Shaun Newman Podcast - #1126 - Dr. Laura Braden

Episode Date: September 10, 2026

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Welcome to the Sean Newman podcast today. I'm joined by Dr. Laura Braden to the audience. Because we've been doing lots of things on the road. We're trying out new mics again. So this has been a thing, okay? You got to hear the fisherman round table. So we tested it there and we're, testing it again and we'll see how Laura does.

Okay. She can channel her inner shade. We've been staying at your place for four nights now. Yeah. And so I guess I want to start by saying thank you for that because it's been, and to your husband Patrick. It's been a good time. Yeah, it has been.

Yeah. It's been, the kids have been really getting along. And I mean, we sit here and that is rain again, isn't it? Yeah, it's dumb. It's just miserable. This is horrible. This is horrible. I invite you to PEI because it's got the best beach.

in the world. I'm thinking we'd lay down like we'd go to the beach. Yeah. We'd hang out on the porch. We'd go to the garden. The kids would entertain themselves and all you'd have to do is, you'd sit on the beach. It was a big deal. Now we've been cooped up for four straight days. Yeah. Yeah. That's okay. That's been great. It's been great. But I'm sure all the parents are like, okay. Okay, Ryan. You poor, poor souls. Yeah. Anyways, I have a gift for you. Oh. because

well maybe because I thought about giving a note too I only have so many of these to give out and so you know if your husband had just said yeah I want to come on the podcast I was going to give it to him but then

Patrick Patrick if you're listening this is your own doing so back home we give out one ounce silver coins to anyone who comes in the studio on the road I got to be I'm not saying I'm doing it perfect folks but we have to.

Beautiful. Pick and choose. Pick and choose, which sucks because I don't want to pick and choose, but we only got so many. And you were on the podcast, I think it was like a decade ago, honestly in the world.

Was it 375? No, no. Four. Once again, I'm walking around. I got no cordless. Look at this. I can just walk wherever I want to go. I want to say 423, but I'm just going to look that up.

Okay. Because that would be obviously useful information for Sean to have. Well, at Cornerstone, I had it right on the tip of my tongue because it was like, what number are you? What number are you? What did you think at Cornerstone? I loved it.

We had so much fun, John. It was amazing. Pat and I hadn't gone away from the kids on a trip yet since kids. We hadn't traveled together, done anything, you know, and he saw it coming up, and we've been following the podcast, and we were like, oh, let's just go because it wasn't fishing yet. It was perfect timing. Unfortunately, the next one, we'll have to skip, but it was before fishing.

Yeah, yeah, Pat has made sure to just point out, May 15th, 2027, is in the middle of lobster season, and I'm an awful human being. We can't come. But listen, it was because I had been to conferences. There's a free speech and medicine conference in Cape Breton that Dr. Chris Milburn had organized, and we had gone to that, and there's other conferences, the NCI. So I hadn't already been given the opportunity to, like, discuss things with like-minded individuals and just in an open forum where there's no censorship, but he hadn't.

So for him to go to that cornerstone forum, which is just like astronomically larger than what we had been going to and have these conversations about silver, about world politics talking to Tom Long. Like it was just, it was mind-blowing. It was so nice. We got home and we were refreshed and we had weird just feeling on top of the world. We're going to go every year.

And then, of course, I put it, hey, I'd just like to point out that was the best salesman. Tickets are going to be on sale very shortly, folks. Yeah, well, cool. Well, the silver coin, you know, like you do everything out here, right? I don't know if I can explain this. Okay, so we've been here four nights. Yeah. And it's like, you got horses, but like to watch you operate has been interesting. I swear she sleeps like 30 minutes at night and even then she's canning.

So like my children have just been like, Laura is like, She's a phenomenal cook. They thought you should be a chef. So we've been getting spoiled that way, right? But like, I don't see you slow down. And I was waiting to give a captain a chunk of silver because I thought, you know, like, and then Pat was, you know, sorry Pat, you're getting ragged on. Well, I'm the first mate. That's right.

So I'm curious, in your guys is out here on the east with everything that went on. Any precious metals? Are you in precious metals? We don't talk about it, right? Yeah, we don't talk about it. We have a chest somewhere. That's right. buried deep.

Yeah, yeah. We started paying, and I've been really fortunate because one thing I haven't really had a lot of time to invest is my time to keep track of what's going in that sort of realm. Yeah, sure. He's on it. He's on it and he's been paying attention and he's in all the, you know, he follows gold. Gold goes and guns and all those conversations. He's on there. And for a long time, I was like, what are you doing?

Like, put your bone down. But I'm so thankful that he didn't because he was on it and paying attention and how things. we're changing and what we need to be like diversifying our portfolio is so important and you know wealth isn't we got to figure this out because holy cow it's not in Canadian dollars that's for damn sure you know it's um because there's a um there's the thread of the convoy that connects so many of us obviously like the podcast world right it was for 419 that you're on And so like the episode you're going to be on, I think is 1126. Wow.

So that's why I say it feels like a decade ago. Like it's just so many hundreds ago. It's kind of wild. April 26, 2023. Wow. And if you go listen to the first 20 minutes, folks, we foreshadow me and Mel and the kids being here. And I didn't know about this trip. We hadn't even come into like conversation yet.

So it's kind of like wild. Even the tuna fishing that we went out and did. Like that wasn't. It's kind of just wild to listen to us from three and a half years ago and the conversation we have in the first 20 minutes. I'm like, this is wild. But 419 is when you were first on. And the convoy really tied a whole bunch of people together.

That time of living, you know, those couple of years really tie a whole group of people together. I've been spoiled rotten along the road from people. that were part of the convoy, that's just like taking us in and like done things for us. And like it's been super cool and just like genuine. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's cool. Yeah.

But one of the things about you being over in PEI is like we just didn't go and have a coffee and sit and like share notes and go like, oh, and one of the things we didn't, well, I didn't realize because you're like, you don't remember it. I'm like, I don't remember you in the room. I don't remember any of that.

But there's other people don't remember me, right? So I'm just like, eh, just like, you know, it's busy and everything else. Yeah. But it shocks me that, you know, sitting here with you and Pat, yeah, over the past four days, that it just didn't want, ding.

Oh, yeah, I do. I don't remember. Yeah. Like, we were all on our different paths. We had our different objectives. When we landed, we were like, we're going to help the doctors. You know, I was with the organization that brought them out.

We were, like, going to get them on the stages. And then I, you know, we were helping in any way we could. But that was our goal. And Pat was on security detail for the doctor. Like he was, you know, Dr. Hodgkin, he was beside him. Paul Alexander, he was beside him. He was a big security guard.

Me, he was beside me, and head on a swivel, making sure everybody was safe. So we were trying to engage with as many people as possible. But, Sean, like, we got there, like, we drove in 13 hours from PEI, got there, landed, and didn't stop running for two weeks. Yeah. And we were just, you know, it was insane. It was a whirlwind. And so I think it's interesting that we were all in these rooms. probably, I remember seeing you thinking, okay, because you're trying to also assess people out.

Like, are you cool? Are you cool? Are you cool? Okay, okay, I don't know about you. Are you cool, man? Are you cool? Are you cool? So that's what, you know, but. I need your brother here to get all my movie and references. I'm just like, you cool? Dazed and confused. That's enough to do that one. All right. I was coming to. You cool, man? Cool? Yeah. Anyway, so it was. Anyway, so it was, It was, I think that's, but it's really cool because there was cool. There was so many people with different objectives in this room all trying to do the same thing with the same overarching sort of like goal. Yeah. But running in like all these different directions.

And a lot of times, unfortunately, there was conflict or a little bit of budding ahead. Ego. You put so many humans in a room and they all want to do it their way. Well, when you, you know, like ears removed now, right? And you go down all the rabbit holes, right? Because that's after that experience, you're like, well, I. got to go down something because that, like, that happened. Yeah.

And the way they portrayed it is not what happened. But then you run into some things, you're like, ah, man, it can't be that, like, do you think at the top, there are like some just brilliant human beings that are just pulling the strings of everything? Or do you think there are a bunch of ninkum poops and ego is one of the, like, you just see the human being get in front of the human being all the time that doesn't allow people to work together. Even at the very top, I'm like, you think they could just work together because they got it so enlightened? Well, there was no organizational structure, Sean, right, at all. So it was like, bring everybody together. This is amazing convoy. The convoy was organized from the different

veins, you know, Bridget Pelton coming, you know, and all the people from the West and all the things coming together and converging. But when you put them all together, there was, there's no leader. There was no very few people knew how to run a meeting. Well, that's why when Tom Razah walked in the room he settled everything now I'm like oh my god thank you yeah we needed a like to me yeah that room is where Canada sits now we're just waiting for the leader to walk in and go listen we're not gonna we're not gonna we're not gonna castrate our young boys yeah that's this terrible idea you can be liberal you can be NDP you can be wherever you want it's just a terrible idea we can't do that okay

we're not gonna do that and and even most liberals be like yeah that that does sound yeah yeah all right fair enough But not like, oh, well, I'm kind of against it, but we're going to go to the, you know, the pride parade. Oh, and this year we didn't go to the pride. So, like, pat on our back. It's like, what the heck are you talking about? Just come out and say the thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So, like, in the room, everybody was, like, pulling all their different ways. And then when Tom walked in, in my eyes, this is how I remember. I was just like, oh, my goodness. We got somebody who can at least control some of the lions in here that are ready to rip anyone's head off. And they're looking at everybody going like, you cool? Yeah. You cool? Because you're not.

I'm going to come after you. Yeah. like, whoa, we just all came here. I'm the same. Yeah, and he was, all hats off to him. Like, he calmed everybody down. He obviously had experience in that realm running a big team, running big things. And people look to that in any, in any conglomeration of humans, there needs to be a leader emerge.

Or it's just like Lord of the Flies. Like, who's piggy? I think about that all the time. It's true, right? Yes, it is. So Tom was great with that. But even then. even though he obviously presented like an option for an organ like for a leader and for someone to follow and he was very intelligent and soft-spoken and very polite and he wasn't a belligerent idiot um that the egos in the room that didn't enjoy him being in charge of them there started to be factions regardless like we well there's no way to get around no no so then they would go and do their own thing and he was just it was just poor guy like hurting turtles i say that all the time but that's must it must have felt that way so

It's amazing that anything, but then he, like they did pull off a few really, you know, for all intents of purposes, it looked amazing. And then unfortunately, they started sort of having these like factions break out of the building and go elsewhere. So then communication broke down. So we're in the ark still doing things, we, the people in the ark still doing things. And then they were in this other, the Swiss, the other hotel. And then when the lawyers came, they went to another hotel. And then there was no communication. People were budding it.

It was just a shit show, excuse my term, but, you know, how do you communicate and how do you organize when you have three, four different locations all doing what they think is right? Yeah, I missed all that. I was telling you, like, after the first week, I was gone. Right. And then if people recall, it was like 53 days and no podcast, right? So, like, I went dark. Yeah. So, like, I heard all these things.

Yeah. And I see all the infight. I see the infighting in Alberta independence. Like, I, you know, and you're just like, man. Yet the way a propaganda war works is somebody's eventually going to take it over. They're going to say, you know, this is the most freedom convoy, most peaceful protest in human history or in Canadian history. Not wrong, but that becomes like the battle cry of like, this is how we're going to defeat all the propaganda they're throwing at that they're white supremacists. They're burning this down.

They're defacing these things, all the craziness that comes from the other side because they're trying to see what sticks. And you go, so how do you, like, I'm reminding him of Braveheart, right? Like how he gets portrayed by Robert Bruce and you're like, how do you, how do you, don't we want out? Why do the humans keep on doing this still as to the humans? It's wild to me. It's insane. Yeah.

Yep. Yep. But, you know, like when I watch politicians, I'm beginning to understand this, maybe just a little bit better, right? They need people to get elected. And so like a thing like the freedom convoy must have broke their brains because like the amount of genuine human beings that just came out that were like, oh my God, thank you. Right? But a politician is, and is hearing like a different noise, right? It's not genuine. It's based on what their advisors are saying or like what, you know, and they're being coached along the way and you got to act this way because it's the way that

the party, the to the party line. Right, right. There was one that didn't. There was only one politician that didn't do that. You're talking about Maxine? I am. Listen. You're a Maxine lady.

I think that man is a fantastic, well, I think he's a fantastic human. I've met him a lot. I've met him a lot of times, hung up with him several times. Listen to him speak, watched him behave. And from all the, he is a politician. Yes. But at the end of the day, the most genuine one we have at the federal level, 100%. That's my opinion.

I have met Pierre. I've been in the room with Pierre. I've watched him and he doesn't feel genuine. I've been to conservative party rallies here, watched the influence of the people. The Conservative Party of Canada is very not genuine, disingenuous to me. They don't speak for, they speak for what the political atmosphere is, is how they frame their conversation to Canadians. There's nothing genuine about that. He went on the Joe Rogan podcast and said nothing to me that I thought was good.

He didn't, he didn't scream, you know, the champion for Canada. He's just another politician saying what he thinks is right for his constituents. But it wasn't genuine. No, he's saying what he thinks is right. I'm trying, he says what he's been told is what the people believe. Yeah. Based on polling and all the things. Yeah, yeah.

And so like I look at it and I'm like, Donald Trump may break so many people's brains, but like why do people like Donald Trump? Because he is smashing. Now they want him to smash down Epstein. They want him to smash down the vaccine. They want him to smash down. Right.

And so when you don't do that, there's a whole lot of people like, oh my God, he's not the, Like, you know, he's over. He must be just like everybody. But let's talk about that for example, for a split second. Sure. Maha. There is nothing.

Every time that anybody argues with me about American politics, which is often. And in fact, now I don't generally speak about it in social media spaces because, you know, well, the communist government might come to my door. But no more dyes in foods. Revising the vaccine schedule finally. Talking about eating good food, having Robert Kennedy be like, actually we're all sick fat and out of shape and our children are being poisoned. And we have a diabetes epidemic because of the obesity and the shit food that we're feeding our children.

So I don't know. Maybe we should stop that. And I'm looking at him who's like buff, right? This guy is the epitome of health thinking, and finally have someone in the US saying something that they need to say, where's that in Canada? Let's look at our health minister, for example. Do we want to pay, like, is this what we want

to emulate for our children? No, they're doing things the right way in a lot of ways. They're not going to agree with everything because the politics at the end of the day will run the show in some degree, but they're doing amazing things. There is a girl and a boy, end stop, two genders, end of the, that is, finally somebody said something

that was biologically correct. on the TV and I was like winning already was like 10 seconds into his presidency and it was amazing right they addressed to the nation yes that was like uplifting to me and I'm looking across the board at all the people who are losing their ever-loving minds because at the end of the world and oh my job like wow so Donald Trump is genuine he says things that are genuine and he also says some things or you're like why yeah what an idiot because he's a human yeah well and and you just understand there are factions going on right like there is it what do you win by 50 some

percent to you know so you go there is billions of dollars maybe trillions of dollars working against him some of the most powerful people in the United States do not like him so obviously they're going to push against it right and influence and all the different things and you know like coming out of the freedom convoy yeah I think there's a whole bunch of us that have sat back and tried to understand the level of sophistication. And maybe it's like super simple. Maybe you just look at it, you know, and you're like, okay, this vibration, human beings are lovely and everything.

So we're just going to pump in a ton of noise and fuck with the rhythm and, and just mess them up. Maybe it's that simple. But there's a ton of people that were there that saw things and, you know, and all the different. And they just like, and we were ill prepared for some of the techniques. that destroy a good movement. Psychological warfare. We were in war.

It was war. It was good versus evil. We've talked about this before. Yes, we have. We walked in, and the atmosphere, and there was the joy and the jubilation and the coming together of Canadians for like that haven't been allowed to express themselves

for varying degrees of reasons, for many years coming together, being like, look at us. Wait, I'm not the only one. You agree with me? this is bullshit. Like, this is amazing. And it was so great.

And then there was, that was over here. And then over here was this like top down weird dark energy was like trying to, you know, you get the Nazi planted Nazi flag in the, in the crowd or like, you know, there's this white supremacist group here infiltrating and just trying to poison Canadians. And that dark energy came from the CBC. That was the media manipulating the viewpoint of everybody that watches the same. CBC and more and casting this shadow trying to like constantly subvert subvert subvert subvert subvert and for a lot of the convoy the good was winning because the accumulation of people

it was unbelievable I've never experienced anything well that's what I mean right so like although it's probably more complicated than most peaceful protest of Canadian history it's also good versus evil and for once good was like was kicking ass and taking names. Yeah, yeah. Like, it was... It was amazing. There was hope.

There was hope. Yeah. And it was palpable everywhere. Yeah. I've probably shared this story a few times, but dad drove long-haul trucking across Canada. And as kids, we'd go with them, and he had his own wave, and he talked about how all the truckers had their own waves. And he said, that'd been dead for a long time. And in the convoy, he was driving around Alberta, and everybody started waving again.

Wow. That's amazing. So, like, you, as a politician who stares at polls and stuff, you just keep. can't possibly fathom that. But I've witnessed it now with the convoy, with Daniel Smith being elected, right? People, you know, like all the polls and this and that. And I'm like, ah, she's getting elected.

What I will say is I was surprised at how close it was between her and the establishment, right? And I'm not, once again, I've had Travis on here, Taves. I have no idea. He seems like a nice human being. I don't think he's this evil man, but I could be wrong. He was also in the middle of COVID with Jason Kenny on the balcony with, you know, with no mask, drinking wine. And you're like.

But he's already in the club. So he's in the club. He's in the club. Yeah. Yeah. So like, it could be a good human being. At the end of the day, Daniel Smith was at the time the outsider. She, and so I've witnessed convoy and I've witnessed her.

Now you see Donald Trump get elected and now you have Alberta independence. Everybody says, oh, they can't. Yeah. They can't possibly win, right? Albertans can't get their crap together. And in fairness, I watch it. And I've had lots of conversations with middle of the road, Alberta. And I'm like, oh, maybe we aren't going to get it, right?

Because they're scared or need more information and all the things. And it's like, maybe that is the best. Like I'm not a genius. Yeah. But what I've witnessed is every time they say something can't be done, I'm like, that's because people don't want to take a pull on it. They've literally called separatists or independence folk traders. Like this is legit.

That's what people think of. And so like they're not going to answer a phone call on whether or they're not going to answer phone call on whether they want to leave are you kidding me yeah that that doesn't no like this is this is this is exactly this is this is exactly covid yep yep so like it's possible you get to the referendum on october 19th and it's like 72 percent i i would say in my i would say well they clear majority right right and once again it's not a binding referendum more so right like what happens if you get a plain majority what happens next. Well, so this is what pisses even me off, right? The rule was, this is what you applaud Daniel Smith for. You needed 177. At one point in time,

it was an ungodly amount of signatures from all the ridings in order to get a referendum. Daniel Smith comes in after the day after Carney's elected and lowers it to 177,000, and it literally could be from one writing. If you get 170,000, you get 170,000, you get 17, is at 7,000 confirmed signatures, you're off to the races. This took all the complexity out of it. It's still a lot of signatures. Enter Mitch Sylvester and APP and this whole group of people. And they go in the dead of winter, just like the convoy.

And there's people sitting everywhere, and they collect 300,000 plus. Amazing. Amazing. Now, you have Thomas Lukazek, who went around with Forever Canada and collected 400,000 people, want to stay. Okay, sure. but we we think I but but I I look back I look at it and I go like you got to understand establishment is going to fund that they're going to they're going to talk they're going to

they're going to give it all the air time in the world they're like all these things when you try and undo something we already know the the establishment is going to fight back dirty right yeah so he gets the 300,000 yeah then election then first nations come out and say where they weren't consulted then elections Alberta says we're not going to count the we're not going to count the so what Why wasn't that part of the conversation at the beginning? But I know, but this is how they play. This doesn't surprise me.

No, no. It's a very frustrating. They needed. They had to pull a stop. They had to. Right. So then Daniel Smith comes out with, we're going to put it on the referendum. Everybody's cheering.

Yes. And then it's the caveat, though. Not binding. Not binding. And it's going to be a referendum to see if we should actually have a referendum. And if you like, so people piss people off is like, no, no, no. You said if we get 177,000 signatures, it'd be on the ballot. We get on the ballot.

Now you need like 1.5 million. I could be off of my numbers, Alberta, my apologies, one point some million people to come out and say we want to have a referendum in order to even get a referendum. So it's taking the number and just jumped it. Now, that's the negative. On the positive, I go, yeah, but it's on there. And you've still got a month and change before the referendum. Okay.

to have people come out, but we want a referendum. We want change in this country. And so like... And maybe they'll be more likely to do that in the privacy of a ballot. Well, and it's not binding, so maybe... But like, I was in the room at the cornerstone, and I heard what she said about... There was a question about this.

Yes. And shoot out, if you get the signatures, we'll put it on the ballot. Like, there's nothing to hold her to... there's nothing to hold is this like smoke and mirrors yeah but I go back to when I like my my lovely wife tells me all the time that I think very highly of Daniel Smith right but when I go back and listen to her first or second interview on the podcast when she had no political I know maybe I'm naive maybe she had political affiliation back then but like she was just a she wasn't on the radio anymore she was just an independent like us

she literally said on the I could go back and find it there will never be another of government of Canada, like federally. So she knows all this. She knows that... Yeah, she's very smart lady. She is... Very smart. Brilliant.

Yeah, yeah. So I look at it and I go, the problem she's running into is probably different problems that... Well, there's Donald Trump or any politician. It's the machine, and inside the machine, there's factions and they have... Yeah, they don't want Alberta to...

To get anything done, you got work with it. Every East Coaster, even the old boys. Offline when I was talking to... to them and lead up to it? Yeah. No, if Alberta leaves, Canada's not a thing anymore. So if you want Canada to be a thing, even just your regular folk are going to support that it's bad.

No, this is terrible. They're selfish, all these things. But when I talk to just East Coasters, they're like, yeah, Canada needs to hit rock bottom before it can be. 100%. I go, well, it's rock bottom. And they're like, honestly, Alberta leaving. Yeah.

That would force change. It wouldn't be comfortable change, but it would be forcing it. Well, and that's the only way that, like a lot of people that in our, conversational circles feel like we are we I would be so proud of Alberta to do that because people have been abused like there's in a lot there's a lot of abuse and we've talked about this as well PEI feels the abuse even though I know we're getting millions and millions of dollars from Alberta thank you but like that's not fair in the hand and then and then to be stifled as a kind so the same thing's happening sort of being abused

in PEI like we get the shit end of the stick all the time because it's a tiny little province who cares blah blah yeah they've got anna green gables and some lobster and potatoes but yeah whatever right like it's not an equal it it doesn't feel like the provinces are being treated like they should be which is independent entities that all bring something really unique to the table and alberta has been just totally like screwed like if i was living if i was in alberton which by the way if thing you know if alberta separates that looks really attractive to me. You got lots of land. You have lots of water. You got horses. Like the mountains. Listen, I'm from BC. Alberta was like my second choice. Now it's my first.

But you know, looking over there thinking, yeah, that would be really shitty for us, but that would be finally change. And then maybe would wake up the elbows up recharge in the country. Sorry, our word. But you know what? It's 2026, right? I've been told you can say the R word. Well, you, it's very enjoyable that. I know. I thought, I thought the LGBT men and women's sports thing was just done. After Donald Trump came out, you know, all the things. And then, of course, we have all the grown men trying to get in the WMBA right now.

And I'm like, this is still a thing. Yeah. And then you realize, oh, this is still a thing. Yeah. Yeah. We're still pretending. We're still making, make a big believe. Like, there's so many things with the elbows up.

It's gross. I'm like, we're still here. Yeah, Carney, yeah, he's defending Canada. Yeah, screw you, the U.S., elbows up. I've got people on my feet. Like, elbows up. Like, we're not going to have any free trade. Canada can be by yourself.

Are you out of your ever-loving mind? Yes, there. Without the U.S.? We cease to exist with trade. You know what reminds me up. is like somebody who lives in the city, sorry city folk, because I don't know there's a lot of great city folk, but like even the city folk know these people.

They're going by, their beef from a super store, and just assume it comes from some magical shelf in the back or something, right? That's how a lot of Canadians view our trade with the United States. Like, oh, it's not a big deal. Just get rid of them. What do we need them for? And it's like, just go look at the numbers. But in the middle of COVID, I remember, like,

One of the most important things I ever did is I went and looked for the numbers myself. I was tired of doctors and I'm like I have to do a little bit of work. John go do a little bit of work. And so I went and looked at Alberta's data, South Dakota, Florida, Sweden, because it was all publicly available. And then I just... They're talking about like deaths and things? Deaths and everything, right?

And just seen what they said about comorbidities and like... And then I just put it on a spreadsheet and I just did the math. And I remember thinking, I want to say Sweden, was like 76% survival rate of like 90 plus. Like I remember finding like, oh, well, that actually, if you're old in that spot, you're not doing great. But like in my age demographic, it was like 99.999 anywhere. It didn't matter if you were strict, you know, like, I'm like, what the heck? And that was important. So when you look at data coming back to tariffs, the reason I bring that up, it's like, for some reason, there's this, there's this, there's this, it's so much work to do this, just, it's just a little bit.

You nailed it. Work. And I don't get it because, like, the data's all sitting there and just like here. If we do this, we're screwed. We're screwed. Just, just read this. Yeah, yeah. But I'm.

And our prime minister knows that. So how do you like, I don't know. Make the square fit into the elbows hole? I don't know. Because I remember, I remember. I showed out to Ken, we were at a board meeting, and he brought in data on COVID. Like, just like, okay, like here, printed it all off. And I just watch people's eyes just like, and I'm like, uh.

Oh, but that's not real. Also, what would be interesting is if you printed out the flu beside the COVID for the elderly, that's a good graph too. Yeah. Yeah. Coming from your background. Mm-hmm. Like, how do you put that peg in the square hole? How do I put what? Well, I remember people telling me in the middle of COVID. Sean, you're just a oil field, whatever, hockey player, take your pick, right?

What do you know? I mean, I've gotten this a lot from having a podcast. You don't have a PhD in anything. You're not an highly educated, you know, and I'm like, uh-huh. Okay, you're right, I am a moron. But even a moron can see like simple things and just be like, I don't, you know, this guy is blue. Yeah, you can't tell me it's green. Yeah, you can tell me all these funny things, but I'm like, I can just use my eyes and see it.

Blue. Yeah. We don't have an immigration problem, really? I can literally open my eyes and I can believe what my eyes are seeing. I'm not, it doesn't mean they're all bad people. It just means there is a ton of them. It's a problem. And anywhere I go in Canada, everybody says the same thing.

It's like I use my ears and my eyes and you can just see we have a problem. You ma'am. Yeah. Yeah, that was hard. You got, you got a... You can't tell me this guy. Well, but you can go like, here's all the... This is why I need the period of view literature. And then you could...

Then they could, well, that's not good literature. And you would actually be able to... Marina called you a wolf. And I'm like, well, I've been trying to think about... No, no, I'm going to ask question. Okay. Because I'm going to get pulled off on a side to have. It must be ridiculously frustrating on so many different levels to have like your background and your

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Understanding of like all of the science. It basically was come, it was my, it was like, here's this problem and you are probably more equipped than 99.5% of the population of Canada to understand it because that's what it is. We're very specialized. Molecular immunology and genetics and bioinformatics and, and, reading code, genetic code and cloning, like all of these things, working with virus, working with deadly pathogens in biohazard labs to understand that if this was really a bad thing, the mask is absolutely the most idiotic, you know, prevention measure. It has nothing. It just, all of these things sort of were in the background all the time. And I was assuming, Sean, that because I had so much experience in a lot of these things, listen, so much, a decade or so, not as much as a lot of people.

So I assumed that my peers, who had, like, way more years of experience, like everybody that I was working with at the Atlantic Veterinary College, I'm just going to call it what it is, everybody that, you know, in my peer group, with the exception of two scientists, and I will not name their names, but they testified for the NCI, everybody. was trying to tell me the sky was green. Everybody. And I'm sitting across from these people at a dinner. And one of them is wearing a mask at the dinner table. And I'm like, listen, you're just, you're kidding, right? Because I didn't wear, I'm, I'm just refused for multiple reasons. Well, you know, they tell it.

They, they, they tell us it's for our own good. It's for our safety. And it's for your baby. You look, I'm pretty, you know, I'm like, bud we work with virus that's not how this works what do you mean they tell you didn't you do like a PhD in 95 different postdoctoral fellowships in this realm like what the fuck it was so bizarre it was such a such a trip and then like with all the other things like the PCA everything everything about it was just so insane Sean that when it came to like uh trying to square that hole

it was almost it wasn't worth it and then I was working for a company as the only professional in the field that could understand it I was the only immunologist working for my my company Aqua Bounty I could say that too because turns out they just went bankrupt so it doesn't matter anymore anyways doing work with gene editing doing work with I was the immunologist I was the program lead I was doing all the things and they tried to get me to write a letter to all the employees encouraging them to get the geneal genetic experiment that I just finished telling them in a board meeting was likely not safe because it wasn't tested and we've never used this technology on humans before and I will

refuse, I'm not putting my name on it. So then they just made their own and generic and signed it as someone else. But they refused to listen to, like, we should have a conversation because from a liability standpoint, you could get sued. You're an American company. Somebody's going to sue you because you forced them. Like should we not talk about this? Oh, well, we don't like, we're just going to, the FDA and

blah, blah, blah. And also, we're thinking that we're just going to give $100 to all the employees that go out that day and get their vaccine and it'll be like a bonus. I'm like, oh, so we're going to coerce people with money. That's what it was. It was insane. Anyways, I digress. But really, to get to your question, it was just shocking. Well, so then.

Shocking. Like, we're all living our different lives, right? And in your background, it's different than where I sit. I sit and I try I've stood on a lot of different questions When I sit in here You just say everything did I'm like you must have come away from that and sat I assume you've stued on that for a while where you're like

How can brilliant people just all sudden like forget everything they've learned And we expect people to pick up a document and go Oh, this makes sense when we haven't it is in her background right And yet some farmer can grab it and be like, oh, yeah, you just, like there's been these lovely human beings. Lovely. Who can just pick up documents and read through it. And some people are just wired that way. And in a different life, they would have been, I don't know, some PhD somewhere and would have been in that field.

But they're not. They're just like everyday people. But like, you're talking about experts in their field. Yep. For getting everything they've learned. The ability to be psychological. manipulated is insane that was the big takeaway for me yeah but we're watching it right now with it's tariffs with when the when the Trump would to get

Carney in psychological manipulation the client I mean it started with climate hysteria psychological manipulation there's all these different ticks and we know we because people have started saying actually this is military this is how we this is the thing we can use social media the media the mainstream media to manipulate people using various tactics so these people so at the end of the day it doesn't matter what your degree is it doesn't matter PhDs I have it it what it what it showed me is that the indoctrination of people and the psychological tactics to like make them fear something so much that they completely forget

reality like can I give you a good example and I've been in a lot of like discussion groups with other outspoken like MDs PhDs research science Twitter groups spaces blah blah blah and I I don't I didn't come up with this on my own and I forget he was anonymous so I forget what his name was but he's an immunologist from New York and he was in this group in a Twitter space and he said can we just all just take a second and talk about the basic immunological truth that we know as scientists, when you inject an antigen into the arm, you're invoking the production of antibodies by B cells, IGGs, okay, immunoglobulin Gs, most of them.

I know there's all these different classes, but those are the immunolog, those are the antibodies that are produced when you give somebody an injection in their arm, which, so, and the, And then, okay, so you got injected, and then in clinical trial, then they pull the blood of the rats or the humans to look at the antibody tighter, how much of that antibody is being produced in response to the foreign object just injected into your arm. And the amount of antibody they use as a proxy for immunity. So they look at one evaluation, one diagnostic, one thing as a proxy for a very very, very complex immunological response that is using antibodies like 10% important 10% of

that response is due to antibodies they don't look at cellular immunity which is by the way more important especially in the case of COVID and the flu cellular immunos immunity the natural killer cells the cells that go around and eat things that look for virus level like that they don't measure that they don't measure are mucosal immunity, which is the antibodies that are produced in your mucosal membranes, your nasal passages, your respiratory tract, your urogenin tract, your gut, those are IGM antibodies. Those antibodies are not produced in response to an intramuscular injection. So as everybody right now that's listening, including yourself, is trying to like figure out

what the heck I just said, basically, when you give some, you give some, you know, that's listening, somebody in injection in their arm for a respiratory virus that is being met by your mucosal immune system, like scientifically that's invalid. Like you're not, your immune system in your lungs doesn't is, it's a different, it's a different type of immunity. I want to make sure, like what you're saying is by injecting it, you're triggering a response, but the response has no effect on the problem. Right?

So you take, yes, that's what I'm saying. Mucosal immunity in your lungs and in your, all those things to COVID the flu, how do you're giving somebody an injection and measuring their response as a proxy to their immunity. They're not looking at the production of IGM antibodies, which would be actually the things that are going to be neutralizing the virus in your nasal passages.

So everybody is just this hysteria for injection. This is a problem. So you go back to this call with this New York man. And I'm thinking, oh my God. Like, that's like first year shit. Like this is not like, oh, you need 25 different postdocs to get to that information. No, no, no. This is at the beginning.

Yeah, but we right now are like on a societal level. I thought we were past us. But then all the stuff with the WMBA. And I'm like, a women's league can't just come out and say it's a league for women. That's a problem. we so you're talking about something that is for your specific area it's like this is first year first day you open the book you read it there's boys and there are girls 100% full stop perfect technology but like on a societal level we can't get to there's boys and

there's girls so it's like what the frick hope do we got yeah yeah yeah yeah kind of thing yeah right i don't know so i guess what i was getting at is like that real basic biology was just gender. Same thing. Is this being ignored and being rewritten and we're being manipulated into even, not even looking at that. So like to my advisors and to my people that I'm working for and we're having this conversation,

and they don't even like talk about that because the gold standard in vaccinology and research is, is antibody tiders. That's the only thing we care about, blah, blah, blah, blah, and therefore they must be immune because they have this much blah, blah, blah, blah. And I'm not saying that they're useless because like vaccine you know certain Anyways I don't want to get into the vaccine role because that's a

But that's a completely different conversation but But the whole reason I ask question is like A politician And once again I'm acting like I was a politician I'm not But from what I can see is they're constantly polling You know like peer polia to me and once again I'm hard on the guy because you're going to be the leader of the fiscal opposition. You don't need to be a rocket scientist to see that there was this huge group of people

that are not okay with the status quo. They're not okay with the stupidity going on. So you don't need a poll to just look at the problems of Canada and just go, oh, we should probably just do common sense things. And there's a whole bunch of those things. But instead, we run by like... Oh, so careful. I don't want to say that.

Careful. Yeah. So when you go, when I think of like, wow. Yep. People, I don't know, maybe I'll frame it a different way for you. Sure. People are like, we just, it needs to get a little worse for more people to wake up, right? We're on this, like, just timeline.

Two decades and then we'll be, we'll have enough people to look up. I don't believe that. I just look at some. some countries that went through like hundreds of years or you know like take your timeline of how long they went into tyranny and like poverty and everything and I'm like they didn't have a massive revolt like that doesn't to me that's not the way this works and they didn't have the control mechanism well they had a different control mechanism for sure but like social media is like uber powerful and they didn't have uh replacement migration either

they might have had different things like that I don't think any of these are new I don't think any of these are new I don't think he's anything new under the sun it comes in new forms but I don't know I don't think that's no I think that's an age old tactic okay we just haven't seen it well I mean because until you're living it you're like what does that even mean I don't know what that means yeah come on in right like we're friends everybody's friends so you sit here and you go oh like we

have time. I don't worry about it. I told you lots about like, you know, I'm believing God. Believe of Jesus. I'm not, I'm not stressed about this. But I do stew on it because I'm like, you know, we could, we could just do, we could just unite, kick out some of the awful ideas and we'd actually, it'd be like really good for our kids. It would. I got kids. Yeah. I want them to have a good life and not have to stress about the things I'm stressing about. Yeah. But like on the same time, And struggle. It's the struggle, right? And also, and also, like, not even, not even be able to live in peace. Like, we're, we're missing. We're missing the plot. Constant battle to, like, just get ahead and live your life in peace in a way that is prosperous. It shouldn't be this hard. We're just up against. I'm just terrible idea after terrible after idea that are applauded by what seems to be the masses, which is,

difficult to watch. But in fairness, like, I came through COVID was a part of, like, a whole network of people. And I just assumed that network of people would be like the glue that... And I didn't realize how... R agile? Yeah, and how you can just stick little things in

and blow it up and then they get infighting and you're like, oh, the human ego and... Yeah. And emotion, like, emotion. Anytime I get, like, super upset. I'm not perfect at it, but I start to check myself like, oh, why did that got me? Yep. I better check that first.

Like, why am I upset about this? I mean, the human emotions are like easy to manipulate. That's what we're talking about, right? Social media does it extremely well. Yeah, and they're working on our kids. Wow. Not our kids. Well, like, the kids.

Yeah, like I watch people. I've had lots of different discussions with parents, friends. friends. Like, I have my kids, I already know the hell I'm dying on here in the next couple years. My kids are going to want a phone. All their friends are going to have phones. I'm like, you're not getting the phone. And someday when I'm worried about their safety, it'll be a flip phone. I'll be like, here you go. You want the phone? Here it is. You text me, you call me, get in trouble. And they'll be upset about that. And I don't care. I know too much. You can't undo what I know about social media and what the things they're trying to program in the,

I'm not doing it. You just ain't doing that. No, with the same way. But that's the same way. happening like on a societal level yeah the nine-year-olds have phones and they're around us they're just it's I mean it's sad because those parents are putting their kids unknowingly but they should know better in harm's way that's how I feel like it's a it's a scary place for a parent for a mom of two kids of two girls maybe you can talk to this but like because like I assume the everyday person when they hear yeah you know it's a scary world on a phone. Go like, well, we can put controls in, right,

to make sure they don't go on porn sites or something really, you know, like all the different weird stuff. But like from a health standpoint, staring at a screen, I can watch how it affects my children. Turns the prefrontal cortex off. It reorganizes their brain to react differently to human motion and human contact. So basically they're just generating, a generation of zombies who don't know how to interact, don't know how to talk to people,

can't deal with confrontation. Everything is like, oh, like they're just being withdrawn. There's no, when you look at your phone and your, and your main thing is getting likes or being liked or being, you know, doing this and you can just go like and move on and then flip, flip, flip, flip, flip. It's just, it's not the way that kids' brains are supposed to, are supposed to develop. And those people, little kids are then taking it, going through the levels, right? then you get to adolescence and then you have all that other shit that's on top of it and they're just a bunch of zombies. How many kids do you know right now that are 15 are actively looking for like hard work? I mean on the prairies probably a lot more but if you go to the city and ask

those questions you can't it's it's so obvious it's plain as day it's a different way of being a human and it's being engineered by social media and electronic devices. So like government talking about mandatory age to be on blah, blah, blah. Do you actually agree with that then? Do I agree with putting a mandatory age? I don't agree with any government interference in that realm. That is a slippery slope to digital ID, and anybody who argues is just not seeing the fucking plot.

That's what's going on. And it's under the guise of the kids. It was the same thing with, well, we don't want to leave one kid behind, so let's just put everybody's welcome. It's about the kids. Bullshit. It's about them controlling the parents. in the end. Wow. About everybody actually. About um yeah.

Conditioning like yeah it's funny I was curious yeah I'm like the government has no place in my home that's up to me to decide if you're a shitty parent and you want to put your kid on social like fine but that's not up to the man to tell you know I'm I'm I've come to a relatively firm conclusion that the the solutions to our problems are take a long time and it's it's like starts in the house right it starts with you like for me it started with me you got to you know Jordan pearsen got to clean up your room yep you got to start doing better and then like you know as a parent it's like yeah you got to you got to pick some battles it's not going to be fun no but like that's not up to the

government that to do no no no no but you don't you shouldn't want the guise government to step in and do that and out on the prairies that's still a live debate it doesn't mean it's perfect really yeah you know you look back at the west or I just assume it like I look back at the west as I go and like I've seen some different like people on talking about independence I've seen some and I'm like man it looks like such a mess over there but I'm like I love the mess the mess is least you're having conversations conversations and it's like you know discussion and it's but like I've had lots of conversations on social media with parents or phones with parents.

And the one I got, the last one I got was, well, Sean, we're not going to put our kids back in the 90s. Like they got to live in today's world. I'm like, no, that's 100%. I'm not saying they should like fear technology. Just understand what you're giving them at a young age and the detriment it can be on their life. To put blinders on like that, they have no con. It's very similar to a lot of things that people say. well, we're past that.

Oh, well, we're, you know, don't be so stuck in the, you know, be more liberal, right? Be low. We have to progress as a society. So we have to have phones. We have to have iPads and all the kids need to. And this is the way. So technology is part of it. You know, so what, you want to take your seven-year-old and, like, give her access,

unfettered access to the internet. And, like, you're going to do that. You're going to pretend that looking at a screen and blue light is not bad for constant, like, over-stimulation and wondering why kids have a hard time sitting through, anything or a conversation or they can't even like talk to you because they don't know how to converse or have a confrontation have that conversation everybody's just like let's not we can't have a confrontation we can't be mad at each other it's like the microcosm of COVID so it's you see that in all different walks of life nobody can have a heated conversation without then being

like triggered or calling you a bigot or you know some other profanity that you are at honiman attacks because they can't just have a conversation and say, this is my idea. And now you're going to tell me your idea, and we're going to hash it out like adults. That is being lost because the youth are lacking those skills. They're not being taught those skills. In fairness, I don't think I was taught those skills. I was taught those skills. Were you taught those skills? Oh my God, I was good debater. We had debate class. We were actively encouraged in high school. Yeah. To just argue with each other. Am I allowed to ask your age? Are we allowed to date Sure, sure, sure.

What age are you? I'm an 82 baby. An 82, so you're four years ahead of me. Yeah. You look like four years younger than me, so I mean, she's got that going for yourself. Like, I remember debating in law class in high school. So like, I mean, it was a little bit there, but it wasn't like, you know, as a generation, I don't think it was like, hey, we're, we're going to, you know, as a generation, I don't think it was like, hey, we're. going to do debate class. I don't remember that. And it wasn't even just a debate class,

although we had that. It was like whenever you can. And I think there was like a lot of influence from my dad asking, like to always ask questions. And then I had some really good teachers. I have really good teachers that were like always ask questions. Don't ever stop asking questions. And then I went to grad school. Don't ever stop asking questions. I was like really good at asking questions. And then 2020, no more questions. No more questions. You're done. And it was great. It's crazy is that's BC, right? You went through BC? That's right.

Small little town, Pemberton, BC. I had a grad class of 26. Our school was 300 and something. Keep asking questions. Isn't that funny coming from a BC? Like when you look back at BC right now, and you're like, what is going on? I am mourning my province.

I did 15 years on Vancouver Island, and we have friends that live in NIMO, friends that live in Victoria, and it's just unrecognizable what's happening. I don't know. I'm so sad about it because it's a beautiful place and there's a lot of memories. No, it's like it's one of the most gorgeous places under the sun. 100%.

Like to me, I take what you have sitting here. Like once again, people can't see it. But like, you know, if it wasn't so miserable out, you look out your window and you have the ocean just sitting there. I take this over the mountains. Would you? Oh, yeah. 110%. I don't know why.

I don't know my fascination with the ocean. Yeah. It's quite terrifying. fine to a grass you know that come from the yeah yeah sea of grass yeah yeah but it intrigues me immensely yeah and the mountains just they're just big hills I don't know like I'm like that I'm not a big skier I guess either where I like being out on the water I was I was a big skier anyways BC was but like if you need any any any any motivation you just look at BC and you go like well we could we could be that or we could be something more resembling Alberta Saskatchewan

right? Winning. You guys are winning. In a lot of ways. You're winning in a lot of ways. Trying. I know. It's...

Like there's a lot of lovely people back in Alberta that are having the conversations that are pushing as hard as they can to try and change things. Because like the alternative is, you know... Communism. It feels like it. No, no. It is. People, people, people, like the everyday folk that are just less, if they'd like, they'd like, I don't know if they're listening.

If they were listening... They may, but they're not anymore. If they were listening, they're like, whoa, I remember having an argument with Grok over Canada and how close you were to communism. And then it broke out while communists, in order to do that, you have to do this.

And then it was talking about socialism. And it was talking about how Canada isn't socialist. And I was like, Grock, listen, like all these reasons. And then it came spitting back at me. And I kept finding incongruencies in its argument. And I kept like, and me and Grock had it out. And I'm like, if I,

If AI, which is supposed to be so brilliant, can't figure out what's going on in Canada, how do I expect the everyday person be like, oh yeah, yeah, yeah. That's bad. You look out and it's sunny. Well, it is sunny. It's a beautiful day. Not here, but. Somewhere.

Somewhere. The sky is blue. Yeah. Yeah, it's unfortunate because there is definitely like a disconnect between reality and what actually is happening. But I think that what you've said a couple times is that it has to get really bad for people. I don't like be like but I don't I don't want that nobody does Sean it was Colonel Redmond Redmond right bread lines yeah I'm like what yeah we don't want that but it's gonna be come on like think of how awful that is huh uh-huh uh-huh and that's where I'm gonna get change

I mean it's a $2 60 to 260 for a a leader of diesel $2 and 4 cents here for a leader of gas In an industry that we are farmers, we are fishers, those are all diesel. Well, just to talk about transport. That's another thing. But industry, what keeps PEI alive is the farming and the fishing communities. And it's going to be. Well, wasn't it interesting to hear the old boys talk about how they didn't even use to put diesel in their factors of business? And I'm like, what?

Yeah. And then they're like, well, it was like 25 cents a liter. You know, like it was nothing on the cost of doing business. You're like, wow. Because now on, like my brother's run a trucking company. I mean, listen to Pat and that group of captains right now. It plays a role whether you go. Correct.

If you don't think you can catch enough to pay for your fuel, then there's no. So where does that go? And we don't even have the rest of the bullshit tax that's coming, right? Well, the tax. Like there's more coming, right? Yeah. Well, it does, you know, like.

the carbon one. So, so it's just like when you think about trajectories and the cost of that, not even not even talking about the cost of living, but cost of being able to do the business to feed the people and keep this community in this province like the heartbeat going, it's, you know, something's got to give. It's not sustainable at all. Do you, you have conversations and watch people and talk and you have like, you know, you're out in society, you got a young family, you get any hope of like, well, maybe some things are changing?

We look at Alberta and we're like, that's pretty exciting. And then we look at the U.S. because whether or not the elbow is up crowd and then the people who even aren't liberals but think that Donald Trump is an evil man that are conservative and they can't see the writing on the wall, it doesn't matter what you believe. There's change happening in the U.S. Oh, yeah. And we are incontrovertibly part of that change because we have the biggest border with them. So whatever is happening down there will affect us.

And I see change for good. So that's like, okay, all right. You know what? When there was 50, you know what, I'll tell you something. And people will make, oh, she's a traitor. I used to believe for this kind of, my grandfather went, like, listen, I'm about as patriotic as it, as it, I used to be, as about as patriotic as you can get. but when the 51st state conversation was coming around like you got a flag we'll put it on the lawn when they like I don't care because Canada isn't a country as far as I'm concerned right now I don't

believe that we have been stripped of our identity we have been turned into a hodgepodge of crap you know really starting to come to the surface under Trudeau one and then two and now with this guy. We're not, like, I don't, I don't have the same feelings that I used to. What I'm concerned about is longevity of life, health for my kids, making sure that they grow up in a world where they can thrive. And if that's, the border is irrelevant at this point. Because I've been shown that flying the Canada flag is only convenient at certain times. It's not convenient during the convoy. Then you're a traitor and a, and a racist. You're literally reading my mind.

But it's convenient now because, oh, elbows up. So, like, you can't play that game. And you can't have your cake and eat it too on that. You're either pro-candidator or you're not. So I don't see that as a thing that we can justify at this point. Or, like, reconcile. Show me that there's something, you know, like, what's going to happen to him and the government? I have no idea.

But right now, and I think there's lots of pockets of people who are like, okay, we've got to just take this on ourselves. And talking to Matt Arrett at the cornerstone. forum, listening to him speak about all that other garbage, London infiltration and all that stuff. I'm just like, first of all, I told him and you weren't in the room, but one of my questions and comments to him was, well, you know, as a homeschooling mom, this is the history books that you write. These are my history books now. I'm not, because that's actual truth, even though it's inconvenient for people to know, but like there's a lot of information that we don't know. When you're sitting there being bombarded with actually what happened to Canada,

it's like, oh my God. Why don't they, teach us so that's the thing but you know I don't know the history the history that we've been shielded from is pretty illuminating if you don't have to your listeners check out Matt Eric the guys of beauty well we just came from Matt Earts right um not that long ago and then we had like a conference I'm sure people are ready to tune in and hear about and then we went every which direction except for into most of his work so you know like It's funny about the conversation from the road. But you're, yeah, the amount of times I've talked to him and realized how much integration

we had once upon a time with Russia, it's kind of like wild, you know, like to a simple thing like Alaska once upon times over Russia. I'm like, what? Or, you know, coming through Manitoba and realizing that Russia used to ship grain into Churchill. Wow. I was like, what? There are comrades, are they? You know, or you go into like the Russian Navy.

coming over and supporting the United States and independent. And you're like, huh. Those are things that don't get talked about. And that's by design. Yeah. Right? And so you keep fast forwarding. And you know, you go like the Canada thing.

It's like really, I think the people who hear that, I don't think my audience, but like the people who hear that and get upset like your trader and all those things, they don't stop to listen to the other. part was like actually the hardest thing it was is a ton of us were flying the flag upside down on the way to Ottawa there was the F. Trudeau flags everywhere and somewhere along the lines changed. It changed for me where I was like actually I'm actually really proud of our country and the flag started to go up the other way and the F. Trudeau started to come down and it was just like this is beautiful you know I got the Florida Lee on our carrying case because I saw the Quebec's

flags come out and all these. And it was just like this almost like healing. I'm like, oh my goodness, this is amazing. But then it was like, well, actually, if you're flying the Canadian flag, your white supremacist, like it's become a hate symbol. Like, what? What? It's insane. No, it's insane.

And so then, you know, like, okay, I don't even know what to do with that. And now the Canadian flag has been commandeered all over again, but the same people who said it was a hate symbol. And you're like, I can't jump through all these hoops. Like, I'm just, I'm going to take the hoops. I'm going to do your thing. I'm going to do mine. I'm not interested in this anymore. Like, you're a little game there.

It's manipulation of the masses. Yeah, which is huge. Which is wild. Yeah. Yeah. Make your patriot again, again, so that you can support the guy who's literally trying to, and achieving and imploding our country.

and import from London. A guy who claims to hate America, America doesn't have it. His entire family is in the U.S. All his kids go to school in the U.S. He has millions of dollars of assets in the U.S., but the U.S. is bad. Yeah, let's listen to him, for sure. Yeah.

Yeah. But anyways, there is a lot of, like, I think that one of the beautiful things that is kind of out of this, Sean, Well, number one is like meeting people. Like, they're the network of majority of people are like us, right? Like, I do not believe that we're the fringe minority at all. No.

A vast majority of people are like. Starting to slowly come to terms. Yeah. This is, yeah. They're waiting. When I watched Jordan Peterson way back, like 2018, he verbalized things that snapped things in my brain. It just made sense. I was like, oh, my God.

Why couldn't I put that together? And I think a ton of Canadians at our point right now, where they're waiting for a leader to step forward and make sense of a lot of things. Just put it in such an easy, simple way that it's just like... Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Your thoughts on that? Yeah, for sure. But it's not going to be...

And they're doing that... I agree. There has to be a leader or multiple ones that are on the same page because there's too many different jurisdiction in Canada, I think to be one. It has to be multiple. But they're looking at the Conservative Party as their savior. That part blows my mind. It's two sides of the same coin.

We've only ever been given this opportunity to pick blue or red. And it's a fight. Blue or red, blue or red. If blue was true opposition, where are their stance on radicalizing, like radical gender treatment on children? Where is that? Because they voted for that. Bill, is it BLC4?

They voted for that. It was unanimous. And these guys are, oh yeah, no, we care. We're the common sense crowd. You guys made it illegal for a psychologist to do anything other than gender affirm. That's not an opposition. That is supporting this insanity. You know, like, where are they on?

We need a pipeline to the east. We need to support resource development in Canada. I mean, other than Daniel Smith being like we need to, like she's something, you know, she's local. But the federal party, there's crickets. We have no independence in Canada for resources. But there's no opposition. So we don't actually have opposition. It's the same color, the purple.

They might as well just all be purple, except for that's Maxine Bernet. So let's not be purple. But, but do you know what I'm saying? Like it's just. So it's not going to be Pierre Pahlia. This is my thing. I don't think that he's the savior. He's talking, he's great, but he doesn't have any independent thought.

He's not the guy who's going to, like, champion what it means to be a Canadian because he still has to pander to the people that his advisors are saying they still have a point. So you still have to be nice to the elbows up crowd because they need to vote you in. So you've got to give them something. And then you got to give, like, you know, the bigot something over here, which is, yeah, common sense. guns are great. Like, talk about something that matters, man. Like, how about we don't do that to our kids anymore?

Or maybe pedophilia should be met with a strong, strong, like in Florida, you know what? You touch a kid? Right now in Canada, you get to go out, come back in the society, terrorize some other people, in and out and in and out. That doesn't speak to me like someone who really cares about the youth of our country when it's such a problem.

The list goes on. So, I mean, I think it, we're looking for leadership that we don't have. There's no one stepping up to the plate who is true and genuine and, like, speaks to the values. Like, it's really, you know, it sucks for a lot of people to think, you know, maybe, maybe we should talk about how we don't have an identity as a culture anymore, as a Canadian. What does that even mean? Multiculturalism? That's not Canadian. That's what we were told and, like, indoctrinated to believe.

But that's not true, right? We don't have to let every single refugee into the country. to be Canadian. We can let people in in a smart way that doesn't overcome all of our social services to the point where our senior citizens

are getting less money to live here than an immigrant. I have a poor health care system than someone who landed here last month. That's a hard pill to swallow, and there's nobody in our government

who's saying anything about that. they're just enabling it. So, you know, I have a big problem with that. And like, it goes to the safety on the roads. I don't know if you knew this. Well, we talked about it. Like, and there was humble, whatever happened in humble, I'm going to talk about it.

I don't even care. We were almost killed by an immigrant truck driver a month ago. It was unbelievable. A guy who, isn't it, he's, He's a landed immigrant out of Ontario, out of Ontario company, where they've done investigative reports and they get licenses for money. They're not great drivers. They don't know how to drive in the snow.

They don't know how to drive on Canadian roads safely. They're not given the skills. I'm not saying they couldn't get the skills, but they're given a license because they need the work. Okay? truck driver pulled a U-E in front of my truck and horse trailer with loaded with horses and my two children in front of me on the Trans-Canada Highway coming into Charlotte to come coming off the bridge he pulled a U-E from my lane in front of us to get onto a bypass that he missed earlier

and he was trying to make it work he ended up almost flipping his rig thankfully something was telling me to slow down coming around that corner. It's interesting, Sean. I was having a conversation with the guy I was picking up my horse. My horse was over in New Brunswick to be bred. And I was speaking to the breeder. And we were talking about all these crazy things because there was an accident earlier on with another semi

in New Brunswick. We had to be diverted. Anyways, we were talking. I was like, yeah. I feel different on the roads. I'm like, my head's on a swivel. I'm always looking at every single truck driver. Whether or not I don't care.

Call me a racist. Don't care. because truck drivers used to be the safest. You never even batted an eye. They were the safest professional drivers, you know, and professional drivers now will tell you that. The laxity in the licensing is a problem. So I was talking to the breeder and I was like, yeah,

something just doesn't feel right, you know, like I'm just feeling a little bit more defensive than I normally am. And because of that conversation, I just felt weird coming home, over the bridge and just looking everybody, I've got my kids, my most precious assets are behind me in the backseat. And we're coming around the corner at the Albany Cross. So you can either choose to go to Somerside and then there's an off ramp or you go straight through to Charlottetown.

Now when you go straight through the Charlottetown coming the other way, the off ramp to Somerside is around the corner. This guy missed the Somerside off ramp, slowed down and then decided to take a U-E with a tractor trailer in front of us to get to SummerSS. So my point is that I was sort of like feeling slower than usual, like just off the gas, just coming around the corner and like just taking my time. And that enabled us to miss that impact in addition to like, okay, we're going to go this way and you don't want to slam the brakes on because you don't want to throw your horse again, you know, there's so much going on, engine brakes going on, blah, blah, blah, we get off to the side of the road safely.

And I'm sitting there and I'm telling, I'm trying to calm my children down, who's screaming because we almost got in a really bad accident. And I said, I'll be right back. You guys stay in the truck. And I opened the truck door. And I was on a warpath, Sean. Like, I might have blacked out. I was like, open the door.

We were off the side of the road. And there was nobody else that witnessed this, by the way. For some reason, nobody else was around. Because if there was somebody coming from that direction, on the TransCanada, going to the bridge, huge accident. Someone behind me, we would have been rear-ended. There was nobody. It was distusses.

only witness me and my children pulled over shut the door walk backwards he had flipped his truck was like on the edge and he was out put a safety vest on he was just kind of like looking around and I just started losing my mind I was standing on the yellow line of the highway like what you know it was crazy screaming at him because he almost killed us oh calm down ma'am, calm down, calm down, calm down. Don't you fucking call me, ma'am, don't you fucking tell me to calm down? Because you just about killed us. And I was like vibrating.

And people were driving around me from both directions just like, ooh, what's wrong with her? You know, but there's a lot of people just shaking their head. Because this isn't an isolated incident. This happens all the time across our country. So getting back to the story, really nice gentleman, Josh Patterson, little angel for me that day talked me off the ledge pulled over are you okay like can I help you

do you want to hug because I was like I'm gonna kill him I'm so gonna kill him because like Mother Bear you don't do that and he didn't give a shit there was not a single he wasn't like I'm so sorry I'm so he never said that actually he just told me to calm down

you listen you just fucked with the wrong girl you did because guess what I'm calling the cops and I'm going to make it my life's work to make sure that you don't try and do that to someone else because that has killed grandmas on the 401. That has killed children across this country in multiple ways and it almost killed mine. So Chaw's just like, give me a hug. I'm like, oh my God, yes, thank you.

And then he's like, I said, call the cops. So we waited and we called the cops. And he was on the road directing traffic because this guy was in the middle. There was nobody. So he was directing traffic. The cops came, took his statement, came and took mine. I said, she said, what happened? I said, well, he pulled the you in front of me.

She said, he tells me he was coming from the other direction. I said, no, ma'am. That is not what happened. He pulled a you in front of me, and it's actually impossible for him to be coming from, like, just the way the truck was. That doesn't even make sense. So we went away from that not accident, and I posted on Facebook, and it went viral. I hear people talking about airports. Did you hear that?

But again, this is people being like, people being like, this is a problem. And when are we going to address it? And actually, interestingly enough, Quebec has started addressing it by making licensing for temporary foreign workers or for landed immigrants more challenging. You have to pass more tests. That makes sense.

They do that with doctors. They do that with nurses. You can't even practice law in Canada. You're going to rewrite the bar go back to school, whatever, but not for driving transport trucks on our roads across the country. So Quebec is starting to do that. starting to do that and the police officer I was working I am working with is very

keen on doing that because we've had a lot number of different accidents with transport trucks fast forward I get a call I was visiting my sister in Thunderbay I get a call from the police just like so he's disputing the ticket and I'm gonna charge him with obstruction of justice because he lied to me multiple times and we're wondering if you'll be a key witness and I'm like you're in my books what day like this can't go and everybody needs to talk about this and it doesn't make you a racist to talk about this. It could be from any country. It doesn't matter. We have to feel safe on our roads.

And I don't feel safe on our roads anymore. It's, Pat first brought up to me because I'm like, we've driven across a huge chunk of Canada. And I'm beginning to start to think, thankfully, we just haven't run into anything. Oh, there's just been a lot of bonehead drivers. But I'm just like, we haven't had anything like that. But it's funny every day, even in my hometown, I get videos sent to me of like, bizarre stuff happening. And it's, it's the thing is I'm not, I keep telling Canadians this across Canada. Like, I'm not a racist. I'm like, you got to stop at that. Of course you're not racist to just be like, something is wrong.

Like, are we going to fix this? I remember losing my mind in the middle of COVID. It's just like, what are we doing? Can we like are we we we we're going insane or I'm going insane one of the two things is happening here and like something needs to change otherwise I'm literally going insane and when you talk about like the driver's thing It's like everybody can see it Like there's something definitely off We know there's something off But you have to be willing to go into the fire to talk about it because you know that media is gonna like I keep telling people this

Media is not gonna be your friend like that Check Like that okay track. Yeah, I'm still waiting for my call from the compass for that by the way. Nobody. Nobody talked to me about it. They're all going to pile on you and like that you're this, this and this. But the majority of people are going to be like, thank God somebody's talking about it. Because we're seeing it. We're seeing you know like across Canada. You're seeing crime, homelessness, the drivers, probably a series of other things I'm not talking about or haven't brought up. But you're seeing it.

everybody sees it, you know, like I haven't, I haven't ran into a liberal or an NDP voter that doesn't think along similar lines of what you're talking about. Like, I think it's just aren't as safe as it used to be. That, that isn't a party line. That's like across the, that's a reality. That's a reality. And it's not just, a little day more dangerous than it was a year ago and certainly more than 10 years ago and certainly than 20 years ago. And people know it. It's a different world. And it's not just on the roads. It's in playgrounds. It's at schools. Like, As a parent with young kids, I can't, like, back when we were younger, just go have fun. I'll see you at dinner.

Like, that's not happening anymore because your kids are on the menu, figuratively. This was, this was, we, you started to talk like this one night and then the kids around, I'm like, ah. And then we just, okay, we'll put a pin, you are down the road of like Canadian playgrounds, everything. Like, you got to be careful. 100%. You have to be careful. There have been multiple abduction of tents in the maritime's in the last, I mean, they keep on coming up. There was one, there was a couple in Charlottetown recently where there was one in Montague, where a kid was playing at a playground, Montague, I don't know what the population of Montague is.

Not a lot. It's a tiny little town. We're a tiny little town, right? Everybody knows everybody, fishing community, playing at the playground after school hours. Some dude tries to take this eight-year-old where she ran away. That's not an isolated event. That happens all the time. So that's abduction attempts. And then you have the brazen, I don't know all casing of kids. And I've seen this because it's happened to us.

And it's happened to people that I know my sister's friends in Thunder Bay. It's happening across the country where your children at playgrounds are being like documented by people. I've seen some things on social media. I couldn't tell if they're real. Well, probably could tell that they're more real than not. But, you know, like social media is becoming a... It's hard to know what's real, right? And it's hard to know if it's in Canada, if it's not in Canada, right?

You know what? They do that on purpose, Sean. Just as a side note. I believe that they use AI with videos, so you never know what's real. So you don't believe what is real. That's what's happening. Because this is a pervate... This is a thing.

Oh, well, I don't know if it was AI. Because like there is convincing AI and then you're second-guessing everything you see. So they use that as a way to just obliterate the truth. They're trying to make social media not useful for getting the truth out. That's my, sorry, but go on. No, no, yeah, yeah. No, no, you can finish your thought on like you're saying, like, in your own time as a mother, you witnessed it. Yeah, I was at a, we were at a competition in Moncton, a dance competition in Moncton.

my eight and six year old and their eight and six year old friends were at we were the last day there went to a park beautiful day you know it was maybe a lower income we were staying at an air b and a lower income neighborhood maybe wasn't like posh or whatever so there was a variety of kids families whatever in the summertime and my kids are out there playing and then i noticed this guy who is like mid-30s maybe late 20s to mid-30s-ish walking around the playground so the playground was an entire block and then there was a path to go from one street across kitty corner to the other sure so he would he was walking the triangle he was and just wouldn't stop like we were there for a good chunk of change you know playing whatever and he

just wouldn't stop and I noticed this at the beginning because he had his phone out you know when you're like FaceTiming somebody sure you're looking like this but his phone was he was doing that and walking and it just I just didn't like it I didn't like how it made me feel I didn't like how it when he was FaceTiming he was doing this it wasn't like he was only looking you know what I mean like the kids were on the playground and he was doing this there's no doubt in my mind he was videotaping them or showing somebody these children and it was my kids and my kids and my kids and my

friends kids um there was another group of kids that were of the same nationality of this man and he never put his phone over there it was only at the five or six white kids on the playground new kids whatever and I was like watching him the whole time and I was up I was just watching him and he would like he would always kind of check in where the girls were running around like they were like you know how kids are and he was just always checking in and then checking in, walking around, walking around. And then to the point where I was like, the girls kind of went to the other side

of this massive playground and we're like, I'm like, okay, I'm here with my mom and my friend and I just got up and left. They followed me, but I wasn't speaking any. I don't have time. I don't have time to speak when I'm like, I'm on the prowl. What is happening here?

So I went over to the other bench and sat down where I was closer to the children. And then he was looking, he was like watching me as we went over there. And then he would come back. And then he started kind of like changing his course because we were away from where it was easy for him to see. And he started changing his course, but he was still doing the same thing.

And then he would sit down for a little bit and was still doing this. But it was facing the kids. And I was just sitting there watching him. And you don't want to be a dick, right? You don't want to, like, despite what people think, I'm actually quite polite. You don't want to be an asshole to somebody. Like, maybe he is truly having a phone call. I don't know.

But when you feel that, you got to follow it. something telling you something's off. Yeah, we don't, um. You never second guess that. Women are fantastic at, uh, discernment. Yeah. Like something's off. Yeah.

Right. It has to be something biological with motherhood, the connection or something. It is like, yeah. Mel's plenty of time and like, yeah, something, you know, and I'm like, oh, doesn't mean I'm poor at it, but because I have my own moments, but women have a innate ability of recognizing something is off. Yeah. So then, and I was telling, now I'm telling the other, my mom and my friend. So this is happening. I'm not sure what I'm going to do about it. And now they're, you know, oh, right out, oh my gosh. And then this grown-ass man decides it was time to play in the monkey

bars right beside the girls. And he starts getting closer and like, then sits, looks at me. He's still, he's off his phone or he's on his phone. I can't remember at this point. No, he's off his phone. But he's starting to come into the playground. That is not, normal behavior for a man like you know like would you be like there's a group of kids I'm gonna go like hang off the monkey bars by them like that's weird well certainly on the trip there's been a random man no there's been lots of dads on the playground but once again this is a the discernment of like you know like our kids have playing with a dad that I had no idea but he was playing with or had no like I just met him like I hadn't even met him and he's on the

But you could just tell, like, he's here with that group of kids, and they're playing a game. My kids want to play with the game. And it seems like a really friendly guy. And then we started joking after and you start talking to him. And like everything's kind of like on the up and up, if you would. You cool. You cool.

You're good. All right. And then he's like, oh, you're the dad of those kids. I'm like, yeah. He's like, ah, you got really nice kids. Oh, thanks. Yeah. And they sit down and there's nothing strength.

Yeah. But like on the road, I was telling you and Pat last night, like, meal is a very outgoing girl, which is great, but also present some really interesting social boundaries and everything. And there was a guy in the Ottawa area that was, oh my, I'm like, nah, you know, like, I don't know. I'm like, in my brain, I'm trying to make out like cultural differences. There was a language barrier. He was French. Yeah. This is no knock on the French. I was just like, well, maybe it's like a French thing. Yeah. longer he stared at her, the more uncomfortable, I'm like, I don't like that. No, I go through my brain.

I'm like, have I ever stared at a nine-year-old girl for that long? Like, where you're just like, you know, you know when like somebody stares into their phone and they like zone in, you're like, oh, something has their attention, social media or whatever. That's the way he stared at. I'm like, that's, that is uncomfortable. That is not normal. Yeah. So obviously, I can just removed because once again you don't want to be an asshole maybe it is maybe he maybe lost you know like maybe lost his daughter and he just see you know like there's a thousand things ago but as a dad I don't care as a dad I'm like we're going to move this along we're going to put you somewhere else I'm going to be the guy that's just standing here and and I don't know I was waiting because in

my mind if it was something like um lost a daughter or has a niece or something and then eventually he would have come over and just been like about it or blah blah yeah because Because he probably, because human beings have the ability to notice demeanor changes. So she leaves and then I just stare at him. Now I'm like, you've made me uncomfortable and I don't like it. And at some point you go, oh, didn't mean it. Didn't mean it. This is why.

And you go, oh. Misunderstanding. Misunderstanding. But when they don't do that, it just to me signifies that there was something strange going on there. So like as a parent, I don't, has it always been there? I've talked to a lot of, you know, I'm talked to a lot of the older generation. And it has always been there. It's just the laws and rules and social media and everything that you can just see that it is,

it doesn't come with consequences. And so they've been emboldened. And so Canada's become the country where that type of thing is emboldened, not punished. So we don't be, so, so this guy comes over. And by the way, the whole thing that you just said about. like, I don't care I'm a dad. A hundred percent. Your feelings are inconsequential to me when you're making me feel this way.

And people, mother's dad doesn't matter. Grandma, it doesn't matter who you are. You need, there needs to be this removal of, I'm sorry. Like, we're just like passive. Like, be passive. You don't want to wreck, bow. You don't want to hurt someone's feelings. You don't want to be called a racist.

So just don't protect yourself. You need to protect yourself and your family. And that was like, that is an undeniable fact. for like everybody. So take it by the balls and just own it. You're making me feel uncomfortable. Why are you staring at my daughter? And why are you as a man with clearly no children

coming to play with my kids? So anyways, I walked over there. And I said to him, and he was like sitting there and I was staring at him. And I didn't say, let me see your phone. But I said, we're going. And I like looked at him like if you, but I've had friends in Thunder Bay, Ontario

who went and got the phone and they were videotaping these children in the park. This happens every day, all the time. How many moms don't say anything? And then how many kids go missing? It doesn't matter. It makes us feel uncomfortable, but that's the state of affairs, man.

That's the state of the union. We need to be like actually no and push back against that. Yeah, well, I go back to the conversation I had this coffee table with Marina, where she said, she likes hanging out with Laura, I'm paraphrasing because she's a wolf.

And I was like, what? And then she's explaining it. I'm like, oh, I think probably in general more of us need to become wolves. Doesn't mean you just go tear every living thing a new a hole. It's like, but when it calls, you don't want to be, you don't want to be around a pack of wolves. They're vicious when they need to be. Right? Yeah.

Don't come into my backyard. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I appreciate you doing this. Yes. And I appreciate you having us at the house and everything because it's been, I don't know, like my kids are a lot. I know that, right?

They're wonderful, but they're like high energy. And of course, then it like rains for like four days straight and you're like, oh man, everything that was going to be outdoors. It was amazing. Your son was like, I, I, Shay was helping me with the horses and was just so eager to help. And it was just, and also like, what an opportunity for your kids. I was thinking yesterday, like, if I could, taking them on the road for a year, those are memory, like, you guys are doing it right. That's awesome.

Well, I hope we are. Well, not that I think it would be doing it wrong to take them on the road for a year. It's just so much out in the world, right? Yeah. Like, let's go explore it. Yeah. And, you know, like to try and get them off social, not social media because they're on social media, but like, you know, like cartoons and like it's just, you're watching. I'm like, yeah.

He's bugged me, go out and like, I see it when it's like, hey, do you want to go feed the horses and shades like up, yeah, I'm like, let's go. Running, absolutely, what do you need? What do you need? I was like, well, first of all, can we hire him or can he just come to live with us? Like, we'll do a work study. Yeah, yeah. Well, I appreciate it because you got a beautiful family. And I was going to finish actually with, you know, like you have all this stuff, right?

Yeah. And you're a wolf. You're the, you're the lady who, you know, doesn't. sit idly by when things are obvious. Something's, something's off. But then I, but that's funny because the,

the sad of you that I've seen the last four days is like a lady who goes to like the highest level and then some for her family and, and like your house and everything. You got this beautiful family and, you know, beautiful area and, you know, we're sitting at your in-laws and like,

it's just like, and your brother's here. And it's like this really tight community. Yeah. Yeah, all the crap going on in the world. Yeah. You've built something here. Yeah.

I assume that's partly due to like COVID and stuff like this, this tight thing or was it there before? Like is this something that's always, because like, you know, we stare at all the negative stuff going on in the world. But like what you have going on here is absolutely almost intoxicating. Like you're like, man, uh, uh, prairie boys like, yeah, I could probably come like. It's pretty cool. We're taking applications. Yeah, no kidding. Well, to speak to that.

So my husband's family has always been really, like it's different out here. Like family is the backbone of everything. So I'd say that that was never, that wasn't new. It was different out where I came from. Like my family is a bit smaller. We're fragmented and, you know, we still love each other very much, but it's different. It's just different. But what has changed during COVID was I'm no longer working 90 hours a week or more.

Well, I am. Wait. Time out. I think you need to put a tea there because I don't think you've slept four hours of nights since we've been here. The amount of canning you've been alone. So I'm not working for someone else. I'm working for my family. Sure.

We have the food sustainability has been a big priority. We always had a garden or whatever, but no, like it's like we need to be able to produce our own. meat, well, we won't be able to afford to eat our meat and the veggies and the canning is all part of it. And then with the apothecary and the natural health side of things. Oh my God, we haven't even talked about the apothecary. Uh, carry on. But I did that because breaking away from working in the pharma space, it became so painfully clear that we have the ability to take care of ourselves in ways that don't require pharmaceutical intervention. And so I was like, okay, what do we need? All right, we have antibiotics. We have, we have plants that

act stronger than penicillins growing in our garden. We have access to that. We have access to things that will prevent the use of antibiotics like ear oils, medicated ear oils that we're using like ancestral ancient wisdom to fortify our health and wellness. Like what do we got to make? I'm making laundry soap now because I actually don't want to live surrounded by like forever chemicals. That's like let's not do that. What else can we do? So it's like building capacity, improving our health, helping our family, like, resist. Because it's not just about, yeah, the government is taxing us to death and food is too expensive and all these things.

But, like, the health of Canadians is average, okay, average. There's really, really healthy Canadians is abysmal. The number of people that come to me that are on prophylactic antidepressants of two or more varieties would shake you. Like it's unbelievable. The use of statins, the use of beta blockers. There's no need. I say, I ask them like, dirty.

Like, why? Well, my cholesterol was high. So you're on, like, all these things, but people want to get off the drugs. They want to be healthy. And I'll have to rely on this and feel sick and fat and, like, reliant on the man. Because obviously they tried to kill us through COVID, right? I say that without a doubt, a doubt. Plasmid SB 40, they, listen, we go back to that, talk to the chemical. It's a thing. There is, there is, that was not for our health.

So nothing about this is for our health. So we're going to make our own food and make our own laundry detergent and do all these things. We don't need the chemical. Well, we don't need the big pharma. That being said, acute care. Like we've had kids with broken bones. We've had people you need to go, you have a hard check of jammer, you need to, right? that's amazing, but you don't then need to subscribe to the lifelong pills forever. So that's been a big piece of it. And if I was still working for my job, I wouldn't have had time to homeschool my children. I wouldn't be seeing my kids.

Like, you don't see your kids every day. Well, so like this has been, I laugh at them, right? Because I've been relatively busy here in PEI, like race around doing interviews and whatever. But I laugh because I'm like, back home. home, they would have saw me for like an hour in the morning before they raced off to school. And then probably I'm big on coaching so that I can be around them for hours and, you know, dressing room and on the ice or on the ball diamond. But like you do the math. It's a pretty short window. And then it's bedtime and they go to sleep and, you know,

so you get like. Rince repeat, right? And so like on the road, I'm like, I get them all day a lot, right? So when I leave for an afternoon, they're like, you're leaving. And they're going to it all sound like yeah he's talking about i've been here all the like we've been all the road i think it's like 65 days now 66 somewhere in there and i'm like like literally all you do you're around me all the time you want more of me all right we get to be around careful what you wish for because i'm here for another 300 plus and then hopefully who knows what the future holds but we're just around the kids all the time yeah so that's but that's but once again i'm like so we talk about all this negative stuff yeah but then i'm like what i've been witnessing over there nothing negative it's

It's not negative. It's been a silver lining. So, like, I can't say that, you know, people are like, oh, my God, do what happened to you is so bad, blah, blah, blah, blah. You're losing your job, blah, blah, blah, blah. I'm like, yeah, it sucked at the beginning because, like, you're tied to your identity. Yes. And that's what I was. Yeah.

And you are under this assumption that you have to make the money and it's the grind and the mom and all the things. I mean, yes, I was equipped with an education that was helpful. But do I wish that I didn't go to school for so long and had more kids? 100%. Yeah. Did I wish that I didn't wait till 36 before because and all that because that's what women, you've got to go, you've got to be a professional woman and you're going to do all these things and that's great.

But you know what? Women need to make the world happen. And that's when you're a mom. That's undeniably true. So I wish that that had started. But anyways, none of this is bad. It's all good. And we're really thriving out here.

Yeah. Well, and I chuckled because you lost your, you know, your, your livelihoods. you're dead and blah, blah, I'm like, but if people saw Laura, like at your place, I'm like, it's not like you sat on your hands and went, oh, poor me. I'm like, you're doing a ton of things. Yeah. Now, before I ask about the path, Gary, I'm going to look at Sheila. I'm going to go, do you want your kitchen table back? Because I'm like, we've been, I'm like, I knew exactly this was going to happen. And I'm glad you said the word, but then I'm like, sitting at your in-laws, and I'm like, at some point, I should probably give back the table.

It's the best light. And there's no kids. And there's no kids. Yes. No, no, no, no, give her, give her. Is that coffee? I know. I'm like, Sheila. Yeah, we do. Okay. No, we just keep, we're going to, it's picking you up, so you keep going.

I'm good, I'm good. We're not editing this out. This is totally going in there. But if you want to go grab coffee, go grab coffee. Do you bring it back? Is this Wayne's coffee? Yeah. Do you think you'd be mad if we had some?

Okay. We're sitting, like, one of the things that people love about the, the road compared to the studio is things happen all the time. Sorry, we took your coffee. That are totally, you can't predict, right? That's all. What's there is that? Sorry. And in the middle of a podcast, getting coffee and then now she needs milk and all the things. Finish it. Okay.

The apothecary. I'm like, oh my goodness. I'm like in my head, I'm going to have to come back and do a second interview. No, you're here. Let's do it. The apothecary. Yeah. People need to know about that. Like, we've talked about a lot of stuff. Yeah. But, like, one of the positive things, there's lots of positive things.

But, like, the apothecary, walk people through this because I didn't know. I didn't know about it, which is, like, insane because I've interviewed you and I know who you, and I'm like. It had just started. So, way through the not getting access to health care, through the COVID shenanigans and me, like, waking up. up to not needing as many drugs maybe as we think we need. It was just a long road and we don't need to go through that. But basically what happened was I started to see that there was another way to be healthy.

Like, I've told you this before, I was an indoctrinated idiot. And it was a big piece of humble pie for me. I was under the impression that Big Pharma was our savior. I worked in the immunological space where they tell you that vaccines are the only reason humans are here, all these things. I was like, vaccine, vaccine, vaccine, vaccine, and this, this, this, working this, because that is your environment. And so as that became painfully evident that that's not the case, I was like, huh,

maybe there's something to be said about looking around the natural world because we were given medicine. We're surrounded by plants, mushrooms in our environment that are here because we need medicine. They were here by divine intervention. We are given the tools that we need to be healthy. And maybe there's something to the natural health world that be, by the way, before I'd be like, you guys are so full of it. It's a placebo. There's nothing to it, blah, blah, blah. So as I started thinking differently. Oh my God. Even though like, sorry, just going back to your,

what did you, indoctrinated stupid phase, even though like in the research of like figuring out how they develop certain drugs, it always leads back to like plants and stuff, right? Yep. It's not like, it's not like they put together

a bunch of chemical compounds. And even if they did, where did they get the chemical compounds? It always has to, it's not like they, magicians, and then we, that didn't factor in. No. market. Because vaccinology is different. Like, yeah, the drugs and everything, the development,

but then it was safer because it wasn't from a plant. It needs to be synthesized. It needs to be made by big pharma. It needs to be put in pills. It needs to be isolated and purified and all these things. And then, you know, the vaccines, like we need help. Our immune system is like sad without vaccines. We can't survive. Our babies need to be vaccinated or they're going to die. Like it was just, that's the way you think when you're like that. And that's the way people have been conditioned to think because that's what their doctors are telling them. And don't even get, don't even get me into having like the whole medicalized industry of childbirth. Like, you need the doctors to live.

You need medicine to live. And if you don't have it, your kid's going to die. You're all going to die a polio. Who knows? Tetanus. I don't know. Right? So as that becomes, I mean, starting to unravel really rapidly.

Like, my learning curve was like really, really, really fast. And because of my husband and because of other people that were, I was around my environment, I was able to like come to grips with it really quickly because they were already there. You know. And so I was like, okay. So my baby has an air infection. Oh, okay. I just put these things together.

Garlic, mullin, St. John's work. And they're everywhere. And then when you open your eyes, there's just medicine everywhere. I can go into the lawn and find you medicine. I can treat medicine. There's medicine everywhere. And nobody knows that knowledge has been lost because they've been programmed to believe that natural health, the natural health world is just a bunch of crock of shit, there's

nothing to it and you need drugs. So I started making really simple home first aid things and I was thinking, well, we're just going to go to a local market and maybe people will like this. It was like a test because I had used this oil on my daughter for an ear infection. started hurt, but this is it, no antibiotics needed. Really, you don't need it. Under severe circumstances, there's always an acceptance of the rule, but I would argue that the use of these things, prophylactically, you don't need it. Okay, wow, she doesn't have an ear infection anymore. And then I had a UTI or something developing like that, and I took some, I'm better.

It's like, whoa! Anyway, so I went to this market to like assess the need, and it was overwhelming. people were like oh my gosh so we need this this is amazing the hell blah blah blah and it just sort of snowballed so it started with that and norris apothecary was born really small scale really small batch like a few things in 2021 and it started to pick up because people were loving it and as people were loving it and i was learning more it was like sean i was in the ditches foraging like i was we were foraging there's mushroom and then the more you knew it's just so excited it's just so excited. because as you learn more what's available to you and how it can help you, what does that do as an individual or a family? It just gives you so much confidence and resilience.

I don't need them. I don't need doctors. You do, but you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. They're a tool on a tool belt. You don't need them. You can, you, for a large thing, you can take care of your family. Sure. And so it started with that and then we, and then, so I've been taking clinical herbalism. So my molecular immunology background really lit really well because I was a scientist, like very science driven, but all this ancestral knowledge that they, that you lose along the way, it was just amazing because the research is there already, it's already been done.

PubMed Health, National Institute of Health, all this research on natural remedies for these things is there. Anybody can go. You go and look at Hawthorne Berry for the, for heart disease. and how to strengthen your heart. Years of research. And it works. And it's healthy.

And it's everywhere. Things like that, right? And then it turned into like, well, what else can I make? Because I don't really want to buy it full of chemicals anymore. So then I got into skincare and now we just make basically everything. And my husband will be like, you have too many products. But people need it. And then we have it.

So if you're listening to this. where do you go? Can you order online? All the things, because obviously there's tons of people listening from the West. And there's lots of great companies doing lots of different things.

There are. There are. But I chuckle because I'm like, not many of them have your background. You know? And like, yeah, I just think of all the guests have had. Like, I'm like, oh, man. The world of possibilities,

regardless, that's a thought for a different day. I go, for the everyday average listener, if they're like, oh, there's a place I could check out that, you know, has some very scientific background. It isn't just, you know, not that anyone I've ever had on. It doesn't have that. It's just different with your background. It just is.

Yeah. So, like, is there a website? Can they just go to it? Can they order things across Canada? Yeah, we were shipping across the U.S. We were shipping North America. Obviously, it's just, oh, my gosh, shipping to the U.S. right now. It's a pain.

Well, not even a pain. It's just not even feasible. But, yeah, we ship across Canada. I have a website. It's the power of plants.ca. Power of plants. The power of plants. Oh, the, the power of plants.

Yeah, and we're on Instagram, Nor East Apothecary. We're on Facebook, Nor East Apothecary, and Nor East. Nor East. Thank you. Can tell, yeah, I can tell if you're like Nor East. All right. Nor East. Can tell if you got a little accent there.

No, it's Nor East. Nor East. Nor East. Yeah. Nor East Apothecary. Yeah. And we, it's been so fulfilling. For the audience, for the audience out west.

If they buy things, are they just, I don't know how to, no, I'll just ask it the way my brain's framing it, or thinking of it, is it cost effective to buy things in the health product realm from you owed in PEI to the West because of shipping and things like that. Or you're like, oh yeah. Shipping is free over $175. Oh. Or it's flat rate $25 across country. So shipping is, shipping logistics have been a big deal. To the audience, I've already got some shampoo and a couple other. things that I'm like I'm like oh my hair's already softer I'm gonna yeah I'm like

if you get a chia pet head you got everybody can laugh okay you know what screw it because I'm I'm like it's been bugging me I'm I'm like hit 40 and so like if I go back to when I was like 20 when I first met Mel I had this like long head of hair and I went and got my hair cut at like great clips in the United States and it was this big black woman. Nothing racist about it. That's just so everybody can visualize it. She's sitting there. She's got this southern accent.

She's clipp on my hair and she's like, oh my God, you need professional help on your hair. And she was talking, there's a terrible accent. But she was talking about like, I just had a little bald spot in the very back. And I was like, so it has been set in my brain for a long time. My wife's always laughed at him. And I was like, you have a great head of hair. I'm like, there's a lie. And then I get, and then.

And then I get twos all the time talking about, oh, you're finally going to notice it. I'm going to screw you twos, right? You work on some things, right? But I hit 40. Yeah. I'm like, all right, this has been stressing me out for a bit. And now every algorithm on my phone is listening to it.

So all I get is you take these three things and you're going to have this. Or you should go to Turkey and do, and I'm like, okay, listen, there has to be, if I can grow hair anywhere on my body, I am a woolly mammoth. people laugh me you know like it's just like like if I could grow it anywhere on my body I can grow back on my head this is not that hard so nor east apothecary and the shoddenaumu podcast are working on some things I'll become your best salesman if it works if it works you're just going to be like I think I think what we need to remember all the time is that most of the products that we use are absolutely chalk full of chemicals like go read the ingredients and I

I'm not the one to say, well, if you can't pronounce it, must be bad for you. That's a pile of shit. And that really, that argument pisses me off because a lot of people... I know, but most of us don't have your background, right? So I go read the ingredients. And I'm like, okay. That probably isn't getting in there. There's a couple in there.

Then I'm like, okay, I know that. And then there's certain people who read it, and then they go do all the research and they're like, this is why you. Those are lovely human beings. But once again, your background, it's like, you can look at the ingranas and it's going, that is not good. Yeah. Yeah. and then verbalize it in a way that most people can understand.

Yep. Yep. So the removal, like, it's like an overall, so here's what we're trying to do, right? Especially now in this climate. We're trying to build resilience. We're trying to, like, just kick ass in every single way. That includes it should and it must include our health first.

Because we're not able to be there for our kids. We're not, we're not, we're not able to build the life that we want and be there when it needs to, like if shit hits the fan, and I've heard people talk, other podcasts to talk about this, you need to be in shape. You need to not, you need to have your shit together. And that's mentally, mentally, and immunologically. And we can't do that when we're not being cognizant about the products and the things that we use in our body. Yeah, so you, you. I, there's probably three that I think, oh, maybe there's even more in that. I got to be careful that I say three.

There's a lot of different avenues in our lives that you have to be physically or, or fit in, right? Financially. Financially. You got, you got to take care of yourself. The old fisherman we're talking about it. Like, how do you survive the downtime? Yeah.

On the good times, you prepare for the bad times. That is the story of, oh man, is it Joshua? somebody is going to quote on me it is who in the colored rope no I'm going to get it right I'm sorry folks you're Joseph thank you Sheila Joseph in the color multicolored robe and in in that story they sell them in a slavery and he goes and interprets dreams for the feral yeah and what he tells the pharaoh is like you're going to have seven great years you're going to have seven bad years so in the good years prepare prepare so like financially that's true Physically, I mean, if you want to be around for your grandkids at 60, 70, 80, whatever it comes,

hopefully it comes for me. You've got to be not only physically fit, but like mentally well, right? And so like, strong. Strong. I always add one in and that's spiritual. Like, I was telling you and Pat and your brother Thomas last night about some of the things around Covoyne after. and like I didn't believe in that world. If you don't believe in that world,

it gets to wreak havoc on you on lots of ways. I believe in that world. And so like that's another way of being fit, spiritually fit. So when you look at a person's life, there are a lot of avenues. Don't get overwhelmed by it. Just start working at it, start picking at it. You know, Chuck Prodick would say lift something heavy every day.

I need to escape your house so I can stop eating like a king because I'm like, it's funny. Mel and I had been running every day. morning and like I'm you know push-ups and sit-ups and body like I was telling her I'm like oh my clothes just start oh man I'm feeling it and then we come here and we eat like lobster and like these amazing steaks and scallops and muscles and it's been unreal folks but I'm like I need to move push on because I'm like I'm like I'm bulking up right now I'm like I just need to I just need to cleanse myself from great food yeah it's a ridiculous thing but sorry yeah on the

whole you have to work on different parts of your life and start putting them in order. Because if you don't, when the next thing comes, and for all of us could be very different, it can ruin havoc on your life. You're preparing now for the down times. Yes. So, and there's many ways that we don't take advantage of our inherent abilities or what's really provided to us. I mean, it's hard when you're in the city. And I think it's easy for me to sit on my, you know, up on my pedestal and be like, looking at all the medicine. Like, we live in God's country. Like it's you go anywhere around here and you're finding what you need. You're finding

food. You're finding clean water. We are, we're very fortunate. However, I think that you make what you're given around you. So if you're living in an environment that's going to reduce your ability to be resilient, you need to remove yourself in that environment. Yeah, you need to. Move it on. Yeah, you need to, like I remember one of Melanai's favorite moments in our marriage, Like there's lots, but financially. We're going to stick to one avenue in this financial. We paid off her student loans. And it was like a concerted effort for probably like, man, it was probably a decade.

Which in hindsight doesn't feel, it isn't that long in time, but at the time it felt like it was forever, you know? Yeah. And now you have a 10-year-old and you're like, what the heck is going on with time? Like that's something that works as you get older. And I couldn't have possibly put that in words. and if my 20-year-old self heard me talking about it, they wouldn't get it, yeah. Can I tell you something quickly to that? Sure.

I agree with you. Time has felt like it's like, it's almost like they turned up the clock or the turn up the dial. But since you and your family has come here, and this is meant in a really amazing way, it's actually felt like. Things have slowed down. Yeah. Yeah. The days have stretched out. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, it's been beautiful. Yeah. Sorry, go on. That's an interesting thing, though, right? like the time, it's just like, and it's not because, oh, there's so much noise, because there's a lot of, you know, there's a lot of, there's a lot of kids having interactions and things. It's not because of that. It's not a negative thing. It just feels like

at the end of the day, I'm like, I had a really, I had a really fulfilled, like it doesn't feel like it went fast, where you're normally a flash in the pan and you got to get up and it's the next thing because it's been, and I don't know why. I don't have the answer to that, but it's been an observation. I was making it. Well, I tell you what, I bet you somebody's going to text in their thoughts on it, which is cool. Yeah. It's one of the the glorious things about the podcast when I'm stuck on things. Okay. People send me in different thoughts.

Yeah. And it's always very well thought out, which is interesting. I look forward to that. Well, the time thing, the time thing is something as a younger mind you can't understand. And I remember looking at the solutions, like, let's just flip a light switch and be done with it. But now I think, you know, probably the root of a lot of our problems is parenting. Marriage is, yeah, like, how are you going to fix that? I can't go into somebody else's home.

They got to pick up, they got to, they got to look at their life and identify this is a problem in my life and I got to go work on it. And for some people, that could be there on 17 different medications. I always am shocked when I go into a doctor and the response when I say, I'm not on any medications. You're not on any medications. It's like, no. Where? Should I be on? No, I'm not on anything.

And Mel's not at anything. And, you know, like, but that in itself is strange. We had a doctor, the kids, when. You know, as your kids get older and they can verbalize for themselves, they were getting a yearly checkup or something. And it was this lovely doctor. She was a South African lady working in Lloyd. She was asking the kids how much tablet time they got. And I thought that was a strange question of the dad.

I was kind of sitting there and I was kind of waiting to hear what they said and going, oh, God, don't say you get. And they're like, well, we get some tablet time on Saturdays. usually if we are, I got, did they put it, like, behaving correctly. Yeah. It was some strange wording like that. And I was like, mm. And then she's like, what do you mean Saturdays? Well, we got to make sure like the week goes and they're explaining it.

And she's like, well, you don't get it like, you don't get it Monday to Friday. Yeah. No, I don't. And I'm like, oh my God. And then the doctor looks at us. He goes, how do you do that? And I was like, I'm going to remember. Mel being more confusing. How do we do what? Yeah. How do you keep your kids off the tablet?

And I was like, you're a parent? Like you just tell them no. Yeah, there's some tears, but like you're a parent. Yeah, that's your job. And for a doctor to say that, you understand that that's a rarity. I'm like, oh, oh, like that's tough. Like people just, and I'm not sitting here I'm from a pedestal saying, you know, like it's been raining for four days straight. Our kids have had lots of television time. Yeah. It's just interesting to hear that obviously you're in a very small segment of the population that doesn't monitor how much screen time their kids get. Yeah. But I can't get over it because it's so self-evident when they're on the screen. They just change right in front of you. It's like little maniacs that has turned like zombie. Goblins. No, no, no.

They come out of there and they're little awful human beings. They're unhooking from a drug. Yep. And when they come off of it, they're, they're vicious. And you're like, oh, like, I'm trying. So how do I make it better? Most people, okay, go back, go back. Yeah. Please don't do that again.

And I just want to, I just, I want to destroy them all. Yeah. I just, but I'm like, that probably, like, once upon a time, my mom threw it a Bon Jovi CD. Threw it out the window. And I can't, I chuckle about that now. I'm like, I wonder what the song was about, right? Wanted dead or alive or something, you know? And out the window.

know it went and I was just look and that's been like don't do that to your children yeah don't don't throw it out you have to explain out why you're doing it but but she'll my mom will call me now for sure because she's like you're I never throw it a bod drovey seat you did I remember driving like it was probably like 16 had the tunes cranked threw it up wanted dead or alive or who knows mine was new kids on the block this is garbage who do you're so right Oh boy. Apothecary. Yeah.

People can go online and order things from there. And they can also reach out and there's a contact me because a lot of people don't know what they want. So they can just, we can have a chat. We can do a consultation. I can do, I do custom formulas for people. Like the wonderful thing about herbal medicine, I shouldn't say the M word. Herbal support medicine is like, oh. The wonderful thing about herbal medicine, because that's what it is.

is it is kind of like saying price fixing around fishermen sort of who is uh sphincters tighten is that it's a very individual like people respond to things differently yeah and so there's so many avenues to like you know from liver detoxes to parasite cleanses to heart health to just you know taking something prophylactically to ensure that your immune system is functioning the best at all times to like we have and and all of our things one of the one of the real big cornerstones for this business and it's me and my brother and his girlfriend is really it's like three of us um that work together um to make this thing run um is locally foraged organically produced we make as much as we can the ingredients that go in like we're either foraging

mushrooms or Thomas is growing them organically or you know and if there's herbs that we want to bring in we bring them in I have a medicinal garden it's got like thing you wouldn't even believe that we have now but we have it like an anti it's a it's a plant called Biden Biden's Pelosa we grow it here it's originally from Africa don't judge it by the name yeah it's like bizarre I'm like you're kidding it was you're kidding right it's a little sharper than the other Biden you're thinking yes totally actually it's really funny but it uh it's it's a natural antibody that in clinical trials kills Babesia, malaria, claustridium, like aramonus,

these are all bacterial species. Salmonella, staphoccusoreus, streptococcus, all the things that cause the things. So, and we have that growing. So, you know, would I rather take a plant that doesn't completely neutralize and sterilize my microbiome before a antibiotic that has... the list of side effects. Like, I just had an appendix removal, and they put me, it was horrible. They put me on an antibiotic, IB antibiotic called syphaloxin.

So see, appendix removal, doctor, 100%. Medicine saved, save me. That was terrible. And we wouldn't have been able. That's something, acute medicine, you need that. So please don't, I'm not shitting on the whole complex. But they put me on antibiotic. And like, when you look at the side effects, it's not like may cause.

simple fluxin is really bad for you could cause like nervous issue like all these things and I'm like okay well I guess I need this because I could be septic so yeah but do I want to take that if the ability to just take this other thing will give me those things probably probably so it's nice to have it's nice to have that right well I got staff infection on my leg and they hooked me up to antibiotics and that was a rough week it did not feel great like antibiotics are weird they mess with you

and it's and it's funny because it was you know like it neutralized it but it didn't heal it right it was dumping some DMSO on that sucker that eventually just like I was like well I still remember doing it

and being like that was a tip it hurt it didn't hurt it's not the right word it felt uncomfortable and my brain went to very dark places to where I'm just like, well, if in the morning I wake up and my leg is swollen to a grapefruit and I got to lob it off, it was a good run. And I went to bed and it was like uncomfortable. I woke up in the morning and it had shrunk. And I'm like, oh my God, you're the DMO and we're putting it on. And it was like a week of that and it was gone. All the inflammation was

gone. Yeah. It actually, the sore actually healed. Amazing. Do I understand? It stopped the spread of the redness and shrunk that and then it shrunk to a certain point and just stayed there. Like it didn't look good and the actual wound would is like not healing. Oh, okay. Yeah. It wasn't good. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like it oozed for a straight week to 10 days straight. Like it just, it just kept coming out. Cellulitis is a big thing. Yeah. Don't wait, folks. Yeah. Like, and be careful around.

wounds, right? Like I was, I didn't, yeah, I'm anyways. I'm a guy. Sheila's saying I'm a guy. That's very true. It's very true. Yeah. So it's been like really amazing because it's one thing to have products that you can use in, and I believe in them. I use them on my family. You have like a tester. But then when people keep on coming back and being like, this is, I feel better. this is amazing. Like, thank you. I'm like, oh, God, okay. Well, it's because of Marina's conversation.

She talked about you being a wolf. I'm like, I should all probably become wolves. And I'm like, probably have a T-shirt idea in there. And I've been thinking about that, whether, you know, the slogan has become a wolf. And I'm like, what does that actually mean? And how do you become that, right? Where you can advocate for yourself confidently that you're just like, or your family, like, no, no, we're just not doing that.

And I'm like, in your realm, you've done that very successfully, right? Apothecary, what is that doing? It's building confidence and understanding. This actually can work, right? Like so many times, me being a man, Sheila's point, like, I'll get something going on, and I just go, okay, well, I'll put some Ivermectin to it. I'll put some DMSO to it in hopes that it would work. I actually don't understand what I'm doing.

And when I look across what I look across what you're talking about and it's become a wolf idea, I'm like, oh, you need to build certain skills and confidence in different areas. And for the audience, it's like you have a built-in one with Dr. Laura. Because if you just go to the apothecary, you have issues. It's like, oh, I want to get off this. you actually can talk to a brilliant woman who is in her realm exactly that. I'm working this idea. I'm like, I'm going to be thinking about this for 300 plus more days.

Okay. Because I'm like, there is something there. Like, there's this wonderful world that is the podcast community. Yeah. But like, if you're struggling with whatever it is on your body.

And there's lots of, you know what? There's a bunch of remedies that you can probably, and others for that matter, that I've interviewed, totally help with. There's a lot of people that, you know, I'm kind of late to the game on this, Sean. Like, there's, people have been doing this for a long time. Sure. And, uh, it's unfortunate that it's considered taboo. Because in any, in any successful health intervention,

unfortunately what's happened in Canada, Western medicine is that it's, there's only one, there's only one way. There's only one way to skin this cat and it's through drugs, it's through this, blah, blah, blah, blah. Cancer. This is the only way. chemo radiation or lumpectomy or whatever this is the way it's going to happen and that's it we're not giving you any other options since when since when is that the thing it should be a holistic approach it should be oh by the way also what you eat matters and there's all these other like radiation kicks the shit out of you but we know that turkey tail and rishi mushroom fortify your body and reduce the toxicity

effects oh and although so does ivermectin and when all those things are worked together, the chemo actually works better. But that isn't even part of this. It's like, no, it's only allopathic medicine. It's only the way that the big pharma because the money and the trail and all the things. That's the only way to do it. And it's so unfortunate because people are like

brainwashed to only trust the white coats and only do what they want them to do without thinking for themselves and the information you want to talk about data is available. All this stuff is clinically shown and while there's no

clinical trial, placebo, because there's no money in it if it's free. If it's around us, nobody's going to, you know, if Ivermectin works, which it does, that's why there's patents in five different medical schools for Ivermectin like drugs for cancer. It works. I've seen it work. But there's no money in it. It's a generic drug. Cost pennies. So probably shouldn't let them do that. Yeah, but it's funny if we want it. and have to write about this or something because I got a thought that's just like it's just like sitting on the tip of my brain and I just can't seem to once again I'll write about it I guess because I go like you know you got to take control your life and your life has many different aspects and what we're talking about is health right in order to be effective in society you need to be able to think clearly you need to be able to like walk a mile or whatever it is you know and what you're talking about is like if you get hooked on all the pharmaceuticals It's not good. You get cancer. It's not good. But there are options that are like sitting there that work. You just don't highlight those as a society. But like on the

flip side, if you want a whole bunch of wolves and I'm I'm commandeering your term, Marina, because I'm like, I really like it. It's like, well, actually the availability of is sitting all there. And the confidence is if you go use some things and it works. because then you see it and you're like you know this is why I was so high on honey. Yeah. Like everyone and oh my want to interview a honey farmer. It's like because like seven years ago I used honey as a sleep aid. I did not know what I was doing.

I thought I was stupid and I was putting sugar in my tea before bed and I thought I was going to like stay up till like four in the morning wide eyed. Yeah. And have I ever told you this story? No. Oh, I was having a horrific time sleeping and I tried a bunch of different things and none of it ever worked. and one night I was having tea and you know

got some honey from a buddy I was working with like some raw honey yeah from the farm and I put it in and I'm like this is probably a terrible idea that's like straight sugar in your tea but oh well whatever and that night I slept so hard

I woke up I had drool all over my pillow but I didn't add two and two together so I you know the next night came around I'm like well I fell asleep I gained miles to put some more honey in my tea so I did it again and the second night in a row I mean I drooled all over my now lots of people have tried this and it not work but this goes to your comment of like

everybody is different so I don't know what it is about the honey for me specific so I was like what's going on this is actually working and so then I started talking a bunch of old times like oh yeah so people way back in the day you say it's a sleep bait all the time and then I started talking and people laugh at me honey farmers laughed at me and like well supposedly you know the the bees come from your area. There's things in the pollen and stuff from, you know, that are interacting with body. Bee farmers are like, oh, you almost had me. And they were laughing at me. They didn't believe what I was saying. I was like, this is from these are bee farmers. I thought

they would know all this. Yeah. It was a little bit, huh. I don't know. Maybe I am. But I'm like, wait. It was working. It worked. And it does work. Yeah. Like for me, at least. It's interesting. Sleep aid. Oh, yeah. If I'm having a problem sleeping, raw honey. There we go. And I am like out like a light. Wonderful. Oh, yeah. Wonderful. I wonder if it was the plants that those bees were taking the pollen from if they had I don't know.

That effects because there's a lot of flowers and herbs that are called nervines and they act to like calm your brain and let you get to see. And I wonder if that's the case because Valerian for example, Valerian is a very common plant and they have and the bees love it and that's the that was the basis of Valium. So Valerian root is a very common. Nervine that we use as like that. And so I wonder if it's because the honey, the bees are taking those medicinal properties

from the pollen of those plants and making like a beautiful. Well, this is the first time I've had a conversation where somebody could maybe be like, oh, that's interesting. Because most people are just like, uh-huh. Sure. I went and tried it, nothing worked, Sean. And I'm like, I don't know, I don't make it up

that I drooled on myself two nights and roll. This is very interesting. I'm going to look into this. I'm going to look into this. Well, I'm glad I brought it up. I am too. I tell you why. Yeah.

I want to switch over to substack for the 10 bonus questions, and then I want to get out of your in-laws house, because they're probably like, is this going to go for seven hours? And Pat's like, this is why we didn't let you record it last night, because we wouldn't ate until midnight, and he's probably, you're probably very true. Yeah.

But regardless, thanks for. It's really fun. Yeah. It's way better in person. A thousand times. Yeah. The next time you do it, though, we're going to have you out to the new studio.

Okay. And then maybe we'll put together like, I don't know, probably a round table on something, but we can have some fun. Bring some people in and have some fun out in Lloyd. But regardless, thanks again for this. If you're enjoying the interview folks, we're switching over to Substack. We're going to do 10 quick questions. Okay.

And you can find us over there.