Shaun Newman Podcast - #1105 - Jasmin Laine

Episode Date: August 5, 2026

Jasmin Laine is an award-winning former broadcaster, political commentator, public speaker, and host of The Jasmin Laine Show. A veteran of Canadian radio, she previously served as morning show host at CHWE (Energy 106) in Winnipeg, co-host of Wheeler & Tyler, and evening show host, before transitioning to independent media as a keynote speaker and commentator focused on politics and current affairs.Cornerstone Forum 26’https://shaunnewmanpodcast.substack.com/Silver Gold Bull Links:Website: https://silvergoldbull.ca/Email: [e-mail] Grahame: [phone]Bow Valley Credit UnionBitcoin: www.bowvalleycu.com/en/personal/investing-wealth/bitcoin-gatewayEmail: [e-mail] Get your voice heard: Text Shaun 587-217-8500

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Welcome to the Shaw Newman podcast. Today I'm joined by Jasmine Lane. So, ma'am, thanks for bringing me into where the sauce is made where the magic happens. Oh, thank you for being here. I actually, I think you're like the second person to ever come in here. Well, I feel honored that. When I was looking, you know, when we were doing the mapping of the road trip, I was trying to be like, okay, from a Canadian perspective, who do I want to sit down with Manitoba? And I do have like a list of guests I've had from Manitoba, some of which are here,

some of which aren't here anymore. And I'm like, okay, Jasmine Lane is going to answer my text and I'm going to find her wherever she is. I'm going to work her out if it's got to be midnight. And, well, we've made it happen. So I finally got here. People heard last week. because I was just recording an intro in your living room.

So they're going to know a little beforehand that you're coming on. But either way, super cool. It's been like 300 episodes since you were on. That's actually really wild to think about. Like time flies really fast, I've noticed. Because even when you first came here, I was our first time ever meeting in person, but I felt like I just saw you last week.

Well, I was saying to you that if you go back and listen to the first conversation, We kind of just hop on to it like we've both been on radio together for a long time. And so we start jabbing at, you know, you being from Manitoba, me being originally from Saskatchewan and the divides there and everything else. So it was a, it's a fun little chat. I mean, obviously we're talking about politics and everything else. Now, what we were talking about back then, though, was the election coming out, right? And so you think of how quickly time has flown since then because obviously Mark Carney got elected.

And, you know, and now we're under another liberal. government since then you know um you've interviewed pierre a bunch of times and i see your like your stuff gets sent to me all the time i i think maybe i'm i'm overplaying that a bit but like at the same token i'm like i feel like you've been relatively successful maybe very successful i don't know like you're interviewing pierre so it's been cool uh to watch and when you came out to i think it was a conservative a gm does that sound right like the convention the convention yeah yeah i was like i didn't recognize half but I'm like, I know who that is, and I know exactly why she's there, or I think I know exactly why she's there, because I got to know you a little bit and hear your origin story and why you're

in it. And, you know, so when we were making our road trip across, you know, the plans to come through Manitoba, I'm like, well, I know the one person I've got to try and track down in Winnipeg, and I'm glad we can finally make that happen. So thanks for doing this. Now, I guess since we know each other, this is usually one of my final two questions. But as I told Jossum Berziak, since you've been on the podcast before. I'm just going to start with it, and we'll see where we get to. Yeah.

October 19th in Alberta, there's this little old thing all the referendum happening. And I've been asking every Manitoban, every Saskatchewan folk that I can find, and as we go across Canada, I'm going to ask them as well. What are your thoughts on it?

Because, you know, like, you've done a ton of research and do a whole bunch of things. And once again, I point people to the first time you're on because, you know, you kind of stunned me with, you know, knowing about the, and things like that way before anyone.

And I don't know. What do you think about Alberta Independence or the referendum happening? Do Manitobans care? Do they even talk about it? I can't say anybody from here talks about it at all. Not in my circles, at least. But I think that's because a lot of people in Manitoba, for the most part, are very much concerned with what's happening in Manitoba.

And then there's also, I guess, the few people who would talk about it are like, wait, no, take Southern Manitoba too. because it's very conservative down there. It's the city where it gets you. But I think overall, I've had so many people ask me, like, why I don't talk about it more. And my reasoning is really just, like, I'm not from there. And so I feel like I'm a terrible spokesperson for it. Not to mention the fact that ultimately, I completely support and believe in democracy, full stop.

Therefore, it's your democratic right to hold that, to have that vote. it's important. And if you, if it wins, I cheer you on. And if it fails, I cheer you on for, for trying, you know. So that is something really important to me. I think at the bare minimum, the conversation, and it's actually, this is one of the things that makes it so disappointing how the media has has really turned this into something so yucky. Note how they'll always find a way to bring American-style politics Donald Trump into things because it's the first way to shut down any sort of dissent. Because even with this, like, it's so disappointing that,

and sure, yes, there have been some things that have happened that were kind of unfortunate for the movement, fair enough. But it's so disappointing that this conversation, which is so vitally important to the entire fabric and structural issues that we have within the country as a whole. and it's been plagued with all of this nonsense commentary about it. I was actually just listening, unfortunately, to curse of politics where they had people on and they were talking about how tomorrow was,

she was at the U.S. embassy or the residence, sorry, for the 4th of July. And oh, yeah, she's the one who's going to be negotiating all of the lines of Alberta separation with the Trump administration because she's going to the White House. And I'm like, guys, like, come on. It's so disappointing to me, but I think in general, it's really important to talk about. It matters. And I would also argue that no matter what, there is going to ideally be a positive takeaway in terms of what that conversation brings because it's an important thing that so many people

don't recognize. Even Manitoba as an example, like we're not really a revenue generating province. We certainly do not take the share when it comes to. What do they call that the payments or whatever? Equalization payments. We certainly don't take the largest share of that by any stretch, but ultimately there's so many people from this province who have no idea how much Alberta actually funds our economy.

And it's just really important to understand all of these things for why things have gotten so wrong. And it's almost like the classic liberal deflection tactic. You just deny and you create a villain. And unfortunately, the villain has, has ended up being the very people who were screaming out for help that you ignored. And if you don't like it, you think they're too loud. You think they're too angry.

Maybe you shouldn't have ignored them for so long. Yeah, it's interesting. The conversations I've been exploring with Manitobans, whether it's been on the podcast or just like at campgrounds, I was telling you, you know, we're camping at different spots through Manitoba. And even today, I went out for lunch with a buddy and everybody, runs into me is like so we're going to talk to politics of like I I guess if that's what you like if you exist sure and uh you know like it's been really interesting because like for you know probably

since the last time we chatted I even said it to you they're the likely outcome of a liberal win the group that was pushing for that in Alberta was like the best thing for us is a liberal win and I actually laughed at myself because you know that's almost 300. episodes ago and I'm like and if the liberals win there's going to be this huge surge and people wanting out like they're just they're tired of what's going on they have no say and you know I think it took longer than what the people talking about it thought it would take but I mean october 19th and people will get into the weeds about and it rightfully so a referendum to have a referendum but regardless there's a question on whether alberta should start the process of leaving

or having a question to start the process on leaving. And I mean, when we were first talking, and I said that, I don't even think it's not that it didn't register with you. It's just like it was kind of like this far off thing, yeah, sure, right? Like, but we've got an election coming and let's see if Pierre can pull it off. And then, you know, the liberals Carney got in. And then, you know, like Donald Trump, we were chuckling about Trump, you know, all the things he was saying and how he'd wanted to deal with the liberal government

and, you know, all these things. and you think now how many years were past that. And now all I can hear everywhere I go, and I'm married to an American, so it's very strange to me. The Americans don't give a crap. I was down there. They don't even know what trade war is going on.

They have zero clue. They live like two hours from the border, and they still don't give a crap. Where in Canada, it dominates everything. Donald Trump this, Donald Trump, that, Orange Man, Bad. I guess if I were to switch things over to where Carney and Trump and all that, that is more an entirety of Canada.

What are your thoughts on Carney, Trump, trade wars, everything that seems to be going on right now? Okay, so we have what, like five hours or something? Yeah, we got plenty of time. Oh, gosh, I don't even know where to start. Well, I've been talking about the Canada-U.S. relationship for a long time. The last year plus. I've talked about it every single day.

I've interviewed the U.S. ambassador more times than CBC or CTV has. I have a lot of friends who are American. I also live very close to a border. When I grew up, I was living much closer to it. I think there's so much to pick apart with it. The obvious, you know, the short version of it all is, oh, this is so very obviously strategic. It is, it's almost irrelevant, and it's proven to be irrelevant by every single time that everybody freaks out about it. Like, you know, let's just be real for a second here. So either. Canada is actually diversifying away from America successfully, which the fact that our U.S. import or exports increasing in this year would suggest otherwise. And Canada's doing amazing and we do not need America.

And yep, it's just going to be team Canada forever. Okay, well, if that's the case, then why do you freak out every single time Trump blinks twice in a row? Like, that doesn't, you can't have that. That doesn't make sense at all. You don't panic over things that you don't care about. you panic over things that really matter. And I think that Mark Carney has brilliantly used that strategy of Trump. And mind you, this is something that the liberal establishment in the media across the Democrats,

across, you know, obviously in Canada as well, that they have just so very successfully smeared Trump, they smear and they poke and they poke and they poke. And they think that they're so much better for what reason because you exist? That's not how things work. And to me, I think that a lot of, I think a lot of it comes down to ultimately a population who is not doing okay. You know, the fact that even Canada went from 6 to 25 on the World Happiness Report, it was the largest drop since that report was actually created. That shows you, we are not doing okay. And I think that there's all of these details and indicators and it is so much easier to paint a villain.

And that's not to say that Trump tariffs don't suck for the industries that are impacted by them. But do you want to know what I hear when I go to Eastern Ontario and I'm meeting with manufacturers, CEOs, major business leaders, the makers and taxpayers of our country, they're worried about China. And a lot of them actually say, thank goodness for Donald Trump because he is the only person who is actually saying anything about the fact that China has been stealing all of our patents. they've been spying on us. X, Y, Z. Nobody in Canada has that conversation. And I just think it's, I think the whole thing is really foolish. And I, you know, dare I say, it's, it's almost like the expected outcome of the post-modernist

worldview, which is that you don't necessarily deal with absolute truths. And, you know, everything is kind of subject to who said it, what it makes you feel like. And that's been Canada's entire regulatory environment for the last 10 years. That was Justin Trudeau. He went on, I can't remember which network it was now, but he went on a network when he first became prime minister, 2015, and he declared that Canada was going to be the world's first post-national state with, you know, no center, no center post at all. Well, what happens after years and years and years of governing in that type of an ideology where you don't have founding principles that ground you. your founding principles ebb and flow and they blow in the wind.

Well, you're going to be pretty screwed. And he was, and Christia Freeland admitted it. And then all of a sudden, Mark Carney comes in, and I don't believe for a second that Mark Carney came in to save Canada. I think Mark Carney came in to save globalism because it had been rejected by Americans twice at that point. And now it was starting to be rejected by Canadians as well. And again, even with that, it's like, well, no wonder why they hate Donald Trump so

much. No wonder why they hate Pierre Polyeves so much because a populist movement, which they've now obviously tried to vilify at nauseam, in history, like honestly, if you go back, historically speaking, the only time that populist movements have ever risen has been a result of the postmodern experiment failing. And so it is the most predictable natural cause and effect. And that's not to, you know, I'd be remiss if I didn't also mention in terms of the anti-Americanism, which, Canadians have always had. And to me, I don't know, maybe this is just how I was raised, but like, if I actually thought I was better than somebody, I don't think I would behave the way that most Canadians do. So to me, it comes a lot more as insecurity and weakness. And again,

it leads to what I had said previous, where all these people who are just freaking out and panicking. But then in the same breath saying, oh, well, we're fine. New World Order, baby. like elbows up for China. We don't need it. We don't need the U.S. Oh, okay. So then if if that's true, then all of your reactions to Trump are irrelevant, right? Because what he said is irrelevant because it doesn't matter, but it does matter. And I think that that's going to be such a big downfall to Mark Carney. I've been saying this for a while. And I think you see it already in some in some polling, but it's still probably too soon to tell. But he needs Trump. He needs Trump. He would not have won if it was not for Trump. And I wish a lot that the Conservative Party of Canada federally had a different messaging

tactic going into that. Like that was the rug got pulled from under them without a doubt. That's really too bad. But I wish that they had a different messaging tactic because a lot of what they said sounded a lot like the liberal government, right? And so you have this guy come in. He's like this elite technocrat, globalist, W.E.F. Like, it. keynote speaker. And of course, he's able to position himself as the man in the room. Oh, my gosh. That populist Pierre Paliev, he could never figure out all these things about the economy. Oh, me, you know, I used to sign documents. I can totally handle Trump. I'm the crisis guy. Well, what does your record show? In fact, it doesn't show that at all in any respect.

And the media was incredibly disingenuous about that. I think they're totally complicit. Could you imagine, like, the amount of scrutiny that he didn't. get because they saved it for the leader of a foreign nation and for the conservative party. Like, I see right through you. And I just think so much of it is completely hollow. And it's incredibly sad. It's incredibly sad. Like, I just feel like Canadians got so duped. And I want to be very clear as well in saying that I don't have these opinions because I vote conservative myself. Like, I have these opinions because I'm not an idiot. And I just, like, I can't, it's not even, it's not partisan to me.

It's like, this is just reality. It's true, but. With all due respect. Yeah, well, one of the things that impressed me about you was, you know, you were talking about, I want to say, was it the club of Rome or something like that in the first one. And I was like, how old were you even still in that? And you're like, well, I started reading things about, um, oh, my goodness. goodness, he ran for Al Gore. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

You listen to Al Gore, and he said some things, and then you went back and you, like, went into this deep dive research, and I was like, most people don't do that. He, I read things that, or he said things at this speech that scared me. Right. So I had to make sure. You had to make sure. And so you went into it.

And I was saying to you, most people don't do that. Like, most people don't hear something and go, what? I'm, you know, and I say that as I got an audience that certainly does that. But, like, most everyday Canadians don't hear something. and then all of a sudden, you know, like the New World Order. When Carney said it, I'm sure all of us leaned in and looked around and we're like, we all heard that, right? You want to know what we all did?

We all did the Scott Moe. Yeah, we all did the Scott Moe. That's right. And yet most other Canadians don't register New World Order or anything. I would argue most of them don't know what that means, even though it comes up, which always makes me laugh, on like every YouTube video, whenever I will play a section of Mark Carney's speech or something where he says that. Or if I say it and elaborate.

on it, there's always a Wikipedia. New World Order is a conspiracy theory about a technocratic government trying to, you know, have all the different, have all the powers in the world, yada, yada, yada. And it's like, man, you guys, like, you're so emboldened by this guy that you're just saying it plainly right now in China. I've been having some interesting, because, you know, like, run into, like, everyday Manitobans in campgrounds and elsewhere. I'm so sorry to hear that. I don't know. I tell you what, you know what? If I had to come through. and done this trip and got to run into people. I don't know what I thought of Manitoba.

It's not that I looked down on it, but certainly coming from Saskatchew. We have our friendly rivalries and everything. Yeah, well, you know, we don't at least put like watermelons on our heads. Yeah, well, no, only the cool kids do that. And it's funny. I have like really, really enjoyed our time in Manitoba.

It has been, I think people have been wonderful. And so I've entered into a few conversations where people don't know who Sean Newman is, which has been fun. and I've just kind of, you know, ask some questions. And I can tell by the, okay, so you probably voted NDP and you probably like Mark Coney. And I just keep ceding some questions just to see where it goes.

And most of them are unhappy with what's going on. And when asked about Carney, by and large, it's a product of Trudeau, I think, which is everybody was fed up and done with Justin Trudeau. And so then they wanted a grown-up, somebody who was firm. and so you get Mark Carney and he comes in and he's playing tough with Trump sort of and I don't know if it's the way the media slants that

or if it's his speeches or whatnot but you know like I was having a different conversation now I was just like okay but if you're sitting at the negotiation table and you literally have nothing like our largest trading partners in the United States that's not a shock to anyone and we can all say you know we shouldn't rely on one person or one country, fair.

Now, do you try and bargain in the middle of that while your one trading partner, your largest trading partner, your longest ally is sitting there? You should probably spend the next two decades working to remove some of that reliance. So then when you do come to the bargaining table, you can actually sit there and go,

we're just not going to do that. This is why we're not going to do that and have cards to play. That's what Donald Trump looks like he's doing to me. It's like we actually don't need everything you go. We got places all over the world. we still want it, but we don't need it. And when you hear that, it's like,

I understand the emotional outrage and why at times I think I'm beginning to understand why people like Kearney. I don't fully understand it because I'm like, if you just do some surface level digging, though, you know, and once again, sitting across from you, that's, you know, like, that's what you're doing for a career.

And certainly in my world, I've talked to enough people in politics to have a basic, BA understanding of it. And I look at it and I just like, oh man, how is it that the surface level is just appealing enough that Canadians aren't like,

this doesn't make any sense. Like, you know, like, this doesn't make any sense. They are our largest trading partner. If we do this, this will harm us way more than it's going to harm the United States. Once again, the United States,

all the people I talked to didn't even know there's a tariff war going on. They just went, I don't know, Trump's terraforming everybody right now. sucks to be you guys, pretty much. Like, you know, when we're talking about tariffs on hockey sticks. And somehow I'm like, why did Canadians even, well, I mean, I get it. Our makeup is hockey, but it's kind of funny.

Like, when I heard hockey sticks, I'm like, really? I think he's gaslighting the Canadian population at this point. I would agree with that. Well, the thing, that's the new, the 3-3-8s. And by law, they had to throw in a couple of extra things. So toilet paper and hockey sticks were some of them. I'm like, you're such a troll. Yeah, in COVID, they, they,

They bought out all the toilet paper. Let's tariff that too. Yeah. Yeah. Screw these guys and their butts. But it's funny because the only time, like, remove COVID in the last couple of years. And now I come from Alberta, so I've got to be careful here because I can't say that about Alberta and I probably shouldn't say that about all the provinces because I'm sure there's

lots of different people in all the provinces pushing hard. But it's funny, the Canadian populace as a whole get more upset about hockey sticks or how rude Donald Trump as being to us and we got to stand tough. You're like, wait, your government for 10 years under Trudeau did exactly that. And it was only a small portion that stood tough. And then when the media lambasted them, there was a ton of people that came, you know, from the West that came in support of them. But by and large, there's still a lot of people that look down on that, which is strange

to me, you know, like when we're talking tough about Donald Trump, it's like, guys, he's a leader of a different nation. I get it. He's got trade deals with us. but we kind of made our bed, right? We keep electing leaders that want to have animosity towards them instead of, you know, the Daniel Smith approach, which I think Albertans really respected,

the West really respected, like, why would we, why would we go after him? Why wouldn't we just go talk to him and hear what he has to say and go, oh, now we can probably fix a couple of those things? You know what I think? The elbows up movement as a whole, as far as I've been able to to surmise in terms of the actual outcome,

has basically been all of the things that Canadians complained about, that experts testified in committee over, that citizens were hurt over, and that they have wanted changed. The government said, shut up, we don't care. Then Trump says it. And then the government says, okay, yeah, we can change that for sure. And then the public goes, wow, we hate Donald Trump. He's the meanest. It's like you guys have been, you guys have hated a lot of these things too. Like the DST Canadians complained about that. The dairy cartel. people have been complaining about that forever. And to my knowledge as well, in terms of Donald Trump, who, when it comes to the dairy cartel,

it's not that he wants everything completely abolished. To my knowledge, it's actually that he wants the American deal to be similar to the quota system and all that that the EU has. Because we have a very different deal with the EU or with European nations than we do with America on that one. And fair enough, I'm like, yeah, that could be a, that's fair enough, I guess. And again, there's been plenty of Canadians who have a complaint. about that too. But, you know, I think ultimately, I'm going to go back to this just because it's so top of mind for me right now. But when you declare your nation a post-national state, when you declare all of these things, even Mark Carney just a few weeks ago said Canada is not a

cultural melting pot. It is a cultural mosaic. And all the pieces, they don't blend together. They're distinct on their own. And the beauty is in the pattern that they create. That's a really big problem when you're trying to govern though because I get it yes it sounds really nice okay sure yes got it but you cannot effectively govern or make hard decisions when consultation matters more to you than construction does and if you have 100,000 different groups to consult with good luck it's not happening and that's exactly kind of what we've seen policy wise here in Canada as well and you know I do think that there are, I think that they, they were, they had such a wonderful, like, brilliant, truly in their ability to just be so dehumanizing and belittling to the United States of America at all

times, even within Justin Trudeau's government. It was constant that people would talk about him disparagingly. You never thought he was going to win again. And then he did. And he remembers all of that. And if there's anything I know about President Trump, it is that he is that he is, he is, is an incredibly, like, respect and loyalty mean a lot to him. And, you know, there's arguments to be made about whether or not he holds up his end of the bargain there. But that matters a lot to him. And I think that his administration has been so disappointed with the talk, because they hear

it. Like, if you don't think that during, you know, Mark Carney's speech at the liberal convention where he's laughing about how hope is not a plan, you should go take a little research in history to find out which communist leaders have said similar things and to talk about how like all of these different things oh what is the one that he said that's on the top the tip of my tongue right now nostalgia nostalgia you know we shouldn't mourn the past if you don't think that inside of mara lago they're not streaming that live on CPAC you're mistaken so they're taking note of all of these things right and i think that there's a lot of Canadians where i also would say the

elbows up movement, and I think probably why it kind of grabbed hold, is that there were so many people who were hurting a lot already when Justin Trudeau stepped down. And in general, to Canadian history-wise, usually about a decade or so is the max that any one party will get and people get tired. And then Mark Carney comes in. And I think that Canadians kind of felt this sense of superiority. Like, oh, wow, we're going to have this amazing banker guy. Oh, wow. He was the governor and he knows the king. Keep in mind, a lot of liberal boomers are still very much, you know, a lot of them have fond memories of Diana. And I think that a lot of people saw that and they thought that that was like an elite thing, not recognizing, of course, the globalism

underneath of it, the Westminster system underneath of it, and all of these things that truly wouldn't you agree the liberals as much as I harp on them? man, they're clever. Like, you're talking about a lot of different things, and all I can think of in my mind is the Mike Myers video. A time of just bringing up the perfect Canadian analogy of elbows up, and we got to go back to the good old days and whatever else Mike Myers said. Meanwhile, Mike Myers, you know.

He cried on stage when he said that he was so proud to be an American. Right. About 15, 18 years ago. So you're like, you know, it just, but, but that isn't the point. The point is, though, and the, the point is, the point is, at the time, it was something just, it felt good. I, heck, I even laughed at the commercial, you know, I was like, that was actually

really good. That scares me, because if I'm saying that, and I know all I know, how many other Canadians went, oh, like, I remember Mike Myers, there was a great movies, and he's a Canadian and a patriot, and we're all going to be, you know, and you're like, huh, for that simple to move you know I sit and I stare at us you know if I was to stare at us too I mean I've been talking politics now for five years

you've been certainly in your current role for several years before that radio before that you were digging into a whole bunch of other things including politics and you go okay if you're talking to the conservative party and saying listen you have a you have a larger problem the West votes for you no matter what

but what I hear from people that like the Liberal Party right now is what I told Pierre couldn't be back when the debates were going on and that was aggressive. I'm like, yet everybody just wanted a grown up in the room to just put Jagmeet sing in his place, tell him to stop barking and let's like get to the real order of business here. If you're the conservative party, like you have to, now you have to win back part of the country

because there's people that are upset in Alberta, It's people upset in Saskatchewan. The other question I got asked the other day was if we'd take part of Manitoba and part of BC with us. And I'm like, well, I'm just a, I'm just a guy going around to do it. I don't have the lead. I'm not a, you know, I'm just a guy asking questions. And I'm like, so Pierre's got a, he's got a, he's got a interesting road to hoe because of not only, like at one point, I think people after COVID and Trudeau stepping down or just before Trudeau stepping down,

they were willing to give him a shot. I think they were like all in. He's going to come in. He's going to change the direction of Canada. And we're going to find out. Now Carney's in and they're like, it doesn't matter. I don't think he can be the guy. But you've got to interview him a bunch.

You sit in Manitoba, which is certainly not Alberta. And I'm just like curious. Like, you know, like the conservative side of it, the best marketing they had once upon a time. And I'm like, was eating an apple. That's all it was. and it blew up. And so I go, why can't they do more of that?

I don't know if you can do more of that, but like the liberals are creative. They are brilliant in executing a marketing strategy to the Canadian populace. Can the conservatives do that? I guess what I'm trying to get to. Can they? Absolutely. Will they?

I don't know. Because there's a lot of influence from advisors and strategists and you name it, who like there is a very orchestrated, attempt, I will call it a coup, to remove Pierre, not because of people who love the country, but because of people who really want jobs in those advisory roles and people who have other personal or financial motives behind it, which makes me feel really sick to my stomach. And that is absolutely happening without a doubt. And so you also have people from his own

side that are attacking them. Yeah. Now, do I think that that will be successful? No. I also think that if we, and I really, I don't, I know that I've interviewed him before. I've interviewed a lot of people, though. Like I have 13 years of interviewing politicians from across the political spectrum. I'm very close with all sorts of people who still do that for a living. There is something about Pierre that is so human. And I think that that's something that a lot of people can really relate. to and I think that that's also why they want him gone so bad and why they villainize him so bad.

Because instead of him being direct and honest, his tone is bad. And then you're made, it's like this virtue signaling weeny whiny, whiny politics that so many people harp on. And you know, at the end of the day, do I, like, I don't want my prime minister to make me feel good. I want my prime minister to do good. And those are two very different things. And I do believe that Pierre would do that. I know there's people who disagree with me on that. And I, I don't know. There's people who disagree with me on that. And I say, cool, who's your recommendation then? A lot in Alberta are starting to point to Danielle Smith. I don't think she would ever do that.

I have no idea. I have no insider ball here to give. Just that how she's handling Alberta. And then there will be people who text me when this air is going, you're an idiot. We're trying to get Daniel Smith removed because she's not doing what the independence people want. No, you get it from all sides.

Yeah, it's an interesting realm. If we lose Pierre, though, truly, and I really firmly believe this, if we lose Pierre, we lose the entire conservative movement. I guarantee you, if Pierre gets removed, you are going to have so many people who actually just leave the country. Like, there are so many people where him potentially winning in the near future, a couple years, ideally, maybe sooner. This is why it's interesting to talk to you, right? This is why I wanted to have the conversation, because I'm, like, you know, in Canadian politics, since COVID, certainly. Like, honestly, I even think for me, if Pierre got ousted, I feel like I would lose a lot of hope. And it's because I don't, I genuinely, I don't trust the people who want to oust him.

I don't trust that you have my best interests at mind. Well, you. And I, like, I've, I've met Pierre enough now as well in interviewing him that, like, again, I don't, I don't get paid to say any of this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't. I love politics. I'm interested in my country, period. The way you talk about Pierre is the way I talk about Daniel Smith. Because I knew Danielle before she was the prime minister, premier.

And like, I believe in him. Yeah, well, I get what you're saying. So this is why I go back to it. It's interesting to sit with you because like when I, what I was going to say is in COVID, I didn't know anybody in politics. And then over the course of five years now, I've got to know what good. And there's been a bunch of people come out of know. and do really amazing content, interviews, just deep dives, digging on all things Canada. And I don't think that was really there before roughly the end of COVID.

And so when I get here, I'm like, well, this is an Albertan who focuses nothing on Alberta issues, partially because we're going to vote conservative. There's federally, there's nothing I can, nah, I shouldn't say there's nothing I can offer. That's a silly thing to say. it's just that in Alberta, when the federal election comes around, everybody's voting conservative. You can just see, it's an ocean of blue. And the place that doesn't vote conservative, you're never getting that anyways. So you might as well just wait for the East to figure it out.

So we've, you know, in my realm, with Daniel Smith and the UCP and everything, Alberta, it's become this conversation surrounding independence. That has dominated the conversation since Carney was elected. It doesn't mean we don't talk about different things going on in Canada, but that has dominated the province or at least dominated Sean Newman for the last bit. So when I come this way and hear you talking, I'm like, this is super interesting. Because I don't sit with Pierre Polio. What I like to?

Absolutely. You're asking me that before. I'm like, absolutely. We got to find a way to set that up. I think that'd be a ton of fun. Go to Ottawa, which I'm going to Ottawa, and sit down with Pierre. Yeah, that'd be a ton of fun. And I think he needs to talk to Alberts personally.

And not just the Albertans who vote for them, the Albertans who think there is no hope anymore in Canada. And there was a growing number of those that just don't think there's any way. And there, a lot of them, if independence fails in October, they're leaving because they do not see a path. Apathy is how they get you. So we're talking about similar things here, but from different perspectives and the end result of it, if it doesn't work, is more people leave Canada. Yeah. Like, how wild is that?

I mean, from where I sit, I've been hearing it since the middle of COVID, so it's not as wild as a, but still, it's like, I was having a conversation earlier day before I came here. He was talking and he's like, you know, I don't know. He's almost whispering at the table. He's like, I just might leave. And I'm like, you don't have to say it quietly, at least not around me, because all I hear is everybody getting in the same conclusion. If something doesn't change, I'm out and I just, I just don't want to be here anymore. Isn't that a sad thing to say?

When I've been in Manitoba and all these interviews I've done and travel in your province, I'm like, this is a gorgeous province. Wonderful people. It's terrible in the winter. But in the summertime, it's pretty great. But so is Saskatchewan and Alberta.

It's not like all of a sudden we get a reprieve because we're just a little bit west of you. Like, yeah, winters are winners. But like everybody's coming to the same conclusion from different stands or vectors that if things don't start to happen, right? We don't start to see common sense return. We don't start to see.

I think people are just tired of it. They're tired of like victim, oppressor narratives. They're tired of, you know, the same pothole on their street that hasn't been fixed in five years. They're tired of how much they pay in taxes. They're tired of going to the mall only to find out that that store they went there to shop at is closed. There's so many things. I think one thing, too, is here's, I don't know, here's maybe a decent example of this. But, you know, Pete Hoekstra, the U.S. ambassador, he's gotten a lot of heat because he frequently says how he's like, I don't understand why Canadians are so upset about what Donald Trump has said.

Like, I genuinely don't understand it. Like, it's been a year and a half. You still talk about it like it happened this morning. There's been so much progress made on other fronts. There's been so much collaboration on other fronts, especially when you talk about firefighting and things like that. Even like Coast Guard services, stuff like that. like there's been so many things that have happened that have been like good, you know, and yeah, Trump is Trump.

So he says things sometimes, but like, I don't get it. And the one thing that I've tried to explain to people is that, and I think that this is kind of, I'm using this as an example about just this really big difference in the Canadian mentality, is that, you know, where Pete comes from, he's an American, and he comes from a nation where it is written into their constitution basically. Like I swear you literally like pop out of the womb and you're pledging allegiance to the flag in some parts of America, right? Like God family country, God country family, whichever one of those ways you want to you want to rattle that up. But he comes from a place where you know what you are made of and you know that you have the opportunity to accomplish it.

And so if somebody steps on you, you say to them, I'm going to make you regret saying that. because you have no idea what I'm made of and you're going to really regret looking over me. And so for him, it's like, oh, challenge accepted. You know, like, yeah, okay, that kind of hurt my feelings, but that's fine. Let's go. And Canada is not like that. And I think, again, I keep going back to this because it's just something that answers so many questions for me, at least in terms of the ideology and also the sociology

behind a lot of what Canada has become in recent years. You have like such a disconnected population for various reasons. you have two-tier policing systems, two-tier legal systems. It's just you don't have the ability to dream big and for it to actually happen for you, which is devastating. And I think that what we are seeing right now is really like the, it's really the worst part about that ideology coming into your governance system, coming into your towns and your communities, where human beings naturally,

we like to do things and we like to have challenges. And you may think you don't, but I promise you, if you were in a situation where you were able to rise above it all and you were able to learn new things and to grow and to have opportunity

and the world could be your oyster if you just wanted to reach out and grab it, that you would have a totally different outlook on life. And it's like in Canada, we've been so conditioned for decline. We've been told that government progress means how many people a support fund is going to help. You know, like when did that happen in Canada where seriously the measurement of how successful

the government was was the fact that this rebate is going to help 1.2 million Canadians. That's not progress. That's a band-aid, you know, that's not progress. The progress would be, we fixed it and nobody needs this program now. that's progress. And so I find that a lot of Americans have that mentality. Like I said, ingrained in them. They come out like Spartans in some places. I've been to Texas. I've seen it. Whereas Canadians are just so different. Like we're so apathetic. It's so easy to be apathetic. And I feel like it's not, it's not inherent to us. And so we feel this way. And it's not, it's honestly, in most cases, it's not even necessarily your fault.

It's the conditions of your environment. And your environment is everything. Yeah, well, I think, in fairness to that statement, I think we have to stop telling ourselves we're apathetic because I don't, I don't see it. Alberta, in Albertans, I don't see apathic, I see. There's people like hungry for. If anything in Alberta, they're hungry for change and willing to fight for change. It's like one of the only provinces, though, on mass. On mass.

I agree with that statement, though, on mass. 100%. But the thing is, is like, we talk about how apathetic. Canadians are. Okay, sure. But then I talked to military guys and they all talk about the history of the Canadian military. Oh, we were badass. We were badasses. And so you go, hey, Canadians, wake up. You don't have to be apathetic. You don't have to listen to the media. Oh, we're just, we're so different. We didn't fight for our freedom. We're just such a kind, loving people. And it's like, no, you can be kind and still stand your ground and say, I'm not doing that. Yeah. Like, that's a silly idea. You know,

You were talking in the last episode, sorry, the episode we first did, you know, like they got all these new terms and we could just call it what it is. That's stupid. Yeah. I think the apathetic thing of Canadians being apathetic, I think it's a lie that we've been propagandized with. We're all so apathetic. We don't know.

It's like. Well, it helps you to justify things. We're up against a lot of propaganda. We're up against a government that would like nothing more than you sit back and not worry about what's going on. and just be happy that you have a roof over your head and a little bit of food and, you know, like no wars going on maybe inside the borders per se. That's kind of almost my point, though, is that inherently that is not actually something

that I think comes natural to most people. And our history certainly would reflect the polar opposite of it. But Canadians are in this place. And I think that's why so many people feel so uncomfortable with it. Like even if you keep voting liberal, you're still sitting there like, angry about things, you know, and you still have these same feelings and there's a reason for it. And I really do think that so much of it is because it's like you've been told a story and that story, it doesn't fit right, you know, because it's not right. And you know that. You just

won't admit it or you know that, but you're blaming something else. You know that, but you can't find the words to explain it. That's why I feel like the elbows up movement was so successful. Because I really, this is so crazy of me to say, but like, I really do believe that at the point that that came to fruition, there were so many Canadians who knew that. And when somebody says elbows up, we're going to stand up, we're going to rise to the occasion, there were so many people who were like, yep. Yes, we are. And instead of pointing it at where we should have been pointing it, they just directed it toward an enemy and everybody went rushing in. That's like, that's my theory of it. because even, you know, this is why I come back to the liberals are so creative when you watch them.

they've had they've had many years though what is it in the last they've been in power for over 60 plus of the last hundred years in governance and keep in mind even our legal system oh there's so many things even our own charter so much of that was written by the liberals like they have become their own lore in Canada and that's why it's so easy to say like oh you're criticizing the government you're anti-canadian no like that is a completely different thing but they really have established themselves in so many ways that I think are subconscious you don't even realize it. So many of the institutions, all of these things, like there just isn't proper representation. In Senate, far from proper representation. You have all these people like Charles Adler sitting as independents. Hmm, okay. Like, you may not put it on paper, but I see. I know. Man, I tried getting Charles Adler on the show once. Because I mean, from Alberta, right? And he agreed. And I was like, oh, man, this is going to be interesting. And then he canceled. And then he never came on. Well, that's too bad. It is too bad. Because I was like, I used to live. listen to Charles Adler when I was a kid.

Yep, same here. And then, you know, like everybody watched him through, you know, the lead up to him getting a point and you're like, they're going to appoint. What? You know, I shouldn't even say what anymore. It's become. Expected. Yeah, they expected.

And like, I guess I look at politics. It's like it ain't going to come easy, folks. It's an uphill battle. And they want to remain where they are. So they're not going to give it to you. You're kidding me? You're nuts. Like, they just ain't going to do that.

So you have to do things outside the box. You know, like, I come back. When it was the Freedom Convoy, I wish anyone in the government would have come and talk. I'm taking my gum out of my mouth and I'm sticking it on the desk beside me. Please cut the camera to you. Okay. She's not doing what she just said. I'm trying to make sure you can't see it.

I flipped over my garbage can so I could put my water on it. You realize if you wouldn't have said anything, nobody would have noticed. But now we went from Freedom Convoy. And now we're definitely talking about somebody chewing gum. She knows better than that, folks. I didn't mean to disrespect those patriots. I'm sorry. It's just when we have a hot topic issue in Canada, like we're talking boiling.

We're talking residential schools. We're talking immigration, independence right now, the referendum. I don't know, the fee simple title thing in BC made. Like I can just go on my hand. And I'm sure you can add four or five. I wish in my heart that Pierre was the first to start talking about those things. Just like, we're going to start talking about this because this is a poor idea. And maybe I'm not giving Pierre enough credit.

But it seems to me, and I'm harping on Pierre, I should be harping on all politicians here. They always gauge the people first to find out what the polling is going to show and to see if it's the right thing to talk about. meanwhile everything is like made like oh yeah that isn't so bad right i remember everybody's talking about it wasn't so bad then it became roughly 5% of all deaths in canada then it became two-tiered track system then it became we're talking about you know mature minors and the people with with depression and like all these wild things everyone when did that happen but if you talk to everyday people everybody knows somebody that's used made which is kind of wild and yet 96%

percent Caucasian. And yet most politicians until it was, they felt like it was okay. And then once again, this isn't all on Pierre. This is on every politician. They wait for it to be like it's okay. And I'll probably get a bunch of texts going, well, here's another politician that talked about right off the hop. And there probably is a ton.

It's just, I guess I'm, I'm. You know what I think it is is there are, there are members of parliament who talk about these things right away. Leslie Lewis? Yeah, especially when they impact their constituents, directly depending on what the topic is. But doesn't it made impact us all? Doesn't immigration

impact assault? Doesn't the fact they'll say it's because they don't have treaty signed, which is true? You know what though? The fee simple title in BC is only going to stay in BC and you're like right and then as soon as they said that then there was like three other provinces have fee simple title claims go against them. It's like

what are we talking about here? These are terrible ideas that if left to their own devices will impact everyone and every problem. The one thing I will say, and I'm not saying this to defend the conservative party as a whole, because I agree with you. I do completely agree with you. Actually, a recent example was even, shoot, what is his name? Corey, something. He's an MP, and he has been talking about introducing psilocybin to treat depression and things like that. And I actually had a conversation with a friend of mine. I'm very on board for that. Obviously, suicide, depression. That's a really passionate topic for me. And I, I, I, I said to my friend, I've been like, you know, there's all these things that the conservatives could be doing right now. And I get it the whole like, oh, yeah, we got a hammer in on affordability stuff. I get it. But why don't you tie that into mental health?

Do you know how many people that would feel heard by you saying that? So not even just to get their vote, but just in general, because people really need to feel heard, you know? And the liberals. And so what a perfect juxtaposition you would have between the two parties. You have the liberal saying, affordability is the best it's ever been in a decade. I'm Mark Carney. I'm going to tax you for breathing air. I'm awesome. And then to have the conservative saying really deeply the impacts of these things. Because when affordability sucks, that ripple effect is deep. And that is real. And I think even for myself, my late boyfriend's mom as an example,

she's pretty liberal, but she hates pharmaceuticals, I would say, for the most part. And she is so incredibly against like SSRIs and things like that. And she would absolutely without a doubt vote conservative for the first time in her life if she was more aware of something like that and that that was a really serious platform of theirs. And so I think I think that the liberals have kind of painted themselves into a box where you have to defend the indefensible because of that you lose the human side of things, which liberals were all known for, the compassion. Oh, you're a good person if you're a liberal. I promise. Don't be like that guy. And I think that conservatives have a moment that they can really grab right now.

But the other point that I really wanted to make, too, is, you know, to compare the United States and Canada in that regard as well. Like, this is something, and I think it was Michelle Ripple Garner, perhaps, who wrote this recently. But she had mentioned something about this. And it was the first time that I had ever really thought about it, which, like, I guess I suck at my job or something. But she had said how, you know, in other nations, it is typically the public. who is kind of the deciding factor of where things go. Whereas in Canada, it seems to fall so much on the parties. And I'm not 100% sure on the psychology behind that.

That's something I'm certainly interested in, like, have been researching. But, you know, when you think about all these things in the United States, so as an example, when it comes to immigration issues, Americans, again, they have that foundation. They know what they are made of, even the crazy ones. Like they know what it means to be an American. They do. And they will fight tooth and nail to defend their birthright.

And I think that that's a huge difference in the psyche of Canadians because we don't really have that to the same degree. And even as you had alluded to earlier, that even amongst conservatism and people doing the things that I'm able to do now, this didn't exist. kind of at all up until maybe like 2021. And even now, there's not a lot of us. No, there isn't. Like there is not a lot of us. And so I think that that is also something culturally that's really different. And I don't know is that a conditioned population.

Like, what is that? Yeah, well, I think you're, the psychology of it's really interesting. Because it's been, you know, like, once again, coming from Alberta where, you know, when you talk about immigration, having a referendum on that too. So like it's kind of like just talked about in the open. And I'm not saying everybody just openly talks about immigration just bluntly. But by and large, that's mostly how my conversations go. But as soon as I got into Manitoba, specifically Manitoba, everyone's like, you know, I'm not racist. And I'm like, listen, I know you're going to preface. You don't need to preface. But we're, but that's how people are conditioned right now is in order to

talk about a hot subject. They're like, well, and that, you know, what's crazy about it is I remember being in Alberta when, when the stuff with all the LGBT was going on. Excuse me. LGBT, 2S-I-L-A-I-plus. Y-Z. Get it right, okay? M-I-W.

No, isn't it M-M-I-W? Oh, yeah, M-M-I-W. 2 S plus LG IA plus LGBTQ something I can't believe

I don't remember them all and I'm not saying that to be disrespectful I'm not saying that to be disrespectful at this point I mean it has got a little bit far regardless I'm going back to

when I was in Alberta and that was first reaching maybe a crescendo point that's how people talked about that back then in Alberta like I'm not against it and I'm like you don't have to preface it I think everybody's just using their eyes and going, this doesn't make sense.

And you can just be like, that doesn't make sense. It's okay. And honestly, I was in Walmart the other day. And mind you, I live in Manitoba. And it always makes me laugh. Honestly, when people talk about like, whenever people preface something as like, I'm not racist, it's like when people accuse you of being an isterophobe, I'm like, I grew up in Canada. Okay.

I have grown up with people from everywhere my entire life. don't you dare flatten this to that level so that you can feel virtuous about this problem because the fact that there is literally an Eastern Asia aisle in Walmart in Manitoba, that's kind of weird. They have great spices, but it's kind of weird. Yeah, but you still go for the great spices.

Well, yeah, obviously. Like, I'm not mad about it, but it's like, oh, okay. No, but I mean, you know, I just go, everybody can see it with their eyes. I was at Winnipeg Beach. Northern Manitoba, wow, I suppose Manitobans don't think it's that north, but regardless.

But you're there and it kind of reminded me of Sylvan Lake the last time I went in the last year where I felt like I was the minority. I'm like, this is strange. Like, am I going to see this all across Canada? I'm starting to think like this is going to be my journey across Canada where you just, it's like, it's not being racist. It's using your eyes and going, this isn't, this is not how I remember going, you just play hockey and dried it, right? Like, not that far away.

And, yeah, were their immigrants there? Yeah. just they weren't the dominant populace they weren't the you know i get how politics work you have to get the numbers out to vote for you so if you're going to do things to get voted in you got to talk to the people willing to vote for you and if the dominant populace is no longer Caucasian Christian background i'm like well this is going to go to strange places and we could be 20 years off of that but i got young kids in their lifetime it's going to go to strange places if we aren't already in the strange places.

This is an observation I have because I live near a school, which you may have seen driving up here. And I have noticed over the last number of years, when I was growing up, like I used to go to obviously, a lot of people never really think about this, but like in the Indian population, there's a huge sect of people who are very Christian. And when I used to go to Bible camps, I used to go with girls who were from India all the time. They were kick ass. Their dad was like my mom's dentist or something.

Like they were awesome. Sure. Awesome family. And I just remember I was always around all sorts of different people. And it was never, it was just normal. You know, we weren't taught that anybody was different. We weren't taught to hate somebody or about some bad history. Like, we just lived.

And that was actually the Canadian dream. And nowadays, it's so bizarre how when I take my dog for a walk or something, go for a bike ride, whatever it may be. And you see the kids leaving the elementary schools and the high schools if they go for lunches or whatever. Sure. there's a lot of opportunity to do that here. You will see it's not everybody just like living their best life like it was when I grew up.

It was, or it is each race hanging out with their own people. In some cases, in my community, at least there's many who don't even speak English, which is, I don't necessarily begrudge you for that. I mean, I think it would be helpful for you to understand the language better and, you know, but like, like that's weird to me. it's like okay so we had this Canadian dream and things were pretty good and now instead of like instead of having a cohesive society you have all of these sex sexes not the not sex sorry yes but so you have doesn't even have the gum in her mouth anymore folks sorry but so you have

all of these different things and it's it's just so interesting like how on earth are you supposed to govern when there's so many conflicting belief systems. There's so many different things that you have to be aware of. And I think it's one of those things, too, that actually, you know, this upsets me quite a lot. And maybe I'll get canceled at some point. Because I barely ever talk about this kind of stuff. But one of the, like, fundamentally, your country means something. And we need to start acting like that. And just because you act like that doesn't make you mean or anything like that, you know? And so even the fact that the Christmas concert at the school by my house, they don't do it anymore. They change it to a holiday concert.

And then they just stopped doing it all in all because there were so many families from around the community who had complained because they do not celebrate. I think that's gross. One of my friends in a different school division, she, her son had, I've seen his, what do they call that? It's like the little book you get at the start of the school year and it has like... Planner? Yeah, it has like the calendar of like the school holidays or the Spirit Week and whatever in there. And I noticed while flipping through it, there's no mention of Christmas or anything like that. But every single like Arabic religion, religious holiday, things like that were listed on there.

But they didn't have Christmas. And they didn't have Remembrance Day on there either. I was like, hmm, weird. how like this is the thing with tolerance though is that you become so tolerant that you welcome intolerance and guess who hurts we do and you know even in terms of the united states of america again it's just this is this is my jam right now i'm the canada u.s relationship is all that i'm about and i think it's because there's so many similarities of what we saw happen to them that are here you know and and vice versa perhaps in in some cases depending on the year but it's really it's really

interesting how you have all of these people who are villainizing America so much. Why? Because he wants America to be America first. Fair enough. Why don't we compete? Hey, why don't we out-compete? Because we could do that domestically, very easily. Why don't we make Canadian culture something that you don't need to pay to protect Mark Miller? You can just have something that is so distinctly Canadian. that and by the way, Canadians like... Are you both to say make Canada great again? No, I will not. Can we make Canada great again, folks?

Yeah, but for real, though, like... I can't do the accent. Sorry. It breaks my heart, it really does. Like, it's so disappointing to me because it's like, instead of just being who we are, we've made ourselves, we've defined ourselves by what we're not. That's not strong.

No, no. We, well, sure, but we're, very easily manipulated by our emotions. It's because we're so nice. Like, how crazy is it? Honestly, let's think about this for a second. The North Star in the Underground Railroad, where did that lead? Canada.

Canada was the safe haven for slave trade. And people in Canada call each other racist. Are you kidding me? Even Canada, you know, you talk about our history in past world wars, and it's true, we were savages. we were absolute savages. You will find that in every freaking text. The Canadians, they knew what they were fighting for. It's beautiful.

Like, that kind of stuff, it lights up my soul. And it reminds me of why it's so important. Your culture matters. Like, how disappointing to have prime ministers who try to make you feel like it doesn't and then use it as a political weapon to win votes. Like, how do people not see this? It's so heartbreaking to me.

Even in, sorry. The West sees it. I would argue the West has seen it for a very long time. I got a move. Well, I mean, mind you guys. Well, no, and see, I hope you don't because we need voices in all the provinces. We just do. That's true.

That's true. You know, like, one of the things that has impressed me has been Manitoba. I'm like, holy crap, this is like a really, and I've ran into some sharp people. Mm-hmm. Like, I'm getting newfound respect for Manitoba. No, we don't. Like, as much as I want all the freedom loving people to move to Alberta, I'm like, we need it everywhere. We need it everywhere.

Yeah. Right. The problem we have right now, the problems Albertans have right now, it's probably saying, problem Manitobans have. Their voice doesn't mean anything in the federal election. We're all waiting on the east to decide what they're going to do. And we all stare at that and go like, what do we got to do here? You know what I think a big problem is in Winnipeg particularly, is a lot of people actually don't understand how elections work federally. So, you know, as an example, they always say like, oh, well, you're voting for the person, not for the party. We really mean that

in Manitoba, apparently. Because in Winnipeg, you have people who totally reject the NDP, but while he's, my riding's been fine, like my community's been pretty cool, so I guess I'll just vote for the same guy again. It's like, if you don't want the NDP to keep winning, maybe you shouldn't vote for them, I think. Like, what? But you know what, to give, to, to ease Manitoba, you know, not to feel bad, if you would ask Sean five years ago, I was probably in the same boat. I probably, you know, like, I would say one of the things I noticed, and it doesn't go across all Americans. One of the things I do notice when I go to my American counterparts,

not all of them, but they're way more engaged in politics in general. They have the total culture. I'm getting a weird group around me because of what I do, where I talk politics all the time, and I'd love nothing more than to talk about, I don't know.

I don't even know what the CFL is doing at this point, but the Winnipeg Jets and the Amiton Oilers or something and have some fun that way. Mark Sheifley goes to my church. Does he really? Mm-hmm. Found that out recently. I was running late.

So was he apparently he does every day because he doesn't want to be stopped by fans. Well, I mean, that's kind of cool. Makes me a Mark Schaifley fan a little more. It just, we need Canadians to engage in politics. And most of them, lots of them, I shouldn't say most of them. But the statistics show it. They're not engaging in what's the mainstream's doing.

I mean, the stats show that. So you go, if they're not engaging that, what are they engaging with? I'm like, and then how do, do you get to the just like let's engage but you got to you got to start finding the information out on how our everything works and once you start looking at you're going to come to the same conclusion that so many of us have of like man this really sucks how do we fix this I don't know how to you know it's like trying to jump start a dead battery that's been sitting out in the winter for a hundred

years you know like it's not exactly easy because most people are you're you're like oh I'm just going to vote for, no, my writing's all right. You're like, what? Do you, do you know how the federal election works? Do you understand how your provincial election works? Do you understand how this goes? Like, that's, oh man. You know, you touched on it again, the culture, the political culture in America that they have. And the fact that, again, it just brings me back to my earlier point about the party not necessarily being the first to jump on things and just how different that is. And I actually think as citizens, I would criticize us more than I would the federal party for not jumping on things that meant something to us.

For biting our tongue and all that because we've been so complacent and so afraid of being canceled or being appearing to be rude that we've been silent. And we and then we criticize the party for not knowing what's going on or what we are all thinking and feeling or jumping on it. But like they're not your daddy. So like, I think it's really important to like take stop laughing. I think it's really important though to take that responsibility. Daniel Smith is not your mother, Albertans, okay?

But sometimes I do wish. She has a great sense of humor. I just, I do think, and of course it goes both ways in many cases, but I do think that we don't have much of a political culture here. And that is not to anybody's benefit, except for the people who keep ruining

what is good about this country. And so it's on us to be more engaged and to talk about it. And I say this on my show all the time too. You know, don't waste your time in comment sections. And I'm not perfect. I've made plenty of mistakes that I later regret and sometimes privately apologize for if I get a little too heated with people because I shouldn't. That's not where my energy should be spent ever.

And there's no reason that you ever need to sit there in a comment section and call somebody whatever name it may be of the day because they don't agree with you. You're never going to win people over like that. Want to know who you can, though? Maybe that neighbor of yours who you talk to all the time. Maybe you're a crazy ante who always says things and you always bite your tongue at the table, but come at it in good faith and be involved.

In fairness, it's one of the things, even as a host of a political show or certainly of a show that's been a lot of politics lately, even I struggle with that, right? To like, last time I'm just like, I don't know if I can. And I've cleared a few too many different. table or just group tables.

I found out that talking about abortion, I thought it was just going to be, I didn't realize how hot of a topic that was. Because before I went into it, I would say I was pro-choice. Full stop, I wasn't that worried about it. And then I just thought I would be a nice, like, easy chat. And I had like two people,

I'm not talking about it. And off they went, and I was like, what? Oh. Is that where we're at? Oh, okay. People always get mad at me, because I'm pro-choice. But what I mean when I say that is I am not the piper that you have to pay in life.

My job on this earth is to love you and to help guide you and be there for you. And you can make any choices you want because you are a free human. And that doesn't mean I'm going to make that choice. But I'm certainly not going to treat you terribly if you do. I'm going to be there to hold your hand. And I'm going to be there to tell you it's okay. and to pray with you and love you. And so I think, I always say that,

and people always get so mad at me. Like, oh, you're a fake conservative. You're pro-choice. I'm like, I am. Yeah, it's not my life. Well, actually, the conservative party is a lot. Also, yeah. Like, they've allowed, you know,

one of their things is they allow you to be, I mean, pro-choice or pro-life. I do find it. That's interesting. I didn't know if I knew that. I always frame it like that. But also, too, I'm a younger woman. I've had friends who have had abortions.

I've had friends who have had abortions where it was the biggest mistake they've ever made in their life and they're 30 plus years old and they can't have children now and it eats them alive. And so and then, you know, there's also tons of people who have them and they use them like birth control and that really sucks. And I honestly wish, if anything, I wish the conversation was so much less about pro choice or pro life and so much more about falling in love and how cool it is to have like a living best friend and how important family is. I wish that the conversation focused on that instead of what you shouldn't do.

And actually, you know... Well, we need good models for that, though. Yeah, totally. And I don't... Sorry, Mark Carney and his wife may have the most loving marriage under the sun. It's possible. It is possible. Yeah.

Oh, I'm not going to sit here and say it's not possible. But Justin Trudeau and his wife, I would say put on a show for a while and then obviously that are divorced. And now he's gallivanting with Carity Perry and... It just fits with Trudeau. But then you watch Carney and his wife. You're like, I don't know, maybe they are. Maybe they are.

It just doesn't, you know, it's one thing that is starkly different about Pierre. I'll give him that 110%. Oh, I remember my first interview with Pierre. I wanted to do one with him and his wife. I specifically asked for that because I hadn't really heard much from her, but her story is wonderful. And so I really wanted to meet with them. I had actually initially, I sent a request, and it took like seven months

until it got accepted. And when it did, it was like, hey, can you be in, blank city at blank time and it was like in 48 hours and I'm like oh yeah I'll book a flight right now okay I'll be there um but that's one thing I've always said about pierre and his wife is oh man there's so few weddings I've been to where you feel this but where you just there's some people they walk into a room and you just feel it you just feel their love like you can just like that's your best friend in the whole world we need good models in society people who model the best that we are right And I mean, there's just so few.

There's still a lot that serving as MPs and MLAs and everything else. It's just, you know, our world leaders for the last decade haven't really done that. And they've talked about things that don't align with Canadian values, in my opinion. And I think a lot of others' opinions. Now, before I want to make sure I'm curious about it because you being from Manitoba, Manitoba politics, Manitoba as a whole. So I started into this province And I would say that had I ever looked at a map of Manitoba

I had not and or at least not in depth I should say I'd never looked at a map of course I had I've driven through it lots But I just mean in depth I'm like oh okay And then I'd had a lady on And people are going to be laughing because I've brought up every interview now since I've had her on She's a grew up in Churchill Okay On a polar bear camp

is just a badass mom, right? Homeschools, but like her and her husband have a, what is it, a prairie wild, it's an orchard and a whole bunch of just, you know, you can buy organic food and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I'm selling her way too short. Anyways, we got talking about Churchill. And I was saying, oh, like, it sounds like it's like

one of a kind in Canada. She's like, no, no, no, no. You don't understand. It's one of a kind in the world. In the world. I'm like, okay, so then I started exploring this. I'm like, okay, you've lived here all your life.

In all your time with all the different premieres, why have they never figured out a way to open up Churchill? Not only for the resources, for like, you know, because if I go back through some of the conversations, it sounds like back at the turn of the century, like we're talking in 1900s,

the port was open and there was things going on there. Yeah. Then there's a time where it isn't, and now there's all this talk back around it. And the first time it ever got broached to me was Shane Getson and an Emily from Alberta talking about economic corridors and one of them being to Churchill. This is back in 2021.

So one is the resource side of it because if they open Churchill up like that, which I think they are doing, then you, and I'll let you have your say, then you would get the West using it a ton. Do you think? I think so. And it's capacity, right?

It's the ability to, E.B. starts doing his things. It's like, fine. It's options. We'll go where we want it. Can you imagine if you just found lucrative cheaper ways to ship goods? Yeah, there would be a flood there if it worked economically, for sure.

The other thing is, is like the tourist side of it, if you opened up Churchill so people could actually get there because right now, it's... It's very isolated. Or very expensive and isolated. Why has it a premier gone?

Listen, in Manitobans, I got this vision. We're going to open up the Churchill. We're going to do this. It's going to be better for all of us. we're going to have not only tourism boom, but then we can use the port the way that a deep water port could be, and that'll provide jobs and all these things.

I assume I can't be the first guy to just walk in, do like 10 conversations and go, that seems really odd. Why haven't they done that? If it's a one-of-a-kind in the world, why hasn't it happened? And I get all the, folks, I get all the water and the river systems. I've looked at the map.

I'm like, okay, well, it would be difficult. Don't get me wrong. but like that's what human beings do. They look at difficult and they find a way through it. And all of a sudden, you know, 20 years down the road, you've opened up something you never thought would be open up. Duh, the Panama Canal. They blew up mountains and everything else and turned it into a shipway, you know,

like a throughway. So keep in mind, I've never been to Churchill myself. Nor have I. I honestly don't know if I ever will in my lifetime. Why is that? Because it's hard to get to. Okay, fair enough. If it was easier to get to you and like a flight wasn't over a thousand

dollars for two hours, I would probably be more open to it. I'd love to visit. There's actually, I don't recall if he is a former or current MLA who he actually owns the big Churchill polar bear things there. Fun fact, by the way, did you know that back in the day in like, I don't remember exactly what year this would have been long time ago when people first, like settlers and stuff had kind of come through when they had stopped at Churchill. that they thought that there were mermaids.

And this became this huge lore, this folklore that they brought back home, that there's mermaids in Canada. This is obviously before it was named Canada, but this was this thing, it was this tale that went on for many, many, many decades. And these were the whales? It was the beluga whales.

And if you ever Google, beluga whale mermaids, you will see exactly why it is that that became such folklore. And it was because sailors, they would see belugas under the water and they literally, I'm going to show it to you. They literally look like.

It's really cool. So that's just some fun little lore for you. Don't you think, while you're looking for that, am I just off base when I, because if it was just like a theme park or whatever, you're kind of like, ah, all right, whatever. But when it's like something that could bring in people, you know, like, I just found out that there is literally cruises. Oh, wow.

Doesn't that look like a mermaid? Yeah. So imagine, you know, a couple hundred years ago or something, they're on a boat and you see that. Huh. Well, I just, the story keeps, the plot keeps thickening. I'm like, don't you think Manitobans would be like, if we're going to put our money into something,

doesn't that just seem like a idea that would sell? Or am I just wrong on that? I don't think you're wrong on that at all. I think there's something tangible there. There's a couple big factors, though. I mean, as an example, this just happened recently. there was that military base sort of expansion that Stephen Harper had actually initially planned. I can't recall the city, town that this was in.

But one of the big reasons why they ended up decommissioning it, that was something Mark Carney did a few months ago, was because it was never actually built to the way that it was supposed to be. It kind of ended up being a bit of a waste of money, unfortunately. I doubt that was the intent. I bet our government never waste money. Carry on. Yes, true. Sorry. So there's a few things that come with construction in the Arctic that's tough. Number one being permafrost, of course.

There's heavy machinery that can work your way around that for sure. But in terms of things actually settling into the earth, that can play a challenging role. I would also add that there are deep sea water bacteria in different planktons that actually corrode metals in a very different way than a warm ocean would. like there's totally different aquatic life down there. So that's something too that I don't actually know that Canada has really figured out yet at any port of sorts where there's water and you're going into deep Arctic water. There are very different challenges that arise with that one. Having said that, not impossible.

I think that there is the activist class of things. The polar bears are dying, right? The ice is melting, global warming, climate change, all of the above. You would have those people protesting. you would likely have First Nations protesting, I would assume, as well. So I think that would be challenging. Not to mention the fact that as it stands to even access anywhere close to Churchill, depending on where you would want all of this to go,

there's not even a road that goes there throughout the summer. There's an ice road in the wintertime. Actually, one of my friends was the contract for that road for many years. Great money for him, I suppose. But yeah, so they don't even have a road to get there. there's so many, there's so many issues and they're all infrastructure. It would just be a matter of figuring that out. The planning and everything to do that alone in today's regulatory environment

and probably take 10 years. I mean, I'm sure maybe if they had a bit more of a, maybe if it got onto the major projects list, then it might take five years. But I think it's worth exploring at the bare minimum. And also even too, in terms of national security, it would be very wise to have a deep water port access out of the Churchill in the middle of the country. And also just even to all of the other things that I had mentioned, like one of the reasons,

there's plenty of reasons, but there is a big reason as it pertains to infrastructure and the way that things work in those cold temperatures, that Canada's Arctic is kind of the way that it is. It would be wonderful if we could fix that and figure out some of those challenges. is, but also too, I think a big part of it is that it's just not really a priority, you know, unfortunately, and it could be. I know Wab Kanoe, who I'm no fan of at all and he's no fan of mine. I know he's been talking about that. It'll never come to fruition under him. I have a hard time believing that would happen. But there is a lot of opportunity. There is a lot of critical minerals, things like that that we have here in Manitoba that are of great importance that you could

ship out from here. But you got to, that's the thing. It's like, you need to actually get something tangible on the ground before anybody's going to pick it up and it's just kind of been an idea for the longest time. I would also perhaps be concerned though about the environmental aspects of it in terms of a lot of what makes Churchill the special place that it is is kind of because it's untouched. So there's something really magical about that. And would you want to open it up to the point where there's all these tourists and stuff and they do have good tourism there, but like how much would the locals want that to be opened up? How much would there be activists protesting and stuff? I'm honestly, I think the climate change aspect of it is the one that

I just can't seem to wrap my head around because it's like every two years, every two years, there's new stories about it. I remember CBC News running stories literally, not even a year ago, about how the polar bears are dying because of climate change and global warming and the ice is melting. And then they're writing stories about how Wab Canoe wants to open it and how amazing it will be. I'm like, I understand both can be true at the same time, but like, you can't fear monger and then just pretend like you didn't do that before because, I mean, fair enough. Yeah, polar bears are dying and that's a real thing. And also even just the threat to public safety with them there. I know a lot of people who've worked for calm air, which is the airline that flies up there.

And they have some crazy polar bear stories to share with you if you ever got a chance to talk with them. So I think it's cool The way that we do things in this country right now I won't hold my breath for it But I do think it would be I think it would be good to have something like that in place I think that'd be a big win for Canada as a whole Depending on how you used it

Yeah Once again obviously I don't you know as an Albertan now Saskatchewan born Nobody's going to care what I think I just I just look at it and I'm like That's, yeah, the environmental impact and changing things and whatever. I'm like, sure, but that's what humanity's been doing for humanity's history. Yeah.

So to say that you're never going to touch the Churchill, okay. I think it would be great. I mean, if we were to, the access to water that we would have in this country would be, would be like an incredible advantage that so many other nations don't have. Like you have so many different directions, right? And so I think that that in and of itself is worth exploring. It's just, I think that's the problem is many people who have suggested it, they don't mean it. They're saying it in some sort of a political sense, maybe to distract or to make people feel like they have big ideas.

But they never actually come to fruition with it. Like the construction and all of that that would be required is so unreal. Not to say that that should be what stops you, but it's what makes it not a private. priority, especially in a, especially in a province like Manitoba, where there's so many people who are very hungry and hurting. And there's all of these other things that seem to take up the, the space. But I like the idea myself. If we could figure out a way to do it, I would, I would support that. Of course I would. Well, I just, we need a bit. Canadians need a direction to head, because right now it feels like orange man bad and I mean you know like they just want things to believe in

and I'm like that's building things simple as that I'm not saying you got to build the Churchill right like you know maybe maybe right maybe just leave it alone it's maybe somebody could just come build me a new deck because mine's kind of falling apart you know well one final question for you a fun one I've been you know we're going across the country so favorite road trip favorite camping trip it could be with friends it could be when you're a kid I don't know what comes to mind

but it's been a fun question to ask people because everybody seems to have one and they've been all over the map I don't have a favorite camping trip I do not camp and the times that I have I have tried to camp twice and what goes on

hate it the bugs don't care about that I just hate everything about it I hate sleeping on the ground I hate sleeping in a cot. I can't stand blow up or air mattresses, whatever they call them. I hate the smell of fire.

You hate the smell of fire? Oh, gosh. Nothing. Nothing ruins my day more than have a friend being like, hey, want to come over and watch the UFC match? And you're like, okay. And you pull up and you see that glow kind of hitting their garage and you think to yourself, no, I just showered.

And then you get out of the car and you just hear like the crackling sound that fire makes. That was a great example of it. You do not like sound of fire. You do not like the smell of fire. You do not like the look of a fire. You do not like the look of a fire. You can not get the smell out of fire out of you for days. Yeah, it's amazing. Oh, it's horrible. I hate it which is so funny though because I love, I love the outdoors. Like I'm outside constantly. I love the outdoors, but anything to do with camping and I hate it. I don't, I hate, oh God, like a marshmallow on a stick, get real. Like I can't. I cannot. You know, with my wife was sitting here, those are fighting words. We, we, we, we, we, we,

And she could probably beat the hell out of me because she's a camping girl. I just think of s'm smores with the kids. And like, you know, like. I'm sure I'll change my mind one day if I have children, God willing. But when, when Melanie first got married, I remember looking at a camper and I don't know, maybe we should get one of those. She's like, we're never getting a camper, which is funny because you think about it and we've been married, it'll be. Holy crap, what is it today? I don't know.

It's almost the end of July, which means folks don't. let me forget August 2nd, which this won't air be. It doesn't matter. Crap. It's our 12th anniversary. 12? Oh, wow. That's beautiful. That's a long time. I don't know. You said it earlier of like being married to your best friend or sorry, a live in best friend, but married to my best friend for 12 years. We've been together 19, I guess coming up this year too. And I don't know. It's it doesn't feel that long. I mean, it goes in, I'm sure she was sitting here, she'd roll her eyes at me, because it goes in like ebbs and flows.

How old are you? Just turned 40. Does it make you sad that you didn't? I'm 10 years older than you. Am I not? Yeah. You're 96. Why did you remind me of that?

Have you turned 30 yet? I did, yeah, I did like a few weeks ago. And I've been having a midlife crisis ever since. Oh, come on. I might buy a pontoon boat soon. I don't know. Oh, yeah, right. 30.

You know what's funny? I hit 40. I'm like, is that was it? That's what all the fuss was about? Like, no, wait around until I'm 50. Women are different, though. Women are different. I think for me, too, I'm having a lot, like, just a very vulnerable moment, but it's been tough

because it's like, who, I'm 30, not married. Oof. Really want to have kids, and a lot of them kind of need to be married first. Oof. Like, so, like, that's all tough. There's, like, just a lot of things. The biological clock is ticking. And I think the sad part, though, too, is that I, it's not as though I, I,

never wanted all like I always wanted this unfortunately my last boyfriend passed away and so I kind of threw me for a loop you know and now it's like oh shoot okay the clock is ticking uh so pierre pollyev was very correct when he said that it's a real phenomenon ask any girl um do you remember that when he mentioned something about a biological clock the media lost their mind we of course they would i'm like rosemary barton you've had that conversation 27 times in the last month with your girlfriends. Like, don't even. Rosemary Barton is kind of a swear word on this show. So, I mean, would it be interesting to sit down with her? Probably would. I think you'd have a good conversation with her. Probably would.

Yeah. I think you'd have a good conversation. I think you'd be surprised. You think so. Have you conversated with her? No, but I know, I know a lot of people. I come from media. I know a lot of people. You know a lot of people. There's people who are on CBC, who I talk about on my show and sometimes not flattering and that I know that I would consider friends and we discuss things. People read teleprompters sometimes and have different thoughts other times. So, you know, I think. Gladly we don't have any telepropters in this room, folks.

I probably wouldn't be saying, um, so much. You didn't literally, you didn't give me your favorite road trip story. Well, because we got distracted. Because you hate the smell of fire. Okay. I do not. Okay, so you don't have a favorite camping story. Do you have a favorite road trip then?

I've gone on so many road trips. I've had so many great ones. My family and I, we used to do road trips all the time. My parents would, they would get, they had a friend who worked in the car dealership business, and he would get these big trucks sometimes. For them, I think it was mostly, I don't know, they'd lease them or something. So you'd have to go pick them up from a different province and drive them back here. And my family, we used to do that every once in a while where we would all hop on a plane, fly to wherever the heck it was.

and then we do a family road trip in this big vehicle on the way back, and it was the best. So what about it was the best? I love my family. Yeah. Yeah, I love my family. I love like just, I actually remember my sister will kill me.

It's fine. I remember, though, this one, I don't even know. This one might be close on my favorite list. I'll tell you my favorite first and then I'll tell you this story. But my favorite one, I would say, is something I've done so many times, especially, I would say probably about 2019 or so, we used to literally hop in the car because Grand Forks is not even two hours away from here.

And so we used to hop in the car and we would just drive to Grand Forks for the day and just go to the terrible mall that they have there and walk around and they had like a Jurassic Park type arcade machine that you sit in the box and whatever. Oh, yeah, tons of fun. And like that would just, that's like, oh, board today, let's go do that.

And it was the best. So I would say those are my favorite doing those because it was always just so fun and spontaneous and silly in, you know, just the best. But so quick family road trip story. And then after that, I apologize for making you talk to me for so long. But you don't have to do that. That's what the whole trip is about. I guess that's true.

And you were, folks won't realize this. But she's like, you know, I don't want to hold you up and make you drive home. Like, I told Mel, I'm like, I'm going to Winnipeg for the day. I don't know if I'll be back at midnight. before then, but it's the one day where I'm going to run in and I'm going to try and meet a few people and, you know, and this is, no, you can't apologize for sitting here and talking. That's the whole reason we're doing this. So no. That's true. That's true. So my family, we had taken one where we flew to Toronto. I believe I would have been 15 or 16 maybe at the time.

And keep in mind, like I do not come from money at all. A good chunk of my family over the years has been able to somewhat pull themselves out or they have kids who were able to and whatever. So this was like a big deal to like we're flying to Toronto. What? Here I am literally living in a trailer that doesn't have any cell phone service or anything, no internet, nothing like that like right out in the sticks. And I'm going to Toronto baby. And so we had to drive about two hours into the city just to get to the airport. It was just my sister, myself, and my mom and stepdad. And we had two vehicles that we had to drive back from Toronto.

And it was the coolest thing ever that one because one of my aunties lives in Mississauga. She used to. I think she lives in Portugal now or Florida. I don't know. She's in real estate. She lives everywhere. But so I remember she had taken us. We did Marine Land.

which, by the way, even their whales are moving to America now, just read that on the news. And that was really neat. I'm reminded of I was talking with my mother-in-law, and she was talking about the Gulf of Mexico, and I was like, don't you mean the Gulf of America? She's like, I don't call it that. I'm laughing.

Like Google Maps does, though, Mom. But, yeah, so we did that, and we went to, I don't know, we just went to so many things. That was, like, my first time ever really, like, leaving. the province. And I remember on the way back, it was my mom and I in one vehicle and my sister and my stepdad in the other vehicle. They didn't get along really. But I was the baby. So I got my say and I got to drive in the vehicle with my mom. And I remember we, at one point, we had stopped out to see, where is the Terry Fox Memorial? Thunder Bay. That's right in Thunder Bay, right? Yes. It's just,

it's just on the east side, I think it is. It knew it was around there, but I didn't remember if there was like a different town name or something. Well, it could have a different town name, but Thunder Bay is the major city. It's just on the outskirts of. So that, so we went there to stop there as one of our pit stops and on our way home. And I remember my mom and I, we're in the vehicle. And we are just like, we're singing Lady Gaga poker face. We're laughing and crying. We're eating chips and just having the time of our lives. and my stepdad went to go pass us on the highway. And so we looked in and we were like, oh, look there.

And so we went to go wave. My sister's bawling her eyes out. My stepdad looks like he's yelling. And my mom and I were just like, and then of course we get out at the memorial or the statue there. And my sister's like just crying. He had caught her. She had a boyfriend.

She wasn't allowed to have one. And so they had just been fighting about that for like the last four hours while my mom are just, we're just having the time of our lives. It's like one of my favorite stories ever. I don't know why. It's just one of those like peak childhood memories. My poor sister.

Anyway, though, her and that boyfriend are married and they've been together. So it worked out. Yeah, they've been together for like, I don't know, ever. So that worked out well. But very funny. Well, I appreciate you. I don't know, making time. Like I think a lot of Canadians really.

enjoy your content and have seen, you know, like when we first talked, I was just like, this is somebody to watch, right? Because you're doing things that I think a lot of Canadians are interested in. I think the numbers have, have shown that or the popularity or whatever you want to call it, analytics. And I don't know, just lots of things you're talking about seem to be catching people's attention. And so I thought, well, when I come through Winnipeg, I better make sure that I stop it and talk to it. I'm glad it worked out because you never know, one of the things it's hard about in person I'm finding out is like people have lives wouldn't you know it and you're like I hope they can make time for me coming through at random

times of the week and hour of the day and all the things but uh appreciate you sitting down and doing this with me it's one of the ones I can check off you know coming through Manitoba I wanted to make sure I got to sit with you a medium person like one of the big core ideas of this is I've met so many people through a screen now as I'm sure you have and I wanted to get away from that I want to I want to sit in the same room. I want to, you know, have the body language and, you know, and feel the energy if you would. Yeah, it's been terrible. Yeah, that's right. We're never doing it again. And get to know people because I think the network only grows when you know who people are. Like when you're talking about different people in media and I know a lot, it's like, yeah,

and I bet you've probably met a lot of them. And so therefore it's like easy to call them up or text and, but hey, what are you seeing over here? Yeah. Or wherever that leads. And so I appreciate you have me in your house and studio and your dog yes i don't know i don't know what i've done to earn the affection she likes you she didn't even jump on you she respects you yeah there you go folks either way jasmine thanks again thank you so much