Shaun Newman Podcast - #1087 - Chuck Prodonick

Episode Date: July 6, 2026

Chuck Prodonick spent 20+ years in the Canadian military. He is a retired sergeant who served as a member of the Princess Patricia’s Canadian Light Infantry and served in 4 tours overseas. We discussed the new movie Citizen Vigilante on our first stop of the SNP Roadtrip. Cornerstone Forum 26’https://shaunnewmanpodcast.substack.com/Silver Gold Bull Links:Website: https://silvergoldbull.ca/Email: [e-mail] Grahame: [phone]Bow Valley Credit UnionBitcoin: www.bowvalleycu.com/en/personal/investing-wealth/bitcoin-gatewayEmail: [e-mail] Get your voice heard: Text Shaun 587-217-8500

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grab my phone number, shoot me a text, and let's get connected. All right. Now, let's get onto that tale of the tape. Today's guest spent 20 years in the Canadian military. He's a retired sergeant who served as a member of the Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry. I'm talking about Chuck Prodnick. So buckle up. Here we go.

Welcome to the Sean Newman podcast, Chuck Brodick. This is new. This is a new one for us. It is. How's Chuck doing? I'm doing pretty good. Am I getting sober today? You're not.

Oh. This will be the first time. So I'm in SGB, full disclosure. I'm at SGB this week and we got to work out something. As we all know, silver price just kept going up and up. Now it's starting to come back down. It's about 80-some bucks. So I'm hoping that along the road trip.

So one of the things that's changed, right, is once upon a time I was giving out a silver piece, let's call it close to 52 times a year. Yeah. I'm about to hopefully have 200 opportunities to do it. So, you know, there's some things to figure out there. Oh, for sure. So regardless, this is the first time I'm not paying you to do. That's okay.

Yeah, well. We'll put it on the tab. We'll put on. Okay, so a couple things I've got to make sure. Dan, Syke, and his wife, it'll come to me. Oh, that's terrible. It's terrible. Regardless, it's like right there, you know, and it's just like bubbling.

Anyways, it doesn't matter. Regardless, they had the Bison Farm. So on the road trip, we stopped the first in Wainer. I saw my aunt. Then we stopped at their Bison Farm. And I don't know. They showed us around. That was pretty cool for the kids.

I sent you the video. Yeah. And now we're at Cowell and Ginger Coz's house. So this is the first podcast from the road, as everybody can tell. A little different here with, I don't know, the handheld instead of... I'm trying this out. I'm trying to call this out. I don't know.

I figured I'd try it out. So you answered the bell. You're the first guy. People are going to wonder, I thought you were having some 90-year-old on. He couldn't make it. Okay? So then I did what I always do.

I'm like, I'm driving by truck. And I'd like to talk to Chuck because I just watched this movie, Citizen Vigilante, and I'm like, well, Chuck, what do you think of this movie? So it's hard to say if everybody would have heard of it or if you haven't heard of it. I'm sure you'll Google it after this.

Look for it. I think Elon Musk posted a free copy of it on Twitter. You can rent it for, like, I think I rented it for five bucks on time. I got it for free. What did you? Literally on X, it's just floating around there's a free copy. Yeah, Musk, as soon as a few countries said they were going to ban it, Musk said, I'll put it out for free then.

So I wouldn't have heard of it, except, of course, once things start to get labeled as being banned or about to be banned, it piques my interest or most people's interest. and sure enough, the actor is Army Hammer, who was kind of canceled in Hollywood for being a bit of a douche nozzle. And the director is a pretty well-known disturber,

but the movie itself, don't expect to watch it and think, well, this is going to be John Wick or something like that. this is a movie that's going to leave you kind of oh are we still going no we're still going absolutely it's a movie that's going to kind of

leave you with a lot of questions it from my own experience it left me with a lot of somebody gets it and what I mean by that is the general the whole gist of this movie

it's a vigilante a citizen vigilante as the title would imply well it's it's like the punisher so sorry folks the video just this is going to be the road trip we're gonna I don't know these kings the city the video just I'm like how does that even happen I'm like a night already but that's life so this movie is like the punisher yeah meets v for vendetta yeah yeah put in our time era with a little bit looser of a moral code I would say with, I would say without really a moral code, which I don't think they're trying to defend any. Well, he does make some argument about a moral code. But what I'm, if you haven't seen the movie, the jet, the whole gist of it is you could rip this movie headline from any headline you read a hundred times a day spread across Europe, Britain and Canada now of a rape gang.

doing something to a young woman, the justice system utterly failing her, and releasing these seven or eight people involved and saying that because they were new to the country, they didn't understand the cultural norms and it would be just, it would be a shame to lock them away, it would be too difficult on them and wouldn't be appropriate. And so off they went in to just live their lives again. meanwhile this girl is destroyed you know psychologically mentally physically destroyed and army hammer's character

I don't remember his movie name um he's he's a guy who's had enough he's just that guy if you've ever seen the movie falling down um with Kirk I think is Kirk Douglas in it where he basically has a bad day at the office and just snaps and spends his whole day just everybody that pisses him off he does them in and this has that kind of a vibe if you haven't if you've seen that movie a little bit of that

i've just had enough and army hammers character has had enough he's had enough that's putting it light he has he's had enough on the bus he's had enough on the street he's had enough in the park he's had enough um with the police being complicit he's had enough with the judicial system being complicit and he basically wages war against them um and he's does it in a fairly thought out deliberate manner. Why I think this movie is probably going to, is getting the backlash that it is and is probably being banned or will be banned in lots of places is because...

It hits too close to the mark. It is over the mark. What did I tell you on the phone? I sat there and I went, I don't know if I like this show or this show terrifies me a little bit of both because he has moments. where his monologues are so on point, but then he like murders everyone. I mean, just anyone he runs in.

Not anyone. He has a very strict idea, and if you get in that way, it's going out. I mean, I don't know. I research the track and I'm like, so I just watch this movie you watched it? Yeah, yeah. And I'm like, to me, the, it's weird.

It's like Hollywood should have made this film you know they could have done it with kid gloves probably five years ago this director is not known for kid gloves definitely not and hollywood's not known for talking about the actual the problem unless it's pushed through like you know 15 analogies to where you get to lord of the rings you know like where you're talking about something but you can't really connect it to what's going on this this addresses it head on head on like i mean in the first two minutes you're like i know exactly what's going on And, I mean, they don't leave any room for error. It's like, we have another murder.

This is what's going on. Army Hammer walks in and that's the end of it. You're like, oh, we're going to actually talk about the problems in this. Yeah. Which is why it's blowing up so much right now. Exactly, yeah. The question is, well, I don't know. The question is they're banning it all over the place, which makes it an, like,

it was Drew Weatherhead who just said on the podcast last week. It's like a snuff film because countries are banning it, and that only makes it more popular. Heck, it forced me to watch it because I was like, I don't think I would have even noticed it was there. It would have been like whatever, because I want to point out, this isn't like some Hollywood blockbuster

with like the greatest storyline and the greatest even acting and like the greatest special effects. It's not. It's a budget film that talks directly to the issues with it honestly close to an A list. actor and Army Hammer. Yeah.

Who's had his fall from grace for a whole bunch of reasons in Hollywood, right? Yeah. But like it's not a Hollywood movie. It doesn't have the pizzazz of a Hollywood movie. It just hits right to the point. And you're like left going, holy crap, I can't believe they're talking about it. Nobody talks about it. Yeah, you don't go into it thinking, well, I'm getting a John Wick type thing here.

It's, um, it is well done. It is done, uh, without obviously any support from Hollywood, which is why he was able to grab army hammer and i always liked army hammer as an actor i think he was a great he's got a great he's got a great presence and the voice and he honestly i couldn't think once now that he's done that role i can't think of somebody else i i would have been able to put into that role you know who could have been that um dystopian like he was he just was dystopian in the whole thing um and the reason one of the reasons there's many reasons why they want it no one to see it and one One is because of it being over the target with these, you know, the immigration-related rape happening across Europe and North American, basically everywhere.

You can rip that headline out of the mainstream news and off Twitter a hundred times a day. It's not like it's a one-of. That's why they're terrified of what this film could do. And, of course, I'm sitting here, I'm not condoning somebody. No one, nobody, nobody is. Nobody is. You think about it, I was saying it, Drew, once again, I keep coming back to that conversation. Because it's just like, well, what do people actually want?

They want the judicial system to do what its function is. Put bad guys away. And right now, bad guys are hurting people, and they probably always have. Put them away. Don't care what your background is, put them away. They want politicians to speak to the actual issues, not dance it up in all these social justice. I mean, you got Mark Carney, Merchant, in the Pride, parade.

And you're like, I mean, it doesn't surprise me. Frankly, I didn't go on Twitter for X. You know, I was saying before we, the lead up to coming here, was it going back to my brain. I'm like, oh, man, we lived at my parents for a week. Shout out to mom and dad for letting us stay. And it was awesome. But then I was singing the four days prior to that, we're nuts.

That's almost two weeks of hard as you can go. And I got here. And I'm like, huh. I just couldn't be on. X and watch all the stuff with the naked dudes and like, I don't care. I don't care. Toronto needs to figure it out. Mark Carney needs to figure it out that we just don't need a prime minister.

You don't have to go on full blast on them, but you just, you're absolutely condoning it all. And it's just ridiculous at this point. The question I get asked the most, by an exponential amount from random. people from people I know and just keep in contact with in my veteran group that I groups of people that I communicate with pretty regularly is how much worse does it have to get before we correct and the answer to that is we have to completely collapse I don't know what that looks like I don't know what the what the overall catalyst for that will be but we are not voting our way through this with with something else where it's just not going to correct that

way it will in my opinion all trends and patterns are leaning that way that every law being passed now is meant to keep us further under the heel every single one is meant to prevent you from doing what you're doing with me today um doing this kind of thing every new media style censorship law they put out there. Everything they're doing right now is to make this conversation not happen, let alone put that movie out. They don't even want us talking about the movie

that they don't want us to see. But this is exactly what happened in COVID. So what actually happened? And an underground network started, the underground network is already there. So when you ban a show, then it gets pushed into that realm and then it spreads like wildfire.

And this is, folks, if it wasn't for true, I wouldn't know nothing about it. But then I was like, oh, I should go back on X because I've been kind of vacated from there. I mean, we're still putting the show out and everything, but the last two weeks have been pretty, they've been moving it on steroids, you know? And what happened is I watched it and then I'm like, holy crap. Like, we've had so many chats about how close are we to things going spicy. And here in Canada, I just don't, see things getting, well, I don't know. With independent, like the referendum in October,

you know, they're allowing the count now. Can't do anything with the count. But, you know, somebody said, well, you're getting your referendum anyways. And I'm like, well, you're getting a referendum on a referendum. So I guess, I don't know, you have the entire country establishment campaigning against it. Mm-hmm. You know, and I don't know, I can't see past October 19th.

Like to me, it's like, that's going to be wild up to that point. But, I mean, you look at other countries. I mean, look at Ireland. Mm-hmm. Look at Ireland, the UK and general, France. There's a lot of European countries pushing back hard right now. James O'Neill, the guy who derped bin Laden, he does a podcast. I don't watch it very often, but sometimes there's good highlights on there.

He said it about a week or two ago, and it makes sense to me. he said the next world war won't be, you know, a Middle Eastern catalyst and some big growth from that or it won't be, you know, the Rush Ukraine thing blowing up more than it is right now. It will be the people getting their governments gone in Europe. He said the overall boiling that is happening now, and you've seen it in the UK a couple times with the protests they've done with when Henry Novak, you know, what happened with him.

And he's not a one of. All those things are causing the boil to happen. And it's here as well. Canadians are built different. We're not, you know, we're also a monstrously big country with a small population. So it's not like we can,

you know, you can't jam a million people into, like they did in London a couple weeks ago over the Novak thing and a few other things where they could put a million people there in heartbeat. We don't, we don't, we don't, we're not that. Um, but if something, the, but the thing that works against, uh, us is also something. We have the other thing that people over there don't have. When the anger switch in Canadians does get flipped, there's no coming back from it.

That's what we're known for in war. When that nice thing is done and the war thing starts, It's a horrible thing. And I'm not wishing that or hoping for that here. I'm not at all saying that. What I'm saying is if things aren't drastically changed and fixed, and I don't see any way that they're going to be, we're on a collision course for that kind of thing to happen here. It's happened in other countries.

Like when I bring up Bosnia all the time, Bosnia was, you know, they hosted the Olympics a few short years before there's brutal genocidal civil war. they were as normal as you and I they lived a pretty decent life for the most part and then they started butchering each other I'm not saying that's going to happen in Canada

I'm not saying that things like citizen vigilante and it's promoting that it's what it is is promoting see to me it wasn't the part of it oh shit sure the there's a few things to pull from that movie that I took out as they get it.

The big thing that most people who watch it are going to do is go, oh, that was pretty brutal. However, I can't say that I disagree. Well, that's the thing. It really pulls on, I mean, the main storyline is seven teenagers rape a girl or seven men.

I wouldn't say men because... They're 18 to 20. 18 to 20 rape a 14-year-old girl. Yeah. Right? And you go, well, that's about as heinous as it gets. In his act, he takes them all out. And at the end, you're like, yeah, right?

Like, I mean, you're sitting there and you're like. But he went after the judges. He went after the law. He went after everybody who was complicit in. In allowing them to get escape justice. And it's, it's one, I mean, in our own headlines today, I saw it. And it's, uh, there was several. of them lumped together, but it was another story of a, I forget where the guy's from,

but he's not a natural born Canadian who had been let out of jail after threatening his family and threatening to kill his family. And the judge literally had said, well, jail isn't going to do you any good. We need you to be out there being a good father. We murdered his seven and 12 year old kids about a minute after he was led out of jail. So when do the judges get held accountable? When does that start to become a thing that you're shitty decision is tied to no repercussion. Because in any other industry in the world, in our country, in any other profession, your decisions, if they were to have some sort of horribly negative effect like that,

or any, you can get fired, you can get, there's all kinds of remedy for that, right? But with judges, you know, I've still got friends at work at the jail, the judges are only getting worse. They're only getting more woke, you know, and we're letting these people out. I worked in a jail for almost 10 years. they would, they'd come in the door, they'd get out the door, they'd come back in the door repeatedly. Some of these guys are every other day. Unless you're an absolute maniacal murderer where they basically caught you on film,

you're getting out. It's not, it's just the way it is in this country. You wonder what the, what, you wonder why a film like that gets made in the first place and actually doesn't, like you said, I think before we started talking about the, They don't dose you with 12 analogies to where you're not really sure what the message is. The message is clear in this movie. Yeah. These actions are going to cause a reaction. You know, when I watch it, there's some of the things I pull away is there shouldn't have been a need for the,

there shouldn't have been a need for any of that to happen. For the, the justice system should have done its job, but it doesn't. It doesn't do it there. It doesn't do it here. it shouldn't have been a need for Army Hammer's character to do anything. The dad, in my opinion. If somebody hurts my daughter or my kids or somebody I love, I'm going to pull up your family tree.

I'm going to burn the roots and that'll be the end of it. I don't care what my repercussions are because I know the justice system isn't going to do anything. And I've got a unique skill set that would allow me to do all kinds of stuff that it is what it is. But Army Hammer's character shouldn't have even had to step in, the dad, But you see the dad when he, the dad is just a defeated Apologist almost. He's almost an apologist where just, you know, now he's got a lot to go through.

His daughter just went through it. I understand it. But I'll tell you what. If it comes down to a bunch of Army hammers running around, there's no one to blame except for a failed system. Because that's how a system corrects. You know how there's the, wasn't it kids, I want to say, that were

trapping pedophiles through online you know like getting them to come to parks and then exposing them and then the cops said you can't do that yeah

this is a more extreme version of that way more extreme version but this is Chris Hanson on steroids you know it's like yeah you don't want Army Hammer

nobody but you also want the judicial system to do what it's supposed to do you want the cops to do their job which for the again you want

watch the UK cops who are probably about the worst in the world. And I hate to say this, but ours, COVID exposed a lot of flaws in our law enforcement agencies. There are great cops out there. It's a horribly difficult job. However, they are also their own worst enemies because of some of the decision points they have. And it's not the rank and file.

The rank and file for the most part are like the rank and file of any organization. They're basically normal dudes just trying to do a job for 12 hours a day. I get it. I know tons of them. I've got family that are. I get it. It is once they reach a certain political level of rank, it was the same in the Army. Once you reach that rank, that's all that matters for them is the political power that comes with that rank and making basically decisions that are not good for society, but good for their career path.

and that's what happens. So we're in the position we are in the same in our judicial system here in Canada. There are judges and I've seen it firsthand. My friend's still a video game with my buddies who still work in the jail and it's like they vent for a couple hours about this judge and that judge

because they're letting murderers and rapists back on the street with no repercussion. So it's happening here too. It just if you do decide to watch the movie, again, don't go into it expecting John Wick and some... Well, V for Vendetta. V for Vendetta is a phenomenal show when you go watch it. Great movie, yeah.

But I shouldn't say that there's some gory parts in it. But not on this level. Yeah. And his code is pretty set. And he kills a ton of cops at the end too, doesn't he? Well, yeah. He took, it's what you call taking them to the deep, deep water. And he, he pre-planned it.

He took them to the deep water. And he did what he did. Because he'd had enough of them being the way they were. And even in that moment, you can go, oh, Jesus, dude, like, you didn't need to do that. There's also a part of most people that if they watch it goes, well, they're enabling the thing. Yeah. So I'm not, I'm not, again, I want to reiterate, not condoning any of it. I'm saying it's just it's just the first movie that talks to the issues directly

directly to it he take he kidnaps those judges he does the stuff that he does to them and I'll tell you what when the what especially the one that did the press conference who says these poor young men are just as much a victim they're literally ripping headline speech yeah putting it into a movie so 10 years ago that would have been like there's no way that's a thing now it's so normal yeah you just see it a hundred times a day in the news. And they literally basically built their script around it. So when you're,

when you're listening to the, the, the actors speak, or Army Hammer's character, especially, you're like, or the judge when he's doing that news conference on the steps of the courthouse,

and you're like, I'm boiling, watching it because judges are saying this. They're literally saying this, for real saying this. And now you're like, what's Army Hammer going to do this to this fucker? And well,

Army Hammer does get him. Does he ever? Yeah. And I got to say on a purely Hollywood type thing, I'm glad the guy's back. He did some stupid stuff. I don't think anybody in Hollywood hasn't done stupid stuff, but he sure got, you know,

he sure got canceled pretty hard for, you know, not being a great guy. I don't care, honestly, as long as he's not doing stuff to kids. He's going to, he's in Hollywood. do your thing do whatever we're going to do as long as the guy can act and the guy can act like i'll tell you again unless they maybe put mel gibson in his payback role in there you've seen that movie

you know mel gibson i just want my 70 thousand dollars i'm like what like you know who i'm talking about there mel gibson maybe could have pulled that off because he's got that darkness in him um army hammer just did it with a stone he didn't try and be john wick which i appreciated even more he's just a stone-ass vigilante who's like I've had enough. I've just, I've had enough. And everybody who watches it, who gets it or notices, if you're a noticeer,

you're going to go, I do get it. I'm frustrated too. There's a level of frustration in everyday people, and I hear it. People reach out on the Twitter, or they'll reach out and message me, or, you know, if I see them somewhere at an event or a party, wherever, and they'll be like,

dude, when does this change? When is it happening? when is, how does this get fixed? Because this is not tenable. Yeah. And what is Army? His character says, I'm here to try and teach you how to stand up. How you do it.

Yeah. And I'm again, not saying that's where. You know, but he's just trying to get citizens. But he's going, but the thing is, everybody gets to the bottom at their own speed. And Army Hammer's character got there. And then once you hit that bottom or that spot where you go, Well, now I'm going to do something different because doing the same thing is, by definition crazy, with the same results. He's doing something different.

And the different just happened to be absolutely extreme. If that starts to be the course correction that happens, that's not good either because all the government's going to do is clamp down even tighter, which will then cause when you force that lid onto the boiling pot, eventually you're going to pressure cooker it, right? I mean, there's no relief valve. There's no actual sense. Nobody in, even if you can pick some good cops out of the whole bunch and some good lawyers and judges out of the whole bunch. I would say nobody in Canada, I'm only talking Canada here, feels particularly good about our judicial system. It's multi-tiered.

If you're an immigrant who doesn't understand our culture, you get some passes. If you're First Nations, I worked in corrections, I saw it firsthand. There's a multi-tiered system of justice for them. like they're they get glad you reports or glad you factors now it's not even a full report because a glad you report you only get to pull once for a big crime so if you've got multiple crimes stacked up or you're going to have a lengthy career they'll just do glad you factors i'm air quoting here and that basically is like well we know you could have a glad you report we're just going to reduce your sentence and let you're out anyway for this let's um alberta independence

I you know referendum October 19th what do you see and what are you hearing um I have so about two weeks ago um knock on the door supper timeish and uh a canvasser was on my door step probably mid-20s college looking critter and she goes hey I'm here with my and I could see the NDP flyer I'm like I'm always polite I have a big dog which makes them polite and my girl is 121 pounds now at a year old and she doesn't do

anything threatening she just sits there and looks threatening and so the girl's like oh here I'll give you this thing and would you consider voting NDP I'm like no I wouldn't but you know have a good night and as she's walking down my step she turns and says oh just one

more question do you support Alberta independence I'm like 110% I do and she almost fell off the steps when I said that. And she turned and she was, why on earth would you support that? I'm like, well, do you want to have a conversation or do you want to, or are you going to just, what do you want out of this?

She goes, no, honestly, I don't want a conversation. Like, okay, have a good night. And she left. And that was the only person I've met who is not probably going to vote for leaving. I mean, I know that there are others. But even every. normal encounter I have and it just seems to be something people bring up

whether I'm at the doctor's office or at the vet's place or at wherever I've been out in public where you have more than the casual encounter. It gets brought up quite often, not every time, but quite often and everyone I know and have met is like yeah, we need out of this mess.

We need out of this and you know, do I think 100% in my heart we're going to get it? I think we're going to be right over I think if we get it, it'll be 50 and a one. You know what I mean? It's going to be, it's going to be tight. It's going to be very tight.

We have momentum, which the other side does not. The other side has the regular players and the anti-poo-pooh people, like, oh, Canada, this. These are the same Canadians, by the way, who can't identify what a Canadian culture is or identity is. Those people, but now we're going to glob together around this. Fake, Laurentian. culture. I hope we get it. If we don't, that's not the end of the world. This is the start of the fight. This isn't the end of it. You know, Daniel Smith, who I do like, I do like her, has dropped the ball so bloody many times in the last few weeks. I have to wonder if it's intentional or is she just

being so badly guided at this point. We all knew that this MOU she had with Carney about getting the pipeline going to the west. We all knew that was not. none of them ever worth the paper they're on. It's already falling apart. It's already not worth anything. And worse, she seems to be like doubling down on some of it. It's like, we also have access to Twitter in the news. Like, we see what's happening.

Danielle, like, come on, lady. Like, you are as smart. She's smart. She's savvy. She's usually thinking a few steps ahead. And I feel like she is absolutely blundering her right now. Like, I get it. She's got to pander to this.

to this her, her caucus type people and all that. But that's not going to be her people much longer. If she continues down this road, we'll just do the AGM and we'll all go get our memberships again like we do every time we want to. Once we're pissed off enough, which most of us are getting to now, well,

you'll be short time for your seat, lady. Like, figure it out. And we'll just pump somebody in there. I don't give a shit if it's Jeff Rath. I don't, and I'm saying he's going to get in there. We'll put that. fucking critter in there, you know, I don't want him in there. I want, I want, I want, uh, um, Wilson, Keith Wilson in there. Or a somebody, somebody as with his mind and

passion for it, him, he'd be great at it or somebody else in his character type. But this, we need out. We need out because if we can get out of this mess this country's in, confederation is a failed thing. If, even if we, we, don't get out, other provinces are going to try it after us. And it's just going to cascade from there. With going on a journey across Canada, you've been to lots of different parts of the world. Yeah. Any advice or any things you think I should try and put on the docket while I'm going across Canada?

Other than Ben and nobody knows who we're talking about, but obviously a friend of yours and somebody we've talked about an awful. lot about trying to get on a conversation. Yeah. So we'll continue to try and make that happen because I think that would be wonderful. But is there anything else you think, man, you should try and stop in here? Or see this or, I don't know, things while traveling. Honestly, you're going to, I could give you, anybody could give you, you got to see this on your trip.

The best things I've ever seen are by accident. they're 100% just going to be organic on your trip and you're going to be like, didn't even know this was a thing here and you and the Mel and the kids will pull in and be like, you're going to be, you spend an extra day in a spot because it's something, it's a hidden gem and those are going to be the things

you and your kids will pull for memories for the next 50 years. It's not what, it's not going to be, go to Yellowstone Park. It's not, those will be great things. Don't get me wrong. But it's going to be those organic moments. Just enjoy them.

And you're going to meet the people you want to interview or maybe you've got pre-booked or pre-lined up. Well, no, you know, like sitting here, you know, I had two interviews lined up for today. Both have fallen through. I just chuckle. I'm like, is this going to be how it goes? Like, it's possible. It's possible.

Like, I'm not stressed about it. I'm like, to me, I, you know, the further I go east, the more I could probably stick a mic in any person's hand and just be curious what they have to say. Like, just tell me what you think. Like, do you even care what Alberta is doing? It doesn't even have to be this format where we're, we're semi-formal right now or whatever. Just do your, do the old Rick Mercer Street interview. Like, dude, those are, those were.

Well, I tell you what, when I was, I've ran into a ton of people that have found, found the podcast when I was in Ottawa. I was just interviewing people on the street. Yeah. And those were probably some of the, I mean, obviously it was a certain group of the population that went to Ottawa protests. every single person there I could interview because they all had a story on why they came. Yeah. It wasn't, and it was never the same.

They were all over the place from families to college kids to immigrants. Like it was all over the place. They were, anyways, a ton of people have told me that's when they started listening. There's been lots of people along for the ride well before that. I go back to Dan Syke and his wife. When we stopped in there, he said, right at the start,

he said when you started interviewing people, our tail feathers, were up and we just wanted to hear something different. Yeah. And so when we go across here, you know, part of, like, I love being in Alberta. And I want nothing more than to go interview every Albertan on their thoughts on this. But I'm kind of curious what Manitoba thinks, if they're for or against it, if they want to, you know, and hear some different voices there. Or the further you get into Ontario, can you imagine walking around Toronto?

And I don't know. We'll see how all that plays out because obviously we're not there. and we're just starting. But, uh, you take that temperature the whole way through. Yeah. And it doesn't have to be some. Well,

and you wonder what happens between here and there, right? Because we still got a month and a half roughly before we're in Toronto. So like, you know, there's time for, you know, like it only takes one little event.

I mean, citizen vigilante is why we started this out because I'm like, and that was just last week. It was probably aired before that. But like, that's when I got put on my radar. Yeah. And I'm like, holy crap, we've got to talk about this, right?

So I appreciate you doing this. And being the first of the road trip, it seems fitting to me. There's probably... It could have been a thousand different people, to be honest, but it seems fitting to drive relatively beside your house and be like, Chuck, you should drive over. Let's do a podcast before I... Or as I head out.

You know, I get to go sit at Jamie's campsite here in about 10 days' time. That'll be fun. and there's just those are the ones I've tried lining up is some of the I'll say I feel bad for saying this they're friends of the show and there's so many friends of the show I wish I could get them all and that is that is almost I probably should have had 50 people come over today from this area because there's so many people that I would love to put on the podcast to try and get their story and their thoughts as well and we're going to do our best along the way but the hope is to continue to do in person No matter how many times it doesn't work out,

I'm pretty dead set on having people sit across from me and do it this way. I'm excited for you to do it. I mean, even today, there's several people here that I've met, or I've met through the Cornerstone a few times or that I've listened to us on your show. And it's always very humbling for me to meet all these people of you, right? They're so down to earth. Well, I was saying to the Sike family today.

It's like, well, you know, you just kind of got to be careful. And Shod's just so interested in meeting all the people listening. They're like, well, pretty sure Shodd's audience is pretty down earth. And I'm like, I agree. Yeah. I really agree. I've met so many of you, wonderful people, and I hope to meet more. And we'll be, you know, as we sit here, we're near Kalmar, Alberta is where we are on the Coza Farm.

Coza, what do we call this place? Merse. Yeah, like, ran. Ranch, not ranch because they don't have cats. I mean, I don't know. Mansion? It's a dream mansion. Yeah, like, it is a beautiful.

I wish people could see what we're looking at right now. It's beautiful. But I appreciate you doing this. Any final thoughts before I get out of here? Because here's the thing. I don't plan on interviewing it. I was thinking about this. And, you know, and then Trump will get shot in the ear or something.

And then, I mean, obviously, we did a lot of conversations, you know, that were unplanned then. Yeah. But when I get on the road, one of the things, I was talking about with Tanner in a day is like, you know, I have my regulars that I bring on once a month to once every for sure two months. And that's kind of going away right now for the next year as I try and find people that have certainly been on the show, but some new people and then just people. And I don't know, any final thoughts before I head out? Because I hope to see maybe October 19th, because I plan to be back for that and come voting it. But,

But, you know, any final thoughts before a guy pushes off and ventures further out knowing I'm not going to run into you for a little bit of time anyways? Just keep your head on a swivel. I mean, be careful, but enjoy it. Like don't enjoy this year. You're doing something that doesn't happen anymore. It used to be a thing years and years ago. Even when I was growing up, you'd hear about people taking their kids on a trip.

Did you ever get, as a kid or as a father? you ever take your kids on a trip? Not for a year. Well, I know. But did like, did you ever take them on a memorable? Yes, we did a couple big trips a week here, 10 days there. If you look back, Chuck, what's your favorite road trip, either as a kid or as a father? As a father, it would be, as a kid, it would be going with my folks down to my mom's American relatives all over the state. So those were pretty fantastic trips. And my American side of the family is probably where I get it from. I guess.

Probably, because they're all built different. But as a father, every road trip was special. But going to Banff and stuff and those kinds of trips, there's something about them, even though you could be pretty stressed out and dropping all the silly bad language you can because things aren't going your way or the kids aren't behaving or something's not going right.

When you look back then on the Banff road trips or anything like that, What is it that sticks out to you that made it so memorable? Just being together? Yeah. Because that doesn't happen now. Everybody's got a phone. Everybody's got social media.

Everybody's got their face and something. You might be in the room with them, but they're not with you in the room. They're somewhere else. We're driving today. I took a video of it. We're driving today. Mel's sleeping. And the three kids are playing.

I don't know. It's like, I don't even know what to call it. Was it polo? minus the water in a suburban. It's possible. They're whipping a ball around. And I'll wake up every once in a while and go, you're too loud.

And then she'll look at me and I'd be laughing because I'm like, this is funny. I'm like, they're having an absolute blast. And they're finding ways to keep themselves entertained because we weren't letting them on the screens and they don't have a phone. And so like,

today was a riot for me. For as stressed out as the last two weeks have been, the first day, I'm just like, and this is what it's going to be. we're going to be, you know, some would say trapped in a vehicle. And I still think over the last five years, some of my fondest memories of just being with the family, right? Yeah.

So when you look back on it, it's cool that you're just like, it was just being together, right? Like, I think that'll be a huge part of it is you're doing something that people just don't do anymore. And especially without the screens in their faces, enjoy that time, dude, because that goes away too quick, you know. It does.

Those will be more, that's what I miss. I've got great kids and we've had some we have great times and we've had great times but those times when they're much younger and everything's new to them this would be new to you this whole experience for them is something this doesn't happen anymore

you know for kids I mean it used to happen I wouldn't say regularly but people were doing it it was more affordable more affordable I can tell you the gas bill from today sucked I bet you know like we packed lunch We did all the things to make it. Yeah, you got to.

Easier or cost effective, time effective, all the things effective. The old gas bill sure is a kicking the junk. It's going to be. Kicking the junk. Yeah. Wait until you get further east. I know. I know.

Yeah. Well, I appreciate you doing this and look forward to many more conversations. There will be more between me and Chuck. Hopefully nothing. You know, I think back to when Trump got shot. The reason I bring that one up is I was sitting in Idaho when it happened. Yeah. And I was going, what do I do? And the first two people I reached out to was you and Jamie. And it's funny, you've become almost part of my parents showed up here. And you've become part of the nomenclature, I guess, in the Newman household. Because when dads or even mom or my siblings are like, hey, there's this military something, the first question they have, well, what does Jamie and Chuck say about it? I'm like, I don't know. And I always throw Willie in the chat too, because I'm like, well, that's the easiest way. Throw it out to the three guys I know the best.

And obviously my family knows quite well. Yeah. And they think highly of you. I think the audience thinks highly of you. I think highly of you. And look forward to some conversations in the future. Hopefully not as soon as somebody getting shot in the head because that's, you know, something very unplanned. And if we got to do emergency podcast, we will.

But hopefully, you know, as things are planned, it'll be next year when we're rolling back through with some stories and everything else. And you know what? Hopefully October 19th, I bring some gear, and maybe there's some conversations to be had that day as well. Yeah, all safe travels, brother, and we'll see what you come up with out there. I'm excited to see it. Thanks, Chuck.