Shaun Newman Podcast - #1083 - Jeff Evel

Episode Date: June 29, 2026

Jeff Evely is a retired 20-year Canadian Armed Forces veteran from Coxheath, Nova Scotia. He enlisted in 2001 as an electronic communications specialist, deploying to Afghanistan and Iraq, serving with NORAD, and participating in the Nijmegen marches. A vocal advocate for individual freedoms and against government overreach, he ran as a People's Party of Canada candidate in the 2025 federal election for Sydney—Glace Bay. He gained wider attention for violating Nova Scotia’s 2025 province-wide woods access ban, receiving a $28,872.50 fine that he challenged in court with the Justice Centre for Constitutional Freedoms; the ban was later struck down as unconstitutional. Cornerstone Forum 26’https://shaunnewmanpodcast.substack.com/Silver Gold Bull Links:Website: https://silvergoldbull.ca/Email: [e-mail] Grahame: [phone]Bow Valley Credit UnionBitcoin: www.bowvalleycu.com/en/personal/investing-wealth/bitcoin-gatewayEmail: [e-mail] Get your voice heard: Text Shaun 587-217-8500

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Let's get on to that tale of the tape. Today's guest spent 20 years in the Canadian Armed Forces. I'm talking about Jeff Evely, so buckle up. Here we go. Welcome to the Sean Numa podcast. Today I'm joined by Jeff Evely. Sir, thanks for hopping on. And I'm smacking things.

I'm all excited today. My pleasure, Sean. Thanks for having me. Well, you've got exciting news to talk about here today. You might as well walk us through it. I know I think the audience knows. We've had you on to talk about it about, you know, the fine for taking a walk in the forest. but the newest update is exciting.

So you might as well tell the audience all about it. Well, the newest update is just kind of the finalization of this process. So we were in court in March for the charter challenges that we had filed. So we had one charter challenge in my private interest that was filed by the JCCF. And then one in the public interest that was filed by the Canadian Constitution Foundation. And we won on that one. The judge did rule in our favor and said that the proclamation that banned us all from the woods last summer was of no force or effect because it was unconstitutional. So what happened yesterday was that I was actually scheduled to appear in court to be tried in the matter of the fine, I guess.

So I was issued the summons for the fine, and that fine was still hanging over my head, even though we won the Charter Challenge. But basically what happened yesterday is the Crown showed up and said, there's no legal basis to actually collect this fine because the judge has ordered the proclamation to be set aside. And it's of no force or effects due to it being unconstitutional. So that's what happened is that was the last name. in the coffin of the Nova Scotia Woods ban. So, you know, we, I mean, we knew this was going to happen.

There's no way that they could come after me for the fine once it was ruled unconstitutional. But it is really nice to get the official word. And we're onward and upward from here, I guess. Yeah, well, I think, you know, here in Canada, every once in a while, we could just use a little positivity, couldn't we? And I think that's a positive development in a world gone mad. It is nice to finally get a win for freedom in Canada.

That's for sure. I can tell you that. The wins have been pretty few and far between. You know, we did get that big charter win with the Mosley decision. That was Eddie Cornell, by the way. I'll give him a shout out. He's one of my fellow veterans for freedom. And Tony Johnson actually is another veteran for freedom

who is going after this. school boards in Alberta, I want to say Alberta to keep the, is it Manitoba? It could be Manitoba. To get the boys out of girls' washroom. So that's three cases now. Three pretty big ones, important ones. I think that we've had members of Venture for Freedom, working with the Justice Center for Constitutional freedoms to restore Canada. So yeah, but the winds have been too few and far between. It feels really good to get one. Yeah. Yeah, well, and I know sitting on this side, my hat's off to you, if I had a hat, sitting here, because it takes men like yourself to take that walk,

take the fine, and go through all the, you know, legal processes in order to make sure the wins occur, because if nobody does it, nothing happens and only gets worse. We will endure as much as we tolerate. So I hope that, you know, more people, will wake up to the situation that we're in here in Canada now, having gotten that win, because I know initially, like, I got a lot of hatred and so on and so forth, and I still get some.

But, like, like for this one, I don't think it was as bad as it has been on other issues. Like, there was quite a bit of support, but there was also kind of the initial hatred. And the haters, like, they seemed to fade away fairly quickly. And I had people coming up to me in public and shaking my hand. saying thanks for what you did. I really appreciate you're taking the step for all of us. And I recently met a podcaster from Halifax, who was a conservative guy and said that when he initially reported on it, he said it was just a stunt and I was just trying to get attention and all of this stuff. But then when the decision came down, then he understood. He was like,

oh, now I see why he did that that way. And just for anybody who's not aware, like they did bring in a woods ban in 2023 as well, which was our worst wildfire season in Nova Scotia's history. And I tried to take them to court at that time, but the judge said that because I was not personally harmed, that

I didn't have standing. And he even went so far as to say that had I gotten fined, then I would have had standing. So when it came out this time, I knew that I had to go take the fine in order to get the standing in court. They couldn't argue mootness. They couldn't argue standing.

none of that junk that they're always trying to pull. So all of that was set aside because I had a $28,872.50 fine hanging over my head. So that was how we got it into court. And just having heard, like even some of the people on the conservative side who initially thought that it was just a stunt are now realizing that, oh, no, like this was actually a really important legal matter. and it's had an important precedent. So more people, I think, woke up, you know, every time it was in the news. And hopefully next time he tries to pull some of this crap,

then more people will stand up. Because like I said, we will endure as much as we tolerate. So, you know, we'll see what happens next. Yeah, I know through our conversations and talking to you, one of the things that I didn't know until I'd talk to you was the fact of the 2023 one. I'm like, what? why did I never hear anything about that?

And then you walk through exactly what you just said. And I'm like, oh, there's been a ton of thought put into this, right? Like this is coming back around. And the only way we're going to get it thrown out is by taking the walk in the woods and making sure I get fined and everything else. I was like, oh, wow, right? Like that from the headlines or from a minute clip, you can't capture that. But in our chats and talking to you, Jeff, I was like, interesting. There's a ton under the hood in what Jeff is doing.

and, you know, I'm glad that you've been on the show multiple times and we've got to hear that firsthand. And now we're just seeing the full story get to play out finally, which once again ends in a positive note for Canadians, right? And certainly for yourself as well. Yeah, 100%. I mean, Evely v. Nova Scotia is the precedent that you can cite to say that yes. How wild is that? I think, you know, it's pretty great. I'm pretty happy about it. It's, you know, a little piece of history.

And that's that's kind of a whole game in life, I guess, is to grab a little piece of it while we're here. So, yeah, for me, good job, me. Good job. I feel, give myself a little bit on the back for that. But that is the precedent that you can cite to say, yes, we do, in fact, have a right to move freely. in a free country, such as Canada,

because the government of Nova Scotia, their lawyers in their own written submissions, actually argued that freedom of movement does not mean that we have the right to go wherever we please. And it was pretty entertaining to hear, you know, the JCCF and the Canadian Constitution Foundation lawyers start citing the Magna Carta in a courtroom in 2021. They're like, actually the right to Rome is ancient.

It goes all the way back to the Magna Carta, which is the cornerstone of our entire legal system, government in Nova Scotia, crying out loud. And so, you know, even the judge got a little bit facetious on that point. It was everybody, it got to be a little bit lighthearted pretty much on the first day. And I was like, okay, I think the things are going to go our way in this. I started to feel that way on the first day. just as soon as the opening arguments were made,

I was like, oh, man, this is a bloodbath. And just watching how the, you know, the way the judge was asking questions and things like that, I came away on the first day going, you know what, I think this is going to be a pretty resounding win. And that is what ended up coming through. I thought he was going to take more time than he did to render his decision. I think it came out in April.

So he only took about a month to render his decision. it was only 17 pages long. By contrast, the Mosley decision, the other big charter win that we got, that was 120 pages. So mine was 17. It was pretty open and shut. And I don't think it left any room for anything like an appeal. It was like I said, it was just a bloodbath. It was totally one-sided.

And a good win for the charter for Canada. Now, when we started. talking, it had nothing, not that this wouldn't have probably come up in conversation, but certainly we didn't know this was going to be, at the time we were going to record, right? It had nothing to do. You reached out to me after I had Matt Smith on and you're like, oh, you're having issues or starting to see something happening in your audience. And me and Matt Smith were talking specifically about the Cornerstone Forum and just watching this community start to drift apart. if you would, on certain themes.

And you'd reach out and said, oh, I know all about that. And I guess that's where I want to take the conversation today. And I wanted to expand on what you were trying to tell me back and forth while we were texting. So if I read it correctly, and maybe I did read between the lines a little bit too much, but it sounded like perhaps the division is on the situation in the Middle East, like the Israel-Iran war. and there's a lot of division on that. And it probably goes deeper than just like, say, the Israel-Iran war. There's probably a lot of narratives being espoused

about how Israel essentially controls the United States and probably the world more broadly. And, you know, sometimes, well, sometimes they say Zionists and other times they say Jews. I'm not sure. Maybe some people are genuinely anti-Zionists, but a lot of it, I think Zionism is kind of really just a stand-in for the word Jew. So there are a lot of these, well, conspiracy theories.

I don't think it's, I tried for a long time to be a little bit more charitable than that. But at the end of the day, we are kind of talking about conspiracy theories. And I think what I wanted to share with you in particular is that there are, like, there are reports out there now. The evidence has been mounting, especially since 2020. 23, we've got multiple intelligence agencies and think-tack reports, demonstrating that, you know, our foreign adversaries are actually driving these narratives online. Now, that's not to say that they cook them up themselves.

Some of them have been around for a while, like, say the protocols of the elders of Zion is one that was cooked up by the Russian secret police. I think somewhere around, like it was the early 20th century in, in P. Harris, France, anyway, the head of the Russian secret police came up with the protocols of the elders of Zion. And that's the kind of thing that's being driven out. There are people sending me stuff like this. I gave a presentation in Alberta, in Red Deer there a couple of years ago where I was talking mostly about Chinese interference and, you know, where they sit in the kind of geo-strategic threat assessment.

investment. And, you know, somebody came up to me after that. He was ex-law enforcement and he made me download a whole encrypted messaging app so he could send me the protocols of the elders of Zion and say, this is what's really going on. And I'm like, dude, this is this is adversarial propaganda. So we are steeped in it. Like if there's information warfare going on left, right and center, there's all kinds of, you know, propaganda narratives that don't necessarily originate with foreign regimes, but. our adversaries clearly have an interest in amplifying them online. The Network Contagent Research Institute put out one of their reports was called False Flags, Fake MAGA.

A lot of this revolves around, like, say, the false flag narrative about October 7th, where these false flag narratives are basically like Western nations never get attacked. It's really Western elites that fake these attacks and kill our own people so that they can go to war against these innocent barbarians to extract resources and control territory, expand their territory, this kind of thing. But really, our enemies always accuse us of what they themselves are guilty. And the Network Intagent Research Institute, like they published a report, that showed that it was Chinese, Russian, and Iranian bot farms that were driving those

narratives, amplifying them to a great extent. and that they had even stood up some of these fake accounts. Like, and it's hard to say what the real deal is with some of these accounts, but accounts like Megatron was one of the ones that they cited specifically as Kremlin affiliated. And there's an account called Draven Noctus, who is actually a retired Marine in the United States. And he lives in Texas, but he's well known for kind of amplifying all these pro-Kremlin narratives. And, you know, a lot of, it could be that, you know, he's getting money or something like that. We don't know, you know, all of the details. But what we do know is that there is a massive

network, like I'll say, how about the global left or the global totalitarian movement. There is a massive network. Some of them state actors, some of them non-state actors, that all have demonstrated a pretty clear interest in driving a lot of these anti-Israel narratives that they have close ties to the CCP, like say Code Pink, for example. Code Pink is a big one. They were formed around the time of the Iraq invasion, the lead up to the Iraq invasion around 2003. But they're core donors right now, the people who get, they get most of their money. from are like Neville Roy Singham and his his wife Jody Evans they they contribute something like a quarter of the funding to Code Pink and they're based

out of Shanghai like he's a Shanghai Tech Giant and he's they they are pro-CCP they're sympathetic to the Chinese Communist Party their agenda and you know so So they're central to this whole network of NGOs. Keep an eye on NGO watch, by the way, because a lot of NGOs are really just kind of front groups. We don't know, like, there's dark money all over the place. A lot of think tanks and NGOs and stuff like this, like they don't fully disclose.

They're donors and a lot of that, like there are good reasons for a lot of this stuff and why it started out that way. Sensitive work and so forth, like a lot of donors don't want to be known because of the sensitive work of certain things. tank tanks and NGOs. But that's also a vulnerability that our, um, our adversaries will use to, uh, to drive a lot of their propaganda. And the thing about the anti-Israel, uh, propaganda

in particular is that the objective here, um, is to drive a wedge. So there are natural kind of, um, there's, there's natural anti-Semitism in the West. We have a long history of that. And there are also like I think, you know, some legitimate concerns around, say, for example, America's relationship with, with Israel. I don't, I think a lot of it is probably mostly hype, but certainly you don't have to, you know, be an anti-Semite to raise concerns about foreign policy as it pertains to Israel. That's not the case. But there are these natural concerns about the relationship with Israel and also naturally arising anti-Semitism in the West. And the objective here is to drive a wedge. It's to

to divide populist movements, especially the MAGA movement, and to turn a portion of the base against Donald Trump. And that's exactly what we see happening, is like the MAGA movement is divided, basically between, you know, the right wing and the woke right for lack of a better term. I know it's an oxymoronic term. And I think they're a bunch of lefties. I don't think there's anything right wing about them.

But, you know, what's Candace Owens and Tucker Carlson? and, you know, the, the pundits who just came on, well, the pundits who have been kind of driving a lot of these narratives, what are they doing now? They're turning against Donald Trump. And they're using like the Epstein narrative, for example, to say that he's protecting pedophiles or that he is one or something like that. So, and that's a pretty divisive issue. And so when you start saying that things like, you know, these narratives are kind of BS and it's, There's not a whole lot of evidence to support them. Then people will turn on you and say, well, you're part of the conspiracy then.

You're taking money from the Zionists. I get accused of that all the time. Or, you know, maybe they're blackmailing you with some kind of pedophile honeypot. And, you know, you become the enemy. There's this whole friend enemy distinction that's, being made and it's on the basis of whether or not you believe these narratives. So that was kind of why I wanted to bring that to your attention is because I've seen it happened elsewhere.

It happened in the People's Party as well in a really big way. And I think that's probably all that's left there right now is kind of the anti-Israel crowd because if you're not, if you don't espouse these narratives like I do, like you will just get attacked until you finally resign like I did. And really, like I could have stood there and fought with those guys until the end of time. But it's just as a political party and me as a candidate for that party, I'm not a viable candidate for that party just in light of how pervasive the anti-Israel narratives really are within that crowd. So, I mean, PPC supporters would never vote for me and people who would never vote for the PPC would never vote for me. So I'm just not, I'm just not viable as a candidate with that party, I'm afraid.

But that is what happened is I don't think there's anybody left in that party who doesn't espouse these narratives, which have been documented to be driven by not just regimes, but by, you know, NGOs and, dark money types who are in bed with these regimes. Even like the Pakistanis, we're getting in on some of this action. They're another group that are kind of like frenemies. They probably had a hand in 9-11 more so than any other country on earth. And they had bot farms out there where people were posing as U.S. military veterans and saying, my son's not going off to die for Israel in the lead up to the bombing of Ford

So it has everything to do with undermining the Western war effort to weaken our resolve from within. That's what Osama bin Laden said about us, is that we're effeminate and we don't have the stomach for a long war. So that's what the purpose of the demoralization propaganda is. It's, you know, to convince our people that we are the bad guys, that we're not fighting a just war. And we should probably just leave all those Mujahideen alone. and they'll never attack us. You know, it's all our fault and we're the bad guys. To erode the support from the war within

because they know that that's a weakness for democracies is that if the wars lose popular support, then essentially the war effort will just fall apart. So that is their game plan. And they are winning the information war. They're not winning the kinetic war, that's for sure. But they are winning, I think, the information war. because people seem to think that America's going to lose to Iran,

and people seem to think that, you know, it's something to do with, like, Western imperialism. They just killed 40,000 of their own people in the streets, protesters. And I've heard people saying, like, this is going to collapse the global economy, and this is, they're going to face nonstop guerrilla warfare. And there's really no rational basis for any of these beliefs, but taken together in the aggregate, they amount to the erosion of support for what should be, I think,

if there's ever been, you know, a justified war, then it probably is at a time when you've got, you know, the IRGC who have been waging war on the United States and the West more broadly for like 47 years and have apocalyptic genocidal ambitions, especially as it pertains to Israel. So we're on the eve of getting a nuclear weapon. I think that it's probably about as strong a case as can be made for any war.

But yet you see that there is this really histrionic opposition to it. And it's all highly speculative and based on this idea that the West are the aggressors and that we're engaged in this kind of this unjust conquest. But anyway, like I said, once you kind of dig into the details a little bit and you understand, you know, what the what the no kidding story is, the thing about like a lot of conspiracies is they tend to imply things. They tend to leave out details. They tend to omit a lot of critical points in their narratives and let you fill in the blanks. So there needs to be like some imagination. You need to sort of use your imagination to fill in the blanks.

but if you can just refrain from doing that, then you can see that there's a lot of these narratives will fall apart on their face. Okay. I'm going to go back to like the very beginning of what you said. Sure. I've got a couple things here. One is Code Pink and I'm like, I feel like I've heard that,

but can you walk me through Code Pink? So I know, and I'm assuming there's people in the audience going, Code Pink, what the heck is he talking about? It's just another NGO. Like I said, Code Pink. I'm just giving. one example. There are all kinds of NGOs out there. These guys just happen to be kind of some of the worst offenders. And they started as an anti-war, like anti-Iran or sorry, Iraq war kind of thing right

around 2003. And, you know, truth be told, a lot of the anti-war movement over history has been, you know, has found roots in adversarial propaganda. So the, the, The Code Pink types, like they tend to drive a lot of the campus unrest. They will sponsor a lot of these protests and campus unrest with respect to the war in Gaza, as well as now a lot of the focus, of course, is shifted onto the Iran War. And it's all kind of dark money. Like I said, it's coming from one couple, one power couple that's based. out of Shanghai that are, you know, invested in Chinese tech and known to sympathize with

the CCP and their messaging. But, you know, it's not just them either. Like, there were multiple student activists who were, you know, central ringleaders in a lot of these campus protests against the war in Gaza and the war in Iran, who turned out to be Chinese nationals. and got deported by the Trump administration. They turned out to be Chinese nationals. And like China has removed Israel from some of its maps.

Their map warfare is one of their lines of attack in the information battle space, I guess. They use, you're probably familiar with the 11-dashed line in the South China Sea. It used to be the 7-dash line, and then it was the 9-dash line. I think now it's the 11-dash line where they keep expanding their territorial waters. And they're saying these aren't our territorial waters. These are our historical fishing waters. It's a kind of totalitarian creep, you know, a kind of strategy. And they apply that to Israel by removing them from their maps and referring to it as a disputed territory.

So it has to do with like undermining its legitimacy. the anti-colonial narrative is Russian, as far as I can tell. Russia used a lot of the anti-colonial propaganda to destabilize western colonies in the wake of the Second World War, especially in the Middle East and Africa. And they were fully expecting that once Israel was established, that they would align with Russia because there's a pretty prominent Jewish population in Russia. but that's not the way that it went.

A lot of Jews actually left Russia to go to Israel. And a lot of Israelis are Russian speaking as a result. But it was Israel that allied with the West, especially against communism. And so Russia has its proxies in there. The Assad regime, of course, is gone. But they've also been allied with Iran. And they have ambitions. of getting access to a lot of natural resources in that region.

And it's a key kind of crossroads in the world in terms of the geostrategic outlook. So they were expecting Israel to go with them. And then when they didn't, they started running the same kind of anti-Western colonialism narrative with respect to them, calling them colonizers and saying they're not really indigenous to the region and, you know, that they're there oppressing. the indigenous peoples. It's the same thing they say about us. Like this is where a lot of the radicalization of the indigenous population comes from in Canada with Idle No More and the the likes of that. Like they're they're radicalizing indigenous populations against the

Western colonizers as if Western colonialism were some kind of a bad thing when really you know people in Western colonies in Africa for example were never so well off as they were under under the the stewardship of Cecil Roe. when it was Rhodes, instead of Zimbabwe, and now Zimbabwe is just another communist hellhole, whereas when it was Rhodesia, it was the breadbasket of Africa. It was an effort on the part of Britain in particular to emancipate the human race, to improve the loss of many of these countries who never even really had agriculture. But that narrative has been flipped, right, through this Russian propaganda.

So, like, we're steeped in this propaganda. I could go on for a long time, I think about. Well, actually, one of the things I'd written down was something you said, propaganda to destabilize a population. And I mean, your military background, I guess I go to the civilian, which I firmly sit in, and I never served, obviously, I go, you come through COVID and you went through all that. And I assume a ton of the audience that listens, although I hope, you know, as as time goes on, more and more people are starting to wake up and tune in and start to get educated as just a voter

and watching what not only you, but others have done fighting for rights and pushing back against government overreach. But one of the things, you know, you come through COVID. I don't know if I ever thought I was a genius, but you thought, holy crap, I thought I dodged a serious bullet. And every day that goes by, you get proven right by that. And then you go, okay, what else did I get lied to about? And now, I'm sure I speak for you as I speak for myself and I'm probably part of the audience where you went searching and you found a ton of stuff.

And some of it you're like, that is pretty crazy. I might just need to back up. And I've ran into so many people that went down a ton of rabbit holes. And some never came back and some went, that's too far. but this propaganda to destabilize, the military would know all about that, right? It's a tactic. But for the common civilian,

you know, you're sitting there trying to unravel narratives that are being spun by not just the Russians and the Iranians and Israel and Britain and the U.S. And I don't know how good Canada is it spinning narratives, but I'm sure, you know, you can have your thought on that. It just, what is the common person?

supposed to do when they're trying to understand the world. And it gets more and more creative on how to destabilize us all to question just almost everything. Like everything is up for debate. Well, you know, trust but verify is the kind of less cynical approach, I guess, that you could take to deverefy the information that you're receiving. But just as, you know, kind of an approximation, like, consider what enemy propaganda would look like.

Like what would be the purposes of it? It would be to divide us, weaken us from within, right? Pit us against each other. And it would also pit us against our allies, as if we don't have any allies. And that seems to be the position that a lot of these people are taken these days. Like the United States is not our ally. Israel is not our ally.

That's for sure. And it very much mirrors Iranian. Jeff, you disappeared. I can't hear you. Okay, I lost them there for a second, folks. I want to come back to your trust, but verify. So it's interesting because it's like, well, once upon a time, Tucker was the guy that everyone followed. And then he split, right?

Some people believe everything he says. Some people are like, when he started talking, he lost me. Right? But that goes for, I'm sure I've had that in my realm. of people listening to me, right? I try as best I can to bring on people who have different sides. And Iran is really easy. It seems like really easy because the people I normally talk to, they're all split on it.

I'm like, oh, this is interesting. Okay. Well, we'll just allow everybody to come on and talk about it. But that's the destabilizing effect. It's like I used to follow, I'm just talking in general here. I used to follow everything Tucker did because in the middle of COVID, he was hitting home run after home run or take your pick. I don't know who the everyone's fallen.

But Tucker, Candace Owens, Alex Jones, who am I missing? Megan Kelly, although I can be honest, folks. I don't know if I ever watched anything of Megan Kelly's until she went on a few different things. Sean Ryan, right? Like there's probably some of the names that along the way you tuned in because there's a good interview. Oh man, what is this? And then they've all come to a firm conclusion. they're over here. Israel is controlling the United States. Donald Trump has turned his back on Americans.

I don't know. I can probably think of a couple more. Maybe he's gone senile and lost his mind, that type of train of thought. And so to the average person, they're going, well, how do I trust him verify that? Like, I thought Tucker was trustworthy. And if Tucker isn't trustworthy, okay, I'm backing off, but Sean Ryan. And now he, oh, okay, wait, I better back off, you know. And maybe it was, was Joe Rogan. I don't, I don't know. You know, like there's, there's all these different huge names that gained a lot of trust, specifically through COVID. I'm not that familiar with Sean Ryan. So maybe I'll use Tucker as, as an example. Now, Tucker, the thing about Tucker is that, yeah, he was pretty spot on for a lot of years,

especially when it came to the question of radical Islamic terror or global jihad or whatever you want to call it um but uh you know he was very hawkish when it came to global jihad for a lot of years and then all of a sudden just within the last couple of years um he he's running this routine like you know uh why do we want to go to war with Muslims i mean what do they ever do and and stuff like that he's he's running these kinds of um and i find it's all it's all very manipulative like he's not um exactly giving you cold hard facts um when he goes into these uh these these little tirades, but it's a complete inversion of what he used to say. Now he's saying that maybe we should just stop attacking all these Muslims, whereas previously he was very hawkish and he was

always pointing out the kind of ambient hostility within the UMA or the Muslim world toward the West. And it does have theological roots. And, you know, there are a lot of these leaders even of countries who espoused the same kind of anti-Western narratives. And so he was very hawkish on that for a lot of years. And now all of a sudden, he's completely flipped and he's gone on the other direction. Right around the same time that he bought a house in Qatar. He owns a house in Qatar. And Qatar is known to be the international headquarters for the Muslim Brotherhood.

They even provided safe haven for the leaders of Hamas while Gaza was under siege. It's not like those guys were there leading the troops on the ground or anything. Like they were in multi-million dollar condos. They're worth billions of dollars and they're being housed in Qatar. And then, you know, Tucker does a trip over there and he starts doing some interviews. The way that he's been interviewing has been very suspicious as well. You know, he didn't really give Vladimir Putin any pushback. But then when it was Ted Cruz, It was some of the most forceful pushback I think I've ever seen in any kind of a cordial sit-down interview like that. So it's the shift that I find to be so striking that he shifted positions.

And I think maybe it's just the case that he's something like a gun for hire. Like he started. Do you think that's what it is or do you think he's under pressure in different ways? It could be pressure in different ways. but I remember him as the token conservative on CNN who wore a bow tie. Like that was how he got his start in media. And he ended up getting fired because John Stewart called him out for being an actor, for being a performer.

He was like, you know, this is the bow tie. This is all theater. And everybody kind of said, oh, yeah, you know, it is. This crossfire. That was the show that he was called Crossfire. Like it really is kind of theater. And so he lost a lot of credibility and ended up moving on. but he went over to Fox News where now he's wearing a tie like a real tie like a normal person

and you know he I think espoused a lot of narratives that worked really well for his target audience and got really rich off of it and now he's found a new target audience with a lot of these people that have been taken in by these foreign funded sciops and who knows if there's some kind of dark money flowing his way or not it's it's really hard to say with these kinds of things. And there was some question, I want to say, about the Foreign Agent Registry Act violations or something at some point. But I'm not going to get into that. Maybe you can look it up on your own.

It's not coming to me right now. But yeah, he was meeting with some foreign dignitaries from Qatar and he was supposed to disclose it or something like that through the Foreign Agent Registries Act. But maybe there's a good defense against that. I'm not really sure about all the details. So there's a lot of reasons to be suspicious, at least, when it comes to Tucker because he totally flipped his position and went to the other side, not just when he was going from CNN to Fox, but also when he left Fox and started espousing a lot of these anti-American narratives and anti-Trump narratives. So I think that maybe he just goes where the money is with Candace Owens. I mean, she's clearly making a lot of money, driving a lot of these conspiracy narratives. they are kind of romantic and interesting and fascinating.

It's a great way to captivate an audience, I'm sure. But she is also a creature of the left, for example. You know, it's not just Tucker who got started working on left-wing, left-wing news outlets like CNN. Like she was with the Young Turks back in the day. That's how she got her start. And there were a couple other things that she did. She was involved in some initiatives that were fairly wet left-wing.

So I tend to think that perhaps there's still this kind of residual wokeness, as I call it. Her thinking is still very much geared toward the left, which tends to be pretty anti-American. So, so, you know, and a lot of people, I think, have kind of run away from her screaming at this point anyway. But again, these are the kinds of things like to be a little bit more cynical when it comes to like considering your sources, like what is driving these people and what is it that motivates them? Well, there is a ton of cash in this business right now. And a lot of these foreign regimes, like, they're trying to cultivate assets even when it comes to, like, it could just be an influence off.

It could be like just charming people, you know, like when they brought Saudi Arabia brought Bill Burr and a bunch of comedians over there to do a comedy tour in Saudi Arabia. and they were told, like, you can't trash the Prophet Muhammad or the, you know, the king of Saudi Arabia or anything like that. But everything else should be pretty much fair game, I guess. I guess that's what they told them. But then you get these comedians out there just going out and gushing about what a great country Saudi Arabia is. So there's, you know, a lot of money being put into this, a massive effort.

Well, you go Bill Burr, and I think Dave Chappelle went as well, wasn't it? Yeah, I think so. I think Dave Chappelle did go. And he talked about it. He was like, you know, I wasn't allowed to say certain things, as you're pointing out. But he goes, when I come to the United States, they're trying to tell me and shut me down for talking about, you know, are certain things too is what he was pointing out. Yeah. And it's as if he's trying to get you to believe, at least on an emotional level, that there is a moral equivalence to be drawn between the United States and in Saudi Arabia. There's not. you know,

is much worse than the United States. I'm not saying the United States is perfect or Canada is perfect. Clearly, like, there's plenty of room for all kinds of criticism. But we're still the best compared to all of the other primates on Earth. Like, we're still some of the greatest countries that have ever existed in all of human history. So there's that. There's no moral equivalence to be drawn. It's not to say that we're perfect countries.

It's just to say that we are the best. So there is, again, that's that kind of demoralization propaganda where they start to think, they want you to think that we're no better than anybody else. It's just not true. And so there are those kinds of influence operations. And there are like the Qataris, they were found who have been funding universities to the tune of tens of billions of dollars in the United States. And the universities that took the most money from Qatar were. also the campuses that had the most unrest, especially in terms of like the Queers for Palestine

Movement. That was where it was the strongest. So, you know, this, this is, this is the kind of stuff that they get up to, to sow division, to turn people against their own nation, and, and especially Donald Trump. You're, you're a big fan of Blacklocks here in Canada, right? Because Blacklock's reporter, Holly and, oh, forgive me. Holly Donne. Holly and why can I think of his name? Oh, that's terrible. Yeah, I know you're talking about.

Oh, somebody's screaming at the radio right now. I'm sorry, folks. I'm having a blunder. It'll come to me. I can see him in my head. I've had them on the show multiple times. That's terrible. Regardless.

What do they always do? They follow the money. And, you know, when you follow the money, then you see incentives. And once you see the incentives, then you can kind of, and when you're talking about guitar, donating billions of dollars or whatever, two different spots, you're like, well, that seems kind of odd. You're looking for it right now. I know you are.

I'm like, can you get it before my brain can remember it? It's terrible. Oh, no. Yeah, I can't think of his name either. But with the follow the money one, this is a really interesting one because what people will throw at me all the time

is they, you know, they don't want our politicians, you know, being bribed by Israel, and they don't want Canadian tax dollars going to fund the war effort in Israel. And I'm like, what are you talking about? None of that is happening. Like there's no A-PAC in Canada.

First of all, we get into the A-PAC thing. Tom Korski. Oh, my goodness. Sorry. There. Somebody yelling at the radio. Tom Korski. It's terrible, Tom.

I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I had a blunder this morning. Yeah. Tom Korsk. They do carry on. But what I was going to say is if you want to follow the money, you will not follow the money back to Israel when it comes to Canada.

And so a lot of this stuff, like there are these narratives that are focused on the United States and people just seem to be taking them and mapping them right onto Canada. There is no APAC in Canada. Like there are a lot of people will point to Sija, the Canadian-Israeli Jewish Association. But they're Canadian. Like they're Canadian Jews. And APAC, they're American Jews for that matter. but you know Canada sends exactly zero dollars to to the government of Israel to we don't have like what they'll call they'll call it the military industrial complex where

the United States provides loans to Israel on the condition that they use those loans to buy military equipment from the United States and it actually like you know bolsters the industry in the United States and you know it it improves the partnership and there's a lot of jobs that are generated from that in the United States. It does benefit the United States. But even the amount of money going through is just a drop in the bucket compared to where money is going elsewhere. So there's a lot of just this kind of histrionic,

like they're blowing this stuff way out of proportion where money going to places like Afghanistan or what's another one, like Somalia. There's more money going to other people. places. And in terms of the amount of money that APAC spends on lobbying the U.S. federal government, like, again, it is a drop in the bucket compared to what the Qataris spent. They outspend them by like orders of magnitude. And Israel are allies to the United States, whereas Qatar is hosting the Muslim Brotherhood. So there's a distinction to be made there for sure.

And again, like Canada sends zero dollars. We don't send them anything. We even, like we do fund Hamas through UNRWA. And when we found out that UNRWA had actually participated in the October 7th massacre, we said, okay, we're not sending any more money to them. And then it took all of two weeks for us to say, oh, never mind. We're going to send them their money after all. So we never even missed a payment. We just kept funding Underaw even after we knew that they had a hand in October 7th

and that they were, you know, providing aid and comfort to Hamas and letting them use their schools and facilities as command posts from which they would launch attacks into Israel in order to draw fire on locations like purported hospitals and schools and things like this. That's why we say that Hamas uses human shields. And so does Hezbollah. A lot of these jihadi organizations do.

They don't value human life the same way that we do over here. And, you know, all martyrs get. into paradise. So even if you're using a child as a human shield, that child becomes a martyr and gets into paradise, then it's a good thing. So, but we, we fund under a while. We don't fund anything in terms of, of Israel. And we even put a moratorium. We put a stop to our companies selling defense equipment to the Israelis, just doing regular business. I think they're still finding ways to back channel it, like through the, United States and other agreements and stuff like that. But our government has taken,

we said we would arrest BB Netanyahu if he, if he set foot on Canadian soil. So this idea that our woes are somehow attributable to Israel is pretty laughable on his face in light of all of these things. I don't think that Kearney would have gone out and unilaterally recognized Palestine as a state if Israel really had such an effective lobby here in Canada. So, like it's exactly the opposite. Everything, all of the facts about this case are exactly the opposite of what you would expect to see if Israel really controlled Canada or had a powerful lobby that was controlling our politics. What I would worry about is China.

And who's China pointing the finger at? Well, they're pointing the finger at Israel, of course. They're pointing the finger at our allies. And that is the kind of thing that you should expect when it comes to adversarial propaganda. is they're going to try to polarize us against our allies. They're going to exploit a lot of natural divisions within our own society to pit us against each other, whether it's the indigenous question. I think that the Cam Loops mass grave hoax was essentially Mao's cultural revolution

imported to Canada. It's a lot of the shaming and demoralization propaganda, this idea that we don't have any moral high ground to, you know, who are we to say what should be going on in the world or what kind of a direction we should be taken when we're the genocidal mass mass murderers over here in Canada, you know. But again, our adversaries always accuse us of what they themselves are guilty. It's China who's engaged in a genocide. So, you know, that's the kind of thing that you should expect to see from from their kind of propaganda is that they would say that we are the bad guys. It's our own elites that are stoking all of these wars. We're the real warmongers,

and we're being, you know, controlled by a satanic power, Israel in the Middle East. So those are the ones that I would be most skeptical about is anything that would divide us from our natural allies, that would make us suspicious of our fellow Canadians that would weaken our resource resolved in any kind of like a Western war effort to contain some of our enemies while they're on the move. You know, for example, around Ukraine, which I think has been utterly mismanaged, but at the same time, it wasn't initiated by NATO. Like, NATO is a strategic defensive pact. It's never attacked anybody.

So there's a lot of things about how NATO has surrounded Russia and, and, and, and, you know, and so on and so forth. But really, like, Russia has been the aggressor and the one expanding their territory. You know, they were first in Ukraine around 2014 with the little green men with no name tags under Obama. So, and now somehow in, in like 2019, 2020, it's all about Ukraine joining NATO or something like that. or NATO trying to surround Russia. But Russia was invading well before any of this stuff. And, you know, Ukraine gave up their nuclear weapons as part of for peace.

They had nuclear weapons once upon a time. So if they really wanted to be aggressive against Russia, then they would have those nuclear weapons. But yeah, that's the kind of thing that they will say is they will use these kinds of optics where we have other countries joining NATO, which, by the way, I said it right in the NATO Charter, any country can join. So they will say, look, other other countries are joining, therefore, NATO is, is, is, is, uh, is, uh, about to attack or they're, they're surrounding us. But there's,

there are a lot of problems with that narrative, um, namely that NATO's never attacked anybody. And of course, Ukraine gave up as nuclear weapons. Um, so as to not provoke Russia. So, uh, the provocations all coming from, from the Russian side, really. Um, but they, they, they will flip that script and they'll push a lot of these false flag narratives as, as well. So, yeah, it's really tricky to kind of wait through it, I understand. But it's something I think we really need to deal with because it's effectively destroyed the freedom movement in Canada. You know, everybody's kind of divided and suspicious and just pitted against each other right now. And I would say that the main dividing line is on the question of Israel or Zerner,

Zionism. Sometimes they say globalism when they mean Zionism. You know, and if you don't accept this narrative, then you must be, you know, with the enemy. You must be working for them. So they turn around and they attack and they witch hunt and engage in a lot of kind of cancel culture tactics that we're used to seeing from the left. And really, a lot of these narratives, they are left-wing narratives, I'm afraid. Like, you know, when I say the global left, that includes the Chinese Communist Party. And I think that a lot of people during COVID, I'm glad you mentioned that. I think a lot of people started to wake up to the fact that there's something really wrong.

And they started looking around for answers, fell down a lot of rabbit holes and never really kind of made their way back out just yet. And they've succeeded with a lot of these narratives. And I think a lot of people were left politically homeless during COVID. I saw that with the People's Party, it seemed to me, I was like, what are all these lefties doing here? Like, I thought this was a right party. Where are all the right wingers at? But I think a lot of people are actually of the left. They are, you know, very left wing in their thinking, even though they realize like the liberals are corrupt and the NDP are even worse.

They're starting to realize that. It's just that old habits die hard. And so they still tend to put a kind of left wing. lens over things. And they drag a lot of this Marxist baggage with them now that they're kind of finding their way out of it. I think that's what the awakening process really is. It's just that people are starting off indoctrinated into essentially a left-wing Marxist worldview. And the process of awakening is one where they're disabused of these various narratives gradually over time. But it seems like because as soon as COVID hit and everybody was locked down,

they went right to their computer screens and stayed there for a couple of years. they ended up down a lot of these rabbit holes that are there for that purpose. It's to turn them against the legitimate freedom movement, the legitimate effort to restore freedom and to bring, restore stability in the world. One final question before I let you out of here. Sure. You just breezed by it real fast. And I was like, what Jeff means by that?

You said, if you're looking at 9-11, probably the people that should be blamed the most for it, that might not have been what you said. That's how my brain remembers it, is the Pakistanis. And I feel like I may have heard this once upon a time, but what do you mean by that? Well, the funding for 9-11 was traced back to an ISI agent that's a Pakistani intelligence out of, out of Dubai, and he was working for a Pakistani general. And Muhammad Atta's co-conspirator in the Hamburg cell who went missing right around the time of 9-11 there, his passport turned up in Pakistan.

And I mean, Osama bin Laden was found in Pakistan. by the way, like the madrasas that radicalize the Taliban, like the Taliban are essentially just the Pashtun, which is a nomadic kind of mountainous tribe. They live in the mountains that border Pakistan and Afghanistan, so they're kind of sprawling over both sides. The madrasas that radicalized and created the Taliban were built by Pakistan under the direction of Osama bin Laden.

and they provided him with Safe Haven. And what was the other one? There was another big one. There's the funding connection. There's the Hamburg Excel connection. And I can't remember. There are a lot of connections, though, that lead back to Pakistan when it comes to 9-11. In fact, I even, if you want to know what I think of in my more conspiratorial moments,

I think that maybe the Afghan war was just, there was a conscious decision to say, well, we can't go into Pakistan because they're nuclear, but the Taliban are on both sides of the border. So maybe we can flesh them out from the Afghanistan side. You know, that seems to be a pretty calculated move, I think. It could be. But, you know, it's mostly just speculation on my part. But, yeah, Pakistan definitely, if there's one country in the world, if there's one state, that is most connected to 9-11. It is Pakistan.

Appreciate you hopping on and doing this. Appreciate you reaching out. And who knows, on the world travel coming up, we might just run into each other again in person. We did get to meet. I think we unify memory serves me, correct? Yeah. Very briefly, that was a busy weekend for everyone in attendance.

But if we get out to your neck of the woods, you know, the podcast listener, can probably expect Mr. Evely back on. I do tip my hat to you, you know, where we started this conversation and where we ended it. I'm like, at the start, you know, what you've done here in Canada is nothing short of remarkable from where I sit.

And I want to really end it there. Like, you know, you can agree or disagree with everything Jeff just said. But if you go back to where we started and what you've done here in Canada, I don't think anyone's going to go, wow, this guy. You go, this guy put his hat in the ring and got a win. Got a great win for Canadians. So I think, you know, well, I just appreciate you doing this, hopping on and standing for your values on the other side of Canada.

Appreciate it. Yeah, my pleasure, Sean. It's a real pleasure chatting with you too, man. So I look forward to doing it again.