Shaun Newman Podcast - #1091 - 222 Minutes

Episode Date: July 13, 2026

On the first Guardian Blue Collar Solo episode I’m joined by 2s (222 Minutes) who is an award-winning Canadian podcaster known for his sharp, comedic commentary on current events. He regularly co-hosts "The Mashup", a weekly segment on the Shaun Newman Podcast where he breaks down the top headlines across Canada with humor and unfiltered takes. Cornerstone Forum 26’https://shaunnewmanpodcast.substack.com/Silver Gold Bull Links:Website: https://silvergoldbull.ca/Email: [e-mail] Grahame: [phone]Bow Valley Credit UnionBitcoin: www.bowvalleycu.com/en/personal/investing-wealth/bitcoin-gatewayEmail: [e-mail] Get your voice heard: Text Shaun 587-217-8500

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This is James Lindsay. This is Vance Crow and you're listening to the Sean Newman podcast. Welcome to the podcast, folks. Happy Monday. How's everybody doing today? Let's start here. We were in Cypress Hills as I record this. We're pushing on to Jamie Sinclair's.

So by the time this releases, we'll be in Regina Beach. We have entered Saskatchewan, and we stayed in Cyprus Hills over the weekend with some family friends. And I tell you what, no mosquitoes. Yeah, so if you're looking for a place right now to get out of the absolute swarm of mosquitoes, head to Cyprus Hills, okay? Interstate or Inter-Provincial Park. Pretty sweet. Like, I've been walking around in shorts all weekend, folks. I haven't been built once.

Pretty cool. Regardless. Life on the road continues. We are now over our first full week. And the show continues on. So as we get rolling here, you're going to hear some conversations I recorded in Alberta, and certainly as we move along through the provinces, we'll be recording more. So before we get to today's show, obviously, let's talk a little silver gold bowl.

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Make sure to share with a friend. I've had a bunch of you doing that lately. I appreciate that. And if you're in Saskatchewan, we're heading to Regina Beach. We're going to be in Regina Beach Monday, Tuesday, and they're out near Tufnell country, Quick Dick, McDick country, for Tuesday evening, part of Wednesday morning.

So if you're wondering where we're going to be and then we're out of Saskatchewan and we're into Manitoba. So if you're looking for the full outline of like where the stops are, head to substack. The entire thing is posted there. Make sure you get signed up for free and you don't miss any post, folks. All right, let's get on to that tale of the tape. Today's guest is the co-host of the mashup.

I'm talking about 222 minutes, or as you know, two's. So buckle up. Here we go. Welcome to the Sean Newman podcast. Today I'm coming in from... He's sitting on the mic. You know, you're going to hear some butt sounds there. All right.

No, no, no, it's all. What the hell is this? Wouldn't it be an episode for twos where he can't figure out the technical nothing? The technical nothing that I got no briefing on? I gave you the briefing. I literally walked you through that. You just said I had to speak into the microphone. Speaking to the mic.

You didn't think I turned it on for you? This is to make sure that we're both recording. So we have a tradition here whenever somebody comes in person. All right. You get a take, read it. mashups. Oh, it's a Gatorade mashup. Yeah.

So whenever I'm thirsty, I always crack into an ice cold mashup. The suck nozzle was probably a bad idea for this. Well, folks, I'm looking into the wrong camera. Jack's going to have our time editing. this. We're here in the vape fault and well along another part of the journey was to come out a few days later after recording it. So I mean, Tews has taken off the suck knob to feel it more like a man. You got your suck knob set to 11.

Tews wanted to do this. Turn down the suck. Two's one to do this on the top of a grassy knoll hill. Not that one specific. just one that was nearby. And instead, a storm is rolling through as we speak. And I thought it would have been fun to have done it with umbrellas out and just sat in the rain. But on the flip side, that might not have been a good choice either. Yeah. If you were equipped for all-weather camera situations.

Well, a strapper. We could have doctored up an umbrella on the camera. Yeah, but the wind's going to be changing directions. It's true. A water drop of literally went through the crack of the window and smacked me in the face on the dry back. I still don't know how that drop, that little bugger got through the window. Now, you, sir, you don't know this because I was thinking, I was talking to Blaine and Joey before we left, Guardian plumbing and heating. And I was like, no, I haven't done a blue color round table because it's been with trying to get ready to leave and everything else.

It's been tough to coordinate, I would say. everybody getting together and everything like that I've been working as hard as they can. So what I told them as I said, well, on the road trip, I got Zane coming up that I'm going to interview and I'm like, that's a blue collar as it gets.

The dude is like... A beauty? A beauty, yeah. And so what we're going to do is we're going to do blue collar solos. And you're the first blue collar solo. Oh. And so shout out to Guardian Plumbing and Heating.

they're the episode sponsor, right? Like they, I don't know, they've been super cool to work with because, you know, like lots of companies go, what are you doing? And when I brought up the blue collar roundtable or the blue collar solos, I mean, too, is your blue collar as it gets, you speak for the blue collar person.

And I thought, as we sit here in my retail store. True. But I mean, if you sat in it, you're like, it's a blue collar feel, what you've done in here. That's probably fair. And so I thought, why not start out a blue collar. collar solo with the most blue collar I know in twos.

And you're springing on me now. I am, as I always do. Son of a bitch. Mashup tastes good out of a suck nozzle. It does. It does. I mashed it up with some vodka. So, Guardian plumbing and heating, thanks for, thanks for being here on the inaugural

blue collar solo. Thanks, Guardian. The Guardian Blue Collar Solo. And also. Smearnoff. Yeah. Gatorade. Yeah.

Garden Plumbing Heating based at a Lloydminster folks, but those two brothers, they're willing to go just about anywhere if they can solve your problem. So I thought. Absolute beauties. Yeah, I thought, why not blue-collar sold it up with two? This can be the last time I see you in person for a while. Well, we've got to see what we can line up for the Quebec election.

Well, the Quebec election, I'll be close. I might be gone by then. the referendum I mean I said this earlier today on a different one my goal is to be back I just don't you know like you just never know what can happen

and what transpires but the goal is to come back for it to be in Calgary for the referendum so vote early and vote often folks yes yes that's all we got all right we're out of here wrap okay

so from a blue color perspective What, you're even asking before, like, what are we going to be talking about? Okay. What problems do I need to solve in the world? Well, Tews usually has all the answers, right? So I just give them lots of leash and let you roll, and then you go. And today, you're like, oh, you're springing everything on me.

I don't know, man. There's a lot to talk about. You still haven't watched Citizen Vigilante? Nope, nope. I worked all weekend, and it's Wednesday, and I'm at like 40 hours already at my other job. And your point is, put a little screen up here, watch Army Hammer just absolutely go around. What a great name, by the way. It is a great name.

He's got a great voice. He's got a podcast voice. Like, I'm jealous. That's cool. But, yeah, really looking forward to it. I'm honestly surprised that nothing like that has really happened since, like, 1984. I don't know whether to lean on this thing or sit. I'm like, I'm...

You're like Ricky Bobby. I don't know what to do with my hands. Yes. But yeah, like, I'm sure you've heard the story of that guy who, like a Boy Scout leader or something was molested his son. And then I think killed him. We recovered this on the mashup. Didn't we?

We maybe talked about it on the anniversary of it happening once or something like that. This happened in like the 80s. Okay. He happened to find out what flight. the feds were bringing him back on and he just stood by a pay phone you know with a with glasses and a ball cap and then when dude walked by he just turned around and shot him and somebody recorded it and so yeah other than that the stories don't really happen in real life and you'd think with as many as there are I mean, you know, you've got, fuck, like, quarter million on probably the very low side in England

and not a single person decided to take matters into their own hands. That's weird. I don't know what to say to that. I mean, just everything with crime. Like, when this place got broke into, I was here in like five minutes. I know. You can't see it, folks, but he's got the rock that went through the window displayed on a mantle. So just as a good reminder or it's now part of the place. Both. Yeah. I mean, like, nobody's come back yet. Truth be told, I've slept here a lot with stuff here in case they come in. Nothing crazy. But yeah, because, A, it's very expensive. when they do it. B, that expense represents a lot of time, money, and effort.

C, it took the cops over a half hour to get here. And the security company called the cops before they called us. It's not like we're in the middle of nowhere, but we may as well be. If anything happens to the guys who do these sorts of things, it's going to be from the people they're trying to do it too. You're going to like something about. monologues Army Hammer has. I'll be interested when you finally watch it.

Okay. I've been waiting for like, you know, obviously I talked about it with Chuck. Mm-hmm. But I'm like, I've been waiting for you to watch it so we could talk about it on the mashup. Because I'm like, ah, Tews will watch it. Tuz will get around it. Now I'm gone. Yeah.

I'm like, some of a B. Well, the other thing is, is that Mrs. Tews was interested in watching it too. So you're trying to align schedules. And so it's when can we both sit down and watch it? when we have time to sit down and watch it and we're not doing something else like sleeping. That's fair. You know, I was telling you about the first ever

SMP road trip that was back in 2020. And then the only other road trip, like obviously the one I'm on now, is the second SMP road trip on steroids compared to the first. The first was like five days through BC. We drove like Newman's always due his hardest. Did you bring the whole family?

No, Mom and Dad went with me. Mel was working, she couldn't go. All right. I booked the interview with Jim Pattinson, and I needed to do research on the way. And so I reached out to Mom and Dad and see if they'd come along with me, and they drove, and I read books. I read Jordan Tutu's full book. I read Jim Pattison's full book. I read The Perfect Storm, because I was interviewing Judy Reeves.

I think I read three books pretty much sitting in the backseat while they drove, and I just kept reading along and got to go to Jordan Tutu's home and then Judy Reeves out on the island and you know you could have just watched the movie yeah but there was actually in the in the perfect storm book Judy's actually referenced right so there's actual things she said and I wanted to read them because she was referenced a lot towards the end of the book if memory serves me correct now And so knowing I was going to interview her, sure, you get the Hollywood version. I wanted that actual version. I wanted to hear what, like, read which she'd actually wrote, like, told the author.

I was just really curious. So I read that. So I read three books, but Mom and Dad drove because my mom was working in 2020. We had three kids under four probably. Yeah. Casey was born in 2019, so it hadn't been a year yet. So I think she laughed at me and said, yep, you go. I took time away from work and load it up and off we went.

So that was the first road trip. The second road trip, well, and obviously I'm on the third now, but the second road trip I've ever done with the podcast, it was our mashup tour. Yep. Where we went across all the little small town, Saskatchewan bars and ended in Irma. That was a fun time. I mean, that was just, we didn't make, I think we broke even when we came home.

It kind of just covered our gas But most of them were Fundraisers True We were raising money for If we could raise money But still in, you know You look at it and we're like

It was a ton of fun What was the little bar outside To ask it to when we went to? Oh, shoot And I'm actually wearing the shirt That Blake and Steve gave us Yeah Like that's probably why it's popping into my mind

As a lookie I hadn't even dawned on me that But like that was a fun trip Oh it was a blast Like every single part of it think you're going to go on a road trip like that like consecutively year after year and then it's been well i don't know what year did we do that in 23 yeah that probably it's probably been three years yeah but i mean we did the mash spiel last year and it's just it's not that it necessarily needs to be

a road trip but we true but i mean the mash bill still probably took two years man took like four years to convince you well it didn't take four years to convince me. I saw Tyler and Crystal at Kyle Cozes the other night. That was good. And sorry, this is like insider baseball. Nobody knows who we're talking about half the time. But Tyler and Crystal helped us put on the Mashpiel in Kalmar. And the first stop we had on this road trip was at Kyle and Ginger Cozes. And they had a whole group of them over there. And it was a ton of fun. It was good to see everybody. But the Mash Spiel was a ton of fun. I just, I guess what I was trying to get to is, you think you're going to do things like this all the time

and then life gets in the way or whatever we're going to call it gets in the way and all of a sudden you think about it you're like and it's been a few years since we did the mash up road trip I mean there's it's not like we the mashup road trip wasn't the idea wasn't to just go on road trips on a regular basis we just wanted to do something fun and so well that's the way we've always approached the mashup though yeah is if we could have fun it and do the actual news per se or other things and do them in a way that people actually enjoy.

That's essentially, you know, what's the slogan, the news? News that doesn't suck. News that doesn't suck. But the North Star for this, the whole way, has just been, are we liking this? Are we having fun? Can I tell you about this actually tie into the blue color thing very well? Can I tell you about the most fun work road? work road trip I ever went on?

Yeah, absolutely. Okay. So back when I was still tool hand in the oil field, shop was in Calgary and we would go all over Western Canada. At like the drop of a hat, the phone would ring and it's 4.30 and now you've got to spend the next 10 hours driving kind of thing. And I had known that there was this new kid, like fresh out of school, wet behind the ears, you know, just really wanted to prove himself.

and I knew that I was going to be taking him out, evaluating them, and not like a formal, but just a preliminary kind of just see what this kid can do and see if he can think his way out of things and figure anything out, see if he's got any potential. And so we were prepping some tools basically just the high-level stuff before the specific details of the well comes in. and I just kept going on and on about Lady Gaga and how much I love Lady Gaga.

You were doing this? I was doing this. And you're like, oh, don't you love that song and don't you love this song? And he's just like, yeah, yeah, it's good, it's good, it's good, it's good, it's good, whatever. What are we doing here, right? You know, and I just wouldn't let up on it. And so then phone call comes in,

we've got to get north of Fort Mac. So we're driving like 10 straight hours. And this is a few years ago. So I had an iPod with tens of thousands of songs on it. And you put Lady Gaga and repeat. And I had downloaded every single song that Lady Gaga had ever sung onto that iPod. Because here's the thing is I'm the senior guy in the field. I'm like the, I'm the guy that it,

goes to all the critical jobs and then everybody's looking to and things like that. And so I'm the guy he really wants to impress. And I abused the shit out of that. So we drive all the way from Calgary past Fort Mac, listening to Lady Gaga on repeat the whole time. And he just sat there politely listening to it. Didn't say a word. because he didn't want to piss me off. So we go hammer out the job.

It goes great. Ends up being a great hand. But that particular job, we finish it up. We drive back. And I put Lady Gaga on again. He never said a thing. Because what are you going to say? This is the guy who's, you know, your whole life is.

When did you let him in on? this. You never let him in on this? No, no, no. Probably I, like I hadn't said anything. And then... Did you listen to 20 hours of Lady Gaga? Just to fuck with a new guy? Yes.

Yeah, absolutely. At some point where you're like, oh my God, would you just break and lose it on me? No, no. I just wanted to keep going forever. Right? This is, this was... You... I spent 20 hours listening to Lady Gaga to fuck with a new guy and anybody who's ever had a shitty job is probably listening to this and going what a fucking legend but i don't know something like he said something to one of the guys in the

shop and he's like tuesday is really obsessed with lady gaga and i'm like what what are you talking about and then and then the guy said something to me and then i was like okay well bring up next time he's around. And so then he did. So now everybody's messing with the new guy? No, but I just said, just bring up Lady Gaga next time. It's the three of us or something.

And then he says something about Lady Gaga. And I'm like, fuck, I hate that bitch. And then dudes, what the hell? You were the new guy. I was just messing with it. Just be glad I didn't ask you what a shitbird was. I'm glad I don't have. I have twos as a co-host, not as a,

but now everybody kind of gets some insight into what I deal with on a weekly basis. Right? Yeah, yeah, I would absolutely, I mean, I can't anymore because I let you in on this thing, but yeah, I would absolutely do that to you. Yeah, but I would at some point, I'm like, what are you doing? Actually, they still do that. Half the time, like, what are you doing? We're walking in here.

And he goes, I bring him a donut, right? Showed out to Donut Man in Crossfield. Yes. Peter Schultz told me to stop in. And Toos is going to say, I told you to stop in eight months ago. Yes, Toos, we know. Sometimes. Sometimes.

Lots of the time. And so I stop in, bring him a donut, bring Mrs. Toos's donut. Maybe at a second one myself. There was no maybe. Okay, I did. He literally prioritized it over. overcharging the cameras. I'm sitting there and I'm eating my donut and he's yelling at me.

Go charge the cameras. Bring them in. I'm like, I'm just enjoying this donut. Can I enjoy the donut? No, you need to get out there. You need to get the cat. I'm like, the cameras will be just fine. We got plenty of time. Let me enjoy my donut. And he's, the entire time. That's what you did.

You text me. You called me this morning. You and Jamie Sinclair were the first two people to call my phone this morning, almost like bang, bang. And I looked at them like, I'm like, what do these guys want? Tews, you need to do your homework on your gas. You need to fix your audio on your gas.

I'm like, yes, I know, Tews. I'm literally on episode three of a year-long trip. I'm solving some problems. I'm working out some kinks. That's what I'm doing. But I do appreciate it. You come off as, here we go. You've got to fix this tomorrow.

I'm like, I'm working on Tews. Just relax. Just go drive your truck. It's going to be okay. I'm going to be okay. Everything's going to be okay, Tews. hopefully everything is going to be okay. See, here's the thing,

is that you had no idea what battery levels were in the cameras, and you said, oh, they'll be fine. And I don't know if you've ever heard anybody say it'll be fine before, but whenever somebody says that, it abs a fucking looting will not. I was thinking it would be fine

because it's just me and two. If you lose cameras, it's not that big a deal. And so, Yeah, maybe you do need a little bit. You know what? You do need a little bit. You know what?

Every once in a while, I just have to poke the bear and let twos go. So I was like, I know these things are going to just drive them nuts. And it did drive them nuts. And it's still driving them nuts. And as much as he's learned my quirks, I've learned some of your quirks too. And it's a lot of fun to mess with you just as you mess with me. So you just say, it'll be fine. Yes.

Because you know that it sets off every, alarm bell in my head. Yes. This is the Lady Gaga thing. I was sitting out there. This is not the Lady Gaga. Yeah, it's kind of the Lady Gaga thing. It's on a very minor level.

But yes, I like setting you off. It's a lot of fun. Sometimes I plan it. Other times I definitely blind walk into it and miss whatever you're trying to tell me about. But other times I do plan things. That's a lot of fun. Isn't this why you have so much fun working together?

Because like half the time you're going to the other guy and like, what the hell is he doing? he's just missed for twos i miss punchlines all the time i will admit to that there's some that i just miss but i am operating a show in the background trying to get things right trying to make sure the musical go which you still can't figure out 200 because i've never been lost through it episodes with the microphones i didn't actually there's this little thing here that i thought was the microphone which is not the microphone because i saw sean put the microphone in and then slide the i'm so I'm so efficient that I started yours before you even notice.

You said, just start the show. So I clicked them both on. As you can see right here, there's two red dots. Okay. Away we go. No trust, twos. No trust. After all this time, no trust.

Yeah. And the thing with the music in the show, I don't actually know what button you push to do it. It's not, oh, I can't remember how to do it or I'm just like, there's a lot of buttons. How many times have you messed with the screen. to figure them out. Stream yard when we first got it. That was it. Restream?

Not really. Yes, really. You were messing with it in the first show. I'm like, what is he doing? And all you have to do is click on the side. Oh, yeah, that's right. I did do that. You did do that.

And then you just click, and there's all the files there. It's all sitting there ready for you to go. Yeah, which was great because I actually, I'd uploaded a video into Restream that was going to be a hilarious segue for repeating segments, and then you call me on the phone the next day, and you're like, yeah, we're going to switch back to Streamyard. It's not like I saved the rough cut of it.

I'd have to go make it again. Speaking of blue collar guys, who's the... I'm not the bluest collar guy. No, no, no. Who's the guy when you think of blue collar? And I'm trying to, like, is it he can fix any problem? Is it his outlook on the world? Like, when you think of blue collar,

caller who's the guy you're thinking of that you're like this guy is a beauty and he's got like i love sitting down and having whether it's a mashup with a little bodke like you're doing now or maybe it's uh i don't know maybe it's a cup of coffee for all i know i don't know for me i would say it's probably it's not can they do this or can they do that it's the patient competence i guess patient competence well here's the thing they can get all right riled up when shit breaks but just when you're going to do something, they just kind of look at it, and then they just start working on it and figuring it out, or whatever else, right? It's not the, I don't know what we're going to do. Sure, sometimes they'll throw a few fucking wrenches or some shit, but it's just the,

you know, when it's time to do something, they might kind of tilt their head a little bit, and then they just get at it. And yeah, it's not. Some kind of, like, you can just ask them any random thing, whether they have any, any idea or not. The vodka's making me swear. Thanks, Smirnoff. Have you, but you still haven't said a name. Who's the guy you think of? Oh, oh, sorry, I wasn't, I didn't realize you meant, like, the specific person.

I thought you just meant in general. Specific person. My dad? Very much so. Right off the top of my head. Guys like. Drew, which is funny, because I've never seen them work, but you just, you can talk to somebody and it's like an aura, like, I don't know, you can just sense it, like a, like a gaitre, but for calluses.

Well, I was, I would say dad for me too, but yeah, I just got to witness, like, Zane and his dad Brian they came out to So we got to Aspen Crossing Monday night And so they come out And me and Zane And he'd found some tires for the trailer

And so he brought him out Paid him for the tires And then he, you know Like in my brain Like let's get to work And we'll snap off the four tires And pop on the new ones And we'll be done in you know

I don't know half an hour Maybe it's 20 minutes But you get the point kind of a short time frame. Within two minutes of being there, he's got my oldest, Shay. He's like, okay, you want to help me do these tires? Shea's like, uh, sure. And I'm waiting for Shay to, like, tire out or be a board of it.

And he gets him to do the first tire. And he gets him to do the second tire. And I'm sitting there, and I'm getting like, I want to, I'm like, I want to get going, right? And he's like... Like, you want to get in there and start working, or you want to leave? I want to get in there and start working. Yeah. I don't have that patient competence, as you put it.

I'm sitting there and I'm just watching and I'm like, I just, let me, let me get in there. And Zane just looks at me, he's like, no, no, he's got it. I'm like, okay, so I go sit by Brian and Brian's sitting there. We're going to be here for a couple hours, aren't we? And I'm like, at this pace? Yeah, probably. It's like, yeah. Then Brian goes back to whatever he's doing.

And Zane walks around and does three with Shea, and then Brian gets up and does the fourth one of Mela. And as they're leaving, all my kids now are saying, you coming back tomorrow? And Zane says, well, hopefully we'll get to see you here one more time before you go.

We're changing another tire when you do. And I'm like, my kids are yelling at them. All of them. They want to change another tire. And I'm like, wait until they find out about oil changes. Zane's all pumped because he's like,

he's a natural, right? He just gets it. And I'm like watching him and I'm like, you're a natural to be able to have the patience to sit there and let them struggle so much and then watch them slowly start to get it. And yeah, does he have all the strength? No.

But just this patient methodical, patient competence, that's a really well-put-to's, because I just witnessed it earlier this week. The kids changed all four tires on the trailer. That is a very cool story, and I'm oppressed. It wasn't quite what I meant by it, but I really like that story. Well, yours is like something breaks down

and they're not fuming mad and throwing things. They're like, okay, how do I fix? this. And I guess that is, dad was always, and is, the guy when you get in the problem, he's like, ah, you worry too much. We'll solve this. And I always think we got stuck me and him. This is when I was in high school. Got stuck out in the far pasture, so we're a long way away from the house. And he just started going, how are we going to get out of here? How are we going to get out of here? And so we had a tractor on the other side of the quarter, so we walked to the tractor, and then we got to the tractor, but then we had nothing to pull it with. So he's like,

I will figure it out when we get there. And I'm like, figure it. that out when we get there. What are you talking about? So we bummel along and he keeps going, you worry too much. We get over there and we had wire snips. So we snips some old wire, rolled it into a bit of a rope, if you would, hooked it on in the truck, the tractor, yanked it out. And I was like, that was actually really brilliant. And I've witnessed him do that time and time again. And that's a patient competence as well. That is pretty cool. I just, know like for my dad i've never seen them stumped i've shoot i can't think of any examples off the top of my head but like i've thought about things over the years we're looking back on it i'm

like that was probably a really suboptimal way to do it but it worked and uh and just just any time any random thing oh yeah we're just gonna we just got to fix this over here and oh we just got to do this over there and like just anything to do with your hands never seen them at a loss it's probably never watched a YouTube how to in his life I've watched a lot of YouTube I've watched a lot of YouTube how to's that's more to be fair to be fair to us things are a lot more complicated now than they were back in the day. Like a washing machine had a dial, a motor, a belt, and a drum. Or a dryer, pardon me. Wash machine had a couple more parts. But that's it, right? Now everything's got, oh, this sensor for that and that sensor for this and all these other things that, you know,

you basically, you can't fix a single appliance in your house without a multimeter. And that's where I think the YouTube stuff is coming really handy for me because it's a lot easier than trying to guess as I'm looking at some circuit board where I should be able to see what readings and how I can troubleshoot and things like that. Yeah, well, there definitely is something to that. I hesitate because I just

there's also just people who get it and want to get it and they're just like so inclined to figuring out a problem. I remember being a kid and we went to Vulcan today and saw the Enterprise and like the Star Trek you know kind of I don't know what you call it museum tourist center. It is a museum. It's almost a shrine. Yeah, a shrine. I think a shrine's a better a better word. Anyways, I remember being a kid and having one

of those ships and tearing it apart like pulling out all the screws because I want to see on the inside now a toy isn't quite I don't know what I expected to see on the inside but I was like no this sucks and I remember being like I don't know if I'm going to be good at tearing apart things oh my parents were so pissed at me so many times as a kid uh that I kind of figured out that if if I left like the one screw in the corner then I could just kind of slide it all back into place And nobody would realize that that particular toy has lost all functionality. Because I would just keep taking things apart. Not interested in taking them apart and putting them together,

but just really interested in taking them apart. And so, yeah, I had this Michael Jackson cassette player. And I remember it was black Michael Jackson. So this is going back a few years. I remember my mom, mentioning something one time about like why I never use it, why I never, like, she's like, you have all these cassettes and you never use it. And then she went to just pull it down one time and then the two halves of it

slid apart except for, you know, the one screw in the corner holding it together. I'm pretty sure I probably got the belt for that. You good? I got Jack texting me right now. Jack, you're messing with me. We've been having fun. Sorry, the black Michael Jackson thing had me. That's funny.

We're working through issues on being on the road, right? Just technical stuff. When you're in the studio, everything, I dialed the new studio, you know, everybody, I know, everybody, I know people listen there. Like, oh, you can tell Sean's in the new studio. I've heard this lots. There's a bit of an echo. I'm like, yep, I'm going to fix the echo when I get back. But for the most part, like, you've dialed it into a point where you're like,

I know that everything sounds good. as soon as I left, you know, we've had a couple of good episodes. We've had one where I sound like I'm in a, I don't know, outer space or whatever you want to call. A mausoleum. Yeah, like I just, I just, and we've just had minor issues on the side of tech, which sucks, because I don't think there should be anything wrong.

I can see it's working properly, but that isn't always the case with tech. And so we're just stumbling through the first couple, and I'm hoping as it goes along here, like the cameras, I give a complete shout to Calcoza. So I was trying to do this idea, this idea that I thought I'd use phones to you. And then it's just super compactable, right? Two phones.

And then the phone died on the first time with Chuck. Oh, really? Really? Not. Really? Maybe you should have charged it before you had your banana split donut. It was literally. It'll be fine.

It was literally in the wall. It was already charging. It was charging what was on. It just shut off. It was like it didn't want to take the video. I'm like, huh. And then Chuck is pretty ugly. Me and Kyle sat there and talked about.

He's like, man, you've spent a ton of time researching your cameras. Why would you go away from him? I was like, well, in my thought process, I was like, I just want to be as compact as possible. He's like, I know, but you spend a ton of time researching these cameras, so you've never had issues since you started using them. You can have bad lighting. You can have poor angles, lots of different things, which is on me. Right, sure.

But like, he was right. So it's because of Nick that I brought the cameras. It's because of Kyle that I went back to the cameras. And now at least we have video that's consistent. And, sir, we're in various locations every time. But we're just ironing out the kinks as we go. So Jack's texting me because he's editing. And, you know, there's some issues coming up.

Well, I would just suggest that when you're doing the setups and if you catch yourself saying in your head, it'll be fine. That's probably a time to stop. That's where you stop, reflect, and double check what you're doing. Well, I've already started. Like, one of the things after I had Gabby Cozo on is me and... Great guests, by the way. Not like, not great as a first time on a podcast guest, guest, just across the board.

She was extremely well-spoken. She's really impressed me since I first met her. And I told the story on the podcast, but I sounded like I was in a spaceship. and I liked your letter. And then it was even better because her audio just sounded perfect. I know. And then it's like, it's nice to sit down and talk to you.

Now the audience knows what Tew's is texting me. Anyways, one of the things that Jack had said after that, because he's like you, he looks at things and he's like, the lighting must pour on her. And I'm like, I didn't even think to check. I made sure the angle was good. I looked at the video. I thought the video was good.

And I just clicked record. I didn't even think. So one of the things we've changed already is every time I sit, set them up, is I click record for like a 10 second video, have you sit there and then watch the playback to make sure that it doesn't look like you're, you know, being standing two feet from the sun or in pitch darkness. You motherfucker. What? That's literally what I told you you have to do with the audio.

and you're just like, no, it'll be fine. But when Jack, when Jack Milliken says you need to function test the video, Jack, we're going to edit this part out of right, Jack. Absolutely, Jack. Whatever you say, Jack, you give such good advice. You know what I'm going to do? I'm going to have, I at one, jack off. I'm going to have Jack here and you two can bitch about me and do an episode that way

of how much I don't listen to either one of you and either one of it. Both of you're like, what are you doing? Put it out of podcast, folks. But this is a classic blue-colored thing. You don't need to know what you're doing super technically well, but you just need to cover your bases in the event that it doesn't. Yes, I hear you. Does that make sense?

So you go back to the audio. The audio is not as simple as a camera. Camera takes, you watched it. Takes me an extra 30 seconds. Boom, I know what's going on. Fair enough. And will we have some issues along the way with camera and everything else? I'm certain we will.

But like, for the most part, pretty manageable. And the technical errors will be pretty minor, I think. Audio, in order to get the audio off the thing, I got to hook it up to a computer, download it on, then go listen to it. It's probably going to add an extra 10 minutes. Oh, no, 10 minutes to make sure that it's done well? No, no, no. You podcast full time.

Also, also, you might be able to. Stop. You might be able to just. I'm going to say you might be able to learn to interpret those bars on there a little bit better. And then you can tell people. What do you think I'm doing? What do you think I'm doing all the time to? I'm checking your phone mostly.

What is jackass? I'm watching this. And what I've been learning. Yeah, it beeps whenever you get tweeted at. What I've been learning is I listen. This is the most I've listened to. And all my episodes, and normally I don't go back

and listen to them all as I go, right? But I've been listening to the ones that I've done off the start of the road trip because I'm trying to dial this in. It's exactly what I'm trying to do. But instead of taking an extra 10 minutes, I already know that me and Chuck did it exactly like this.

I already know it works. Gabby is a soft-spoken girl. And so I sit there and I go, huh, I just thought I'd already had Daniel Smith use it. She's not exactly the loudest person in the world. That one kind of surprised me a bit. So I was like, Okay. So what am I going to do for a soft-spoken girl?

I'm probably going to have to have her talk right into it to make sure that it works. Because when it was me and Rob Anders, you had no problem with the audio. You weren't calling me up going, the audio was terrible. You were going, you suck, and you need to be better with new guests and this and that. And I'm like, okay. No, I said you need to research. So the interesting thing about Rob Anders, is that he more or less got kicked out of his seat by the conservative party

and then they put in this stooly named Ron Leepert who was an absolute do nothing waste of skin and I know that because they were both my MPs because I lived in that writing and what did I tell you? And then when Ron Leopert retired What did I tell you? What did you tell me? I told you before we started he told me the story

and then you didn't say he told you the story he did tell me the story you just said that there told me the story and then he said but I can't say that on air I'm like oh okay but I mean everything I'm saying right now is public records. So I assume you're saying he went a little bit more into the weeds about it. But it's really interesting.

Well, not into the weeds. They actually cleared up the weeds. That then that was when Ron Leepard finally retired. Thank fuck for everybody who lives there. Ron Leepard, if you listen to this, you were the fucking worst. Anyways, when he retired, Wyatt Claypool wanted to run in that riding. And then they said, no, Wyatt, you're not allowed to run. And so two candidates in a decade in one writing got told they weren't a good culture fit for the conservative party, regardless of the people supporting them who lived there.

And I couldn't believe that you weren't touching on that at all. You know, even if, even if you could. Yeah. I feel like I gave him enough leeway to talk about it himself. Right? Like, I mean. I don't know. Maybe.

I don't know. I feel like I gave him enough leeway to. either broach that or not broach that. I don't know. Like that, that's what I feel. But it was still really good. And if you, the next time you talk... And the audio is really good, right? Yeah, yeah. And the next time you talk to Anders, by the way, tell them that Ron Leopert

sucks from me. Okay. But here's the audio. Like, you said I got to have a real close to me, and I think I got it pretty close. I kind of feel like I'm Kim Kardashian here, or at least I would if I had two microphones, maybe. But I don't know. know how the audio is turning out for me.

But if you get the guest, because it's not just about whether your audio is working or not, if the guest is unsure and maybe they kind of have a tendency to just sort of wander. Yeah, yeah. And then you just say, okay, hold it in a comfortable spot, talk to me for 10 seconds, and then you play it back for them, you'll be able to tell right away, and they'll be able to self-adjust. So one of the things that I have in the news studio is a desk. I've told twos it's his desk. He should sit in it.

Whether or not that comes to fruition is up to twos. Regardless, this is why twos, because you think of all these technical things. Whereas I've tried. It's not a technical thing. No, it is a technical thing. Where to hold the mic is a technical thing. What are you talking about?

Okay, but I'm not saying the kilowatts coming out of this. Yeah, because you're going way too far. Okay, the angle at which you hold a mic isn't technical. Come on. The point I'm making is, is that you don't need to understand the finer points of how directional the mic is or anything like that. But if you just give them a dry run through it and say, this is how you sound, then they can go, oh, is this better now? Or they can go, oh, this must be way better.

And then they know, and not only that, but then they're also more comfortable. Like for me, I feel like I'm kind of going blind into this. And it's probably because I'm overthinking things. but that extra 10 minute step, I mean, unless it's Daniel Smith and you're like, okay, I have exactly 17 minutes to ask her everything I want to ask or whatever it works out to be. Well, the way that you normally or I normally do it is I don't adjust, I don't go back through every 10. Like over the course of the thousand, I've learned, okay, first turn on the mics because I've learned the hard lesson of not having a mic on. that sucked. And then... QDM.

Yeah, make sure you click record. That's also the next step. But also there was the similar problem we had at the very start with soft-spoken people. It wasn't just women. It was just soft-spoken people. No matter how close I got them, if they were soft-spoken, it didn't change anything. So we actually had to put in amplifiers in the studio, which are still there, to boost it so that I could boost their audio. and then I could see where they were at.

Now, am I a sound tech? No, I'm not. I'm furthest from it. But that is how I've operated since the beginning. As you test it, you go, oh, man, that sounded terrible. Okay, how can I adjust in the future? Could I sit down and do that with every guest? I guess so.

But I'm watching it right now, and I go, are we too loud? It's possible. But I don't think so because I'm watching it and it's not screaming at me all red that we are. And it's a new tech, and I'm just rolling through with it, right? Like, I don't know. Me and you were built differently this way.

Oh, totally. You're barrel chested and I've got massive arms. I just mean I've made, like, when it comes to a podcast, I've released terrible podcasts when it comes to technical things. And then I go, okay, don't do that again. And then I release another. And then I go, oh, maybe don't stand out in a rainstorm, although I think that would have been fun.

And it isn't even raining. It didn't even, yeah. So I was right. Should it just went. See, there's a lot you're not taking into account. You have no way to anchor your tripod. Remember the wind? For the wind.

Well, I mean, your comment on the cameras, I was like, I'm probably not using a camera if we sit out here. I'd probably just record audio. Nobody wants to see your ugly mug anyways. That's why we did the box. Yeah, there are people who still remember the box days. Oh, yeah. For the audience, if you weren't there for their original mashups,

too's had a box on his head. Not a literal one. Witness protection kind of thing. He had a, we put it in afterwards. It was, well, in the context of the time, cancel culture was a lot more of concern for a lot of people. And it's not because I wanted to go off. You can say it. You're a pussy. That's fine.

No, it's the thing about it is, is it's not. Not that I was worried about, you know, I've got some really ridiculous take that, I don't know. The Mexicans teamed up with aliens to murder JFK and I was going to lose my job because of it. But it's just because people were losing their minds over stupid shit. You go back and Zubi got booted from Twitter for saying, okay, dude. Right to a guy who said, I bet true I get more women than you do. And he said, okay, dude. And then he got removed.

That's the time you're talking about. So it was very real. I'm teasing you when I... But, I mean, at the same token, I just have operated on a very different thing. My name's been on everything since I started and I haven't been worried about people figuring out who I am and maybe that'll prove good or bad in the future,

but I don't know. Hiding myself, putting behind, like, behind an alter ego or something, it just didn't make sense. It still doesn't make sense. But in the early days, we would record like this. In the dark days. And then I put a white 222 minutes over your head.

Yeah, but it didn't follow my head around. So like when I was getting particularly animated about whatever stupid thing, Christia Freeland was doing that fucking week, then, you know, you'd see a little eye pop out here, you know, a little bit of my grin on one side. I'm going to be honest, I wasn't going through it. I positioned it the best I could right in the middle. And I'm like, yeah, this would get the most of it.

Yeah. I could have put the entire screen as 222. minutes, I guess. That may have been smarter. Probably would have been easier, too. Oh, well. Live and learn. Live and learn. I actually can't remember how the heck I did that.

Magic. No, I must have went through the entire episode and had to... Well, no, no, because the box didn't move, and so if I moved around... No, no, no, but I wouldn't have moved it. I just would have clipped it to the times you were speaking. Right? Because I... No, because we were always on screen. We were split screen.

Never mind. You're right. You're right. Yeah, it was fine. It was worth it. And you told me that you found like the OG mashup videos. I did. I found the first five. I did. Nice.

Yes. I went on, look, I knew I'd saved him somewhere. I just couldn't remember where I put them. They were right next to a folder labeled boxo porn. No. They were in a drawer with about four other hard drives where I've been storing stuff from the early days of the podcast. And so I just started, you know, the cords of them suck eventually.

Yeah. And so, like, I had no cord for two of them, so I just have never been back on them. And then I finally decided to get a new cord, and then I started looking into them. And wouldn't you know it, there's the early days of the podcast, and certainly the early days of the mashup. And I think we have five that were never aired. No, they were aired. They just got put on Rumble, but we remember the early ones, we didn't even, they were private. So we only sent them to like people we knew. Yeah. Yeah, I think there was about 10 people

total. I went back before the last interview with Daniel Smith. I went back and listened to my interviews with Daniel Smith. And I'm talking to her about it. She's like, well, you got to air them. I mean, we're all going to be excited to see what your new adventure is. Little did she know. Little did she know the new adventure was 222 minutes coming on the show once a week. Oh. She gave me one of the best compliments. I think I've ever gotten. When we were at the AGM, so all of a sudden,

we get the, for those of you who don't remember, weren't there, hadn't heard about it, we decided to get one of the hospitality suites. And why would you do that? Well, because it's fun, and it'll be fun,

and because nobody's ever tried something like that before for a podcast, and it'll be fun. And so then we're hanging out. We run a line up out the door all night of people just waiting to find space to get in. We didn't have a bouncer. There just wasn't room in the room for people to get in. And all of a sudden, there was a couple really serious looking guys.

Yeah. Looking overly formal. Correct. Walking in and around and looking like raptors. I'm like, what the heck's going on? And then I'm just thinking, I'm like, I'm going to go talk to whoever this is because this is weird. And then in walks Daniel Smith. And she was talking to you because I was over on the other end of the room.

And so I made my way over. And she goes, you could just see it on her face. She goes, so this is twos. Yes. Not that I wanted her to hate me or anything like that, but just the fact that you've somehow found it. onto her radar? Well, I don't think anything

I've ever said about her has been particularly unfair. You know, like, if I ran into Jagmeet Singh at some point and he had the exact same reaction, I would just laugh at him and call him a buffoon or something like that.

But just the fact that when it comes to, like the NDP, I don't know if I've ever mentioned before, but they're not a serious party. But when it comes to people like Daniel Smith or Pierre Pollyev, I would still like to see them do well. And so I'm just, I mean, I'm calling balls and strikes regardless, I think,

pretty fairly. And so when I say that I think Danielle is screwing something up, it's not because I'm going after her. out of malice. It's because I think she's screwing something up. Screwing something up. And so yeah, that

I took that as meaning that she was aware that people thought that she was being suboptimal, which I mean, if you look at the way the budget has exploded, because that was the big thing for me at the time

that I'd been talking about was just how incredibly much How incredibly much money. Grammar aside, the point stands that the Alberta government was spending, accomplishing absolutely nothing. Or at least for the amount of money that was being spent, it just seemed ludicrous to have that little to show for it. Yeah, I've pondered how much pressure she's under, right?

Mm-hmm. I assume a lot. Yeah. Well, but then I go back to, you know, because like I listen back to Daniel Smith. I just said this on with, was it Rob Anders or was it a different conversation? Well, that depends. I could probably tell you. Well, I was saying that I went back and listened to the Daniel Smith interviews from before when she was just a podcaster.

That was Rob Anders. And she talked about how there will never be another conservative government elected federally. So I go, that's the Daniel Smith I remember. Now, every time I talk to her, she probably becomes a bit more of a politician. And in fairness, I probably become a bit more of a journalist, which is there's certain things you try and steer into. There's certain things she tries to steer away from. And it's just... It's a dance.

It's a dance, right? And so I wonder, and I think a lot of people wonder what actually goes on that makes her have to steer away from, you know, like, the pension plan the police force immigration all the things and then she'll talk about well these are all the things I'm doing

one of the things that you know the Rob Anner's thing was really good but the thing that just jumped at me was that he said there was a KPMG study that said that they

spent that the OPP costs something like $10 to $20,000 less per police officer than the RCMP. And I was like, what? Why haven't I heard that yet? That's something that... Should be on front of the newspapers? Yeah, well, I mean, you think about it.

Look at how much money got spent on the ostriches. Yeah. Look at how much money got spent on... you know having a special task force looking at teenage kids look at how much money is getting spent on on staying in Canada no no no no no the point I'm trying to drill down here on is that the RCMP has become so politicized that their enforcement of stupid government bullshit costs a lot of money and just on that alone as a concept, it should be quite easy to say that, you know what,

even if you've got a duplication of efforts at higher levels, because now you're going from one organization to two, you're not gonna be spending something like what, a couple hundred million dollars or whatever the hell it was, just as some random number, to shoot a bunch of ostriches in the middle of the night after you set up a whole bunch of bales

to make sure nobody can see it, And you've got however many dozen police officers there around the clock. You're not going to fly a bunch of them out to Ottawa to stomp on old ladies and walkers. All of that shit costs money. And an organization that isn't politicized doesn't even have the opportunity to spend that fucking money on those fucking things. Now, as far as your point about how much money's been spent to try and convince Alberta that, hey, actually, we want to. want you to stay. The interesting thing is, I mean, there's a lot. There's a lot there. The details are starting to come out of that pipeline deal. And to quote Land Ocalerician,

this deal fucking sucks. Apparently, we're going to be giving royalties to BC for the privilege of having that pipeline buried in their dirt. And David Eby, imagine how easy it would be to be that stupid. Like, just to be simple enough to just live inside an NDP brain and not even have to worry about where the edges of it are or how smooth they are. Just do-to-do-do-do-do. There's so much space here.

There's so much room for activities. if Alberta as a province or the companies within Alberta or however it is needs to pay the BC government for the right to have their transportation infrastructure cross their borders. There's two major rail lines that run across Canada and they go through Alberta. They go through Saskatchew, well, they go through,

they go everywhere except Newfoundland, right? and if the precedent gets set that if it's your dirt you get to charge a toll Alberta's going to be pretty well set up to be like look how hard do you guys want to make this because every single bullshit thing we get from China which is just about all of them all of it that goes further east than Al-Sask or Lloydminster. I get the fact that Lloyd-Mister gets all the attention for being on the border,

but Al-Sas deserves some love. Okay? So, you know what? It goes Oyen, serial, Al-Sask, and then at that point, it's out of Alberta's hands, and money gets charged. All of that stuff.

Every single fucking TV screen in Ottawa and Toronto and fucking Quebec can have an Alberta thank you very much tariff on it. Toll. The fucking Pandora's box that idiot dipshit is opening by demanding this is fucking laughable. And we're ruining the mash up because this was what I wanted to talk about on Friday. It's all good. Well, I tell you what, this comes out after the mashup. So you're safe. You can do it twice, too.

Oh. All right. So, yeah. The mashup just ruined this. If you're listening to this, which you are, because obviously you're listening to this. Because if you're not listening to this, you're not going to know that I'm saying this. But if you're listening to this, I'm sorry for repeating myself. I would love to be in two's head.

I don't even know. I think it'd be so just like confusing. Why? Because you're just like, obviously you're listening to this. Because if you weren't listening to this, you wouldn't even be to hear me. And you're like, just get to the point, man. Get to the point. Well, I mean, I got to the point.

If you're not listening to this, well, you wouldn't be hearing this in the first place. I sound like a dipship when you say it like that. To be fair, I probably sounded like a dipshit when I said it, though. Ugh. But yeah, the whole Daniel Smith thing, the mashup's pretty rapid fire, so we're probably not going to get as deep into this as my thoughts are. But, well, I mean, I mentioned it before, you know, typical blue-collar guy, provincial bronze medalist in chess.

And generally speaking, when somebody does something, aside from just the straight fucking chaos people, but if people are methodical like Daniel Smith who like you've seen her make mistakes but generally speaking you can see why she thought that was a good idea and some of it she's just been in Edmonton too long but look at what she did with that deal with that MOU and with all of the commitments

that were that she just signed Alberta up for needlessly to get this done. And, you know, if you think, okay, well, she's a federalist, okay, but she's also the smartest woman in just about any room she walks into and seems to be a really good negotiator. And at the very least, she's going to have some people who are very shrewd negotiators around her. So Carney needs this deal to go through because the cash cow is growing wings. And also, there really haven't been a lot of better times in history to be able to export fossil fuels.

The Strait of Hogwarts keeps opening and closing. You know, people want to use Russia less and less. that whole war thing going on Venezuela's in turmoil maybe we've just been here this whole time come dance with us but they didn't want to for years

because because we were too carbon intensive we were dirty we were the fat chick at the sock hop guess what all the other ones left and the lights are coming on so what do you want to do so anyway

guardian plumbing heat he's totally going to pull the sponsorship So. Carney needs this deal for 50 different reasons. The fat chick at the saw cop. Carry on. The lights are coming on. What do you want to do here? What do you want to do?

So, anyway, Carney needs this deal. A hell of a lot more. Daniel Smith, Alberta needs this deal because we've been starving for something good for a long time.

But the terms of the deal suck. And for Danielle to sign off on this, knowing that it's not necessarily that there's strength on one side of a negotiation and weakness on the other. This was one where both were fairly weak. But one of them had the gout, and the other one was Stephen Hawking. Comparatively, comparatively, Alberta was in a position of absolute strength. And so to make all these concessions, when all you really had to say was, you know what, there's this referendum coming up. We pay for everything in this fucking place. Do what you're going to do.

That's all she had to say. She could have been more astute about, you know, more polite about it. I don't know how politicians talk to each other. But this is what I mean. You wonder what actually is going on in the back rooms. But here's, okay. So here's the thing, is if she is secretly a separatist, she wants this deal to not happen and is going to not agree too stupid terms to it,

they're going to probably have some fucking clause in it, saying that if Alberta separates, this obligation continues, she's not going to sign that if she's a separatist. If she's a federalist, she's going to say this is bullshit this is literally what you would be expecting to have happen if we were actually equal partners do you want me to start thinking we're not equal partners quit being a dipshit and let's figure out something reasonable and if she's somewhere in the middle she's going to say something like this deal sucks

and you need this deal a lot more than we need this deal. So when you feel as though you need this deal enough to make a reasonable offer, come back to the table. I can't see any situation where if she is not compromised, but just like there's no perspective where she has this view of the board and making that move is a good move. So why did she do it? Maybe she had no choice.

How? And that's the question we'll never get an answer to. Do you remember when she was running for leadership and every time it came up, I was like, you can't trust her, she's a snake, she crossed the floor. Yes. And over the past few months, I've been looking at it like, well, you know what, if I was a separatist,

that absolutely had to take an outwardly neutral position, I would have done that exact thing, and I would have done that exact thing, and I would have done that exact thing. And now I'm looking at it, and I'm like, no matter what position you have on this, what you just did doesn't make a lick of sense. And so, and that's exactly how I felt when she crossed the floor.

like all she had to do was run a half-ass decent campaign in 2015 and she would have been the premier not under the united conservatives but under wildrose and actually before that because they did the election year early so it would have been 2016 that if she'd run anywhere a half-ass decent campaign she'd have been premier in 2016 and instead she crosses the floor snap election everybody's so fed up with the conservative bullshit that they say, you know what? Fuck you. I get that the only alternative is the NDP, but there's still better than you're entitled fucking asses.

And maybe if you go out and get real jobs, you'll have a little bit more appreciation for how good things were. In the fucking Sky Palace, you entitled Pricks. And that was literally the box they checked at the ballot, word for word. So when she crossed the floor back then, I was like, this, you know, you're, you're on a victory lap. You're so close to the goal. Yeah. Why would you do it?

It's not missing an open net. You're on a breakaway and you just decide to stop at the blue line. What the hell? It never made a look of sense. Like I, and I know that she's revisionist gone back and said, you know what, you know, at the time, we knew that, you know, the left was going to be an issue and we had to bring the parties together. But literally at no point in the history of Alberta had the NDP ever pulled above 15% before that debate that Rachel Notley did very well in and Brian Jean shit the bed,

which he had some very good personal reasons to shit the bed in all fairness. And Jim Prentice wanted to try and tee up Rachel Notley to split the I hate what the conservatives are doing vote and he did it a little bit too well but up until that point they had never been above 15 percent the two the governing party and the opposition decided to merge into one central party when between the two of them they were going back and forth commanding roughly 70 percent of vote because they were worried about the up-and-coming all-time high of 15% vote, the math doesn't add up. There's no way you could look at those numbers at that time and come up with,

let's just go with this. It doesn't make sense. Even if as a whole, they split exactly down the middle with 70%, you get 35, I get 35, and the NDP he scrubs up every single stray vote, they're still not winning. So now we're in a spot where Daniel Smith is making ideas that I can't find a perspective. I can't look at an angle where everything lines up. And I need to chew on it. Maybe everybody else needs to chew on it too.

I don't know. There's a lot of people smarter than me. but I am pretty good at, or at least I feel like I'm pretty good at figuring out why people do what they do. And I can't make heads or tails of that one. I don't know if I'm going to convince you of one way or another. I don't know if I have much to... If I go back and I listen to the early interviews,

one of the things that stood out to me was the comment on there will never be another conservative federal governing party. Another one was just kind of like an off. You know, like once again with Rob Anders brought up the point I asked a question. And then, you know, he kind of danced a little bit. And I came back to it and I said something like, oh, she's a people pleaser, which I think we've heard lots about Danielle that she doesn't. She wants to be, she wants to appeal to everyone. She wants to be everybody's favorite premier.

I don't know if that's true. But when I go back and I listen to the old interviews, she was asking me how. I deal with, I'm paraphrasing because I, you know, I should go back and get the actual quote, but it was, Jamie, pull up the transcript, please. It was basically like, you know, how do you deal with people that hate what you're doing or something like that? And I was like, oh, I just don't read their stuff. And the response, when I think about it, it's curious, how do you do that? And I was thinking, I was thinking, you just don't do it. And now somebody will go back and listen to it.

And it'll be probably said a different way, but you kind of get the point. And back then, even as a journalist, she was. concerned what people thought. And in fairness, okay, that's not a, it's not a terrible quality. I care what people think. I really do. That's why I have the phone line. So people can call and be like, you're an idiot. It's why I let, you know, like I don't mind having it out about, we can argue about what technical is, but like the different things of what's going on. I don't mind that. I like smart people around me to have their way. I always push back, then I go sit and chew on it. And I come back and I go, actually, that's probably a good point. Right. That's pretty much how

I'm wired. But to go through the comments on social media, I'm like, I can't even figure out who a real person is on there half the time. Sure, there's lots of real people on there, but like when I release an episode, I don't even check the comments anymore. That's because they always say twos is their favorite. Yeah, well, that's probably true. But obviously, Daniel did. So she wants to be everyone's premier. And in a time like this, that's almost impossible. because, you know, like, if you watch, she has the left absolutely hating her guts, and she has the right absolutely hating her guts. I'm like, that's a talent.

To have both sides hate you vehemently. Like the left is campaign, she's a tyrant, and the right's going, what the hell are you doing? Everything you just said. I don't know. Was I off base in any of that? No, off base. You were trying to walk yourself through your thoughts on why she's doing what she's doing. why she's giving concessions to a federal government that you don't need to give any

any concessions too why you aren't playing more hardball and she's using the leverage of a pending referendum to get deals done which on the surface look good an MOU for a pipeline to the west we got her pipeline an agreement to build a pipeline to the Ontario if I remember correct yeah you know and and like all the things that people have been wondering, why don't we have a pipeline going to the East Coast? Why don't we do that? I'll tell you why.

I'll tell you why, because it's got to go through Manitoba, and as far as that goes, we're up Shit Creek without a canoe. Did you like that? Did you like that? You might want to clip that later. Okay.

I can't believe, I'm pretty sure I'm the first person to have ever said that, by the way. So on the surface, the deals look like she is getting everything Alberta wants. But then it's the carbon sequestration. It's the how much money.

It's not what we, it's the symptom. We want to live in a country where this amount of pageantry isn't necessary to just conduct daily business. No, but I mean, you're going, no, I understand what you're saying, but if you go back to playing hardball,

the hardball for a lot of people is just getting a pipeline with no strings attached and let's just go and let's build tomorrow. Let's build a pipeline to Ontario with no strings attached. Let's go, let's get private investment. Let's attract things. Let's build things and not have the government. I don't care if we're going to send a fucking pipeline to Ontario at this point.

At this point. I don't know if we've had a more unfriendly neighbor in the world stage. I would probably rather build a pipeline in North Korea at this point. It's politics, man. This is politics. It's theater. All it is is theater. And that's the thing is she's playing into it when she could just sit down at the end of the day and say,

motherfucker, you're the one who wants to do the page. But that's not Daniel Smith. That's what I'm trying to tell you. That's what you've, you've stumbled, you're stumbling back at, it's not Daniel Smith. I don't think that was Ralph Klein. I personally think, you don't like in talking to Rob Anders again. I think that was Steve West. Yeah.

Steve West was the guy that would have sat there and went, yeah, we're not doing that. And this is why we're not doing that. So you either come over to our side and fix these things, or we're not doing that. And we'll wait until you do. You're expecting Donald Trump. Daniel Smith is not Donald Trump. I'm not expecting her to go in there and be like, this is a bad deal. this is the worst deal in the history of bad deals.

I'm just saying she can look at the pieces on the board. I know. I'm not trying. I feel like I'm defending. I'm just, you're trying to wrap your head around it, and I'm just trying to add to it. I'm not trying to argue that you just,

you're perplexed at what's going on, and she's trying to walk a fine line of her base, which wants a referendum. them. I think that's pretty evident. Yep. So she lowers the voting count, the amount of signatures they need. That's a win for that side. Then they go out and get them.

Then the court comes in, shuts it down, and she comes out. We're appealing it. She's playing the game. She's just not playing it only for the separatists or the independence or we're, you know, like. But that's where I was coming from is that no matter where she stands on this. I'd be curious to know. In the Wild Rose days,

was she always for staying in Canada? Was she always the leader that was not going to flirt with that idea? I don't know if she ever talked about it directly, but I... Was Wild Rose a separatist party back then? Or they were just... Somebody who's listening knows the answer to this.

They're going to text me. Because... Like, it's hard because it's a ways back. But it's not that far, back. But a week in politics is a year. I know, but everybody talks about her floor crossing and everything else. It's like, wait a second, I went back like eight interviews ago of her because it's all in there, listened to her before she was ever running. And the thing she said is she'd sit here and agree with us. She'd sit, she'd sit on that chair and she'd be like, yeah, I agree with that. And I agree with that.

But here's the problem with this. And while you got to think about that, maybe we could get something done over here. She was very good at working the room. She still is and you're trying to wrap your head around it. She was the leader of the Wild Rose, and I know the Wild Rose eventually became the Wild Rose Independence Party,

but back in the heyday of the Wild Rose, what did it stand different from than the conservative party? The Prentice conservatives. Quit spending a bunch of stupid money on dumb shit was a lot of it. And they were a little bit more socially conservative as well.

and that's where they got, that's where they got trounced in 2012 during the debate. You know, who's going to be texting me is Dustin. But there's probably a whole bunch of wild rose guys are going to be like, yeah, this is what we were campaigning on. Yeah. Do you think? I want to hear the feedback.

Well, because like to me, she was the official opposition of, for a whole period of years. Mm-hmm. I don't know. Like once again, you can't see inside all the deals. You try and wrap your head. Lots of people wonder if she's been threatened.

I go, I have no idea, right? Well, it's one of those things you can never prove or disprove, but, and it wraps up any bad decision in a neat bow is the trick. That's the, that's the iffy thing. Because if, no matter what angle you look at this from, this was an objectively bad decision. Okay? Well, then presumably she got pushed somewhere behind the scenes to make that bad decision.

But pressured can mean a lot of different things. You look at how many strings the federal government can pull tied to health care funding, for example, things like that, right? Just the money in general. Well, yeah, just there's always strings that tied to the purses. Like, you look at, I mean, I talked about this before, but just how houses are just stacked on top of each other. The new builds, or, you know, I was driving through this new area the other day, and I looked, I'm like, my lot is literally triple the size of any one of these freestanding houses. And in this community, the dirt isn't the expensive part. And yet they're still built the same way that they're built in Calgary where the dirt's pretty fucking expensive.

And so why would they be built the same? Why not build a decent size house on a big lot where the marginal cost is negligible? Because federal funding is tied to zoning with lots built in specific parameters. And that's just what we know about. how many other random things don't we know about? And then that begs the obvious question. If you're against it, why aren't you putting daylight on it? Because I feel like if I was in Daniel Smith's shoes

when this MOU was getting worked out, and I looked at it in its final sign form and said, this is simultaneously both gay and retarded. And then I would do a press conference where I would say the best deal that Ottawa is offering in terms of us being a fair partner in Confederation is this pile of shit. You wouldn't have been able to say it that way. If I was premier, I could.

Yeah, but, okay, sure. But, I mean... I mean, let's carry this thought experiment out to its logical conclusion. No, I understand, but there's a way to do it in a statesman way where you're just like, this isn't good enough. Okay, it's one thing to say this isn't good enough, but it's another thing to say, these are the sticks, these are the carrots, this is why they thought that they could pressure me into agreeing to all of this on behalf of you.

And then all of a sudden, the dynamic changes completely. Because that whole stick and carrot thing, it relies on secrecy. it relies on people openly making bad deals because of backroom carrots and sticks and if you say this is what they threatened us with these would be the consequences and here's what they're offering us in exchange for going along with this bad deal well now all of a sudden mark carney's got to answer a bunch of really fucking uncomfortable questions and I don't just mean from Rosemary Barton where she needs to look inside herself

again lots of room there but why doesn't that happen and that's explain that to me why doesn't that happen because we know there's carrots and sticks I don't but I don't know the answer I mean you've listened to me interviewer how many times and that's the thing is you're not going to get you're not going to get an answer from one of these guys

you might get an answer like that from Rob Anders you know as nothing about him specifically but just because he's a guy who is no longer in the system. If you talk to somebody who has exited themselves from said system

there's a good chance you're going to get some answers or a little more close to the truth. There's probably still a negligible chance you'd get answers but it's no longer zero depending for your thoughts. I just don't know.

I mean what can a guy even say? Is that mashup delicious? That's not bad. Yeah. If, well, I mean, we've asked your thoughts on independence. I think we know where Toos thoughts are on Independence. Do you have a...

No, no, no, no. Go ahead and ask me. Tews. What are your thoughts on Alberta independence? Like, you mean related to the upcoming vote? Yes. Okay. Do you remember the first time that we talked in a podcast

and you asked me if I was a separatist? I can't remember now. I should go back and listen again. Okay. Well, you asked me if I was a separatist. And I'm probably paraphrasing the answer a little bit. But I was like, yeah, and here's the thing, is that one of three things would happen.

Either we separate and become our own country, which would be preferable to this situation. We separate and become part of the state. which could take a bunch of different forms, which would be preferable to this situation. Definitely not like my first choice or even 10th choice. Personally, I'd rather join North Korea than stay where we are right now. So it's not like that's a pro-USA thing for everybody wanting to misquote me on it.

But they'll just cut that out. Or the third thing is, is that we are literally walking out the door. and somebody in honor says Ottawa says wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait what if and then we have that conversation about you know what if you guys just stop being giant assholes and for me

I don't even care about the what if if I'm at the point where I feel as though I have been mistreated so long by a bunch of random assholes who will likely never even set foot on this half of the country.

Or if they do, they show up wear a backwards cowboy hat for five minutes, fuck up flipping pancakes, and then fly back again, and it cost me $83,000 to know that they did that. I don't care. I just want to be gone. If it's more difficult, if it's more expensive, and I don't think it'll be more expensive.

But this negotiation, look at this pipeline. This is the kind of deal you would work out with another country where you'd say, hey, I'm Switzerland and I want to build a pipeline for recola lozenges to get to tidewater. And then you work it out with Germany. And Germany says, yeah, that is good. It is good.

but we need some. We need something. And then you work that out. This is not the way Confederation works, even with this fancy new deal. I'm not really interested in anything that gets offered. I just want to be gone. And I know that the terms are favorable for us,

but even if they weren't, I would be happy with, things being more difficult, but knowing that we're not sending tens of billions of dollars a year to people who are actively making it more difficult. And I guess then the final question becomes, what's your favorite memory from a road trip? I mean, aside from Lady Gaga? Yes, aside from Lady Gaga. As a kid?

As a kid. Or as a father? Well, I'm going to do both. As a kid, it wasn't really the road trips so much, but, you know, we'd go, like, not the driving, but trips to, like, Waskasu, going to big Olaf's and then fishing off the breakwater or, you know, going up to Loon Lake and fishing. I just, yeah, I like fishing. and as a grown-up about five years ago took the little point-toos oh and actually on the first day of the road trip the odometer hit two-two-two-two-two-two-two so that made it extra awesome but did a big tour started off in southern Saskatchew and went up came back and we hit every single one of the world's biggest things

along the way. And at first, it was like, why are we stopping? What are we doing? What is going on? And then it was like, oh, what's next? And, you know, by the time, by the time we went to Ernie on our way back, shout out to Turtleford. They were just like, oh, this is, what's the next one?

And what's the next one? And what's the next one? Oh, the world's biggest pisanka. You know, it was a little bit before that or after that. And then, you know, Monday, the world's biggest sausage. But there's quite a few of them along the way. And it was just this silly thing that you could do that a kid, it never even occurs to a kid that there could be so many things like that.

Like you could drive south for half an hour from Lloyd and go see the world's biggest softball at Chauvin. Right? And what do you do? You stand there and you take a picture. I think the first thing we hit was Drum Hallard. But that might have been a different trip. But doing all those goofy things.

And you got a ways to drive back tonight. But when you get back to where you're going, you're not far from the world's biggest Cheeto fingers. And you would be doing your kids a disservice. If I didn't go to the world's largest Cheeto fingers. Yeah. So, I don't know, like there's so many, you're going to be covering so many miles, and I get the fact that lots of provinces, I think, think that those things are stupid. But they aren't.

They're awesome. And I bet you there's going to be a lot of cool things like that in the States where if you just, if you just ask yourself, what's the kittiest, silliest, goofiest thing that you can find? because the other thing you find is that people love it. Like Vulcan, I remember talking to a lady from, it was like tourism Alberta or something like that, but she lived in Vulcan. And she probably talked to me for about a half hour about Komini, the guy who was Chief O'Brien in TNG, and then, shoot.

I don't know. He's captain in, I want to say Babylon 5, but it's been a long day. And, well, because I worked with him in hell on wheels, right? Okay. And she was talking about how he comes back for almost all the Comic-Conn's in Calgary, and he's been out to Vulcan so many times, and all of the awesome things that he just shows up for. He doesn't get paid to show up in Vulcan, Saskatchewan.

Or Polka, Alberta, pardon me. He just thinks it's neat and likes supporting them and appreciates the amount of love that he's gotten for the character that he's played for so many years. And you're going to find so many cool things like that along the way. You're going to go to some random place in the middle of nowhere that's got some interesting thing, and people love it. Like, did you hit up the Gopher Hall Museum on your way down?

I did not. I know. I know. I know. We stopped at a Buffalo farm, Bison Farm. Yeah. Yeah. And then if you'd have had to leave one of your kids there, you would have had to say, Bison. You drove right past the Gopher's Whole Museum,

and you didn't... I don't know if I've ever been more disappointed. Like, I've been telling you about it. I know. We wanted to do this at the Gopher Hall Museum. and the timing didn't work for us to go out there. I'm disappointed in you. We probably could have just reached out to them

because here's the thing. Like you talked to the lady who runs it. She loves that place. And rightly so. It's so cool. We probably could have just called them and been like, hey, can we go out there like 8.30 at night and just sitting there for like two hours and talk?

And she would have said, that's about the strangest thing I've ever heard, aside from having a museum full of stuffed gophers. But you're going to have so many people who have so many cool things that they love locally. What we should do is do a live mashup from the gopher home museum in a year's time. Yeah, absolutely. There, settled. Now you don't have to be disappointed with me.

Great idea, Sean. I can be disappointed with you for a year. That's fine. That's fine. That's probably acceptable. Yeah. But there's so many communities that you're going to be. be driving through.

And aside from Manitoba, they're all going to have something to be proud of. I'm excited for Manitoba. I get to sit with Jocelyn Berziak. Oh, give her a hug for me. Very excited to sit with her. Peter, if you're listening, we're going to be down in Clefield, Manitoba. And go into the land of milk and honey. I hope to find an old bee farmer, Peter.

and sit and talk some bees. And we're going to see what other conversations we can drum up in Manitoba. Are you going to go to Flynn Flon and see the big leprechaun ass? No. Why not? Because I'm pulling a trailer. And it's like a thousand kilometers out of the way?

Correct. That's probably fair. Are you going to go all over these places? No, probably not. We're going to try and do our best. because whether you know you're just in there for a day or a week to take the time to drive hundreds of kilometers

to go see things you know like that's why I like the way down we got to see the bison farm that the syc bison farm that was super cool they were like super I don't know just courteous and like invite us in and fed us rhubarb cake it was fantastic

I got some I've actually got some ground bison in the fridge right now. They sent us with six Bisenbergers. So when Zane and Brian came out and changing tires on the trailer, fed them Bison burgers, so it was a great little night.

Yeah. Yeah, well, that's one thing about whether it's the mash-up community or the, you know, there's obviously a blend, but the mash-up community is a cult following, I would say. I love it.

And then... I'm astounded that anybody listens on any given week, and I appreciate the hell out of it. And then the podcast crew, they're blended. Like some of them listen to all of it. Some only listen to certain episodes. Some only listen to the mashup.

But on and on it goes. And regardless, that community has been outstanding in the first four days of getting on the road. Like, it's been super cool. And I hope to run into more of them, right? Like, you go to go for a whole museum. I went, can you imagine if, like, Jamie, like, I mean, I get to go sit with Jamie and interview him in his campground about his campground. He'll probably be cutting the grass while you do it.

Yeah, he was telling me, I'll let him tell you. It doesn't matter. Okay, now I'm curious. Yep. But, yeah, like, I'm really curious or, I guess, excited to run into, like, Earl Whaley, Wally, sorry, Earl. He always comments. He's out in Ontario, and I'm hoping to bump into him. So shout out to Earl.

Because he's like, I'm driving truck, and I don't know if we can run each other. and I'm like, we'll make it happen. Like, we just will. And I'm excited for that because then you get to run into these people that have been a part along, you know, the journey. And every time I do, everybody's been awesome. So I'm excited for that. Now, any final thoughts before I let you get?

And Jack's texting me again. So any final thoughts before we hop out of here? You left a few boxes at my place, including a whole bunch of swag. Yeah. How much swag are you planning to give out on this trip? I hadn't planned on giving out any I didn't know how to carry it all And I'm gonna give me

Are you gonna go through every part of this trip And be like you're an idiot Or at some point you're just gonna be like I kind of get it You got three kids and a wife And you're carrying all the stuff No? Oh I get that absolutely

And I think the trip is awesome But I just think that you should have spent more time On a whiteboard Before you got going And I get the fact that that's much more of a project manager than a blue-collar thing to say. But, you know, if you're going to bump into somebody

who's a long-time fan of the show, that's going to be cool. But if you give them a hat, that's extra cool. Fair enough. Just get a bunch of stickers at least. They hardly take up any space. Leave it to twos to give me good ideas as we're heading. Yeah, you're not going to listen. You know what?

If Jack tells you you should give out stickers, maybe I listen to that. It should probably be giving out some stickers. Jack, if you're listening, just so I can give Jack credit or anyone else. Anyone else want to text me? When you listen to this, you say, Sean, stickers would be great. Then on the next mashup, I'll make sure to give credit to the audience. And I'll forget all about two saying it. That's exactly what I've come to expect from you.

Well, I wouldn't want to, you know, disappoint. point. Tews, thanks for doing this. And, well, we're going to certainly be seeing each other

on the mashup, but it'll be a while until we're back in person. So have a safe trip, man, and enjoy it. But, you know, kind of,

I think it was what Rob was saying, just about the hidden gems and stuff like that. Yeah, if you're just looking at what that community has that they're proud of,

it doesn't need to be something big or flashy or sexy or exciting. Sometimes it will be. This is the best strip club in Iowa, right? But the donut shop in Crossfield? Yeah, exactly. It didn't disappoint.

Oh. No. Vave vault with the actual vault door from the bank. Well, you come for the donuts and you stay for the visit with twos on the couch. And you just bring them a donut. I'm going to get so fat after this. Yeah, well. Hey, at least we'll be matchy, matchy.

Oh, really? Really? Okay. Tews, thanks for doing it. We're just going to end this with a handshake. Yeah, we are. Absolutely. All right.

Until we meet again. Absolutely. It's not goodbye. I'll see you soon. It's not me. It's you.