Shaun Newman Podcast - #1121 - Matt Ehret

Episode Date: September 2, 2026

Matthew Ehret is a Canadian journalist, lecturer, and historian based in Montreal. He is editor-in-chief of the Canadian Patriot Review, director of the Rising Tide Foundation, and a Senior Fellow at the American University in Moscow. He is the author of the Untold History of Canada and Clash of the Two Americas series, as well as Science Unshackled, and writes widely on geopolitics, political economy, and hidden currents in Western history. He also co-hosts programs including Breaking History on Badlands Media.Cornerstone Forum 26’https://shaunnewmanpodcast.substack.com/Silver Gold Bull Links:Website: https://silvergoldbull.ca/Email: [e-mail] Grahame: [phone]Bow Valley Credit UnionBitcoin: www.bowvalleycu.com/en/personal/investing-wealth/bitcoin-gatewayEmail: [e-mail] Get your voice heard: Text Shaun 587-217-8500

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woke up in the middle of the night to a rustling in the front of the the camper or outside the front of the camper and it was a skunk had chewed a hole in the garbage bag and had climbed inside garbage bag and was just rustling around it and um well that was a first so i i was sitting there and i was contemplating like if i go out there am i going to get sprayed like do i just grab the garbage bag and you know i'm you know i had a whole bunch of thoughts anyways i made a racket with the the door and it kind of sauntered off like yeah i'm here so i'm sitting there beside bell and i'm i'm like here was a skunk who didn't even like really run off i'm like okay and she's explaining how skunks are kind of like raccoons you know garbage divers i did not know that you know coming from the

farm whenever you see a skunk you just assume like something comes back being sprayed so i just assumed that's anyways i did not realize a skunk would would climb into a garbage bag that was new and walking the laundry last night whether it was the same one or different one i don't know if the place has skunks anyways we're in quebec pepe le pi it just seemed like a fitting story to share about quebec nobody got sprayed the garbage got taken out that's what i got for you hopefully uh wherever you're at you're having a great day we're on the road now let's get onto that tale of the tape journalist, lecturer, and founder of the Canadian Patriot Review. I'm talking about Matt Arrett. So buckle up. Here we go.

All right, welcome to the Sean Newman podcast. Today I'm joined by Matt Erritt. Matt, thanks for having me in your house. All the things, we don't have to get too far into the pleasantries. We've been talking for probably the last hour since I got here. So I don't know where you want to start, stop, hop in. You know, like we were, I don't know. We got deep into the occult and different things like that. Me and you've had plenty of conversations over the last couple years. Obviously, you've been out to the forum now twice. And so I don't think you need any introduction to the audience.

But I don't know. First off, thanks for doing this. It's cool to be in your neck of the woods and get to come to your place and, you know, kind of experience your area a little bit. Quebec has been interesting, to say the least. Well, Sean, thank you for coming to my place. And yeah, it was funny. The second you walked in, we didn't skip a beat and jumped immediately into discussions, metaphysical, political, historic without, I think it took maybe it took maybe it

and a minute and a half after asking you for any advice on treating a bad back. And we just went on overdrive and then at a certain point, like an hour and a half into it. We're like, maybe we should be recording this. So it's a pleasure to have you here, man. I'm glad that you can incorporate me into your, I guess this is an odyssey of sorts. What is this? I don't know. People have called it.

lots of different things. I mean, when I think of the Odyssey, I think of the man going off by himself. I have my family. Yeah, right. He left his wife and kids at home. And so the stark contrast would be wife and kids are definitely with, although I didn't drag them along for today. If you came to the campsite, you'd see everybody. And some of the guests have gotten to witness that, and others have not.

I figured if I brought them here, there was a good chance. They'd be bored real fast. and sometimes it's just nice to, you know, drive the hour, not have to worry about what the kids are going to do and everything else. But I don't know what to call it, if I'm being honest. I call it having a very good time and getting to see some country. And I never really labeled it when I got going. Just wanted to, you know, meet some of the people I've interviewed.

And I've been fortunate to meet you now multiple times, but certainly we've never done a podcast in person. So I thought that would be unique to explore. And certainly we haven't had adult conversation since we started. So I doubt it's going to stop now. Well, yeah, I think that that was part of the coming of age thing that historically has been the best thing you would really want to go through. It's an important part of life to be able to see the world to break out of the tribal sort of experience that we all have,

you know, growing up in a family, in a community, which is a beautiful thing. but you also want to compliment that with being able to have visceral experiences of other parts of the world. You know, our nation's a big nation. It could fit something like just Quebec alone, something like seven France's alone could fit in just Quebec. And we got, I mean, it's unheard of. You go to Europe and you talk about how driving across one country, Canada could take three and a half, four days of nonstop driving, no stops. And it's mind-boggling. So within that context, there's a lot of history.

There's a lot of different cultural groups. There's a lot of experiences that you can't really know as an intellectual exercise unless you go and talk to the people in Ontario. You talk to the people in Saskatch and you talk to the people in the Maritimes, which I've never done in my life. And it's something that you're inspiring me to actually finally pick up and go and see the maritime at some point. You've been all over the place.

It's not like you're not a well-traveled man. You've literally gone all across North America into parts of Europe, if not all of chunks of Europe. You've been over to Asia. I feel like you're a very well-traveled, man. It's just funny, you know, like, I don't judge anyone for not going across Canada. For me, as a 20-year-old, I guess 19, when my brother Dustin came back, and he'd just finish traveling the world for a year.

And I said, oh, where would you go next? Expect him to say, I don't know, some far off land. He said, Canada. And I said, what? Like, what are you talking about? He said, Canada. Why? He goes, because everywhere I go, people ask me about my country.

and I don't know. And so that's why we bike Canada. You know, he wanted to see the country. I wanted to travel. And so we went and bike Canada. And what you find out is we have a wonderful country. We're just governed by morons. And where you step in usually is to say, well, actually, it's not just governed by morons.

That's, you know, making it a little too simplistic. There's more to it than just that. It's a first degree truth, but there's other degrees to perfect that truthful statement. And that's actually one of the catalyzers for me back when I was starting to get more politically active in 2007. I began working with the Schiller Institute, which had a small branch in Canada. I think you and I have shared a little bit with you in past podcasts. In the U.S., it was known as the LaRouche organization. And I was volunteering with them. And it was a U.S.-based organization with little branches in different parts of the

world in France and Germany and Canada. Again, like I said, a small little branch here. But it was mostly U.S. politics. It was a very U.S.-centric thing. And I didn't really have much of an identity beyond somebody who was sort of floating, you know, born in 1982, floating kind of without much of a sense of bearing in as far as like, did I see myself as Canadian? Yeah, I did. But what did that mean to me? It was kind of a shallow idea.

It meant, you know, I like watching hockey. I like beer. I like, you know, I like maple syrup like we all do. It's universal. But it didn't really have like a strong sense of what that means in a deeper meaning, for good or for bad. You're originally from this area, correct? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So born in 82, you're essentially 13 when Quebec's talking about leaving the country, too. I mean, you think that would be an interesting development in any kid's life? Yeah, it was. And I remember the family talking about moving to Ontario or moving to the United States as a possibility at the time in 95. So did your parents or did your family, they were Canadians or, you know, staying in Canada? Yeah, yeah, they were going to stay in Canada. They were going to go, if the separation were to have happened, at that time, they were very much, or my mother, who I was living with, was very much of the orientation

that we're going to move to Ontario at that point. You know, the typical, um, naive, well-intended Canadian who still had believed in the mythos of Pierre Liot Trudeau, the guy who kept Canada together in times of crises are, you know, link into the north, you know, so there's a lot of that kind of stuff that we're fed in the East Coast heavy. Montreal, Anglophone communities, Ontario big time clearly, that you don't really get as heavy of a way in the West Coast. No, we thought he was a jackass. Yeah, or maybe some stronger words there.

Yeah, I'm sure you did. And you guys got abused heavily by the energy protocols that Morrie Strong brought in, and it was really draconian and a big FU to the people living there, which was a healthy thing that you didn't, you weren't as susceptible as the as the East Coasters were, who just got, you know, a lot of money, a bigger bureaucracy, not really, you know, our industries were hollowed out too. Don't get me wrong, but the equalization payments definitely favored us. So there was like a lack of asking questions of where does the money come from that's keeping our society going, you know, and yeah, part of it is we're

getting tax to death. Like in Quebec, you're getting like 14.5% sales taxes as a whole on every purchase on top of the fact that the Quebec government income tax is crazy. It's like five times worse than the federal. So you got that going. But then you, you know, and people think that that's where it's coming from. They don't even realize that there's on top of that. We're extracting wealth from Alberta and other provinces, but especially Alberta too. Sorry if you wanted to say something.

No, no, no. Actually, I was just kind of curious, you know, I kind of, of course or took you off on a different direction. I guess one of the things of the guests I've been had on the podcast multiple times. And certainly, you know, with the Cornerstone Forum and different things, I'm like, I usually, I usually, wait a while to ask about Alberta independence because I'm like I just kind of curious what you see out of it and I was getting you know normal normal guests especially first time guess I usually have it towards the end but you know you're a student of history right you look at a lot of the different things going on in different parts and how they you know kind of intertwine with each other and

Alberta independence or the referendum for independence what do you like you know I did I hadn't really put it together until you said your birthday. I'm like, oh, you know, you were a couple years older than me, and I remember thinking about Quebec's going to leave and being almost, why would they ever want to go? And so, you know, now as I'm going across the country, I know full well why Albertans are upset, and I'm kind of curious what other people say or think of it,

and now sitting with you, I'm like, I wonder what Matt has to say on what's happening out West. I can weave these two threads together. because it's true, I should probably tie up the orientation. I was kind of indirectly answering a question, and then I could tie it to what you just asked there, specifically on the Alberta referendum and independence more broadly. I can do that. So number one, when I was getting more politically engaged as part of like an activist orientation, I found myself going to the United States a lot. And a lot of American activists from the liberalist organization, you know, we do lobbying in Congress.

We'd have certain bills that we were fighting for to break up the Wall Street banks before the bubble exploded. And that was a big thing. So it was a big learning experience where it wasn't just intellectual. I was getting to actually speak with senators, speak with congressmen, speak with the population. We'd often do table organizing by universities and we'd have think tankers coming through. We'd do it in Ottawa too. And so it was like that living kind of like battling with people that you don't know about ideas that are very complicated but are very important to talk about. It was a really good education for me.

Everyone has asked me what's going on in Canada? And I didn't have much of an answer for them. I didn't know because, I mean, I kind of came into my political identity straight from 9-11 was an inside job? What? Like, that was kind of my idea. That was before that I didn't really follow politics that much. I just took kind of the superficial level take on things that were being given in the newspaper,

in the media, whatever, and just I didn't think more deeply than what I was being told by official narratives until in around 2004 so a case was presented to me that actually engaged my reasoning process adequately that demonstrated that the official narrative of why those Twin Towers and a third building fell on that day where I was it was bunk you know and on that day I was just to get a sense of how how serious I was as a thinker I was in I first year college getting stone when we heard that planes were flying into towers. I remember just watching out of my friend's apartment getting high, bewildered by what's going on.

But that was, we didn't have any ability to think more deeply than, oh yeah, terrorists hate freedom. But so as I got more and more into it, I had a construct building up of the international dynamics of banker takeovers of America of the world, of the assassinations of major political leaders, the orchestration of major wars that I was taking for granted that were actually not explainable by the textbooks.

You have to look at who was initiating the assassination, who was funding the terrorist cell that killed the Archduke Ferdinand, which is provable. Books have been written, though they're not taught and they're not incorporated into the curriculum that demonstrate British intelligence behind the manipulation of many assassinations that were treated, that were strategic. And I was able to sort of get my mind increasingly around

how the bankers were funding, fascism, how the murder of Kennedy, his brother, were being orchestrated by these intelligence operations that were tied into an aspect of the mafia, an aspect of the banks, an aspect of this supernatural thing. So I was building a picture quite well, but I still didn't know about Canada. It was still like an abstract thing for me. So I found myself embarrassed enough after enough people were asking me, what's going on with Canada? Why are you a monarchy? Like what is, I don't, I didn't know the story. And so I've, around 2000, 2008, I started taking it more seriously that I need to figure this part of the picture

out since I live here. I was born here. It certainly shapes different aspects of my being, clearly. And so my entire journey towards piecing together the construct that is called a sovereign nation called Canada as a monarchy of the North. And what are the actual control mechanisms that you and I have talked about? I know that freaked out some of your audience members that deal with something that's not really located in Canada, but much further removed from the continent in London, that still exerts massive influence beyond what most people would realize. That became more and more of a solid picture. And so I started thinking back a little bit more about what those experiences meant to me when I was 11, 12 years old and the referendum was happening and all of

these debates about whether Quebec should secede or not. Was it valid? Was it not? And I would say I had more of an appreciation for nuance all of a sudden because I could say that there was a valid reason for Quebec to secede at times. At the time of 1994-95, I think that a lot of those valid reasons were forgotten. So if I go back to the 60s when the independence movement was really coming online in Quebec,

there was much more spiritual, moral vitality where people like Charles de Gaul were being invited in as part of a broader vision by like-minded thinkers like the premier Daniel Johnson senior who was the premier of Quebec from 66 to 69 he was also the father of many of the hydroelectric dam projects there was like he had a very strong moral sense of his Christian faith tied to the good works that you do for the future the the economic development that you do the type of battles that you necessarily have to confront with very powerful entities within power corporation that's a you know the demuree entities the Rockefeller machinery that had a big

tentacle inside of Canada he understood that and there were other people who he was collaborating with like w a c bennett in british columbia that i began to piece together their story of how they were able to work together as provinces in order to help each other develop the physical economic foundations of industry of having mining having forestry having rail having pipelines all of these things were not done by ottawa giving it to us it was a fight that they had to fight. And it was done also in tandem with John F. Kennedy coming in at a certain point, giving his support to W.A.C. Bennett, which without that support of a strong U.S. Republican leader down south, he wouldn't have been able to carry out that fight with Ottawa by himself. He needed that kind

of protection, in a sense, to be able to have the space needed to nationalize BC Power Corps. That was a private entity that had monopolized control of the electricity grids of B.C. and they were not allowing for, they were keeping the prices artificially high, stifling any possibility for investments into the sorts of things that he did later on after he nationalized creating BC Hydro, which was to, you know, facilitate the growth of the Peace River dam projects,

the Willamette reservoir systems, all of the rails that he wanted to connect into Alaska. He had to do with a fight. And the Columbia River Treaty dams of the 7th, out that also created a massive boon of cheap, abundant energy over time that allowed for industrial. But then it created so much free energy that he could then provide very good loans to Quebec. That also was in a similar problem. Tons of potential, tons of running water, but not any support from Ottawa. And so they were able to work together and build together. And so at that time,

you had an international, you had de Gaul coming in, a Republican leader in France as well with the whole strategy to break free of this kind of Malthusian, de Gaul. population crowd that was coming in with Mori Strong, that was coming with Purely at Trudeau in Ottawa, that was coming with the Bilderberg group as well, who were being positioned into these places in order to impose a new ideology of consumerism,

shutting down the physical economy. That was the fight of the 60s, that people don't, I mean, I began to develop a better appreciation. And then from that standpoint, the independence fight that he brought online in 66 was independence if necessary, but not necessarily independence. So he, from running the

Union National Government, he was like, okay, look, there does seem to be a lot of young people who want to have a future that are pissed off that they're being stifled in their development, very much like how the Albertans today are feeling the same frustration. And they want to separate. He's like, he'd rather not. He's like, I'd rather be able to have a Defenbaker who, he was Defenbaker in the 50s. He was Defenbaker's lieutenant in Quebec was John, uh, Daniel Johnson, Sr. So you had this, he's like, I would like a guy like that who favors, who's not going to be like throwing sand in the gears.

of good ideas. But I don't have that. I have, I have, I have what I have. I have Pierre Liet Trudeau, right, who also came out of Quebec as well, who was one of his major nemeses in the 50s because Pierre Lerudet Trudeau was organizing this whole nihilistic, existential, technocratic revolution

to break away from Christianity, which is what the Union National Government, they were part of the Christian sort of political branch of Christianity at the time in North America, the Catholic Church. And so they had a big, they came to Rose, in a massive way. And so Daniel Johnson, he's like, okay, if you don't withhold, if you don't try to sabotage, we will stay with you.

But if you don't, then, yeah, necessarily independence. That'll be my policy. And Charles de Gaulle, when he came to Montreal saying, Vive de Quebec, live de Quebec, that was the strategy that was a broader part of the thing. And that was also part of what... And Charles DeGal was the what of France. Oh, President. Yeah.

Yeah. Really strong guy. He's the guy who kicked out NATO. I mean, in fairness, I was saying to Ben Trudeau was touring us from Montreal. He's telling us that story. He was turning you through Montreal?

Yeah, he was in town for like a day and a half. What, recently? Like, I mean, yesterday. Dude. Is he still here? I mean, we could certainly find out. I got to call Ben Shrio.

I had no idea. All right. Anyways, he's telling me the story, and I'm like, can you imagine? I don't I mean you would know history once again you and Ben would be fun to man I should have thought that through no I'm sure he's I'm sure he's hmm regardless he um he was saying that story and I'm like it's almost like if Donald Trump flew to Alberta right now and said not Viva Alberta obviously but like free Alberta how insane that would be if the media you know in today's world would jump up, like, I don't know, like, could they even fathom that? But the president of France coming over to, to Quebec and saying that is quite the moment. Yeah, it's sped things up.

I mean, right now all Donald Trump would have to do is tweet that, and it would be have the same effect. Yeah. Or maybe, maybe even worse. You're, I agree with you, and it did have that effect at the time. And it, it did accelerate things that were, it broke the, it broke all the rules of the game very effectively. And the plan was for DeGal originally to go. It was like the royal path or something was the name given basically where he was doing all of his stops, wearing his World War II uniform by design.

He didn't have to wear the World War II uniform, but he recognized that the fight of the 60s was the exact same fight against the exact same agencies that were never brought to justice that created Nazism that he fought against. So he wore his World War II garb, right, and gave very moving speeches at every step of the way. And the plan was to go to Ottawa. But then as soon as he gave that speech, Pierre Liet Trudeau just canceled the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, planned meeting, and he had to basically fly back to France, and that was probably

part of the design, because he knew that there was nothing there to negotiate with in good faith. It was non-negoti it's like Zelensky. Like, there was nothing to, to to actually talk to as a sovereign person because he knew what, what Pierolyte Trude represented, which was an ideologically religious-like commitment to depopulation, which he called the, uh, the prophets of doom, right? That it's all the future is only doom and all we can do is adapt to scarcity. live with less, right? Small is beautiful. And that was like this very cynical idea for the new economy that they wanted to bring online. And they did bring online over the dead body of Daniel Johnson, who died a very strange death right before he could go to France at the unveiling of the Manichuagin 5 Dam, the biggest hydroelectric dam that he spent 20 years planning form building. And at the inaugural ceremony, he was supposed to wake up that morning and he didn't. No autopsy. So the mind will wonder, right? But all I'll have to say, that approach to independence for me is the healthy thing that I need, that was lost.

So by the time that, like, so Johnson had two enemies who ironically were allies together working to decristianize Quebec. I already mentioned one of them, which was Pierre Liet Trudeau. I didn't mention the other one, which was Renea Lebec. And Rene Lebeck and Pierre Litt Trudeau were working together on Cite Libre, which was a major influential propaganda magazine that was organizing all of the these nihilistic technocrats to rally around a strategy to basically overthrow the regime and bring in a new type of governing structure, which did happen in the early 60s. That was later replicated in the early 70s on the federal level, or 69 to 73. But so they were friends.

Daniel, Reni Leveck and Pierlet Trudeau, even though they played these opposite polar dualities on this kabuki theater stage of politics in the 70s and the 80s and onward, throughout the 50s and early 60s, they were complete allies. Peerliot Trudeau was the editor-in-chief of that very magazine that was employing Rainey Leveck. They were working together.

And that was, so when he became, when Daniel Johnson was dead, the guy who then was brought in to capture all of that fervor of youthful desires for development, you know, and to redirect it to something more containable,

that was Raina Levec. And he increasingly became somebody who was, as you sort of see in hindsight more clearly where the discussion about what was independence all about it became more rooted in language English versus French

it became less tied to what are we building for the future what are the moral ideas that we're fighting for that became it became diffused increasingly and by the 90s 94-95 it's much worse today the animus between the English and the French was just brought to an increasing fever pitch

where people couldn't even think about ideas of empire, of the takeover of our governments by the exact same supernational behemoth entities that had infiltrated everybody, they couldn't think in those terms anymore. We lost that power. And so it was much more emotional and much more vapid. There was no idea of building a future that was going to, like was there an idea of a national bank of Quebec?

Because there was under the 60s. People were actually, they had like a big informed discussion, a debate in the 60s around, if we're going to be a real country, we need to have a real national bank that we control for the good of the people and the benefit of the of the nation as a whole.

That was, by the 90s, that was gone. You weren't allowed to have a conversation anymore. So, you know, for me, that's how I look at Alberta. You know, it's too bad Ben wasn't sitting here because I feel like Ben has insight on that too. And so, sorry, Ben, if you're listening. I didn't piece this together. And at the time when T reached out,

I was like, what are you doing in Montreal? all, you know, like, I mean, how, how does that? So we got quite the tour of Montreal yesterday by Ben Trudeau driving us around, you know, and I don't think the kids will fully understand what they just got to witness and happen. You know, when, when you sit back and you, your story of Lavec, Trudeau, polar opposites, controlling two sides of a similar narrative working together, you know, probably pretty hard to stare at the world and not, see that play out all over the place. And I don't know if I'm just, am I naive?

I'm like, I just, I have more hope in the world than that. I don't know if that's me being naive, Matt or not, because I, like, you know, like we were talking before we, we got going about Turning Point USA and different things like that and how key individuals have inserted themselves. Like, I don't want to be associated with those individuals. I just, I don't believe the world operates that way. I think individuals operate that way. Certain individuals see that if I just align myself over here

and we can steer things in certain ways, but like, I don't know, is the world doomed? No, I don't think so. I think there are brighter days ahead. I believe that. Whether or not that's true in the next couple of years, well, that's a different story. I've seen a lot of beauty.

Like, my brother and I were talking. So break we have a couple issues vehicle issues along the road right and Zane if you're listening You've been excellent and then you know as we're driving we have a couple issues and then It's it's it's the biker's church Melissa McKee and her husband Robb and they're lending the hand and I I've seen him a brother one night. He's driving I'm driving home and Melissa and Rob's truck He's like where are you at? I'm like I'm driving like you wouldn't believe what I'm driving right now I'm driving their truck and he's like I'm like if he's like if he's like if he's like if he's like if he's like I'm It's just wild how kind people are.

Because I'm told the world isn't kind. And yet everything I see is just kindness. He's like, oh, yeah. I remember traveling, and he's like, gave me faith in humanity again. So when you look at what the evil side of the world is trying to do and trying to pit us all against each other and make it seem like they're behind every door

and they can hear everything we're saying and doing, and they have influence over every last part of the world, when I get out on the road, I see quite the opposite. I'm not saying that there is. is an evil people out there and I'm certainly not saying they're not trying to control us all. Yeah. And I'm certainly not saying they're not trying to influence us all.

Certainly they are. But like, team humanity is, is like wonderful. And I run into it right now with my wife and kids everywhere. I'm like, yeah. If I could just showcase this,

it doesn't mean that we aren't all, you know, like shallow, sad human beings from day to day. Listen, I have my moments, folks, where I suck,

you know? I get frustrated with little things and I can't see the bigger picture. I have us all the time, you know. But I don't even know if I'm making sense half the time. It's just where I see from where I sit most days, so I'm like, I see the beauty the world has to offer. And I think they don't want us to see that. And so then they try and control the different parts of it.

You know, was Turning Point USA a big controlled message? it's possible. I'm sure you have your thoughts on it. Didn't know who Charlie Kirk was until, you know, I mean, bits and pieces. Then he gets shot. And then I see the messaging come out and how he talked and everything else. I'm like, man, where do you go with that? And I'm sure you have your thoughts.

You can fire away. Yeah, well, I think that kind of touches on what you were, what we were chatting about ever so briefly at the very beginning of the show today, which is just going outside of our, mini environment and seeing the outside world viscerally on a firsthand basis because I think that one of the things I've noticed in my studies of history and how people who are better or should have been better fell for traps that they were, they should have known better than to fall for certain traps of thinking of, of policy is that they had one of two problems or some

combination of the two, which is either they were too intellectual or two in their head or abstracting. And so they didn't actually, they thought of the world from the standpoint of purely the intellect and didn't really take the time to get to talk to people, right? So that's a problem. And from that standpoint, we could see that amongst, especially now that people are more open to looking at the forbidden world of conspiracy theories and conspiracy analysis,

it's like, okay, well, that's the only way to properly, competently look at the world is through that vantage point that we were told we're not supposed to do. if we don't want to be treated like crazy people. And it's like, no, that's actually the only way to do it. But then it's easy to also, when you do that, and to get to become kind of shackled to the ideas of how much control this evil. You become black-pilled. You become very black-pilled.

And that's a hard little balance. Yeah. Of where you're red-pilled, right? You're like, I got to look at it from this vantage point because COVID was real. Yeah. And there was a ton they did not tell us or misconstrued or, you know, like, I mean, I just, the Helen, Helen gurus, I don't, sorry, Helen, I keep butchering your last name. My apologies. But like a detective investigating it and then penalizing. It's like that is so real. It's not even funny. That doesn't mean every rabbit hole you go down. And that's a hard thing. It's hard. It's a hard thing to keep your hope and humanity when you stumble into the world of, you know, like information by fire hose. And you start going down every rabbit hole and you can lose your mooring to the world. Yeah, absolutely.

Or to humanity. Yeah, the North Star, the faith and ultimately a good, a good God, a creator that made the universe in us good and just and truthful. Where did you come on? Because you have written books. Yeah. Lots of books. You've done documentaries. You've done, I don't know how many episodes of talking to people you're up to.

but certainly if you Google Matt Aaron you're going to find just interview after interview, right? And they're not 10 minutes here and two minutes over there. So like when you look at the world and you're, you've stared into the occult and how evil humanity can be, where do you get to? Okay. That's a great question.

I want and I will be answering it, but in my usual way, right? So And people who are Maybe frustrated with how I respond sometimes Just take a step back Review think about what I What I said and usually you'll find that there's a reason why I make detours

But I will I promise to come back to the main point Unless I forget in which case I'm sorry And you could bring me back online But I just mentioned so To like close the loop on the first kind of question that you would observe I like how Matt keeps trying to close loop and I keep trying to open up new loops? Well, it's a good, it's a good healthy Ted shit, right, of closing and opening and closing.

Yeah, it's, well, it's an ironic interplay of which I think you have to have if you're going to have a conversation that's not just going to be boring or one-sided, right? But the intellect side is one way to go black pill. The other way to fall into traps and to become stupid is to be overly anti-intellectual and overly plebeian. So, you know, like a lot of people in the Hobbit kind of cultural matrix. Are you in The Hobbit? Are you talking the Shire? Oh, yeah, I don't mean the, yeah, I mean the Shire. You mean the Shire.

Like, there's nothing outside. It's just a happy world, not a big deal. The type of thing that Bilbo and Frodo were pissed off about. Yeah. I'm actually reading Lord of the Rings the first book right now on the trip. Right on. Yeah. That's a great one.

With the kids. No, by myself. Cool. I feel like there may be just a touch Youngford. 10's my oldest And the youngest Six Hobbit

No no not the Hobbit Lord of the Rings No but I'm saying they can The six points Okay sorry I'm gonna open up a whole bunch of new loops It's your own fault You're bringing it up here Well look okay so yeah

But in the Shire Yes in the Shire they look at adventure They look at out Anything outside is like not becoming It's a stare down on that Yeah exactly Whereas in today's society To talk about anything

conspiracy or certainly in COVID was like, oh, they look down on you for looking at it in a different way. Yeah. Sorry. So I think that people are probably really annoyed with me because I keep interrupting. No, but that's generally it, though. That, that for me represents more than just a book. In person.

Yeah. Than on a screen. I've waited way too many interviews to sit across from Matt and be like, I'm just going to throw a wrench after wrench into it. That's good. You earned it, man. Yeah. No, because it's more than simply what is what is contained within Tolkien's characters.

It does represent an archetypal problem that's been plaguing humanity forever, which is a tendency for people to not want to develop an intellectual identity and to just be like, you know, very intuitive feeling-based people who just, you know, are the salt of the earth, right? Which has a certain virtue to it because it's like, that's a real person. They're not, they're not going to be engaged. engaging in sophisticated plays on words or false logic. Like they're, they're gonna,

you're gonna have a tendency. They're simple people that love to gossip, which means they talk about their neighbors. Yeah. It's like, it's so funny and so right there, and you're like,

oh, like, God. Yeah. Right? Yeah. It's almost, it's more inclined to tribalism.

It is sad. And it's, it does allow for a greater tendency to words tribalism and thinking of the other who doesn't have your personal views in a very bad light. And whether that means your neighbor's house or the other family or whatever that you have

a beef with or the other town, the neighboring town or whatever, the tribalism thing always causes us to give up the potential to use our minds the way God made our minds to be used like to learn how to use them and use it better and better every day. We give that up in favor of people who think like me. And that could be on a small scale. You get it in cults. That's the way that cults work. That's the way that anything.

that is that weaponizes us, we give up our individual identity for the sake of what, of some tribal identity or the language thing. Like I'm, I'm going to identify myself in Quebec as an English speaker and all my passion for politics

is going to be geared by whatever suppression of the English language I have encountered. And that's the way the, the CBC radio and all of the CTV news and everything when they talk about issues for the English speaking audience,

it's always to inflame. a sense of you're being abused because your language rights are not being defended. And the French, if you listen to French radio or French news, it's the same thing. The Anglophones, they want to take your language, they're trying to revive, like those who are controlling the levers of our emotions are creating these very controlled narratives to bring out the most tribal lame aspect of ourselves, to make ourselves feel like we're the oppressed, we have to get revenge or defend whatever minutia they want us to identify with, right? I'm a woman, or I'm this particular aspect of being a human.

That's what I'm going to be organized around. And whether it's Antifa, you know, or BLM activists, they're conditioned in that way, where all of the stories of oppression that the African people had suffered from, especially those brought to North America, are the things that they're supposed to live through and re-identify with building a sense of animus and hostility. that then makes them increasingly more weaponizable and they think that they're going to the protest or they think that they're throwing that Molotov cocktail

out of their own volition and maybe some of them know that they're getting paid and they're not really, they're Ejean-up provocateurs. But a lot of them actually do think it's coming from themselves and it's not. Their feelings are put there, they're awoken by manipulators. So when you actually go and meet other people, you get out of your, whether you're coming at it

from the standpoint of somebody without much of an emotional, an intellectual foundation or somebody without much of an emotional, emotional foundation and just intellect. Either way, when you get out of your comfort zone and you go and talk to people from the other tribe, from the other part of the world, the other culture, you start seeing them as humans first, which helps you, it's the best way to become free of your own prejudices that are tied to your ignorance of never having spoken to that other kind of person or that person who thinks differently or whatever. And then you're like, oh, okay, I can actually, I don't hate you as much as I thought I was going to. I don't see you as the other thing that I, that if I didn't get to know you, I might have been more. quick to generalize an entire people that doing so might have, against my own will, made me support

doing what so many Americans did after 9-11, which is champion buying freedom fries because the French didn't want to support the bombing of Iraq that seemed to have nothing to do with 9-11. And they were all propagatedized using a very similar kind of prejudice. But you're watching the same thing play out with elbows up in Canada. Yeah. Right?

Totally. How easily were manipulated by our emotions. Yeah. Like, I mean, it's one of the conundrums of human beings and why some people can remove themselves from emotions

and see, I'm not saying I'm great at this, right? But see some of the things for what they are. And other times you're like, you're caught right up in it. It's very, it's a conundrum. It definitely is.

You know, like, I'm chuckling because I'm like I don't know if you gave me an answer on Alberta Independence. You got me off on the Shire, right? I did on the Alberta Independence implicitly. Everything I said about Quebec applies to how I would evaluate.

It's funny when I look at the world and how they're, I might also just sit back and go, Sean, if you just sit back, turn your mic off, you might give Matt an answer. A full answer, a full loop close. But it's funny, you say things. I'm like, I got to,

I want to, well, what do you mean by that, right? Anyways, I'm chastising myself right now. It's good, man. It's part of conversation. I'm like, so with Alberta independence, I'm going to go all the way back. Yeah. Do you go, they should leave? Or are you like, they shouldn't leave?

Or do you have a... It's nuanced, right? Like, for me, it's, it's, it's, it's, whatever. I give these frustrating answers because I'm like, yes and no. It's, should Quebec have left was, you know, that's why I approached it the way I did with the Quebec independence thing. How to, do I support independence of Quebec?

Absolutely. No, I take the Daniel Johnson thing, like independence if necessary, but not necessarily independence. So in the sense that, um, if you have a viable independence movement

that actually understands what the principles are of building a nation and what the, what has been withheld from them and how to go about it, then, um, yes. And if you don't and if you've got people who are approaching it from a standpoint of, I just want to be left alone,

and don't have an idea of what are the dynamics actually at play right now. It would be a mess. I do, I think, independence in general, usually for most nations, I'm against breaking up the nation state idea in general, because I know that the idea of divide-to-conquer is the strategy used by the supernational ancient oligarchy for millennia. But is Canada a real nation? my research demonstrates to me that no it's not it's a synthetic construct of a deep state acting like a country but in saying that

yeah then the better play would be to break it off and create a real nation yeah because if you did you could be insanely you could you could be an insanely great nation yeah if done correctly but i don't know if that's possible. I don't know either. It's still an exploratory thing for me. I've gone there now probably about nine times to Calgary, mostly, to speak at various events of which your cornerstones have been played a big part in. And, you know, I've gotten a chance to sort of feel out a little bit of the leadership, the idea content that's circulating amongst the freedom crowd. I'm still uncertain whether the quality of mental fortitude and understanding is adequate to carry out the kind of battle that is needed if we're going to be serious

about the sort of thing. I don't know. I still need more demonstrations. You're right, though. If you actually have, like, who was it? It was John Adams made the point about what distinguishes the, what makes the American Republic idea viable after the new nation was founded, you know? And Ben Franklin tried very hard for many years to make the British Empire become a normal kind of country.

He tried for Seoul. He didn't want to go for independence originally. He spent many, many years doing everything he could to bring about the best of England. And at a certain point, when he realized that there's ultimately no honest players that have any influence, at least in politics that I can work with, He's like, well, now we have to do it the hard way. And it turned out to maybe be the easy way, I don't know, but it was very difficult. It was against all odds. And finally, when the nation was established, it was still a fight over like, okay, you've won a battle.

Now you've declared victory over the British in war, but then you still don't have a functional economy, right? That's still been mostly sabotaged. Your economy's in shambles. It's hyperinflationary. You don't have a credit system that's viable. So you don't have, like nobody wants to invest in America. the continental notes were, again, they were hyperinflationary, total chaos, 13 different other currencies were floating around in circulation with each with different

kinds of rules and exchange rates and everything. There was no collaboration amongst the new states of the confederation. None. So everybody had, it was like 13 states divided unto themselves, just waiting to be broken a little bit more and reabsorbed back into the British Empire. And it took another number of years. to get a constitution that actually allowed for the type of political powers that would be requisite to end the hyperinflation to create stability in the economy to transform the debts that were unpaid

into a new type of productive credit tied to internal improvements to basically get the credit of the nation back. And so John Adams made the point that this kind of country only works for a moral and Christian people. And without that, you don't really have a republic because it requires. requires a certain moral identity animating each individual within a society, even though they might, they may not agree on things to have that type of honest debate that you have to have requires a moral standard inside of the hearts of each person. And if you don't have that,

or if you remove it. Or if you chip it away and undermine it. Yeah, I don't know if it's artificially removed or just take the belief system and bastardize it. Yeah. Then then you've chipped away what is fundamental in order for it to function relatively properly. Yeah, that's a great point. And the Jesuits were very good at doing that in both in the United States as well as in Quebec. There's different ways. At the time, it wasn't so obvious in some ways because everybody kind of agreed in the 18th, 19th century that they're Christian people, by and large. By and large. But there's all sorts of techniques that have been developed. for centuries since really the early days of Christianity, these techniques were already being

deployed. Just read St. Augustine in his city of God. He's already dealing with the schismatics and the different efforts to break up the church on different points of detail. That at the early stage, this is like the late 4th century. And he's going through the Donatists and the Pelagians and the Maticians who are all trying to lay claim and then the Gnostics and the various like infinitely divisible Gnostic sects, each one trying to lay claim to the title of we are the representatives of Christianity. And in some cases, like the didatus that seemed like it was not so big of a deal,

maybe on the surface, but actually had ramifications where the Donatus were saying, like, no, it's possible to have no sin. It's possible to not need to have humility because you could be perfect. And only people who are perfect should be allowed to be leaders in the church.

And people who are not perfect shouldn't be allowed in. Okay, well, who's perfect? Like, that creates a bit of God complex. That could definitely be destructive if you allow that sort of thing in. Other people like the Pelagian said, oh, no, we can, we're all imperfect unless we use pure will devoid of grace.

We don't need to believe that God is a graceful God that loves us. We just need to believe in the literal word, but from the standpoint that God gave us will and that the will to be perfect is adequate for us to achieve perfection and thus, you know, ultimately break free of humility or the need for that or, you know, which again is it brings you straight into the realm of pride, which devil's head. work right there. And so Augustine is like launching these battles. And these were influential movements. These are not like little academic exercises. They were taken over the entire system. And there was again so many different sects, the Manichians, which are still actually, I would say

probably more powerful today under different forms than people realize, which was a syncretic cult that fused together kind of Gnostic Christianity with Zoroastrianism and a whole of other like a stew of a variety of things that presumed ultimately that there is an evil god and a good god but the good god is ultimately kind of an impotent god and that the world is ultimately run by the evil god um and that the those who achieve the manachian nosis have transcended good and evil right and they thus are beyond they could do whatever right vice they want to do they can go into whatever orch they want to go into because they have achieved their enlightenment and the Gnostics had kind of a similar dual teaching construct of an esoteric

and an exoteric teaching structure, one for the uninitiated, one for the initiated alike. But again, that was breaking up the church and splintering it a thousand, five hundred years ago. So these things don't just happen naturally. They happen because there are high priesthoods that maintain a continuous tradition that does go back to the high priesthoods of Marduk that were managing the Babylonian Empire that were there were the godmakers, the guys who created the sacred myths as part of the tools of political controls. You can't just have political control. You have to have the control over the beliefs, the sacred stories. And the Jesuits more recently became some of the more

sophisticated expressions of those techniques that would be very good at infiltrating anything that you wanted to infiltrate, take on the characteristics, and then break it up slowly from within. And the Jesuits had a big role to play in Quebec, right? That was because they had a big control over France and when France created new France the Jesuits were given total controls over all training of kids over the I mean the religion you know and and so the battle over some Jesuits were actually they broke out of their their mental reservation at different times that's the one thing about the Bible sometimes people who actually are trained to be in a certain sect just simply whether there's how many different sects of Christianity different flavors you know and a baptist Baptist and

and, you know, Amish and different varieties of Catholicism, Protestant Orthodox, like there's so many, there's Coptic Christianity, there's, there's Marianite Christians in Lebanon, there's so many different flavors. If you're not thinking for yourself, you could be tribal and be induced to just go to war

with another group like we did in the 30 years war in Europe that killed like 8 million civilians in Europe, Christian killing Christian. I was going to say, you know, like, today it would be Islam, Muslims. And the thing I've pondered is if you didn't have Muslims, you would eventually get to Christian on Christian, and you've already walked me through it because I'm like, you know,

well, I guess I go back to one of the questions I was asking, you know, all the conversations you've had, all the research into the cult, all the things you've done, where did you land? Because I was telling you my story before we began. and certainly we could get back into parts of it, but I'm like, I wasn't a Christian when I, I grew up in a Christian household.

Yeah. I wouldn't have, I probably would have said I was a Christian. But like, certainly because of the podcast, because of the effort of going into different conversations and following some things and peace and things together, I'm a Christian. I believe in Jesus Christ.

Fall and stop. There's very few things I can become so concrete on, you know? That one I'm concrete on. I'm curious in all, your conversations where you land where you've gotten to. I guess on my journey, I tend to be like kind of philosophical and moral about it. Like by moral, I don't mean like, I'm not trying to say like I'm moral. I'm just saying like I try to use the idea of goodness and...

So do you believe there's God? Yeah. Oh, I don't, I believe and I know that there's God, the creator, because otherwise we wouldn't be here and the universe wouldn't exist. Okay. it would make no sense. Unless it's... You could say there's no...

There was nothing that created everything or that, like, that's what they believe in science. Today, they actually call that science that everything came out of a big bang and that the big bang, like what caused the big bang 13.7 billion years ago, which is what they say. It's very specific.

They know the exact time that it happened. It's like, what caused that? It's like, well, random particle slamming together in an infinitely dense singularity that just exploded, you know, in randomness, unleashing... If you keep you...

Keep questioning the Big Bang and you go back for enough. Eventually they get to a point where they have no bloody clue. Yeah. And it's pure make-believe. At that point, it's like, well, okay, well, what caused those two things to collide in together into an infinite point mass that all energy just slammed together and started like chaotically just unfolding in randomness? They have to start creating other dimensions.

They're like, well, maybe there were other dimensions that these particles bounce in and out of it. And they just happen to get lucky at that one moment and across the same dimension, slammed into each other. And you're in make-believe land, right? It's not science anymore. So that's garbage. And then you're like, okay, well, let's say that everything did happen through chaos.

Well, us having this conversation here, that was all the random rolling of the dice that resulted in every single random mutation and random behavior of electrons and atoms and photons that had no purpose except randomness that just luckily just kind of formed together to create this entire structure of beauty and order and symmetry and conscious thought expressing itself through brains and words and, you know, sound waves that are being received and, you know, recognized as qualities. Like, come on. So anyway, yeah. Like, no. And so I know that that's a politically enforced

piece of garbage calling itself science. That's been, that's part of why I think people have been so easily duped into thinking that they're getting smarter because we're producing so many PhDs. But yet our society is, we went for COVID, for Christ's sakes, right? The most anti-scientist. We're shutting down our economy, our food production to stop The one that's been... Carbon dioxide. People have been laughing at me. I don't know if...

I don't think I have OCD, but it's funny when I go through a province. I stare at a problem. I don't get it. It's trees. And now I'm into Quebec, but all my conversations around Ontario is like, out of Trudeau and the liberals convince Canadians who are majority in Ontario and Quebec that we were going to plant a billion trees, where everywhere I drive in those two, these two provinces,

I'm like, it's beautiful. There's trees everywhere. It's just... There's such... gorgeous provinces. I don't even know where you'd have to plow out trees to put new trees in. It doesn't make any sense. So when you say we went for COVID, it's like we went for a billion trees.

And I can give a break to the Westerners because it's like, well, we need trees for the, you know, the tree belt program. Like the, you know, like making sure, you know, in the plains or in the flat, the flats of all the, the agriculture land. It's like, we didn't have that many trees. I can kind of get around. We need more trees. But, like, everywhere I go, I'm like, what the heck is going on here? We're a bunch of morons. It's crazy because then you can actually...

I didn't believe this when I first heard this, but that actual public-private programs exist co-sponsored by Bill Gates. And I think the state of California already in play, they're doing this, of cutting down trees that already exist in order to preventatively stop the cumulative life CO2 emissions of the trees. which over the course of their computer models

will result in so many leaves, so many volumes of carbon dioxide caused by rotting leaves. Eventually they're going to die. And so they look at these trees like mathematical carbon dioxide volumes that they can preventatively stop now by cutting them down

and burying them in vaults underground, very expensive cement vaults where they will stay that will keep their decay rate slow and their carbon... Where is this? I think this is California. Of course it's California. It's a Bill Gates co-sponsored initiative.

It's like we're so smart that we believe we have control of the entire universe and that by us doing these silly ideas we're going to stave off the end of the universe as we know it. And yet we're so dumb that we think it all happened by random chance, you know, and then we put zero thought into it if there is God or isn't God. And when you start looking, I mean, I'm oversimplifying once again something that is very complex and has taken a lot of time to get to. But it's just funny, the things that we think we're so smart in, yet we're so dumb.

And the places, you know, that I used to think we're really dumb, does God exist? Why would we even talk about something so silly? Now I'm like, I'm so drawn to it. and I feel like society as a whole is drawn to it. And, you know, like, when I get into talking to you, I'm like, well, could it be that they're trying to steer us there? It's well, it's possible.

But then I go like, but the more I stare at the stupidity, I'm like, I don't know. Like, if we all realize God exists, there is a huge opportunity to steer society back towards the moral sense that created the fabric of, if you want to pick on the United States, the United States because they looked at their British Empire and went, what the heck are we doing? We're trying all these different things. And you go, well, the only way to get to where we need to go,

we can't recreate the British Empire. So then we create the United States of America. And you fast forward and you get to where we're at. It's like, well, we're doing the same bloody thing all over again. We've forgotten that there is a creator. And we need to find a way to put that back into play so that we can get back to something that resembles. you know, humanity instead of this world that is like, you know what?

You want to have tits and and maybe think you can have a baby as a man? Yeah, we can do that. It's like, what are we talking about? We are so far removed. Not fit to survive. No, man. Yeah. Well, so this is where I was saying like Plato, I know you mentioned that you're

listened to my Danny Jones interview and I made a big point in that interview. I had no idea you'd even been on Danny Jones, right? Okay. So I was driving yesterday, I think it was. I'm like, I should listen to a little bit of what Matt's been doing. So I Google, the first thing that comes up, I'd love to say it's my podcast. I was in there, but I wasn't the number one. Number one is Danny Jones.

I'm like, what the heck did that happen? And I'd stumbled into Danny Jones a couple years ago, I think. He'd had a couple of big interviews. And so I was like, oh, wow. So I started listening to it. And you guys were talking at a like a high end. I was like, what are these two morons? not like forgive me i i just sometimes i'm like we can over we can overdo simple things yeah you know

is god real it's like well i want to it's like yes yes he is and that's okay yeah well i think or no he isn't yeah i think knowledge comes in like degrees right like you can i don't mean to say you're a moron no i know i know i know what you meant um but yeah you you can always say things it's like what they're saying, it's a big thing now in communication and AI is like you can get AI to communicate a complex idea to a 5-year-old, to a 12-year-old, 20-year-old.

And that's a very useful tool that everybody should be able to, if you truly know something, you should be able to simplify it in such way. To a 5-year-old level, yes. Now the problem is, I think with the soft tree and where the making the false appear true this becomes a weapon

is where you can give people a certain power by learning how arts of rhetoric allow you to generalize certain things that are complex without knowledge. So without understanding, because to be able to general, you have to earn the right to generalize.

You have to really know the complexity of a thing before you can find a way to responsibly take the essential element of it out and communicate it to, you know, a five-year-old kid or whatever that you need to do or just anybody that you're talking to as a first degree approximation.

A simpleton like me. Anything. Including simpletons like yourself. Sure. but a lot of people will and that's a problem with the PhD system today is that they they there's this um

this this radical explosion in overgeneralizing things that they don't need to understand they there there's this idea that okay we all know that the universe is random we know that that's a fundamental attribute of every atom is its unknowability and a causality that's like become standard model that's that standard model physics. But at the same time, so you're generalizing something you don't know because that comes to so many implicit crazy assumptions that makes you a crazy person because then you have to assume that, again, like everything around me might love for my kids. A lot of the scientists who say that, the PhDs and the academics, they still have children that they love, but they then still have

to treat all these things as if it doesn't exist. It's just like a lucky or some chaotic random chance that created these molecules that result in these emotions that are tied to some survival mechanism, but there's nothing to it beyond my desire to procreate my genes, and that's why I care for my kids. It's like you have to live with some really cold-hearted shit that you don't really live by, right? You wake up in the morning starting your day with the assumption that there's a reality outside of you that you're going to like go and make your sandwich and go to work. You have to live with certain, you can't live according to your own theories. And a good theory should be a theory that is in harmony with how you live.

You're right, there shouldn't be a discrepancy that's so absurd. And then on top of it, they have to say, but we do know that the entire universe is organized by the fundamental law of universal entropy, the second law of thermodynamics. So it's all random on the small. Everything's made up of randomness, but it's all, so we can't know anything, causally, but we can know that everything's going to die. Because the law of entropy is governing the entirety of the whole friggin' universe, which is basically the law of diminishing returns applied to the entire universe, that every moment there's less potential for change than there was the moment before and that ultimately we're heading towards a heat death of big you know stasis the

the death norm so that's a big assumption of like absolute truth that you think is knowable that you like build every single model around in climate science economics social theory you name it medical theory flattening the curves it all comes from these assumptions um again generalizing things you don't understand now does that mean that the bible is wrong because what does the Bible say? It's right? Like in the, there's,

there's hard, what I see philosophically, like, so I come at things from having immersed myself in a lot of platonic dialogues and philosophy, is that I look for things, I'm looking for like, where does goodness and truth express itself in various places?

And I know that in the book of Genesis, I think it's chapter 24, 25, it says we should be fruitful and multiply and replenish the earth and subdue it. Right. And to be, I think that that's actually a very, I apologize.

My wife's trying to call me. Oh, yeah. I'm like, just making sure everything's okay. I normally don't pick up my phone and then my wife's calling and I'm like, do it. Okay, no, it's all good. It's a simple little thing. It's not like a kid's hurt or anything.

Sorry, folks. Carry on with your thought, Matt. I just apologize because I'm like, I picked up my phone. I could see Matt trying to explain something like, and now I'm distracted. I wanted to make sure it was nothing serious. No, it wasn't anything serious. No, it wasn't anything serious. No.

But yeah, so there's the idea. I know one thing that purely at Trudeau, the Malthusian takeover that I was talking about with the technocracy in the 60s, one of the things that they really zeroed in on that they want to destroy in Western civilization, there's many things, but one of the things is the concept of

that human beings are made in the image of a living, reasonable God that has love, that gave us a certain mandate to go forth to be fruitful and to multiply, to replenish the earth and subdue it. They hate that idea, because it's the very opposite of the type of the type of human that they want

to program into the acceptable controlled game that they want to run as dungeon masters of this weird Dungeons and Dragons game that they think they're loading over. And part of that idea is, okay, if you're going to be, like, if human beings to be fruitful, and I got these ideas originally by reading some of the writings of LaRouche

that got me to philosophize about this a little bit more seriously many years ago, but to be fruitful and to multiply is the two parameters of any competent economy. Because to multiply means you always have to have more people that should be your focus is to have more people, but to be fruitful, you can't just have more people and live worse, which is possible if you don't, if you're not fruitful. If you're just having more people, but you're not improving new discoveries, new inventions, the application of new discoveries of God's creation. Sure, it would almost be hard to have more people and not have. Well, you can't if you treat your people like cattle or like you look at a lot of the underdeveloped regions of Africa or Calcutta and stuff.

and they have overpopulation because they've not they were sabotaged by the British Empire they were sabotaged by design they're you know for centuries and centuries that so they weren't allowed to have industry or technology they weren't allowed to have those those fundamental things that we need to have to sustain our people or to improve it they're not allowed they were and we've got case study after case study of how these famines how these sabotages were orchestrated by the empires of the West but it's like if you so if you, you always have to go outside the limit, beyond the limits of, there's always limits to growth. Like, every animal species has limits to its population based upon the

bounty of nature. Yeah. Yeah. And so the rabbits are not going to come up with a better way of harvesting carrots. Right. Whereas, you know, they're not going to allocate carrots to the side in case there's a, a drought season. So human beings, we can think about the consequences of our inaction. We can pursue new discoveries that allow for the bounty to increase. Well, I think that's one of the coolest things about human beings is like, you know, in Canada, we say no more pipelines, and then we find ways around that human ingenuity, find ways around stupid self-made problems that we just do on ourselves. Yeah.

Over and over again. Yeah. And those are some of the nefarious actors playing out poor policies, poor ideas, or at least I would think they're poor. Yeah. And they're, they're, it's, once again, it's the, I don't. don't know why I keep coming back to this, but it's like, you know, you got nefarious actors who believe in depopulation and like, we need to live this way. And every time they try and do that,

human ingenuity works its way around. Yeah. Hey, yeah, yeah, okay, but we're going to keep going to go, no, no, no, no, no. We're going to make eat crickets and you're going to own nothing and you're going to do all these things. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. But we're going to go back over here and we're going to find a way around your stupidity. The stupidity has been there for thousands of years, probably longer, and human beings keep finding ways around it. Yeah. Well, that's where the, yeah, there is the important, that's the thing. Like, we live in a, in a real world, the real universe, and the oligarchy has an abstract

universe that they want to impose on to us to get us to adapt to their, like, their formula for control. Sure. And yet, yeah, we will encounter the fact that, yeah, we got to feed our kids. And then we're not going to just sit down and tolerate, letting our kids ultimately starve to death. We're going to find a way. They live in a... I can't speak for them, obviously.

But, like, it's just a dark... Like, if you try and step into the world of, like, an elite where money or power is the ultimate goal in life, it's a pretty dark world. Oh, yeah. And, you know, like, okay, so then you tap into the... or overarch it with the spiritual realm, where you're surrounded by demonic forces. And they have a lot of control, influence on the planet. And so you get money and power,

but you have to give up your soul for it. You go, you have fun with that. Have fun with that, because there's a lot of beauty on the other side. And I don't worry so much about power and control and influence and all those weird, strange ideas. I wish we could get a better class of politician. And maybe we were on the brink of that

because I think there's a lot of up-and-coming young people that are staring at the problems of the world today. Some would call me young and others would call me old, right? And you go, I don't know where this goes. Freedom Convoy was a beautiful thing. It was. And Alberta Independence is full of a lot of wonderful people. We stare at me and you go back and forth

about like the controlling, influences and how they're they're using all these different things and controlling the the the the people and trying to steer us this way and that way and I'm like I don't know they're they're in a different realm than I am because I I enjoy being here and sitting and having the conversation and being around my family and trying to protect my family and I don't know where that leads it's led me on the road right now I guess I don't know I come back to the conversation of of like you believe in God okay you've you've you've researched search a ton. You could quote me some

scripture. I go, are you a believer in Jesus? I hate to put people on the spot, but now I'm just kind of curious because you've had so many conversations. You've traveled the world? It's so charged. Like, yes, I believe in Jesus. I believe that Jesus like the gospels.

Yeah, walk the planet. His gospels represent, I think, the formula for any type of successful human life. And like, I think it's all... I love making people uncoverly. No, it's important conversation. Never talk about politics and religion, right? What the fuck? Well, that's what I used to be. That's what I used to be.

I used to be like, who's getting drafted first overall? I actually, who got drafted first? It doesn't know. So, no, it's good to go to go into those places. So for me, it's like, I'm looking at the principles first and foremost that I know are true. Like, before I do anything, I'm like, what can I know? And following the teachings of the gospel, the sermon on the Mount, all of the principles, the, even the grace of asking God to forgive them for they know not what they do. Like that for me represents the pinnacle of the sublime of what all human beings should aspire to

to be able to have that level of grace even at the point of facing the maximum injustice possible to be able to do that and not feel any any hate and anger because of a deeper understanding of what they're lacking. Like that's the source of like real agopic love like First Corinthians 13 love, which again And I, I, for me, it's like that, that, because I think the audience knows Gothic love as a concept, right, of, of, like, the best idea of, of charity that's beyond just giving, like a real love that asks nothing in return. And so, oh, wow. For me, I, I've spent a lot of years, and I guess this had a lot to do with me going, like I said, from zero to a thousand, uh, in the conspiracy realm. And then very quickly after going into, like, some bad places trying to, like, piece together, okay, well, if everything.

things lie, what is real. So I spent a couple of years trying to figure out how can I figure out how to navigate this new understanding of the darkness of shaping reality. And again, I was getting into a dark place in that sense in my searching. And I mentioned when we were just chatting before the show that, you know, I was even getting into kind of theosophical material alien stuff was kind of becoming a replacement spirituality because we all do have a god-sized hole inside of us. And I believe that that's true for all people. And that's how I was feeling it. that's what I was stumbling into, until I was like coming to a place where I was beginning to find myself propagandized.

And I could sense it that I started to think or come to to the idea that maybe Hitler was the good guy. Maybe Hitler actually had enlightened beings, enlightened angels governing his policies. And that was a lot of what the, and there's a certain degree of, of reality to the fact that Hitler did have a dark religious evil side to the inner sanctum of the Thulele society. And we made a documentary about that. And I recently wrote a book about this as well. But I was starting to think, I was being sold on the idea that that was why there was like a necessary so-called evil that doesn't exist because now I'm wise. And I know that the good and evil thing is just a false mannequin, like dualism that true enlightened people don't fall into those traps.

So I was falling into that. And I was like, I need to stop. I need to hold, like I need to pull back here because I'm off the rails. And I knew that this way of thinking was wrong, but I didn't know why it was wrong. So it took me, I had to sort of like shut that down. a little bit and that was where I gave myself the new exercise of just trying to figure out how to use my intellect like just what can I just know rather than go into the realm of into like being led purely by intuition which is what I was kind of doing which was taking me into some fascist paths

I was like let's just try to map out mentally what can I know using reason and so that became a really important exercise where I was like okay well I can't just know this intellectually I have to get my skin in the game. So at a certain point, I took on a challenge from an organizer back in 2006 to come down to the United States and work with them for a couple of, that was a couple of weeks. And I was mentioning to you organizing politically at schools and Congress. And so that, at first I was like, no, no, the U.S. is a slave state. I've looked, I've looked into the FEMA camps. I've looked into all of this stuff. And I was like, I'm not going into that. And then I, but by taking the challenge and accepting the challenge,

I was like, okay, it's not as bad as I thought. People are actually way cooler than I thought. They're actually cooler than they are in Canada when I started actually talking to Americans and I'm like, yeah, you guys, I could have some fun conversations with you. And I started, it built me up a lot more, but I started doing more and more work with diplomats.

So increasingly in 2007, I helped organize a big conference in Ottawa around the Bering Strait Rail Tunnel. And I wasn't the initiator, it was a learning process, but I got to be taken along to various, meetings at different embassies, I met with the Indian embassy, the Chinese, the different African countries, Latin American countries, all wanted to meet because we're doing this event and we were

trying to invite as many representatives. We had a few meetings with some congressional staff members too, and they sent their people to representations. I think we had maybe six congressmen, two senators who sent their staff and like 30 embassies. And that sort of got me in a place where I had to learn about other cultures more. I was speaking to the ambassador to Guyana and he was teaching me all sorts of things about Guyana's battles against empire about assassinated leaders like Fred Wills, the foreign minister and and then I would speak to the Indians and they were telling me about their own stories and their own their own frustrations with the current incarnation of the city of London's controls over India and Indian intelligence

and they were just confiding in me over the course of these meetings and I realized that I needed to take more time to try to understand their cultures and I saw a lot of similarities in my Christian Western culture that as far as like moral lessons, I saw parallels of it, express themselves in a very unique way in different parts of different of the world, right? And so I've, I guess, increasingly adopted through that process and I kept doing that for a few number of years. And I still kind of operate on a bit of a diplomatic wavelength. I still go to conferences in different parts of the world where I talk to people from different places. And I find that what works best and what I find that, what I find that,

the most is to not start from how I'm different, but rather like, what are the common points of universal principles that we all know are true? And that always creates a really good space for healthy respect for each other's differences. And, and so I approach it kind of like that way, and I find it works really well. As far as the particular details of like, did I make Jesus Christ my personal Lord and Savior discussion, which only has one, I'm like, I'm not really settle on that particular approach to it. But again, I do know that there's a God that made me in all of humanity in God's image. And we have an immortal soul that can be made healthier or sicker by virtue of the decisions

and the vices that I either try to cure or give into. And the decisions I make have an impact on my immortal soul in some way, whether that's going to be me burning in hellfire or living on Cloud 9 or. whatever at the perfect age of 30, whatever the perfect age is supposed to be, right? I don't know. There's different theories about the afterlife. Is it going to be like Dante's Inferno and his paradigm?

I don't know. But I do know that there's something inside of me that because I can think of universal, I can discover universal truths, that there must be something when I discover any type of universal truth, whether it's a geometrical truth, an astronomical one.

If it's a true discovery, not something I've just memorized, that's something I've really worked through, it's a truth. And because it's universal, it has no beginning or end. It has no outside or inside. It's true. And so because of that, the reality of that, I know that there must be something inside of me that expresses the same essence of that, of those truths that are outside of me.

Otherwise, I wouldn't know where the Eureka was. I wouldn't know where to stop. So there must be something that recognizes, right, that as one degree of approximation, on top of the other ways I could think about it, taking joy in the good of others and, you know, all the evidence that we have of nobility, even in nature, where you'll have, like, mother, cougars adopt a baby pig, you know, and treat it like it's their own. Like, that's, that's a weird thing that the Darwinist can't explain. But there's evidence of cooperation of a certain type of harmony in nature and that we can even think about it and get better at it is something really special about humans. So again, I approach it philosophically more than and with a morally pragmatic orientation in a sense, as far as the religious question is concerned.

But it's not a settled question in my mind either. You know, there's all sorts of mysteries that I've, I don't know how to think about. You have an interesting brain. So, like, I'm, I mean, the highest, like, I mean, that is a very high compliment. Oh, sorry. Yeah. Thanks. I was like, yeah, it's an interesting shirt.

No, no, no. They don't like my shirt. What I do on, right, is I interact with people's thought processes all the time. And, you know, I got a brother who's an engineer and we'll sit and I'll be like, how do you? And I'm sure on the flip side, he looks at me and goes, what the heck are you talking about, right? Like just two different ways of working through problems. and so I asked you a question. Now, I've done this all episode long,

and you have to work through your, you're almost showing your math of how you get to your equation, how you get to your answer, the long form of math, of like this is, and I'm like, the answer's this. And, and now, once again, I could be, could I be wrong, but for sure, I could,

but I'm like, no, the answer is this. And I'm making this way too simple, but I just, like, I'm listening and I'm like this is very somebody sitting somewhere listening to this is on the same wavelength as you and I'm

and they're like holy man and this is why you're like you've come to cornerstone and why people really like having you at cornerstone it's because your brain aligns with so many people and when I listen I'm like it's interesting you get to the point where

God is real but then you go but I don't know where I align on certainly. religions because I've interacted and we have mutual respect and everything else and I in my brain to go I believe in Jesus but I'm willing to you know sit down with pretty much anyone in any belief system and go okay it's interesting I believe what I believe and you believe what you believe if you want to know more about why I believe it I'm fair to share but it's okay if you don't believe you know

what I believe I can you know don't do harm by me and I'll try not to do harm by you and and we can coexist and be peaceful. And when you ask, I'm going to tell you what I think and onwards. I find it interesting that you get to a point and you haven't gone right into the rabbit hole of, you know, like all the rabbit. I find it. The other thing I find interesting is like you recognized, like I think so many of us have recognized.

Like I think I lost my mind in COVID on multiple levels. And because of that, I lost faith in humanity because I just saw all the awful things we were willing to do to one another's but they hijacked us they hijacked so much and they continue to hijack parts of the population and it's almost like we're programmable and they're trying to figure out how to do that and so i guess that's two thoughts sorry i'm giving you two no no no that's good that's good and i um i thank you as well for sharing how you're receiving um my thoughts because i know sometimes it's it's it's a bit contentious this this whole line of conversation but it's also it's you're you're you're approaching it from a from a very very patient and and open

well i don't mean to make it seem like he's contentious i i no no but it can be i'm not saying it is with you because you're a very very philosophical minded person and it's very easy to talk to you but um and i do hope that yeah like i always try to make my thoughts transparent so that like you said i i i do consciously try to um make i don't want people to take a generalization that I'm saying or something without getting to experience and some what's called sufficient reasons. I want to try to provide enough information so that people can at least come with me on how I came to thoughts. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I try to use that in my research and my books and stuff too. So it's not just believe me. It's like here's the points of evidence that caused me to

have this question or this perplexity. And here's the way I'm trying to resolve it. bit and here's the lines of reasoning. Let me, let me, let me, let me throw a different question at you. Do you think at times a guy like me would be better served to try and explain the long answer of how I get to the point so that people could understand? And the reason I bring that up is like, when we, when we first sat down, people won't, like, it's like, it's cool when you walk in and we were talking right at the start, I just walked in and we just started going.

But one of the things you thought when we sat down was that I'd always been a Christian. I was like, that's not true. I was like, actually, no. Like, I raised in a Christian household. But I ran as far away from it as humanly possible was because of the Freedom Convoy. And then I would assume your brain went, oh, there was this ultimate love there. And I'm like, that's not what happened to me at all. Actually, I went to the Freedom Convoy and I fell apart and, like, came home in shambles.

And you're like, what? And I'm like, but I never share my homework or my. math because I'm still trying to piece it together so that I can make, you know, so that there isn't holes in the math. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so I just go to the simple answer of I believe in Jesus. Yeah. And so people just assume, and once again, I'm assuming this is what they do. They go, oh, he's always, always believe that. Or some other answer that actually isn't the answer. That makes sense. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. No, and I think there's a time and a place for everything, right? Like, do I think that everybody should aspire to try to understand why what they

believe is true as well as believe it? Yeah, I think that that's a good goal. And in a healthy school system, I think that that should be something where, uh, that that's awoken within us is a pursuit of like, well, not what's the answer to the question, but what's the question in the first place? So like, instead of being told to memorize a formula or something to get the right answer to pass the test, we should be first given a problem in such a way that the question emerges from within us so that we have a fire that starts inside of our hearts that will want to then construct a solution concept to that problem that we're being presented with in the first place. And I think good teachers would typically do that.

You know, like a lot of people right now, they're all into the flat earth thing. That's increasingly becoming a more and more popular thing because there are certain problems in the the way that the that astronomy is typically taught by a memorize this know the right answers but not actually understand how any of these ideas were discovered in the first place so because of that general ignorance masquerading is knowledge

but it's not knowledge it's memorizing answers people become very susceptible to arguments that showcase different places where the official narrative doesn't work and then they're quickly by virtue of having a few examples of where it doesn't work, they will quickly fall into whatever is being presented to them as the alternative, like that the Earth is completely flat or surrounded by an ice wall

and that everything moves around this flat disc, including all of these spherical planets, and that the sun is really close and not that far, and we could probably shoot a gun at it or something. Whereas if you actually were, and I luckily had this fortunate experience when I was again, I'm very grateful for a big part of my education in a real way when I went into the LaRouche organization, there was a robust, like a youth curriculum at that time where we got to look at, well, how did Eratos and he's come up with the idea of the measurement of the Earth's circumference, like 2,000 plus years ago?

So what, did he do an experiment? If so, what was it? And if so, can we do it again? And just by, like, having fun, like, there was a bunch of 20-year-olds in two different camps on a, on a, a meridian, a common meridian, we're able to, at a certain time of day, coordinate with cell phones, using shadows on an inverted, you know, a sphere. So we're able to take a little stick, look into the inverted sphere,

at noon, simply then measure the distance of the shadow. Can you really fair? Pull that down a little. There you go. At noon, we were able to measure the distance of the shadow, and then based upon the distance of the two campsites, were able to then take the differential of the two shadows. Brilliant.

Right? Yeah. And Eratosnes came up with this idea in Egypt 2,300 years ago, and he was able to extrapolate that answer of these two different cities that are pretty close to each other. He just extrapolated it out and said, okay, what must be thus the size of this curvature that I'm detecting by these two different shadows?

And he was right within like 50 miles of error. And he got it. So you can do that with kids at seven, eight years of age. they can already begin to carry out these very simple fun things where all of a sudden it's real earned knowledge that would then make them more immune from the kinds of sciops that are sort of just flowing into the zeitgeist, the truth world where people are increasingly not believing

because of COVID, yeah, they're like, okay, COVID's a lie, thus everything's a lie, right? Moon landing is alive, maybe that's true, but thus the world is flat, right? So these extremes often work against us when we make these leaps, if it's not grounded in real knowledge. So as far as this idea I was playing with, or not playing with, but I don't think that we're naturally plebeian or stupid.

I think that there's a lot of work that has to go into making us the worst part of ourselves culturally. And the oligarchy wouldn't have to put so much effort into sabotaging our understanding of how scientific discoveries were made if we were naturally stupid. or for inclination was to naturally be tribal or something like that. Because I think there's so much every, there is something to be said about the fact that science has been sabotaged. Most of what we were taught as science today, if you scratch on the surface of a lot of the stories of Darwinism, of Newtonism, it's actually a fraud. Now that doesn't mean that the discoveries weren't made that are attributed to, let's say, a Newton, gravity, the inverse square law, that has mechanistic practical value. But it's like, well, then who made the discoveries if it wasn't Newton, who was an alchemical black magician?

from the Rosicrucian Society that set up the whole Royal Society of London. Who actually made the discoveries? Well, you can look at who published their work, and when I find a Godfrey Leibniz, who was making the discoveries of the infinitesimal calculus, or Kepler, who was making the discoveries of the, of universal gravitation, decades, many decades in some cases,

well before Newton even lived, Kepler was publishing his works. When I look at their writings of how the people who made the discoveries, they're doing the same thing you were just, commenting on what you observed I try to do, which is that they're telling you every mistake they make along the way. They're taking you through every question. Yes. Right? And they're, because they know that that's, that's the substance of the discovery. It's the journey. It's not so much the right answer. And then you'll find that there are these neoplatonic, Rosicrucian

magician types that have been maintaining a continuous operation since the days of Babylon that animated the worst, you know, elements of the Persian Empire that took over and transformed the Roman Republic into an empire. You can map and trace these high priesthoods. And you could trace out their operating the modus operanda. You could look at what they do, what they've been doing now. So it's open to it to investigation by rational minds. And they have to always subvert and sabotage truthful discoveries that provide, that replicate

the Eureka experience. They have to do it and they have to always do it using the same method, which is to give students of science or whatever a model that they can only memorize and then use almost like a religious, secular religious sermon to be accepted into the clubs of academia to be published, to be allowed into peer-reviewed committees that have your papers pass, that give you the grants. And that goes back a long ways. And if you upset that apple cart, you can have your career destroyed, as many good scientists have, for proving that global warming is not being caused by a carbon dioxide molecule or something, right? And so why do they have to do that, I think, is because if we actually had a healthy education system

that everyone had access to, that taught us how discoveries from ancient times to the present are actually made, then we would have an internal standard by which we could then review some of the sacred texts and pick and choose what we wish to emphasize, because I know that the oligarchy that wants Christians to fight Christians or Muslims to fight Muslims. Most people who die by Muslim hands are Muslims. Like, ISIS kills mostly Muslim people who just don't subscribe to their particular variety of Sharia law and slafism.

But they'll kill anybody at the end of the day, right? But the way that they do it is they get people to emphasize the wrong things within their sacred texts so that, you know, The inner heart, the mind that would otherwise have an internal standard of truthfulness and how God created the universe is not activated so that when they're reading their text, they're more easily persuaded by a dishonest Jesuit priest or dishonest imam to emphasize parts of that text that might otherwise weaponize them to go to war with the other,

instead of actually just looking for the parts of the text that actually bring about their grace and goodness and truth. So I think that's part of why they have to work to destroy science so much, I think. and also culture and the beauty as well, right? Like, if people think that the type of, of even artistic standards that were, you know, that shaped so much of our world, I don't want to say like all the music and all the arts and our current society is garbage, but a lot of it is way more influenced.

Yeah, it's garbage and by design. Like, you know I were talking about even just like rap and hip-hop, and there's some good stuff in rap and hip-hop. There's conscious hip-hop and stuff that actually have some moral values, but by and large, the dominant stuff that's shaping the culture comes from a bunch of satanic mafiosos who took control of the music industry and created by design things that they didn't even listen to. It's like a drug dealer that doesn't do their own drugs.

They're smart enough to not do that, but they brought in aesthetics from prisons so that kids of the black community that they were targeting to be absorbed into this new cultural matrix that would then be separated from all of the types of moral lessons that kids could have been inspired by by Martin Luther King Jr. and Frederick Douglass and Paul Robeson and all of these great sublime black souls, they didn't want them to be influenced by that. They wanted to be influenced by the thug life, right?

And wearing your pants down below your ass and stuff. That's not something that just organically naturally emerged as an aesthetical phenomenon. That was done because that's what people do in prisons. And the opportunity, and I would argue part of the opportunity to market that kids is parents not being around to do. their jobs or there's probably a whole bunch of reasons why they're not around to do their jobs

but parents have largely dropped the ball and i'm i'm not sitting here picking on anyone in the audience or i'm just looking at the the the overall entirety of society right now right like we we stare at it and we go Look at all the things the elites are doing. And it's like, well, what are we doing? We got this, like, since I ran into Susan Kokanda, I don't know if it was during that interview, but certainly after it,

I think of the MP Dean Allison interview. I'm like, you know, I'm just tired of the victim mentality. Like, we have no control over. Don't have to let your kids listen to rap. Don't have to let your kid, you know, like the rap thing I grew up with. I actually enjoy rap music. I'm not saying all of it. There's some pretty messed up stuff out there

When you listen to the words, you're like, holy man, what are they talking about? But like social media. Today's parent will tell me, by and large, well, we can't go back to the 90s shot. They have to live in today's world. And I'll go, go do some research on social media on allowing your kid to have a phone at way too young of an age. And just see what's out there. Today's, we stare at rap music. I go, today's rap music, or our day's rap music is then today's social media.

allowing your kid to have a cell phone at like take your pick nine 10 11 all of it's too young i mean you can just go take an afternoon do some research on it and be like that's not good that's really not good you know who's allowing that parents who should stand the way of that parents i mean i i listen i have a fight brewing on my hands in the years to come yeah not with my wife with my children because they're going to want it more and more and more. And I'm going to have to stand in the way of that and that will not be easy. And in five years time, I may listen back to myself and go, yeah, good luck with that, buddy. I have no idea.

But that's the fight that's going to ruin my own parenting. And there's been different iterations that have come through in the time of parents where they've had to stand in the way of things that have become very hip or take your pick. You know, like, I don't know. Was it, was it, what's the, it's probably different forms of TV and entertainment where I look at now and I'm like, oh, those people are ridiculous. What are they talking about colored television or, you know, what's, what is it, what is it footloose where they're talking about dancing?

You're like, it's a strange thing, right? I don't want to become so old school or traditional. My wife makes fun of me all the time, but I'm like, In my research is like, can't have an access to the phone and social media and all those. There is not a lot of good that comes out of that. You know, like there just isn't. So why would you allow that?

But I could see how 100 years ago it was, maybe not even 100, maybe it was 60 years ago, Elvis Presley or something. You know, like you can't. You know, like, it's a conundrum. Yeah, it shouldn't be a fight, eh, between the culture. Like it should be, but it is the case. As you were talking, I was just thinking about an old joke that I heard of this guy. It's a Jewish joke of this young guy.

He's going to the rabbi saying like, hey, rabbi, I'm a little bit nervous about when I get married. And only when I get married, can I, can I kiss my bride? And the rabbi is like, yes, you should kiss your bride. Kissing is a beautiful part of romance and marriage. He's like, okay, thank you. Rabbi, I've got another question to when I, when I, Oh no, I screwed up because I was supposed to say something at the beginning. No, because the first question the guy asks is, hey, rabbi, when I want to get married, can I dance with my wife?

He's like, no, dancing is strictly forbidden. It's strictly forbidden in the Torah. You cannot, no. He's like, okay, that's too bad. And then he says, okay, can I kiss my wife? And he's like, yes, of course you can kiss your wife. It's very good to kiss your wife. And he's like, okay, good, good.

Can I have sex to my wife? it's like yes of course sex between a man and a woman is a very beautiful thing and very good to have sex and replant and if children he's like oh okay good good good rabbi I'm a little bit embarrassed but but when we're having sex can I have sex standing up and rabbi's like no that could lead to dancing tradition tradition it's like how on earth I'm sure people like how did you get here no so the thing I was thinking about like the problem that I think a lot of parents have with their kids is is that they you can only give what you what you have within inside with within yourself and and there's a problem I know in my family of being obedient of like why should we do this

you should do it because you should do it because I said so you know like why shouldn't I do and it's like that's not sufficient as like maybe at a young age brushing your teeth because you want the tooth fairy to give you the money is maybe sufficient to get the behavior when you're a kid or because you might, you know, you'll make your mom angry if you don't, that's sufficient for the behavior. But as the kid gets older, their mind is developing and they're looking for reasons for things. And if the parent doesn't, is not equipped to give them reasons, or at least admit that the kid, that they don't know.

Sure. That even goes a long way. Like, why is the sky blue? Well, I don't know. That's a good question. You know, let's figure it out. Let's go, you know. I tell you what, I have times with guests on the podcast where I wish they'd just say,

I don't know. Yeah. Because I think it's healthy. super healthy and it earns the respect you know the kid will respect the parents more and and they'll learn how their own mind works it's a great way to have same thing for for teachers you know i i'm the best teacher i didn't have many good teachers but the few that i did value they were able to say at different times i don't know that's a good question thank you like it happened a couple of times in math class but again not very much that's usually that's a very rare occurrence um so if you're able to really

think through why being good is not just good because it makes mom and dad happier, it's good because, but if you could think through deeper reasons why, or why there's so many false goods, things that seem good that might be popular amongst the kids but are actually really bad. If you could think through that and bring the kid into a conversation about that, which most parents unfortunately just don't know how to do it, then the kid isn't going to respect them if they can't and they will increasingly respond by doing more of what the parent doesn't want them to do and can't explain why you know and I know for myself like I had all sorts of things that I'm ashamed of in my past different addictions I had and and I kind of had to I couldn't

break anything I successfully broke out away from as far as vices I know I did because I discovered what was holding me back I I couldn't just stop because I didn't want to do the drugs anymore or I didn't want to do the other, like there's a variety of, I don't have to list all my problems. But the thing that it was when I came to realize and it became a discovery that there was, this was there in order to awaken the worst part of me

and suffocate the better part of me. And when that became knowledge, it became more disgusted by the thing that was formally propelling me forward. Or, you know, that was a track. So you could do it by terror, you could do it by force, but it won't be very durable. And it will usually create a backlight. that is going to create a monster at the end of the day.

And, yeah, there's very few families. There's some families that I've encountered that can do that and that treat their kids like they have a mind and that have just a rational discourse and that are open to criticism even from the kids. There's a few. You know, our mutual friends, the Holmes clan, they do this quite well.

And I'm always impressed to just be around them and to see how they've been immersing themselves in dialogue and challenging each other. That's a healthy thing. Even though, you know, there's a variety of things that they disagree on and I disagree, but there's still that, that, that's a good thing. Isn't, isn't a terrible thing. Yeah. Right? Because, because usually if you disagree, yeah, I've got to go think on that though. Yeah. Right. Like, I wouldn't believe half the stuff I do if I,

if it wasn't that I disagreed at the start and then went and started, right, searching out different things, even in the podcast, just started talking to people about different things. Yeah. It's led to very wonderful places. You know, it's, it's led me to very wonderful people. You know, I, I chuckle at this conversation. I had a plan. I lost the plan early on. And at times I'm like, how on earth did we get here?

You know, the God conversation is always fascinating. Because I'm always curious how, you know, like, what I know has been through experience. We were talking about this before we started. There is lots of very, very interesting. people that I respect, don't believe everything I believe. And I'm like, that's very interesting. They're not a dumb person. How did they get to where they got to? You know? And can we still respect each other, even though we don't see eye to eye on one of the fundamental things in life? I found, for the most part, I think we can. It's just interesting to see how they get to where

they've gotten to. And I think there's more and more people starting to wonder the same questions. I mean, I think I'm a byproduct of society, right? Obviously, I think. That's interesting. It's interesting to get to where we're here talking so in depth about these things. And if you go back not that far long ago in the last hundred years, these conversations continue to happen. You come back to J.R. Tolkien, C.S. Lewis. I don't sit here and say I even measure up to either one of those people. But knowing they were having similar discussions is almost comforting, you know,

to see what they wrote and how they dealt with it. And then to see how they, you know, like Lord of the Rings right now, the thing that is, I remember thinking this time is the thing I'm going to spit out. I remember thinking, you know, you go watch Lord of the Rings the movie. Everything happens really fast. Bilbo leaves, gives him the ring, he leaves almost immediately. But when you read the book, that's not how it goes. It's actually slow moving.

And Gandalf basically says you should not rush off into evil. You should take your time. You should be just a touch more methodical. Don't wait too long. Be a touch more methodical. I'm adding a few words myself. The thing that I'm very curious, you know, over the course of the trip,

because I've been enjoying reading it, and I assume I'll get to books two and three, is Lord of the Rings is the first book I ever read where the ring goes into the Mordor, right? And the book doesn't end. There's like a hundred more pages, and he has to go back home to the shire and fight all the goblins

in, I don't know, is it trolls or whatever, have taken over the shower? He makes it all the way into mortar with the ring and then goes back? Yeah. In the first book? No, no, no. The third book.

In the third book. Okay. At the end of it, though. Return of the king. Return of the king. There's about 100 pages. I could be off. So he goes in mortar with the ring and he destroys the ring.

And destroys the ring. Okay. And then there's like 100 pages left at the end of the book. Wow. I had read this in high school and I forgot about it. I tell you what, folks. I could be off. Maybe it's only 50 pages.

But it is more than 10 pages. and they go all the way back to the shire and they have to have war in the shire and for a lot of people that's their favorite part of the book and I read this in grade seven not grade well it must have been grade 7

8, 9 that time frame, middle school I've never picked it up again and then you know I stumble into Christianity and then I had my thoughts and then I stumbled into C.S. Louis find out here because i i was always under the illusion i don't know why i have no idea why

that tolkien wasn't a christian and now it's almost like oh wait a second you start you're like what it's like i don't know how i got to that belief so now i'm going back through tolkien because i'm i'm fascinated by it and it was one of those books i could not put down as a kid and yet i come back and i start reading it i'm like now first i'm just in the first book first 150 pages and time is very interesting to me because in the movie they make it so quick and i know why they do that they need you know they need to shorten the time frame but froto is 50 when he leaves for his great adventure right to go destroy the ring and he doesn't know if he'll ever come back he's he's like i go leave and i'm quite certain i will not come back he's 50 and i've been i've been

wondering about, you know, like, you look at some of the greats, whether you like them or not, in the podcast world. Rogan in his 50s. Tucker Carlson in his 50s. Now, there's others, but those two in particular really stand out to me. Their age is interesting to me. I'm not saying they've gotten everything figured out, but they have enough life experience to decipher, I think, at times.

times when somebody's pulling their leg and when somebody's being untruthful to when somebody's speaking on the up and up and to see cycles of politics run through where they're like, that doesn't make any sense. Once again, are they all on the up and up? I don't know about that. And you read Tolkien and time is sitting there right in front of you, right in the first pages. It's just, I don't know.

I don't know. Once again, you've got me in a philosophical mood. Yeah, these are potent, potent ideas. And I, yeah, you know, the, I had read the books before the movies came out, and I did it because I wanted to have the experience of the books first. And that was good advice that somebody gave me to do that. And the problem was the movies were really well done. And they created such an effect on the mind that it kind of overwhelmed my memory of the book itself. And I've what you've just said, yeah, it shocks me because I didn't, I didn't.

didn't remember that. But yeah, the time, the descriptions, right, that Tolkien is taking you through to really immerse you in your imagination into the world that he's creating, including, I mean, he's making new languages that are, that have syntax and internal cohesion and grammar that are viable as languages. Like the amount of, of, like, rigor and authenticity had to put into himself to put himself into this space is mind-blowing. And then, yeah, like, Like to think of, I was surprised as well. I know Cynthia had done a bit of work on C.S. Lewis and his space trilogy a few years ago. And she did a great series of classes on his, on his, the hideous strength and Perilandra and a silent planet, which is sort of his response to the nihilistic turn of science fiction by the followers of H.T.E. Wells that were painting a very nihilistic, dark vision of humanity of the universe is a very cold, unloving place and C.S. Lewis was disgusted

and recognized where that was going and also recognized within Cambridge and Oxford where both he and Tolkien taught that there was this insidious sort of transhumanist ideology that was growing and growing that was going to necessarily lead to this dictatorial

satanic religion masquerading a science that he outlines it in depth in that hideous strength. And even has a figure that he creates, one of the stars of the book series called Ransom, who's modeled off of J.R. Tolkien, who's his friend. And they're together on the journey, trying to figure out how do you take the tools of myth making and storytelling, which is really such a beautiful power we have that could do so much good to express these truths that are also contained within the Bible. But how can you also get young people to have, to awaken their mind and hearts to that realm of love of truth of sacrifice and all of these other

story, you know, using the art of story. And unfortunately, there are some of the few that did it well. And so, and for most of human history, that art has been exercised by the enemies of humanity who used mythmaking and storytelling in order to bring about worse aspects of ourselves. But the fact is that the good you can do with that same power that these guys demonstrated is, it's transformative. And you can get like lifelong lessons into the soul of a young person so effectively through a good story that they will carry with them for the rest of their lives, you know? And the Bible for me is like, it's like there's, there's lessons of, my mom always had these, these storybooks fulled with Bible stories when I was a

kid. And these would be my bedtime stories. I'd read them to myself. They had beautiful illustrations. And like the stories of Joseph and the, and the multicolored coat and all these, these, the grace he had for his brothers that he could have gotten revenge on. He had the power of the Pharaoh and he chose to find love and understanding, you know, and treated them in very well despite having this power of revenge. And it's such a, that just stayed with me forever, these different kinds of stories, right? But yeah, I think we need more moral artists to get into the game because there's a limit. And I know that there's a limit to the way I communicate as well.

Like I'm doing things from a very like, you know, here's the mapping of, of, well. But that's all of us. There's a limit to all. That's why you need different people. I think of like a hockey team, a soccer team, or whatever sports team. I think it's sports. You don't have 20 Connor McDavid's or if you're not a hockey fan, whatever the similar version of a scoring forward in any sport.

You need the different parts to win. LeBron James by himself cannot win an NBA championship. We saw that. We saw that quite clearly of where he went and how. he won his championships. He needed different parts in the NBA and that's a sport where your star player can play three quarters of the game. You still need other parts to pull their weight. And so, you know, you're talking about getting other people in the game, a friend of mine, Drew Weatherhead, is, you know, and sorry, Drew, I'll, hopefully I get all the details right,

but certainly from Alberta. In the middle of COVID when they started to lock down the borders, him and his wife, he was a black belt and jujitsu, sold his business, or not sold his business, shut down his business because he was losing it, had a sibling vaccine injured, and him and his wife packed up shop, bought a camper, sold the house, a truck, and have left every year since then. And he started out by writing non-fictional books. And I think Drew already knows this for me. I thought they're okay Just I don't

Nonfiction isn't really my Doesn't really light me up Then he started a fictional book series Fractures And the last one Man I couldn't put it down I was just like

And I watch all these historical figures That I didn't grow up You know we read the stories of Tolkien And C.S. Lewis and what made them tick And what they lived through And what did they do? They went on to write fictional book series that were phenomenal.

I read as a kid. And I'm like, well, why would they do that? And then you read through and see what they live through. And it's different mediums or mediums, medias, to capture and get people thinking and draw them out. And we need that not only from writers, but musicians, painters. You know, like, I've never looked at a painting and been like, wow.

Maybe I have. I might be selling that short, But music for me is one. There's lots of instrumental music that can really pull me to somewhere else. And I really enjoy that. Now, is there a lot of garbage out there? Yeah. Yo.

I got to tell you, one of the things, because we're talking about science being subverted, but as part of the culture war, probably more important than the science are just as important, is the subversion of music. and the arts and, you know, the entire, like the entire contemporary abstract art universe that we have wouldn't exist naturally, were it not for massive influxes of CIA money, Rockefeller Foundation money from the 19th century, right after World War II. It wouldn't exist otherwise. Same thing for most of the aesthetics, even in the popular, the simplistic mind-numbing popular, repetitive music that has like little two to three-minute, like hits on the top 40. All of that stuff, both the

As my wife would point out, there's a song, American Girls, and all it does is say American girls all over, Harry Styles. She's like, it doesn't say anything. Ridiculous. It just says the same thing over and over again. I'm like, oh, well, it's a catchy tune. Yeah. No, there's actually a song I was just hearing that's on the top 10 right now charts

when I was driving. I don't know why I do this to myself, but it's about like, why should, it's a celebration in an anthem on I'm not going to do nothing today. I'm going to. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know what you mean. Yeah. You hear this one, right? Yes.

I'm not, I don't even know the melody, but I'm not gonna do nothing. I'm gonna eat pizza in bed. And it's like, that whole anthem is just stagnation. Stagnation. Where, uh, shout out to Peter Moran. Because he, when I was at his place in Manitoba, he had a song, Black Sheep by,

now he'll text me. Black Sheep, if you, if you, Spotify or YouTube, Black Sheep, you're gonna find, uh, folk country song. It's about Jesus, is going after the black sheep. And I'm like, man, it's just catchy. I got my kids singing that in the car.

So that's you, Peter, because if it wasn't for you, I would have never stumbled on that song. Yeah, well, I think that's the thing about war or trying to subvert what is good in humanity is it isn't just one thing. It's an all-out assault on all the things. And we can stare at them,

and we should point them out. But we should also point out the beauty in life, too. You know, like all the wonderful things. things that are going on. Going back to, I just wanted to, I've got to say this. Otherwise, I'm going to sit and stare at. And it'll be in the back of my brain. The third Lord of the Rings, Return of the King. The ring is destroyed near the end of book six, chapter three, Mount Doom. In that addition, the chapter runs from page 224 to page 241. The fall into the cracks of the doom and the immediate aftermath of the mountainside happened on the last few pages of that chapter. What remains after that,

the rest of the narrative field of I'll butcher this. Cormallon through the Grey Havens runs from page 242 to roughly page 340. That is about 100 pages of story. That's crazy right. Wow. And I know I'm going to get

these texts because every time I bring it up, someone else says that's my favorite part of the entire No man. It's like this is what's being destroyed right? To write like that to write like Tolkien did, you have to have faith in the soul and the mind existing in your audience that you know is there that wants the beauty of the journey that

wants that. Whereas when you lose that faith and you have artists that are trained to not have that moral faith, they start creating productions that give you only maximum experiences and endorphins moment to moment and just want to get you from one maximum experience to the next one. Sounds like social media. Yeah, that's exactly it. Right. And because they don't believe that there's anything fundamentally.

20 second video clips and let's just keep you going from one to the. the next to the next. Yeah, exactly. I'm like, I'm curious, this, this, this,

this ride of this conversation has been, I think it's been fun, but I'm also like, we have covered a lot, like, we have been not all over the place. That's, that's not the right thing.

I think there has been some, uh, threads that have tied it together, but, I'm like, we've been all over the place today. In a good way.

Yeah. But, you know, it's not a 20 second clip on, Instagram that's going to all set and make you go, yeah, right? I'm going to go run through a wall today or whatever. Or make you laugh, you know, some cat video or whatever people get into. Well, yeah, and that's, we need to start building those muscles again of just having the ability

to be with our own minds, to have an internal dialogue and just like not have noise come about. Like a lot of people can't even do that. They can't even sleep without the TV on or without some podcast playing in the background. White noise, podcast. Yeah. At times, I can be a failure. If my mind's racing, I can put on... So there's a wind of a well.

I can put on thunderstorms is my go-to. Oh, yeah. I like the sound of rain. I can't do that. Can't do that? No, not the rain, the whales, don't do it for me. Outdoor sounds like this. I don't even know whales sound like.

What do whales sound like? Don't make me do it. I want to make you do it. I can't do it. I don't know. I think you had it. Like the underwater sound. Underwater sounds of...

Are there people who... Underground buffalo. If you matter... Imagine what a drowning buffalo might sound like in his last death rattle. If you could record that. Yeah. So the... So that's the thing, right? Like truth and beauty.

Like they work together and Einstein, the way he was making his discoveries, he would always make the point that when he was hitting a block on the logical, he couldn't solve a problem on the logical domain or Max Planck had the same thing. They would play music together. Max Planck was a concert pianist. Einstein played Mozart. He played his violin, excellently, and they would perform together. And so that was the culture of the scientists of Europe, especially, Germany.

But it was a more normal thing that if you want to be a fruitful scientist, you have to have an artistic part of you have to feed your artistry. Yeah. And then they would revisit after playing a little bit. So Einstein played the piano. He played the violin and Max Planck played the piano. A piano. Yeah, okay.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah. And he described that that's how, that is what gave him the edge to make discoveries. And Plank was very visceral that that was the key. Because there's something about, especially the type of classical music of Bach of, of Mozart, of Brahms, that allowed for awakening, I think a sense of, of like rigor, to both appreciate it, but then to also perform it.

Like there's an extra degree of rigor and knowledge that you have to have to be playful so that you have to be able to know the technique very well of the piano, of whatever instrument, but also it's not one sound, it's usually part of a polyphony of many sounds that work together, so you're also having humility, you can't be the star of your quartet.

in general, you have to know your place. You have to be silent when it's your time to be silent. And to play, you know, there's a group of playing, which is freeing and spontaneous, but there's also a rigor and a demand to also be obedient to certain law, certain patterns and certain structures. So there's this way of harmonizing

these two seemingly different things that we're told philosophically are like unbridgeable, the freedom duty problem, right, or the order spontaneous, spontaneity paradox. They both exist. but how do they work together, right? You have a society that's both harmonious for the good, the collective good, right? But at the same time as each individual point of freedom is also being satisfied and growing at the same time as the good of the whole is growing.

Whereas today, we're often told you either have to be a communist Marxist who only believes in the collective good, or you can be a libertarian, radical freedom lover, Austrian school person who only believes in the individual good, but there's no way. You don't even try to find a way of thinking that abridges those two things at the same time, the way the founding fathers did when they were crafting the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution as two sides of one thing, which one focuses on the general welfare, right, the harmony of interest and the other one on the individual inalienable rights. And they're both, they should both be defended.

They're not mutually exclusive. So I think, yeah, like artists done well, the type that is not approved of by the oligarchy, which they try to, like today when we're told, you know, what is classical music, what is classical art, giving Philip Glass or Wagner, you know, but Philip Glass is like a classical composer. And I went to a Montreal Symphony Orchestra. This guy is like, he's terrible. You've ever heard of Phil? Awful stuff, man. It's just like random sounds using like symphonic instruments. But it's offensive. It's like violence to their soul. When I think of going to like a symphony, yeah. The guy in today's world that I think of is Hans Zimmer.

Who does, you know, all the, basically the Christopher Nolan films essentially, right? He did the music for inception and I mean, even the Dark Night or the Batman series. I don't know, a whole bunch. I'm spacing on

all the other ones, but he did a ton and like when you listen to that music, Interstellar would be another one. Like, do you know what I'm talking about? Mm-hmm. Like, am I in the realm of when you're saying classical music,

that's what I think of. Am I just... I think that those are like... There's classical motifs in that because the medium of the film that they're... Like the film medium itself

has to be popular. So you can't... It can't be offensive. So the type I was talking about was more for the high-brow elites. So they've got the two cultures thing. That's how they control us. You create one culture

of banality for the masses. And then you create one culture of ugliness. masquerading is somehow like sophisticated beauty. So it's a beauty that's above beauty, right? Because it's ugly. It's abstract art. It's random splatterings of paint.

That only the highbrow, sophisticated educated class can possibly understand. Which the rest of us go, that's selling for a million bucks? That's stupid. And that, exactly, it's supposed to get that effect by design, right? And that makes it even more valuable. Because that just solidifies the sense of elitism

in the managerial class that's supposed to wield power. that's not supposed to have a full heart. So that's part of what... Seriously, no shit, man. That's the reason literally why Vincent Massey and promoted this stuff

so big in the 40s and the 50s when he created the Canadian Arts Council that was created by this guy who actually had this philosophy that the purpose of art should create disinterest in the managerial class because he was the head

of the Canadian roundtable. He ran the Massey-Lovac Commission on the arts that created the Canadian Arts Council and this new means of funding the artists. I would often wonder why none of us or interested in politics or things like that.

And you hear that idea and you're like, I couldn't go to a place in my brain where I get to that conclusion. Because you're a human. That shit has broken out of these guys at an early age. It's really sad. Pity them, right? Forgive them.

They know not what they do. Because it's broken. I don't know what age at what point. They're put in boarding school. They're given a series of experiences that just like annihilate, ass rape, whatever, annihilate these kids. And they just become misconduct. anthropic human haters that hate themselves that have this fundamental hate i think that that's

their fundamental emotion where the fundamental emotion should be this like divine joy and happiness of a of like a happy baby like that's like crippled and instead in its place is this animosity resentment well we all we all have the ability to go there right yeah um it's greed there's lots of um dark things you can fill yourself with sure there's also like you said it earlier you were talking about Corinthians and the type of love there why can't I think of the word

agopic agopic yeah where it's like you do things without expecting things back and that I didn't think of this until you said it and I was going to hop in

but I wanted you to finish your thought on this road trip that's what I've been experiencing and I go back to my comment on Zane with the vehicle one of the first interviews I did in Calgary. It was with the guy who did the vehicle for us.

And I was like, why are you doing this? Right? Because most people, like, they don't are, like, I'm advertising for Zeebs, but he didn't ask me to do that. Like, why are you doing this? This is, mostly what did he do? He provided you. With a vehicle.

Okay. Built it for us. Okay. And I don't want to give two. I don't know if I really care. Like, they, they, it's not owned by them. I own it. and they just wanted to make sure

like Zebes or Zane I should say explains that we just want to make sure you're safe I'm like trying to make my brain understand and then and then you know we have some issues along the road and then you run into others but the one just recently

is Melissa and Rob McKee from Biker's Church and they do things and I'm like what the heck is going on and you just said it and I'm like that is a hard thing for a human being to understand is love or kindness where they want nothing back. Yeah.

It's like we don't run into that near enough. And when I brought up to my brother, he was like, yeah, one of the things about traveling the world that it taught me is, you know, like there's this kindness out there. And it makes me believe in humanity again. And going across Canada, yeah, there's some things going on. We all, I believe, would prefer not to happen, yes. but the kindness that I've received from the trip has been really cool I just

and it doesn't happen every day no but it happens more if I just sat at my house I'm like I've just it's you just kind of like what is happening right now yeah you know and and your phrase and I'm forgetting it again I don't know why I can't oh the agape yeah agape love yeah that's

that that actually is why I can't understand it kindness with expecting anything in return yeah and it's like for people if they haven't read 1st Corinthians 13 like they should read

1st Corinthians 13 guys it's so good yeah I'm gonna go back and read first yeah it's like Martin Luther King was the first introduced me to that he gave a speech where he was talking about the three types of love and how much more sophisticated

than thinking the ancient Greeks were than our current society because they didn't have We use one word love for a variety of things, and they actually were able to distinguish that there's a hierarchy of loves, of which Eros is one important, beautiful one, but you can't elevate Eros beyond the position that it holds within that hierarchy. And he's like, Eros is a beautiful thing for a man and a woman. It's part of the design of being human and being in the universe, but you've got another kind of love too is a different species of love, of filial love, of the general brotherly love of friendship. devotion to friends and to family extend that. What part?

Is it just 1 Corinthians 13? Just all of it? Yeah, yeah. And you're probably going to read one that says it charity because Caritas is how the Latin's translated it. If I could speak all the languages of earth and of angels but didn't love others, I would only be noisy going on, going or a clanging symbol. If I had the gift of prophecy and if I understood all of God's secret plans and possessed

all knowledge and if I had such faith that I could. to move mountains, but I didn't love others, I would be nothing. If I gave everything I have to the poor and even sacrifice my body, I could boast about it, but if I didn't love others, I would have gained nothing. Love is patient and kind. Love is not jealous or boastful or proud or rude. It does not demand its own way. It is not irritable, and it keeps no record of being wrong. It does not rejoice about injustice, but rejoices whenever the truth wins out. Love never gives up, never loses faith, is always hopeful and endures through every circumstance. I got a fly flying around my head.

Yeah, the mosquitoes and the flies are out in force. Sorry. Prophecy and speaking is unknown. Language and special knowledge will become useless, but love will last forever. Now our knowledge is partial and incomplete, and even the gift of prophecy reveals only part of the whole picture. But when the time of perfection comes, these partial things will become useless. When I was a child, they spoke and thought and reasoned as a child,

but when I grew up I put away childish things. Now we see things imperfectly, like puzzling reflections in a mirror, but then we will see everything with perfect clarity. All that I know now is partial and incomplete, but then I will know everything completely, just as God knows. God now knows me completely.

Three things will last forever. Faith, hope, and love. The greatest of these is love. Beautiful. Isn't that good? That's good. Yeah. Well, I tell you what, how will we leave it right there?

That's great. As the mosquitoes and the fly goes around my head. Lucifer's hordes were deployed to stop your sermon. The Lord of the Flies is upon you. Matt, I appreciate you. Have me in your house. And what we're going to do, we've been having fun in person with guests, is we're going to ask 10 bonus questions,

but we're going to do it over at substestown. So if you've been enjoying today's conversation, and you want to hear a few quick rapid fire with Matt Erritt, head over to Substack, and we're going to have a little bit of fun, and we'll see where it goes. Fun. Okay.