can love or hate the guy. He's not too worried about shaking the old hornet's nest at this point. Like he, he just walks in and kicks the whole thing over.

Here in Canada, it's way different. We, you know, I got a ton of time for Daniel Smith. Yeah. But I mean, she is one of very few politicians that stand up to all the crazy agendas. And even then, I think she falls short in some. And so you go, like, we don't have anything that even resembles what the Americans have right now. I know. I think it's got something to do with the CBC.

which I think they're all terrified of that organization, which is ridiculous because only 4% of Canada listens to the CBC. I mean, I, you know, my daughter is, runs the CBC Bureau in Calgary. And so I watch her stats quite carefully. And I get 20 times more readers on a Saturday when I publish than she gets. than she gets for her nightly news show, her nightly TV news show. The number of people that watch the nightly news from the CBC in Calgary is only 4,000 people. So I think that there's this misalignment of understanding where the power is.

I think politicians play to the Globe and Mail and to the broadsheets and the CBC and Glove, but very, very few people watch them. And many, many more people listen to people like us or read what I write or people like me write than them. I think it's a, I've been saying this for years, it's a 10 to 1 ratio. I mean, I used to write for the Globe of Mail. And when I sold my house, they were advertising

in the Globe of Mail in Alberta. I said only 5,000 people in Alberta read the Globe and Mail. Only 5,000 advertise in the National Post. So we don't understand how powerful we are in independent media. And equally, politicians don't understand how powerful we are. They should be playing to us. And they still play to something that doesn't exist anymore. It doesn't exist.

It doesn't have power. that only a thousand people read an editorial, an op-ed in the Vancouver Sun. Only a thousand people. That's advertising stats. 80,000 people read Welcome to Absurdistan every Saturday. I get 80 times more readers than a piece in the Vancouver Sun. So that's what's going on in media. It's shifting so radically in our direction.

But the politicians and bureaucrats and people who make decisions are still playing to an old model that doesn't really exist anymore. That's what I think. Yeah. And I would, A, those are crazy stats. Two, it's, or B, you think. Oh, we're having fun today, Elizabeth. The other thing you think is some of the most vocal. voices get propped up in the CBC all the different things, right?

Yeah. They're applauded as being so progressive in Canada when most Canadians are, what the heck are we doing? Let's get back to common sense. Oh, you can't say that word. Yeah. That's racist. Come on. Like, let's pull this thing back. Like, let's stop doing what we're doing. And yet we just keep plowing down this road of, you know, things. are going to get better. Things aren't going to get better. Let's stop. We can just stop the wheels and put this back on the road.

That would make sense. Yeah. I don't know at what point this shift is going to come. I mean, clearly, they have all the money. I mean, my daughter has 400 employees and, you know, probably a eight-figure budget. And I have no budget and no employees. And I get 80 times more readers than she gets watchers. for the nightly news in Calgary.

So, I mean, you know, come on. It's got a shift, sort of the authority that they have is standing on nothing. It's standing on limestone that's crumbling beneath them. Yeah, well, I mean, it's government money, right? I mean, I mean, think how many billions of dollars have been funneled that way, which is our money. Yeah. And then you sit here, you go, you know, like, I got no, it's funny. You're like, I got no staff.

It's like, Sean's got no staff. I'm sitting here, you know, I interview the premiere and people will figure out the recording and when this releases. But I go to interview the premier of Alberta, right? Yeah. And they go, oh, who are you bringing? I'm like, myself. I'm going to do it by myself.

And I'm like, I'm like the one-man band. You show up. I play the guitar. I record it. Then I get on the drum set. play that and then I sing the song after I got everything recorded. That's what I do on this end. I don't have this million dollar budget, billion dollar budget. I know. I know. And so you go, when does this shift happen? When the government stops funding it? Yeah. That'd be a good start.

Basically. Basically. I think another positive manifestation coming from the states is the investigation of theft because I suspect that if their theft is bad, ours is worse because our bureaucracy is bigger per capita. And a lot of the money that gets sucked into the, I mean, I just paid my taxes, so I'm a little bruised. So, you know, I'm feeling a little sort of anxious about that. And so I want to know what J.D. Vance is going to discover about theft because they reckon it's a trillion dollars a year that is just being outright stolen out of the American budget. And I would suspect it's at least equivalent here, if not more, in percentage terms. And how it's being stolen, a lot of it is through the migrant thing.

A lot of it is through the migrant thing. But a lot is through the environmental business. I mean, if you look at housing, for instance, which I'm writing about this week, because of green regulation, all of which has been insinuated into the regulation. books to build a single family house now. It adds 60% to the cost of that house, and it adds about five years to the time it takes to build that house. So they're trying, because they've added all these extremely stupid and unnecessary regulations to it, housing costs have just shot right up. And that has happened on every metric. So who's making all this money?

who's making that extra 60% of unnecessary requirements? Well, it's consultants, it's engineers, it's this industry, it's that industry, and then, of course, on top of it, there's the NGO theft, right? So one of the reasons that we have this massive regulatory structure adding 60% to the cost of every single family house it's built is the NGOs, which are given tens, if not hundreds of millions of dollars a year to bully people into this regulatory structure. So that's, you know, that's, to me, that's outright theft. Outright theft. Yes, you don't paint a good picture. Not that I needed a good picture painted. It's,

it's, it's, I look at you and I'm like, man, you have spent a lot of time in your career digging into a whole bunch of stuff. And, you know, I look forward to, running into you when you're like, nope, here's the answer. There it is. Just, just, boop. Because elect good people for God's sake. Get involved.

Yeah, but it's tough. It's, yes, I agree. But then you go, if they stole four elections, one of the problems is, the people in these institutions are putting their thumb on the scale. So there's lots of people

that were trying to get involved in different parties and then we don't like what you said here boom they're gone and so then people get cynical about the whole thing what's the point they're just going to find a way to disqualify you remove you from the race we don't want those viewpoints and very uh and so like you know takes a lot of time and effort plus money to get into those positions or at least to have a chance to say your thoughts and beyond the stage to have them remove you doing. All right. I do agree with you. But basically how Trump got reelected is that initially, the women started turning up at school board meetings. And that took off like crazy. I mean,

it was so powerful that they tried to put them in jail. They were so powerful. Have you heard of this, of the remigration movement and the Dominions Society and all of these young men under 40 who are just standing up and you can say, call me racist, I want my country back. There's an entire movement of young men, and to me, that's what we need, is we need young men who are rational.

Our politics has become way too feminized. Everybody's offended about speech and the way you behave, and they're all just saying, They're all saying to hell with that. We are not doing that anymore. Call me racist. I welcome it because I want my country back. I want my culture back.

I want common sense. I want things to work properly. And enough is enough is enough. So that is a, I just really noticed it in the last month. And I've been writing about it. And there's even a hashtag to it. Now it's called hashtag white boy, summer and all across Europe and the UK and Ireland and Canada there are a lot of them in Canada now

and they're just standing up and saying all right this stops you're destroying my future you have destroyed my opportunity and I am taking my country back so I think that is what we need we need young men being heroic because I hate the feminization of our public space, I load the participation of Cairns all the way through the bureau. Did you know in the states, even with Trump's election, from 2020, there are all the new jobs that have been created, none of them have gone to white men? Not one. This is statistically proven. 90% went to migrants, and the rest went to people of color. So that's how how unbalanced it is now.

So you've got, I mean, I have a grandson who's in his third year of engineering. He's working for that big resource company in Calgary this year. Those kids are the future, and they see what's been done. All they say to me is, we need growth. We need growth. Well, growth is being stopped by this vicious cadre of bureaucratic. and activists and left-wingers, and add to that, bankers like Carney, who have invested billions in carbon capture and alternative energy.

And to my mind, what he's doing, he's strip mining Canadian assets to pay off his investors in Brookfield. That's what he's doing now in Canada. That's why he took the job. and that's what he's doing. That's why he's been to Europe nine times. He's trying to make his investors whole because the climate thing has collapsed.

Nobody believes in it anymore. Nobody wants to invest in alternative energy. It fails every time we try it. There's no sense in pumping carbon into the ground. I mean, that's a stupid damn thing. Anybody, I mean, it's just irrational. That's what I mean by feminization. It's irrational.

that does not make sense that does not make sense to marginalize the people with the most energy and intelligence it's just madness so I have a lot I think it's going to be the next 10 years are going to be fantastic

I do well I like that thought look at Elizabeth throwing a little the next decade you know what buckle up folks it's going to be a lot of fun it's going to be great it's going to be great I swear. I promise you. Come back in 10 years and, you know, I'll pay you $10,000 if I'm not right.

Well, I'll take that. Hello. I don't even... Elizabeth, I, um, one of the reasons, um, you were suggested years ago, I'm sure it was years ago. And then once again, by a listener brought you up is I, you know, it was some of the darker things in society. And obviously your story of your mom. I would love it if you'd share the story and just, I don't know, I'm like, MK Ultra, Canada, all the dark history like that's still there, you know, because once again, you know, like, I lived through COVID and you go like,

we're only a few years removed from that. And most people want to just move on and, you know, it was a bad time, but nothing really. And you're like, that was a bad time. Like, do we remember what they did and how they acted and what they did? And, you know, like, forgive me, folks, I don't need to ask for forgiveness, but like Jason Kenny running around saying that, you know, it was just a bunch of, you know, disgruntled people, blah, blah, blah, man alive. You want to piss people off.

Keep talking, man, because that's what's going to happen there. Regardless, get myself worked up here. Jason Kenny is a terrible disappointment. He's a terrible disappointment. disappointment. I don't think he should be allowed anywhere near public office for the rest of his life after that, after that. Very bad. I would agree. I think we're quickly becoming best friends. That's what I think on this side, folks, regardless. Okay. M.K. Ultra. Yes. Okay. So there's a, what happened was family, the Rockefellers in around the 19,

40s and 50s, decided to fund an entire range of experiments based on what they discovered in the Nazi camps, what the Nazi doctors were experimenting on with regard to physiology and also mind control. And one of the reasons it's called MK Ultra is that control in German is spelled with a K. and they pulled a lot of what they, and you and Cameron, my mother's psychiatrist, who was a Scott, who ended up in Canada, American Canada, went over there with Alan Dulles during the Nuremberg trials and went through the hospitals and said, uh-huh, so this is what they were doing. So through the McConnell family in Montreal, they moved Cameron into the Ellen Memorial, which was built in, was retrofitted in a magnificent castle on top of the hill in Montreal called Ravens Craig. And he started working on mind control experiments. And he used people who were mildly mentally ill. So in my mother's case, her first child died and she had a bit of a collapse.

I have her psychiatric records. They diagnosed her with anxiety. So nothing serious, just anxiety. They took her in. They put her to sleep for two weeks. And we don't know a lot about what happened during that period. After her third child, she had another postpartum. thing and then she went into the hospital for four weeks and we at that point it was the height of the

experiments I've talked to a lot of the other people I've talked to children of their mothers were society so burks Molesons let's see I can't remember the other oh Massey's like the governor general um they all went there. It was kind of a society hospital, people who were alcoholic, women who were exhausted from getting their doctorate. Those were the kind of patients that Cameron used. So what he would do is he used a form of shock treatment called Paige Russell's, which were very many shocks in a very short period of time. So instead of one major shock, it would be one. two, three, four, five, six. And what he would do is reduce the individual to childlike status

so that they didn't know their name, they didn't know who they were, they didn't know where they were, they didn't know anything. And then he would clap a football helmet on their heads, and in the football helmet would be a tape recorder, and it would play them messages in repetition. Your mother hates you, your father hates you. They would break the them down further and then they would try, they would do another set of shocks, and then they put the football helmet on, and it would be a repetition of hundreds of thousands of repetitions of positive messages. And then they would, after that, they would be drugged with sodium pentothal and methamphetamine and interviewed as to whether this reprogramming had taken

place. And so what happened to the results of this was were not good. Very few people came out of it whole. My mother, she had been an athlete before she'd gone in. She was a competitive, amateur, golfer, and she was also a pianist and a classical pianist. And she built herself, rebuilt herself over about a period of about five years of extreme levels of exercise, and she would play the piano, classical, maybe three or four hours a day. And she rebuilt herself so that she was very functional. If there was too much stress, she would have a reality break, but it was always handled within the family.

We kind of push her back into reality. But what happened to most people was that they just sat in a dark room for the rest of their lives and watched television or the shadows on the wall. So he broke people. But the results of his experiments went back into the CIA, and they were repeated many times in many different hospitals all over the states and all through Europe. and we believe in Africa the worst experiments took place. There were experiments in Vermont that led to the whole Kinsey thing. You know, the whole re-visioning of sexuality was kind of the experiments in Vermont on very young children. It was so horrifying. I'm not even going to repeat it here.

So that's what happened. But the thing with Sub-Project 68, which happened in Montreal, is that patients in the 80s started working on taking it to court. And they took the CIA to court in Washington with a civil rights lawyer, and they won some money. And then they went back and they sued the Canada Research Council, and they again won money. So we know more about what happened in that sub-project than any other,

because patients have stood up and sued repeatedly. There are two cases in front of the Quebec courts right now that are class actions from children of. So the great thing about the Montreal experiments is that they're the only ones that have been litigated in detail. so we know what happened. It's not a conspiracy. It's not a question of conspiracy.

But it's funny when you bring up, I would say MK. Ultra as a whole is probably wildly accepted now, I think. Yeah, I think it is too. I think it is too, yeah. Yeah. And it was certainly used under COVID. It was certainly used under COVID to terrify everybody. What do you mean by that? Well, I think that, you know, the whole trauma programming, that's what M.K. Ultra does. It's a, it's a, it inflicts trauma on the person. And then while they're still, like, shocked and terrified, you program them. You tell them what to think. And it comes from every organ in the culture. So every single newspaper, every authority, every semi-authority, every influencer, every television station, it just, you know,

You know, that was the programming under COVID, and the trauma was the supposed life-threatening. I mean, it wasn't life-threatening. But we thought it was, right? And they did the same thing with the hoof and mouth disease in England, which was ramped up to be something horrible, and it didn't turn out to be the same thing. I suspect these were small experiments leading up to COVID, and I suspect that they think that the COVID thing failed because 30% refused the vaccine, and there was this enormous blowback from people like us

that I think is now everybody is pretty much suspicious of what happened, if not outright disbelieving. that that's my sense of it well you go back to world war two and you go they come out of there exploring what the Nazis did to people yeah and instead of going we should never do this again they went well this is interesting we should try this out and none of this is is is new to me i should say, you know, like read Annie Jacobson's project paper clip. Yeah. And so then they brought it back to the States.

Then the people weren't happy with that. And I might be oversimplifying this. And please Elizabeth step in and correct me. But they bring it back to the States, a whole bunch of scientists and elsewhere. Americans don't like it. They oust them. So what do they do? They put them into the five eyes because that's outside the United States and not really

within the jurisdiction of where the U.S. can, you know, the people can be like, we can't do this anymore. It's shocking to me because I'd heard parts of this Cameron, doctor, but you know, like if I sit and think on it, I go, well, you don't learn about this in a Canadian university, do you? I mean, maybe one or two, but like overall, I don't think that's common knowledge. No. You know, as much as MK. Ultra is becoming wildly accepted, you don't hear Project 68 as being, hey, Canadians, pay attention. Your own government allowed this to go on. You know, like a university was a part of this, and they tortured Canadians.

Yeah. No, I don't, I don't think it's certainly not taught in school. Certainly not taught in school. I mean, I don't even think it's taught if you're studying psychology. at university. I don't think it's taught there either because my granddaughter is and never heard of it. So yeah, I think, you know, the principle that a government must not experiment on its own citizens is pretty fundamental.

But they don't want, I don't think that they want this case to be common knowledge because they want to continue to experiment on us. Well, and you think where I was going to go with your thought on COVID and that we all lived through basically an MK Ultra experiment, or at least the procedures that are a part of MK. Ultra. Yeah. I'm like, so in that thought process, essentially you're going, they relatively perfected MK.K. Ultra.

Then they tried imposing it. And I mean, like, certainly lived through it. So I understand. I just never, I don't know, maybe I'm trying to get my thought of, folks it's like they put mk ultra procedures on all of us and some of us survived that and some of us did not and when i go back to so here's here's an interesting me and elizabeth don't know each other so elizabeth when i started the podcast 2019 i was interviewing sports figures right so like you know the high the highs of that are like don cherry and ron mclean and glen saither and

you know i'm and then covid happens along that path And I started interviewing, you know, I don't know, Julie Panessi and Dr. Peter McCullough and Pierre Corey and Robert Malone and I'm sure I could rattle off a bunch of other names just to kind of give you an idea of like just not, you know, and then I talk to just everyday people too. And yet I'd come out of here doing exactly what we're doing. and I go home and I walk around the community and it was just on such full out attack that you were insane. And I've said this story a bunch, I guess, in the last couple episodes, it feels like, where I'm like, no matter how many times I came and talked to people like this, I go back out in the world and I'd be like, maybe I should just get it. Like, it just seems like we're doomed, like that sense of hopelessness, like despair.

Like, there's just nowhere to go with. There's no safe place to go. Everywhere is like, do you got your shot? Oh, you don't have a shot. I remember going to an oiler game, right? Just going to an oiler game. Had to wear masks. I didn't want to wear a mask.

They had security people in the stands, standing at the glass. If it dropped below your nose, they came up, literally in your face, put it back up. And everyone was like, put it back up. You got to put it back up. I'm like, this is freaking insane. We're living in insane asylum. So when you go, they perfect MK Ultra, then they pushed it on the intent. entire of society.

Yeah. Yeah, that's what they did. For sure. For sure. Totally convinced of it. Totally convinced of it. Is that just... Sorry.

It backfired. I mean, too many people like you said, no. No. And it woke so many people up who said, this is crazy. There's something wrong with the government, not me. there's something wrong.

So I think it was, it backfired. I mean, that's the thing about MK. Ultra was that they discovered that it didn't work. It didn't work to solve mental illness. It didn't work in a clinical form as a cure for schizophrenia or bipolar or anything. It didn't work. So if it didn't work for that, what did it work for? Well, I mean, I do think that a lot of our media is programming and has been for 50 years. I mean, the theory is that the whole modern age of M.K. Ultra started with the assassination of John F. Kennedy.

And that was the sort of ritual, the killing of the king, that ushered in the, shadow government that tries to control us and the COVID experiment to get everybody vaccinated to do to try and see if they could do a cull of 15% of humanity which is what they estimate that it took 10 years off the average vaccinated person's life it's killed what 300,000 Americans. Americans, that vaccine, that was a shadow government operation, which backfired. I think it backfired. It created this vast independent media, which has 10 times more viewers and readers than legacy media. Ten times, Sean. So we just have to realize how powerful we are

and then just go do something about it. Yeah, yeah, exactly. We've got them on the run. And it's just a matter of showing up at this point. You know, as I said, when I went to the legislature, there was nobody else here. In my local meetings, the thing that turned this, I mean, everybody here is aging and dying.

The reason that's happening is that nobody showed up at the town meetings and said, stop this. It's stupid. Nobody turned up. Only the fanatics turned up. Only these crazy. There's this woman here. She's from Los Angeles. She walks around and all her arms are bandaged. She's Jewish. She has no, there's no kind of culture here that she could relate to. And all she does is agitate against any economic activity whatsoever because it's going to and she's relentless she works a 20 hour day and nobody stands up to her well i do but i get death threats it's not crazy to me i guess what's interesting about your story you know is so you have

a mom who went through something very horrific yeah and then you go on to work for Times Magazine. You're over in Europe for Life magazine. Did I get that right? Yeah. You're interviewing people. You know, like I think of my list of some of the cool people or surreal people I've got to sit and chat with.

And like, you know, like I feel like Margaret Thatcher's of, you know, this iconic politician that we all wish was still around, you know? Yeah. You got to sit with Nelson Mandela and you're like, really? Yeah. You know? And you go around to all these people. Then you come home and like as time has marched on, Elizabeth, that industry you're a part of becomes more of a shell of itself every single day, if not every single hour.

Yeah. It's propped up as like this huge thing that knows what is right and wrong. And every day it gives us the inverse. Yeah. Yeah. And more and more people are waking up. Yeah. I mean, the principles of journalism are being practiced in independent journalism. They're just not practiced in legacy media.

I mean, I wrote for the Globe and Mail. One of the top editors was a friend of mine for five years, and I am so offended by that newspaper, and it's lies about everything. It hasn't told the truth about the economy, about the climate racket, about anything. about the fact that they sold that indigenous graves hoax full through... The 215? Without investigating that, that to me, it should shut the operation down. It should be shuttered for that lie.

So, yeah. You with your journalist hat on, when you look at Alberta Independence Movement, I'm curious what your thoughts are. I really hope you do. I hope you vote yes. to leave. I hope you vote leave. That's what I mean, I want to write about it and I want to study it more but right now I really like Daniel Smith. I actually had lunch with her and she was hanging around the Fraser Institute when I first came here and they kind of picked me up a bit as well. But she was,

you know, her thinking is so clear and brilliant. And frankly, you know, I spent five hours. with Margaret Thatcher. And Danielle reminded me when I had lunch with her. She very much reminded me of Maggie. She's just as forthright and just as fast. And I was asking her for help with eco-fascist. And she just opened her book. And she went, this person, this person, this person, this person, this person, this person.

You call them. You know, she was magnificent. So I have great. She probably doesn't have a lot of so-called legacy support in the media. And I think that's probably her worst kind of enemy at the moment is the disgusting Canadian media. But I think she's fantastic. I really do. And yet she's for staying in Canada. Yeah, but I don't know. Is that a cover or what? I mean, if I were her, I mean, bravery is not rewarded in Canadian politics.

I mean, and she's our bravest, right? She's our bravest right now. Carrie Lynn Finley out here, who just won the conservative leadership, has a handful of really smart 40-year-olds behind her. I mean, they're coming up. They're the clear thinkers. I have a lot of hope for British Columbia, given that. We just need a tipping point.

away from environmental shutdown and climate bullshit towards development and growth and prosperity and, you know, what the hell is wrong with us? Why don't we want that? When I think of the comparison between British Columbia and Texas, I think British Columbia should be two or three times the size of Texas in terms of its economy because we have so many more resources. We just don't develop them because the environmental movement has shut it down.

And these people, you know, I've met them. They're the weedyest, meanest, spirited people they ever want to run into. They're nasty, all of them, every single last one. So why we don't stand up to them is beyond me. Their science is crap. Climate science is absolute bullshit. There's no there. there. Um, so we just have to just have to say no. Go away. Well, I know in my own journey,

there was a time where the name calling was really effective. Yeah. You're all these things and you didn't want to, I'm not all those things and you tried like, and now you're just like, I don't really care what you call me. I really don't care anymore. It's, if you're not being called something, chances are you're standing for absolutely nothing. Yeah. Like at the end of the day, you know, you could pick one of like, you know, we've hit on a couple topics today, but like there are too many topics in Canada right now that are so ass backwards. Yeah. You're like, what are we doing? And yet we've been brought up in society to be polite to not, oh, well, you know, if you're caught, well, no, I'm, you know, I'm for, you know, all the progressive things. right isn't that isn't that canadian society right now you're seeing it change yeah because like when we can't describe what a woman is or the thing that is really really really bugging me Elizabeth is when a

politician will tell you what a woman is in the back room but then go but I can't really say that out front because you know I don't want to offend people or or you know like some people think differently than us and I'm like think differently in you like we're talking about biology We're talking about something so simple. It's not even funny anymore. When we get to Maid and we can't be like, okay, wait a second, we're just going to allow anyone with a mental illness to just check out a life. That's what we're going to do. They called that something back in the day.

It was called eugenics. And we demonized that entire place. And now we put it under a nice label of Maid and we're going to act like it's okay. No, we're not. This is ridiculous time. Yeah. And I hope more and more Canadians, I'm seeing more and more Canadians stand up. It's just, you know, you go back to where you originally started this conversation.

I think four elections have been stolen Canada. Who? Okay. Well, we're not, we're not playing X's and O's here, are we? We're playing a big game. Yeah. I think, you know, I think the left in Canada was kicked off post-World War II. and a lot of people from Europe came over a lot of communists out of the Frankfurt School in Germany and the Fabians

and they came with the express desire to just take the country and change it. And the people who lived here who built the country were still in the process of defining who they were. They had built. this extraordinary place in the most inhospitable climate in the world. And they built this country where everybody was pretty much safe and well taken care of by their mostly families and churches and schools without the government. And they decided to destroy it and they were smart and they were verbal.

I mean the founding generations and my family were in the states, in the state, States in 1630 and we were in Canada by the 1700s, they weren't, they didn't have persuasive power in their tongue, you know, they weren't, they weren't articulate. They knew how to, you know, dig the first deep cut on the Willen Canal. They knew how to build a canal, locks on a canal. They knew how to dig a tunnel. They knew how to build a railroad. My great-grandfather, he dug the kicking horse pass, which is still the highest, longest kicking railroad pass in the world with a high school education and 3,000 workers. But they didn't have the gift of the gab. They didn't have the ability to describe what they were doing, the goodness in what they were doing of building this amazing

place for people. And what came in were people with a lot of verbal skill and, you know, this seductive idea of socialism. And we got played. We got played. We did. We did. You know. So my father used to run, had textile mills. He had one in Quebec. And the textile unions were taken over by French Marxists and they fought him until he closed the factory down, moved it to Ontario and put 600 people out of work. And they, you know, that was good, that was good work. But it was gone. So that's 600 families in a small town in Quebec, just lost everything. Then he started two factories in Ontario, each had 1,200 workers. Same thing happened.

Unions came along. I mean, they would toss flaming bags of shit onto our lawn in the middle of the night. That's how vicious they were. And so those factories in Ontario were shuttered because they couldn't make money. and the industry went to North Carolina and then it went to India and then it went to China. So they were just chased out. So all of those towns where my father and all of his friends had factories, they were all ruined methodically over a period of two decades.

So if you're speaking to the audience, if you don't want to be chased out of your province, you got to stand up. You got to stand up. And, you know, everybody kind of was flattened by the violence of these unions, right? It was frightening. And for Canada in the 60s and 70s to be sort of violently assaulted by random union members and your children weren't safe and you're going to burn down your house. in the middle of the night.

You don't agree with us. And if you do agree with us, you'll be out of business in a year because we'll make it unaffordable. Well, that's happened all the way across Canada by the left in every sector, every sector. Elizabeth, we should have done this two years ago. I'm glad we got to do it today.

It was a great pleasure. Well, I appreciate you coming on. I hope it's not the last time. And if people want to find your work, where can they find you? Okay, well, just Elizabeth Nixon's substack. That's the best way. And it's N-I-C-K-S-O-N.

And my sub-stack is called absurdistan, right? Which is what we've been talking about, right? It's absurd. It's absurd what's going on. Thanks again, Elizabeth, for hopping on. Okay, my pleasure.