Shaun Newman Podcast - #1112 - Susan Kokinda

Episode Date: August 18, 2026

Susan Kokinda is a longtime American political activist, organizer, author, and commentator. She currently serves as Coalitions Vice Chairman of the Michigan Republican Party (MIGOP) and is a leading voice with Promethean Action, a group focused on economic nationalism, industrial revival, and opposition to what it describes as globalist or oligarchic influences.Cornerstone Forum 26’https://shaunnewmanpodcast.substack.com/Silver Gold Bull Links:Website: https://silvergoldbull.ca/Email: [e-mail] Grahame: [phone]Bow Valley Credit UnionBitcoin: www.bowvalleycu.com/en/personal/investing-wealth/bitcoin-gatewayEmail: [e-mail] Get your voice heard: Text Shaun 587-217-8500

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Today's guest is one of the members of Promethean action. I'm talking about Susan Kokinda. So buckle up. Here we go. Welcome to the Sean Newman podcast. I'm sitting across from Susan Kokinda. first off, thanks for allowing me into your house and where you live and meet your husband and everything else. It's hard to convey to probably guess, but when I started the idea with my

wife about this road trip, one of the things I really wanted to do was interact with some of the people that I never would ever run into normally. I'm not an American, although I'm married to an American and we come down to the states. I just don't run into people such as yourself. Even though I interview you and we talk about some of the things going on geopolitically, I was like, you know, when we started this road trip, I'm like, one of the things I want to do is I want to interact with these people away from the camera and just meet them and let them see who I am. And usually, as I was telling you your husband, you know, normally there's my wife and three kids and we come and terrorize the place in the best possible way. But this is a little different, you know,

race down here while kids are in camp to come see you. And, uh, I, you know, once again, Susan, just thanks for, uh, entertaining, uh, a guy who, uh, you know, some people think I can be a little bit crazy by driving as far as I do, but back home, this is what we do. Uh, albeit the roads to get here were intense, uh, they were busy this morning. So that is all to say. Thanks again for hopping on. No, I'm glad. I'm glad you're here because, um, you know, a lot of people, people, a lot of people don't know where I'm from. In fact, when I was at our local street fair the other day, I had on a ball cap and sunglasses, and I was talking, so you couldn't really see who I was, and I'm talking to a lady, and she says, your voice sounds familiar. I said, yeah,

you probably watched me on YouTube. And she goes, oh, my God, I had no idea you were from here. So I'm glad you're here in southeast Michigan, downriver Detroit, which is the classic blue-collar community that really, I think, is at the spear point of changing this country by returning to the real Republican Party of Donald Trump. Well, before we get into that, I have a couple things. One is first, you know, normally when people come in in a studio back home, which is, I would say rare. It doesn't happen all the time, you know, eight out of ten podcasts, let's say are virtual. So the people who come to Lloyd Minster, I give them a one-out silver coin. And I've been, I've been, I have a limited amount that I get to give out on this trip. And instead of, you know, out of

200 episodes in a year and let's say, you know, 40 of them in person, roughly, let's throw that number out there. This year, it's 200 of them are roughly in person. And so I've had to be very selective of who I'm giving out silver coins to, which really pains me. But at the same token, a one ounce silver coin now is not exactly, um, $10 anymore. And so one of the sponsors I have, Silver Gold Bull, you know, is now North America-wide. They're Uber successful. They, you know, put gold in Costco and different things like that. But it really means a lot for me, for you to allow me into your house.

And so one of the things I want to give you before we start is a one-ounce silver coin. Thank you. My brother's going to be very jealous. He's a coin collector. Is he? Yes, he is. And do you yourself collect any silver or precious metals? Not really.

you know but well there you go you can start now I can start that's right cool the other thing I just wanted to make reference of it because you know up in Canada the Gordyhow Bridge has been I got to drive across that thing today it is almost

incomprehensible how large that bridge is like I'm driving underneath it and I'm like this this is massive I you know I've been across lots of different bridges, especially, you know, coming into the United States, there's lots of different ports that have a bridge and you go across, and it's a nice bridge. This thing is massive. Like, I don't think I understood how big it was. And so to the listener, because we hear about the Gordy Howe Bridge all the time, got to drive across it today. I thought that was unique, to say

the least. It's a beautiful bridge because we see it when we drive into Detroit. And its name is very close to my heart because I'm old enough that I watched Gordy Howe play with the original production line. You're a Detroit Red Wings fan? I am a Detroit Red Wings fan. I know that's not going to sell very well in Canada. I don't know if you have had Stevie Y here, my favorite hockey player of all time. So you're talking about Gordy Howe. And in my generation, Stevie Y was the epitomey of a hockey player. I watched him as a gym in Tampa and then Detroit and I always thought, man, Dammiton Oilers could ever get Stevie Wise or GM, I'd be a happy camper. I was so much of a hockey fan that when I was in high school,

I slept out overnight on the sidewalk at Olympia to get Stanley Cup playoff tickets. Really? Yeah, and you could do that way back then. I don't think, are you not sleeping out? No, and that was that beautiful old Olympia Stadium, which is long gone. Yeah, well, what do you think of the new stadium then? Because you guys have a brand new.

I haven't been. You haven't been. I haven't been any of the new stadium. It's sort of like my heart is still at Tiger Stadium and it's still at Olympia. So when I watch, I just watch. Fair enough. Okay. Well, I mean, as much as people want us to talk about hockey, which I'd love to do.

You know, coming from the Canadian side, right? Like, certainly from Alberta, we have different thoughts on Donald Trump and it gets discussed an awful lot. But Donald Trump is probably, I think, I can say, the most hated guy. in Canada, roughly, but I might even say that for the world right now. You're someone who looks at the policies and things being said by his government, and you have a different thought process on it. Walk me through what you're seeing today. Well, I think the problem that most people have is they don't really understand the geometry that we're in in terms of what Donald Trump is doing.

Because if you look at Trump, just sort of eye-level, you know, the one-dimensional way the world is presented by the corporate media and, frankly, by half of the social media sphere, it's this completely artificial dividing line between right and left or big government versus little government. What people don't understand is that Donald Trump and his administration are revised. the actual American policies that have essentially been written out of our history and taken away from us for over 100 years, that they understand that the issue is sovereignty and actual economic growth, measured not in money, but measured in, are you putting people back to work at good-paying jobs where one income can raise a family? Are you returning your supply chain, so you're actually economically sovereign? Are you creating a world where other countries can be sovereign too and not trapped in some kind of supranational structure that they have to be beholden to? So when you look at

it from outside the kind of prevailing narrative, he really is carrying out a revolution, and the people that he's carrying out a revolution against, which commonly people call it the globalists. We try and put its more appropriate brand name on it, which is the modern-day British imperial system. What he is doing is absolutely amazing. Now, it's also not easy, and therefore it's not like you snap your finger, and tomorrow morning all the factories are rebuilt in the United States and everybody's back to work, and inflation is down, and people can make ends meet. There still is a struggle for people, because he's fighting every step of the way to, as J.D. Vance said, turn an aircraft carrier around and start moving it in a different direction. But when you look at,

I always start with his economic policies. And here we are in southeastern Michigan, in the Detroit area. It's commonly said Detroit created the middle class. In 1960, Detroit had the highest per capita standard of living in the country. You know, it wasn't stockbrokers, it wasn't Hollywood directors or Texas oil men, it was blue-collar workers who worked at Ford or GM or Chrysler, could have, you know, three to 12 kids, two cars, and after a couple of decades, buy a house up north, and know that your kids would do better than you did if they wanted to, if they wanted to be an engineer or whatever. That was Detroit in the 1960s, and that was gutted by deliberate policies. You can start in 1971 when we took the dollar off the gold reserve standard.

That was the beginning of the end. You know, and then you can cycle through the decades, then you get to the big killer blow, which was NAFTA in the 1990s. So what happened? You gutted the working class and the middle class with these globalist policies, which basically just financialized, everything was turned into a financial income stream. It was no longer about delivering health care. care. It was no longer about delivering cheap affordable energy. Everything was who's making a

profit, who's sucking whatever you can out of the economy. And it's left us where we are today where Secretary Besson, one of my favorite quotes from Bessent, he says, the Democratic Party strategy is to compensate the loser. So they made most of the population economic losers, and then they throw some money at them and try and pacify them. And that's the world that you're living in. And I think the people who have the trouble with Trump is they sort of accept this idea that I'm a loser, I'm a victim, you know, I'm a consumer, there's nothing I can do except beg some big powerful forces to trickle some money down my way or, you know, get me addicted to drugs so I don't notice in the worst case scenario, so that I can just get through the day as opposed to what this administration is doing. and again, it's not instantaneous, saying, no, we can make you producers again. We can make you the kind of people who can have some control over your lives, go to work every day, raise a family with some dignity.

That's what he's trying to bring back. And again, the problem that you have is so many people don't even have a clue, especially the younger generation. You know, the younger generation which grew up in the wake of a lot of, NAFTA. Then they got hit by the 2008 financial crisis. And what did they see? They saw Wall Street get bailed out and their family lost their home, right, or lost their jobs or whatever. So they're sitting there saying, well, this system doesn't work. This system sucks. And they're right. So then the Pied Piper's of socialism come along and say, well, why don't we try this? And these

young people have never seen that socialism doesn't work, whereas some of the older generations, certainly at least sought abroad. But the older generations have in their bones, I think, the remembrance, no, we had a system that worked. And maybe we don't know what happened to it, but we want to go back to that. And that is what we at Promethean Action are just totally focused on,

which is the return of the American system. This system where you say, you run the economy from the standpoint of producing things, not just accumulating money. and an economy which then grows on that basis, that's the alternative to both globalism, which doesn't work, and socialism, which doesn't work. But that's the problem you have. If you don't have that American system alternative there, and to its credit, this administration

is getting much more conscious talking about Alexander Hamilton, the American system, the invisible hand doesn't work. I mean, now it's one of Besson's recent statements. They're beginning to introduce people to the fact that, I guess you could call it a third way, although I hate to use that because Tony Blair used that term. But the fact that your binary is not finance capitalism versus socialism. That's the world that you have to break open.

And that's how you deal, I think, with all the people who are struggling so much trying to understand what Donald Trump is or worse are living in this world of anti-Trump hysteria. Yeah, as a younger generation guy, you know, one of the other things, you know, you talk about it taking time. I've heard you on a recent video talk about, you know, like, Trump joking that he won't be the president that sees some of this come to fruition. And the only thing that comes to my mind, going back to how we started the conversation, maybe it was hockey, is a lot of times a GM will come in and make moves.

And then there will be other GMs that come in and reap the rewards of some of the moves the previous or the predecessor made. And I wonder if that isn't even more compacted or compounded, sorry, by the fact that we live in this world where we want things and expect things done like 10 minutes ago. Because we live in a society that is so fast-paced moving, yet government, whether I'm talking Canadian or American. You're talking, you mentioned an aircraft carrier, and I'm thinking it's more like trying to move Mount Everest. Right?

Like, I mean, we're talking something that doesn't want to be moved is probably fighting tooth and nail not to be moved. And as consumers of social media of just politics in general, I think a lot of us just assume you flip a light switch and everything changes. A president comes in and everything changes. In my world, a premier comes in. and everything changes, right? And certainly the messaging can change immediately, but that doesn't equate to all of a sudden everybody's lives getting amazingly better overnight.

Yeah. Now, a friend of mine once described the way many people address foreign policy is little girls playing with dolls. But I think that applies even more generally. You know, in the sense that people, you know, they have this silly little dollhouse. Well, I want Barbie to be over in this room,

so I'm just going to pick her up and number, right? I want Ken to be nicer to be. Barbie, so the fighting in Gaza is going to stop. You're living in a world where for hundreds of years, I mean, really longer, but I would say in the modern term, you've had a prevailing force on this planet, which is the British imperial system. We fought the American Revolution explicitly against the British Empire 250 years ago. But the system of imperialism, which is based on central banking. It's based on zero growth policies, which is where environmentalism came from. It's based on treating people like cogs in a machine, you know, like worker bees with no rights,

just sources of loot, which is what slavery is, where you're literally squeezing out of human beings till there's nothing left. And free trade is just a milder version of that where you, you know, where you're reducing the wage levels. So that this powerful imperialism, force is extracting what they want to extract in order to keep their monetary power. That's the world that we're living in. And there's a long arc to that. And people have to, I always say people have to locate themselves in history instead of in the now.

Because where you are living today is not a product of what happened five seconds ago. Where you are living today is a product of what has gone on for decades and centuries before you. And if you don't want to just be a leaf on the, you know, on the river, you want to have some control over your life. You have to understand history. And then you have to start to act on those forces. And that's what certainly in this second Trump administration, it's become very, very clear to me that there are enough people in this administration who understand that, that they are engaged in a historical process, which again is not just some aggregation of policies. Well, I like this set of policies they did, but I'm mad because that set of policies haven't

been implemented yet, or I agree with this, or I don't agree with that. They have a very clear understanding. We have been under a system which has been a disaster. You know, Marco Rubio, when he went to Munich this year, you know, J.D. sort of threw the first bomb in 2020. when he went to Munich, and he said European civilization is dying, and, you know, that's a bad thing. But Marco went to Munich this year, and one of the things he said is deindustrialization was a conscious policy, which again says to me, this administration understands that we have been under attack by the British imperial system, and that our only defense is the American system which they are resurrecting. That breaks the entire narrative.

And that's why you get phenomenon like we saw in 2024. This area right here is one of the reasons why Donald Trump became president. We won Michigan because a whole lot of blue-collar workers in this area, and we move more votes here in Wayne County into the Republican column. We shifted more votes here in Wayne County than any other county in the country, except for Maricopa, Arizona. that was blue-collar workers saying, nope, we've had it with his other crap. Donald Trump wants to rebuild this country.

He wants to give me a future where I can work hard and have a good life for my kids and my kids can have a better life. That's what they saw in Donald Trump. And it is because it's this systemic fight. That's what people have to understand. This is a fight between two systems. And you've been denied the knowledge of the American system for 125 years. It's been written out of our history.

It's been written out of everybody's history. You know, I think maybe the first time I talked to you, you know, just beginning to grapple with the American system, well, it wasn't because you were a Canadian. Americans don't know about the American system because it's been written out of our history. So that's, you know, that's where I have a great amount of confidence, even though we've got huge battles in front of us,

Trump's got to get through the midterms so that he's not facing a bunch of, of crazed Democrats and socialists who are going to try and impeach him. But for the first time in my life, I see that you actually have a group of people who know what the actual battle lines are. That's really important if you're fighting a war. Well, and I sit on the north side of that. Right. You know, like I often say or I used to say lots that we focus too much on what the Americans are doing and not about what's happening in Canada. Entering Donald Trump, you know, and I was covering, I still cover Canadian politics, but I was covering the election, right? Carney snuck in and became the leader of the liberals, which in this weird way made him the prime minister of Canada. And that's a long, you know, a thing to go into, probably with an American audience because they don't understand how our government works. In fairness, five years ago, I didn't fully understand it. And yet, Donald Trump says a few things during our elections. They create the elbows up campaign. Mark Carney becomes the election. And

Prime Minister of Canada. Now they've had floor crossings. Now he has a majority. And when you talk about the British imperial system, I'm like, well, we're as closely tied to the British imperial system as you're going to get. You know, like, I mean, like, everything we do is, is we're an offshoot of the British. And so when I, when I sit here, I'm like, everything you're talking about, if you're

American, it's like, rah, rah. When you're Canadian, you're kind of crawled in the middle of what you're talking about because we're your largest border. Albeit we have a small population compared to a lot of other countries, but we do have your largest border. We're a huge trading partner. You know, when tariffs come in, the news cycle in Canada goes absolutely craze over it.

You got premiers everywhere, pulling things off shelves and, you know, stand up and instead of, you know, from where I said, it's like, maybe we should just go talk to them. Like, it might be beneficial to just go talk to the Americans and see what they have to say. Your thoughts on Canada's role in all of this when you see, well, you know the border, you live right beside it.

Your thoughts on Canada's role when you're talking about the two systems. Well, there's two sides to it. I mean, first, let's start with Mark Carney. Mark Carney is like the anointed head of Globalism 2.0. I'm sure all of your viewers know. He's the only person who was ever the head.

of both the Bank of Canada and the Bank of England. He's the only non-British person who's the head of the Bank of England. So obviously somebody considers him pretty competent to put him in that position. And honestly, I don't think it would have made any difference what Donald Trump said back during the election campaign. He was anointed as your prime minister in one way or the other he was going to become prime minister by these forces. So what Carney is doing is trying to rally some kind of new form.

of globalism because he's been more conscious and more open than anybody in the globalist system, basically saying, okay, the post-war version we had of globalism, it's over because of Donald Trump. I mean, he just openly acknowledges because the United States is no longer playing in the free trade world, that system is over. So we've got to somehow reconfigure, and he's got this wacky idea about the middle countries in the middle powers and so on, what's the problem with what Carney is doing? He's trying to, you know, reconfigure everything with the same policies, with the same free trade, green, open border policies. So there's nothing really 2.0 about it. I think they're just trying to put some different

packaging on it, and I don't think it's going to work, because what you see is the big sovereign powers. Or look in the Middle East, they're responding to what the United States is. is doing, saying, not openly, but saying, you know, we don't like being pawns on a chessboard. We like what Donald Trump is doing, where he's breaking up these globalist institutions, these regional globalist chess boards like the Mideast. And we're going to start acting like sovereign countries and look out for our own interests. So, you know, you look at this recent defense treaty between, what was it, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and Turkey. and you say, wow, what's that?

Well, and some people are saying, is that going to be a problem for the United States? Honestly, I don't think so. This is three countries saying, we're going to do what we think is best for us in the region and not just be a pawn on some kind of geopolitical chessboard. So I think that's the kind of world that Donald Trump is creating. Even Russia, China.

Notice Russia and China really did not get involved in supporting Iran. I mean, yes, there's reports that there was some weapons and so on and so forth. But if you look at their public strategic posture, they sat back. I think they're perfectly happy to have Donald Trump take the IRGC off the chessboard so that you can have some kind of stability. So that's that's the new world which is emerging, one in which you don't have these top-down world trade organization, NATO, rules-based order, whatever form it takes. to countries, you're going to conform to our rules, and we have the power to enforce it. And as Carney has recognized, it doesn't exist any longer. And as somebody from Chatham House,

the big British think tank said, the rules-based order only works if someone is enforcing it. And the only country that can enforce it is the United States. And Donald Trump isn't enforcing it any longer. So I think you actually have a world which is changing out there. Now come back to Canada. You know, aside from the fact that Mark Carney is not acting on behalf of Canada, he's acting on behalf of this globalist system, what is the issue of Canada? Well, go back to Chatham House. I keep my eye on them. This is the premier British foreign policy think tank.

It was created at the beginning of the 20th century when the British realized they weren't going to be able to physically stop the United States, so they had to figure out how to manipulate the United States to do what they wanted, right? and infiltrate our foreign policy and shape how we looked at the world, train our foreign policy elites. By the way, that's what the road scholarships are about. And just from the standpoint of current politics right now, I'm sure everybody is looking at the election victory of Abdul al-Sayed here in Michigan, the radical leftist who just won the Democratic primary for Senate here in Michigan, and everybody's hair is on fire because he's a socialist and he's a Muslim.

No, he's an agent of empire. He's a Rhodes Scholar. This guy is not some unwashed lefty. This is somebody who was trained by the empire to come in and carry out a specific kind of policy here in the United States. But that's a digression. I just wanted to mention the apparatus that the empire has set up to try and control things. But I brought it up because I wanted to reference Chatham House. A couple of weeks ago, I watched a seminar. at Chatham House, and they were talking about Canada. And they, well, they were talking about tariffs, and they were talking about the last president who really aggressively used tariffs, which was William McKinley, back at the end of the 19th century, beginning of the 20th, and of course he was assassinated in 1901.

And one of the panelists at Chatham House said that McKinley's, even before he was president, McKinley's proposal for aggressive tariffs on Canada was seen as something that was going to be so impactful it would force Canada to join the United States. In other words, even back then, there was a recognition, Canada shouldn't be some outposts of the British Empire

on our northern borders. And it is. I mean, you know, although I get pushed back from this. The king is sovereign in Canada, not your prime minister. Your governor general on orders from the king could replace your prime minister without

a vote. They almost never did that. They did that in Australia back in the 1960s. But rather than Canada being an outpost of British imperialism, how about Canada? I mean, I'd be perfectly happy for it to be a sovereign nation, but throughout our history, the

possibility of Canada being part of the United States, if you go all the way back to the decades after the American Revolution that was a very real potentiality at various points. Not because we want to conquer it, but why not have the enormous resources of this region actually developed for the benefit of the people in the region? That's, you know, that's the future for Canada as far as I can see. Again, whether it's a 51st state or whether it's just, why don't you become sovereign nation again? Yeah, get her act together. and actually, you know, that's been one of the things of the tour across Canada that has become apparent to me, right?

It started in Manitoba because I just looked at it, you know, and, you know, this is probably just the way our provinces are, you know, and friendly competitions and everything. You just kind of look down on Manitoba from being born in Saskatchewan, which is funny because then you go to Manitoba, you're like, man, this is a beautiful province. Why haven't things been developed here? why haven't you had a premier go we're going to do a bunch of things that would actually benefit the province in like really measurable ways I would assume right

is it going to take some political will yes is it going to take some money yes is it going to put people to work it's going to be building things and you know I when you talk about Canada 51st or Canada sovereign my brain is immediately goes I don't want to be

under somebody else's thumb I tell Tom this all the time long ago because he brings up we're coming to break you guys out of what you're in. And I go, yeah, we don't, we're sitting there. We just need the Canadian spirit to come back because like you, you talk to, well, in my world, some of my peers or some of the elders that I've interviewed or military men and the stories they tell of what Canada was and what we, what we were capable of is pretty,

pretty cool. It's pretty cool history. And yet when you travel now, it's like, how did you? How did I keep Every province has its own thing that kind of dawns on me Manitoba's like why haven't they developed to the north Right like deep sea ports and different things like that Because out in the west you'd be like well I'm pretty sure

Alberta and Saskatchewan for sure would use it I can almost guarantee it because at times we're landlocked Right and we're under the thumb of BC and what they're allowing And just friendly competition Would unlock some of that it would have to because you know if all of a sudden you start shipping everything to Manitoba instead of BC, BC would either go, well, we don't want it, or they'd have to realize, oh, wait, we don't have a monopoly on this anymore.

Or if, you know, you started shipping more to the United States, right? There's lots of different avenues. In Ontario, the thing that sticks out to me is I'm like, man, this is a beautiful spot. How on earth did they ever convince people that were killing the planet? When you go 20 minutes north, and I've said this in multiple interviews now. When you go 20 minutes north of Toronto,

it is absolutely gorgeous countryside. And they talked, you know, Trudeau talked about a billion trees being planted. We're going to get all these trees. And I'm like, where are you going to plan them? There's nowhere to plan them. All it is is trees. I'm like, how did they convince a population? This is a good idea.

Out in the west, I could actually see it because we live in the prairies and a few more trees wouldn't be that big a deal. You know, back in the day, they had the tree belt program to help farmers build their, their trees up so they could protect the fields and erosion and different things like that. And that made sense out west. Further I go east. I'm like, it doesn't make any sense.

I don't know how you convince these people that we're going to do carbon capture everywhere and we're going to plant all these trees and we're saving the planet. When you go 20 minutes north are your biggest, you know, arguably the heart of Canada and Toronto, right? They would all say it's the center, I assume. It's certainly treated that way up north. But you go 20 minutes north and it's beautiful. country. Like, it's incredibly beautiful country. And there's nowhere to plant trees. I'm like,

it doesn't make any sense. And yet they've convinced Canadians that, you know, we're destroying the planet. I actually am almost shocked by it when I drive through it. Yeah. No, it's, it's, it's, this is actually the essence of how the British Empire rules, uh, in the last 125 years. That is, not through conquest, not through physical means, but through ideological, infiltration of the way people think. The entire environmentalist movement, you can trace it back to, you can trace it back to the British, the British royal family, beginning of the 20th century, very, very conscious. And it's all based on the fundamental idea that man is no better than an animal. There's a fixed carrying capacity on the planet. That's true for animals. An animal can't change

its relationship to nature, right? You know, a cow is going to graze and it's going to eat the same amount no matter what. And once it runs out of grazing, it either moves someplace else or it's going to die out. Human beings create new things. I mean, the whole question of the development of fire. It's really a rather fascinating thing to think about this. We're the only species that isn't afraid of fire. Every other species is afraid of fire. What did we do? We figured out how to harness it. you know, first just to cook with, and then charcoal, and then we, you know, figured out how to use fossil fuels for energy, and then nuclear power, and now we're on the verge of the fusion age. And I was just watching the NASA administrator, who's this wonderfully optimistic man, Jared Isaacman,

talking about, you know, in the future we're going to have matter, anti-matter, and it's going to take us beyond the solar system. Well, that's what human beings can do, because we have a creative capacity that no other species has, we discover the principles that God is embedded in the universe, and we say, oh, wow, here's a new principle we've just discovered. Let's see if this works. You know, let's see if I can harness fire. Let's see what happens when I make charcoal. I get a higher degree of heat, and wow, I can melt a different kind of metal, and all of a sudden I've created bronze. These are all things from the human mind. And what is environmentalism and imperialism all based on, that that creative potentiality isn't there because you're really

no better than an animal. And therefore, we're going to have too many people, you know, go back to Parson Malthus, the so-called Malthusian arguments from the beginning of the 19th century. That population will always outstrip its ability to feed itself. I mean, that was considered, you know, a sacrosanct policy within the British imperial system. Well, how many people did we have in, you know, 1800? Well, we've got billions and billions more because we figured out modern agriculture. Now, can all of this be subverted? You know, can you have bad versions of technology? Can you... Certainly. You know, can you use pesticides in the wrong way? Of course you can, but do you want to get rid of all pesticides? Honestly, no, I don't think so. But it's always

a question of who's going to use the technology, not the technology per se, but what environment And the imperial system says it starts with this premise, no, no, no, no, you're no different than an animal. We're just going to manage you. You can't impact Mother Earth. You know, that's the whole carbon nonsense. So with Donald Trump or any president that comes in the future is one of the challenges with the American people or even you think of the Canadian people is having the them believe in themselves again. You mentioned like victim mentality and and how that's been sewn into us. I don't know how many Canadians I've run into Susan as I go across. And none of these are people that have been on the podcast folks. They're just, there's just random people that I've, you know, just friendly Sean. I'm sure Mel at times is like, man, I strike up conversations with

just about anyone. As people are learning from the podcast, as I, you know, a couple of the interviews, I just pulled out of Mike and I'm like, I want to interview this person. But there's a lot of like, I'm just one person. There's nothing I can do. This is my lot in life. And, you know, I'm just going to, you know, try and muddle my way through it. And that mentality wouldn't have been there, well, certainly in my area, 100 and about 20 years ago, when they were first getting to Saskatchewan in Alberta and, you know, setting up homesteads

and dealing with the elements. And, like, they had to struggle. in a crazy way when you read the old stories. I'm like, man, we would, and part of me goes, we wouldn't survive. And then I go, no, we'd find a way to survive. And you have to, you're talking about trying to get a population to believe in itself again. Right. They're capable of great things.

Remember that they're humans. You know, remember that God-given capability of creativity. But, you know, when you think about what you were describing in Saskatchewan and 100 years ago and pushing the frontiers, what was the underlying characteristic? You were in the real world. The real world was telling you, okay, you can't have a bad opinion. You actually have to know how this world works if you're going to build what you need to build

and produce the food that you need and so on. I often say, you know, people, this whole relativistic world that we live in, well, I have the right to my own opinion. Well, you have a right to your opinion that you can plant in December, but within one cycle you're going to learn that your opinion was wrong. Now, you can cling to that opinion and starve to death, or you can get your butt into the real world and start actually making your decisions from the standpoint of the way the universe works. So on your, you know, like in today's world, Donald Trump, there's people that, you know, because like, on the podcast, I see it. People that are very much Donald Trump is part of the Uniparty controlled.

I brought this up to you last time. But then you, you know, you sit in a very blue-collar area of the United States. Online, you get, I assume, you know, from some of the things I've listened to, harassed by a lot of people who are like, you've lost your mind, you're a shell, you're take the pick of words. I'm curious, like, when you walk around and you're talking to the people who live in your community, the blue-collar families, the people who live in your community, the blue-collar families, the people who are, or just going to work every day. What do they think, like, what are the conversations you see happening around Donald Trump and what's happening here in the United States? Well, the most important thing.

I mean, we always have this dialogue among our supporters and others. We have a lot of literature which leads with Donald Trump. And that will get you so far in terms of the people who are more or less already Trump supporters, or at least are not completely deranged. But there's another layer of the population, where maybe you just want to start talking about the economy. Maybe you want to just start talking about, gee, what do you think about increasing the skilled trades jobs for people?

And that resonates very, very strongly. You realize that resonates up in Canada. Right now, among the people that I know and talk to that are in this kind of independent media sphere, they're concerned because they see the Americans talking about blue collar and wanting to attract that. And there is a lot of brilliant people up north that are listening to that and going, wait a second, they want us to come? Interesting. And I think a lot of us are interested to see if there's more brain drink. Because there's already

been a ton of people leave Canada, right? This is not a new conversation. Whether or not it gets talked about a lot on the podcast, I don't know. But in everyday conversations, in people I know, there's a lot that are exploring it, have left, have went on their own trips. You know, one of the first things I got asked when I was doing this year-long road trip, are you coming back? And I'm like, yeah, I'm coming back. But I understand why people are concerned about that, because the direction Canada had been heading and maybe continues to head. You know, I got hope, not too much hope, but I do place a fair amount of hope that Daniel Smith is in Alberta

and the people of Alberta in general are pushing for things to make, like, life better, not worse. But I do see a lot of Canadians like, you know, it just doesn't feel like it's going to get better anytime soon. And when they hear the blue collar talk, and when they hear, you know, the Mike Roe of the world championing that, they're like, that's interesting. Yeah. That sounds like there is a positive direction happening in the United States. And I think a lot of people are staring at that going, I wonder how many people are going to move down south and go, work in the trades that they already know and love in Canada and take their skills where they're appreciated. Yeah, no, I think it's very, very resident. A couple of days ago, I saw a really

fascinating thing on the local news. Of course, in the Senate race, you've now got the radical Abdul El-Said as the Democrat. The Republican is Mike Rogers. And Rogers is somebody who's evolved. He ran in 2024. I thought he ran a terrible campaign. You know, typical Republican free market, neocon. He really didn't channel Donald Trump all that much in 2024, and he lost. So when he ran again, I'm out there all the time, and I'm constantly buttonholing him, talking to him, giving him our stuff, and so on. And recently at a local event, he acknowledged, he said, you know, Susan's been on my case for a year on this.

And he's now talking about precisely these questions. Blue-collar jobs, the trades. Turns out his father was a shop teacher. So one of his big applause lines is we've got to get shop back in every classroom. And that's always a big applause line. But what's interesting is, of course, the Abdul-El-Said victory came, was a squeaker. And the reason it was so close is the black. population and the blue collar population here in Wayne County they did not vote

for him they voted for the more traditional Democrat Haley Stevens as terrible a candidate as she was but they just were not going to go with this radical stuff so here's what happened I saw this on the local news the one of the city council women black city councilwoman Mary Waters was being interviewed on the local news because she had just had breakfast with Mike Rogers which is highly unusual, right? Republican, Trump, Senate candidate, black Detroit City Councilwoman,

and the interviewer was saying, well, that's interesting. What happened? He said, well, he was a very nice man, and people should hear what he has to say, and the things that was most intrigued about is what he had to say about the skilled trades, right? So there's common interests,

black Democrats in Detroit who want a better life for their kids because they do remember when Detroit had the highest per capita standard of living in the country. Their parents or their grandparents lived that life, and then it was taken away from them. And what Rogers and what Trump and others are saying is let's bring that back. And this is resonating with a, I mean, that was the fact that this Democratic Black City Council woman not only had breakfast with him but went public is like a complete political revolution. Now, she was asked, obviously, are you going to endorse him?

And she said, no, I'm not going to endorse anybody. But I want Detroiters to think for themselves. I want them to go hear what everybody has to say. But this is... That in itself is different, isn't it? It's different. But it also impinges on this other question because the question of the skilled trades,

the question of blue-collar jobs, the question of how do you actually grow an economy? This is in the real world. The way the empire brainwashes you they keep you out of the real world and they put you in the social media sphere or some crazy narrative that they've created like mankind is a pox on the planet

and there's too many of us. But go into the real world and it's very different and the more that we sort of force people, which is why, I mean, this is another point I bring up, in 2023, the UAW was on strike and Donald Trump was already running in 2023. We went to the picket lines and I wrote a leaflet that said

Donald Trump's message to auto workers and it just went through his commitment on tariffs and to get rid of the green mandates and get rid of the EV mandates and all this kind of stuff. 2023, we already found 60% of the auto workers

were for Donald Trump despite their union leadership being totally all in on the Democrats. And we found that across demographics, we could be at a suburban auto plant where a lot of the workers were white, 60% for Trump. We could be at a Detroit auto plant where the majority of workers were black and Hispanic and Muslim. Same 60% for Trump. It didn't matter what color your skin was. You were a

producer, you were a worker, you lived in the real world, you knew you couldn't have an opinion about an assembly line, because if your opinion was wrong, you were going to lose your hand. You know, there's a real world with real principles in it, and that's the world you live in. And if you live in the real world, it was obvious that you're going to vote for Donald Trump. Trump. Now, if you live in a world where you're just, as you were describing, you're a victim, you have no power, all you can do is beg to the powerful people to give you a few more crumbs, well, then you're going to have a different mentality and you probably are going to hate Donald Trump. But the more we can pull people into the real world, either with the actual jobs, which again

are going to take a while to bring online, or just open up their mind to this idea of, a world where I'm not a victim, I'm not a consumer, I'm not a loser, I'm a world where, as Scott Besson said, I think the lower 50% of Americans are winners. It's the system that was rigged and we're going to fix the system. That's what we have to get across to people, that they're living in a system which makes them losers, and they don't have to be, and this administration is changing the system. Yeah, it'll be, it's just a mentality change, right? Yeah, it is. And I mean, I think of Daniel Smith in Alberta, right?

One of the things going across Canada, you know, in Alberta, we're a raucous group. I'm stealing that, I think, even from Daniel Smith, I think she was the first one I heard say it. But when she said, I was like, that actually tracks. That's exactly what we are. We're never, we're never okay with just the status quo. But when you think of like in Canada where I go, everybody loves. looks at her and they speak very highly of her from their other side because they want some of the things she's doing and you know one of the the things that's coming in I believe this school year

is like the pride flakes all got to be gone you know the the criticism of her from the left is there was book bannings well it's all the books with stuff you'd never want children to ever have access to yes and so those paying attention are like that's a win that is a giant win we have to celebrate those wins because that is a mentality change from where we were heading. We're heading into this world of, and we still have to, you know, like, I mean, some of the social media lately, I'm forgetting the guy's name, the WMBA, you know, and men trying to get in there and trying to. A six foot 11 basketball player. Correct. You know, like it's, it's got, I just assumed, you know, at times we're just past this and then you realize, oh, maybe we're not. And actually

in some of the conversations I've had offline with people closer to politics, You realize the, what is a woman question, actually hasn't, we haven't gotten out of that yet, which is a bit shocking because I just assumed, you know, but this kind of comes back to, you can put in something, you can have a mentality change, but for it to actually go through the entire society, it takes time for it to work its way through. It's okay to just talk about it. And life is going to move on and we're not doing those things anymore, but you have to undo all the crazy policies that are put in in the education system, the workforce,

et cetera, et cetera. I mean, like our entire parliament under Trudeau specifically was the DEI mishmash of mishmashes. You're just like, that is not the way to do things, you know? And I think most people can see that. They just don't know how to articulate it. Well, and it's also the question of leadership. I mean, that's why Trump, Trump has to be a decision. disruptor. He has to do outrageous things because you really have to see that somebody is willing

to stand up and be the little boy who says the emperor has no clothes on. You've got to break this mind control, which is really what, you know, you're in this world. Look, this is one of the elements of classic social control. They call it small group dynamics, but now it's much, much bigger, right, where you locate your identity in your little group and you do not want to fall out of favor with your little group. But now with social media, with the information age that we've been in, your little group is your whole society, right? So your whole society says you have to believe that men can transition to women. You have to believe that children are cats. so you put kitty litter in the bathrooms in their schools.

I mean, you're telling people you have to believe in mental illness. And if you don't believe that, your group is going to ostracize you. So Donald Trump comes in like bowling in a China shop and says, this is all crap. None of this is true. I'm not playing by this game. I'm not going to be polite. I'm going to post outrageous things because you just have to break this world of social control

of small group dynamics, which is now large group dynamics, and just say, no, I'm not, I'm not living in this world where people claim that things which are patently insane are true. I mean, the thing that gets me as much as anything, I mean, yes, men transitioning to women, as we were discussing earlier, my husband is running for statehouse here, and he's running against a man who has transitioned to be Joanna. That's nuts. But even more nuts, you really think about how far your society has gone. They are allowing children to think that they're cats and they're putting kitty litter in the bathrooms in the schools. This is insane. This is mental illness being imposed on a society. So you have to have a disruptor who comes in and says, nope, I'm not playing by any of those

games. I'm going to do completely outrageous things. The online world, right? I don't know you talk watching Chathamhous and different things like that. I think a lot of people, where I come from, watch Tucker Carlson or Sean Ryan, I don't know, there's probably a handful others. Candice Owens, forgive me, there's probably others that I'm not thinking on. When you watch them, you know, like I was just telling you, I listened, you know, on the drive here this morning. I was listening a couple of your videos and then I listened to Tucker and, oh, Biden, Hunter Biden.

And I was like, that's a. interesting dynamic. Okay. When you see all these large social media figures after Donald Trump, right, that he isn't who he said he was, that he's led us into a war with Iran, that, you know, all these different things, what do you say to the common person that's trying to decipher what's actually going on? Well, I think they have to be grounded in the world that I discussed at the outset of this, because all of the claims of what Trump is doing or isn't doing and so on is in this kind of one-dimensional world of, I always call it of nouns. You know, Iran, war is bad. That's as far as you go. As opposed to what is Donald Trump

committed to doing? Donald Trump is committed to dismantling the globalist system, and he's been doing it step by step by step. And you look at the war question. Well, first of all, look at what he did with Venezuela. That was not a war. As he points out, that was a 48-minute operation, which pulled a key node of global drug trafficking and terrorism out of position without destroying the society, without disrupting the society. And then what did Donald Trump do next? The whole regime-change crowd wanted him to bring in Machado from the outside. They gave her the Nobel Peace Prize. They played her up. A typical regime change. pull one guy out, put your globalist puppet in, and then the country becomes ungovernable.

Did he do that? No. He elevates the vice president, Delci Rodriguez, and is working with this government, stabilizing the country, giving it the opportunity to spin up its oil and get some money back into the population, and so on. This is completely different from the dynamic of regime change. Now, the war with Iran is a little bit more complicated because the IRGC is a little bit more entrenched than Maduro was in Venezuela. But he is not going for regime change. I mean, when you look at why this is going on so long, he doesn't want to bomb them back to the Stone Age because it's a country of 91 million people, probably at least half of which wish they were under a different government. but at the same time he can't leave this very evil, dangerous regime in place. So he's constantly being attacked of waffling, taco, Trump always chickens out, and so on.

He's starving this regime. He's creating a completely different geometry in the Mideast, where they are no longer going to be the choke point. And he's going to allow for some kind of evolution inside the country. This is not regime change, and this is not a perpetual war. But these other guys are just in this kind of one-dimensional world where what they leave out of everything is the essential. There is a globalist financier elite. There is a British imperial system. That has been the primary dynamic in the world throughout the 20th century.

And this is an administration which is dismantling it. But if they ignore that that's the primary dynamic in the world, then you just sort of reduce this. thing to a series of, you know, silly issues, you know, war bad. No, no, war isn't always bad. Sometimes you've got to fight a war. The question is, how are you fighting it and what's your purpose? Every war we fought in the post-war period has been part of the British perpetual war machine. But again, you look at Venezuela and then map what Trump's intentions and outcome in Venezuela was, which is get rid of the problem and stabilize the country. He's doing the same thing in Iran. It's just much more difficult because, again, the IRGC is a much more formidable

force than one man in Venezuela. But it's coming from a completely different place. And until you get people into that different place, which is the fight is the fight against a British imperial system and dismantling both their economic and their strategic policies, you probably won't have much effect on the people who are listening to Tucker. But if you can get them into that other dialogue, into that other world of the fight between the two systems, then I think you've got a fighting chance. Has Donald Trump in his time in the second term done anything that's made Susan Kukin to go, why is he doing that?

Oh, a lot of times. like tweeting Jesus Christ, you know, and saying to, or the big one was saying to the Iranians on Easter Sunday, F you, right? I mean, he dropped the F-baum on the Iranians on Easter Sunday. So you sit there and you go, oh, did he really have to do that? And then you stop and think, why did he do that? And it always takes me some period of time. It's taking less time now that I realize, all right, just take a breath. think this thing through strategically.

Sometimes it took longer. I mean, look, when I first, when I heard about the attack on Venezuela, Senator was saying, holy crap, what is this? You know, and then you stop and you see what he was actually doing. But you go back to that F-bomb on Easter Sunday. Who was that directed against? The American people? No.

What the Iranians were counting on is that Trump would be under so much pressure in the United States to end this thing because of the mid-day. terms, they could use that as leverage. And of course, they're still trying to do that with the help of the media and the Democrats who are all sitting there basically backing the IRGC. What Trump was doing with that was saying to the Iranians, I don't care about the midterms. In other words, I'm not, my strategic approach to you is not going to be affected by the fact that it's going to hurt me in the midterms. I'm doing what I have to do to you because I believe it's strategically necessary. And I will live with the consequences in terms of the midterms. It was directed to them saying, you think you can

manipulate me by making me afraid of the population here? No. I don't care what they think. I mean, I think that's why he did it. Maybe I'm wrong. But it's always the kinds of things where you do this, and I do do that. Honestly, some of his endorsements, I sit there and I say, why the hell did he endorse that person? I know that person. I know there's a better person in that race. And honestly, in some of those cases, I don't know why he does it.

And sometimes it's going to take a little while to figure it out. And sometimes he probably does occasionally make a mistake. I don't think he's Jesus Christ and I don't think he walks on water. But strategically, I haven't been disappointed yet in terms of the decisions he's made. Am I safe to say?

your entire life, you know, if you go back, if folks go back and listen to the first time you're on, and they hear, you know, your journey of watching American politics and being involved in it, you've been waiting all your life for a leadership group to come in and try and put America back in a place where people can succeed and believe in the future. And what you're seeing from Donald Trump,

even when you tap, you're like, what is you doing? And overall, you're saying, overall, he's trying to move the American people and the policies and the structure of what America means to the world this direction, which is a large undertaking, to say the least. Yeah, he's the, I mean, throughout my own political history, there have been presidents where I've supported some of their policies. Ronald Reagan. My organization was intimately involved in developing the idea which Reagan ultimately announced as the strategic defense. Intent initiative, so-called Star Wars, which is now back as the Golden Dome. So there have been presidents throughout my career where I've supported things that they were trying to do, and in some limited cases, they did them.

But this is the first president, which understands we need a systemic change. This is not, okay, here's a policy I like that he's fighting for. This is a president who says, our nation was hijacked by a state. set of policies that go back in their, I'd say their post-war formed in 1971, and that this entire administration is committed to changing that systemic problem. That is so important for people to understand. The midterms are right around the corner. And, you know, like, when I look at different countries and how they're governed, one of the things about the United States that is obviously very different than a lot of places is it seems like you're in constant mode of elections,

right? If it isn't the major one, it's the midterms. And so it's constantly gearing up for the next thing and then the next thing. And then, you know, I've listened to lots of different podcasts where you're just going to wait out the next American president because, I mean, they only got a short window to actually do things. When you look at these midterms coming up, how important are they? I assume they're important, but, you know, like, oh, they're really? important because under normal circumstances, they have an importance because if a president doesn't have his party in power in one or both houses, it's much more difficult for him to move his agenda forward. But under the current circumstances where our Democratic Party has

gone bad shit crazy by design, if we lose the House in the Senate, they will impeach him. There's no question about that. If we lose the... the House, well, they would impeach him and convict him, because that's how impeachment works. You get tried in the House, and then you get sentenced in the Senate, basically. So losing both houses would be a disaster. I don't think that's going to happen. Certainly, the situation in Michigan is one that shifted dramatically because of the El-Sayed victory. This is Mike Rogers' race to lose, which means we can pick this up. I think we'll hold the Senate. And I think, and we're actually a long way from the midterms, even though it doesn't feel like it.

Donald Trump is a master of changing the agenda. And if he changes the agenda, he's doing something very unusual. He's having a midterm convention in Dallas, which is just going to be a big pep rally for his policies to get out to the American people. Hey, this is what we're really doing. They're not going to tell you this in the media, but this is the jobs. This is the trades. This is the space program.

This is what we're doing. This is the future we're giving you. I think he's going to do everything in his masterful power to retake the agenda and the narrative, in which case I think we could when hold on to both the Senate and the House. And then we're on supercharge in terms of what he can do. So they are important, and we're constantly, stressing that this question of the change in the system, and even if you don't feel it today,

don't you want to know that we're now going in the right direction instead of going to hell where we've been going, and don't you want to vote for that? I think if we can get that across, I think we're going to be okay. I've been asking everywhere I go, because obviously in Alberta, we have our own big day coming in October on a referendum. Right now, once again, I always position. It's a referendum to have an official referendum, but regardless, it's even, you know, just watch the way media and Canada is covering it. They're covering it like, this is, this is a referendum. And Alberta is talking about leaving the country. Your thoughts, do, you know, does Susan give any time to what Alberta is doing? Does do Americans even care what Alberta is doing? Oh, I think

the MAGA movement does. I think they would like to see Alberta. to pass that referendum because I think people understand what's at stake in terms of being trapped in an imperial country and wanting to get out of that kind of stranglehold. That being said, given the fact that Mark Carney has the assignment that he has from the globalist elite, I don't think that they're going to let it be very easy for Alberta to do this. Well, no, certainly in all the people I've talked to well before I left on the trip, they talked about this is going to be a very difficult process, right? This isn't going to be where everybody cheers you on and say bomb voyage.

You know, you even think of third largest explored oil reserves in the world. You know, the world is watching that. That's right. And this isn't some little place just trying to get out and carry on with life. there's a lot of wealth there that is untapped. Some of it is tapped. That I, whether it was the British or whoever,

it doesn't matter. It's like this large wealth creation just sitting there. You're not going to let that just walk out the door, right? So they're going to throw everything they can. Exactly. Humanly possibly throw at it to make sure it doesn't leave, you know? So Albertans, I think, know or should know, if you want to leave, this is not an easy process, right? It just isn't going to be,

you know, allowed, which means, you know, then you have to get out and become involved in your communities and go out and have conversations and get involved. Because if you want to see the change, you have to be the change. Right. It's going to, whatever the outcome, it's going to be an important step in a process which I think hopefully ultimately will liberate Canada in whatever form. to actually develop itself. I guess the other question I've been asking is a fun one, I think, you know, and for people who want nothing but geopolitics, I apologize. But, you know, I'm on a year-long road trip with family.

But asking all the different people I run into, do you have a favorite memory? You know, like, we had, I forget, who is it? Was it Miller? Was it Minister Miller, folks? I can't remember talking about, like, you know, if you take a family road trip or you take, you know, you're killing the planet type thing. And I chuckle about that, regardless.

now I'm asking everybody what their favorite memory of a road trip, whether it was, you know, as a kid or as a parent or, you know, is, do you have memories of camping or road trips where you're like, oh, yes, this is this is the one? Oh, well, we were talking about the Gordyhow Bridge and how big and beautiful it is. Well, it's now eclipsed our other big beautiful bridge, which is the Mighty Mac, the McAnaw Bridge. All my life, we would travel up north to the Upper Peninsula to visit family. And my family. And my favorite moment in the whole process, and it still is, is the moment I get on that bridge and I come out on the other side in the Upper Peninsula and you're breathing U.P. Air. Breathing U.P. Air. Yeah. I mean, once you're on the other side of the bridge, you're in the Upper Peninsula, and it just

seems like the air is fresher, and you know you're in God's country. I used to say, well, I still think it, but, you know, like in Albert and in Saskatchewan, being a border city, you know, like, I'm like, oh, we're God's country. But like, it's funny traveling all of Canada. And then we've dipped down into different parts of the states. You know, we went to Mackinac, Mackinac Island. McAnneux Island. I can't say it right. Right. Regardless. That's all right. You liked it because our Senate candidate was caught on a hot mic from a couple of years ago saying he hated it. El Saeed said, I hate this place. And that's now gone viral.

Really? It's, it was, it was beautiful. And actually, everywhere I go, I've just like, I just see such potential. Mm-hmm. Like the potential of Canada is insane to me. I always knew it was there, but like traveling it and seeing what our country has to offer, you're like, holy mac, we could be, we could be something, we are something wonderful, but we could just take it to new levels if we just had that direction set for us, you know? Like, it's one of the things I admire about what you're saying, what you feel as an American,

And I think with the leadership in charges, you're like, I think there's possibilities for us. And isn't that such a hopeful thing when we've lived in this world of like, I come through the COVID era. And then, you know, like all the major things that are going wrong in Canada, you're like, why aren't we addressing these? Why aren't we just cutting these off at the root and being like, we're not going to do this anymore? We need to stop some of these things. You need to start building things. We need to start taking care. We need to start building the front.

We need to start talking to Donald Trump and other Americans of like, we need to start opening up these conversations. conversations, although we need to open up conversations between the provinces too, right? Like, I mean, we're in this strange world in Canada. And coming down to the states or traveling Canada, you can see it, you know, you can almost feel it. Yeah, I think that's true. Look, you mentioned hope. I think that's the most important thing. I mean, remember, faith, hope, and charity, actually the best Greek translation of that is Agape, because it's a quality of love which transcends everything. But hope is in there. And, you know, we name. ourselves Promethean action. And the myth of Prometheus is important from two standpoints.

Number one, he was the god who stole fire from the other gods to give to mankind so that mankind could develop. It's a very powerful metaphor. But the other thing that Prometheus says he gave mankind was hope. If you don't have hope, you're not human. And you know, you may find this funny. I don't know. I find this funny. When I first started coming to the United States, now this is Like, I mean, I lived in Wisconsin for four years. Obviously married to an American. And what was that? Okay, so I'm like 15 to 20 years ago, roughly.

I remember thinking Americans just kind of a little bit rough around the edges. These days, even this morning in Detroit stopped and got gas, everyone seems bloody polite. And I'm not saying Canadians aren't polite, but even traveling northern Ontario, there was a moment where you could almost feel it. It was kind of like we were outsider. It felt uncomfortable.

My wife was talking about it. It was only about a, I'm going to say, a five-hour strip of northern Ontario before everybody started to be a little more friendly again and everything. But coming to the States over the last couple years, to me, maybe I'm wrong in this. Maybe my listenership will say something different. But I've really noticed that Americans have become the friends. I'm like, when did that happen? I thought Canadians were supposed to be the friendly Canadians,

and lots of Canadians are. I raved about Manitoba and I continue to about how friendly the population was there and how inviting in they were of different, you know, different communities, just bringing my family in. But Americans, it just seems everywhere I go, they're so friendly right now. Is that a change you noticed or am I just? I don't know if it's a change. Well, I noticed it from different parts of the country. I lived in Virginia for a long time and then came back to where I grew up here in Michigan. I could certainly tell the difference between Michigan and Virginia. They're much friendlier here in Michigan. But look at the responses you got from the World Cup, right? I mean, all the videos were viral of people saying I was blown away with the United States. Yeah, you know, friendly, happy,

free. They have beautiful things. Yeah. I think that's there. And I think if there has been a discernible change, it's probably because of Trump. Because I think Trump is giving people, whether people are conscious of it or not, I think he's giving people permission to be proud of the country again. He's giving people permission to be happy because we may indeed have a glorious future. I think that changes people. Yeah, well, I mean, I go back to the the Freedom Convoy and other than our Canadian hockey team, you know, that's the most proud I'd ever been of the Canadian flag. And at that time, it was a symbol of hate. That's the way the media portrayed it, right? And that was a very strange thing to witness people coming together and the love and the unity and all the lovely words, you know,

just of people coming out and being very proud of the Canadian flag and then have media government be like, this is this is not Canadian, you're, you know, your fringe minority, all these different things. Being proud of your country and where you're from is people can feel that. Once again, whether you realize it or not. Because, you know, like now being an Albertan, very proud of the fact we're not okay with just the status quo. People can love her. hate that. It's just, yeah, we're rock a scrope. We're not okay with the way things are going. And we want more and we want things to change and we want some of our values back that I think a lot of Canadians want back. It's just in Alberta, there's an environment where you can voice it. And what Donald Trump

does, I think, for all the United States is he makes it free to voice your concerns, I think, right? Because he's the guy kicking everything over. You're like, at the time, you're like, I'm sitting as a Canadian watcher, I'm like, what is he doing? You know, but he's kicking everything over. That's right. And that's creating an environment of where discussion is happening freely everywhere right now. No, that's, and that's the key. Once people, once you feel your mind start to move, as opposed to just being stuck, your mind starts to move. You start to think you have a conversation with somebody. It's hard to put that back in the box.

Well, Susan, I thank you for inviting me in and allowing me to come here. you know, it's been pretty cool to come to people's places of probably solitude where they get away from the craziness and to be welcome in and you'd be okay with me coming here and everything else. But thanks for sitting with me and actually getting to meet you in person, sit across the table from you. It's nice to finally meet you, I guess, and I just appreciate you having me in. Well, it's been wonderful to meet you too.