Shaun Newman Podcast - #1086 - Tanner Hnidey

Episode Date: July 2, 2026

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And then Caleb Taves and Renegade Acres. Of course, they did the concrete in the new studio. No worries, folks. We're going to get back to that lovely place in a year's time. Yeah, we're almost, well, we're sitting on the doorstep leaving for a year. And Caleb Taves has the community spotlight. That's what we're talking about is the fact that, you know, Sunday, Sunday, Sunday, we pull out and we start on a journey. La Duke, the Cozes is the first stop.

And, you know, people have been asking, and you're going to hear about it today. But, like, you know, like, where are the stops? No worries, I'm going to put the stops on substack. I'm working on it right now. That way you can kind of get a gauge of where we're going to be and when we're going to be roughly in that area. And Mel's got it all mapped out. I mean, fantastic lady.

Honestly, if it wasn't for her, I mean, if it wasn't for my head being attached, it'd be off. And certainly if it wasn't for Mel on the trip, I'd be all over the place. She's got us, you know, scheduled out so we know where we're going and we're going to share that so that you find folks can know exactly where we're going to be most of the time. You know, there's going to be a little bit of flexibility,

but at least it gives you a general idea of where we're going to be, when we're going to be. And I look forward to sharing that as we get rolling here, three days away. Four days away? Three days away. Yeah, Sunday. It's coming up fast.

And I want you to keep nominating people now that, you know, hopefully by the time this goes, I'm working on it. So hopefully it's up on substack. You can actually see where we're going. And hopefully that gives a whole bunch of you a better idea. of, well, I should nominate old bell from down the street, right? And look forward to hearing more of your suggestions.

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Now, let's get on to that tale of the tape. Today's guest is an economist, freelance speaker, social critic, and author. I'm talking about Tanner today. So buckle up. Here we go. Welcome to the Sean Newman podcast. I'm joined by Tanner and I today.

Thanks for doing this. Hoping in. Thank you. I'm so excited to chat with you before you head out. Well, you know, as this releases will be four days away. And I was like, you know, I wonder if I should be doing a podcast just to tell people a little bit about it. Because I feel like people know, but then I'm like, I don't know. Maybe, you know, other than they know I'm going for a year, I'm like, there's probably a whole,

ton of questions and I it's better, I was thinking about doing it solo. Yeah. I'm like, it's probably better to have someone to bounce it off. Me and you always have such a lovely conversation. They're always fun,

yeah. I'm like, Miles just invite Tanner and he can sit and, I don't know, like, I don't even know where to begin because I'm like, we're leaving for a year in four days now. And,

uh, there's probably a whole bunch of unknowns that people don't know about. I don't know. I just thought, what better way to do it than to just do it in a conversation form? format. Yep. Have you come in and whether we get right into the nitty gritty of it or we go all over the place, you know, because like before we get into any of that, you know, the big news of today is Elections Alberta getting to count the vote. And then we both go, well, what does that mean?

It's like, well, I get to count it. I don't think it means that there's a referendum, a binding referendum tomorrow. They call it a partial victory. Yeah. I go. So they get to count it. Yeah. See what comes. We'll see what happens. See what's happened. Yeah, that's right. Changes day by day. No, I'm excited for you guys. I think you're going to have a lot of fun. You sound like, you sound like Paul going on a missionary journey. Well, it was Leighton who first said that. Was it?

Yeah, he was sitting in your chair. He's like, you're going on a mission. And I'm like, uh, uh, um, buckle up. I don't know if that's what it, I guess that's not how I would, would call it, uh, or frame it. But, um, it's going to be an adventure, no doubt about that. Oh, it will. It'll be a fun adventure. And you've got a great opportunity.

Yeah, to share the gospel. And of course, to interview other people, you know, and so on. But I'm so excited for you guys. Well, for the audience, we leave July 5th. And people have been asking, oh, where are you going? Well, we're doing a loop of Alberta first, right? Our first big stop. Oh, it's a big, it's a big stop. But I'm excited about it, is La Duke. Sweet.

And so we have, I'm interviewing a 95-year-old canvasser, just north of Camrose. I'm supposed to be interviewing West Wall, who was instrumental. One of those men who comes into your life at the right time. Christian man, think very highly of them. And I've been trying to get him on the podcast for years. And he finally said yes. I was like, oh. Sweet.

So that's kind of like the beginning of it. I guess, you know, like, and then from LaDuke, we go to east of Calgary for several days. Then we go to Cypress Hills camping with some friends. then Jamie Sinclair's at Regina Beach, then close to Tufnal, the stomping grounds, a quick Dick, McDick, and then in Manitoba.

So that's the beginning kind of circle of it. And then, you know, we drop down into Minnesota to go spend a week with Mel's family before we get off into everywhere else. And then we come back and spend a week in Manitoba. And then from there, we just start picking away east.

Chewing your way through. September 9th, we got to be on a ferry of Newfoundland. Sweet. So that's kind of like the first hard date. Yeah. And then we're going down the east coast of the states. I'm planning on being at the Wise Traditions Conference.

I think that's what it is. That's Catherine Austin Fitz. And to the audience, you know, I'm trying to time a couple things. But like, overall, it's not being like, oh, we've got to be at this conference, to that conference, this conference. If it lines up. It lines up. It lines up.

And right now in Wise Traditions looks like it's almost bang on. I'm hoping. I shouldn't say I'm hoping. I'm planning to fly home for the. referendum and vote. Yeah. And so that, that has me flying out of Washington, D.C., back to Alberta for the referendum. I don't know.

What, what, you know, we didn't game plan this of like, oh, we should ask all these questions. But I'm like, what am I skipping over? Ah, I'm like, to be honest, I'm learning as much as the audiences right now. I knew you were going. And, of course, I know it's a big trip, but the intimate details of it, I don't quite yet, no. Like, are you going to hit every single state or no? No.

No. So we're going to hit every single province. Right, okay. We're not going to the, well, that's a lie. I'm already, see, I'm already jumping. We're going to hit every province but BC. We're not going to the north, so we're not going to the Yukon, Northwest Territories, none of it. We're heading all the way to Newfoundland.

We had a discussion about, you know, like, do we spend the time on a ferry, the cost of going on the ferry? Yeah. And I started, I'm like, you know, if we don't go, it's been 20 years this summer. since we bike Canada. Really? And I'm like, if we don't go, who knows when we'll ever get there?

You're going to be right beside it anyways. Sure. Why don't we? Yeah. Kids will think a ferry ride's going to be cool, right? Like, it's something very different. Yeah.

And the rock is such a cool culture, right? Yeah. Just, and it's been 20 years since I've been there. Yeah. So why not? And then from there, we go down the East Coast.

So we're hitting all the states along the East Coast, planning on attending Martin Armstrong's conference. Sweet. beginning of December and of November, somewhere in that range. And then we have to be back to Minneapolis to, you know, store our vehicle and our trailer. Yeah. End of December, mid-December, December, December, 18th, 19th. And from there, we fly to Panama, Panama to Hawaii, Hawaii, to New Zealand, Australia.

And after that, folks, I don't know. May 15th is the Cornerstone Forum back in Calgary. Right. I will be back for that. That's a hard date. That's another hard date, right? Sure. You know, there's a lot of things in there.

People keep asking, well, do you got all your interviews lined up? Do I have all my interviews? No. Yeah. I operate on like a two-week window where I'm like planning. Yeah. And even some of the people I've reached out to,

well, I'm going to be there in like November. Oh, yeah, well, reach out to me like a week before. I'm like, oh. Yeah. All right, right. And then there's going to be scheduled conflicts for people. Of course. I'm gone and I'm hoping, I'm really hoping,

probably the biggest change, Tanner, that's going to happen. So think about this this morning. People have come to expect, Martin Armstrong on once a month. Yeah. Tom Luongo, Alex Craneer on once a month. Chris Sims probably on once a month every 90 days. I was going to say 75 days.

I don't know why 75, regardless. Just like, you know, there's some consistency at a certain guess, even yourself. Yeah. And the goal of this is to do in person as much as possible, which means Martin Armstrong, the next time you'll hear him is when I'm in Florida. Right. Tanner, the next time you're going to hear Tanner, is a virtual that I'm doing, I think, from Panama.

Okay. For Christmas Day. Well, maybe I'll fly down for Christmas. I can enjoy the heat when it's cold because that'd be a fun one. But anyway, it'll be fun. It's a good example of man makes his steps, but, you know, the Lord decides how it works. So who knows what will happen in a month from now? It'll be an adventure, a fun adventure.

Some other things that come to mind, we just confirm we're renting our house for a year. Sweet. So that's good news. Nice. People have been asking about that. And what that does is it frees up having any expenses back home. Yeah. No organized sports for the kids, which is going to be, you know this is as good as

as anyone living across from me. The amount of sports we do and the coaching and everything. Lots of sports, yeah. And so that's all going to be, well, a year away from it. Mel's taking a sabbatical for a year. So she's going to be homeschooling, which is going to be interesting. Yeah, it will be. It will be. Blessing in disguise, perhaps, hey?

Not even in disguise. I can say this safely. In the middle of COVID, I was interested in homeschooling. Mel wasn't. And so to have the opportunity to do it now, and for us both to be on board with it, is super cool. Yeah, is it ever? Like, I'm sure there's going to be rough days.

I can guarantee that. But overall, like. It's true for anything, yeah. You know? It's true for public school. You know, there's always one or two days. I'm sure, like, my wife and I don't have kids yet. And I grew up in public school.

You know, dad taught at the comp. But, man, I would sure consider homeschooling. And I would try and, you know, especially after taking these courses, these courses from my master's sociology, like even learning the Greek and stuff, man, I found that to be so helpful. English and the like that it would sure be, it would sure be interesting. And I think beneficial for our children to learn the classics like that, you know, and those rudimentary principles and grammars and things that aren't focused on as heavily nowadays in school.

I think with kids, like getting to see the country will be really cool. You know, it's, it's Shea at 10 who's watching the FIFA World Cup. Sure. And his siblings go, are they playing Russia? and I don't know why they say that. I have no idea. And then Shale go, no, Russia's not in it. And they go, well, why?

And I'm listening to this country. He's like, well, because they're at war with Iran. And I go, no, it's Ukraine. He goes, oh, yeah, right, Ukraine. But he goes, it's funny because USA is still in it, and they're at war. And I go, yeah, it is interesting. Why do you think that is? And exploring the countries of different areas,

I'm very curious what conversations come out of that. For sure. Because I'm going to have a fresh set eyes from 20 years ago going across the country. Yep. And certainly pedal biking compared to driving it will be two different ways of seeing a country, right? Yeah. That's a bit different speed. Yeah.

So that's going to be with kids. I'm very curious to see what conversations come out of that. Yeah, I agree. It'll be a great experience for them too. It's good to adventure, see the world, you know. Now, one of the things I have to highlight is the community of this podcast. podcast has been exceptional. Yeah.

I'm going to say it again, but Zane and Brian Southgate, they souped up an old 2005 suburban. It's dressed up. I see it. I've fallen in love of it. Mel thing, every guy, I've said this lots. I don't know what it feels like to be a good-looking woman. When you walk down the street and every guy's head turns, right? Yeah, yeah, sure. When I drive this thing, every guy's head turns.

No woman's things, they all think it's too loud. No, yeah. It's not that pretty. and but every guy's head turns. Yeah. And that's the community. There's been different people reach out, offering places to stay. I've had a few people give gas money, which has been humbling, probably the right word.

Yeah. You know, like, I don't know, like, what is, what does Peterson say? I always come back to Peterson, clean your own room, make your bed, then take care of your family. Maybe you can start to build a community. and the community that's come out of this podcast, which you've seen at the Cornerstone Forum, is really cool. And I really hope,

if we're in relative to your area, that we can run into one another because it's super cool to meet the people that are listening to, you know? Yeah. It's pretty wild. It's solid. It's a great proof that, you know,

a more progressive or socialist idea that anyone who's capitalist or free enterprise doesn't believe in, society or a tight-knit community is wrong or false. You know, it's charity and generosity and all of those virtues are alive in, well, the podcast community for sure. So I agree. It's encouraging to see.

And it's rare nowadays in society is so isolated that to actually have a community which is active and engaged and ready to not just encourage you online, but actually meet you and encourage you and work with you in person. That's, that is scarce. That's a scarce quality. So it's all the sweeter when you actually, you know, interact with it. Why do you think that's scarce? I just feel like that, I don't think I'm doing anything special, folks.

I'm going to be, I probably sell myself a little too short, but at the same time, I'm like, there's lots of wonderful people out there doing lots of wonderful things. Why do you think it's scarce to have a community like that? I think the online community has a lot of big part to play. You know, like it's just everything is at your fingertips now and there's no need to go out and have coffee with your neighbors. I mean, supposedly anymore, because I'll just chat with them.

I'll text with them. I think that's a start. I think a second reason is that, well, to be honest, sin. I think sin naturally isolates. And I think as society has, at least in the last, you know, however many decades progressively moved away from scripture and even like just the Proverbs. the whole

the recognition that there's a necessity for community and for interaction, physical interaction with each other has almost vanished.

Don't you feel like just like it feels like there's a resurgence. Yes, I do. Christianity, there's a resurgence of people wanting to get together

to go for a coffee, to have more interactions, trying to, you know, like they talk about the fads. Yeah. through the generations where, you know, I don't know. Yeah.

The gym was a fad or probably something like, what were the, what was the machine you put on your abs? It was supposed to shock you back. Right? I don't know anybody use that. It's probably poor example. But I'm like, you know how there's like these fads that go through every decade probably, maybe even last?

Maybe it's a couple of years at a time. Sure. I feel like there is a resurgence in Christianity. there's a resurgence in meeting people and getting to know one another and like that community but maybe maybe it's not as prevalent as I give a credit. Maybe I'm kind of my own echo. No, I think there's for sure resurgence, especially in community. You look at that, you're right, you look at history, like go back to the Old Testament.

So Israel has a promise that they're supposed to do something, they're supposed to obey God great. They do it for a bit and then they sin and they fall deeper and deeper and deeper and deeper into sin and they forsake Almighty God. And then after a while, they're punished, disciplined, or they recognize the error of their ways, and they return. And then they have a generation or whatever it might be of solid existence. And then they do the same. And they go back and forth and back and forth and up and down and up and down.

And that's no different for, you know, even our communities. You know, you have a period where the nation, you know, more than other times in its history serves Almighty. And then it falls. And it says we're going to be progressive or we'll be, you know, we'll be, who knows, rationalist, whatever it might be. And then it falls, false, falls. And then it goes, this isn't so good. We've got problems.

And it goes back up to the top. And then it goes back down and back and forth like this sine wave. So I think what you're just describing is the natural progression throughout history of a nation realizes it's done wrong. It changes its mind. And then it experiences, you know, a period where it's solid. it does that again. Well, it's interesting. I just had Drew Weatherhead on.

And he was talking about the first time I asked him if he believed in God. And then he talked about how it like he'd actually fall away and then, I mean, I'll push people to go back and listen to it. It's just a couple episodes ago. And I find that very curious, you know, like, because now he's, he's like, no, I believe in God. And he doesn't equate it just to. the conversation. Obviously, you had to go do a bunch of things. Right. But I find that interesting

because he was an atheist. Yeah. I, because of just that conversation of us going back forth, I went, atheist. Am I atheist? And then I went and looked up atheism. Like, well, no, that's not me. Yeah, no. No, I was agnostic. Sure. Sure. Right? And then, you know, like to even distinguish the two, I just kind of went along, oh, it must be atheist, right? At this point. Sure. And it's funny where a conversation, just a single one, can push just even one person. Huge implications, massive implications. The gospel comes through hearing. So don't even be shy.

Like, you know, now when I ask people, do you believe in God? I actually don't ask that. I actually ask if they believe in Christ, because Christ is God. And so what I find is in this culture, it's very easy to say, oh, yeah, I believe in God. But then the definition of God is so variable depending on who you ask that you almost don't know what, what the death, you know, you don't know what the person actually believes. Whereas if you ask, do you believe in Jesus Christ, then they're forced to reconcile with the,

with the question of it's not just an abstract entity that might have been, you know, conceptualized by the Greeks or the Persians or the Babylonians. It's, do you believe that Jesus Christ is God? And do you believe in him? So it's that, this is what's so remarkable at the gospel, you know, is that it just, it nails down everything so specifically. And it's so unapologetic in what it proclaims.

There's no room for, for, you know, erroneous interpretation within it. It's not as though one man in the scripture can say, I believe in God. And the other man says, I believe in Christ. And the first man says, well, I don't believe in Christ, but God, right? And the scripture goes, no, no, they're one and the same. So it's either or. And that's when people get uncomfortable. It's quite easy to say, I believe in God, relatively speaking, comparatively speaking.

But when you ask, do you believe in Christ, well, then it's different. You'll find it. I think it'll shock you. It shocks me. It's interesting. I'm becoming more comfortable in asking a question like that because I am very curious. You know, talking about, you know, community. Yeah.

One of the, I've had a couple comments on this. So the trailer we're taking is 21 feet log folks. It is a hybrid, meaning it doesn't have a pushout. It just has the pop-outs. Right, sure. Right, beds. Three of them now. Yeah.

And when I think about it, I'm like, that is very tiny space. Sure. And yet, you know, I fall back to the last couple years of us going on family trips. And they've become, you know, have we done anything this long? No. No. But they've become my favorite moments of the year where I, around my family. I enjoy being around my family.

So although 21 feet is going to be tight. it's true and there are going to be days yeah overall I'm like but I enjoy being around my family yeah so that's going to be an interesting thing oh it's going to be interesting yeah I mean here in town yeah how many people have a five bedroom house with yeah three people living in it or four people living in it they got TVs in every single room yeah you know like it's just bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger yeah and we are going tiny. Yeah. Well, you know, a big home, a big living space certainly doesn't mean a functional family, not necessarily, you know, there are a lot of people who live in mansions, a lot of families

that live in mansions that are tired of each other. So this would probably even go back to Christ's discussion, like on activity and sin and Matthews or Mark 7, where, you know, the living space and the sides of the living space won't determine whether or not you and your family or your living mates can get along, right? He would say it's not that. It's the interior. So it's not, you know, that, yeah, that'll be fun. Because it'll all be about what's the heart like that will determine how, how, that's true for anything, you know, when you're, when you're married to someone or when you have a family.

It's not as though, it's not as though you fight because your house is too small, you know, it's not as though you scrap because your house is too small. It's because there's something that is wrong with the heart. Yeah. So, you know, you go, like I can quote the Nigerian Christians right now. They're persecuted so bad. It's not like they live in mansions, but those families, those Christians are so, they're so tight-knit because of their hearts and how pure and righteous they are, that even though they live in these places underground, trying to, you know, hide from the persecution, which is manifest there, they are much healthier. than, you know, most everyone in these nations and these Western nations are. So too with the trailer.

It's not a persecution, obviously, but because your family is already tight, you know, they're already, it's not like you guys are, don't like each other. No, it's quite the opposite. Quite the opposite. And so, yeah, that's how I would approach that. I've been asked a lot, you know, because of the timing of it, right? You know, one is you built a new studio and you're going to leave it. Sure.

how many people have said that and went did you just finish building a new studio i'm like yes and as we record in the old studio because the new studios yeah closed in folks it's being winterized so that basically it can just sit there for a year and come back and clean it up and people are like so you built a new studio and you knew when you're leaving like yes i don't know how to sit around and not do things yeah i want to it's a building and it's something to come back to and walk right into when I get back and hit the ground running. But does you sit around for a year and not do things, build things and try and build out where I want to go?

And I'd argue, along with the trip, that studio, I prayed about it a ton and everything I tried doing. Sean tried doing by himself, it literally fell to pieces in front of me. I'm sure you've had moments like this where you're like, this is what I'm going to do. And in my opinion, God steps in and is like, I don't know about that.

I don't know what that. He's got, yeah. And then when we got the new studio going, everything fell in the place. Now, it took longer than I thought it would, but regardless, it fell in the place. This trip, the idea first took seed five years ago, not to leave for a year, just the idea that I liked being around my family. Five years ago, we left for an 11-day road trip. We went down through Montana, down to Colorado, I think. Yeah, Colorado.

for sure. And we had friends down there. We went and spent two or three nights with them. And at the time, we were in a RAV four, three kids, Shea would have been five, Meele would have been turning four, and Casey would have been like a year and a half. Sure. People thought we were in nuts back then,

a little RAV four, three kids in car seats all side by side. Yeah. You know, no space, you know, because you need space. Yeah, of course. You need to have. I remember thinking we're nuts. Yeah. And I'm the type of guy that, you know, if we got 10 hours to drive, let's get it done in nine hours.

Yeah. Let's just get there and then we can enjoy it. Sure. Mel has reshaped my brain on. No, the journey is the fun part. Yeah. So let's just, let's not make it miserable. Let's stop at an hour and a half and let the kids go play.

And so that's what we did on that trip. And I came away from it going, that was the funest part of my entire year. Yeah. Going slow and being with my family and enjoying it. Yeah. You know, sure there were long days and I needed a break, Mel needed a break, kids needed a break, everybody needed a break. But I looked back on it and it was because of that, we started doing it again. And then we took 24 days two years ago when Trump was shot.

And along that road trip, I said to Mel, you know, we could do this longer if you wanted to. My job will allow it. Your job won't. And so we started laying the foundation for leaving, unbeknownst to me that we're going to have a reference. referendum and, you know, Carney was getting it in. Like, none of that was being talked about back then. And I prayed about it a lot. Like, maybe I'm supposed to stay. And instead of that, every domino that was in my way or was sitting there just continues to fall away. Which, I don't know about you, but like, I sit there and I pray about it because I'm like,

well, maybe I should stay. Yeah. And then every domino just leads you further, you know, this is happening. I mean, it's happening, folks. There you go. And I don't know. You ever have moments in your life where you're being led away which you just don't fully understand. It doesn't make logical sense. That's most of life. Yeah.

I would agree. Yes, absolutely. You know, I didn't think my life would be like this five, ten years ago. I mean, you know, I had a different vision. I'm realizing now that my vision was inferior compared to what it is now. I'm sure Moses thought the exact same thing as you when he was banished from Egypt. and had to shepherd sheep for 40 years. I'm sure Joseph thought the same thing

when his brother sold him into slavery, and then Potiphar's wife accused him of assault, and he was thrown into a dungeon. And I'm sure that David thought the same thing when he had to run from Saul for 10 years. I'm sure Paul thought the same thing when he had to train and sit. Not sit.

He was working still, but be persecuted in Tarsus before his missionary journeys began. There's even a record of Paul saying, I went to go to Rome, but I couldn't. I was held back. He says, I tried to go and I couldn't, so I had to go somewhere else. You know, the scripture is full of that. Of, I have an idea that I think is the right idea. Oh, wouldn't you know it? The idea is not feasible now, or something is blocking me from achieving that idea. So let's do something else. And then you do something else, and then who knows what will happen tomorrow. So yes, I would say it's not only, and that's not,

what you're describing isn't even an outlier. That's just the norm of, you know, a Christian's life. to be totally honest. Have one plan, something else is, Almighty says, no, you're going to do this instead. And it's better. And the consequences are excellent. I know the number one suggested guests for the thousandth episode was Mel. And I joke that Joe Rogan was more possible than Mel.

And on the trip, I hope to, even if it's just for personal sake, to have us do a conversation or two. Yeah. different times, maybe a month in or maybe once a month, just so that we have a documentation of that trip, but she has ideas from you here from now, and I just laugh at her.

I'm like, I don't know. I mean, what happens two weeks in? You just have no idea the possibilities that lay before you. You just got to, you know, keep your eyes open and see what comes your way, right? Because I'm like, I don't know, a year from now. Yeah.

I think I know. but who knows God knows that's right the Lord knows yeah no that sounds like the ecclesiastes you sound like a true blue wise man of scripture

oh yeah wise man that's true every time I think every time I think I'm getting just a touch more wise I get humbled and I'm like that's a wise thing to admit

it was Michelle I was telling you this that I was stressed out this is two weeks ago now I've said this story I think twice now on the podcast but two weeks ago I was stressed I probably looked like I've been hit

by a try I was just stressed. House wasn't rented. I was waiting on Zane and Brian to bring the vehicle. So that was a big, you know, I'm like, oh, like I just, you know, all these different things. We had a bunch of things going on with the house trying to get it ready and unpacked and kids sports and everything just felt like it was chaos, if you would. And I went in there and I normally, folks, you know, you run into me.

I feel like I'm a pretty happy-go-lucky guy. I'm pretty excited to see people. I always say I'm always whistling, whistling, sweet Dixie, oh, I'm a pretty tripper. That day I was not, and I remember it. And I sat down, and she's like, how are things going? And I probably vented for two minutes. And she looked at me, she said, I got the answer. And I looked up and I'm like, really, what is it?

Expecting, I don't know. Oh, here's a renter for you. That's what I was expecting. Yeah. And she goes, well, you already know the answer, too. Just got to put it up to God. I'm like, why did I forget that? It's true.

That's a good answer. So now when I'm stressed at her, I just start praying about it. I'm like, I got no control over it anyways. It's true. You don't in that sense. Great. Pray when you're stressed. And then the real, you know what the true test of a man who is saturated in prayers

is whether he prays when he's happy. Everybody prays in their stressed. Everyone prays, not everyone, but you know, there's no atheist in a foxhole. You know the old saying. Everyone's driven to their knees when they're struggling. I'll pray to you. but what about when you're glad? I don't know. I was praying this morning.

That's good. That's solid. When life is full, you know, that's when most people don't pray. What do I need prayer for? You know, my life is good. I'm wealthy. To be thankful? Yeah, you're right. Yes, you, of course you're right. Yeah. I mean, the answer is pretty blatantly obvious. It is pretty obvious. Thanks for giving me another day on this globe. Uh-huh.

You know, another day in the adventure. You're right. And thank you for all the health. the health of my children, the health of my wife, the health of my marriage. Yeah, but truth be told, a lot, most people miss it. They miss that in the, you know,

when the times are ticking along. Well, I don't mean to sit here and say I'm perfect. No, no, from perfect. But that's good. I mean, I've just told you the story two weeks ago. I'm like, everything's good. Yeah. We're getting closer, but I'm stressed.

Sure. I had to, man, I'll see if I can find it here. Oh, this is going to take me. Here is a good thought, though. is what you were you were laughing at me so to the answer uh somebody had text me forgive me uh make sure or if you haven't got journals you should have journal all the kids got journals solid i got a new journal yep here i'll give you i know i was gonna i was gonna bring that up but plan plans for world

domination i went into uh i think it was coals in the mall and i was just looking for uh you know i'm just looking for i was going to go on amazon or something i don't know where do you get a journal from these days yeah and went in and the first one i saw was plans for world domination and i'm like That's the one. I was a big pinky in the brain fan back in the day. Pinky in the brain. Anyways. I'm going to start calling you King Cyrus.

What are we doing today? Try to take over the world. This is the quote I was writing in the inside of it. I wrote in Ephesians. Okay. Good book. Six, 11, 12. That's my favorite.

By far out of the Bible. That one rings very true. And then I wrote, The Future You is counting on the current, you to not give up. Based on Ephesians 6, 11, and 12? No, no, no. Two different things.

Sorry, two different things, but written at the same time when you were walking in, saying, are you journaling? Yeah, I see. I was getting my book ready for Monday. I see. Yeah, Paul says, when you go to Corinthians and actually other places, Paul talks about how he wants to, we know the verse run the race, work really hard, you know, make sure that he doesn't fail in his duty.

And truth be told us because there are rewards waiting for him in heaven. when he, should he complete his task to the degree that it's supposed to be completed? So in that sense, yeah, the, the tanner of the future, the one that will be glorified by grace, would be very pleased if the tanner today worked very hard to ensure that the task which God has given me is accomplished. Yep. I probably don't go nearest philosophical as you just went. No, but it's just... So Christians are saved by grace through faith.

Ephesians 2, right? That's all. You believe, so you're saved, great. But there are... Not but, it isn't... Not kind of. There are ruling rewards that come as a consequence of the actions

that you have completed in this world. So I don't mean to say that Christians are saved by works. No, they're not. The scripture is very clear about that. But God does give to each person what is due to them. So those that have completed the work which God has set aside for them, Ephesians, what is that, 2, 9 and 10, 8 to 10, will receive various rewards in heaven

and those that refuse to accomplish the tasks which God has given them, even though they're yet saved by grace through faith, will not receive those rewards. And I would prefer to have rewards. Nothing selfish about that. Nothing wrong with that. Paul says the same thing. Well, doesn't Jesus have a parable that's roughly similar where he gives out the,

or the parable talks about giving out gold to? Yes, the talents. The talents. Yeah, that's right, yes. Because he gives him out and the final guy just buries it because he doesn't want to lose it. Yeah. It's a waste. It's a waste. It's a total waste.

And Christ is, and so, too. You know, you and I have the gospel and you and I are saved, and we have this message of salvation from sin and eternal. life and if we bury that and do nothing, wow. Like, you know, can you, couldn't fathom it. How could we? So go forth. There's a great commission, Matthew 28, make disciples of all the nations, baptize them, Father, Son, Holy Spirit, and Christ is with you even to the end of the age. That's for you and for me. I'm going to ask you a question I just asked Seth. Sure.

He called me, and I've been pondering this for a bit because at Cornerstone, a lady had asked me to share my testimony. And I was like, oh, and then she's like, you're kind of like, not sheepish, what was it, coy? Yeah, sure. One of the words, yeah. And I was like, oh, I don't, I guess I don't mean to be. I just, it's a personal story. It is.

You know, so I shared it. And I asked Seth this one, I'll ask you. Yeah. Is it a sin not to share your testimony? Well, no, there's no command. Is it like the towns, right? Oh, I see. Just bury it?

No, there's no, like, there's no command in a new testimony. testament that says thou must share thy testimony. That's true. But every Christian would be wise to have a testimony ready. And by that I mean a testimony is just here's who I was before, here's what happened to me, I believed in Christ, and here's who I am now. That's a testimony. You know, it's here's who I was before. Here's what happened to me. Here's who I am now. And the reason that it's wise for every Christian to have a testimony and to actually preach that testimony is because I think it to be one of the most, and I think scripture agrees, I guess more accurately, I would agree with scripture. It's one of the most effective means of communicating the gospel, which we are commanded to

go forth and spread. When you read Paul in the Acts, or for that matter in his epistles, when he argues for Christianity and for Christ, he doesn't pull out these philosophical discusses. He doesn't really reference the ontological argument or, you know, the moral argument. He does use them for sure, but it isn't his main argument. When he's before Festus and when he's before Felix and Agrippa, his argument is his testimony. He says, here's who I was. Here's what happened to me. Here's who I am now.

That is Paul's heavy canon when it comes to proclaiming the gospel. And that's true in Corinthians. You go to 1st Corinthians 15. Paul goes, here's what happened. Christ appeared to me too. Here's what we've done. And here's what we're doing, resurrection and all that. So the reason every Christian then ought to have a testimony prepared,

it's a good practice to write it out, is so that you can share the gospel very effectively. You go to court. They all look for eyewitness testimony. When it comes to people on trial and when it comes to the defense and the prosecutors, you know, they're interviewing witnesses. Why? Because they are witnesses. They have testimony. So you and I too also have testimony. Who was I before? Here I was. Here's what happened to me. I believed. And here's what happens now. You know this. And I think most the audience knows it. I'm a fan of Saul. I mean, Paul. Yeah. Because his story allows me to be okay with what I witnessed.

Yeah. Oh yeah, totally. So we're done like for that. We've got three lessons done now. We'll do. the fourth one on Thursday. I've sent two to Jack. Oh, for people who don't know, Jack has an idea of putting some... Maybe was it supposed to be secret? No, no, no. It was...

Now it's not. I don't think it's a secret. We've been working on it. He wants to, to, like, collaborate. Yeah. With some of the guests of the podcast to work on some things for substack. Yeah.

And then put them behind the paid wall. So they, you know, you got to, pay to have access. But one of the things, well, the first person I approached was you because I'm like, well, I think Tanner would be a great idea? And then you're like, well, who would you want me to do it on? I was simple. My favorite's Paul.

Yeah. You're like, perfect. I got that. So we're working on a couple things to have a little bit of a, what would you call it? I look like a lecture series. A lecture series on Substack on Paul. On Paul's life. So I've done what it's been completed.

The early life of Paul or Saul. You can actually call them either name. And for the folks listening, I've never seen this and I'm excited. Oh, well, I shouldn't say too much, but just enough. Early life of Paul, what would it have been like for him growing up? And where is he born? Why does he go to Jerusalem? What was it like to study under Gamalai Eel?

And all of that. The second lesson was on his conversion, which is fantastic. And the third lesson was on his wilderness. Even Paul has a wilderness that most people don't know about. It's a long one, 13-ish years. Yeah. After he gets his commission to go and preach, he has about a 13-year... Think about that.

I know. So he stays in... After he gets his commission, and he goes, he stays in Damascus and Arabia, which is like not... It would have been the Nabatian kingdom, so it isn't Saudi Arabia today. It's more like Petra, Jordan, all that jazz. He would have stayed in that region for about three years. And then he goes to Jerusalem for 15 days. That's all.

And he's chased out of there. And then he goes to Tarsus, his hometown in Kalikia. for 10 years. And believe it or not, all of the persecutions that Paul, not all, but almost all of the persecutions that Paul records in 2nd Corinthians probably happened in Tarsus in that wilderness period. So it wasn't like he was silent during that time. He just wasn't engaged in his worldwide missionary journeys that we come to associate Paul with Paul or Saul with. Yeah. Yeah. It's been a fascinating study. Well, I'm excited for it. Because I can sit here and say, then when I threw it out of your excitement on, I'm like, oh, this is getting me interesting.

Oh, yeah. Tap into Tanner. Oh, it's been great. And then you're like, well, we'll probably do this and this and this. I'm like, he's my favorite person in the entire Bible that I've read. He's a lot of guys' favorites. His story is, well, it's just. It's captivating.

Yeah. You know, Paul's story is so, it's so, well, captivating is a word. It's so captivating because, you know, suppose that. you had a man who hated you fomently. Like he just, like, he hated you with every fiber of his being. And he went out to actively murder your followers and your community. You know, here he is

armed with all of these legal badges and this legal papers and, and, you know, practical government authority, the Sanhedron. And this person goes forth and he like systematically executes and persecutes. As many of your followers as, possible. And then one day out of nowhere, he shows up and he goes, yeah, I follow Sean now. Sean's actually legit. He's true. Well, that sounds weird. It sounds weird. I follow Jesus.

Yeah. So the point is, Paul's conversion is so shocking and his story is so shocking because he is the last person that you would expect to follow Christ. There must have, like whatever happened, you know, we know the story of the Damascus Road, but whatever, had to have been so, it had to have been so evident, so obvious, so undeniable that Paul had no chance. You know, we know the story of the Damascus. choice really, but to recognize the gravity of his errors. So he's a great proof, in my opinion, of the legitimacy of Christianity. You would, like, you know, Peter and John, yeah, sure, you know, they already believed in Messianic Judaism, Christianity at the start. But Paul was the complete opposite. He was like, the Pharisee. Here's the guy who actively went out to say,

those who follow Jesus are completely destroying Israel, the temple system, Judaism, as it's supposed to be phariseic Judaism, we have to eliminate them. And then out of nowhere, one day he shows up at your synagogue and he goes, Christ is the Messiah. What? So it's such a shocking transformation, you know, that defies all of our logical explanation that when Paul was on the road to Damascus, he really must have seen the risen Christ. Well, I don't know. I think I've said it on the podcast before, but I wrestled with, in my opinion, and I was thinking about real. What is it real? Ah, sure.

You know? Like, philosopher, yeah. Well, think about it. Can you see stress? Yeah. And yet does stress work on your body in your mind? Yeah. Absolutely.

Yeah. So on the streets of Ottawa, I ran in Jesus twice. Yeah. To the point where I was like, I'm going crazy. Sure. Yeah. And full stop. I was crazy.

but that doesn't make it any less real. Sure. And reading Saul's story over and over and over again, because I've read it a lot, because I've searched for, I don't know, like maybe I didn't, maybe I did, whatever. That story has allowed me to come to terms with I did, and therefore I can just move on and it was real. And, you know, people can think you're nuts or not.

It doesn't really matter to me because it's real to me. It's, you know, as real as somebody who's stress, about how they're going to find the next couple bucks to put food on the table or whatever position you're in. Is that real or not? To the outside, they can't see it. They can understand it once you explain it, but the stress, they don't feel that, but it is real.

Yeah. And Paul's story just hits home, like big time. Yeah. You know? Yeah. It is shocking. Only he, and the kicker is on that road, only he sees Christ. Everyone sees the light, and they're all blinded by it.

blind it, but they're all knocked to the ground by it. But only Paul hears the voice, or at the very least, only Paul understands the voice, and only Paul sees the risen Christ, because that commission is for him and him alone. And then he would have seen Christ again and again as he was in the wilderness, learning, you know, being disciples, being taught by Jesus himself. This is what gives Paul the right to be called an apostle. So the reason that I can't be called an apostle, or pastor so-and-so can't be called an apostle or other Christian here can't be called an apostle is because we haven't physically seen and been taught by the resurrected Christ. So do you think I'm nuts for saying I've seen it that? No. No. I don't. No, no, no, I know you don't. No, no, I know that. Anything like

that. No, no, no, no. No, that isn't the, no, that isn't the, no, that isn't the point. No, the point was just to distinguish the old apostles like Paul, Peter, James, John, etc., versus, versus, you know, those who you read about in the African countries and in the Muslim countries that are being persecuted so heavily that have visions of of Christ. You know, like I haven't had one, but I don't think I'd be wise to discount or to immediately say, no, that guaranteed is not happening over there. That isn't, that's not my prerogative or my, I don't think that'd be wise to do. You know, I've heard not, someone should verify this, but I've heard that those things

happen so often in the Muslim countries that there are signs up there that say, have you seen a man in white, or something like that? I'd be curious to know if that what I heard was true or not. But it wouldn't surprise me. I don't know. You know, like it's, yeah, Christ reveals himself so that no one has an excuse when it comes to judgment. So no, I wouldn't call you crazy. No, especially, you know, you believe the scripture.

You believe Jesus. By definition, that is not crazy. You know, progresses will say it is, but they're wrong. But they're wrong. Yeah. Yeah. I think that is the, you know, the whole, the enlightenment movement was to, we're enlightened, so we're going to throw off the shackles of religion.

Actually, that leads you into darkness. You throw off Christianity. I had, I was saying that somebody had sent me something via email. It was Dexter. And he said, just something, what did he say? Enjoy your trip. I thought you might enjoy this. And it's an image.

and on one side's God and on the other side's Satan. And it's God's voice, sorry, God's voice, Satan's voice, but it's a picture of, to me an angel, and the other side is definitely a devil. And God's voice stills you, leads you, reassures you, enlightens you, encourages you,

comforts you, calms you, convicts you. And then Satan's voice rushes you, pushes you, and frightens you, confuses you, discourages you, worries you, obsesses you, condemns you. Sure. Yeah. And two weeks ago, it was definitely safe.

Sure, sure. He'll use, you know, screw tape letters. I don't know that's doctrine, but that. No, no, no. But it illuminates the. If you haven't read screw tape letters, be careful. Yeah. It was, maybe people think I'm nuts for saying.

I read it and I'm like, first chapter, like, I don't know if I can do this. Because that was a couple, three years ago, maybe more that I read that book. It hit a little close to home. Yeah, well, it's a little close to home. Yeah. Well, it's such a brilliant satire. You know, it's such a brilliant satire. That's what I would say.

We just, our study, we just finished teaching on Jonah. Oh, yeah. And I think Jonah's historical. I'm convinced of that. But it's also, but it's written in a satirical way. It's so brilliant. You've read Jonah. You know the story.

Well, yeah, I know the story. Yeah. Like, have I read it in the last few years? It's a good one to read. You and I know it as a story about a guy who gets swallowed by a big fish. Yes. It's not, but it really isn't that. Jonah has a commission from God to go and preach the gospel.

Well, by gospel I mean good news. That's all it means. It's just good news. It doesn't mean of Jesus Christ necessarily, right? He hasn't come yet in Jonah's day. So just go and preach this news, Jonah, to Nineveh, which is, I don't, it's not the capital of the Assyrian Empire at that time, but it is a great city. It's massive.

It's a huge city in the Assyrian Empire, right? And you and I know how wicked the Assyrians were. We actually don't. but, you know, they would mutilate people and they would build mountains of babies that they had slaughtered, and they would impale people on Poles as a sign, as a warning to any nation that would dare resist their conquest. You know, they were just a reprehensible empire. So God tells Jonah, who's in Israel, to go forth and go to Nineveh and preach this word. And Jonah says, no, I'm not going to do it.

And he's not going to do it because in Jonah four, too, he says, I know that if I do it and if the Ninevites listen, you, God, are going to be merciful and you're going to be kind and you're going to be long suffering and you will relent from sending the judgment that you and I both know they deserve. So Jonah runs. He goes to Tarshish or tries to. While on the way there God says,

you're not doing that. Jonah gets thrown overboard, right? I'm paraphrasing. Fish swallows him up just as he's about to drown. Right? We think that Jonah gets swallowed up on the surface? No, no, he drowns. He goes right to the bottom of the ocean.

or close to it. It wasn't that deep where they were. And just as he's about to give out, the fish comes and saves him. God saves him through the fish. Spits Jonah back out after Jonah utters this beautiful psalm of Thanksgiving in chapter 2. God gives the commission to Jonah again. Jonah this time obeys, goes to Nineveh, has the greatest response to an evangelistic campaign in history, a hundred and twenty thousand plus believe in like the span of a few days. sort of thing. And at the end of his campaign, when every prophet and pastor and preacher should

be overjoyed with the response, Jonah is furious. Because he goes, this is why I didn't do it, God. It's because you have relented now from sending calamity. And the Assyrians, Nineveh deserves judgment. I am so sick and tired of you not punishing nations that deserve to be punished. And so Jonah builds himself this pathetic little structure outside the city, this little, actually It's like a tabernacle, a little, I think it's called a suck-off. And he's sitting there waiting for Nineveh to maybe be judged. This is where it gets interesting. As he's sitting there in his squalor, God asks him, are you really angry?

You seriously angry about me showing mercy to this people? And Jonah says, yeah, I am. That's why I'm sitting here. So God says, fine, I'll teach you a lesson. I'll teach you a lesson to try and alleviate you of your anger, because this is ridiculous. God gives Jonah, creates for Jonah, plants for Jonah, this plant grows up over him and it provides shade under the hot Assyrian sun. Jonah is very glad it says. He's exceedingly happy about the plant.

He's so excited. Wow. Awesome. In the night, a worm comes, chews up the plant. And the plant is destroyed. It's withers. It's been completely wiped out. And on top of that, not only is Jonah now have no shade, but God sends an east wind,

just like a convection oven to just bake him in the sun. So Jonah is suffering. He goes, please, Lord, let me die. This sucks. I hate it here. And he's just, you know, he's having this basically breakdown. And in response, God says, are you really that angry? Are you seriously angry about the plant?

And Jonah says, yeah, I'm angry about the plant. I had it, and I lost it. And God goes great. here's the lesson you were angry about losing a plant that you didn't plant you didn't nurture you didn't water you didn't nourish you didn't do any of those things too it wasn't even your plant

just grew up overnight and you were furious about losing it so then God goes I'll grant you that fair enough but then why are you so mad at me for wanting not to lose 120,000 souls who are mine whom I made you know who I nourished who I created

whom I love, who are made in my image, et cetera, et cetera, if I grant that you're so angry about losing the plant, which isn't yours, I don't even rebuke you for being angry about that. Why are you, Jonah, angry at me for making sure that I don't lose 120,000 souls, so much greater than the plant? And we never get Jonah's answer. God says, should I not be, should I not care for these people? No answer.

And the reason why is because it's a satire. So a satire is, thanks for let me ramble, a satire is a piece of literature that hopes to initiate moral, ethical, personal, political, et cetera, reform. It wants to initiate reform. And the way that it does that is by taking a character and using irony, absurdity, humor, you know,

what else, exaggerated language, you know, hyperbole, to try and demonstrate to you the ridiculousness of said character. This character is totally absurd. And at the end of it, you're supposed to say that character's me. After you go through the work and you go,

this character's an idiot, this character's doing wrong, this character is so ridiculous. Wow, what a fool. At the end you go, wait a second. Well, I was going to say, in the middle of it, when you're talking about him,

doesn't get swallowed up on the surface at his lowest point where he's dead. Yeah. Or he's close to it. He's right there. And God comes in and scoops him up. Yeah. Like, isn't that, how many people turn back to God when they're at there? This goes back to what you're saying.

There's the satire. Yeah. There's the, so it's you. At the lowest point, he pulls you from it. Yeah. And he go, why was he there? Because you ran away from what you were called to do. Oh, my God.

Oh, you're joking. And I'm Jonah. And then... Everyone's Jonah. And then you go, I've been saved. And then what do you do? You maybe serve God for a bit. And then you go, I'm done now.

Back to my old ways. Chapter 4 of Jonah. Well, I hope I don't get to that. You hope not. You're right. I hope I don't get to chapter. You're right. I don't plan on doing that.

You're right. You're right. But then God would say, all right. Fair enough. But if true, are you preaching the gospel now? Yeah. Because Jonah's upset about preaching it. people heard. Like, you know, you have to realize, like, this is, like, what you're supposed to say is

you and I go, okay, so take Stalin. So he kills 100 plus million people. We don't even know how many. It's just shocking. And our initial response to his death is great. I hope the guy rots. I hope he burns in hell forever, right? And that's true for a lot of dictators around the world. So you're telling me I got to go preach the gospel of Justin Trudeau. So you're, so I'm telling you that should God not also care for Trudeau and should you not also earnestly desire his salvation. When we were on the road to Ottawa, there was a lot of after Trudeau flags. And I remember that sentiment being there for like 24 hours. And then it changed for most people.

Not everybody, but most people, I remember even while in Ottawa, trying to convince people that we should just take them down. Because it actually gave us a bad image. Like actually all we wanted was for him to. just relent and just chat yeah chat have a negotiation treat people like human beings yeah that's that's what we wanted yeah i think at the core of it yeah um and that's a that's a hard thing to swallow because you go yeah i want justice everybody wants justice not for me but for everybody else so the sentiment is yeah i want trudeau to get what that get what's coming to that guy one you know i hope that

That's what people say is. The sentiment is I hope he gets what he deserves. And Jonah hoped that the Assyrians would get what they deserve. You know, it's not what I hope? No, but, you know, you do want justice. I want justice. Fair. For sure.

Actually, I just. But then God goes to Jonah. You didn't get what you deserved. I saved you. So why should I not work to save them too? And, you know, that's just our, that's just our nature. It's just to go salvation for me, but not for the. so you want to try and

Jonah tries to say wait we have to reform that line of thinking not saying we let justice go right God is still a god of justice true but but rather than maybe rather than let's burn everyone who's a heretic at the stake right now it's you know let's go proclaim the message and when they do believe let's rejoice yeah I think that would solve a lot of uh that would solve a lot of issues shoes. It's easier said than done, I know, but that's the purpose of Jonah is for us to see that we like to tease them and say, what a bad prophet, but it's a satire. Historical, but satire, so that you can say I'm the prophet. I'm going to pull us back from, I'm like, this is what I

love talking about. Yeah, this is fun. Yeah. My phone just beeped, and it's a few comments on X. Oh, yeah. Jason Lofine had said, Godspeed, my friend. I just put a post out saying, We're like I'm having Tanner in studio. Yeah. If there's any things people are curious about with the trip, shoot me a thing. So that's one comment. Aaron Woodland commented all the unplanned and informal education

and experience your kids will receive different cultures, geography, forests, etc. I guess this isn't a before question, but I look forward to hearing as you go. Yeah. I think there's a, I had one person say, we're living vicariously through. Ah, yeah. I'm like, oh, that's a new word, big word. and exciting thing. Yeah.

Well, another question I get asked an awful lot, Tanner, is if I'm going to record while I go. I'm going to, the only way we get to do this. Yeah, it's if the show keeps going. If the show keeps going. And we'll see how that goes. There's going to be some stresses there, I'm sure. But I go back to what Dexter had sent me.

I'm like, anytime I'm stressed, just going to pray about it. Because there's no reason getting wound up about something that's so solvable. You know? Kevin Damon said, are there circumstances that you would consider cutting the trip short for?

Oh. Well, I think the most obvious one is, and I will pray this never happens, but a death in the family would be, would bring us back awfully quick. I would say running out of money, but I think we've done a good enough job,

to this point where I know how detail-oriented it is with finances on our end where we're going to be monitoring it so where all of a sudden you're you know well we're spending too much money we can dial that in that's what I hope

on that end but if I was going to say a circumstance it's like I hope well pray that none of this comes to pass when we're gone but you think of a loved one getting extremely sick or something like that I would think that would bring back? I don't know.

What would bring you back from a... God's call? Sure. Sure. And like, of course, love on getting sick, yeah, but God's call. Yeah, but it's God's call leading me out. Sure, it might be for now. It might change tomorrow. Go to 2nd Corinthians. So in 1st Corinthians, Paul says, I'm coming to you. It's actually kind of a funny ending because he's like, you've been so bad.

He says, I'm coming to you, and I better not come with a rod. Because he goes, I expect you to be, I expect you to be ship-shaped when I show up. and if you're not, we're going to have a problem. And in 2 Corinthians, Paul has to go, I'm sorry for not coming. So things change. Fair. Yeah.

Even though he has, you know, and like, yeah, I go back to that, the example of Rome. Paul says, I'm going. And each time he was diverted. So he has to wait until the time is right. So who knows? That's a great answer. Yeah, that's a good old-fashioned.

I'm not going to tell you answer because I don't know. But yeah, the Lord will show. Con and Peace says, I'm toyed with recommending the head of a group in Philadelphia to do for you to, oh, to you for interviewing. So once we know your approximate route, are you still open to interviewing suggestions? The medical group I know would be happy to raise awareness. Other fellow podcasters, harder to say. The answer to that is I'm definitely open to people, suggesting people. That is how this podcast is growing in the general sense.

is the audience has, you know, they have their lofty goals of just Joe Rogan. Yeah. They also have had a ton of people I would have never thought of and interesting stories, you know, like, that I would have never stumbled into if it wasn't for the audience, a community that surrounds us. So yes, I'm interested in that. Yes, we're coming through Philadelphia, Conan. And, yeah. And I am definitely open to people suggesting. And I guess for places we're going to be relative timelines,

It was actually Catherine Austin Fitz's team that asked for our general time frame and I'll put that on substack before we leave so people have a general sense of where we're going to be. I had another person reach out in Elbow, Saskatchewan.

No way. Asking if we're going to come through Elbow and I'm like, well the closest we get roughly is Regina Beach, James Sinclair's campground. And he's like, oh, I don't want to be a third wheel. And I'm like, no, you could glad. gladly come join us there. Jamie's going to be pumped.

Yeah. And one of my goals, I was talking with Mel about it last night, is like I want to, I want to interact with the audience. I want to, you know, I want to get to run into a few of the different people in Alberta, Saskatchewan, and I feel like I've ran into a lot. Even in Manitoba, I've ran into a bunch. Sure. But the further you go east, like, we'll love nothing more than run into people.

That'd be cool. If we're hopefully close enough, right? Yeah, absolutely. Oh, it's going to be exciting. I think, yeah. It'll be great. We'll see what the Lord does with it. Very excited to see how that works out, how he'll use it. Because he will, always does.

What does that mean? I don't know. Nobody knows. Nobody knows. He knows, but that's right. Nobody knows. Sometimes you wished you knew, but. I was listening to, with Drew Weatherhead, I brought up an interview I'd done with the photographer of this picture. Yeah. And then Seth reached out. He's like, you should release that episode. So, Seth, I'm halfway through it.

And it's funny, I recorded it four years ago, roughly. And at that time, I'm definitely not a believer. You can tell I'm wrestling with it. I'm almost annoyed with myself. I'm like, but that's where I was at, right? And it's funny, I listened to it because I never released it, Tanner. I did it for myself. I have this project that I've loosely called the Ark Project.

for my time of staying in the Ark Hotel. And I've recorded a handful of some short, some a little longer, on discussions around the oddities that were happening in Ottawa at that time. Anyways, I interviewed Luciano about this. And I'm like, halfway through it, I'm like, man, this isn't as bad as I thought it was. So, substack listeners, you might be getting something on there sooner than later. I got to finish it first. But I thought, I'm just like, I don't even know if anyone will care about this interview now.

Yeah. But looking back on myself trying to wrestle with different things because it was recorded beginning in 2023. Sure. So less than a year after Ottawa. Yeah. It was difficult for multiple reasons to listen to. But you go like, you come back to like, oh, be interesting to see what God does with the trip. Yeah, it is.

Wow. Yeah. I don't know where I'll be at the end of it. homeschooling. Sure. Yeah. That'll be a new one. I should have had it here.

I've got cordless road mics. Oh, yeah. Yeah. But I bought the slides so they can go on the end of just like a mic so I can just hold it up. And I've got two of them right now. Sweet. So I thought about doing it with you today so that we could test it out. My goal for equipment is as compact as almost humanly possible.

And so we're going to hold mics instead of having like. these. Sweet. And I'm going to record it off my phone for the first couple. And if it goes awful, I'll change trajectory very quick. Yeah. But I'm like, that's going to be a new development in the podcast world on my side, right? Like when you think about it, when this gets edited out, I talk, you see me.

When Tanner talks, you see him. You got arguably the best mics for a podcast. There might be a little better. I don't know. These are pretty darn good. You got a quiet studio. I'm like all the things. Yeah.

All that goes out the window here in four days. Yeah. That's going to be interesting. It will be. Another part of the adventure. And exciting. Yeah. Very exciting.

You're your, yeah, it's like late and said, start of a mission. Who knows? You know, Paul has three wild ones. Like probably, you know, and plus his wilderness years, but. Yeah, it seems like lots. of the greats. I don't want to say all the grades. Maybe all the greats have their wilderness years. Better believe it. Better believe it.

That's what was so interesting about that study we did with Paul last week. I still haven't sent it to Jack yet. But anyways, it's ready to go. Hey Jack, you got a study coming towards you. That's right. I need a bit more Gmail space. So I'm asking, actually, if Jack's listening, let me know if I can delete the ones I already sent to you. Because if I can, then I can clear up the space.

Anyways, yeah, they just, everyone go, even Jesus. So he's born? Well, first of all, his wilderness is earth. Because imagine coming from heaven, which is perfect, and you're in your father's presence. No sin, no mourning, no crying, no death, no pain, no, none of that. And then you come to the world. Well, if that isn't a wilderness, nothing is.

Comes to the world, he's born. We hear nothing of his life until he's 12. Then there's a very brief interjection about him teaching the religious leaders at the temple. And then we hear nothing of his life until he's 30. you know he he he suffered in a not suffered well he did but he also he endured an extensive wilderness Moses Paul um David all that they all have a wilderness it's good and the reason why as we say in the lesson is the same reason that when you are studying for an exam say you lock yourself in a room you don't go and study at a sports event because you can't concentrate and so when god has a commission

for you. It requires a very specialized set of knowledge, information, moral character, qualities, ethical abilities, or ethical characteristics. And those are learned in solitude, just as like studying for a math final is achieved in solitude. You go back into your room to study. The pastor goes to his retreat in order to prepare a sermon for Sunday so that when the task actually arrives, you're ready to do it and you can succeed in it. If you don't spend that time in solitude, you don't study properly. You don't study properly, you're not prepared. You're not prepared, you fail.

So too with these people who have these tasks. Paul is literally going to spread the gospel across the entire world. That's quite, and he's going to write most of the New Testament. That is quite the commission. So he doesn't just get thrown into it. Even though he's already studied, you know, the scriptures, the Hebrew scriptures for 15, 20, Yeah, 25-ish years at this point. He still has to go to Arabia, Damascus, and Tarsus for over a decade

because he needs to be that much more prepared. David, same thing. Joseph, same thing. Moses, same thing. So that, you know, it's easy to be discouraged in the wilderness, but when you read about those titans in scripture, it becomes more understandable. Here's one more question coming in.

Hit it. MKB's mom, okay, on substack says, this is Sue. I'm really glad Tanner is back on. Oh, well, that's sweet. Thank you, Sue. How is the best way to financially support you on your trip? We want to help, and when are you releasing your route in Ontario,

hoping you will stop and stay with us in Bruce Peninsula? Okay, I think the route this week, I'll have it out before we leave. Financially support, that's an interesting... If I had a goal, folks, I'm sure Tanner can relate to this. It would be to have money coming in as independently, as humanly possible, which is decentralized. And right now, the one way to financially support the podcast, which is on a recurring basis, is substack. And if I was going to say, you know, like, can you e-transfer? Sure, you can.

certainly text me and I'm humbled that anybody would even believe in what I do enough to want to do that. If you want the Sean Newman podcast to be free from influence, the best way to do that is to decentralize it as best as humanly possible, and that has become a paid member on Substack so that it is coming in from as many individuals spread out so that nobody's tax, or, you know, like burdened by the weight of, I don't know, whatever the number is. That's probably the best way. I don't know. You've ran different things.

Would you agree with that? The same. Oh, yeah, the more decentralized, the better. Because if you have, you know, forgive me, Sue, if you just walked in with a million dollars and said, you know, in order to get the next million, this is what I want you to do. That's influence.

That is. It is. That's why Paul is. letter in Corinthians is so fascinating because he goes, I have every right to demand from you payment as an apostle, believe it or not, because he says, the law says, don't let the ox, don't muzzle the ox while he's treading grain. So Paul says, I'm working to build the church, and so are the other apostles, and so are the pastors within your midst. We are working to build up the body of Christ. We should be paid for this because it takes a lot of time and effort to do it.

And if we're not paid, well, we can't devote the energy in the time that's required to build the church to it. So we should, you know, we should be paid for our labor. Fair. But then Paul goes, so that I might not be accused by any of you. And so that I might be able to say that I am influenced by none, I make the money myself. I make tents on the side, have a side hustle. Actually, it's more of a full-time hustle, and I don't preach on the side, but I do both. because, like you said, Paul wants to be totally free of influence.

So he doesn't receive a million bucks from person X. Instead, he makes the money from private enterprise as best as possible. That way, no one can accuse him of being influenced or being persuaded by a particular group or the other. So in your case, yeah, or in my case, the more decentralized the income is, the better. Not that a million bucks would be bad, but then it is influence, you know. A million bucks is probably the poor, probably the wrong sum of money. Right? I'm like, I get a million bucks.

I know, that's a million bucks. But see, but there it is already. And you go, it's a lot of money. Yeah. That's the, so you see why so many politicians and stuff, it's easy to sell out. You know, I heard an argument once in university. I thought it was so wrong. The prof went, the reason we pay politicians so much is so that they won't be tempted by greed to take bribes.

I thought that was such nonsense. As if money's ever enough to stop you from being tempted from having more. Right? So again, it's not as though you can just pay your politicians a million bucks each and then they won't be bribed anymore. No, actually, they'll still be bribed and they'll still take the bribes. Anyway. Any final thoughts before I let you out of here? Or any final, not that you had questions, you were the sounding board.

Well, it was fun. Appreciate you coming in and doing it. Is there anything that's on your mind? Not really. We'll be praying for you. I'm excited to hear about the adventure. Well, one of the things is, you know, one of the ways I'm going to stay connected to Alberta best I can. The mashup's going to air live every Friday.

We've worked travel days around it. Sweet. We'll see how internet holds up. I got a Starlink, a mini, to be with the camper where we're camping. Yep. And so we'll see how that goes. Yeah. And only one way to find out.

Only one way to find out. And so every Friday, you know, as many as I can, mashup will be there. And hopefully I'll be able to do everything I normally do. My goal is to have a new episode four days a week. So the show continues on as it always has. Sweet. You know, in the, not in the office. chance I think getting the strong possibility that I'm traveling or something we're

gonna we're gonna do what we normally do in July where we release something well you get to where you're going man you know one of the goals is to get to El Salvador mm-hmm I've watched Bukeli mm-hmm I think it as a fascinating place yeah I wonder if it's what it's built to be or if it's something different and I want it so bad you know one of the things Ottawa really Or going on the convoy where I got to interview just everyday people. Yeah. And just here, why are you here?

Yeah. And the stories that came out of that were larger than life, to be honest. I hope to find some of that again when I'm on the road. I'm sure you will. I also hope to find somebody who absolutely hates Alberta just so I can hear their thoughts on why they, why they think that way. Would be a curious conversation, wouldn't it? Yeah, it would be. Yeah, it would be.

we'll see we'll see what gets put in my path yeah either way folks uh i just you know like i wanted to have hopefully i answered enough of it uh Tanner bringing up the story of paul in my is is like music to my ears uh if you never read that you really should go that that's uh open it up open up the good book and and read that's a fantastic why i've read it it's probably one of the stories i've read it well, it's the story I've read the most out of any of them. Sure. But I appreciate you being in here and adding some, I was about to say filler.

I was probably the filler. You're the meat and potatoes. But I hope I answered enough questions on what's coming up, because I mean like four days away, it's coming awfully quick. It's quick. I know we're going to miss you, but we're excited. Yeah, but, you know, what is the movie? It's not goodbye

I'll see you soon That is John Q Is that what it is? It's not goodbye, I'll see you soon There you go Alberta, it's not goodbye, I'll see you soon Because I firmly plan on being back At the new studio in a year's time

And, you know When I was Setting this in motion You just I don't mean to sound too Probably cocky is the word that comes in mind I just want to be something that Alberta has never seen or hasn't seen for a very long time as a host. Yeah.

And so world experience is needed for that. Not to mention, you know, like I've wanted to go out and explore, but I wanted my family come with me. And I couldn't figure out how to do that. Yeah. This is the one way where I'm not pulling myself away from my family. They get to come along for the ride. And I think that's going to be, oh, there will be headaches and everything else. But there's a ton of excitement that, you know, them coming for the ride is going to be a lot of fun.

Absolutely. how exciting thanks again for for doing this Tanner and I look forward to sitting back in here in future times so do I so do I because it's been for those you don't know this Tanner lives right across the street for me how wild is that how wild and I had no idea you lived there when we moved in a yeah so like it's been it's been awesome to get to know you and pick your brain on a daily occurrence it seems like because it's it's been a great sounding board and I appreciate you stepping in and doing it today. And hopefully to all the listeners out there, I get to run into you along the road because the road is starting Sunday.

And first stop is Kyle Coza and his family, Ginger and the kids. And I'm looking forward to getting our families together. Like, you know, whatever. Usually it's just me, right? Yeah. The Newman Tornado is coming to a town near you very soon. Buckle up. Fubten down the hatches.

That's right. Thanks again, Tanx a bunch.