Shaun Newman Podcast - #1132 - Allison Inquiry Day 2

Episode Date: September 22, 2026

Day 2 of the Allison Inquiry continued September 9, 2026 on Parliament Hill, as MP Dean Allison and counsel Shawn Buckley opened another full day of sworn testimony from Canadians reporting COVID-19 vaccine injuries. Witnesses included Michelle Worton, Cameron Hitchcock, Jasmeet Grewal, Michael Oesch and others, alongside researchers Dr. Jessica Rose and Dr. Charles Hoffe; organizers also read names of applicants who could not appear. The session kept the same listening-only format, documenting personal accounts of illness, disability, and loss for the public record.Silver Gold Bull Links:Website: https://silvergoldbull.ca/Email: [e-mail] Grahame: [phone]Bow Valley Credit UnionBitcoin: www.bowvalleycu.com/en/personal/investing-wealth/bitcoin-gatewayEmail: [e-mail] Nor’East Apothecary - USE promo code SNP for 15% off your orderhttps://thepowerofplants.ca/Get your voice heard: Text Shaun 587-217-8500

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Let's get on the day two of the Allison Inquiry. I'm joining us here in Ottawa. And to those watching online from across Canada and around the world, thank you for tuning in. Most importantly, I want to acknowledge. to more than 1,400 vaccine-injured Canadians who've applied to appear as a witness before this inquiry and to the many others who continue to come forward. To each of you, thank you for trusting us with your story. We know we cannot hear from everyone during these four days, but that does not mean your experience is any less important.

We still want to hear your story, and we will continue to collect and document these experiences. I also want to thank everyone who testified yesterday and had the courage to share deeply personal and in many cases heartbreaking stories. And I want to thank Senator Ron Johnson, who joined us yesterday and shared what he has learned through five years of hearings, round tables, and discussions with experts to help those that are affected.

I also want to recognize the independent media who are here with us in the room and who have helped give vaccine-injured Canadians a platform to tell their stories. The level of public interest has been remarkable. On X alone, as of this morning, and according to X's numbers, there's been over 61,000 posts in less than 24 hours.

So well done. Thank you very much to the independent media. And it's funny, when I got in here, someone told me we're trending globally at number nine, but before I could sit down, we were actually up to seven. So you guys have already been busy this morning, I can tell you. So thank you very much. I think that's remarkable getting people's stories out that we are trending seven in the world in global news on X.

So congratulations to all the injured that share, to all the independents that share to tell people's stories. I think that's so important. Over the next three days, we'll continue listening to Canadians' report being injured. Following COVID-19 vaccinations, we'll hear what has happened to them, how their lives and families have been affected, and what happened when they sought medical care answers, recognition and compensation. Yesterday reminded me just how devastating these experiences can be. For many, this is simply not about a physical injury.

It's about a mental and emotional stress that can accompany it. It's about pressure placed on spouses, children, and loved ones. And for some families, it has been meant financial devastation, from losing a job or being unable to work. While, at the same time, trying to pay for treatments in medical care that are just simply not covered by any provincial or federal program. I wonder how many people outside of this room actually understand that concept. And that's why telling your stories are so important.

And finally, as a country, I believe that we need to seriously examine not only how vulnerable Canadians have been treated, but also how we've treated some of the men and women who serve our country in uniform. Yesterday, we heard Michael's story and heard about the extraordinary brotherhood and sisterhood among members of the Canadian Army. forces. These are proud, loyal, and selfless Canadians who would give their lives and have volunteered to serve our country. To hear accounts for members who felt they had little, meaningful choice regarding COVID-19 vaccinations and who say that after experiencing serious health problems, they were left without the support they needed should concern every Canadian. Whatever our views on the policies in the pandemic, we should be able to agree on this. When someone's

serves their country and become sick or injured, we simply do not cast them aside. We stand by them. Ultimately, that is what this inquiry is about, people. It's about hearing from those who have been injured, understanding the challenges that they continue to face and have faced accessing medical care and compassion and compensation and making sure their experiences are documented and heard. For too long, many have felt the need that nobody was listening. Well, this week, We are listening. And with that, let's begin day two of the inquiry. I'm going to turn it over to my colleague, Mr. Sean Buckley.

Thank you, Chairperson, Dean Allison. I'm very honored to be here today. Yesterday was an amazing experience for everyone who participated. And there were some unexpected things. I was in an Uber coming here today, and we were listening to a song called The Blessing, which has become a theme for these proceedings. And I was thinking about how amazing it is

that in September of 2026, in Canada, we are afraid to speak about vaccine injury. I spoke yesterday about how it's kind of the Canada's dirty little secret. We can't talk about it. And we're afraid to be labeled as anti-vaxxers. I don't know what a vaxer is, but I do know that I have been taught that the last thing you want to be called in Canada is an anti-vaxxer. It is complete derision, and it obligates the rest of society to alienate you and to silence you and remove your voice completely. And many of our witnesses who ironically are not anti-vaxxers, they took the vaccine and were injured, but they're labeled that. and they're afraid of being labeled that.

And so, you know, in 2026, medical doctors are afraid. And when you think about that, these are highly trained professionals that have a lot of power in our society. I mean, they make life and death decisions every day. They're highly respected. They have rights and privileges that other members of society don't have. They're really the cream of the crop. It's so difficult to get into medical school.

they have to work so hard. The commitment is absolutely amazing. And yet this privileged class is afraid to speak against vaccines, which if you're acknowledging vaccine injury, speaks against vaccines. And I just want you to think about that as this privileged class is afraid. It's not just just the rest of us. This is one of the most highly esteemed privileged classes in Canada, and they're afraid. And when I was speaking about journalists, I mean, journalists, especially for the mainstream media, the power that they wield, they have such a large audience, they have a responsibility to the public to report fairly, to report both sides, to actually question things that we accept when there's evidence to suggest that we should start questioning. And these people compete

for these jobs. I mean, you're winning a lottery. You've demonstrated ability. You've just demonstrated competence. You've worked in the lower level tiers of media for years and years before you get that privileged position of being a journalist in the mainstream media. And yet, they are afraid this privileged class of journalists that surely you know inside that they want to report accurately, that they want to report fairly, that they want to be free to question things. That's their job. And yet they're afraid on this issue of speaking about vaccine injury. And then we have our members of parliament.

And before this inquiry became a possibility, my wife, Teresa, and I were meeting at the request of MP Dean Allison with other MPs because he had asked the question, if I do this, if I agree to hold an inquiry, will I be the only MP at the table? I think there's 342 MPs. will I be the only one at the table? And so we were meeting with ones that we thought would be philosophically inclined to support something like this. And what we came away from is that MPs do not feel that it's politically viable for them to sit at this table. Now, because this is trending so much worldwide,

that may change. We may see some MPs show up as the, these proceedings go on that we didn't anticipate because of the immense public interest. But who is more powerful in Canada than members of Parliament? The power they wield is just incredible. I mean, they pass laws literally over life and death. They make decisions that affect us every area of our life. The power that they wield, the power that's concentrated in the House of Commons is amazing.

and yet this absolute powerful class is afraid. They're afraid to listen to vaccine injured persons, to speak about vaccine entry publicly because it's a forbidden topic. And so I think it's important for us to frame how powerful these groups are that are forbidden from speaking. And it begs the question, How can it be in Canada in 2026 that there is a topic that is so forbidden that the most powerful classes in Canada cannot tread there? And I can ask rhetorically because there are examples in history where certain topics could not be discussed against the official narrative without consequences.

And again, it's a rhetorical question. Can anyone show me an example where that ended well? regardless of the topic because there have been topics in other countries throughout history that were forbidden to speak against without consequence and it never ends well

and how is it going to end well here we're already a divided nation Michael McNair took the stand yesterday and if you you haven't watched him and we probably haven't posted it online yet but it'll get there you have to

watch it. Because it's not even the words that Michael spoke. It was his demeanor. It was the clear emotion. It was the clear struggle that he was experiencing as he was on the stand, as he was testifying under oath, sharing his story. He showed us what moral distress is, what moral injury is. Some of these witnesses may not use those terms. but when they talk about the difficult part of their journey being not hurt, being gaslit by the medical community, being basically disenfranchised as citizens, even within their own families.

They're really describing moral injury. Because the reality is we're meant to be part of a tribe. We're meant to be part of a family unit. We're meant to be part of social circles. We're meant to be part of professional circles. But if you become vaccine injured, even though you're not an anti-vax or whatever that is, because you're taking vaccines, you've just happened to be injured. But because we can't even have the discussion, you are excluded automatically,

in many cases from family members, and there's probably not a witness that we're calling that has not had family alienation because of their journey. you are alienated professionally, you are alienated from your social circles, you are often de-platformed on social media channels, as our first witness has been, all because you were injured. You become disenfranchised.

And so many of these people will be speaking about their physical injuries. But I think that it's important for us to understand that there has been a moral injury, there has been a moral injustice and it's why this inquiring and listening to these voices are so important and so I you know I echo what Mr. Allison has said thanks to the media the alternative media for getting this out because it these telling the stories matters because we're listening to the stories and if the mainstream media still feels forbidden from doing so then we still need to get the word out. And so we actually call on everyone who's got any type of platform anywhere in the world. Go to Allison Inquiry.com and restream us. Let's make this a worldwide phenomena because nowhere else in the world are vaccine injured persons being called to testify in a formal setting under oath. And we need to get the word out. And so, yeah, absolutely. I also

I just want to add one more thing in the context of what Sean has just mentioned. I've had a number of colleagues here yesterday and today. I want to thank Mr. Dawson, who early on when I talked to him, what he said he was in and he was in for three days and he's here. He's here every day. He's one guy I count on that. I want to thank MPMaha for also coming as well who indicated that was the case. So to my colleagues, I appreciate it very much.

There'll be more than come over the next couple days. As I said, Mike was here. We had a few others yesterday in the context of Sean's marks. So thanks. So our first witness today is Michelle Wharton and Michelle, welcome to the Allison Inquiry. Will you take the Bible in your right hand, please? And yeah, it's on. And Michelle, do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth?

So help you God? I do. I'm wondering, you've heard the opening comments. And you're part of an organization called. called Can Rise, which is the largest organization in Canada, which is a community of vaccine injured persons. Before we go into your story, do you mind sharing why it's important for vaccine injured persons to be able to tell their stories? Yes, of course. When you're a vaccine injured in Canada, you're abandoned. That's a reality.

A significant amount of my experience has been exactly that for close to three years, almost exactly three years. From the time I was injured until I found other injured Canadians like myself, I walked this road alone. and to your point, abandonment, isolation, medical gaslighting, censorship, moral injury, dismissal by dental colleagues.

I was a highly esteemed dental professional, nationally recognized, friends, family, community members, doctors, you name it. So for me, to have been very grateful to find Julie Woods, my co-founder, who will be testifying tomorrow, Canterize 19, was founded. And what I couldn't find being a regulated dental professional and a healthcare professional in the country was a scientific evidence-based organization that offered peer support groups. And so initially that's where Julie and I started, was establishing ourselves as a registered nonprofit in Canada, offering formal support groups four times a year.

And then we moved on now to having, sadly, again, this is a reality in Canada, an underground medical provider list that we will not share and cannot share, because Canadians cannot get access to medical doctors to help them improve their health. Can I just slow you down there because I think you're saying something that is tremendously important. And you can leave your microphone. That's fine. So CanRise is an organization of vaccine, COVID-19 vaccine injured persons that have formed because they need support. And the kind of collective experience is that we can't get medical attention by regular doctors. But there's that odd outlier out there that actually will treat us, that will not dismiss us.

And you don't want to get them into trouble. So it's a secret list because it's a valuable resource. And I think that in itself is an entire story that vaccine injured persons have to protect those few doctors that are willing to treat them as human beings. It's one of the only resources we have. Okay. So let's go into your journey because it's quite compelling. I'm just going to talk very briefly about who you are to save time. So you're 42.

You're the mother of two, Joshua and Paige. Your partner, Dave, is here to support you. And thank you for being here, Dave. You were a business owner. You basically built up a dental hygienist practice. I think you had like 2,000 clients highly. successful. You were on the regulatory board, the national regulatory board for your profession. You physically, you were extremely active hiking. You played soccer. You coached children's

soccer. Zero health problems before this journey that you're going to speak to us about. Can you share with us now your journey with the COVID-19 vaccines? Yeah. Now 47. So I was injured at 42. you. Sorry about that. And, you know, because people, especially females, hate it when we say they're younger than they. So I apologize. I don't mind at all because I've earned these five years.

I've fought for every moment these last five years. When Michael spoke yesterday, he spoke of moral injury. And I have not yet heard anyone. explain it quite to the degree that absolutely echoes my experience. I was not vaccinated until December of November was my first dose, my second, December 2021. And a underlining factor to me receiving those injections was being a member of our regulatory board. So I served on the College of Dental Hygienists.

And in British Columbia, Bonnie Henry not only mandated government employees, but she wasn't satisfied. So she extended that and began to extend that to all regulated health care professionals in the province. And that meant me. And so when the email confidential mandatory vaccine requirements came along my inbox, my life chain, I sat at the board table discussing risk versus benefit, informed consent, bodily autonomy. And I'm going to fast forward to your injury, just because I think that's more important with the time ago.

So that's my ultimately what led me to receive these injections. Within an hour of my first dose, high heart rate, erratic blood pressure, tightness of my chest, shortness of breath, generally just unwell, subsided somewhat. I perhaps wanted to relate that more to moral injury. than physical injury, I was wrong. And my second injection, within 48 hours, severe neurological onset. Blurred tunnel, double vision, hot spots in my legs, urinary incontinence, tinnitus, dizziness, imbalance,

inability to regulate hot and cold. and my first appointment with a physician was roughly about three weeks. That's when I could get in. And when I explained the serious acute onslaught of neurological symptoms, he blamed it on menopause. As I understand it, I mean, you're having vision problems, like serious vision problems, basically blurred and tunnel vision. When you're talking about pot burning, like really severe pain,

burning, you actually lost some incontinence. You were having incontinent issues, chest tightness, dizziness and vertical that's actually affecting your ability to walk, and you're told this is menopause. That's correct. How did that make you feel? Having been someone that worked in the medical profession for over two decades, the level of medical gaslighting, I had never anticipated. I received these injections because I was told they were safe and effective,

and coercion is not consent, and then I'm injured, and that's how I'm treated. And we're here now in 2026. I would spend my life in and out of the emergency room, being treated for migraines, laughed at, mocked at, condescending. often they'll talk to Dave, not to me, because I'm a female. So this is something that people need to realize is that to have chronic illness and be a female does absolutely set you apart for the type of care you receive because it's very easily displayed and, you know, anxiety, stress.

Of course, being a business owner navigating the pandemic, it must have been very stressed. Can you share with us about the cystic masses and then what that led to? So not only have I been diagnosed with multiple neurological and autoimmune conditions, I have roughly eight white matter brain lesions that continue to form. I have cystic masses in my liver, pancreas, cervix, breasts, brain. and as we fought for health care in Canada, ultimately in 2023, we had to resort to traveling to the United States. I presented with a brain cyst seven months after my second vaccination, which was causing brain compression.

I just want to repeat what you said because I think it's really important for people to understand this. So you're having the cystic masses over your entire body, but that includes on your brain. You have one inside your skull, and it's getting so large, it's actually compressing your brain, which I'm not a doctor, but that's a fatal condition once you start getting brain compression. And they're not willing to operate on you in Canada. So they see it. They know it's there. They know it's compressing your brain, but you can't get a surgery in Canada.

So what do you do? Because you did get a surgery. Can you share us what you as a Canadian vaccine injured person had to do, to still be alive and be able to tell us your story today? Ultimately, because of my symptoms and financial burden, I sold my dental practice. Assets were sold, all savings gone, and crowdfunding to pay for my life.

Health care is free in Canada, $148,000. We paid for the surgery alone. And that's U.S. dollars for brain surgery in the United States. That was Canadian. Oh, Canadians. But you had to travel to the United States to pay for private brain surgery so that you could still be alive. To date, we're over $300,000 spent on medical care.

And we're not done. I returned back to the United States in 2024. Again, no one would help me in Canada. and within 36 hours, I was diagnosed with numerous immune and neurological conditions, given a treatment plan that's available in Canada, and it's heavily gate-kept. We just got denied the last treatment in July, which is blood filtration, plasmapheresis. I just want to explain to everyone what you mean by gatekeeper. Correct me if I've got it wrong.

So the treatments are available where you live in British Columbia. But the provincial government will approve them for certain conditions so the specialists and doctors can access those treatments for patients who have certain conditions. But those conditions don't include vaccine injury. I'm lucky, Sean, if I can get my foot in the door. As soon as specialists see vaccine onset, irrelevant of the fact that I have neurological and autoimmune conditions, they won't see me. Can you give us a little more detail about that? Because it's an important point that seems to be coming up that most people don't understand that, you know, you actually could be treated one way in the hospital system until they find out that it's

vaccine injury and it's like a switch goes off. It is. So can you share maybe an example of that that comes to mind? In order for me to have access to, we have had access to a couple of treatments. Sadly, the specialist in the United States in August of 24 was very clear. He sent a letter to my family doctor saying, if you do not help her, she will get worse. I am substantially worse. And so I did not see a neurologist in person in Canada until May of 2025 last year.

I've never seen an immunologist. I just want to stop you there because it was on December 18th, 2021, one where you started having neurological symptoms that are clearly neurological symptoms, vision, odd spots, tinnitus, and continents, dizziness. So you need to tell us that it's basically five years after the onset of very serious neurological symptoms that you're able to access a neurologist in person. No one had laid hand on me. And so in order for me to see an immunologist, the light.

that we've had to go through. And if I didn't have the medical background I did have, I would have given up. We know Canadians that have given up. They're accepting made. They're being offered made. And so in order to even get a referral accepted to an immunologist in British Columbia,

we left out vaccine injury. Right, you basically have to hide the truth. Absolutely. To be able to try and then, so not only the doctors have to be kept secret, but you actually have to withhold part of your diagnosis. So I want to show some photos that you have sent to us and maybe we'll pull those up, David, if you can pull up those photos. Can you share with us? This is a very

happy photo and I hope the camera's off the photo. I loved what I did to not get to decide when my career ended. It was heartbreaking. That was my dental practice. So this is a photo of you before vaccination at your dental practice that you spent years and years building up. That's correct. So can we move to the next photo? Can you share with us what this is a photo of? What people don't realize is that these injuries don't just hatch the injured. My children were 8 and 10 when this started.

We were living an extraordinary life. in the mountains. And my children and my spouse have had to become my caregivers. My children have had to grow up faster than any child should. And they've had to witness far more than any child should ever witness. Can we go to the next one? It was 2019. In this photo is around the same time?

No, that was the summer of 2021. Next photo, please. Can you share with us what these four photos represent? We don't know why my skin takes on that modeled appearance, but that's what happens with sun or heat exposure now. And it takes roughly an hour for that to go away. It's not normal. It's just one of the many symptoms that I present with. We have the next photo, please.

What is this photo of, Michelle? with Dave's employment and someone has to work, I'm often, was, no one could leave me home alone. And so my mom actually drove from Edmonton to pick me up and bring me home with her while Dave was gone. And I just arrived in Edmonton. And when I talk migraines, at this point I still have the brain cysts, so just extraordinary head pain and pressure. pressure behind my eyes just crippling and I was admitted into the ER and again nothing but gas lighting then move to the next photo and this is a photo of your scalp after they knew that brain surgery that's right they had to remove a cyst from the very center of my brain and I have another

brain cyst in a different area of my brain thank you and so we'll be finished with the photos is Am I correct? My understanding is, is actually you don't know how long you're going to be alive. We have no long-term treatment. And you're not getting better, you're getting worse, because you're not getting the treatments that you're supposed to be getting, according to the specialists in the United States. I needed it five years ago. Can we actually, David, pull up the next slide.

No, let's pull that down. I'm actually going to finish my questions. I'll ask you the question. Through the whole process, has any doctors at all been supporters? They've been on your side with telling your story or you mind your story with your shoulder? I have had one doctor who's in, so we live in British Columbia. I've had one doctor, he's a general practitioner in Alberta. And my first experience in British Columbia, when they blamed it on menopause,

I knew I was in trouble. And a close friend of mine recommended him, and thankfully he took me on as a patient. I never say his name out loud. He's been ostracized from peer groups in the province simply because he had experience with roughly 14 patients that had adverse reactions. His hope was that in time I would get better. Two and a half years later, obviously we realized that I was not, and he was absolutely. He was ultimately who signed my claim for the vaccine injury support program. But because he's in a different province, there's a lot of hurdles interprovincially

than accessing medical care. So he tries to help me where he can. But there are a lot of barriers in Canada. How has your not-for-profits? How has it helped yourself and other people so far since you've established it? It's a lifeline to be able to have individuals like myself, like your next witness, be able to share and lean on each other, to not feel isolated, to not be abandoned, to be heard and to be seen as incredible. We're in the process at this point right now where we've submitted our charitable status application, so we're hoping that we can get that approved. we're stepping in where the government hasn't.

And so if anyone thinks that the vaccine injury support program or the new program is assisting Canadians, it is not. The new program is no different than the vaccine injury support program. And so our goal is to create a medical care fund so that we can pay for Canadians to get health care. Have you applied to the new program? Or do you know anyone that has that? Certainly. So my claim was rejected, submitted April, 23, rejected September 2024, and I have confirmation of vaccine injury.

We have been in the appeals process. September 16th will be two years. We are now waiting, and I had to submit paperwork via mail, not email, to plead my case on why my appeal. should be considered with the Public Health Agency of Canada, even though it was already approved as an appeal with VIST. Our organization has engaged countless times with members of Parliament, with the Public Health Agency of Canada, with VIST offering program recommendations. The program is a dismal failure. It's a bureaucratic nightmare. My mom had to be added to my file before I went for brain surgery. I absolutely could not navigate this without her. They make it so difficult. And this is not my story alone. Thousands that Canadians are experiencing the same. Medical gas lighting, a federal program that's failed, financial hardship, moral injury,

spouses that are caregivers. When I say we're abandoned, we are absolutely, abandoned in this country. And we were told that no one would be left behind. We have been left behind. No one wants to talk about us. The pandemic is over. The pandemic is not over for us. We cannot relive this again.

I want to thank you for telling your story today. I don't have any more questions, but I do want to apologize for what you've had to deal with was through the member of the parliament, the parliament in general and the government. Thank you to be in here. Thank you for being here. Thank you for sharing your story for coming up and for being courageous enough to not let it go or to give up on it. You said that, can you, if you know that, you say that no specialist or, you say that no specialist or,

takes the vaccine injury patients. Do you, from your experience with them, what stops them from taking a vaccine injury patient? So you can... It's a regulatory body. Those that they hold their license with. What stops them? I'm concerned about being penalized. If you listen to Dr. Charles Haugh... Penalized by the regulatory bodies? You absolutely. When I first was vaccine injured, I was served on my college board. I resigned from my college board in a very short period of time because I would not have my name assigned to a college that would mandate their registrants

and then be injured like me. And I was afraid to talk about my injury as a regulated healthcare professional because I was afraid of being reported to my college for telling the truth. Doctors cannot openly talk about vaccine injuries in Canada because their regulatory bodies will penalize them. What bothers me as an MPS, why would they penalize professionals for helping patients,

be it vaccine injury or otherwise? It's a very good question. Do you have anything to say on it? So you mentioned that... The ideology around vaccinations is one that you cannot contend with. And there's a very large difference. between being an anti-vaxxer, which is insulting because I'm vaccine injured,

and ensuring that we have robust safety approval for vaccines in Canada. That's what we need. Safety surveillance, accurate reporting, because if we don't have any of the above, Canadians will not get assistance, and this will happen again. Can you also tell us, you said that there is another cyst in another part of your brain? So what happened with that?

Is it still there? We're monitoring it. And that was somewhere between, in 2023, my pituitary gland was normal. That's in your brain. And my MRI from January of 2026 showed a cystic mass or a. it's called an adenoma in that area of my brain, and my vision is getting significantly worse. So I actually see tunnel vision, so my peripheral site is permanently damaged. Additionally to that, and again, this comes back to me being a medical provider,

is that I understand how to read labs and I understand how to read imaging. And it's me reviewing my imaging that I noted that somewhere in 2024, I had a and no one told me. They repeated the imaging in 2026 and confirmed that I had a mini stroke. And I'm wondering why my cognition is declining, why my executive function is declining, why my cognitive faculties are declining. I was a healthy, thriving healthcare professional.

And this is our life now. This is not just my life. My life has been destroyed, by a Health Canada-approved medical product. And no one is here to help us. Once again, I'm sorry to hear that. Thank you. Thank you for being courageous enough.

Michelle, thanks. I want to thank you again. You've made this trek before, and you went our first press conference, and I don't think anyone appreciates how far you've come. You've come on planes, trains, and automobiles. You've come from a long distance in northern D.C. And Dave also want to thank you for being here as well.

And very nice being you. I have a couple of questions, but when we chatted, you know, you're here today. And the challenge with, I think, a lot of vaccine injuries, people look fine. But internally, they're gutted. They're destroyed. Talk about, you know, the recovery. I mean, you traveled the great distance to get here. I don't know how many hours it took, but I know.

colleague Bob Zimmer, it takes them five, six, eight, ten hours, twelve, depending on stuff. How long it takes your, like, this is going to really kick the crap out of you for the next couple days. You're going to be the time to recover. For what would be normal for most people, I think you should explain, you know, this comes at a cost for you to be here. It definitely does. Without care, my conditions are getting progressively worse, And so that includes burning, tingling, electric shocks, jolts, everywhere. As I'm sitting here, it's everywhere. My brain, it's on fire.

And any kind of level of activity or exertion, even staying upright, this is challenging. I spend 90% of my time in bed. My ligaments can't keep me upright. And even yesterday, knowing that individuals would be testifying, I wanted to be here and I had to leave early, and I spent the rest of the day in bed, taking rescue medications for, you know, brain inflammation, pain, nausea, and that's what every day looks like. And so I can't tell you for certain how long it will take to recover, but today will be the same. Tomorrow will be the same. And that's just what life looks like now. And we have to do what we have to do. This is important.

I would not not be here. So I'll make do. Yeah. And we appreciate you making the effort, not once but twice. I think we should show up here the slide, you know, just talking about some of the stats that you guys have from Can19. Someone was asking about,

can you just go through that slide for us in terms of the data that you're receiving from your organizations, from the individuals? How many people are a part of that organization? Again, you... So we have 2,000 members that access our resource we have roughly 300 registered members. And so this is some of that's from that.

Yes, our data points are from our members who we send surveys to. Okay. And so this was submitted in part for us to be able to provide not only BISP but the Public Health Agency of Canada with data points to reflect the inefficiencies of BISP. And so for our members in particular, as you can see above, you know, over 46% of our members had no idea

that the pro or I'm sorry, couldn't apply because they couldn't get doctors to sign their application form. You imagine that. So when we're looking at stats from the federal government, 58,000 injured, 11,000 serious, roughly 4,000 tried to apply. So think about that for a second. That could be 8,000 people that didn't apply or couldn't apply, right? 24 were ineligible because they couldn't get medical support in time in a three-year time frame,

roughly 30% not even aware that the program existed. And of the applicants, one of which is myself, again, you can see roughly 7% approved. 7% 93% rejection rate in a program that was supposed to help serve Canadians that were injured. Make that make sense. 43% rejected, 50% remain in the process. Five years we've been waiting. we don't have five years. Like we can't wait another five years for a program that is not working.

And when I listen to you, engage in the House of Commons, and Maggie Chi, is that correct? Responded that we've developed a program, we've transferred it to the public health agency of Canada. It's not working. It's no different.

It's an illusion of a federal program just to save face. We know. injured behind me, no. It's not working. And you know what the cost is? My life. I just have one more comment before I turn.

Like this is why these testimonies are so important. I know you're reliving and that's brutal. But the reality is we see numbers like 60,000. We know that's a lie. It is a lie. Right? Because people don't actually get a report. Dr. Pop talked about that.

He said, like, I can't even get things. And he's one of the good guys. Like, he's one of the guys who wants to help. Do you know that my AEFI has never been reported by a doctor? Yeah. Ask doctors to report it. They've never reported it. Yeah.

But the stats are tremendously under, and the program is woefully underfunded. And even if you were able to give access, chances are you're going to get stuck in this revolving loop that never ends. Well, something to highlight for myself is that two of the three medical panel experts agreed that there was. a temporal relationship between my injection timeline and onset of symptoms. They didn't feel like my conditions are from the vaccine. They blamed it on age. They tried to blame it on my brain surgery, even though the symptoms started within 48 hours. Like, you name it, they've tried to blame it on anything but the vaccine.

But the problem is, and Senator Ron Johnson spoke to that specifically yesterday. If these conditions are not reported in the clinical trial, there's no causation. So we're doomed. Pfizer didn't disclose the safety signals. Post-marketing, it's not disclosed. So we have globally individuals showing up with these symptoms and these conditions. And again, our data is showing. And Michelle, I'm sorry.

Yeah. Conditions are common, more common than you'd think. It's just we don't want to have to say to a witness at the end of the day. They don't have time. I just, I know it's going to be physically punishing on you to be here. But we're really, really thankful that you came and shared with us. This is super important. Thank you. Thank you for having me.

Our next witness is Vienna, Damadak. Vienna, would you take the Bible in your right hand, please? Vienna, Damadak, do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? So I'll help you go. I'm just going to go through some of your personal details really quick. and you are currently 63. Yes, I am. You can tell my age.

That's okay. You have two daughters and two grandsons. You were before your vaccination, you were a massage therapist. Yes. And you were literally seven days a week. I work constantly. And I did a lot of palliative care at the end before I got injured, which sounds strange, but I loved it.

I loved working with people that were that ill. Yes. And you were hugely athletic. When you and I spoke, basically you'd go 20 kilometers every other day. You swam, you cycled everywhere, you hiked, you kayaked, you're one of those persons. A little nuts, yeah. Yeah, okay. It's very fit, absolutely no health issues at all.

No. No. So that changed back on July 2nd, 2021. Can you bear with us what happened? So I had my one and only Moderna shot. It was later in the day on that day, I believe. The next day I felt okay. I mean, I didn't really think about it.

I was really anxious about having it because I really did not want to have this thing. And then the morning of the 4th, July 4th, I woke up to go for one of my 20K runs. I was actually meeting some people. So this is, I think, an important point. you're actually getting dressed. You got your running gear on for a 20 kilometer run. Like so when you said earlier

like every other day, like you're going to, you're just about to run for 20 kilometers. Yeah, running to me was like breathing. It kept me alive. Like just dissolved any trauma or anything in my life. I just run, right? But that morning

I remember I went to reach for a glass of water like this and I felt this popped in the back. of my head and I remember thinking oh God what fresh hell is this but I knew right away that was having a stroke and then I lost my sight like I you have to imagine this I couldn't see so I'm in a condo by myself and I lost my ability to walk instantly like instantly and I had to find my way out of the condo I managed to get my phone in my hand and you know how there's an emergency button on the phone I just kept

hitting it and um i was just my my thought was to try to get to the lobby because we had concieres in the building but it was ridiculous like i couldn't walk so i got into the hallway and i i couldn't crawl either like i could not move and i started dragging myself and i don't remember a lot of this like that's the thing i don't remember talking to people i don't remember so much of it. I fell into the neighbor's door. And, you know, this young man, I think I traumatized him, but I just told him I'm having a stroke. I just had a COVID shot. Cognitively, I was very aware, but I was slurring my words. So I said, I'm not high. You know, I was really, really thin. I was super ripped. So I said, I'm not strung out on drugs. I don't have COVID. And then his mom,

thank God, was there. And she called 911 right away. And then I, um, started projectile vomiting, and it was the type of stroke I had. That's why I was throwing up. I had a severe cerebellar stroke, and I don't remember almost anything after that. I remember... Can I just slow you down? What was the emotional experience? Like, you're describing us the physical, but what...

Do you know what? I didn't even put a thought to that. Like, now when I... Like, speaking about it today is there's a lot of trauma, obviously. I remember, I do remember the woman like stroking my hair and she's going, oh, please don't die, sweetheart, please don't die. Because I guess she thought I was going to die. And I do remember the paramedics coming and they, because I was so fit, they're like, okay, let's see you walk. And I think that was very clear that wasn't going to happen.

And then when I, I think I was just in and out of it all day. Like I got to, I was in the ER. I remember five doctors, head of VGH, like Vancouver General Hospital Stroke Clinic. She came in and spoke to me. There was just a whole bunch of them. It's telling me I'd had a really severe stroke. And I thought, okay, you know, I just, I can't describe stroke to anybody because it is beyond what you can imagine.

There's just no way to put into words when you've had a stroke like at that capacity, right? I think I told you on the phone when I woke up, it was dark out. And my daughter, my oldest daughter was there. I was in the ICU. I remember trying to act all normal like, you know, no big deal. Mom's in the ICU. I was trying to make it better for, you know, because I can. imagine how traumatizing that was for her. And I don't think she realized I couldn't see. So I couldn't

see her, but I could hear her. And I thought it was just an hour later, but it must have been, like you pointed out, it must have been late at night. So I must have been out for hours. But when I woke up, I mean, I was naked. There was just tubes attached to me, monitors everywhere. And I thought, well, you know, this is, it's hard. Like, you kind of in massive denial. Because I thought, yeah, just give me, you know, a couple of weeks I'll probably be, you know, I just couldn't comprehend. And that was the beginning of the nightmare, right? And then I went, I was in the ICU because I had a brain hemorrhage three days later, which is called a hemorrhagic transformation.

So it's when you bleed around the original stroke site. And that set me back quite a bit. I think, you know, then everyone kind of started whispering and this neurosurgeon was like, oh, no big deal. go in there and stop the bleed, like he was very matter-of-fact about it. But then eventually I got moved to, I think, like a step-down kind of acute care neurology floor. And then eventually I went to Jeff Strong Rehab Hospital in Vancouver. And if you end up at Jeff Strong, you have had a catastrophic injury.

It's like, yeah, it's like the most depressing place because everybody is so severely injured. and I started learning how to walk again. I couldn't look after myself. I was catheterized. I couldn't use the washer on my own. When I got to GF, that was finished with, but it was still, I was in a wheelchair. I know it's hard you look at me.

Like, I think Dean mentioned that, that we all appear, a lot of us just to be totally fine, but it was, the whole thing is just catastrophic. It's like, and then I had less than a month later, I had three more blood clots and ended up back in the ER and another brain hemorrhage. The original doctor that saw me, I remember her whispering like, oh, what is she doing back in here? And I remember yelling at her going, well, because you kind of didn't address the real reason I'm in here. It was a giant white elephant everywhere I went. Like at GF Strong, nobody was talking about it.

Not one doctor addressed it. The head stroke doc at BGHH did tell me in private that she would lose her license if she spoke about it. I said, but you're willing to let me die, right? I just want to be clear so that the head stroke doctor. Yes. At which hospital? VJH. At Victoria General Hospital.

It was Vancouver. Okay. Yeah. I had more strokes in Victoria General, too. Right. That's my confusion. I'm laughing about it. It's so ridiculous when you think about it.

is telling you verbally. So like face to face, yeah, this is vaccine injury. Yeah, but she said she couldn't talk about it. And everyone would whisper. It was actually the CT guys, the first few days when I was in the ICU and they were taking me down, like in one of those giant nets because I couldn't walk, right? It's like a giant hammock because they can't lift you. They were whispering all the time that you're like the seventh person this week. That's super physically fit. They were seeing it. They were seeing young people like me. well, youngish at the time, maybe not so much anymore, but that were injured and young, like super athletic people especially.

And I said, why are we all whispering? Like I had no idea. I was so naive about what was going on. Like, so naive. And, I mean, why would I think otherwise? Like, you know, I just thought some of these people must have your back, right? But no, it was crazy. And ultrasound scanners.

MRI people, they were the ones that were telling me what they were seeing. You know, and it's hard to fathom. Like for anybody listening to this outside of the people that are injured, I understand. It is really hard to fathom the level of, I don't even know what to call it. It's like this evil. It's like levels of corruption. And the medical doctors that were willing to speak to me about, it was always when there was no one else in the room.

And the stuff they put in my medical files are so. so redacted. Like, it's not even truthful. Like, they just, they redacted my entire medical file from VGH Hospital. Um, yeah, the level of corruption you kind of uncover, like, it's just sort of, it's so beyond, like, I live in a completely different reality. Like, I'm in some other reality with all these other injured people. And it's like, you, you better be strong to deal with this mentally because it is like so hard to comprehend. There's literally no one has your back. And like Michelle was saying, the medical gaslighting is so beyond belief.

Like you feel like you're in the twilight zone constantly, you know, and you literally can't get any help. So I went a couple of years where I only saw one doctor at GF who I had, you know, I respect hugely because he just stood by my side. He was, I think he was scared because I literally had no one following me medically at all. Like no one doing follow-up MRIs. Like they did the bare minimum you do with stroke, but that was it. And then like I said, I moved to Victoria last year trying to go back to my job.

They told me I would never work again. I have CPP disability and I have a permanent disability tax credit. But I was so determined. I thought, I'm just going to try. I wanted so much to just have some type. of normalcy in my life again. Like something that I used to do, and this lovely woman in Victoria that owns three clinics,

she was supposed to hire me before this all happened. She said, let's just give it a go, you know? So I was going to work one day a week on two people, and then I had three more strokes, and it was shocking to me because I thought, okay, maybe I'm past this, right? But I hadn't had an MRI in three or four years, like zero medical follow-up.

And they had found there was all these blood clots in my head, ones I didn't even know I had. So I've been having strokes and they were smaller strokes. But people have to understand I had so much deficit from the first major strokes I had. It's very hard unless it's super obvious. Like then I couldn't tell was I worse or, you know. Can we talk about that? Because today, I mean, you've gone from running 20 kilometers every other day. now you walk with the cane.

Yes, and I got to the point where I almost could ditch my cane when I moved to Victoria, and I worked at, oh my God, it was just a full-time job. I was doing a program up at UBC with kinesiology students, and you know, you have to understand, too, that a lot of the, a Sarah Bellar stroke is actually quite rare. Apparently it's like 1% of the population, and I had three of them in that same area. So even the physios at GF Strong didn't really know how to rehab someone like me. I wasn't your typical stroke patient.

And I just want to focus you because I just want you talking about your limitations today. So my limitations today. So like I said, when I had more strokes living in Victoria, there's zero medical help on the island. So it took me five months to see their stroke doc. But because I had had this happen over and over again, I kind of knew I had to just get right back. into dragging myself out walking, doing what I could do. You have to keep moving. You have to be physically active when you've had a stroke.

That's where being an athlete like that saved my mind because I was able to have enough strength to get out of a wheelchair. But yeah, so now after those strokes, that has slowed me down a lot. So now I have to use a cane. The fatigue from the strokes is beyond the leap. It's not like anything you can imagine.

Like, it's, I don't know how to describe that. Like, that's the invisible part you don't see. Because, you know, I'm animated. I'm like, you know, I have a huge sense of humor when I'm talking. I probably, especially to my family, I make myself look like I'm pretty good. Don't worry about me. It's okay. I'm okay.

But the reality is, is that I'm exhausted. Like, I'm exhausted by the mental stress. of this, I'm exhausted by the physical, like, learning to walk again and care for yourself. Like, some of the doctors I've met, they just don't know why I'm here. They just don't know how I'm not dead. Because I have had almost, I think, 12 strokes now. I'm going back to Vancouver next week to have another MRI because I haven't had one in a year.

I had a stroke in January, and they didn't, nothing. They do nothing. They've told me now they don't even know. They won't do anything anymore. They're not going to do anything. else, right? I can't take blood thinners because if I take blood thinners, my brain bleeds. And that's because of the nature of the clots I'm having. They're unique to this shot. You know, I had one doctor in Victoria, and I won't say his name, who's helping people.

He's a young internal medicine doc, and my heart goes out to him. When I met him, I was more concerned about him. Because, yeah, he's, you know, he's just been put through the ringer. And I just, I want to focus you again on a couple of things. things so because I just want people to appreciate it's not just walking yeah I mean like washing your hair is difficult I can't this hand I have severe a taxi in it like I can't I have no smooth movement in this hand this one's normal but that seems like not a big deal but it doesn't coordinate with the rest of my body and my leg does the same thing so when I'm walking or I smash dishes a lot because things are just whacking around all the time but I make it look easy because I'm so focused like

everything I do is probably 100,000 times more difficult than anybody else. I've learned not to pick things up with my left hand because I can't. And this hand's totally numb. Like this whole right side of me is numb and tingly, and it's probably from the brain bleeds because they extended outside the cerebellar area. So it affected not just my left, but my right as well. And I can't feel my feet very well when I'm walking. And I can only wear bloodstone boots, which sounds this.

hysterical, but I learned to walk in those so my brain doesn't recognize like a different pair of shoes. I can ride a bike. And so everyone thinks, oh, wow, she's good. I can ride a bike, which is kind of fascinating because of the strokes I had. My center of gravity is different on a bite. It's terrifying. I mean, I've smashed. I've crashed so many times, you know, but I'm determined to do it because I find with the strokes I've had, it might just be sheer stupidity on my part, but I'm I pushed myself through it. So it's the only way to get better from stroke. Like, you can't be fearful of the rehab portion of it.

But it is, it's brutal. It's like, it's like some weird dream. I don't have pictures of that because I didn't want to be videotaped. Like when I was at GF. Strong, it was just, it was, that was tough to look at, you know. I'm just going to cut you short again and ask you one last question. Of course. with impies, I'll have questions for you. Why is it important for you to be here today and share your story?

You know what? It's important for, I've shared my story many times, and I'm very open about it because, you know, I'm walking, I look pretty impy, people ask me, they always think I've had my hip replaced. I'll tell them what's happened. And most of the time it's like deer cotton headlights, right? It's like, well, they don't want to talk about this, right?

but there were people that I've met on this journey that literally don't have a voice. Like one of my good friends, I won't say his name at GF, he has aphasia from strokes. He can't speak at all. And clearly I can speak. So I want to speak for on behalf of him and all injured people. There's people here who have been with me the last day or so that because of lack of, you know, time. they're not speaking but i want to speak for those injuries because you know what i have injuries that are obvious like you can look at an MRI you can see all the clots these people that don't even

have that type of you know black and white kind of situation there i just feel my heart goes out to them i can't even get any kind of help right like what has happened to me is a death sentence that is the reality like i literally have a death book at home i've got like like where I'm going, what I'm doing, my passwords to stuff, because I can die. Like, I can have a stroke right now. And you guys are going to have to deal with that. But it's happened so many times to me that I never know when it's going to happen, how it's going to happen.

I can just be just sitting there having a cup of tea. I had a stroke, right? So that's the reality I live under every single day. And do I think anything's going to come out of this? I don't know. I appreciate, Dean, that you're, you're. doing this, it's huge. And for you showing up to this is important. And you, of course, Sean, it was wonderful to meet you. But I don't know that it's going to go anywhere. And everything

Michelle said about that vaccine injury support program, and that thing is a colossal joke. I mean, they've asked me now to redo my appeal, you know, because they don't have, they've lost it. No, I'm not going to, I am not going to do this again. No. I, you know, the, you know, amount of the work you have to put into. And I live alone. I'm by myself. Like I had to do all of this by myself, all of it, the rehab process of it, all of it. And I'm okay with that. I'm tough, but I'm not going to do the appeal again. I'm not even going to bother, but I want you to know how bad that program is. Like, it's beyond bad. Like, I can't even describe this. Anyway, I'm here also, like I said, to maybe make a difference. I don't know.

just because I want the MPs to have an opportunity to ask you. Okay, thank you. Thank you. Thank you for being here to testify and tell your story. You said you had one vaccine. One, I had a Moderna, yes. We were worried about getting the vaccine before you got it? Yeah, I didn't want to take it.

You didn't want to take it? No, absolutely not. What changed your mind and made you take? There was a lot of things going on in my private life that I won't speak about, that I wanted to be financially stable as I was. moving through that and I was good at what I did and I could have done it for many years especially with how physically fit I was and then that was taken from me but it was mainly to keep my job yeah and I also worked full-time in Winnipeg at a clinic and I couldn't

get on a plane to do my job right it was almost all that because I just thought this is insane like an emergency use authorization authorization for a shot that no you know it's It's just one thing to do that, but to mandate it was a huge issue for me. And where I made the biggest mistake was trusting the media even slightly, because I thought I would have seen more injury. Like I was so naive back then, but I'm not anymore. You know, I had to go down that, take that lid off Pandora's box. I think a lot of people feel the same way with not wanting the vaccine, but.

in order to have a daily life where you go to work, keep your job. It was mainly for work and to see my children in Winnipe and my grandson at the time. I feel your pain. I was in construction. I couldn't. I live in Brunswick. Yeah. I had projects in Nova Scotia and P.E.I.

Right. And we weren't allowed to cross the border into Nova Scotia. Yeah. When you had jobs, have to get finished. We had to, I had to get the vaccines in order to keep working. So I feel your concerns and why you had to be. get it? Well, it was the one time of my life I didn't analyze things to death either.

I just thought, okay, I'm just going to go with it. I'm just going to do this. I'll be the guinea pig. Let's see what happens and it did not end well. I mean, you know, it's, you know, like I said, it's, it's, like, thank God I have a huge sense of humor because I just think back on it and I just think, it's, it's, it's, you can't even write, make this stuff up, like, you know, and, um, luckily Sean Rainey me in because yeah there's just so much more to that story but yeah I it is

unfortunate because we leave it up to the medical professionals to tell us it's safe and then when we hear the stories over and over and over again that it wasn't safe for everyone I didn't believe it was safe actually but that's where you know if I could go back in time but I can't because you know this is this is my path right now here I am you know It's just very surreal. It doesn't seem like this is something that I'm going to do. But like I appreciate you're here and the ones that have showed up.

And I just think, well, what can you do going forward? Like, what do you see yourself doing going forward to? Well, I've had meetings before. Yeah. Before we, Dean asked me about the inquiry. Right. And I've met with some doctors that don't want their name to be told. I've met with funeral directors that tell us about what they deal with with blood clots in their profession.

And I've met with people like yourself that have been through the process with injuries and they seem to hit roadblocks and can't get anyone. So I think for us as MPs, we've got to take these stories and go back and talk to the other MPs and bring it forward for everyone. And it's great that there's so many independent media that's here this week to tell them. to tell us your stories and get it out to the to the public to let them know I got a couple more questions sure how does it affect your affected your family through the process do you know what at that time because at the end of the day family everybody relies on family when they get in tough situations you know it's it's funny like I know they're hugely supportive I don't want to

for them but I sometimes wonder like everybody took those shots my family took those because when I was in the ICU the doctor were constantly telling them that you know you gotta protect your mom she's you know like so yeah everybody had these shots and I worry every day about them it's it's funny like my family's almost really silent about it my sister was the only one who didn't take the shot in our family and you know like she said she felt she had more of a choice she was retired. She lived in a small town. She didn't have to travel. Anna, she was able to make that choice.

I'm sorry, I have to catch you up. Yes. To bring another witness in. For sure. I don't want to be that person to tell someone at the end of the day. You can tell me to shut up. Oh, no. You know what? I think the... Thank you for your questions. This is being streamed around the world. Yes. And I think the entire world appreciates your sense of humor and your courage.

You sit here with a smile. and very courageous. And yet you've shared with us a journey that shows a real depth of character and we're honored. Thank you. I appreciate it. I appreciate being chosen to come and speak. So our next witness is Cameron Hitchcock.

And Cameron, will you take the Bible in your right hand? Cameron Hitchcock, do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? So help you go. I do. I just want to and you've already told me this

so I'm just stating it as a fact but you did not have COVID before what you're going to describe happened and just to introduce you before we have you share your health journey and you're 35 years old so when this happened you're like 30 31 30th birthday I got my first symptoms

okay you have a business analyst degree, you were employed as an inventory coordinator for supply chain. Basically, your expertise is in supply chain administration. Your help before the vaccination, you had no health concerns. You were on no medications and no restrictions. And so, like not even a med. So you're just like a 30-year-old van.

Yeah. 29, actually, at the time. 29, yeah. And just going on, hard worker doing your thing. Can you, and you're one of the few people that even the vaccine injury support program agrees this is vaccine injury. I never had the medical professional push back against my question. Right. So you're an exception here. Is every doctor that touches you says this is vaccine injury? No. Every doctor that touched me says, I would bring them the medical literature and they would say it's plausible, right?

Okay, well, this is interesting. Share. Well, we'll get back to that, because it's part of the story that there's resistance out there. But can you share with us what happened with your, and I have to stop? Yeah. You're on dialysis six days a week. Every other day. Every other day now.

You actually, we tried to schedule you to testify yesterday, but you couldn't. Correct. And that's because you don't live in Ontario or Ottawa. You had to arrange with the dialysis clinic here in Ottawa. to do dialysis because it's necessary for you to stay alive. And they scheduled you for yesterday when we wanted you to testify yesterday. Yeah, but I think I was, I think there was like a mis-scheduling. I think I thought I was going in the morning.

So that's why I told Ottawa Hospital 130 would be a good time. So we worked around it. Either way, I would have had to be here for two nights anyways. Right. But I'm just, I think it's important for everyone watching you to understand that when you travel, you have to make arrangements for a dialysis clinic to give you dialysis when you travel. It's part of your commitment to coming here today was having to make those arrangements. Yes.

Okay. So you get your second Pfizer shot, either was June 22nd or 23rd of 2021. Can you tell us what happened? So you wanted me to tell you. like when I first got sick. Yeah, like start at the beginning and just share your journey with. It was three weeks after my second dose. And I woke up, like I said, on my 30th birthday with a swollen face and a horse voice.

I didn't think much of it. I thought I was getting old. I go into work. And one of my pill workers, he insists every day that I'm getting sicker and sicker. And no one else believes them. I've been wearing a mask, a 95 mask at work. It's to be safe. And then I go home on the Friday afternoon,

we work half day Friday, and I could see the indentations of my socks and my feet when I took them off. So that's strange. And then the next day, it gets worse. My swelling gets worse. My feet are bigger. I go to the clinic.

They check me for blood clots, but they can't figure out what it is. It's if it gets worse, sort of the ER. So I'm just going to slow you down. Your feet are swelling to the point where you feel the need to go and get medical attention. Correct. Okay. And then later on, I try to take my dog for a walk.

I can't get down my short street. So I'm like, okay, well, I guess this is getting worse. It's time for the ER. I go in. They take about 14 vials of blood, urine tests. Doctor comes back and he's like kind of weeping and he says, is your kidneys are leaking protein. You have something called nephrodic syndrome.

And I didn't really know what that means. So yeah, they x-rayed my chest, do more tests, more blood work. Quarter of a liter of fluid. That's my first IV I've ever had. And then I kind of sit there dumbfounded. I'm like, I asked the nurse, this bad. She's kind of crying. And she says, yeah, your kidneys are important.

go this seems bad. It haven't been the next day for more testing. Put me on Lasix pills. Send me home, say your GP has to quarterback this care. Then it gets worse. I start filling up more. And I'm like, okay, I'm just going to wait for my doctor's appointment. My sister says, no, you need to go back.

I said, I got the pills. They saw me. They've done everything. He says, no, they can do more for you. get in words. So she takes me back. This time I go to triage, same same nurses there. I'm just going to slow you down. You had actually, you'd gained about 40 pounds by then, right? Not yet. Oh, not yet. It was still slowly building, but at this point, I had still, was able to pass urine with Lasix. I go back, the same triage nurse sees me. Luckily, she sees that I'm blowing up

like a balloon. And then this is COVID. The ER is relatively full, the waiting room. I think we're waiting five minutes before they bring me back in. So I skipped the line in the triage. They send me in. They want more urine. And I'm in there for a few minutes.

I come out. I say, I can't. I can't. So that was the last time. That was the last time I did that naturally. So they were kind of expecting that. And then I spend the day there on a Lasix infusion. They basically tell me if the Lasix infusion doesn't work, it's more effective.

You're staying. If it's not, we'll send you home tonight, but you're going to be checked into Oakville Hospital tomorrow to be monitored by the nephrologist. So luckily, I did that day. I was able to, and I go home, and at that point, I'm only urinating with Lasix. So basically, within a week of my 30th birthday, I haven't passed urine naturally. And so, yeah, they basically, that was in the Georgetown ER. And then they basically checked me into Oakville Hospital the next day and tell me just to drive there and expect to stay three nights. to prepare for a renal biopsy and an ultrasound.

So you go there. But nobody checks into a hospital for a biopsy. I found that out later, so it was worse than I thought. So what happens? I get to the hospital. They run a 24-hour urine test to check for how much protein I'm spilling into my urine, which is possible because they also added something called albumin, which helps me. Albumin and the LASICs helps me urinate because the alviumin is the protein that's in your blood that I'm spilling.

So they do that test and the first one comes back at 90 grams of protein. They get concerned at 300 milligrams and they've never seen 90 grams. So the suspicion was that it was off the chart, it was either off the charts or it was a misread. So they do it again later in the month and it's 35 grams. It's a lot of protein. And then, yeah, at this point, that's when I'm up to 260 pounds. So I just want to interpret. So your kid, this protein's not supposed to be in your blood anywhere near these levels.

So that means your kidneys are failing. Yeah, they're scarred. I had minimal change. I had neprotic syndrome. So there's protein spilling out of my blood into my, into my urine. Okay. How long are you in the hospital? They said three days.

I was there for five months with two. They released me twice to try to get me home and, I guess, help in that sense. And then monitored, but I kept going back. I kept getting worse. So what happens to you mentally when you're spending five months in the hospital? Well, I was on, after the biopsy, they diagnosed me with FSGS. Excuse me, they diagnosed me with minimal change disease, which can be treated with prednisone. I've heard from a lot of nurses that it's a miracle.

You've heard in situations like that and you take the prednisone and one day your kidneys turn back on because it eliminates the inflammation. So they put me on 60 milligrams of prednisone, which has significant psychological effects, a bit of a lightweight, so it affected me quite a bit. It gives you mood swings. It causes, like, there's a whole, it affects your whole body. And I was also on LASICs continuously.

So you combine those two things. And I was, I just was thirsty. Like, I've never known thirst like that in my life. And I wasn't allowed to drink much water because obviously I wasn't getting rid of it very fast with the LASICs and the algae. So I was, I was extremely thirsty. I've heard someone on the CBC describe, I guessed on the CBC said that they've heard that a high dose of prednisone is similar to something like speed.

It's a very powerful drug. So I was in there the whole time. You know, it was just a terrible experience. It was a nightmare. But the whole point of the prednisone, like I said, the reason why they were doing this was because the only other way to get the fluid off with dialysis and dialysis to kill your kidney function.

And at this time when you're in the hospital, I mean, you basically have lost your ability to move. Can you share with us what that experience was like? That progressed during the five months. I could walk at a certain point they weren't sure if the lack of mobility was from the Lasix pulling the potassium out of my blood. So there was some problems of mobility then. But then at a certain point, this is my third discharge between my third and fourth admission. We're talking around Canadian Thanksgiving in October. I wake up one morning and I can't sit up.

And eventually an ambulance is called and the paramedics strap me to a skid chair, like a sit-up. set up stretcher and they get me out of my house. Now I can't even walk to the transfer from the stretcher from the chair to the to the stretcher. So they have to bear hug me and then bring the stretcher behind me and then put me on the stretcher to the ambulance. I'm just going to pull up two photos because around that time you start getting blistering on your feet. Can you share? I took that picture the night before I, I woke up unable to move.

That's just, that's what nephrodite syndrome does. That's when you can't pass urine and the fluid just stays in your body. I was drowning in the body, basically. Okay. So when you're talking about swelling feet, I mean, we all have a picture in our minds, but this is what it looked like. Yeah. So, and my understanding is this, well, let's flip to the next, next photo. Can you share with us what this is showing? So this is after I'm admitted to Georgetown again. What happened was, I'm not sure if you have the other one where there's the compression sock on it, but I forget why there was a bandage on my foot and then on both feet and then the compression sock.

And it was causing a lot of pain, so it was pushing food out of my feet. And then basically we got, the nurse came in and he took them off, but he said, looks like there's basically a tourniquet on your feet right now. And he said, I can cut this off or I can pull it off and be in meeting stupid. I said save the socks, pull it off, which was worse. And then it pushed all this fluid out of my feet. And then the next night, all that fluid still, it was like pushing back into my feet. And I was screaming in pain all night.

I had to take pain meds. That's the only time I accepted any kind of strong pain meds in the doctor and the nurse. but yeah so then the fluid ended up pushing back into my foot and it was just the most pain it was very painful sure and then then you ended up loose in your kidneys yeah so um they gave me lots of chances they ran this lacyx albumin um they they were they added cyclospore and another just hopefully uh solved the problem um and um and And then finally they said, we can't get this fluid off without dialysis like this isn't working. You're not responding to the steroids, steroid resistance.

So that's when the nephrologist came in and with the hospital doctor who have had before, which was good. And she, and they kind of just said, like, we're done, we're going to dialize you six days a week. something we missed here was that you can see there's a spot there. When I was being transferred again, my feet leaned against the ambulance and caused blistering, and then the wound care specialist nurse came in to see me to deal with them because they were turning black almost. And he said he's never seen something like that. He would have come immediately if we understood what they looked like. And then he had said he had to call it around.

He came back with a plastic surgeon and they started just, I think it was over 30% of the surface area in the feet. They had to cut it off on the bedside. And yeah, that was a little, I heard a little bit. And then I was, I had wound care for the next two months on that feet, the daily, they had to reband. I just need to focus us because we have limited time and then we want them to ask you questions. So they start dialysis, which then that's the death now for your kidneys. So your kidneys shut down. Yeah.

You've been on dialysis now for a long time. It's necessary for you to survive. And you're on a transplant list to get kidneys. Yeah. But when I was interviewing you earlier, you made it clear, you know, even if I get a kidney transplant, I know I'm going to be on dialysis again. Yeah. I'm on the deceased donor list.

So they say the average for that is 12 years. So I'm like, it doesn't even get me to 50, but then, and then so yeah, then I'll be waiting again or on dialysis. Hopefully they figured out something better than what we have now, but yeah, it's just kind of, you expected that it's eventually going to fail. Because the way transplant works is the you have to take medication, that is also nephrotoxic if it hurts the kidney and your body is always trying to reject it too so you take this anti-rejection meditation that eventually does a kidney

thank you those are my questions thanks for being here yeah through the whole process as those any of the doctors acknowledge that they had to do with the vaccines like i said So when I first was like going to Oakville, I call it a lot of my close friends, and one of them looked it up already. He was like, this is, nephrodite syndrome is like a lot of peer-reviewed literature reporting it after after vaccination. The European Union was investigating it. Like it was this, like there were governments on this, that people were getting this.

And then so I brought that to different doctors and I would talk to the nurses about it when I was admitted and like one doctor even came back he took time out of his day to print off some medical literature for me to look at to suggest that that's that that was that was suggesting this right have you applied to the vaccine yeah i was approved um i had a panel of of three doctors unanimously agree that this was that's what this was um i had a doctor because you can have a doctor apply with you i had a doctor that was good enough to do that So, yeah. Sounds like you're one of the lucky ones.

How was the process with the program? It's terrible. I went on a medical leave to train for home hemodialysis. I was on parathenial dialysis most of the time until my nurse told me to go to the ER because I was getting bad. I wanted to do it at home. More dialysis, it's healthier, it's safer. more freedom. So I contacted Visp my caseworker and I told her this was happening. I said, I need this time off. What's the process? She told me all the process. I followed it. I sent her

all the documents from HR, from my doctor, everything. I get a message, an email two weeks into my leave saying, oh, you're not eligible until we get a letter from your, from your HR after you're done your leave, and then we'll process it. It takes on a month to process things. So I was going to get paid for another month after I got back to work. I hadn't applied for EI yet because they told me that I was going to get my 90% from VIST. So then I apply for EI. I call EI. And I say, I have this pending payment from VIST coming. Because I had that discussion with EI, they put a hold on my EI, so I didn't get any money from EI, from sickness EI or VSP, the whole time I was off training, ended up cashing in some of my TFSA to get some money

because I wasn't getting anything from them. I got my EI after I got back to work, and then VIST told me in mid-March, we're just not going to process this anymore. So now applying through VIAP, public health and I still don't have anything for that. How long was the process from start to finish? How long did it take? Which process? To get approved from the time you apply. About a year and a half to get on VISP itself, a year, about a year and a half or so,

maybe two years. Well, thanks for being here to explain and all that. I think it's important to the people at home that are watching and the people that are here today listening to know what the process is for each individual case and how hard it is for the injured people to get the help they need. Thank you. And I just want to add to that, Cameron. And once again, thanks for being here.

I don't think what people to understand is that you went from viably working full-time and having a life to not actually being able to have an income. And not only do you not have the income, there's no support to have that program, to sustain your life. I mean, what people to understand is that when you can't work, you don't have to have have income. I was working until I'm on sickness EI now. I was working until June because balancing home hemo dialysis in work I was and have a two hour two hours of driving a day. I was getting like no sleep. So I was just existing to work on dialysis. So I find it was getting

dangerous. So I finally I finally asked VIAP again how does this work. They told me and then I told my boss and going on leave. And then finally they were like, oh, we can't tell you when, she called me back after I told my boss that. She said, oh, we can't promise you, we'll even look at this before the EI runs out. So we don't know when we're going to, we're going to actually start this income replacement. So she told me I had to go beg for LTD. And then basically, and then I called them while I was, since I've been on leave, where's my where's my application, what's happening with? They said, oh, you're in the queue, you're in the queue.

I called them twice. I called them again last week. And they say, oh, no, actually, we need you to fill in an application. And then I said, well, can you guys promise me? It'll be, can you guys tell me when it's going to be done? They're like, no. They still don't know when they're going to have this income replacement ready. And I mean, basically, my plan is to be on until transplant,

then I'll try to find another job or go back to work, right? So in the meantime, Cameron, so for those that don't know what LTE, it's long-term disability, right? Yeah. And that's through the company program that you had the insurance you had through your company. And I asked them, what happens if they deny my claim? And they said, oh, we don't know. You have to try to get on something else.

Right. So they're waiting for you to deal with that as a reason not to offer you. No, they're just telling me they have no timeline. They can't tell me when they're going to get it. There's no reason. Besides this, they don't have the manpower rate. I believe public health agencies in Canada had a layout of 200 people before they got this program. Sure.

But I meant to decide your insurance company is saying, we want you to deal with this first before we'll talk. No, my insurance company is just saying that has to do an administrative thing when my probation ended at work and when I'm eligible. I don't want to get into that too much. Okay, let's take a yeah. It's complicated. A little bit, yeah. Yeah.

I think people need to understand that. Yeah. It's not just an injury. It's like how do people replace their income. And it's also the medical system itself. Like, I know people have talked about it. But, like, there's been shift changes in the dialysis. clinics, at least that I'm aware of, that's

affected this negatively affecting all dialysis patients and the morale of the nurses. You know, I've heard stories of people like having their time shortened just to manage the logistics of it. You know, Canada has a whole problem where it's not just us. Like I've talked to people who are chronically ill, disabled, who are afraid to advance their careers.

because they say they feel like they found an employer that's going to accommodate them, and they're afraid to go get another job. As an institutionalized and tolerant of sick people in this country, you don't understand that until you're sick, right? Well, thank you. Thank you for sharing them. Thank you for coming good. So our next witness is going to be called by lawyer,

or Aryan, what he made. Is you can approach the bill, yes? Hello, Madam Barb. Leve the right. Rematine the arm on the bed, if you please. Is it

you affirming that all you will say is all the verthe, just the truth? Yes, the jury.

Yes, thank you. So, Madam Barb, you are a woman of 50 years today even?

Yes. Good a fight. Thank you. You have, you're a man of four children,

between 15 and 31 18 and you're an grand mother of six

pettis infant and a seventh nat ra in October So,

so before the pandemic you were an active

you have you have you were you were

you're service in the summer when the pandemic

was and you could you could to work at cause

of the confinement so you were recycled as a agent of security at this

time and you continue to do do manage to be menace,

continue to be women of services I believe yes so you were a

security guard in hospitals in long-term care homes you even

worked in vaccination clinics I believe You worked in grocery stores and you received three doses of Moderna. Is that correct? The first dose was October 16th, 2021. The second was the 13th of November 2021.

And the third dose was on the 17th of December 2021. Is that correct? Yes. So can you tell us why you chose to get vaccinated? I got vaccinated because my employer. required. So this was an employment condition at the time? Yes, it was. So I described you in very broad strokes, but could you tell us more? So could you tell us about the Natalie that was before vaccination? So Natalie before vaccination was a functioning human being.

I liked to help my neighbors, help my community. That was my strength of the time. I was an active member of society. I loved life. At the time, I was a single mom. I had one child. I had just bought a house and I was proud about. And I was a third worker.

I raised four children. You raised four children alone, is that right? No, I wasn't fully alone. I was with the father of the oldest ones for eight years. I was with the father of the youngest ones for 21 years. And now I'm happily married. You said that you loved being in the kitchen, that you entertained at your home.

Yes, I had a passion for cooking and a passion for dancing. As I said, I loved helping my community. I love being there for people. Service was what I loved. I offered customer service in my career. So when you received your vaccines, you worked as a security guard in vaccination clinics, and that's where you got your vaccinations.

Yes, I live in the Upper Gatno area. I'm originally from Gatno. So there was one vaccination clinic available. It was in Manuaki. And that's where I worked. I also worked at the hospital, at the long-term care home, and at the metro grocery store. So when you were offered a dose or when you went to get vaccinated, what were you told about potential effects?

Well, I was told I'd have a bit of redness at the site. I was told I might have a bit of a fever. I was told I might have muscle pain. So localized, yes, localized pain. And then what symptoms did you get? How long was it before you had symptoms? Well, after my dose, after which one? After the first dose, I had a bit of redness and local pain at the site.

And then I started to feel sick. I had a fever, a runny nose. And after your second dose, I had muscle. I had muscle pains. Second dose was the same. Before being vaccinated, I had COVID. I must apologize. After your first dose, you made parolet.

Your second dose, you told me earlier that you were very tired, that you had muscle pain, you had eye pain. Yes, I was sensitive to light. I was sensitive to neon lighting. I struggle with that. And you had troubled sleep. Yes, I had trouble sleep.

And your doctor prescribed muscle relaxance? Yes, I took medication for muscle relaxation and insomnia. But these were in rapid succession, many prescriptions. And so after your third dose, why did you get to the third dose? Well, my employer required us to be fully vaccinated. So they required that our proof of vaccination be provided, and that involved three doses.

And so at the time you worked in a vaccination clinic, and the nurses told you, well, why don't you get it now? Because you're going to need it eventually. Your employer will require it. Yes, that's how it worked. So we needed a full course of vaccination. We weren't offered the option of getting tested for COVID every three days. We were offered vaccination.

That's it. I was a single mom. I had a child. I just bought a home. And I couldn't afford to lose the job that I had. So I did get vaccine. It was an obligation for me. And I continue to pay the price of that today.

after your and after your and after dose number three you started to feel pressure in your chest yes that's correct my heart was beaten

but it's like it had it was restricted I felt pressure in my chest I don't really have the words to describe it properly and it's hard to talk because I have brain fog. I have so many illnesses that I'm discovering in my body. So we're

going to cover this gradually. So when you started feeling that pressure around your heart, you were a security guard in a hospital. And so you got tested for blood pressure. Yes, they tested my pressure. I was okay. And then they told you what, that you weren't sick. Yes. So I worked in the assessment room or near the assessment room. It was 10 steps or so away. It was easy for me to get checked out. I could easily go up to someone and say, I'm not feeling well. I feel a pressure in my chest. And the ladies who worked there took me in very easily and checked up everything. And they told me I was okay. So how did your situation deteriorate after that? So then I got COVID again. So you were sick with COVID at least three times after your three vaccination doses. Is that correct? Yes.

And so you told me earlier on that you got COVID so often that you were constantly febrile. And you had to take Paxlovid, in fact, to reduce that fever. Yes. The pharmacist did that. I called my doctor. I said I wasn't doing well, and my doctor said, well, you're in the worst part, and it had been two weeks. So you were fever out for two weeks? Yes, I had a high fever. I couldn't eat. I had to stay in bed. I had dry mouth, crusty mouth. I was dehydrated, of course. And then later on, as time kept passing, what other symptoms did you get?

So in 2022, I was experiencing a lot of muscle pain. I had no more strength in my arms or hands. You had carpal tunnel syndrome. Yes, and I underwent surgery for that, and I still have it. Three months ago, they operated again, the carpal tunnel, and I still have it. So you have what you call trigger fingers. I was told it was neurological, so they kept on operating. I also had stomach pain.

I have irritable bowel. And you told us that you vomit every day? Yes, three or four times every morning, continually every day. Then I went to my family doctor who'd been my doctor for over 40 years. I mentioned my symptoms because after dose number three, my feet were burning. It's as if my big toenail was going to explode off my foot because of the pressure I felt inside. I had sluggish hands. My feet were killing me.

I was vomiting. I experienced migraines. I had to go to the hospital and get an IV in order to treat the pain. I have blurred vision. I have vision loss. I also have an aneurysm. You mentioned to me that you also have a coordination issue between your brain and your body. So sometimes if you're happy, you might cry, you have no control over your body.

No, it's kind of like my body confuses emotions. I struggle to explain it. You say you experience facial paralysis as well? Yeah, sometimes my mouth is crooked. And one side of my face kind of droops. I also have stenosis. I have nerve nerve compressions. I have degenerative arthritis.

I have a neurological disorder. I have high fibromyalgia. That's everything they told me. And you stop menstruating? Yes, I stop menstruating. menstruating after the third dose. And I'm only 50 years old. That isn't long. And even then, this was five years ago. So you were younger. Yes, it was five years ago. They also told me I had Arnold's Maraudia. I had a condition that affected my jaw. I also have new symptoms that

crop up. And how were you received in the medical system? It was horrendous. I was abandoned. I was seeking answers, but I didn't get any answers. I had to do my own research. Together, we had to move forward, but I was left to my own devices, and I don't understand how my doctor, over 40 years, would ask me, well, what happened. He couldn't explain my symptoms. He said, I was a rare and complex case that it was difficult for him to know. I had hand surgery. I'm waiting to go to a hospital in Montreal. The request has been made, but it takes a long time. You say this because you don't have enough services in the Udoe region? That's right. I have to go to Montreal. So my chart ended up with a neurosurgeon.

And a month and a half ago, the neurosurgeon got in touch. I had been waiting since 2024. And so he sent requisitions for the infiltrations I needed. And in the public system, they didn't call me from January, 2025. And so I took matters into my own hands. I went to a service. to receive injections, a private service. I had to do that on my own.

So you had a neurosurgeon, and what did he say to you? A month and a half ago, he got in touch and said, Ms. Barb, you've been calling me a lot. And I said, yes, it's because I don't understand what's happening in my body.

I need help. And he said, I have to transfer you to a neurologist. I said, you've had my chart since 2024. And you've got to transfer me to a neurologist. you say? I don't get it. So I got an appointment with that neurologist. He didn't even know who had made the requisition to have me see him. I said which neurosurgeon it was and he said a neurosurgeon, and I said yes. So I spoke to the neurologist. I asked him to look at my photos because I'm not the same person now. I am unrecognizable to myself. I experienced shame.

I live in a very small community and it's hard for me. What's hard for you about living in a small community? Is it that everybody knows you? Everybody knows where you started and where you're at now. Is that what it is? Yes. It's hard for the people I love, for my children, for my husband. You showed me that you took a spike protein test and we've filed this

as evidence. It was negative for one thing, but it was positive for the spike protein. So what were you told about the result of that test? Well, I have a new doctor that took me on two months ago, and I asked the doctor, could you please help me? Could you send a requisition for a spike protein blood test? I know that I'm vaccine injured. And he said, sure, no problem. Finally, he really listened to me. That requisition, you can't get it anywhere. You have to find the right spot to get this blood test. And the doctors, they don't want to talk to us.

A rare and complex case in the Udaway is not attractive to a doctor. And so you were told by doctors that you just had to accept your new life. after multiple emergency visits at the hospital, I have doctors who were kind of jumping up and down. They were biting their nails. They were told, they would tell me, Ms. Barb, you're going to have to get used to your new reality. We won't be the same person again. You have to relearn how to walk. And at the hospital in Montreal, they can help you.

But how long am I going to wait? My symptoms continue, and I'm ashamed of them. I don't have a life anymore. I am disabled. My new doctor has a lot of paperwork to do for me. I have been approved by Reprette Quebec, the retirement body, since 2024. As disabled, yes, as a person with a disability.

My husband fills out my paperwork. I don't know if you're aware what it's like to go from being so active and alive to being dysfunctional. I am losing my autonomy, and I am seeking answers now. Why didn't they tell us? I would often ask, well,

is it the vaccine? And they say, no, no. And I would say, well, why no? And they'd say, because we can't prove it. And I'd say, well, why did it happen to me? After so many years, I have been able to prove that it was the vaccine. So why didn't they listen to me initially? But now I remain disabled.

They said that I have an H-24 active nervous system. I lost over 25 pounds. I wasn't able to eat this morning because it might have prevented me from talking. You were telling me that it's hard to even comb your hair, that it can trigger crises. Yes, I have a very sensitive scalp. My scalp is sensitive and even my skin. Nobody can touch me because I have a burning sensation. It's kind of like Arctic coal touching me.

I can't really describe it. It's a burning inside of me. My esophagus is also sensitive. I sometimes struggle to speak because I struggle to find breath. I'm going to stop here and let the MPs question you. Thank you very much. We're almost at a time. And so I just want to just say thank you so much.

Thank you. Thank you. For coming and sharing your story and what you're dealing with. We really appreciate it. I wish we had more time for questions. We appreciate going through the process to hear everything that happened, but we have to keep going, so we do appreciate you coming. Thank you.

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you very much, Madame Barb, d'ad. Thank you for coming, Ms. Barth. So our next witness is Michael Oakesh. Is Michael Osh? Michael, am I saying that correctly?

Okay, which do you prefer? Osh, okay, I'll keep it that way then. And can someone put the Bible in Michael's right hand? I would rather swear on the charters of rights and free. Well, we can't do that way. Either swearing on the Bible or we're affirming, and it makes no difference to us. I'll just affirmate. Okay, so Michael Osh, do you promise to tell us?

the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. I'm very pleased to have you here, Michael, and you're a very unusual person. And you knew I met that as a compliment. So just so that people watching Michael understand in 2002, where did you walk from and two? Okay, like walked. Okay, do we just hang on? Hang on.

Is his mic on, David? Okay, cool. Okay. So, and then in 2005, where did you walk to? Okay. Just wait. Mike isn't working, so we're going to start again. Can you hear me now?

Yeah. Okay. Let me, Chodar. Can you pull this around a bit and then pull it right around? And then push me in just a bit. Oops. there we go. Wheelchair accidents.

I'm insured, though. Yeah, well, we're not. So we'll start again. So Michael, because I just want everyone to hear, because I don't know how many people walk across this nation. More than you would think. Okay. But it's not that many.

So in 2002, you walk from Toronto to Labrador and back. Correct, around the St. Lawrence Valley. And then in 2005, you were telling us about your journey. At the time, I was working at the Hockey Hall of Fame for the CBC, doing hockey of people's history, the documentary. And that was the year of the Hockey Strike. And I quit my job at the Hockey Hall of Fame,

and I walked all the way to the Statue of Lord Stanley in Stanley Park. You know, many of us during the hockey strike, I think felt compelled to do desperate things, but not walk across the nation. So, yeah, and then, so you did film, television, tell us a book. Yeah, I was an artist. most of my life, film, television music, video editor, audio recording. I've done everything from rock videos to infomercials in my time.

And what was your health like before vaccination? I was completely healthy, working in my garden, semi-retired, working as a school bus driver, active walking my dog every day. A bit heavy than I should have been, but I was still in good health. And no, no medications. No medication at all. So David, can we pull up the first photo of Michael? So can he tell us about this photo? This is a photo walking out the North Shore of Quebec, taken by Monomé, Christiane Florea, a photographer from Montreal. And it's on my first trip walking out to Labrador. Okay. And David, do you want to pull up the next photo? That is March 30th, 2024 the day before I left to go on my trip to Vancouver.

Okay, walking. From Toronto to Vancouver. And there's people watching internationally. They don't, like how many, how many kilometers is that? From Toronto to Vancouver is roughly 5,000. From Toronto out to Labrador and back was 6,800. Okay. And here I thought you walked along this.

So, okay. So you're healthy, vibrant, really artists. and your genre was more video and film. What happens? Tell us about your vaccine journey. Well, when the pandemic happened, before we go any further, the first thing I want to say is I want to say

all my love to my wife, Saski, who cannot attend today. Without her during the past four years, I don't know where I would be. And although she can't attend today, I know she's watching, and I just want to send her my love. and let her know that as much it is that the injured people who get vaccine injured,

it's also the families that suffer. And I know she's suffered through this with me. And I want to acknowledge that and just say, I love you, Ducky. And before you go into the vaccine injured story, I also want to, if you can share with us your journey of how you got here into this committee room, because you've fundraised and you... I was very lucky that the documentary, that was done about me, why can't we talk about this?

Brought a lot of attention to me. And when I was mentioned that I was coming to the committee here, it's rather expensive journey for me to rent a wheelchair vehicle, a hotel that's capable of having wheelchair people, and my personal assistant, it's costing me almost $4,000 to be here today. And so you crowd fundraised for that? I'm very lucky that I have a lot of friends who want me to be here today and have raised enough money for me to be here.

And with that, the wheelchair vehicle that I rented is as large as a city wheelchair vehicle that you can have a five-seater with three wheelchairs can fit in it. And I've offered anyone who's here the ability to use that today. So if we're moving around later today, we're going to make sure they get there. Right. So you're actually helping some other people. Well, you know what, as bad as my condition is, it doesn't mean that I can't still be at service to others. And that's why I choose to live. I'll tell you just a personal story.

So you rent this wheelchair bus. And then you send an internal email basically saying, I'm offering anyone who needs a ride in southern Ontario. Yeah, in this bus. We're here today. Yeah, right, because you're doing some ferrying around. Well, I'm very lucky. I have a friend of mine who's a Darts disabled driver from Vancouver, and he's taken time off to be here today to help me

and also to help anyone else who needs help with a wheelchair. Yeah, so what I wanted to share with you is when my wife, Teresa, read your email, which it was in the evening, I think she wept for about two hours. She was so touched. And so you're setting an example for the rest of us that regardless of what our condition is, we're to love other people. Well, you know what? One of the things I live by now is the motto, taking the dis at a disability.

Okay. So do you want to share with us your journey now? Yes, I do. You know, starting at the beginning of the pandemic, my father-in-law and mother-in-law were in long-term care and assisted care. My parents were in retirement homes and the need to be a primary caregiver to them made me want to get the vaccine so that I could be there for them. And I did my first dose in 2020, late 2020, early 2021. I don't have the dates in front of me. I did a second dose in mid-2020. And then my third dose, which was a the Moderna vaccine in December of 2021. And then my fourth and final COVID vaccine

was done on the 10th of, sorry, the 13th of October of 2022. 36 hours after that, my legs started to drag. I was actually in my hometown of Waterford and I was coming back from Pumpkin Festival, which is the big festival in town. And I was walking with my grandda and my leg started to drag.

After walking for probably three or four kilometers around the town with all the events, walking home, I literally could not lift my leg. And my stepson basically shouldered me like you'd take a football player off the field all the way back home up the hill. And that was the beginning of the journey. You know, I went to my doctor the following Monday. day and the first thing she said was don't take another vaccine. She showed me on her computer some write-ups about how this vaccine was not what it says it was going to be and that she was going

to do everything she could for me. The following week, I mentioned I was a school bus driver. Driving home from my morning school bus run, I blacked out going down to going down Highway 24. Two of my wheels ended up on the dirt and I woke up. Luckily, I could stop the bus and pull it over. But at that point, my eyes were vibrating and shaking like it was an earthquake. And my ears were humming. It was rather unusual. If I turned my head this way, this air rang. And if I turned my head the other way, the other ear would ring. I waited for about five minutes and I was only about a kilometer from the bus depot. So I drove the bus home and went back to my doctor immediately after that.

At that point, we started looking at getting MRIs done. And two weeks later, we got an MRI. And we found that there was a lesion on my spine, about a quarter inch from my brain that was 2.8 centimeters. If you don't know, that is an incredibly large lesion to stretch across two vertebrae that close to your brain. My neurologist later said that he's never seen a lesion that size that wasn't a result of an impact. And he said, I'm lucky to be alive.

You know, at that point, the fatigue had set in, but I still had enough mitochondrial energy to continue to walk for a bit. I couldn't run. I couldn't do anything really that took a lot of physical endurance, but I was still able to move around. In March and March and April of that year of 2023, I got critical steroids done, two large doses. And I felt like Ben Johnson. I could get up. I went out, I went picking strawberries in my yard,

but it only lasted about a week. And then the deterioration started setting in. The fatigue kept coming. Migraines, so intense, that I actually had put ice on the back of my neck to the extent that I was getting frostbite on my neck. That's what I had to do to get rid of the pain. The spasm started happening in my legs.

And it was pretty intense. At that point, I could still get up and at times pull myself up the steps and drag myself with a walker. but by October a year in, I was hospitalized for the first time. And at that point, it was funny because I went to the hospital, and I remember this doctor in the emergency room coming up, and he said, you're a vaccine injured? I said, yes.

And he handed me a note that had the artist's protocol on it, bromoline Q10 and all the things that are on the artist. And he said, here, do this, but don't tell anyone that I gave it to you. You know, that's kind of the ongoing story. The doctors wanted to help me. You know, my GP, six months after I got injured, she closed her practice here in Canada.

And what I know now, she's actually back in Africa, practicing medicine there. So she left Canada as opposed to continuing on treating. So many of my doctors believe this was a COVID vaccine injury, but they were afraid to write it down. You know, the ability to write that down. Eventually, I'm sure, is what made Visp deny my claim, one of the reasons. But the magnitude of the pain kept getting worse. By year two, July of 2024 at this point, I was having experienced spasms seven hours a night. Imagine someone driving a nail spike into your sciatic nerve every 30 seconds for seven hours every night. The pain, you said I'm an unusual person and that's the truth.

When I walked over the Rockies, by the time I got to the Rockies walking over Canada, I had shin splints and planterfaciitis and I lost three toenails. And I walked over the Rockies. You know what? I carried a smile on my face through that. I learned that pain is inevitable and suffering is optional. And the only way I could get through those spasms that I was having was to actually embrace the pain to the point where I could go through it for seven hours. Every 30 seconds, my leg would shoot with pain from my sciatic nerve. My leg would straighten out and it felt like lightning bolts were coming out of my.

toes. The fatigue, just the most simplest thing, having a conversation for 10, 20 minutes was enough to make me fatigued to the point where my body would get stiff. And you'll notice that right now, you see I can kind of straighten my hand. By the end of this interview, my hands will be totally clenched. I won't be able to open them. My shoulders will be pushed more in and the fatigue will come. I probably need to rest and meditate for an hour after session. And fatigue is something I think we all, as vaccine injured people, we suffer. And the byproduct of it, whether it's neurological, like in my case, cardiovascular, like in other cases, or respiratory or tuberal cancers, they're all the side effects. But I believe that the base of long

COVID is a mitochondrial dysfunction. And for me, that is how I have approached this disease. You have to understand that after being in the hospital two years ago, the only option for me was long-term care. And I was shipped off to a long-term care. I want to first of all say that all the PSWs work at St. Joseph Villa, where I currently stay, they're a blessing. The work they do, I know I couldn't do it. and I'm very grateful for all that they've given me. But at the same time saying that, I'm in long-term care. I've been denied the ability to go to neural rehab twice in two different neural rehabs

because my condition is not acute enough. It's too long since the original injury for them to consider me. So you're saying that because it's taken too long, you can't get that care, but there was a time when it wasn't too long. Why didn't you get care of them? The thing about it is for neural rehab, they want someone at three to six months from the initial injury.

Well, six months into the injury, I could still walk. It took me two years to get to the point where I couldn't walk. The mitochondrial energy in me continues to fade lower and lower to the point where basically a year ago in June,

I was laying in my hospital bed and I was unable to move. I could not open my hands. I could not move my hands. And literally I thought I would be dead within the next three months. But I want you to talk about because you've, outside of the medical system, you've done some things that have actually allowed you to improve so that you could be here today. Can you speak about those?

Because I think there's a lot of people out there that may not understand that there's other things that may be of some assistance. I totally concur with that statement. Allopathy has nothing for me, where in most of my cases, naturopathy is my key to healing. I'm very lucky that I have a friend, Tiffany, who came to my bedside last June and brought me something called augmented NAC. and NAC, NAC, Nacetalcystine, is known to help release the spike protein from the ACE2 receptors of the body. There's other things like nicotine, nitric oxide, which I get through breathing techniques. All of these things help release the spike protein from the ACE2 receptor. We know this in science. I've read the reports.

But the problem with that is, once the spike protein is released from the ACE2 receptor, we know this. to receptor. It's now in your blood biome and it's floating around and it can reattach to any of the cells in your body. And that's where for me an antiparasetic comes in handy. Antiparasatics can break down the spike protein into smaller bits that will allow them, that will stop them from reattaching to your cells. I tried ivermectin. It was not effective for me, but I know it is effective for others. Benbendazole, hydrochloroquine, all these are antipyratesthetics. For me, methylene blue was the one that worked for me.

It may not work for you or for anyone else, but the idea of fighting the spike off of your cells and then getting out of your body is the beginning to reestablishing your mitochondrial energy. You have to understand that five days after starting to take NAC and Methylene Blue, my hands started opening again. Within a month, I was able to bend over and touch my toes in my wheelchair. And within two months, I was able to stand up with assistance. And it's been a good progress.

It's not a cure. I'm basically fighting back the tide, trying to like bail a rowboat with a thimble. And they're a good day. and there are bad days still. And it's a struggle, but I'm hopeful that there is a way forward for me. You know, it's tough when you're denied vaccine injury.

Actually, I had, there was an incident just a few days ago. My wife met someone and mentioned that I was vaccine injured. And they said, you must be an anti-vaxxer. And that's not the case. You know, for me, when I was a very young boy, I had severe allergies. And I went to an immunologist and they devised a treatment and gave me allergy shots and cured my allergies from wheat, from flour, from potatoes. I had all these allergies that were killing me. I believe in medicine.

But sometimes the science doesn't necessarily follow the technology doesn't follow the science. And I think in this case, the COVID vaccine is something that was maybe not designed properly, and the rollout didn't work. And it didn't injure everyone, but it did injure many of us. And I know there's, what, 1,400 people who applied to speak here at the inquiry, and only 50 are being here speaking. You know what? If anyone out there who applied can hear anything in my story that makes them

relate, I'm very grateful that I can speak and that their truth can be spoken through me. Thank you. Let the MPs ask you questions. I don't really have any questions. I just have a statement. You're an inspiration, I think, to a lot of people in the room here today and the people listening to Grouse Canada. Given the circumstances you're in, to be this optimistic, is exceptional, in my opinion. I think I can speak to everybody here in the room. When you told your story for a person to cross Canada,

both directions from Toronto, and then to go through what you're going through now, and still have a smile on your face so whole time to tell them your story, I think is something that everybody can take away from here today. So thank you for being here. I want to start with saying thank you. to your positivity, to the spirit that you carried despite the hardship you have gone through

after this vaccine injury. You said that you want to take a diss out of ability. The diss and disability. So do you see any encouragement or support from the government at any level? Not really, no. You know, the vaccine injury support program was ill-divised to start from. You know, I mean, it's a third-party organization running a vaccine program. It's the only one in the world.

That's a third party. And I believe it was run more like an insurance company. Actually, the rates of denial for the vaccine injury support program were greater than insurance denial rates. In your opinion, what government needs to do to encourage that kind of spirit when it comes to vaccine? You know, I'm very seguin in my optimism about the public health agency of the government. candidate taking over the program. And I'm hopeful that they can look at the actual claims that come in. And instead of finding ways to dismiss them, find ways to actually approve them.

I mean, my case specifically, they did not use the WHO causality standards in evaluating my case. They basically used one study from 2021 that said that because there was no gadolinium in my MRI, that it was unlikely that transverse myelitis was the result of vaccine. Now, there was a study, and I think it was six out of seven people in that study, showed gadolinium expression after a vaccine injury. But that was after a first dose, and they put that in the thing that after first dose, well, this is my fourth vaccine. My immunologist, in my appeal, has emphatically stated that the priming of one vaccine to another

can precipitate vaccine injuries. And I think that's the case, in my case, why so drastically after my fourth vaccine it came about was because my immune system was already primed from my third vaccine taken 10 months. before. Thank you. You also mentioned, he shared your experience with the alternative medicine or alternative options that you explored or you are still exploring. Do you see that we need to do more in encouraging those options to vaccine injured people? You know what? This whole situation is very reminiscent of the AIDS epidemic of the 1980s. And back then, AIDS was a gay disease. If you didn't want to admit you had AIDS. People were dissing people with AIDS. Oh, he must be gay or whatever.

And there was shaming involved in having AIDS. And as a result, the medical profession didn't want to spend money. It wasn't until Elizabeth Taylor stepped up to raise money to help AIDS research, that we finally stopped getting away from these chemical cocktails that people had to take to survive through AIDS. And that same thing is happening today. There is no allopathic solution for mitochondrial myopathy or long COVID. It's not even being looked at. Everything that I'm doing is allopathic. And whether it's through supplements,

through red light therapy, through physiotherapy, through meditation and yoga, we need to start looking at ways to actually solve the problem to the mitochondrial myopathy, which underwides all the conditions that go with long coven. Thank you. Wonderful.

That's all the time. Michael, thank you very much. You very well. For being here. I understand there's a film about you. I'm going to have to make sure I check it out. Yeah, tonight at the Tom Brown Theatre at 645, they're showing the documentary, why can't we talk about this? Which is my journey into hell.

And we did an epilogue, which is another 30 minutes called to talk about this, which is all about the solutions for me. And you know what? I'm very glad that I can, you know what? We have a choice in life to suffer or be happy, and the choice is ours. And I always try to look on the positive side of things. And that allows me to get through the tough things. You know, Winston Churchill once said, if you're going through hell, don't stop, keep going.

And that's the message I send out to everyone who's still suffering from all COVID. Keep going. We'll find the solutions. Thank you, sir. Appreciate you. You're very well. Thanks. Our next witness is Jasmine Gruel. Jasmine, we're very pleased to have you here.

And first of all, we'll swear you in. Jasmine, Gruel, do you promise to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth? I just wanted to state, because I know from an earlier interview, you're going to describe injuries. You never had COVID before that. Like, you never had COVID at all. Can you share with us?

about your life before vaccination? Is there only 35 now? So you'd have been 30 at the time. I want to start off by saying, why go to jika kosa? Why go to Diki putte? My time before, before this was,

it's what I felt was normal. I was very active. I felt that I was almost on top of the world. I felt that was very fit. I loved being outside. I loved the company I was with. You know, it was always very sociable, I feel like.

And I was always looking forward to what can come next with my given ability. And it was always to what sport can I play next? When can I see my family and friends next? When can I be outside and be active again? And it almost

feels as if it never. happened since since it happened. It would have been, it would have been 31 when I initially had when I went through this and it was 31. I'm going to ask David to pull up some photos that we'd have. So you're you are working as a business development manager for an AI company. And when you talk about sports, you were on two softball teams and a substitute on a third. You were playing in a basketball league. You golfed, you played soccer. And, And also you dance was a big part of your life. Yes, we're going to play a video about that.

So, like, you were an extremely sports young man fellow. And David, can we pull up the first? So this is a photo of you golfing. Yes, it was. And can we go up to the next one? This is you playing baseball. That's right. Can we go to the next one?

This is you involved in dance. That's right. We're also going to play. two videos. So we splice them together. Okay. And let's just play them and feel free to comment while they're playing or comment afterwards. And the next one is at, oh, I see that. Did we not have the halftime at the Raptor show? Through those your quads and those mostly by hyper-extend.

Actually, so this isn't the video I wanted, David. We had a video of him at a Raptor's game. Did it not tag on the last video? Okay. Okay. Well, that's the shame. We had, we had, we had spent a lot of time getting a video of you, you were at a Raptors halftime game in a whole dance troupe. Yeah. Doing this, this traditional dance and it was absolutely amazing. I'll see if we can get that before the end of the inquiry to play. I can quickly describe it. Mm-hmm. Please do.

Basically, it was a, it was a South Asian event at the Toronto Raptors Halftime show sponsored by Nafati at the time. what I did was my initial idea was that I didn't want to get on another gentleman's shoulders as a friend of mine as well but at the time the other person I was supposed to wasn't able to at the time so he volunteered myself basically that was the idea was that I would he would hold me onto his shoulder so my legs would be under him and they would basically spin me around so I would go flat my back would be kind of parallel to the ground and kind of spinning around for maybe 10 seconds and then find myself again, then make myself help myself down to then be continued on with the dance for the half

time show. An incredible experience. Yeah, and again, we might try to pull that up before the end of the thing. So I just wanted to make the point that you were extremely active, extremely fit, extremely into sports. You get your first Pfizer shot in May of 2021, and then you get on June 2821 your second. Can you tell us what happened?

It was the end of June, 2021, when I got that second shot. I was always a believer that nothing, I felt very healthy. I felt it just almost felt like I was on top of the world and that nothing could really bring it down. And I felt comfortable taking it as well. There wasn't really any sort of specific hesitation to me taking the vaccine. It was soon after, I would approximately about maybe two months after the second vaccine, when I went along my regular schedule of activities and I would play sports continuously. But I would start to get this extreme cramping, especially my legs.

It would throw up my entire body, but especially my legs and my hamstrings where usually maybe after a few days I could maybe get through it, you know, a little bit of stretching, maybe some heat, some therapy with it as well, some direct massages. And I felt pretty comfortable after it. Well, for whatever reason, this will just continue. And it felt as if my legs were starting to get very stiff, especially my hamstrings to start off. As the weeks went along, as the months kind of went along,

I always was just avoiding the fact that something could be wrong, something, it could be getting worse. But it did intend. It did absolutely feel a lot worse. But I was so avoiding to go to the doctor, go try and get it checked out, because I thought there shouldn't be anything wrong. I was young at the time.

I felt like I was in my absolute prime physically as well, whether it be weight or just my overall ability. So I just tried different types of therapies. I tried going to different friends for support, some physiotherapists, some any sort of direct therapy I can do. But for whatever reason, it just kept getting worse. And over that time, over those months afterwards, leading into the new year, I started to get a lot more tingling feeling in my legs. That's kind of where the initial symptom where I thought that something was absolutely wrong. And I didn't feel comfortable in the state that I was in, especially because nothing was getting better. It just kept getting consistently worse, which was uncomfortable.

We started going to the family doctor getting those general tests done. It started with just blood tests, those tests. He couldn't find much from it. They also have a questionnaire that they wanted me to answer. And almost immediately after answering the questionnaire, he said it does seem, something more psychological, something that's in my head that might be causing adverse effects with the rest of my body. I did not completely agree at the time, but I also wanted to understand that it could be a possibility. So I took the necessary efforts afterwards to attend to my mental

health and whatever might be bothering me mentally as well. But as a month's month's way long, it just kept getting consistently worse, where I would lose balance in my legs. I was always kind of tumbling and fumbling around, which wasn't very common for me. I always felt very comfortable in my own stride and my own posture. But the sudden missteps and the sudden bumping into walls and maybe the missing a stair here and there was very odd and confusing. So when I got initial visit with a neurologist, and that was close to when this video that we have up now was taken, he also associated with some type of a psychological issue at the time.

So can I slow you down? Do you mind if I name the neurologist? We don't have to. So you see a neurologist and you're having these really gay problems. Yes. Like it's, you're also, you haven't described for us, but I mean, we're talking shooting pain. You are uncomfortable.

Yes. And this is constant. So you're suffering horribly. in pain, now you're having coordination issues. We're going to show this video, but a neurologist is basically telling you this is in your head. Yes. Okay, so we'll watch this video.

I know I see that. You're really trying to stabilize through your through those your quads and those muscles by hyper-extending. Cool, you want to try walking here? Yeah, if you can. Have you felt? Have you been able to? You have? Yeah.

Yes. Good. And then. Whenever you're ready, just go grab a seat right there from the beach. Yeah. And you're struggling a little bit with where your body weight is, right? What are you feeling? What do you... Instability in your legs.

Yeah, yeah, no, they are. So this is, this video is taken around the time. A neurologist is telling you this is in your head, basically that you're mentally ill. That's right. And how do you deal with it? with that when you know you're suffering? And you haven't even talked about this shooting pain and that to us? The symptoms that I was going through, I mentioned to the doctor at the time, I tried to describe it as best to my ability to, it was so hard to kind of put into words what exactly was

happening with my whole body. But with that line of questioning, I still tried to believe in the medical professional I was speaking to. And after that, after that initial visit with the doctor, I went to emergency downtown as well. They also did a similar type of neurological examinations, and they generally diagnosed me with F&D, which was functional neurological disorder, also kind of up in the air and questionable at the time. I also did not know what to take from it.

We were kind of curious. Going back to the initial doctor, I meant, he also wanted to get an EMG done, it's called an electromyalogram, but there was no rush on it at the time. when I first went to see him. So my goal was to get that test done as soon as possible. I thought that would be a very important test to determine if, in fact, it is in my head

or not. I felt like an objective test that could be done where there is no way that I can deny a fact of whatever the result of the test would be, would be almost undeniable at that point. after a few months went by, I changed family doctors to another one. He also felt there was something wrong, just hearing my symptoms and seeing me briefly. I'm just going to abbreviate. You end up getting a call on April 29th. That's correct.

2022, that somebody had canceled an appointment. So you rush in and get this appointment that nobody else is in a hurry for. And you end up getting hospitalized right away. Immediately. So they do the test and they hospitalized you. You're in the hospital for six months. right. So what happened there? So right after they did the test, they did my whole lower body, my upper body as well, they noticed that there was severe demilination from my entire body. So that there

wasn't any kind of reaction from my neurons feedback into their system. As soon as we went back down to emergency, we waited in emergency, he wanted to do something called the lumbar puncture. And what the lumbar puncher does is where you kind of bend over on your side, you curl up into a little bit of a ball and they take out the cerebral spinal fluid from my from my lung when they tried to dilute that and I'm just going to we're going to skip some of the detail okay because we don't have the time for that but basically you you've never you've never walked again we always had attempts in the hospital but nothing comfortably no and you've lost your nerve function in your lower limbs that's right um you have burning nerve pain throughout your

entire body. And that's even right now as you're speaking. I still have this tremors as well in my hands as well. So you're not this is this is just something you can't control. So and it's also very painful all the time. Um, your intestines don't work. You're unable to feed. So even though I'm talking, I'm hoping the camera they put it on you. You have two bags there and you have two pumps for For 12 hours a day, those pumps have to run. Can you tell us what they are and why you need to have them for 12 hours a day? Yeah, so initially you'll see the first pump on my right that has a little bag attached to it. That's going directly into my stomach, which is called a gastro-judgeumal tube,

which bypasses my stomach, so I can still kind of, I can still use my stomach and that type of way, my whole gastrointestinal system to get whatever nutrients and proteins from there. The second bag you see behind there is a black bag. That's called TPN. It's called Total Prentral Nutrition. That one goes directly into my chest into a larger vein, so I can get also the additional nutrition like carbohydrates, proteins, fats, and all the vitamins and minerals to go into my system.

These symptoms weren't right away. It happened about a year and a half after I got discharged from the hospital after the six-month stint, and with the constant treatments that I was going through, this was an apparent side effect, an unfortunate side effect of that fact. So right now, I cannot, if I was to eat something orally or not, I would immediately come up and it would stay in my stomach. As much as I would like to have some water right now, because it is quite parched, I would not be able to, because if I was to try to drink the water,

I would immediately come back up and I would have to vomit it up. Right. So you rely, this is your water, this is your food, is two tubes, one dripping into your stomach and one dripping into a vein. That's correct. That's how you're fed. Yeah. And these pumps have to run for 12 hours a day. They run constantly 12 hours a day.

And even without me having to drink or eat, normally I'm still vomiting every few hours, just whatever is in my stomach. It could be biol. It could do whatever it is. What's been the most difficult part of this? all it's been quite belittling overall the confusion to navigate every day

and how to navigate every day because I know that every night after I disconnect everything and I can get whatever rest I can get, I have to start both of these machines immediately in the morning or else I'm not going to get my necessary caloric intake for that day and that's going to cause even more side effects

that I don't want to bother trying to feel. So the difficulty is just a navigation of how I'm going to kind of attack each day. I have the great support of my family, my close friends, my partner as well, and I'm extremely appreciative for that. But trying to navigate it in my own head and seeing where I could have been or what could have been potentially and what it has been,

even just seeing the photos and the videos now has been confounding. But it is what my... It's where we have, it's my place is here where it's where we're supposed to be for whatever reason. And the opportunity is here to speak about is what I, what I feel like I had to do. And it's, it's just a matter of what, where can we go next? And I'm going to do whatever I can to take that next step. Thank you. And I want to thank you for being here.

Thank you. Thank you very much. We're going to, I'm going to turn it over to my colleague. Thank you for being here. What are the doctors, have they given you any indication on the back, how the vaccines caused us, or are you getting any support from the medical field at all, supporting your vaccine injuries?

I also applied for the vaccine injury support program when it was still the support program. I got denied initially when I first applied for it. The doctors could not confirm or deny that it was, but given the timeline of everything, they always just said it was a possibility. It was a strong possibility that it could have been from it, given how it was before and how the effects of the vaccine. Were you denied in the program? Of the vaccine, yes, I was.

Yes, I was. And have you appealed? I'm in the process of appealing right now. During, I did appeal initially, but when they transferred over to the impact assistance program, there was a little bit of a delay. So appeal has been a little bit delayed at the time, so I'm reappealing at this time, just waiting, still waiting for a response. What was the reason for Doro? They said that the board at the time felt like there was something in between from the second vaccine to their suspected onset of symptoms that would have caused these neurological issues and the severity of the issues that I currently have. Going through the process of the program, what was your experience with going through the process?

A lot of waiting, a lot of attempting to follow up. When I got the initial letter to confirm that I was denied, and even just reading it just felt very, it was almost unbelievable at the time. And to hear that the reasoning for it as well and that there was not. no effort or additional follow-up required to prove that also further confused me as well and made it even more type of kind of unfortunate. So it was, it just, it also didn't feel like it was a thorough process to look through the medical documents that I got through, which went through 80 to 100 pages of my entire

hospital visit, which included multiple treatments, which felt like it was always. also a result of everything, but it just felt like the proof and validity was not there. Well, thanks for being here to tell your story, and again, we apologize for the problem you have to be through with the program and the difficulties with it, and hopefully if we hear enough about it, that we can get the problems fixed and to help people with yourself. I want to thank you once again for being here, I think that it really explains. If I caught that correctly, you said you were filling out 80 to 100 pages? That's right. Or just to just to fill out an application? The amount of documents and

supplemental documentation that I provided to the support program was 8,200 pages because it includes every doctor that I had during my inpatient at the hospital for those six months. And what type of time, I can't even imagine what type of time frame that would involve trying to gather that kind of information? Yeah. I'm again, my sisters are very supportive, very helpful. my partner was very helpful at the time as well, but to kind of stay on top of it. But ensuring that when I got discharged that the entire relevant historical information that I had from day one when I was admitted was in those notes, including all the multiple treatments that we tried and attempted and just didn't see the results from. But everything that I could have included was included in all of those pages.

Well, thank you. I guess I said once again, you know, Mike's MP Dawson says, Well, we, you know, we really apologize for anything that's been through, you've been through. And, you know, it's just, as we hear these stories, I think it's important that as more people hear what's going on, that we can continue to push to see changes being made in whatever programs are there or the absolute recognition of individuals. So, thank you. Thank you for being here. Thank you for option. Thank you. And, Jasmid, I also understand that it was difficult for. for you to be here.

It's one thing when you're in a wheelchair, but because you have those pumps and that pool, you took the train because those pumps need to be plugged in. The batteries don't last long. In fact, that was a concern for you being here today is with the pumps, would the batteries fail? I think we arranged to have an extension cord for that eventuality.

So you actually, it was not clear that you would be able to get here and get transported here. And we really appreciate you coming. Of course. We really appreciate you sharing your story. I pray that you all help change the world and allow us to have this conversation and look at things.

I'll do my best. Yeah, so thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you all. So our next witness is Kelly Shorky. Kelly, do you want to put that Bible in your right end? Kelly Shorky, do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth to help you God?

I do. Now, you're a very interesting case, and I'm going to lead here, and you're an interesting case, and I hope that everyone is listening here. So the following have confirmed that your vaccine injured. So the medical health officer, British Columbia, has confirmed your vaccine injured. Canada Life agrees that your vaccine injured in a disability claim. The Canadian Pension Plan agrees. that your vaccine injured. WorkSafe BC, which is what British Columbia calls their workers' compensation

system, believes your vaccine injured. So let me ask you, does the vaccine injury support program agree that your vaccine injured? No, they do not. Okay. So at least they're not. They can't be called followers. So by way, just to introduce you, you were 54 years of age. Yes. You were home and community nurse you did wound care and palliative care for 15 years and at the time of your vaccination you were in effect working more than full-time you paddleboard you hiked you sailed you did fitness classes you swam you socialized you traveled just incredible amount of physical activity your health was great you were on no medications which is very telling um can you share with us your journey

with the vaccines. Okay. So I was actually in Australia when Trudeau said Canadians come home, March 2020. And, you know, back to work, I came because I didn't want to get stuck somewhere else. And so the vaccines were due,

and, you know, with being a community nurse, we were getting our shots quite quickly. So I had my first vaccine, and then within six weeks I had the second dose, both visors. And within 48 hours of having the second shot, I noticed that there was some itching at the base of my neck that I hadn't ever felt before, and I just was monitoring that.

And then on the right side, I just kept watching it. And I had actually gone to the doctor to say, you know, that something's wrong here. And I developed three different lesions, or plaques on my back that looked like raised, they all had different characteristics. And then I just became systemically itchy all over my body that I don't have any,

never had allergies before. And walked around with an itch stick for a year, and then these three lesions stayed. They were always there, again, like with the different characteristics. And I was having the doctor. We were waiting for the allergist. I suspected that it... And can I just slow you down because, you know, when you used to say, well, you were itchy for a year.

And I don't think people are really appreciating what you're talking about. You are talking about constantly 24 hours a day feeling itchy. I mean, to the point where if you were at home, you couldn't wear clothes because that would be uncomfortable. It literally was debilitating. So it's just the word itchy can sound minimal. But what you were experiencing was something very different. It was, yeah. Okay. And we were looking into that and I was, you know, the doctor had put me on with an allergist, but it was a one-year wait list and a dermatologist, a year waitlist. But we did do a biopsy on one of the lesions on my back. And so, you know, then, you know, but of course we were waiting and I'm just, I'm still bad. I'm still at work. I'm having to take time off because of the condition that I had. And then the booster was coming along. And I had had Pfizer and Pfizer,

and Moderna was being pushed for the booster because I think it was the Delta virus that was out, and that was the big thing. Moderna was going to be the better of the two vaccines, but having spoken with a doctor, and I say a doctor, it was a clinic doctor, because I've been on a 15-year wait list to get a GP in BC. Then, sorry, the time to get the booster,

and I said, you know, they were like, well, don't you want the Moderna? And I said, no, we need to stick with the Pfizer vaccine because it's the devil, you know, because we knew I was already having a reaction to it. And then, so that would have been in November. And I ended up off work for a few weeks. See, I hadn't made the connection yet. And I was like, there's something wrong, something wrong with my right leg.

And I thought, because I was so active, I'd done something. Maybe I slipped. I didn't pay attention to a hiking trip that I'd done or anything like that. like that. And then I was, you know, talked to the doctor. He's like, yeah, just stay home until you feel better. I went back to work in January. And I'd been back at work for about two weeks. And COVID was flying around the office. Different nurses, we were all dropping. So I ended up, at the end of the day, something was wrong with the right side of my throat. And I thought, well, this is different. And I'm like, I wonder if I have COVID because it was such an unusual

sore throat. I went to my manager and I said, I'm going to, I need to take the day off. I'm not well and I need to go get COVID tested. And I went and got tested for COVID and it was negative. But I kept saying, there's something wrong here. I'm not going back to work yet because I'm off. And I was at home. And I remember going to bed after the news and go brush my teeth.

And I went to go spit and I'm like, oh. And I looked up and my whole face had collapsed. And I thought, oh, you know, is this a stroke? and I did the stroke test, and I'm like, okay, this is not a stroke. I realized, and I drove myself to the hospital, and they took me in fairly quickly, and they, you know, they were like, it's bowel palsy that you have. So I was in and out of emergency amazingly in 45 minutes, but only with the valtrex, not with the prednisone.

And I was lucky enough, you know, I had time on my phone. I'm like, oh, I should have had that prednisone. And you're supposed to get it within 72 hours. So I ended up getting into the urgent care clinic. I got the prednisone to go along with the Valtrex as a treatment within the 72 hours. And then with the BELS palsy, you know, they're like, come back in two weeks, it'll resolve. And I'm like, so I went back and they're like, oh, it's not resolved. And I'm like, yeah, you figure.

Can you describe what is Bell's Pals? So Bell's palsy is, so you have 12 cranial nerves in your head, and it's cranial nerve seven. And basically what happens with Bell's Palsy, it's like you pull the plowsy. and your whole face just starts working on whichever side the cranial nerve gets affected is the best way that I was explained to it so I was a little bit different where my face went tight other people they'll they'll lose their droop the face you drool my eye was like rolling to the back of my head I couldn't close my eyelid and I couldn't lift my face my mouth was closed difficult to eating but that's pretty much it.

You have the facial paralysis, and it also goes into your platisma. Okay, we're just going to pull up some photos. So this is a photo of you before. Yeah, that's interesting. I never take selfies, and I thought, I'm just going to take a selfie just a week before the injury.

Okay, and so this is you a week before the injury. Can we go to the next photo? So describe what's happening here. Well, that's in my physical. because I had a facial physiotherapist come to my house and she was taking pictures and she's you know this is what was happening so I was just trying to close my eye and that's what was happened just try to relax so you were physically unable to close your own as part of the facial paralysis and can we go to the next photo yeah that's just lifting trying to smile right so so half of your face was works and the other half doesn't yeah Yeah. Okay.

So, yeah, so you went from being symmetrical using all of your face to basically now half of your face is different. Yeah. Now, you also then get this synchinesis. Mm-hmm. Yeah. So the synchinesis is what happens is when the nerves grow back, they grow back a millimeter over time, little piece, and then just end up growing back wrong. So when, you know, if I chew food, my eye will close and, um, You know, it just makes my face behave differently than it did before because the nerve has gone off.

Okay. And you also have some nerve damage. Can you share with us about that? Yeah. Yeah. And so with my condition, I'm uniquely, everything only happened on the right side of my body. This is nothing to do with the left. So I have limb weakness on the right side.

So, you know, going upstairs all of a sudden, my leg just doesn't want to work. anymore. I noticed going swimming. My arm will just stop working. There's no rhyme or reason for it. It just will do that. I can't, you know, and that over time I've actually gotten significantly worse, my foot's collapsed. Where it used to become weak, I am permanently weaker on the right-hand side. Yeah. You also have trigeminal neuralgia, which I understand is one of the most painful conditions that we know about. Yes. And so I have polycranial nerve damage.

So trigeminal is nerve five, which is also included. I have five, seven, nine, and ten. And probably more. We're not quite sure. But five can be extremely, extremely painful. At the moment, it ebs and flows, but it can. can affect the jaw, the teeth, and pain is the most, very bad pain. How are you doing today?

Today, with the trigeminal. So the pain is okay. It's just that it's a chronic all the time condition that I have to deal with. And as far as today goes, I never have a good day. I'm all, you know, like, it's hard to explain. I've never been the same person. I think the best way I can describe it is, you know, I am anywhere from 75% to 30% of the person I used to be,

percentage-wise. There's days where I have flares, so things come and go. I might get a little bit better. And then I get excited and I think, oh, there's a possibility. If this trajectory keeps going, I will have an opportunity to return to work to return to my life. And then I get these flares and I never recover to the point where I was before. And these occur quite regularly like three times a year where I think I'm going to possibly get better and then I don't. Right. But you're in pain right now? I am not in

pain right now. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Now number 10 affects heart rate, bowels, urinary function. And so you live on the edge of incontinence. Yeah. And with my bowels too, they, you know, they don't communicate with me anymore. I have to, you know, and with my nursing background, I know exactly what I need to do to try to make sure things are functioning properly. But yeah, it's definitely affected. And then you talked about your right arm. Can you tell us about your vision? Yeah.

So my vision, I noticed it was affected from the beginning. I noticed right away I was at the gym. I actually had gone to go swimming and I noticed that, hey, I misread a number. And it wasn't a dyslexia kind of number. It was a real thing. My brain picked up something and believed what I saw. And then it's like all of a sudden, it's like, oh, this is not, this is incorrect.

And I found the different ways. So with my vision, we have finally figured out after four years that it's called convergence insufficiency. My eyes do not work together anymore. And for whatever has happened inside my head, I don't read things properly. I misunderstand things. I would be very harmful. I will never choose to administer medication again because I might think that this is,

10 milligrams when it should be just one milligram. When you and I were interviewing, I don't even remember when that was, but probably a couple of weeks ago now, and you said to me that testifying here is going to wipe you out. Can you share with us about that and what's going on there? So I basically, since my injury, I guess the best way I can put it is I can do one thing a day. I have to choose, though. It's like, do I want to shower or do I want to get to this appointment? Do I want to go grocery shopping or do I want to make it out to see a friend?

I have to pick and choose what those things are. You know, the more I do, I find then I just need to rest. There's just not a possibility. I'm non-functioning. I end up, I need to stay home. my need to stay in a controlled safe environment. So you actually have to plan what you do and what you don't do, including showering. Yeah.

Yeah. I had one doctor ask, what's your burden of the day? What's your every day? And every day I wake up and I don't know what to expect. So I'd like to say, yours is an interesting case because it seems that out of everyone I've interviewed, more people agree this is like you literally gave me a letter from the medical health officer of British Columbia saying this is vaccine injury that's correct work safe BC so this is vaccine injury CCP Canadian pension plan says this is vaccine injury sunlight this says vaccine injury

what has been your experience with medical care okay well you know this is hard because these are my co-workers I guess right off the bat, nobody did say it's not a vaccine injury. None of the doctors did that. I just find it now into the years. I have doctors that say, even though it's on record, you think you have a vaccine injury. Or I've read reports where the doctor states she thinks she's got cranial nerve damage when the language is there. I don't need to prove this. I don't need doctors to understand if they had the time to come to my appointment prepared, they would be able to see that all of this stuff is there. So how have I been treated? Well, 55 specialists, clinicians later, I'm still here being assessed, asking to prove how unwell really am I. I have had a few good doctors that have, you know, I had one because I don't have a GP. So urgent care clinician who's like, who's following you?

And I'm like, well, nobody. And he says, well, I'm only work weekends, but, you know, and I'm like, I'll take it. And just once a month I would go in just to check in. And he, you know, because there was nothing really we could do. Just waiting to see the specialists. And that was the biggest disappointment was going in and finally seeing the neurologists and the specialists were, because I would ask him like, please don't discharge me. something wrong. And they're like, well, we don't know enough about this. So I'm going to discharge

you. And I would even ask, like, can I get another referral? And they said, well, we don't know what we would refer them to. And I said, well, this is a vaccine injury. Are you not interested in learning and even just keeping me on so that we can, you know, explore this in the future to have to learn what it is that's been happening to us? And they're like, no, that's not what we do here. And then I had a follow-up here, a second opinion, with another neurologist. And, you know, we came down with the FND, that was, you know, they concurred. Functional neurological disorder, which means we don't know. Exactly, exactly.

And it is also considered the woman's disease, but that's another thing too, where they, you know, psychological stuff that's, so when I asked the second neurologist, could you please educate me on what is going on with me through the vaccine. This is your job. You're the neurologist. Please find out what you know, because they have access to information. I do not have access to. And I think it's their job.

You're going to give me a diagnosis. It's your job to please explain to me what is going on with me. And so I said with the COVID vaccine injury, and this is the neurologist goes, no, no, no, I will not get into the politics of this. and I just and I just go I don't know what to do

I don't know where to go I think you just spoke volumes you had said to me in an earlier interview that you cry every time you have to go to those pressures yeah

can you share about that yeah well I cry because I know I would love to go in with a quick brochure but I always get reassured no no they'll come prepared

and understanding my case and every time I walk in and I'm like, oh, no, they don't know what they're, they don't know what they're talking about because they don't have the experience. I have more experience with vaccine injury than a doctor that I see. And I'm expecting them to make a decision on something that they know nothing about. So it just, I would love to find a doctor who is interested in just wanting to be interested in learning as to what's happened. to us. I don't really have any questions.

You really touched on all the topics with your testimony. What you did say with educating you when you go to your appointments, I think that's something you touched on that. That touched, I think, a lot of the testimonies that the doctors aren't educating the patients on what they should be educating them on, and how the process works to move forward, to find a diagnosis to get you through the process. So I don't have any questions, but thanks for being here. And a lot of your testimony hit on a lot of the topics that I don't have any questions.

Maybe my colleague does. I don't know. Thank you for being here. Okay. Thank you. Thanks for being here and sharing your story. I don't have any questions, but you know what? After listening to all the witnesses that I have listened to this morning,

When these victims are being, say, discouraged or pushed away by these professionals, psychologists, neurologists and all those, in my opinion, it's not only minimizing the current situation or the victims of these vaccine injuries. It's also setting a trend that we don't want to be prepared for future situations so that they won't happen in the next pandemic or any any. if we lead to that situation in future, God forbid. So I feel that these kind of inquiries are very important to change that mindset and whether they are professional bodies, whether they are the scientists or the psychologist, the specialist, those are assigned. The mindset needs to be changed so that not only these injuries be minimized, but they should be avoided altogether.

Thank you for being care. And Kelly, you mind if I ask what type of support you have at home? Oh, yeah. No, I am completely independent. And, yeah, I had a brother who was my family. And then unfortunately, he had long COVID, but we don't know that 100% could have been a vaccine injury. And then he died tragically just a year and a half ago. And so I have my made-up family, but my immediate family that's...

And so your friends are very supportive? Yes, yeah. That's excellent. Yeah, and where I live, the apartment building and, you know. Well, listen, Golly, thank you once again for sharing your story and once again helping us understand a little bit more of the challenges that people are going through. So thank you.

You're very welcome. Thank you, guys. Sorry, our next witness says Thor Hart. Thor, will you take the, can somebody hand him the Bible? Thor, will you take the Bible in your right hand? Yes, can you hear me? Yes, I can hear you. So Thor, Hart, do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth?

So help you got? Yes, I do. I interviewed you before and you made it clear to me that you didn't have COVID. So when you describe getting injured, I think that's important for people to know. I just want to introduce you. So you're 55 years old. Yes. You have four children.

You were a group leader at General Motors. Yes. And prior to being vaccinated, you were a physically active bodybuilder. You shared you actually went to the gym five days a week. Yes. Like you were committed. You had done kung fu since you were 14 and you were still doing it weekly. Yes.

very senior in that discipline. You had no prior health issues, and in fact, you were training to be in a strong man competition. Yes. So I just share that so that everyone understands that you were an incredibly fit and active man before the vaccination. Yes, actually, just a couple weeks before I was vaccinated. I was actually just starting to train both of my sons in the gym.

And it was actually kind of funny because the gym I was in, I wasn't sure. if they had heavy enough weights for me. I was lifting 150 pound dumbbells doing reps of 10 to 12 with them for incline bench press, like four or five plates aside for squatting. Yeah, my sons were impressed to people. And it was just, I was trying to get my sons. And this is the experience that I wanted to pass on to my family. And in fact, I have two daughters, and they were excited at the time.

And they were thinking, okay, when can dad come train us in the gym as well? and I was also training them in martial arts at home. And then the vaccine happened. And what happened there was, I was hesitant to take it only because I was watching what was going on and everything just seemed to be so politicized and you couldn't ask any questions about it. So me being health conscious,

I want to know whatever I'm putting in my body, whether it be nutrition, especially if I'm going to inject something, I just want to ask questions about it. The fact that everything was sort of, no, no, no, no, you can't talk about this. You can't ask questions about this. That actually made me hesitant to want to take it.

Up until General Motors sent me a letter saying, get vaccinated or you will be terminated. At that point there, I had until December 12, 2021, That was the date they gave me to be vaccinated by. So in November, I went for my first Pfizer vaccine, and I had the usual reaction. It was an immediate reaction of a couple days where I had body aches that it wasn't accustomed to,

but they did go away. So I sort of counted myself lucky and thought, okay, well, maybe there was nothing to fear here. I have no issues. Came up time to, I think it was November 25. it was November 25th, I was going for my second dose of Pfizer, and I received that. And immediately, it was the same, but it was a lot stronger, a lot stronger. And so I sort of mentally wrote that off as, well, it's the second dose compounded. Maybe that's it. I'll just, this is just the,

it'll be like the first time, it'll go away. But it didn't. It kept building and building. And it was on the third day of slowly building I went to get up out of bed and I couldn't stand my whole body I just it ached it was like glass in all of my joints I I've never felt that kind of pain in my life I couldn't stand and I remember I was talking my wife going something's not right I don't know what's going on here I need to go to the hospital because again It was just a couple, like earlier, I'm training my sons, I'm going to the gym, I'm on the treadmill, doing, and now I can't stand. Within days. Within, within, it was on the third day.

And my understanding is, is this day where you wake up and it's too painful to watch, you literally have to crawl to the bathroom. I had to call to the bathroom, and during my time afterwards, there were some times where the timing was not, made, which was not an experience I'd like to have. And to go from fully active to having to crawl to the bathroom, that takes a toll. I got into the hospital. I'm sitting in the emergency, and I remember the doctor, I'm explaining what's going, I'm saying, I just had the vaccine, and they wrote down adverse drug reaction. They knew what it was. And they're telling me, well, don't worry, it'll pass within a week. And they told me to take some arthritis medications.

And I remember I looked at the emergency doctor and said, but I don't have arthritis. And this is the part that shocked me, because I'm confused. I'm waking up in a new body. And I remember they looked at me and kind of chuckled and said, you do now. And that shocked me. So I remember I went over that with my wife and I was like, what do they mean?

What do they mean I do now? This was not, I was always told safe and effective. Everything is good. Now I have arthritis. This was not communicated to me. And this is within four days. Within the third day. So within three days of the shot, you went from, you know, lifting 180 pounds.

Yes. dumbbells in the, you know, that's one hand. Yeah. In the gym to have to crawl to the bathroom. All of a sudden, I can't walk. And you're being told that you now have arthritis. So within three days, you are now arthritic. Yes.

Okay. Sorry for interrupting. Yeah, no, no. And that was the hardest part to deal with. So I took a couple days off work. And again, I started just working on over-the-counter pain medification. I was taking, I think it was a lead. and other things just to try and deal with the pain.

And it was the week afterwards, I went back to work on Wednesday, and I was trying everything from different insoles because I could barely walk and I was shuffling. And because I'm a group leader, I self-accommodated at my desk a lot trying to do. And I remember on the Friday, I had a coworker helping me out of the building, and I was shuffling, and I just thought, I don't know what's going on. I'll try a foot bath. I'm going to have to work with my wife. And it was that night, everything swelled up on my right leg, my left leg, and it woke me up in the middle of the night with such pain. Again, I didn't understand what was going on with my body.

I had to go to the hospital. And luckily for me, they gave me a shot of Torval. And the emergency doctor there was actually one of the good ones. He explained to me. He said it's right there in your blood test. It's breaking down your muscles. You need to have your doctor sent to the adverse, I think the vaccine injury clinic or something, which was down in Hamilton at the time. Right.

Like this CR doctor actually tells you it's an extreme vaccine reaction. Yes. And wants you to be referred to a clinic for vaccine injury. Yes. And so we could explain to your muscles actually. getting broken down. Yes. And that's what's going on. He said he saw it right there. And he did explain to me. He was kind enough to say that I will encounter a lot of doctors who will be reluctant to want to address this. So this is where he just said, you need, he didn't know who

my family doctor was. He said, so in case your doctors, you need to push, you need to go to the vaccine injury clinic. So unfortunately with my doctor at the time, they did diagnose vaccine injury. I had to go on disability leave short term. From there, it was, again, reluctant to get me into the vaccine injury clinic. I had to sort of fight for that. And at the point where I believe it was in January, my doctor just said that because I'm a manager, a supervisor group leader at General Motors,

I can self-modulate, even though I'm still injured, I can go back to work. So I did. And I went back to work, and I remember being seen by the health nurse there, and I told them, I'm still at risk of having heart attack. And in fact, sorry, I'm going to back up one bit. While I was in my doctor's office being checked out, she had to send me to St. Joseph's Hospital emergency

because right in the middle of talking with her, for whatever reason, I guess she saw my face was flushed or something. So she took my blood pressure. I don't know what it was, but whatever it was, she called St. Joseph's and said if my wife couldn't get me there, she'd send an ambulance because my blood pressure had gone up so far. She thought it was having a heart attack in her office. So that never fixed itself either, but she said, because I'm a non-physical job,

I can go back and self-accommodate. So I went back in and did so. And then shortly afterwards, I was dropped as a patient for being out of area. So I was left with the hospital as being my only recourse of treatment during while waiting for the vaccine injury. And I didn't go to the vaccine injury because when I spoke to the person there to make the appointment, I was hoping to get some treatment. And they informed me that no, they just wanted to find out what was going on with me.

So I felt like, okay, so you want me to help you, I'm going to be your guinea pig. I need help. And they said, no, that's what your family doctor is for, who had just dropped me as an out of, so I had no family doctor. And the hospital got to the point where I'd been in and out of there over the year

until I finally got a real good family doctor. They just kept feeling sore for me. I became a regular patient there to come in, get tortell. And as they said, they weren't able to treat me. I needed to go see specialists, which they couldn't do. But what they could do is sort of patch me together, give me painkillers, and sort of let me hobble along until I can get the proper treatment. And I had to go through that for over a year. Finally, I did reach a good doctor who actually got me the right treatment.

or at least trying to, but even in that case there, I'm going to hesitate on naming names here because some of them want, thank you. I was going to say, because some of them were really good. And again, they openly said to me that they were afraid that they would lose their license by openly putting their treatment down on paper. And for that, I don't want any doctor to lose their license over me. I just want help. And I do remember one specialist I went to see where they had, I guess, a student doctor they were training and they were in the office treating me and they really wanted to help me. I really felt hope for a moment. And I just remember the specialist pulled them outside the office but I could still hear them and they warned the student,

no, don't go there. This is beyond our scope. We don't go near the causation. And then that's when they came back in and they told me anything to do with essentially the vaccine injury, the causation is beyond their scope. They will just treat the symptoms. I'm just going to focus you a little bit. Yeah. So today, you are permanently disabled. Yes. I have mobility issues and during that time, I tried to go back for accommodation and General Motors cited a no cane policy and they refused to accommodate me. So they forced me on to LDD. Which is long-term disability. So you can, you wear a knee brace. Yes. And you can go 10 minutes with the cane. Five minutes. Maybe. Yeah. I have blood staining on

this knee from the swelling. It was, I don't know the medical term for it. I'm sure there's a that's going to know what it is. But, and this one here is just permanently swollen. And it's, and the flare-ups, I kind of jokingly call it a roadshow of pain through my body, through my shoulders, my hips, my knees, my feet. And when the flare-ups start, I, again, I can't walk. How are you doing today? I'm in a bit of pain.

I'm in pain. As soon as we're done here, I'm going to have to take some painkillers. take some painkillers. And yesterday you were trying to watch, but you had to go home and late, or back to the hotel and lay down. So just daily activities, like even coming to watch,

proceedings can tire you out. We're going to pull up a couple of photos. Yeah. So if we can do that. So this is you before vaccination. Yes, that's the year before I was holding my wife. Yeah,

basically holding your wife. So, which just demonstrates, you know, physically fit not definitely not walking with a cane or having any difficulties at all and if we can show the next one which is actually about yes well and i just you know you were describing swelling feet but i think a photo speaks really loudly so this is what you're you were experiencing and still experience yes that's that's days after and that's what i still experience when the flare up and that's

again they've tested me for blood clots and it's really almost they just say well we don't know we'll give you some more painkillers and keep you on your way when um when we were when i was interviewing you um i don't even remember when that was but you had said a couple of things that was interesting i want to kind of go there we were talking about you know how this has affected you mentally and you were talking about and we'll get there but you said a comment um There was one fellow that was active online, an MP Doug E. Oliveson, and you said he re-traumatizes you. And he does. And can you explain that and explain the mental journey?

Well, I read his posts, and I'm sorry, I've reached out to him. I've called his office. I've sent him emails. I've tried to contact him on chat. I reach out because his post will say, from, Because they used to track vaccine injured on the Canadian website. And he'll say there are this many vaccine injured. But then pivots directly towards vaccine hesitancy.

And I take it as he's essentially gaslighting the issue, where if we don't talk about it, it's more important to bury the injured and fight vaccine hesitancy, as it put. So I've responded to his post several times trying to say, okay, I actually said it'd be wonderful if he showed up here. He could lend his medical knowledge to say, okay, let's fix this system that left us sort of forgotten, if you will, and not treated. And again, it's gone with silence. And in fact, one person, I don't know who they were because, again, you can't verify who's online. talking to you and they said to me that he is a compassionate doc because I my my

said was what I said to them was for a doctor he seems very doing it and I I wasn't I'm not no I'm trying to get it's it intrigued me that even somebody I'm questioning people coming here and testifying would that that's what I was curious about what would trigger you so what what has been the mental journey and what has been the experience like dealing with medical That there, the gaslighting that I've received from medical, this is where it gets hard because it's in my medical records. It's vaccine injured. But again, most of the medical system that I've encountered, they refuse to look at that.

And they say, well, it must be, I'm diabetic. It must be something else. It must be. And they run through the whole gamut of things that it could be. and I have to almost fight with them to say, read my charts. And when they do read the charts, come back in, they treat me like I've done something wrong. And I've been labeled as anti-vaxxer. At one point, I remember outside the room, this boggled my mind when they called me a, I heard Trump supporter.

And I remember I'm with my wife and I'm thinking, what does that have to do with my injury. I don't understand how that factors in. And then the anti-vax label, I don't understand. Like, I'm trying to be non-emotional, and I'm thinking they have my medical records. They can see I'm fully vaccinated. And to be vaccine injured, I must have taken the vaccine. So where does anti, and this is where I was just, I'm in so much pain, I'm writhing,

I just want help. and when you're getting that kind of reaction from, I call it like the doctors that I'm reaching out to help for, it's just, it feels surreal. It's almost like a Twilight Zone experience because this, the hospital, my doctors, that's where you go when you're sick. That's where you go when you're injured. So to have this kind of 180 where I'm encountering this,

I'd never experienced that before in my life. Gore, thank you very much for being here. Can I say one just, I just want to say, and thank you, Sean, and thank you, Dean Allison. I really never thought this was going to happen. I really thought I'd be forgotten. That was my experience for the last several years. So as much as it hurts me to be here, I felt I had to because what yous are doing, I just want to say thank you. And if I can, if me being here does anything, I don't care what I'm feeling the pain.

I have to do my part as well. So thank you. Well, Thor, I want to thank you for coming and sharing your story because I know it's at a cost. And what you've said to us, I hope will change the world because the world's watching these proceedings. It's quite shocking how it's, I think we were number seven worldwide now. So you are being heard today, and we're just honored to hear you in person here. Thank you. Before I turn it over to my colleague, Mr. Dawson, you know, part of the reason we're doing this is that we want to have a public discussion. Right.

It's crazy that as MPs and a number of my colleagues have heard from people on a multiple level, and we can have these conversations privately. For some crazy reason, we can't talk publicly about it. Right. And we've got to be able to break that. stigma down. We've got to give people permission to tell their stories publicly. Because if we don't start a discussion, if we don't have conversations, we don't encourage other brave doctors to come forward and share those. And you can imagine if we had a whole bunch of docs that

showed up at the same time saying we got to address these issues, we got to figure out a way to get treatment. And by not having conversations, we can't get treatment, right? Because they don't acknowledge this exists. It's kind of as, you know, carrot and stick or chicken and egg or whatever You know, that is a challenge. So that's why we're doing it. And I completely occur with you. When people are calling people that had injuries, handicrafts, it's the most ridiculous thing.

But it just shows you where we're at with dialogue in this country. We've got to fix that. Exactly. And we've got to push forward. We've got to encourage people. We've got to demand people to have conversations that are uncomfortable. Yes. We have to have uncomfortable conversations.

And that's why I'm glad my colleagues are here because I want them. to help me have those uncomfortable conversations as well. So I'm going to turn over to Mike. You had mentioned your wife and kids and family. Just wondering how it affected your daily life. Oh, that family. Yeah. It turned my experiences, especially.

I remember the one experience that sticks with me is my second son, not my oldest, but he spent overnight with me in a hospital while I was in a wheelchair and watching the nurse who thankfully she watched. me writhing in pain in the lobby so she came out and actually gave me a pain a tort all shot to just because there was a long wait in the waiting room but that's far from the experience I wanted to have with my son for him to have to watch me like that whereas just the month prior we were in the gym lifting weights that was just surreal and I remember just coming home and crying and talking to my wife about that saying this is not

the father I wanted to be. And having my daughters and my children watch me having to crawl to the bathroom, and at times not making it, that's not the experience I wanted to share. And my wife, who I love dearly, is now pretty much become my caregiver on those episodes when I'm having those flare-ups who's been my rock and been there, but that's not what I chose and what I wanted. I think it's important to hear that because, yes, we're hearing testimony from people that are feeling the effects of the vaccines physically and mentally. But the physical toll is one thing, but the mental toll that takes on family members, husbands, wives, kids, mothers, fathers.

I think those stories need to be told, too, so people can understand. It doesn't just affect the person with the injury. It affects the families and the people involved. So, yeah, thank you for being here to think of your story. Thank you. Thank you. Could I just also, Thor, you should work at GM? Were you in St. Catherine's, Rosh?

I was in Engersoll. Oh, Angersall. And what part of the, where do you live? I live in Engersall. Okay, so you said you traveled to Hamilton, that's where you came for, perfect. I just wanted your context, thanks. Thank you. Thank you, Thor.

Thank you, Thor. So our next witness is Daniel Freheight and Daniel, welcome. Daniel will, first of all, put you under oath. So do you, Daniel Freyheit, promise to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth? You're not in for truth. Salomily affirmed to tell the truth. Thank you, Daniel. Just by way of introducing you, you are a member of the Law Society of Ontario. You're a certified specialist in corporate and commercial law. You also do a lot of regulatory and advisory practice.

You're a graduate of Western Law and Ivy Business School. And you've done a lot of advocacy relating to public health and public safety. And that includes you've acted for a number of people that have had issues with the vaccine injury support program. And so we've invited you to share with us about your experiences, the trials of your clients, and what you've found out through access to information requests? So I was assisting people in accessing compensation through the Vaccine Injury Support Program. And in that regard, I did make an Access to Information Act request early on,

probably around June of 2020. I got back to the Access to Information Act request in around June of 2022. A schedule to that, a document was redacted. and I thought it was quite relevant to understanding how the program worked. Even the title of the document itself was redacted. What wasn't redacted were the paragraph headings. And so a lot of what I'm saying, by the way, is available on my ex account. I'm going by recollection here.

But one of the paragraphs related to the appeal process under the vaccine injury support program and one of the paragraphs related to transparency. So I thought it was very unusual that these portions of the document redacted. So I did file an appeal with the Office of the Information Committee. So can I just slow you down? So because some people won't understand. So access to information, we have an act called the Access to Information Act, where the government is legally obligated to provide us with information.

And you basically request information on that program, and you get a copy of the contract between the federal government and this third-party provider, but blanked out are things like the appeal process. And so you're, why would this be blanked out? Well, and right, and the website for the vaccine injury support program, which has now been removed, which has been reported, that website didn't provide that much information about the relationship

between the Public Health Agency of Canada and the third-party providers to how that worked. So the access to Information Act disclosure was helpful, except for those redactions, but it did provide some insight into the budget. And all this is leading up to how it affects how people apply to the program and how it impacts the application process. It disclosed the heavy allocation to the administrative costs. I think it's been reported.

It was over 60, the 70, 63% around of the program budget was going to the administrator, which is very high compared to other programs. And that was actually in the contract. That was disclosed in the contract. That total amount. So there's, when people criticized publicly, wow, that this percentage went in. Well, the government knew that in advance. They contracted so the two-thirds of the amount would go to administration, and only a small amount would go to compensation.

So other comparable programs, what I'm seeing is the Worker Safety Insurance Board Program of Ontario, the allocation, I think, is closer to 15 to 20% as to the program cost versus there's also another motor vehicle fund in Ontario. And the program cost there is, again, closer to 30% at most from the websites that are costing. So, yes, this was a high administrative cost for this program. And, you know, to be fair, reviewing these records does take a lot of time. There are extensive documentation, looking at the reports, the scientific reports to establish causality. It is a program that was in its infancy, and so it would be generally typically higher, but that was surprising to see as a layperson.

know, we had a witness here earlier. I think it was Michael Oach who was suggesting, you know, the program really should be designed where, you know, the default is we're going to compensate you and let's find a reason not to. So, but in any event, you're telling us that at the very beginning, this program by contract, the federal government knew that almost, you know, most of the money would be going to administration. Correct.

And to that point, I think if every application was just accepted without too much a review, that can create its own hazard, so I can see the need for a bit of a pushback in some of these applications. I do recall that Thailand had a different approach in this regard. Thailand was much more, to your point, accepted the injury as stated, but they just awarded a lesser amount for each application. So there's some advantages to this. I slow you down, because you just revealed something I hadn't thought of. they've only got a limited amount of money to dish out under the contract. So they're kind of obligated. Then it's not going to come out of their own pockets.

So they're actually limited in the amount. So it's a closed amount regardless of the number of people that apply and regardless of the injuries they have. Well, that's one of the reasons why I thought was important. Why I wanted to come here today is that that is part of the constraints of the program, is that there is an incentive to, or just the way the mechanism, works, it's you have a limited budget, a certain portion goes to the administrative cost, and you have to reserve, hold back the funds for those who've been injured from the vaccine.

And so, yes, there is a sort of mechanism to delay payments, and you see that with the appeal process, which going back to my earlier comments about the redactions, what that appeal process revealed to me was that it was part of a schedule to that document, the contribution agreement, called the litigation management plan or process. So meaning that schedule was really designed to slow down litigation against health Canada or public health agency of Canada and the third party provider of the service. That was the whole point of that schedule. It was ultimately unredacted by the Office of the Information Commissioner in September,

for me of, I think September of 2023. And so that showed how you deal with the appeals process, which from my experience with the vaccine injury support program, I do not believe they complied with that aspect of the contract. And I apologize we didn't create a slide, but you provided me with those documents, which I have to say just shocked me. So thank you for doing that work with doing the ATI request to reveal this. But I'm just going to read the paragraph that you flagged to my attention. So this is in the contract, and this is what should govern the right to access an appeal. And it reads, so this is section 3.1.3.

Claimants will be advised that a claim can be resubmitted for assessment only if new reliable evidence from a recognized source has arisen to support a causal relationship between the injury and or progression of industry. injury. Now tell us what that means. So that's very interesting and that to me suggests that when people were being refused or denied on their initial application and they were given a time limit to appeal. When I saw that unredacted component, I mean that really opened up the appeal time frame. It means that any time there's new studies, anytime someone with an injury from the vaccine gets a proper diagnosis. And it's been taking a lot of people a lot of time. We've heard that here the past couple of of days. I personally have assisted one individual who took a, whose diagnosis took, I think, four or five years. So once that diagnosis is in, it's a fresh application. To public health

agency can credit, the new program, the new VAP does open up this window. They're willing to look at it now. So it, you know, that's the silver lining. The downside is that I think they're still overwhelmed. They haven't addressed the administrative issue here, which is that there is more applications than they anticipated. And that's also revealed, that's also revealed in the, another A-tip, which shows that 255 people are being moved over from the original program. And I just want to slow this down again, because some people might not understand how this would affect the people that are refused. So if you're refused and you're told you have a short window to appeal, well, that wasn't what the contract said. The contract said, well,

at any time new information comes forward. So if your appeals, your applications refused, we don't recognize this as vaccine injury. And all of a sudden other countries and there's research, no, no, this is vaccine injury. Under the contract, well, you could just reapply because you have new information. And people weren't told this. And you were surprised because it didn't, you're helping people in the appeal process, and it's surprising you that the contract isn't matching what everyone believes? There was, I think, confusion in the communication as to, yes, what is the finality of that first decision, and also confusion about the three-year final cutoff for any application. So I think there was some provisions that said there's a firm three-year cut-off, but then you have

this other provision that says subject to, you know, if there's additional information or evidence. What's the experience been like dealing with the vaccine injury support program, like as a lawyer trying to help? So the main issue I have, and if it's one recommendation I can make for a public health agency Canada going forward, is the chain of custody for medical records. The major, major issue is that they're asking for medical records to come directly from the medical care provider. Our doctors are already overwhelmed. the admin staff is already overwhelmed to have them have direct communication with PHAC for those documents is a burden on the hospital system. So that was one issue I found was that there were major delays just in getting the medical records.

In court, all you have to do is have an affidavit and you attach all your documents as exhibits and you swear, you swear affirm that affidavit and it's before a judge. If it's good enough for a judge, it should be good enough for public health agency of Canada to make a determination. So that's one. The other issue was a lot of turnover in the case managers. That really caused a lot of delays in the applications, a lot of confusion. But again, I think, to their credit, I think PHAC has recognized this. The only question is whether they have boots on the ground to now deal with this, to, you know, to solve the problem. Thanks for coming.

And when we originally talked, you know, this is a mystery, this whole BIS program. So I didn't realize, and I know we've had a couple of conversations, that it was actually like it was part of the contract, that that amount of money would go to actual administration. So my question in terms of how much more knowledge you have with a new program versus the old program? You sort of talked a bit, but is there still a lot of, we have no idea? It's, they've put up some good information on the website about it. And I did obtain additional A-Tips through a third party. and I think, you know, Blackwalks did report on it,

but in terms of, you know, this is the rebranding. It's called the impact assessment. Correct, yeah. And so I think that the new program has a number of benefits. It doesn't, first of all, the time window. They're accepting new applications. They're looking at all the people who are, you know, administratively denied at the VISB, at the original program.

They're willing to look at those denials on, you know. And again, I think the, budget, I think, has not been, from what I've seen, there's been no limit in the budget. Okay, so they're going to open it up. There's no, it's not necessarily a cap now. You're saying that. Correct. And so the other, the prior program had an annual salary, income replacement cap of $100,000 per person per year. There's no cap to the new program from what I've seen. There was also a fixed amount for a death benefit. There was a fixed amount for injury benefits. So those don't appear for what I've seen limited in the new program, which, again, is to P. HACS credit.

Okay, well, that sounds encouraging. I guess my other question would be then, although they may have seemed to open it up a bit more flexible, it's probably too early to tell whether people are still having a hard time filling out applications, getting them in, and in response time. I mean, that's really tell. That's a typical complaint against government bureaucracy. Every program, right? I think there is a lot of redundancy that could probably be reduced with, you know, if people fill forms online.

But again, it's getting those documents in there from, you know, in a different format. Also ensuring that there are, that there is a medical review board in place. I haven't seen any evidence that there is actually medical practitioners or doctors as part of that, the new program. So that's a concern. I think ATIPs have been, you know, been sought about that to determine who those doctors are. if they've been established. But that needs to be confirmed because that's your bottleneck. So we're not making recommendations as a quarry.

But if you could recommend a few things that would make sense for the program, have you thought about that at all in terms of that, or would you be willing to provide some information for us after the fact? Sure, yeah, I'd be happy to. Do you have anything off the top of your head right now? Or are you been thinking about anything? Well, I can say, just those two issues. which is the chain of custody of medical records to make that simpler

and more efficient for everybody. Win for the doctors, win for the hospitals, win for everybody. And the other recommendation I would say is just to get that review board and have it certified all the prior decisions that were made. I haven't seen like they've attached the decision as a schedule and we're told by a case manager that that was reviewed by a board, but we need better evidence. And my recognition would be to have a regular.

professional confirm that there has been a team and I know we don't want to name medical professionals because it is there can be a you know concern there for their careers I think they should be identified to someone who can just verify that they have the qualifications to make those determinations that's great well I just find it interesting that in every other forum we know who the decision maker is we can see if there's bias and appeal based on bias we can see if they're qualified an appeal based on qualified, but for some reason, because this is a forbidden topic,

that there's a risk of disclosing medical practitioners in case they happen to be ruling in favor of vaccine injured, that that could hurt their careers. I mean, that's in itself, speaks volumes. I acknowledge it is unusual. Every tribunal in this country, from what I know is the tribunal members are all identified, I guess because the response, the COVID response was so dramatic and it was very volatile. I appreciate that it's now a sensitive, sensitive area. Okay, we're almost out of time, but any final thoughts for us on this? I know that's it.

I just thank you very much for allowing me the opportunity. I really appreciate all our discussions and thank you all for. Well, thanks. Thank you very much for the input. It's very helpful. Thank you. And I know you traveled on short notice to do this. We really appreciate you coming and sharing this.

Thank you. Okay. So we're going to break for lunch now from 1230 to 115. But what we are going to do, we've got Theresa Buckley, we had over 1,400 people. We mentioned that a few times. And we want to read some of the names into our record. So she is going to spend some time doing that over the course of lunch. We are breaking for lunch, but she'll be doing that and doing that for part of the feed that's being sent out.

So. Okay. Kelly Butler. Wendy DeGresci. Danielle Rodick. Loretta Buntan. Vicki Armstrong. Daniela Rodick.

Jody Delwo. Michael Defani. Erin Gillis. Cindy Byers. Sherry Guttard. Leanne Dale. Renee Sigowinch. Jason Sotak.

Melissa McHeldney. Natasha Grobia. Crystal Taryn. Daniel Smith. Jennifer Barrassa. Mark William Hayes Dallas Phileon Anita Byron

Julie Pinder Carrie Sakamoto Zara Cormer Christine LeBonk Andrew Lung Laura Condon Mitchell Smith Ron Halko

Josephine Josephine Filié, Michelle Wharton, Kayla Pollock, Shannon Goldaid, Tanya Moody, Margaret Schuller, Norm Beauvais, Cheryl Schute on behalf of her deceased father, Dmitri Ortiski, Mark Chapman, Annabelle Edge, Shawna Keynes Dorothy McAdam Michael James McNair

Danielle Ezy Behales Trudy Hill Diane Spalding Christopher Cormier Jensen Carl Bistet Shelby Gondor Robert Lawler Steger

Jameson Cobbs Alicia Bishop for Hudson Bishop or son, Jane Emily Newton, Tracy Billingsky, Michael Osh, Crystal Metzendger, Laura Vale, Tanya, Trevor, Daniela Rodick, Paula St. Arnault, Laura English, Erica Ryan, Elizabeth Amortage, Shelley Mitterhaus, Tracy Hewitt, Jason Yankee, Catherine Christensen on behalf of CAF members, Sarah Charlotton, Mac Liddle, Crystal Dunome, Jennifer Ellard Alexis, John Cushing, Lisa Bonell, Christine, Shane Leightall, Diane Okima, Sheila, Sheila, Neity, Regina Way, Mike Hughes, Lisa Faust, Maxine Pequin, Tammy Osborne, Monica Menard, Dale DuPui, Katerina Kuhn, Vedrin Vanek, Stephanie Simpson, Daniela Rodak, David Stanton Graham, Victoria

Carol Monet, Heather Murray, Emily Estavis, Darren Byers, Paula Needler, Brent Bear, Barbara Baugh, Alison Anger, Karen Taylor, Daniela Rodak, Jennifer Jacobs, Walter Slater, Alison Elizabeth Frye Leslie Bartha Daniela Sigah Neal Burkett Randy Reeve Earl Bryson Tyson Dore Arthur Berzak Stefan Kim Sadovic

Carol Skinner Blair Meadows Koresa Borough Roger Heather Tishinoff Sharon Bolton Darlene Parsons Christine Sotosak

Annette Martin Jason Urcott Chechchisham Joanna Samson Donna Lujic Karen Cobble Tammy Anthony Kingsbury

Marguerite Poulin Douglas Eldon Kavanagh Diane Kinier Thor Hart Cindy Young Della Fleming Joyce Bogart

Lyle Fenning Donna McCray Buntan Daniel Purine Jennifer Lowe Joel Leonard Ruth Davy Dellen Watmos Leona Power

Carol Baumgarten Dawn Menard Jamie R. Daniels Wendy Jenkins Rochelle Caroline Plaza Leanne Lightfoot Kirk St. John Tammy Forrest

Susan Conway Kurt Peggy Dresson Kevin Street Darren O'Rourke Tom Elassier Caitlin Wilde Ross Whiteman

Dave Lorena Leggery, Jasmine Macbeth, Christine Renee Ditzel, Ambler Marshall, Brian Wills, Michelle Thorn, Ronald Anthony Cole, Cameron William Hubert Hitchcock, Jennifer Britton. For her mom, Crystal Clark, Rosario Massana, Anthony Cressini, Nicholas Stewart, Deanne Seton, Justin Martin, Dan Hartman, Marie-Louise Allen, Rachel Hardy, Marnie Flanagan, Arlen Sansom, Michael Punkel, Sean MacIbbin, Lisa Savalley, April Quinn, Elma Bravo Ramla, Carl McBride, Don Skyloh Stephanie Jewell Brody Bert Nicole Gwaye Jacey Kudakat

Jamie Rowlingston Dr. Andrew George Huff Marcel Cheney Donna Elgeson Christine Preston Leanne Leanne Bourgeon Becky Brown

Donald Andrew Owens Owens, Jessica Manthorne, David W. Fernie, Carrie Plouffe, Jean-Vieve Dubet, Dr. Donald Welsh, Lana Sochuk, Catherine Howland, Andrea Adams, Danielle Sovey, Michelle Richardson, Kevin Bowman, Courtney Darwin, Sandy Boulay, Carrie, White Allen, Wayne Ponzinoe, Mark Maurice, Amanda McLean, Dan Boucher, Maria Kent, Karen Lacksen-Wittford, Patrick Eccleses, Angela Geldart, James Fess, Maria Dunning, Vivian Buckley, Karen Cummings, Elisa Crevier Michael Thomas James Mark Challoner Chris Darlington

Dr. Shelley Evans Lindsay Scott Carolyn Martins Rodney Lundrigan Peregrignon Yvonne Yvonne Yvonne

Denise Ketching Cynthia Horvath Melissa Randall Lorraine Hollichuk James Freeland Kenneth Barnes Christine Dill Amy Martino Corey Richard

Kayen Amy Martino Andrew Laurie Smith Joanne Smith Christy Lynn Heberhardt Victoria Simmons Matthew

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Dallas McDougall Rhonda Smith Ashley Roberts and Daniel Russell Welcome back to the afternoon and I'm going to turn over my colleague Mr. Sean Butler Thank you Mr. Chairman

Our first witness this afternoon Is it okay if I call you Dr. Jessica Rose? Because you've got a PhD, postdocs, postdocs. So our first witness is Dr. Jessica Rose, who is a Canadian researcher. Dr. Rose, first of all, we'll swear you in. So Dr. Rose, do you promise, or I guess you take the Bible in right hand, do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth? So I'll help you that.

Yes. So I just want to introduce you to the inquiry. So Dr. Jessica Rose is a Canadian researcher with a bachelor's degree in applied mathematics, a master's degree in immunology, a PhD in computational biology, two postdoctoral degrees, one in molecular biology and one in biochemistry. She has her most recent or more recent research efforts are aimed at a descriptive analysis of the vaccine adverse event reporting system data. And she's also done some research into the vaccine injury support program for the purposes of this inquiry. And Dr. Rose, I understand that you've prepared a presentation for us, so I'd invite you to present.

Thanks. I have a few slides. It's all about data, various and sundry, Canadian-American, some information on the VISP system as well. Before I start, I just want to extend very heartfelt thank yous to Dean and Sean and your wife, Teresa, the MPs for showing up and the injured most of all. I mean, I've been doing this for five years or so, and I'm only doing it for the injured people. So I think that this has already been incredibly impactful, and I think it's going to resonate throughout the world.

I honestly believe that with or without my testimony. So I want to start with some American data. This is the V-Safe data. This was an app created by CDC, Centers for Disease, control in America to enable the regular people of the world to download the app and report an adverse event if they succumb to one. This had to be FOIA requested by the informed consent action network and Aaron Series legal team. So this data that became available was only made available because it was FOIA requested. It's very important that I make that point. It took a year and a half

to complete that process. And I analyzed it about two weeks after the data came out. And you can see on the bottom bar that there were almost 800,000 reports of the 10 million that were reported that required medical care. Now, that was the surface level data that we had. Another staggering thing about this data was that only 30,492 of those reports

were linked to VERS, which is the vaccine adverse event reporting system, which represents an under-reporting factor of approximately 26. Senator Johnson mentioned that pharmacovigilance databases that are passive, which means it requires a volunteer submission, are highly underreported, and they are. So all the numbers I'm going to present to you today in reference to VERS, you have to multiply them by at least 26.

That's the point. Very recently, in August, 26, Brett Zabwey, a colleague of mine and Nelson Liu, these are MIT researchers, submitted a preprint on the subject matter of this data, and they found the following. There were almost 2% of the 10 million reports that reported over three months after their last shot that their health condition was worsening. And half of those, which is about 1%, a lot of people, 100,000, explicitly reported prolonged decisions. disability, hospitalization, or severe and debilitating adverse events. Now, if you consider the fact that 272 million people in the United States received at least one dose by extension, you can make a prediction that over 5 million people in America

alone might be suffering with debilitating injuries. So this is not a small deal. I'll go quickly through this because it's an obvious slide. Prior to the COVID-19 injection rollout for four years, 2016 to 2020, all the data combined, gathered by the WHO and the Upschala Monitoring Center, which is run by the WHO, have a total of less than a million, less than half a million, less than half a million adverse event reports for all vaccines combined across the world. Come 2021, this rose, same people reporting this data to almost 6,000.

million. That's not a small discrepancy. That is a safety signal. Thirteen hundred percent or more increase in the number of global reports. Now, whenever you're analyzing or investigating pharmacovigilance databases, you have to follow up. And if there is a safety signal detected therein, you have to do a causality assessment. These are the Bradford Hill Cripes. listed here, this is what the CDC, the FDA, and the WHO use they've traditionally used in the past, and they have used these to make determinations of causal effects that you can see on the right. But this is a short list. So these are the ones that we all heard about, the myocarditis, pericarditis, thrombosis with thrombocytoppedia syndrome, deaths, which were causally linked to the TTS,

Guillain Barre, which we heard about today, and anaphylaxis, of course. There was a particular Moderna batch number that had to be withdrawn in the United States because the signal for anaphylaxis was so high. Temporality is the mandatory gatekeeper of these criteria, of course. One thing has to come before the other in order for a causal effect to be there, and the short of the time frame between those two things, the higher the likelihood. I've heard a number of people here saying that they got their symptoms within hours of their shots. So that's the most important criteria and it's satisfied.

So these are acknowledged by all of these agencies here, a CPC, D, FDA, FDA, and EMA. So this is not anecdotal. Like I said, pharmacovigilance, which is necessary when you're dealing with vaccines, includes follow-up. And it works. So back in 1998, there was a vaccine called the Rota Shield vaccine, and within bears, the vaccine adverse event reporting system, there were 15-1-5 interception reports. Interception is when the bowel folds over on itself. It's very painful.

This was in children. The CDC saw the signal. They looked it up. They suspended the vaccine because this was considered to be a strong enough safety signal to do an investigation, and lucky that they did, because follow-up had almost 100 confirmed cases and 60 within a week. So that's showing a temporal signal. Eventually, in 1999, the manufacturer themselves voluntarily withdrew the product because they saw that it was damaging kids. So the point of this, before I show you that, is that VERS works. I'm absolutely sure everybody

here has heard, well, you can't use verres to enforce causation. It's like nobody's saying that. But you need to have a detection system ongoing in order to detect the signals with proper signal maintenance like Senator Johnson was speaking about. And then you have to do follow-up. You have to do a causality assessment, which was not the case in the context of the COVID-19, quote-unquote, vaccines. This is my data. I've been looking at theirs since they wanted the rollout December 17th, 2020. And there was a death signal on January 30th, 2021 that was not deniable. 634 cases of death.

Now, last time I checked, you can't recover from death. This is clearly showing that most of these deaths are occurring in our elders, but this makes sense because they were targeted first for the products. So my question is, why did the early death signal not prompt similar action in the COVID-shot context? Because this is CDC data. VERS is owned by HHS and its daughter agencies, FDA and CDC. One more thing about the U.S., and this is important. They also have an HHS medical countermeasures injury compensation program, as Senator Johnson pointed out.

This is all they have. And they themselves report that they received 13,33 COVID-19 claims, which was 27 times the claims in the program's first decade alone. They completed review of about one-fourth, and they only found that 3% were completed. And those people were eligible for compensation. That does not mean that they received compensation. And as React 19 point out, astonishingly the CICP has rejected over 90. 7% of the COVID-19 vaccine injury claims. So this is a global problem from my point of view.

So this is a little bit of information that I found from an A-TIP document, thanks to the people who got this to me, about the VISP or the VIAP program. It is called a no fault-based compensation program. This was new to me. I had no idea what this meant. And here's the timeline. So late 2020,

group of people got together. They wanted to design a no-fault vaccine injury compensation scheme in Canada. In June 2021, they created Visp, which was formally launched. This was run by a private contractor named Oxaro Inc. funded by Ottawa. And in April 1st, 2026, more recently transitioned to 2 Viap, which is run by Pai. So there's a little bit of a conflict of interest there, if you ask me, because they author on and promote these so-called vaccines. They're the promoter and the payer.

Now, something that didn't surprise me, but annoyed me, was to found out of the eligibility requirements, which means that somebody has to prove that they were seriously and permanently injured. And as we've been hearing here today, I mean, that's almost impossible. To establish causation in the first place is very difficult to do,

to do it in the face of agencies and individuals who refuse to acknowledge that even vaccine injury is a thing is even more difficult. So what no fault from my understanding actually means is that proof of negligence is not required and it actually steers most of the injury claims away from lawsuits, which is very interesting to me. So there's a bunch of money set aside by the Canadian government for people who can prove that they got injured and they can get some of that money. And as far as I know, they've dealt out about $21 million so far, which is nothing. What I thought was interesting within this 362-page document was that the design and the planning of this no-fault vaccine injury compensation program,

was all in secret. I put the red box around secret, but these documents were labeled secret, and I don't understand how or why that would have been done. All of these plans were done behind closed doors, and it was to, by their words, bring Canada in line with its G7 counterparts in the context of mandatory vaccines.

I'm going to go quickly through here. The principal reasons to align with other countries, like G7 countries in developing the NICP. Well, if it's principled, then why was it redacted completely, as was the Declaration of Conflict of Interest, as were the arguments against vaccine injury compensation, as were the final words. All three pages of the conflicts of interest

listed by the Canadian COVID-19 vaccine task force members were redacted, all of them. One more thing. This I thought was, again, very annoying but not surprising. On page 330, there's a question, what is the government of Canada doing to address vaccine hesitancy? So the World Health Organization identifies vaccine hesitancy as a threat. This is their words, the government of Canada made addressing this threat of priority. And in early December 2020, PHA consulted with all the other provinces and territories on the establishment of a pan-Canadian no-fault vaccine injury compensation program.

And they planned out in this 362-page document how to combat, that's their word, concerns of Canadian citizens. And, you know, Teresa Tam was mentioned yesterday. I was shocked. Senator Johnson didn't know who she is, but she was first and at the first, of this combating of misinformation campaign and the concerns of Canadian citizens, a lot of time and money was spent on studying this concept of vaccine hesitancy. And this might shock you. I was surprised by this. A poll was done on September 11, 2020, and it showed that almost 60% of people were not the strong supporters of getting this COVID-19 shot. They were polling people.

They were trying to figure out, like, where Canadian citizens stood. And they found out that they stood pretty firmly on the side of not getting it. And that's why the campaign was launched. This hesitancy idea needed to be obliterated. Again, their words, combating the concerns regarding vaccine hesitancy was a priority to those involved developing this compensation program. Shockingly, this is the only available data that the regular person gets to have access to online. And I can tell you with certainty that this total claims received number of 3,557 is an underestimate of the number of people who submitted claims.

And shockingly, only 252 were actually approved. It was about 7% of the total that were received. and this number is an underestimate. I heard somebody mentioned that they went through the appeals process, and it might discuss you to find out that of the 551 listed appeals that were received, only a fraction were assessed, and even a smaller fraction were actually approved. So only 30% were actually assessed, and only 2% were approved. This is the data that you can access online.

which again, I heard a reference to that was underreported, and it absolutely is, and I'm going to show you why I think that. So this represents all of the total adverse events reported and the serious adverse events, which includes death, hospitalization, an emergency room visit, a life-threatening illness, a birth defect, or hospitalization. These are serious conditions. And according to PHAQ and the KFIS system and also Health Canada's Vignolence Program, these are the three sources of data that I found I could access something. They found that one in nine thousand people reported a serious adverse event. Now that might not sound like a lot, but to me that sounds like a lot. Myocarditis and death on the right were both reported to be temporarily related to the shots.

Now I wanted to show you guys something interesting. The way that Phech presents their data is per total doses, so approximately 102 million doses in the Canadian data. If you change that to people, so instead of per 102 million doses, doses, you have 32 million people approximately who got one or two shots. It's interesting how the rate goes up. So this is one of these little magic tricks that you can use when you present data. You can either make it look better or worse, considering what your story is. And I know how gross that sounds, but it happens all the time. So they don't report it this way per person, and they might do that for a reason, but this is how they present it to the public. I'm going to stick with

the way that they do it in order to be consistent. So VERS, in short, vaccine adverse event reporting system is a passive reporting system, which means that anybody can volunteer a report, but as Senator Johnson correctly pointed out, about 67% are submitted by health practitioners and nurses. And it serves as an early warning system or signaling system. for adverse events not detected during pre-market testing or clinical trials. And underreporting, as I stated, is a known imperfection. This system is not perfect, but it's what we have because vaccines are liability-free. This is what we have.

And let me tell you, has it been used? Oops. So again, there's a Lazarus study that Senator Johnson referenced that says it's 100 times unreported, unreported underreported, I would say it's closer to 30 in the context of the COVID shots. So now I want to show you the difference between US VAERS data and the Canadian data that I just showed you. Can I just stop you and clarify? Because when you're saying 30, it's based on this reporting on an app. No, this is different. This is VAERS. So V-Safe is separate. That's the app. And V-Safe is the online reporting system. Right. But I just want to.

understand is, I think earlier you said, based on this app reporting, you thought that VERS was underreported about 27%. But we don't, we're assuming then that there's, that's compared to those too, but how many people use that app and download that app? I'm just curious if maybe the study by Harvard saying it's underreported by 100 might be correct. It couldn't be, but was in a different context. My belief is that because COVID was, you know, global, everybody knows about it. More people know about fares now. I'd say the underreporting factor in the context of the COVID shots is closer to 30. I've actually calculated this using Pfizer's Phase 3 clinical trial data as well. I got 31. So it's in very strong alignment with my previous calculation. But you never know.

No, and I'm just asking the question, and I understand that you have a PhD in computation. No, no, it's not just because I've been doing this for so long. I dare say it's closer to 30, which is still gross, because when you multiply almost a million reports by 30, that's a lot. So a lot of people say that the numbers are much higher in theirs because, you know, it's overreported, and everybody knows about. I'm going to, these slides that I made today are going to blow all of those lies out of the water. So this slide represents the fact that there are far more reports in VAERS in the US database than in Canada. There are far more Americans than Canadians, but I'm going to show you the rates. These are rates actually right here.

So preliminary comparison, we can see Canada's low on the U.S. low on the reporting scale. U.S. and Canadian citizens received the same product, so aren't the reporting rates the same? So let's focus on death reports. Again, using KFISPHC's vigilance program. The death rate is low. So this is a rate. This isn't numbers. This is per 100,000 doses, because I kept in line with PHAQ's presentation. And it's very clear here, that from these two adverse event data collection systems, actually it's one versus three for Canada,

the Canadian rate is really low. And you might think, well, maybe VERS is just high. Maybe it's overestimation, who knows? But it's interesting to note that where VERS is passive, which means it's a volunteer reporting system and anybody can report, and they do, the Canadian systems are a hybrid of a hybrid of a passive and active system, which means that they're much more highly vetted and much more

controlled on the front end and the back end. Charles knows a lot about that process. Anybody who's tried to submit a report of an adverse event report in Canada can vouch for it being rejected or getting caught in the system. It's really interesting when you look across the other pharmacovigilance databases around the world, the Dane and Australia, individual and the EU and the yellow card system in the United Kingdom, that it still ranks the lowest.

VERS is still up there, so it's probably about double the average of the other three, but it begs a serious question as to why it's so much lower. And there are possible logical reasons for this, like variations in how systems define and color and clean, or time window reports on the reporting differences could be there. But it's real interesting how in America, it's actually mandated by law that if you are a physician or nurse practitioner, and you even suspect that somebody has an injury due to a vaccine, you are required by law to report that to VERS. They don't, but, you know, Rochelle Wollenski, who was the director of the CDC at the time, is on record stating this. This is a fact. You can go to prison if you don't. You can also go to

prison if you report a false adverse event to VERS, by the way. They make it look like they take this real seriously, and I'm just quoting what, you know, their rules are. So that could explain why the data collection rate for death in the United States is higher, but it also indicates that it's probably more accurate. So here we go with another chart. I hope you guys aren't scared by graphs. These are very simple. What I decided to do when I looked at the VERS data, because we're lucky enough to have it go back to 1990s. So we have a really nice baseline. to refer to. And I looked at the number of authorized vaccine types, which you can see in green, versus the number of adverse event reports in VERS over time. So I looked at 1990 to 2020,

and I extended the number of vaccine types in this particular plot to 2025, so that you could see the continuing trend. And maybe it doesn't look that obvious to, a non-math person, but to me it's obvious that these two lines track real well together. They're both on a slight, you know, in-cline. They're very proportional. There's a proportional increase in the number of adverse events reported in relation to the number of products that has been increasing slowly over the years. That's good.

That, you know, just shows a relationship between the two, a correlation. Now, something I thought I might do to help everybody understand what I'm about to show you is if the blue line, if the number of adverse event reports in VERS was continued in a quote-unquote normal way in the context of the number of vaccine products that were added to the schedule or that were EU authorized between 2021 and 2025, which would include the COVID shots, you kind of expect it to track to about 53,000 reports. You know, it would be a little bit higher than it was in 2020. So that's your blue square?

That's the blue square that I just popped up. Okay. That's what we would expect. Like we, in statistics we have observed versus expected. So a lot of the time you'll run a statistical test and you'll say, okay, this is what we expect and this is what we observe. And you can make a conclusion. So this isn't cut in stone. This is just basically me as an investigator without bias, making a predetermination as to what it might be if things were normal.

So are you ready? This is what we get. So in 2021 in VERS, and I'm going to show you this in a much more clear graph on the next slide, we have a surge up to 753,000. 2047 reports in 2021. It doesn't fit on any line. This is an anomaly. No matter if you're a data analyst or you're looking at pharmacovigilance databases or not, this is anomalous. And this has yet to be explained by the owners of this data, which is HHS, CDC, and FDA. So observation does not match expectation. I'm going to show you the clearer plot.

after I show you something else quite staggering. And that's the conclusion. So another thing that I've done in my years of studying this is I decided to put away any argument that this is just because, you know, there were more COVID shots rolled out. Of course there are going to be more reports. So what I did was a time frame matched the influence of vaccine data and the COVID-19 shot data by the number of adverse events and also the number of types of

adverse events. So when you submit a report to VERS, you get assigned, or when you go to the doctor and they diagnose you with, say, myocarditis, you get assigned a Medro code, which they submit to VERS. And of the Medricodes, you can choose between, or you can choose up to 25,000 odd. So myocarditis is a Medra code. That's going to be important when I show you what I'm about to show you. So in about 462 days, I did this analysis back in March 2022. There were 2.3 times more COVID shots doled out than influenza shots. However, instead of a proportional increase, which you would expect if these things

weren't more harmful, what we get is this. So this is the total number of adverse events collected from theirs for the COVID-19 shots versus influenza. This is 118 times more. That is not proportional. That is anomalous. That's a safety signal, if I ever saw a safety signal. And probably even more concerning is that the number of adverse event types of the 25,000 that you can choose from went up 6.2 times. when you compare it to flu.

This is a clear indication of comprehensive damage, which is perfectly aligned with the fact that this is mostly, if you ask me, this is immunologically based damage. Everybody's talking about autoimmune conditions, metallurgical issues, brain issues. This is all based in immunology going wrong, being offset for some reason. Every clinician I've spoken to, every pharmacist I've spoken to,

every person who's injured I've spoken to has indicated that there's something very different about these shots, harm-wise, comprehensive, injury-wise. And I can tell you, there are almost 2 million reports in VERS in the context of the COVID shots now. and they range from chills to death and everything in between. So if the COVID shots were not more harmful than the influenza vaccines, these numbers would be proportional.

End of story. So this is the chart that I showed you before. This is my classic bungalow skyscraper plot that I call it. So on the X-axis year, you have the years that VERS has been on the go. since 1990. So like I said, we have this beautiful baseline. This is their data, by the way. I do nothing to this data. I just present it. The average number of adverse event reports per year for all vaccines combined up until 2020 was about 23,000. Okay? Easy, easy, easy, normal, normal, a few more products on the market, a few more types of adverse events, a few more

adverse events, nothing anomalous. Enter 2021. We have this enormous surge of adverse event reports whereby the average, even though people stopped getting the shots, let's hope, the average is still way above the baseline. So there is absolutely nothing normal about this. And again, I have to say this again. This has yet to be acknowledged by the owners of the data, which is why people like Senator Johnson, pardon me, are so important because he actually looks at bears in particular, and he recognizes this and he calls it out. I'm sure if anything is going to be done with this data by them, but I hope so. One more chart, which kind of proves the point. This is a comparison of influenza vaccines from 2019 to remove the bias that might have been injected in 2020 and COVID-19

from 2021. So it's a one-year match. This is per million doses. So this is normalized data. And there's a huge difference between the total reports, which is on the left and the deaths on the right. This is exactly what Senator Johnson was talking about yesterday. There's nothing normal about this. If death surging like this doesn't comprise a very loud and clear safety signal from this pharmacovigilance database, I don't know what it does. So it's not. This completely puts to bed the idea that it's because there were more shots doled out.

It's not because of that. You might be stunned to find out that there are a lot of Canadian advertising event reports in VERS. VERS has two sets of data, the domestic data, which refers to all the United States of America, and a foreign data set, which is just as large, which contains a million, more than a million reports. It's a massive file, and it contains the data submitted by the manufacturers of the products like Pfizer, Moderna and AstraZeneca, directly to VERS from people who are living abroad, perhaps they're American, perhaps they're not, but there are millions of these reports. As per Canada, there's a way to sift this data out because there are like 58 variables

and veres that you can choose from. One of them identifies the country of origin of the submitted adverse event report. So there's almost 9,000 COVID-shot-related Canada source AEs reported to And as I was saying before, temporality is like the cornerstone of causation. It's the first step to proving that you have a vaccine causing a specific adverse event. These are serious adverse events here. So this is a narrow form of the data. And you can see that by day seven, there were, like most of the people who reported their serious serious adverse event, and this includes death, happened before day seven. This is a temporal signal.

I used exactly what CDC used before that caused the rotavirus vaccine to get pulled from the market. I chose serious adverse events, and I went within a week. And it's the same. I mean, I guess if it was 1998, maybe they would be doing something. So 43, this is another staggering thing that I found. according to the Vars Handbook of any set of data that comes in, approximately 10 to 15% of those reports will be considered serious. The ones that came in from Canada, almost half of them were considered serious. This is anomalous in and of itself. This is way above the baseline. 71% of Canadians reported an essay in within seven days of injection.

and this is in their data. Like, I just saw this and I was like, what? Does this comprise the adverse event reports that were reported by Kaphis and Phek, etc.? Like, are they even aware of this? Is there any cross-talk between these data sets? Nobody knows. So again, I used the CDC parameters for withdrawal from a vaccine, or a vaccine, and I showed that the number of series adverse event reports after dose one, after dose one,

one, one dose by days to onset, which is seven days, is the major proportion, 65.4. So this is crazy. That's exactly what you look for from a pharmacovigilance database to comprise a signal, to follow up and do a crossality assessment with the intent of pulling the point. product from a market if it's killing people. Seems kind of obvious. I'm almost done. I have to address this, this millions of lives saved claim from the shots. This is absolute, I can't swear, so I'll say boo-hickie. And what most people won't have realized is that this thing, this statistic, this mantra that we hear is literally based

on one peer-reviewed article, this article here. There are a couple others, but this is the one, where everyone gets this quotable statistic of 20 million people where deaths were prevented. I'm a mathematical modeler.

I take great pride in all of my training and not creating bias when you make your assumptions about your model, not interjecting anything when you go through your design or when you estimate your parameters. But it's not an exact science. It never has been. All it can do is give you guidance to make potential predictions about future outcomes. That's how a model can do. This is a modeling study. depending on what the IFR, the infection fatality rate was, which differed, depending on demographic,

it differed depending on variant. There were so many variables here that could be different that would make the outcome of this model, the conclusion of the study, different. That it's worthless. I mean, I'm sorry, authors, I don't mean to offend you, but it might not even be your fault that this became, you. know, the mantra of the world to support these shots being safe and effective. Maybe you had nothing to do with it, but I really want to make sure that people know that next time somebody says, because the legacy community loves to revert to this, well, it's saved millions.

No, no, it didn't. There is nowhere that can, that you can cite that proves that beyond a shadow of doubt. This is based on a modeling study. It's only an idea. And you know what? I'll take it one step further. If you actually wanted to prove to someone that the shots are killing people,

if you try to do that using one modeling paper, you would get laughed out of the door. I'm sorry I'm getting a little bit testy, but like, yeah, it's, um, all of this really annoys me because the data is here and the data is clear. And none of this needed to happen, and it happened for a reason by people who knew. So pharmacovigilance, I will defend it.

It's extremely important. It's kind of like a real-world phase-four trial. So after your clinical trials, your one-two-threes, which aren't supposed to be overlapped, which they were for Pfizer, and they aren't supposed to be rushed. You have to look at what's happening in a larger demographic of people when you administer the problem. up to you have to monitor because maybe because your exclusion criteria list was so long you're you didn't represent a certain population like pregnant women in your trial so you have to monitor this COVID-19 quote-unquote vaccines are liability free now I think that was the target so there's no

impetus or motive to make them safe that's a fact they're not They're not effective and they're not safe. And I could talk for another three hours about why they're not effective. And by the way, somebody should prompt me at the end of this to talk about the DNA contamination issue. And actually, I'm going to ask that we stay away from that because we haven't had time to review what you want to say. No problem. So we want to end. But probably we've got about five minutes left.

I'm done. So, okay. You guys can read this. I just want to end by saying, pharmacovigilance signal that is undercounted or ignored and thinly compensated when recognized is incomplete public health policy. And that's what this has all been about. It's always been about, well, you have to do it for your health. You have to do it for others.

You have to do the greater good. None of this was about public health policy. This was about investments and stock markets and a wealth transfer that we've never, seeing the likes of, if you ask me. And the really hard part to swallow is all the casualties along the way. You know, there are some people who make claims that I don't really stand by, that they're, you know, the quote-unquote they're trying to kill us. Maybe they are. But, I mean, it doesn't matter because the casualty list is so high now. It might as well be that way. I really have to wonder where the care in health care has gone if it was ever there, because I don't see it.

And I clicked the wrong button. That's it for me. I do this for the injured. I'm doing this for humanity because I think we're actually in an existential crisis right now. And when they do this again, because I believe that they will. Just say no. Hold on to your national and personal sovereignty and just say no. Assert yourself.

You have support. Trust me. Thank you, doctor. Does anyone have any questions? We had a question the other day about the self-reporting. John, remember we were talking about. It went offline before. Is that actually true?

Yeah. Yeah, so what, Jessica, Dr. Rose, what Mr. Allison is speaking about is, so before with our just Health Canada's regular adverse reaction reporting system, pre-COVID, so pre-COVID, it was online. And a doctor could just go online and fill it in. A citizen could go online and fill it in because the idea was, well, it's meant to be an early warning system, like you say, not be evident. of causation, but to raise a flag that, hey, maybe we should be looking at causation here and very quickly. Well, so that disappeared shortly before COVID. It's back now, but it disappeared.

So during the COVID period, Canadians could not submit to online, and then also they created a system where now you had to submit to a provincial board. Yeah. As we had Dr. Hoff speak at the press conference. So it seems to me that actually that's how you short-circuit an early warning system is you put barriers between the doctor or the patient and the reporting system. And that might be one explanation as to why we had, you know, not the only explanation, but one explanation for why there's less reports of them.

Well, that also requires pre-thought. That had to have been done with intention. I don't. Thank you very much for your presentation. It's quite stunning, as far as a number of cases that were reported compared to regular years. You mentioned January 2021, and it's interesting because I had one consent. that came to me. Her name was Francie DeProme. And she said that her mother, in January 2021, 7-9 years old, she took a Moderna vaccine and within 10 minutes had difficulty

breathing. And they administered two epi pens and couldn't save her. She died within 15 minutes. She died. Died. And from severe athletic shock, despite never having had an allergic reaction in the past. And so it's, yeah, this is just one of the many cases. So I just appreciate just the information that you're bringing forth right now. It's important. It's very important.

I hope I filled some gaps. I bet you I could tell you that lot number. There is a full awareness within the agencies and the manufacturers, if you ask me, all of this. And again, not to revert to what Senator Johnson was saying, but he's absolutely right. I am always thinking to myself, like, these guys must be pulling their pants right now with all of this data coming in, because they're the ones manufacturing the products. They're the ones they're not liable. But what about their consciences? Like, what about their kids? Like, how do they... I don't understand that part of it.

Like how do they keep doing it? Like you can be forgiven for making a mistake if you ask for forgiveness, if you're honest, if you tell the truth. But if you know that you're doing something bad and it's hurting people and you keep doing it, it's malice. Like, I don't get that part.

Okay, we're almost at a time, but Mr. Mahal, you wanted to ask a, Thank you. Thanks. Thank you, Dr. First of all, for all the detailed research and facts that you have presented to the committee. You mentioned that there is a parallel legislation. There is a legislation in the U.S. that mandates the nurses and other medical professionals to report these kind of vaccine injuries. And I practiced law for about 12 years before jumping into this role. We had a legislation. It's called Child, Youth and Family Enhancement in Alberta.

that mandates legal professionals, anyone who comes in contact with the children, and they believe that there is a harm or there is a threat that they need to report to the authorities, and they take it from there. Yet we see all the witnesses or many of the witnesses. They were, in fact, being pushed back by the professionals, by the specialist, to not report it or not acknowledge that these are vaccine injuries. So not only that we need to have a parallel legislation in Canada that mandates I'm not going into the conscious of, you mentioned on the conscious party, on the manufacturers.

But what you think needs to be done in regards to a legislation that would not, in fact, force the specialist, even though who wants to come up and help, would not force them to go into hide. Rather, it would require them to, say, report it to encourage the victims to report it and encourage it and come on. and participate in all these fact findings. What do I think would help? All this guilt tripping has to stop. I just don't see how, like, I have to think of it from the top. It's everybody's afraid from either side of the fence to report or the doctors are afraid to, even in the states, they're legally mandated to do so.

They're not, they're not. They just refuse. They're off the hook because when your mind doesn't believe in vaccine injury, if you don't believe that it's real and a patient comes to you, even in anaphylactic shock, and they say they just had a vaccine, if you don't believe that that's a thing, then you'll probably deny them, and then you're not culpable. You don't have to report. So it's like it has to come from the top.

Like we have to stop being... From your point of view, how can we change that? status quo then? What should be done to change that status goes through to this kind of thing? Can I interject? And I'm sorry, but it's just I don't want to tell a witness at the end that they can't testify. So especially a vaccine injured who's at the end of the day. So I've got, fine. We just got kind of, but I do want to, Dr. Rose, thank you for coming. And I hope that the inquiry in the public understands you did some original research for this. Yeah. And so this is some of this data, that it's being presented for the first time at, you know, great work.

And Dr. Rose traveled an enormous distance to be here in person. And we think, because we asked you if you would come in person, and we understand that it was a huge inconvenience. But we are thankful to have you, and I assure you that this has been very valuable. Thank you. Thank you for having me. Dr. Rose, thank you very much. We do appreciate it.

So our next witness is James Freeland. James, can you take the Bible in your right hand there? James, do you swear, I'm sorry, James Freeland, do you swear to tell the whole truth? Nothing but the truth. So happy God. Actually, again? Yes, I do.

And you can leave that on. So your mother's name is Don. Donna Lee Stevens, Freeland. Correct. But you refer to her as my ma. My mom, yeah. And your mother did not have COVID. You're going to describe something that happened, but she was being tested.

This is not COVID. Can you tell us about your mother, who I will call Donna Lee Stevens, or Donna, what's to call her, Donna? And you can call her mom. I'll call her mom. Yeah, so she was my mom. My mom was a single mother, raised me right, and she did not have COVID. She was a law-abiding citizen, always listen to the government, you know, listen to everything that had to be done right and, you know, did everything by the books.

And when this pandemic came into effect, you know, she was really into doing what was told to be done. And when it got down to it and, you know, It was really down to the nitty gritty and it was all about getting the shots and, you know, it was all over the news about you have to get it done to protect everybody. And I myself have multiple sclerosis, so I'm immune compromised. And when they started talking about that, and, you know, you've got to protect people that are immune compromise. She was really scared to, you know, affect me in any kind of way. So she was talking about getting it. Well, I was getting it first.

Before we go there, I just want you to describe it. who she was a little more. Who she was? Yeah, because when you and I were talking, you had some really beautiful things to say about her. Oh, my mom. And I'm hoping that you can help us to understand. My mom was an amazing woman.

Again, like I said, she was a single mother, and she raised me with love, passion, compassion. And, you know, she worked all her life. and she put her everything into me. I grew up in what some people would call a ghetto. I guess you would call it a suburbary housing type deal. And she did everything that she could do

to ensure that I didn't become a statistic or become something that, you know, unsavory character, I guess you can call it. And it worked. I became a hardworking person. And, you know, she did everything she could do in life to make me a happy person, to make our lives happy. And, you know, she just was an amazing person.

She was a person that made everybody happy around her. She was the life of the parties, made everybody smile. And, you know, there wasn't anything that she couldn't do. She was my mentor. She was my, she taught me how to love. She taught me how to, you know, be fear. fearful, be not fearful, and, you know, taught me how to be tough and, you know, taught me all the things how to get through life. You also described her to me as kind and loving.

Oh, she was extremely kind of loving, extremely. And you also described to me that before what you're going to describe, you know, she had had type 2 diabetes, but she was very well managed. Yes. She had really no limitations on her life. No, she had no limitations. Okay. Can we pull up? You sent a couple of photos that I'd like to show,

just so that people can see who your mom is. So she's the one there holding the puppy. Holding the puppy. That's my mom, daughter. Yeah, she's always got a smile on her face. Usually always has her friends with her. They're smiling with her. Yeah, and that's her dog Dudley.

She always had a phone fascination with her puppy. I was her only child, so when she did have her dog, that was her other child. So. Right. Well, I hope there wasn't too much competition. Not at all. No, I got a bit more once in a while. But this was an important picture because she's laughing and smiling and those around her. And that was a characteristic of her, wasn't it? Absolutely. A real joy and happiness.

Absolutely. Every day. And can we go to the next picture? And this is you and her. That's me and her. That's when my son was born. She came. I lived in Edmonton. She came from all the way from Ontario to Edmonton. that's my son was 11 days old. Yeah, she came out there and saved up all her money. She was a hardworking cashier and she came out there to visit me to introduce, so I can introduce her to my son, a grandson.

So, and just as far as I'll just introduce you. Well, no, let's just go into her experience. Tell us what happened. Well, like I said, I'm immunocompromise, so it started off with that, started out with a bunch of, you know, the commercials and, you know, Trudeau and all the different commercials of, you know, you've got to get tested, you got to get, sorry, you've got to get the vaccine, you got to protect everybody else, you've got to protect the immunocompromise and all the commercials coming out saying, you know, if you're 65 and older, the older group's going to get it first,

If you're immunocompromise, you'll get a special number to go with the older groups. My mom kept calling me, telling me, you've got to go get it done. You've got to go get it done. And, you know, I was iffy at the beginning, just like the fella earlier was iffy. Because, you know, it was being rolled out too fast. There was way too many things that weren't lining up for me. I'm a very observant and curious person, so it just wasn't lining up for me at first. and she was being very adamant about me getting it

because of my immunocompromise situation. As a matter of fact, I got a phone call from our public health unit and I don't know how they got my number. I don't know how it happened, but they told me that I have a special number to go for this shot. I said, I'm not really interested right now, and I was considered a, what do they call that, a worker, essential?

Essential worker. So I was working seven days a week, 12 hour shifts. I was a health and safety worker. And so I said, no, I really don't have the time, you know, and this and that. And so they called me again

two days later and told me, like, you know, if I don't do it, they told me that I was going to die if I catch it. That's exact words that they told me. And so it kind of put fear in my eyes in my heart. I have a son, you know, I didn't want to do that. So I went and got a shot.

So since I got the shot, shot. That made my mom go get the shot. So she went and got her first shot. I got my first shot. After I got my arm was a limp. I couldn't use my arm for the first day. I couldn't use it. It was not usable. She got her shot. First shot, I don't know, it was a couple weeks later. She had the same effect. She couldn't use her arm for the first day. So I said, oh, me too, Ma. You know what I mean? Like the same thing, but it went away after 24 hours, you know, and it was fine. I went to go get my second shot. I don't know, I can't remember three weeks later or whatever it was.

They scheduled it. She also had to get her shot three weeks, second shot three weeks later. My second shot, I didn't feel not too much, right? There wasn't anything wrong with me. She went to go get her second shot, and she went in on July 5th. And I had called her that morning because my girlfriend at the time's birthday was on July 7th, and we had planned to go for dinner on July 7th. And her, I'm sorry, my mom and her fiance were going to come with us for dinner.

So I had called her on July 5th to ensure that she was still coming. Oh, yeah, Jane. She used to call me, Jane. She said, yeah, we're going to come. I'm just going to go from my shot. and I'll call you when I'm done. I said, okay, Mom, I'll be at work. If I don't get the call, please, just, you know, call back or leave a message.

She did call me, but when she called me, she called me right when she got the shot. And I did answer, and she said, Jay, I'm not feeling good. I don't feel good at all. And I said, what do you mean, Mom? Like, what are you doing? She says, I just got my shot. And I said, what do you mean? where are you? She says, I'm at the Carmichael Arena.

And I'm like, well, what are you doing? And she says, well, I'm in the 15 minute waiting for the observation. I said, well, do you tell the nurse? Are you telling the nurse? She says, she says, it's normal. And I said, what are you feeling? Like, Ma, she says, I got my heart's racing. There's so much anxiety. I'm sweating like crazy. I'm nauseous. I don't feel good, Jane. I don't feel good. I'm like, well, what are they telling you? And she said just to wait it out, I got 15 minutes.

And I said, well, Ma, tell her like you're really bad. You don't feel like this. You never feel like this. She said that she bed. She's telling the lady that the nurse that she's feeling like this, the nurse is saying it's fine. It's just a common side effect. You'll feel better.

It's just going to go away. After the 15 minutes, it got worse. They told her that she could leave. She left. She got home. No, she called you on the way home, though, She said, well, she called me on the way home. She said it's getting worse.

And then she gone home, I called her again. She said, James, I'm not feeling good at all. I'm going to go lay down. I'm going to go rest. I'm going to see if I could rest us off. And I talked to Jim, her partner. He says, yeah, James, she doesn't look good. You know, she's not feeling good.

She's going to go lay down. He'll call you around supper, you know. So after work, I called her again. She was asleep. Well, not sleeping, but in bed. I said, Jim, what's going on? And she said, I don't know, James, she says, she's just not feeling good.

Can't get out of the washrooms, constantly puking, constantly getting sick, you know, diarrhea. I said, Jim, you gotta call the hospital. You gotta go to the doctors. And at that time, because of the peak of the pandemic, they didn't want you to go to the hospital. They didn't want anybody to go to the hospital unless you were severely sick.

And I was a health and safety officer at the time. So I had COVID tests from my guys, at work. So I took COVID test home and I put them on her doorstep. So I said, you have to test it to see if she has COVID. I don't know what it is, but see if she has COVID. So I put him on her doorstep and I drove home. And he tested her if she didn't have COVID. It came up negative for COVID. And when I went home that night, that's the fifth of that night, the next day, I called again. She is worse.

She barely has any energy. She's nauseous, fever, can't get out of bed, diarrhea, having accidents in her pants, calls the hospital. They tell them not to bring her in. They say,

don't bring her in. We're having influx of COVID cases. You know, it's not, you can't bring her in. What do we do? Keep her comfortable, you know, hydrator and all that kind of stuff. Keep her fever, do COVID tests. We've done a COVID test.

She doesn't have COVID. Okay, well, then just, you know, treat it as like the flu-s-life symptoms, and get rest for fluids. We did that throughout the day, nothing changed. It got worse. It got worse, and it got worse, and it got worse. I called throughout the day, talked to my mom, she was not getting any better.

On the seventh morning, I had called. I went to work. I called my mom. I said, hey, mom, do you think you guys are going to come out to dinner tonight? Just call him to check. I had never heard her sound so weak before in my life. And she said, no, James, I don't think we can. I don't think we'll make it.

Okay, Ma? That's no problem. I called about 2 o'clock to Jim to see how he was, like how the things were going. She's not too good, Jim. I don't think she's doing well, like, you know, this and that. I don't want to worry you or anything, but it's not getting any better. It looks like it's getting worse. I said, okay, Jim, we have to figure something out.

We've got to do something. I don't know how it's going to go. What are we going to do? I get home from work. That night, I don't know, it was probably about an hour or two later. I got to phone call. James, you got to come to the hospital. You got to go to the hospital right now.

The ambulance is here. They're bringing your mom to the hospital. And then I was racing me and my son were racing the hospital. I got a phone call. My gym tells me, don't go to the hospital. Come to the house. They're working on your mom in the ambulance. I get to the house.

And for about 20 minutes, they're working on my mom in the ambulance. and then we get to the... I just want to slow you down here. So you drive to your mother's house. My son actually drove. I was too hysteric. Okay. And the ambulance is there.

The ambulance is working on my mom in the back. And it's just sitting there. Yep. You're a health and safety guy. Yep. You know what that means. I do know what that means. What's going through your mind?

My mom's dead. I know exactly what that means. I'm a health and safety guy. I was a rescuer for 17 years. So I know exactly what that means. And when that ambulance left, they left through construction. They didn't come the shortest way.

We went through the shortest way. They left through construction. I also know what that means. Right? So I knew right then and there. Okay. And the other thing is when I got to the hospital and the doctor came and told me that she had passed, I asked what she had passed from. He said a heart hit to the heart. So what does that mean? Does she have a heart attack? No, sir. She didn't have a heart attack.

What did she have? Heart hit to the heart. What does that mean? I don't know, son, there's a heart hit to the heart. What is that? What the, and I'm bawling at the time and I'm crying. And he said, son, it was just a hard hit to the heart. I said, I'm not an idiot. You can tell me what it is. Like what's going to be on the death certificate?

You know, and he's, son, it's a hard hit to the heart. And he started walking away from me. And I grabbed him on the shoulder and I turned him around. And I said, what did my mother die of? She was 60 years old, type 2 diabetes, nothing else wrong with her and died two days after the shot. You tell me what's wrong with her. And then I asked for an autopsy, and he refused, and he said that they will not do an autopsy unless law enforcement or suspicious circumstances. And then he walked away.

And then I had my mom's ashes in my hands in less than 24 hours during the height of pandemic. 24 hours? Less than 24 hours. How does that happen? You tell me. I've never had, I have ashes from other friends and family that I've never even gotten less than three days. What's been the most difficult part of this? My mom's ashes are still on in the house because I can't bury them because I know who murdered my mother and I can't do nothing about it.

That's not my character. You don't even understand, man. my mom was the only thing I had in my life. And because of some stupid scandemic, I don't have my mother. I don't have my pillar anymore. I don't have the one thing in my life. All because a whole hierarchy of bullshit

happened in this world. Because some people, this world decided other things were more important, and they decided to put fear in people's lives and put people in harm's way, all because I don't even know. Nobody knows, right? And everything's in secrecy. I lost my job because of it. I, people, I can't even talk because of it. This is This is the most I've ever been able to speak about it. About it. Okay?

I can't even talk to my friends about it. I can't talk to family about it. I can't talk to any about it. And now I'm acting a fool in front of court and parliament about it. Okay? My mom was the only thing that I had in life. All right? I don't have a dad.

I don't have brothers and sisters. I don't have nothing. Okay? This is what I got. And you want to talk about Vesp and all this other stuff? Just like every other government crap, it's crap. All right? It's just a facade.

It's propaganda. It's bull crap. I called and I tried to get that stuff done. You know what they told me? Well, you don't have evidence. There's no evidence for you. Your mother's dead. No doctors.

I don't have a doctor to sign anything. That doctor that declared who's not going to sign nothing. You know what I mean? So what am I left with? I'm left with crying. Every friggin' night. I'm left with a son that doesn't have his grandma's nanny anymore, that they had a bond, like, I'm sorry.

You know what I mean? I just, I'm sorry. I thought I was going to be more clear. James, me, no one apologize here for being a human being. I'm sorry. I know. I tried to, I'm sorry. No, you've done a wonderful job.

James, I'll just, I'll leave with, thank you for sharing your story. We get out painful. It is completely understanding. We believe that we need to be able to talk about this publicly, right? Yep. We can't make any progress if we're not allowed to talk about it. And so the whole purpose of this is to really give people permission to speak publicly. And then maybe somewhere down the road we can start getting some answers.

Yes, sir. But you show tremendous courage. to come in here. And I can't even imagine your loss, but I do want to thank you for taking the time to share it with us. Thank you. Thanks. Thank you for getting. Thank you, James, and I'm going to go to our next witness now. And it's hard to transition from one witness to another. They're all so special today. So our next witness is Mary Lou Lavelay. Yes. Mary, will you take the Bible in the right hand, please? So Mary Lou Lavelay, do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth to help you God?

I do, so help me God. Now, you're here to speak about your husband, Dominic. Yes, I am. I'm just going to very briefly introduce you and then invite you to speak and tell us about Dominic. So you've been, you're 53 now, and you've been 33 years in the aviation industry, right, from stewardess to now you're involved in flight operations, document, client management. You were, you married, you were married to Dominic for 23 years. Correct.

And you and Dominic were high school sweethearts. I've known him since grade school, grade six. I remember when I first met him Yeah that's twinkle and sparkle in his eye then And he had it into adulthood And actually Maybe can we pull up the photos Might as well start with photos

So this is Your marriage to Dominic your high school sweetheart And What year is this? This was September 12th, 1998 It would have been our 28th wedding anniversary this upcoming Saturday. We were married for 23 years.

We dated for nine years. And we had a beautiful son, great marriage. And when I look at that picture, it brings me joy. It was one of the best days of my life. We were happy. We were in love. We were young.

And we were ready to build our future and our life together. Can we go to the next photo? Tell us about this photo. People used to call us three musketeers. We had one child, Michael. He was here with me today being my support and my rock, and I so appreciate him, appreciate him being here today.

I worked in the airline industry, and we love to travel, especially Dominic. He loved to see the world, and he loved the perks. and it was the three of us, and we enjoyed life to the fullest. We worked really hard. We were humble people. We came from humble beginnings, and we didn't sweat the small stuff. We just enjoyed life.

We loved to have a lot of good friends, a lot of good family around us, and that's who we were. We were good people. We still are. Well-rounded people. Let's go to the next photo. So when was this taken? Because I see Michael's getting older.

Yeah, he is. Every year around Thanksgiving, it was a tradition. We'd go apple picking with my sister and her family, and we look forward to it. Buy some great apple homemade pies, the local market. And I have this picture in my bedroom. He was my protector, and I look at that picture with his arms around me, just protecting me. That's what he did. That's what he did for everybody, not only for his family and his son and for me, the loves of his life, but that's who he was.

And just big, strong men, and I miss him every day, every day. Can we go to the next picture? What's this a picture? That's a hard picture, hard picture. That was him in the ICU. May 18th, 2021. And, you know, Sean, and I'm not sure why I took that shot. I don't know.

The ICU nurse at the time said, you know what, take off your, I know it was, she knew it was in protocol, and she said, take off your gloves and just make him feel you, make him feel your hand on him. And it was just such a poignant shot, and I took a picture. Yeah. Can you tell us who Dominic was, describe him? Of course I'd be happy to. I don't think there's enough hours in the day to describe who Dominic was.

I don't. He, just seeing his photos here today, I feel his presence, and I feel him giving me the courage to speak. I've never done something like this on this type of forum before, but I know that he's rooting for me to speak for him, to be his voice, and that's what I'm here to do. He was an outgoing, fun, energetic, strong, 48-year-old men who had so much love and passion for life.

He loved to cook. He was a great cook better than I was. He loved to eat. He loved the outdoors. We love to go on hikes. he loved to travel, listen to music, just loved life, loved us endlessly. He was also the handiest man you'd ever meet, fixed things with ease and perfection. He was the old go-to guy that everybody would call on, and we miss him every day.

We miss his love. I miss his sound advice. And we miss his presence. So can you share his journey with us? Of course I can. The pandemic hit, as we all know, like this tsunami that came out of nowhere. He protected us, went to the grocery store, did what he did to protect us. I was frightened of COVID.

I think we all were. Watched the news endlessly, and we wanted to protect ourselves. and protect those around us. So we put our hand up and we went to get vaccinated. I got vaccinated the week before. He didn't have the luxury to work from home. He was an H-FAC technician, and he had to be out there. So he wanted to protect himself.

It was important to him, and it was important to us that he did that. On the April 12th of 2021, we went to our local hospital. I went with him and he got his first shot of Pfizer. And all I can recall was that a couple of weeks later, not a couple of weeks, I'm sorry. It was the first time he had voiced something to me was on April 28th, 16 days later after his first vaccine. He was driving to a work call and he called me.

And he said, I am not feeling well. I have blurred vision. I'm dizzy and I had to pull over. I think you need to call to get me a COVID vaccine swab or a swab, I'm sorry, and I looked it up. I immediately did some Googling and I said to him in these exact words, no Dom, you know, I don't think it's COVID, you don't have a cold and dizziness is not a symptom.

And I still have that text. The days, he was better after that. and just the days that followed, all he continuously said, I feel off. I'm feeling off. Something's not right. And he never went to the doctor. He described stomach pains to you, right?

Very mild, mild abdominal pain. The days that followed, there was a bruise on his non-vaccinated arm. And he kept kind of pulling. pointing to his legs on some occasions just on the couch, like just to his legs that something was off. He couldn't pinpoint it, nor could I. If only I can rewind time and know, I'm so well verse now knowing what, you know, the symptoms of blood clots were. And then two days of headaches, it was Mother's Day. It was, he had two days of headaches.

Took Tylenol, I gave him Tylenol, and he was lying down. And then the last words he said to me on May 10th, 2021, I'm going to head up to bed. Are you going to come? And I said, no, no. I said, I'm just going to stay down here and watch some TV. And on the early morning of May 11, 2021, I, um, I woke up to horror. I woke up to him having a grand mal seizure,

rocking, shaking next to me. It's still dark at that point, so I didn't know what was going on. I turned the lamp on, and it was a sight I will never forget and something that's etched in my mind because it just wasn't him. It was someone I didn't recognize.

Why do you say that? Can you explain that for us? Because he was just the guy that was always there and in control. And there was no control. He couldn't even tell me what was wrong. He was seizing, foaming at the mouth, couldn't breathe. And right away, I called 911 right away. My son came into the bedroom. We felt helpless.

that we couldn't help him, helpless. It felt like forever for the paramedics to arrive. It was the third wave of COVID. And I'm just going to slow you down. You're at this stage personally in an absolute panic, and you're screaming and don't know what to be. Am I right about that? Absolute panic, utter shock.

Yes. Yes. My son calmed me down. Yeah. So 911 is called. What happened? It was the third wave of COVID and it felt like forever until they arrived. And I stayed in the bed to try to stabilize them as best I could, put him in the recovery position.

So is he still seizing? That stopped. It stopped. Unconscious, just laying there, trying to breathe. and my son went to kind of open every door so we can make sure that the paramedics and firefighters arrived as soon as they could and quickly and they came in in a furry. It was hazmat suits and you name it

and I was screaming and they called me down. They said, we need to help your husband. Just go downstairs. We will help him. He was alive still, barely, blue. tried to save him the best they could. He came down lifeless in my house and on a spinal board and was rushed to the local ER as I followed the ambulance

to our local hospital, still hanging on. What happened at the hospital? Well, they allowed my son and I to go in. into the emergency, and they told me he's being looked at and to wait here. I called his family, his sisters, who are so close to, they came rushing over to try to comfort me and make sense of what was going on. I finally got some answers. The nurse came out to me, and she called my name, Mrs. Laval,

and I said, is he okay? and she said your husband's in critical condition. He's intubated and the doctor's going to speak to you very shortly. Took a deep breath. My son and his sister were geared to another room and they said to me that they did some cat scans and he was just full of clots in his brain. They didn't have a neurology to specialize in that.

They had called Orange Ambulance to transport him as a life and limb. They were too backlogged. There was no time for that. So he was transported with life and limb paramedics to another hospital in ICU. They got him stable as best they could. They told me to wait. And I asked if my son could come up. They said, no, only yourself.

And this is COVID restrictions. Correct. Yeah. So Dominic is dying. He's being stabilized. And his son, Michael, cannot come up. No. Stabilizing the sense, Sean, fighting for his life, intubated, couldn't breathe on his own.

I still remember that room, 5A. And I walked up. Somebody escorted me up. They spoke to me, they said, be prepared for what you're going to see. I took a deep breath. I held his hand, and I said, I'm here, and you're going to make it. And they were still doing a lot of assessments. And they brought me into another room to speak to me.

And all I remember is the neurologist came out shortly after to ask me some questions about symptoms. And I can recall one of the first things he had said to me, Ms. LaValle, I have to ask you, did your husband receive AstraZeneca, but was he vaccinated? I didn't really even understand at that point why he was asking me that. I said, yes, we were vaccinated. He received the Pfizer shot 29 days ago. We got Pfizer. Do you have proof of that?

I said, well, I think so. I said, you know, and I remember sitting there in that. waiting area, tearing my wallet apart trying to find my receipt of the Pfizer vaccine receipt. He left me be, let me look for it, came back running in a hurry. I gave it to him. He left, and he says, we'll talk to you in a little bit. And they let me stay in that room until they all came to speak with me. You had another conversation.

I know that Dominic's non-responsive. No. But you have another conversation with him in ICU, and you promised or something. you share with us about that. So when the neurologist, you know, insinuated that it could have been AstraZeneca, right then and there, it was etched in my brain. There was no way removing that. They just came to the conclusion that he was an unlucky guy with bad luck.

And CVST was something so rare that I had never heard of, but a lot more prominent with the individuals on the news, who had that exact clot with AstraZeneca. So why did that happen to him? I don't know. Why am I sitting here in front of you, and he's not? I can't answer that. All I know is that those five days in ICU, I promised him I'm going to be his voice,

and I'm going to be his voice to the end, and I made him a promise. Perhaps that's why I'm here today to do that. And I'm grateful that I'm here to share my story and to tell you what I lost. Because, Dean, as you said it, they're not statistics. No one is. And I don't want my husband to be a statistics. Why?

Because he mattered. And he was a kind human being. And that's why I'm here. And silence is not what we need. And I feel like I've been silenced for five years just with my thoughts and my loneliness and reflecting and trying to connect the dots. So I'm here today to be his voice, but everybody who can't be here today, I'm their voice because they're being heard. And I thank you because for the first time in five years, I'm being heard and I'm being heard and I'm feeling acknowledge. and he's feeling acknowledged.

Thanks, Maryle. We really appreciate to, maybe just a couple of college requests. Of course. Of course. Don't? Thank you very much for sharing your heart and your story and the pain. You said that the neurologist suggested that it might be AstraZeneca. Did he support you afterwards with this and the other doctors in documentation?

of this or did they kind of withdraw? He said it when I first arrived there and then, yeah, I would say he withdrew from that. Three of them did. There was the hematologist there in ICU. She thought the suspicion was low because he got Pfizer, but she was adamant that it'd be reported because post-vaccination and the days were suspicious,

21, nine days later, so she spoke with infectious diseases, and I was assured that it was reported as an adverse event. When I kept questioning it and bringing it up again, do you think it was AstraZeneca? And all he said was, you showed proof that it was Pfizer, and we don't have any data right now, Ms. LaValle, to support that. And your husband was just very unlucky, and he had bad luck.

That's all I heard for five years. I'm sorry, he had bad luck. For a previous testimony, I think it was Dr. Rose. It wasn't just bad luck because it seemed like there was a lot more cases, incredible amount of cases. And I'll just think of my daughter within two days of getting vaccinated. She had a young mother. I got severe headaches went on for years, actually continues only in the past year and just incapacitated.

And she had a lot of tests. One of the doctors suggested that it might be this, but the others were very hesitant. So it's something that is being, has been experienced by people across this country. I know myself within two days of being vaccinated. The second time I got shingles for my body. And there was another, that I knew was directly too related to the vaccines. But I had problems walking for some time afterwards. And there are other things too.

So it's, yeah. So thank you for sharing this. And we are very sorry about your loss. I appreciate that. Thank you once again. You appreciate your sharing your story. I said, you know, we ask questions. We ask questions, and we need to ask more questions, right?

We do, we do. And I thank you from the bottom. My heart, I know so many people have applied. I'm grateful to be here, and I'm grateful to be heard and seen. And I hope, my hope is today onward that we heal as a nation. We learn from our past mistakes. And I have compassion and healing, and I pray for everybody who suffered

due to this nightmare and tragedy, especially the ones who are suffering today. And thank you for listening. Thank you for continuing your husband's legacy. Thank you. So our next witness is Nicole Morier. Nicole, can you take the Bible which is being handed to you in your right hand?

Nicole Morier, swear to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. So help you God. I do. Now, you are the mother of Abigail, Mori. Yes. And Abigail was your only child. That's correct, yeah. And Abigail's general practitioner, her family doctor, that was her doctor from birth, agrees that Abigail died of a vaccine injury. Yes, that's what she reported on the federal Visp medical assessment report. Can you tell us about your daughter? Yeah, so Abigail, I called her my Earth Angel.

She was my only child, and she was my entire world, my everything. No, she was 24 when this happened, right? Yes, she was 24. So to talk about her, she loves sport. She was very adventurous. She played every sport imaginable, anything from water skiing, softball. She played competitive soccer. She was on the travel team.

She was the captain, sorry, of the team. She danced, did volleyball. golfing. I mean, you just name it. She took on any sport, any adventure, rock climbing. She worked out at the gym. She was very healthy and she was into health and eating well, fitness. She took very good care of herself. Also, mentally as well, you know, she took a lot of personal development courses as a young person. She wanted to exercise her mind and her spirituality. She was very intuitive and she had a big heart. She had a heart of gold and she had a vibrant present about her. She walked into a room. She had these beautiful big emerald green eyes and a smile that lit up

an entire room and she had this long black hair and she looked like an angel. She really did. A beautiful earth angel but she was so humble and kind and so caring and giving and she was an absolute attribution in our world and she became a cardiology technologist and she was absolutely brilliant. She graduated with distinction and she was nominated student of the year with the Steinberg College. She worked at the hospital in Red Deer. They offered her a position in the cardiology unit before she even passed her course. She was working there doing her perceptorship. They saw something really special in her. And they offered her a position based on the conditions of her completing her exam.

And she did. She passed that exam with flying colors. And I never found out about how well she did in school until after she passed away because I got to see her final marks. She got A pluses all across the board. She was actually mentoring some of her colleagues in the program because I got her students. It's a very difficult program. And she would get on the phone and she would help them and mentor them through the course.

She just knew the material so well. And she was so loved at her work. She didn't even get to fulfill a career of two years. And in Red Deer, the entire staff at the cardiac unit in the hospital, that hospital unit was closed down for the afternoon and Healthy Hearts was closed down the day of Abigail's service. That's how much she made an impact in not even two years of employment. There was a cardiologist that spoke at her service,

and he said, she saw things that I don't even understand how she knew. And she was saving people and saving lives. And one of those patients was actually her grandpa. He's still alive today. He's 92. And he went into the cardiac unit in the hospital for a checkup. He had a pacemaker and Abigail saw something and she pointed it to the cardiologist. And he said, my goodness, we need to get this patient in here right away.

And he was put on some medication. And she was just incredible, just an incredible spirit. And I want to say one more thing about her is her favorite number was 13. and I want you to observe the number that I'm sitting in front of right now. So she has been an absolute angel and guiding me since this whole process. And I call her my angel of truth and awareness. And I know that there's no accident why I'm here today. It's because she is absolutely guiding.

And the message that I got from her is, not for her, but for others that could potentially be harmed. And that's ultimately who she was. And some parents and children aren't close to each other, but you and Abigail were like sisters, weren't you? And she lived with you and your mother. Yeah, the three of us lived together for many years. and yes, so every year the three of us went on girls' trips together. We actually called ourselves the three musketeers as well. And we were very close, very bonded, and often people would think that my mom was both of our moms. They thought that Abigail and I were sisters.

We had a very playful relationship. We joked. It was funny. She was so witty, and she could come up with one-liners, and she had whittiness right in her bones, and she made me laugh all the time. And I always said to her that as long as we had each other, we'd be able to navigate in this world.

And so I lost a big piece of my navigation. And so now instead of calling her my... My earth angel, I call her my guardian angel. And tomorrow, September 10th is her birthday. She would have been 28 tomorrow. And I should be at home making plans with her in our family. And instead I'm here talking about her in a past tense, and it makes no sense to me. Can you share with us Abigail's health journey?

Sorry. Can you share with us the journey she took with the vaccine? So there's a lot of really critical things to understand about Abigail and her health journey. The first thing is, is in June of 2021, the vaccines weren't mandated at that time, but there was the restrictions of not being able to go in restaurants or travel, these sorts of things. and her and I talked extensively about that process, and she said, Mom, it's okay, you know, I don't need to go out with my friends and go to concerts. And she said, I feel in my heart that if I was to get these shots,

something really bad would happen to me. She had that intuition, and she also has drug hypersensitivity, which is a big part, and I share that experience with her as well. and so I said to her at that time, Abigail, you can never get these shots. And she said, well, I'm not going to. She was hired with AHS officially in June of 2021. Which is Alberta Health Services.

Alberta Health Services in June of 2021. And she worked on the cardiology unit in the hospital. And shortly after that, she started working. and they had a policy in place that if an employee woke up and they had flu or cold-like symptoms, that they had to go get a PCR test. So August 23rd, she woke up. She felt flu-like symptoms.

She went and got a PCR test. And on August 26, that came back, that she tested positive for COVID. And when I talked to her, I said, well, how are you feeling? She said, well, I'm fine. like I'm, you know, I'm sick, but she said, I'm fine and I'm getting through it. And I wasn't concerned about her at all, in fact. And I kind of said to her in a light way, I said, well, at least you have natural immunity. And I said, that's really good for you and for your patients.

It'll protect you and them. And she said, yeah, and so she was resting. And then September 1st, she got the letter from her employer, EHS, and they involved. force the mandates. And that's when everything changed. And it happened so quickly. So in order for her to keep her job, she had to have what they would call fully vaccinated, which is two shots by October 15th. So there is really no time to think. And so I suggested that she asked her employer for a medical exemption. She had some genuine concerns about getting the shots. She went to the HR department and she asked for a medical exemption and they denied her that and they said we're not giving out medical exemptions. And Nicole, we have a short time and so you're giving us some more detail than you need.

And I just, I know there's some more important bits that I'd rather you focus on. So can we truncate that a little bit? Okay. So, yeah, it's such a big story. So I'll move fast. she then went to her medical doctor, asked for a medical exemption, and she was denied as well. Then, so at that time, Abigail's doctor told her that it was in her best interest to get the shots, that they were safe and effective and to go ahead.

And she trusted her doctor. That was her lifelong doctor. and that ultimately sealed Abigail's fate and her decision. So on September 15th, she got her first Pfizer shot in 2021, and her second shot to comply to the employment standards, October 15th, 2021. About seven months after that, she started feeling unwell. She was nauseous, just generally couldn't pinpoint what was happening.

Those symptoms progressed. And then in March of March 16th, of 2023, she had issues with swallowing. And she went to a walk-in clinic, and they ordered an endoscopy, which is a procedure. They put a scope down your throat. And on March 19th, she was in so much pain, so uncomfortable. She phoned my mom, I was working that day, and she said, Grams, you need to come and pick me up. Something really bad is happening. Something is really wrong. They took her to emerge. She was put into the back room right away.

She had extreme pain in her right lung. It was shooting up her neck into her head. And the ER doctor thought maybe she had mild pneumonia, possibly a blood clot in her right lung. They did a CT scan, which revealed that she was basically full of cancer. And she had a tumor in her right lung. She was 23 years old. she never smoked.

Her lower lobe and her middle lobe of her lung were both collapsed, and it was causing her lung to consistently fill up with fluid, and it would fill up with a liter of fluid. So you imagine a liter of fluid sitting, Abigail was a small person sitting inside your collapsed lung, how painful that would be along with a tumor. She had a tumor in the middle of her chest area. It was so large that it was obstructing her cardiac.

Her heart, all the valves were being pushed over to the left side of her body. She had enlarged lymph nodes all throughout her body. She had two in her neck that were so large that they were threatening to either cut off her ability to swallow or to breathe. She had numerous health issues throughout her care in the hospital. were between two hospitals, Red Deer in Calgary. She had numerous specialists. She had hematologist, cardiologists, palmologists. She had a team of cardiologists, and nobody understood what was going on with her.

One of the oncologists said to me, I've never seen anything like this, especially in someone so young. They couldn't understand the rate of the growth of her cancer. The tumor in her chest grew in just, it doubled in size in just two weeks. The oncologist explained to me that this is something, this tumor and this growth is something that they would normally see in a cancer patient over a 10-year time span. They were seeing this growth in two weeks. She was diagnosed with an extremely rare cancer. The chances of getting this type of cancer is one in multi-military.

millions and millions of people. It was an extraordinary cancer on top of a very rare cancer. It's called nut carcinoma. From the time that she was diagnosed to the time she passed, it was only six weeks. She deteriorated very rapidly. She went from having normal ECGs to have normal ECGs. Blood work went crazy. She was near the end of life. They had to start doing platelet blood transfusions because her platelets drop so low. And normal platelets are between 150 and 450 and hers dropped to a level 6. Six. She was at extreme risk of internal bleeding of having a stroke.

Any sort of surgery at that point was completely off the charts. The last weekend of her life, she was transferred back to Calgary foothills by her oncologist. who said you need to come back. They transported her in an ambulance. They said, we think you'll get better care here. She became extremely bloated during that weekend. She looked like she was five months pregnant. I kept questioning what was going on with her.

Saturday afternoon, she developed a nosebleed and her nose bled for 24 hours. And I kept saying to them, you need to do something. You need to help her. And they finally sent someone up a specialist. And they pulled a massive blood clot out of her nose with some forcips and some suction. And she was coughing up massive blood clots because of the blood she was swallowing.

And she had a vessel that was very prominent and bleeding. Because her platelets were so low, her blood was, blood went clod. And so they caught her eyes the vessel and they put gauze up into her nose. And she was on oxygen and she was on nasal prongs. And they couldn't use the nasal prongs. And so they put the mask on her and she didn't like it because she couldn't breathe. She kept pulling it off. and I kept putting it on and she kept pulling it off. And I sat at her bed and I held the mask out from her face because I would do anything for her.

I would just sit there and hold my arm up because I wanted her to get the oxygen. And she became so unwell that weekend. She came very quiet, almost non-responsive. didn't eat a lot, didn't say a lot. I tried to get her in a shower. That was impossible. And on May 1st, they administered two rounds of chemo, and that proved to be all that her body could handle. She went into a state of metabolic acidosis, and all her healthy organs literally started to shut down and fail one by one.

And she suffered immensely and she fought so hard. And about midnight that night, she went unconscious. I thought she was sleeping. They tried to sternum rub her. They couldn't wake her up. They call it a death coma. And so I crawled into bed with her. And I snuggled with her.

and I rubbed her hair in her ears. And I told her I loved her. And I could tell she was getting near the end of her life because of her breathing. I watched my dad and my grandma pass so I recognized the breathing pattern. And I was singing to her lullaby, and it was so painful that I just buried my head

into her chest because I couldn't watch it anymore. I just felt so helpless. And about 9.30 on May 2nd, she took a breath in and a breath out. And that was it. And I laid in bed with her until 2.30 that afternoon.

And I told that hospital I wasn't leaving without my daughter. We had to make special arrangements for a funeral home in Reddier. to drive to Calgary and pick her up. And after she died, I got to brush her hair and I wiped her nose. I said, please take the stuff out of her nose.

And I wiped the blood off her nose. And I brushed her hair. And they put her in a body bag and they zipped her up. And I can believe what, happened. And that's ultimately how she left this world, suffering and in a lot of pain. And for what? For a virus that has a 99% survival rate for something that she got when your immune system is intact and you're young and healthy, you just get over it. Your body knows what to do, all because of a mandate.

I'm going to have David bring up some photos. So can you tell us about this photo? That's her graduation photo. So she graduated as a cardiotech in May of 2021. And we got Abigail Dress. She had a friend who was a photographer. And we went out and we took photos and there was a field. and we stopped and that's Abigail standing in the field.

She was so proud, she was so intelligent, so robbed. David, can we go to the next photo place? Can you tell us about this photo? Abigail had a group of friends and they were called the girl gang. There were seven of them, and now they're six. But this is Abigail's last photo of her last birthday, so she turned 24. September 10th, 2020.

This was her last birthday. I could have never imagined. She wanted balloons for her birthday. And so we constructed these wood pillars here, and we hung up the happy birthday. And this was out at my acreage, and she had her friends over, and they sat outside and had a little teas and wines.

And it was so special. I could have never imagined that that would be her last birthday. She looked so healthy and vibrant there. David, can we go to the next? Tell me about this photo. So this is her in the... Did we miss one? Okay, no, this is fine.

Go ahead. This is her in the Red Deer Hospital. You can tell she's lost a lot of weight. I think she went down. She was about 100 pounds when she passed away. But this is her little portable oxygen tank. And every day her and I would go for a little walk down the hallway. And she would do that.

And she felt so proud. And I remember a few days after this boat it was taking, it was the last time I walked the hallway with my daughter. And we hooked arms together. And she pushed her little oxygen tank. and she was so proud and she'd go back and she'd do little stretches at her bed. Can you give us the next photo? Tell us about this photo.

So this photo is taken on April 30th. So it was two days before she passed away. And you can see this is where she has the mask oxygen on. So that's after she had the 24-hour nose bleed. and you can see her stomach has very bloated there. She looks pregnant, which she wasn't. She was just really bloated. But that's how quickly she deteriorated.

Can we have the next hotel? So this here, because her lung kept filling up with fluid, they decided, the pulmonologist decided it was best rather than aspartating the fluid. out with a big needle to put a chest tube in there. So that chest tube was inserted, and every few days, they connect that with a little container system, and it has like a pump, and fluid comes through that tube when it's connected, and it goes into a canister, and that's one of the things, and she would get really anxious

with that procedure. So they would have to give her medication, like an anxiety pill. And we would play music, and that's my mom's hands there. But my mom and I would sit beside Abigail and we'd hold her hands while she was getting this done

because it made her very nervous. Can we go to the next photo? Tell us about this photo. So that's just the distinction. of how quickly she changed that photo on the right was taken in December of 2022. There was MMA fights in Red Deer,

and Abigail was asked to be one of the ring girls that walk around with the numbers, and that photo was taken in December of 22, and the one on the left is taken four months later in April of 2023. So that's how quickly her cancer progressed. And we're short on time, but I wanted to ask, you had a conversation with Abigail's doctor who told her to get vaccinated.

Yeah. Can you quickly tell us about that? So after Abigail passed, I had a friend message me and telling me about her own daughter who's diagnosed with a rare lymphoma cancer. and she said that she was filing with the VIST program, and she said that just in four weeks, there was five other young people between 20 and 30 that were diagnosed on that same unit.

She said, you've got to see this. It's unreal. She said the cancer unit's full of young patients. And that's when I realized that this was something phenomenal. And it's astonishing how many people have contacted me about their very young children having stomachs removed and all sorts of cancers. Nicole, the conversation I was. Yes.

Okay. Okay. And then back to the doctor. So I, in order to file with the VIST program at the time, you needed a doctor to complete a medical assessment form. So I made an appointment with her doctor and I went in and I sat down and I told her that I brought in the patient. paperwork for her to complete, and she didn't hesitate at all. And she completed those documents, so the Federal Visp Medical Assessment documents. And under the adverse events, she wrote in NUC carcinoma post-COVID-19 vaccination. She also made additional notes that Abigail is mandated

by her employer, and when she received the checks. But when I'm going, when I'm on, I need to talk about is why she told Abigail to get back. vaccinated. Yes. And we're just, we're out of time. Okay, so very quickly, um, when I talked to her doctor and I said, I'm aware that Abigail asked for a medical exemption and you denied her that medical exemption. And I said to her, you told her it was safe and effective without having the science or information. She said to me, yes, you're right. I did. And the important thing she said is what you need to understand is that we were threatened by, our associations that if we gave out medical exemptions for the mask or for the COVID-19 vaccinations,

that we would lose our license and our job. And so that is ultimately why doctors fell lockstep, because they weren't just threatened with their job, but with their license. And that's ultimately what happened in Abigail's situation. Cole, I just want to thank you for sharing your story. Thank you. Our next witness is Julie Ivan. Julie, will you take the Bible in the right hand? Julie, Ivan, do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth?

I'll help you go. I do. No, you did not have COVID, and you're a doctor, so you've been verified as having a vaccine injury, and you're one of the few that even the vaccine entry support. program with Greece that you have a vaccine injury. You're currently 50. You have three children. You work at Canada Post.

And you started back in 2016 as a mail carrier. And you were walking basically 18 to 20 kilometers a day, five days a week. You also were very active. You would do the 30 kilometer around the Bay run five years in a row. You were hardcore runner, and three to five days a week, you went to the gym. This is pre-vaccine. So you were like one of these hyper athletes that the rest of us try to ignore exist.

So, okay. It was 2006. I started with Canada Post. It's my 21st. Oh, I'm sorry. I got that wrong by 10 years. Yeah. So, yeah, and the point I was just trying to make is, I mean, and you love that job, too.

I love letter carrying. Yes, I love it. So much. I'm, yeah, and I've just gone in in the last year and a half inside. I finally just couldn't do it anymore outside. I tried to do it. And I convinced the neurologist to let me go back to work and have sign off on me going back after two months. Just because I said, I have a truck. I'll park my truck, do five houses. Get back in my truck, move it up, do another five houses. I said, you got to let me go back to work. I'm going crazy. I had about two months off when it first happened. just because I couldn't walk. I walked. Let's start at the beginning. So you have your second Moderna shot back on June 30th,

2021. Can you share with us kind of what happened after that? Yeah, so it was a Wednesday. I think I was just at the pharmacy picking up a prescription for my daughter and I just said, hey, do you have any in there? She said, yeah, we have Moderna.

And I said, is that okay? Because I took Pfizer as my first one. She said, yeah, no problem. So that was a Wednesday. and then Friday, me and my partner were driving up north, and I was like, oh, my feet are so tingly. Like, I can't feel them. Like, it feels like they're asleep.

And I didn't think anything. And we drive up north. We rented a cottage. And then Saturday I woke up, and I'm like, it's up to my knees now, like, just tingling. And I could still walk everything. And then Sunday, it was up to my waist. And I'm just like, it felt like a freezing in your tooth. So, you know, after you have a cavity and they freeze your tooth and you're walking,

you could still chew, you could still do everything. It's just, it felt like. swollen and like a like I was frozen so I'm like okay this is going to wear off it's obviously the vaccine something just kind of triggered something it's going to wear off and then Monday morning I woke up and it was up to my brawl line and I couldn't feel to go to the bathroom anymore so that's when I was like okay so this is a Monday we're just supposed to be leaving on the Monday so I call so you couldn't you couldn't feel even like go to the bathroom yeah like you're feeling numb from from the chest down.

So the Sunday, it was still just the numbness. It was like walking and it was shocks coming up my legs and it was just the numbness. And if I kneeled down, I felt like I was on like two inches of bubble wrap. But again, I'm just like, okay, this is just some kind of freezing wearing off or something or something with that. So then the Monday morning, I'm like, okay, now this is serious. I can't feel to go to the bathroom now. So I know I'm not going to get into the doctor on a Monday. So I call telehealth and just explain my.

symptoms and she just said get to emergency. So we were debating what hospital to go to because we're up north. And my partner's mom had worked at St. Mike's in Toronto. So she said, I would just, and I live in Hamilton. So she said, just go there. So we drove down and they got me in right away and just said, just asked me the questions. And then within a couple hours, I was having like a spinal tap and MRIs. First, it was an MRI. They found a lesion. So the way I've been explained it, it's the vaccine caused my immune system to attack my spine. So there's a lesion there now.

And then they did the spinal tap. And it was like 1,500 milligrams of pregnancy. To like an IV pregnosone first. And then I think it was like 23 pills a day to take to start. And then it you slowly taper it off over a couple of months. So the first two pharmacies wouldn't even fill. because they couldn't get a hold of the doctor and they'd never seen a prescription that large

and they were nervous and then it was finally one did and they just a bunch of phone calls back and forth and yeah so it was just when I walked it just was shocks every step it was like something was rebounding back up and if I went like this it was like electric

shocks but for the first little while it was only under here that was affected and now it's my hands my head I have this tingling in my head Do you have tingling right now? Not at this minute, but it happens daily a couple times a day. And the feet and the hands are burning or freezing.

I feel like my fingertips are frost bit, but, you know, they're burning. It's all just different things. My legs from the knee down are numb. I can feel to walk. Everyone thinks, oh, you know, I can feel completely to walk, but they're numb. And I used to be sure footed. Now I'm not sure footed. If I'm level ground, it's fine, but that's why I had to go inside because I can't take the outside any more surfaces.

And now I'm inside the unloading trucks of mail. Just let's slow down. So you basically go to the hospital. They do MRI. They're doing all of these tests. But they're not able to solve the problem. They realize, they tell you right away the vaccine caused this by cause. causing your immune system to attack your spinal cord.

But they don't really have any solutions for treatment. Am I right about that? Just the Pregnizone to bring down the inflammation. But the neurologist basically said the damage is done. There's nothing you can do about it. You just have to figure out how to live with the symptoms of it, which are progressively getting worse. So now I just had another MRI a couple weeks ago,

and I just had the neurologist department yesterday. And there's another lesion in my brain now. So it is getting worse because now there's. There's new lesions for me. And the sensations, the fatigue is really bad. I get about a good hour or two in the morning, and I'm tired. So she can't give me a stimulant because she says it will make all the sensory issues worse. So it's kind of just, you know, or else painkillers, which I don't want to take.

I'm very, I didn't even want to take the medication I'm on, but it's supposed to scramble the signals from my brain to my body because my brain is sending the wrong signals. So I'm taking that because I have to, but I don't want to take any pain. I would rather the pain and feel what's going on than the numbness that came along with those gabapentin and that kind of thing. I just wanted to, they're not a good mix for me. So I'm taking what I have to and try to do Lyons Bain and a natural approach. And, you know, I spoke bare want it to help at the end of a day at work. I can't do that all day because I'm working, but at the end of the night, that helps me just feel a little bit lighter about everything. So I just want to get a feel for kind of how you're like today.

And so you've still got all these numbness and tingling and shooting. My understanding is that if you walk, I mean, even just five, ten minutes, your feet feel like they're burning. and that you have to stop walking then because it becomes too painful. Yeah, I've been walking. Yeah, it's about 500 feet. After you asked me that the one day, I'm like, I'm not really sure. I didn't really paid attention. So now I'm trying to walk a little bit, and it's about 500 feet before they just,

it's just, the souls of them are just burning so bad. But then it'll go to numbness in my toes. So the souls are burning, but my toes are numb. So then you're kind of compensate walking with numb toes on the end. and numb heels or it feels like someone's grabbing you around the ankle or it just feels like these odd sensations. I get these electric where it's just all of a sudden I'm just like this because it's like an electric shock around my middle or the hands are numb or yeah, it's just a host of all

different things daily. With your hands, we've also lost dexterity, right? Like do things like buttons up and that is extremely difficult. Yeah, just getting buttons. done and I have a lot of help getting things done up and stuff sometimes and I just had carpal surgery carpal tunnel on one hand they want to do it on the other the ulnar nerves like just seems I guess what I've been told is the immune system is on overactive like overdrive so everything I had a rheumatologist send me to do I-BIG which is the you know you go to the hospital and

they infuse you with that but that not just brought a whole other I had a rash all over my body white heads all over my scalp. They're still all over my scalp. I had to take a cream, I guess, because I heard the IVIG gives you more susceptible to skin cancer. So I had an effect from the skin cancer cream. They gave me liquid chemo, and now my nose is, I have makeup on, but it's permanently bright red because of spots.

They tried, it's a series of unfortunate events that keep happening, and it just not getting any better. And my neurologist is great. She's known it was from the vaccine, the rheumatologist. You know, they're great. They acknowledge what it's from and they're trying to help, but it's basically you just got to manage your symptoms. There's nothing to do with it. There's no. We're talking about basically what's almost constant fatigue. So if you do something, there's limits on how much you can do each day. Yeah. I go. I go. And as soon as I stop, that's about it. I'm just, I have to keep moving.

And I work through a lot of pain. Like, I'll keep walking. My feet are numb, but I'm still going. Because mentally, I need to feel that exhaustion or something to be able to relax. You know, like, I can't, it's not going to stop me from doing anything. I'm going to keep doing everything. But it's just a lot harder to do everything now. Right, you have to push.

Mm-hmm. Yeah. And I have, like I said, last night I slept great. of watch to try to keep track of my sleep score. And I sleep great. And still, I got about an hour and I just need to close my eyes. I just want to go to sleep. Right. After this, you're probably going to go great to sleep. Yeah. Well, we can't. We got to fly home. But. Okay. What's, what's been the most difficult part about this? Just the loss of motivation, you know, like in the earlier days, when I was off work, it would be like, oh my God, I'm going to wake. I wake up so early. What am I

going to do with myself all day? Like, not feeling like doing anything. So now it's better. I'm, you know, keeping busy and stuff. But yeah, just the loss of my, the way I was, like just full of energy and like, go, go, go. And I never used to sit down. So now it's just, yeah, I sleep most of the time. I go to work. I come home, I sleep. And then get up for a little while, have some coffee, and then I go back to bed. So I just to my colleagues here that don't live in Ontario and understand around the bay, it's a 30-kilometer race, right? Very impressive.

So three-quarters of a marathon, so I want to give you kudos for all your energy. So I guess my question is, how has it affected your family life? My family have been great. My kids, like, I still convinced my two kids and their teens to get their second dose, even after what happened to me. I said, I'm a, just, I'm a rarity. Like, it's just, please still get it. You know, I was still like, like, okay, we got to do it.

Everyone still has to get it done. And my daughter fought me tooth and nail to not get it done. But I'm like, I'm just a rare case. You have to get it done. I made sure that they still got it, which is a little harder to take now that I hear that it's for nothing, you know, like when it was for something. And I believe that, yes, you guys, it's for the greater good, you know. and now it's harder to take now that it's just not for the greater good like this could have all been avoided which is hard and I haven't been around anybody that's

I haven't met anybody that's why I'm emotional today's because I haven't talked to anybody that's dealt with any of this you know it's not on the news you don't hear people talking about it maybe once in the blue moon so they want my friend at work told me about this I was like oh for sure you know at least I can be around other people that have dealt with this stuff Have you found it difficult to talk with, I'm not suggesting family, but friends or acquaintances or neighbors? Just when someone asks, you know, you always have to preface it by saying, I'm not an anti-fax, I'm not against it. I got it willingly, but this is what happened to me. And, yeah, you always feel there's a little bit of, do I bother telling them what happened to me or not, you know?

Like, are they going to believe me that it's from this? Like, there's always a little bit of, you just don't know what to say. It's a little bit crazy to think you've got to preface a statement about a vaccine injury by saying, Yeah. You're not any back for it. Yeah. And here I was doing it willingly. You know, I had to do it for work, but I mean, I did it.

I wasn't saying, oh, no, I'm not going to do it. I did it. Did you say you're still working a bit? Yeah, now I've gone to retail. So I've come out of the plant because it's too hard in the plant, too. It's a lot of lifting and stuff. So they found me a position in retail, just being in the storefront. And, yeah, in Beansville.

He was a home, my goodness. A little post office out there. Excellent. I may be familiar with Dinoz. Yeah, yes. That's my writing. That's my writing. And I looked it up.

I was like, oh. Lived there for many years. That's great. So that's where I am now. A lead hand, I'm going to be at the post doffles. Oh, that's good. And I'm glad to hear that your work has made accommodations. Totally.

They've been great. That's part of the battle, too, right? Yes. Canapost has been great with it. Any other questions? Listen, I'll just say thank you so much. We understand the toll it takes to travel and come. And we do appreciate sharing your story.

Two stories are the same, but they're similar in terms of what you've got to deal with in terms of mental, mentalness and all the stuff that comes with it. So thank you so much for coming. Thank you for having this. So our next witness is Eva Kavana. Did I say that right? Kevin, okay. Well, thank you. No names are important.

Eva, will you take the Bible in your right hand? Yeah. Eva, Kevin, do you swear to tell? the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so I'll help you God. It's counterintuitive bread is on, so thank you. And you can just leave that on. I just want to introduce you to the inquiry. So you are 68 years of age. Your husband, Peter, is here with you supporting you and two of you have a 35-year-old daughter. You were a registered nurse for 42 years. I was. Hard to believe, right?

working full time. You were in good health, no underlying conditions. We're going to be talking about eyes. At age 35, you did have cataracts and have the standard lens replacement. Tell us what happened. You got an injection, a Pfizer injection on March 26, 2021. Yeah, I got the injection. I was working in the community as an RN, seeing people, a case manager, seeing people in a geriatric program. And our whole team, we had a team of five, and we were encouraged to get it because we're working with the geographic population. And they were at risk. So my turn was coming up, and I went on March the 26th.

like he said, got my injection. And I didn't feel anything at the time. And in between, I had seen my regular eye doctor, which I would go for appointments. Like right after that, I saw him on March 31st. Everything was okay. I had 20-20 vision. And I'm just going to slow you down.

That was just a regular checkup. Yeah, like a checkup on my eye were doing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So you weren't going there because you were having a point. problem. No. Okay. And so you go there and everything is okay. And then four days later, April 4th, you remember all these dates. I woke up in the morning and my my eye was feeling a little bit

strange, kind of hurting a little bit and looked a little red. But I went into work anyway, 12-hour shift. So I went there and then as the day was progressing, it started to get red and redder and it was really bothering me. I took some Tylenol. It was like kind of getting really more painful. I went home and then it started to get worse and then my eyes started to get blurry and then my eye kind of just filled up with blood.

And it was looking very, very bad. My husband could confirm that. It was very scary. So we got into see the doctor that I had seen and he said, what are you doing here? He just couldn't believe my eye was looking like that and looked in my eye and he saw a very strange presentation in my eye, these big snow globes that, you know, a doctor with probably over 30 years experience or so, he said, what is that? You know, he didn't even know what that was and you think if you see a lot of eyes, you would see certain

things. So it was very strange. But anyway, he treated me right away with the Pregnizone drops, lots of drops, you know, every two hours, try to tame it, the inflammation. It was burning, it was red, but it did calm it down. So we were doing that and over, that was 2021. Can I just slow you down? Yeah. Are you able to see through that eye at this time? There's more to the story. At the time after he treated me with the pregnancy, over the months, I could see with my eye and started to get better.

But then I think with the shot, oh, yeah, let me just back up. Also, he wrote a letter for me to continue working, saying that I should not get the second shot. So I was able to work after that. So I went back to work. And it was like a continuous cycle of the inflammation getting better. And then my eye pressure increasing and then having to go down on the inflammation drops, which is the pregnancy zone. So it was like a continuous cycle.

And I did work up until March 2022. I just, it was too much after a while because, you know, you have to read reports and make reports to send to doctors and was getting very hard. So I retired early at the age of 64. And that whole year, you know, was the same thing, the cycle of inflammation, burning, and then it would get better, then you would decrease the drops, and then it would get worse again. And then I ended up getting an infection in that eye, being like, I think immune compromised or So then they had to do a vitrectomy in 2022, which is cleaning out the vitreus in your eye and a lot of antibiotics.

And then what happened was I got a retina hole in my eye because of all the operations and in my eye. And so I had to get treated in 2023 for the operations. And the hole closed. I had to have my head down for five days so that it would close. So after that in 2023, it was still the on and off, the prednisone drops and getting better. And then my cornea was actually scratched, I believe, from all the surgeries. So now I don't see it all. I only see shadows when in front of my eye, like my hair.

a hand going by. So I am blind in that eye at 2,400. And so that's what's happened. So now this inflammation, it's still being managed today. By pregnancy zone, yeah. So five years later. And what happens if you're not managing it? Yeah, it'll get very red again and angry looking and burning and feels like somebody's

poking me in the eye and my eye starts to water. and so, you know, I end up using more drops and I continue to go to the doctors when it gets really bad and then they just kind of augment my medication. And the pressure in my eye goes up because pregnancy zone is known for that. It'll just make your pressure go up and you don't want that to happen. So what now? It's like I just keep taking the drops and hoping to look for, I just. try to keep positive. I do yoga. I go for walks in nature. And I'm hoping that somehow, I just find that there's not really an answer for me right now. Yeah. And where I was going,

it's just when we had had an interview earlier. I think you described it as like if you're not managing well, it's literally like a red hot poker in your eye. Like you're talking about severe pain. Severe pain when it, yeah, when it's bad. And then I have to increase the pregnancy drops. Right. And you're, like,

you're in pain every day with this eye. Am I right? Yeah, right now I'm not because I really, I know I was coming here,

so I made sure I had extra drops. It does really help the prednisone, but it's the eye pressure that will go up, right? So it's like a cat

and mouse game. Yeah. Right. So you've lost vision in one eye effectively, and you have to manage it

to avoid crying. That's right. Yeah. Okay. What's um and so my understanding is is you can't drive at night anymore. You have a hard time reading. Yeah, I get tired like reading. You can't do things like playing tennis. And you couldn't, you've retired early over this. Yeah, I did because it just didn't, I didn't have the same energy level, I would say, because, you know, you have to look at a lot of reports and do a lot of, you know, computer work and stuff. And your eyes get tired if you just have the one eye. What's been the hardest part of this? Well, the hardest part has been, you know, for me, like waking up every morning.

Sometimes I have dreams. I wake up and it's gone and my eye is normal again. but that and also, you know, family and friends. I've, my family has been very, very supportive, but, you know, sometimes maybe they don't really understand it because they've all had shots and no one has had any injuries. And that's my worry because I don't know the long-term effects of all these shots that people have gotten. And I'm very happy that everybody's okay right now.

In my social circle, I hear a lot of people that had cancer, friends, people had cancer, people that their father died right after the shot. And I'm sure a lot of people hear of people that have had problems like that too, are inflammation. Have you lost some friends over this? Yeah. Friendships, I mean. Yeah, because they're really into the shots.

and they were understanding of my injury, but I don't know. But the cause of the injury is unacceptable for them, right? Like, you've lost friendship. You basically have lost an eye and it's uncomfortable. If you don't manage it, it's uncontrollable pain. That's right. So you're injured, and if it was anything but vaccine injury, you'd still have friendships with them.

That's right, I guess. Well, I'm asking you. Yeah, I know. I probably would because it caused, you know, two different thoughts of what people think about the whole vaccination idea about COVID-19. And everybody was scared. I understand that in the beginning. And so they're just, and they just want to get on with life, you know.

And when you tell someone, and even if you meet someone new, you say, yeah, I'll say that. I was injured from the vaccine. And then they would just say, oh, yeah. They just, hmm. And they're just like, they don't understand it. Ms. Gold. Do the doctors recognize you as having, as this being a vaccine injury? And did you have you applied to the government for the compensation at all?

No, I didn't because I, heard that it wouldn't be worth it because a lot of people were doing it. And the good doctor that I had wrote the note and he said she should not get the next shot. So he was very good. When you go to other appointments, let's say if I go to opt-the-mautomatrist and just get checked, no one really mentions the fact that it was from an injury. It's always like kind of hush-hush, or not hush-h-hush, just a deafening silence. Like there's no, they just treat it. like a severe uveitis, like a bad inflammation of the eye. No one talks about it.

And after a while, you don't feel like talking about it with them. Yeah, I think the fact that you had been tested, you know, your eyes and had 2020 vision just days before. Yeah, I think this is. You know, we're having this discussion now. It's been years. And it's been very intense for such, you know, for some time. But hopefully now that it's a bit more relaxed.

society and be able to examine this and the repercussions of these vaccines maybe with a bit more open mind in this and hopefully be able to make some changes in the future. I hope so. I'm very thankful to be here and all the people that apply to be here. I'm thankful to be talking about it too and to Mr. Buckley and M. P. Allison, thank you very much for this. I hope that we can go forward with this and make people be acknowledged that this has happened. Thanks. Mr. Rosson. You said that you were an RN.

How did your former colleagues, how do they treat you today? Yeah, they would have. Do you have communication with them? Do you, hasn't been included? They kind of lost communication with them because like now it's been four years. So I'm developing new friends in my community. And I'm just happy, I don't know, at the time when I was the person that only had the one shot and they would kind of look at me, like I should get the second one. You know, we're in this pandemic kind of thing, right?

But I had the note and I was lucky that way. It's unfortunate that society has seemed to have changed that people seem to think if it doesn't affect them, it's not happened around them. And myself, I'd like to see society get back to looking out for your neighbor, looking out for your friends. Yeah. And it seems if we don't agree with somebody, well, we can't be their friend or they can't be our friend. We're all humans in this world and trying to get by. Thanks for being here and telling you.

Yeah, thank you. Well, thank you very much. We really appreciate you taking the time to explain what happened and talk about your injury. As I said, we're really just trying to promote dialogue and give people permission to speak publicly about these things. Because as Mike said, you know what, it's okay to disagree with your neighbors. That doesn't mean you don't have to talk to them anymore. So we want to get back to where we could still agree to disagree. That's right.

So thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you. So our next witnesses are Janine Duffy and her daughter, Jennifer Britton. And so Janine will start with you if you want to take the Bible in your right hand.

So Janine Duffy, do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth so help you God? I do. And then Jennifer, if you want to take the Bible. Jennifer, Britain, do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing

but the truth, so help you God? I do. now Janine I'm going to have you share most of the story but as I understand it there's some memory issues and it would have to have I think about my pain and what I've gone through

but as for what happened with any doctor any medical thing I zone out it's like I walk out of that doctor's office and I know nothing I know I'm still in pain she is the one that listens and tells me afterwards. Right. Okay.

So together we'll get a complete story. I appreciate Jennifer your willingness to be here. Now, Janine, my understanding is you did not have COVID. There were antibody tests. I had an antibody test that proved. I never had COVID. Okay. And you're 66?

Yeah. You've had two kids, Jennifer and Robert. Yep. and I've got some grandchildren. And now five to six years before the vaccination, you started working. You were working as a cashier at a grocery store. Yep.

And prior to the vaccination, my understanding is you literally would walk two kilometers to work. Yep. You'd be on your feet at work all day. Yep. And then you'd walk two kilometers home. Yeah, rain or snow. Right.

Okay. So this is what's happening daily just before this story. Just so everyone can understand that. Oh, and I can go home and cook dinner or I could garden afterwards. It's like physical to me was energizing. So the more I did, the more energized I felt. Okay. And then I'll just quickly, Jennifer, introduce you to the inquiry.

So you're 43. You're a mother of three kids. And you're basically here to help support your mother. and by profession you are a real estate convenience. Yeah, yeah, and I'm here to support her because as soon as that happened, I became her caregiver immediately and kind of rode this whole storm with her, went to every doctor's appointment, have spent hundreds of hours in the emergency room with her, and I think honestly that's what kind of got us as far as it did,

is I was not scared of the emergency room, and we went a lot. Okay, so let's back to you. Janine is you get a Moderna shot on May 29, 2021. Can you share with us what? Okay, well, I went and got the Moderna shot and I had a shift at work right afterwards, which to me no big deal. But during that shift, we had to call people over to the grocery lines because of the COVID thing. but I raised my hand like this, and I was pointing to someone to come over, and I got a pain through my arm, not much of a big deal, but my thumb went numb, and to this day it is still numb,

and I can feel that every moment of the day. So you feel that it's numb. What's that? It feels numb every day. It's like it's all alive. All of the nerve endings feel like the nerve endings feel like. alive. I can touch it. If she touched it, I'd be jumping through the roof. So, yeah, it's like, and I'm so used to it now, and I just know that I do this all the time to keep it so I don't

lose it. Because I'm scared that it's going to go completely numb. So what happens after that? So dumb is the first thing. Okay, the thumb I remember. I just remember the next couple of weeks I got so weak. Walking to work, the calves of my legs started to burn. And I just want to slow you down. We'll get there. I want to talk about fingers and toes first. Oh, fingers and toes.

Yeah. My fingers started to go blue. And I went to the doctor about that. And then he asked me to look at my feet as well. So now I have blue fingers and blue toes. and he got me into neurology as soon as he possibly could, told me that if it gets any worse, I'm probably going to lose my fingers and my toes.

Did they share with you, and this is more probably for you, Jennifer, what is causing this? Not initially, and then in one of our first emergency room visits, it wasn't our family doctor, it was an emergency room visit, and the doctor there is the one who brought it up,

And when she mentioned it, it could be because of the vaccine, we both looked at each other like, what? Like, it was never a thought. Even the day that she had her thumb go numb, we didn't correlate it because it was safe and effective, right? There was nothing that would have made us think that it would have been a reaction. And when we went to get it, it's not like we had the fear then. You know, there was always that little bit of, oh, this is strange, but there was no fear. So we weren't looking for any sort of reaction. It was a doctor, an emergency room doctor who presented it to us and then put it in a file and then from there the discussion opened.

But it did not start from us. So I want you guys to talk about the purple dots on the fingers and toes because this, I just have to tell you, I've never heard this before. So can you describe these purple dots and what they did and then what happened? Okay, so a purple dot, it's like just a tiny little lesion, like a little tiny blood blister. Now, for days, my daughter and I kind of watched it move up my finger, go towards my fingernail, and once it got under that fingernail, it moved up, and the pain was excruciated. I said it was a telephone pole coming out of my fingernail, not a sliver. and when it actually came to the edge of the nail there was crystals it was like coarse salt and it happened to my toes as well

so during the i don't know when but my fingernails and my toenails completely changed but the pain that i felt when these things were coming up through my fingernails it yeah i just wanted to be wanted to die. It was painful. And sometimes they would look like an under the skin bruise and you would watch that move. And sometimes they would come to the surface and be a wound on the outside. And then that wound would move to the outer surfaces. And they always started somewhere and went to the farthest extremity. So she got them on the tips of her ear, her fingers and her toes. And they came out the fingernail beds. Right. Crystals. So, yeah, so, yeah. So, yeah. So, So David, you're anticipating what I've wanted.

And it's very hard to see blue in a photo. So I tried many times to get some of these photos. And as we all know. Is this photo up? Yeah. Okay. So this is a photo of Janine's hands. And the longest finger you can see that it's blue in the photograph.

But what you're saying is the photograph really does not do much justice here. No, because when I first went to the doctor and it was purple, and he was very nervous, and he told me if it gets any worse to go to emergency right away. Because he said, if it gets any worse, he said you actually could lose your fingers and your toes because it looks like maybe gangrene. Okay, let's go to the next photo. So this is kind of the blue dots now move to the end of the finger, right? Yeah. So this is, but it would start in the hand or on the finger. Like on the knuckles and then it would kind of move on up.

And as it moved up, it seemed to get a little bigger. And then by the time I got to my fingernail. And that looks sore to me. Yeah, yeah. Hey, David, do you want to go to the next one? So this is where a crystal would come out, right? This has happened from the toe. Yeah, in the toenails, you can sort of see things.

but the bottom of my toe where that round thing is, that started off as just the tiniest little mark. And then it grew and grew and grew and grew. And you could see my bone through the hole. It became a gaping hole. And it looked like this for about nine months. Yeah. And it would not go away.

Yeah. And you can still see it today, but it's not open any longer. Okay. But you can see on the second toe, that the nail doesn't I used to call it like ogre toes I'm like you you now have these

like big ugly man nails on your toes that you never had before and they they came out of nowhere it was so fast so let's go you were starting to talk about muscle weakness I just I wanted us no that's that's it

yeah I just I felt like I was getting weaker now at work I also as a personal shopper so I would go and grab milk out of the cooler to put in my bucket, I could no longer pick up a bag of milk. It was taking two arms to get a bag of milk. I went to grab a thing of orange juice, dropped it, and it's like, okay, there's something definitely, definitely wrong. But that was after I'd even gone to the doctor about my hands. So I was just getting weaker. I think within a couple of weeks, I was,

I could no longer go to work. I couldn't stay on my feet for more than five minutes. If I touched something, I felt like I was going to break. Like if I would touch this, my hand felt like it was going to break. I felt like I was either like breaking like glass or a total infant. And it's like I have no idea what is going on. So you're clearly having a severe reaction. do you take a second shot?

I did because we did not correlate this at all. I did not think of this whatsoever. It's like, okay, maybe I'm just getting old real, real quick. Now, Jennifer, you have a different story of the evidence here. So can you share with us a conversation you had? Yeah. That was there. Of course.

So this was still around the time where we had seen our family doctor and he's the one who told me, if you see any changes, go to emerge, go to emerge. And it's hard. Nobody wants to go to emerge, especially at that time. And it was really difficult. We spent a lot of hours there waiting. And she was in a lot of pain the one day,

and it just so happened to be the day prior to her second shot's appointment. And we went to emerge. We spent all night there all night long. I think we left at 8 a.m. And her appointment was at 11 a.m. And I remember asking the emergency room doctors there who let us go if she should be going for that appointment. Can I just ask you to talk the last? slower. Oh, sorry. I guess.

Because we've got transcriptionists. Of course, I know, and I'll go real quick, too. I need to be slowed down. So, yeah, so please slow it down or they won't have a champ. No problem. So they told us, yes, she should absolutely go and get that second one, that it was very important that she did that, or she could get worse. So, sorry, so she could get worse. So we did go through with that appointment, and when we got there,

they do their regular questioning, and we asked them if it was still a good idea for her to get this second shot because she had just been in the emergency room, that her fingers were blue, that she was in a lot of pain. And it was actually a doctor who administered that second vaccine. And she said, absolutely, yes, you're best off to get this vaccine today so that you don't get worse. So we were told the same thing by that doctor.

And I was really hesitant, but the appointment was booked. So we did it. and she did get that shot. You know, the reasoning that we had, I think, Senator Ron Johnson here yesterday going, and somebody else said it too. It's like, okay, so the vaccine is supposed to protect you from getting COVID.

So if it works, and that's true, why do you care if somebody's unvaccinated? Because you're protected. Why do you care about them? So you're injured from the vaccine, so the solution is to take more of the vaccine? And it was a, Moderna was the second shot as well. And it was within, I believe it was 48 hours, maybe 36 hours.

And she texted me, she lives alone in her own apartment. And she's on a second floor with no elevator, just to put that in. And she texted me at 5 a.m. to say, I can't move. And I was like, well, what does that mean? And I rushed over to her place. I'm only 10 minutes away. And when I got into her apartment, she was literally clung to the corner, to the wall. she was holding on to the wall because she couldn't hold herself up

and she couldn't walk to anywhere in her tiny little one-bedroom apartment. And to be honest, I wanted to call. So, Deneen, that's when I started looking backwards. That's the only way I just could shuffle my feet very, very slightly backwards. I could not go forward. I could not go sideways. I could shuffle backwards. And that's how I went down three flights of stairs is like backwards hanging on.

because we were in this strange denial state where we're like, this can't be real. And we had so many times that this can't be real. Just hang on. So, Janine, so you've woken up and something's changed. You actually can't walk forward. The only way you can move is backwards. What's going through your mind? Like, what's the experience?

I'm going to say total confusion and absolute terrified. Because I had no idea. Is this going to be my life? life? Am I just going to drop right here? Is pain going to be the rest of my life because I'd been in pain for a couple weeks already? I was absolutely terrified. It's like I didn't know. I didn't have a flu. And my understanding is you also started to shake. Can you talk about that? My understanding is your body was shaking too at that time. Yeah. Can you share about that? My legs absolutely started to shake. I had no control. Like, I don't feel like it was a seizure at all, but everything was just not, not right.

It's like I was jerky. I was not right. It's very hard to describe when you're going through things. Okay. Now, today, you've gone from being able to walk, walking two kilometers for it being on your feet all day and then walking back, you can maybe have 10 minutes on your feet. Yeah. And then that's it. The burning, the burning, and it's like I can feel, it feels like the bottom of my feet almost get lumpy or that I'm walking on like broken seashells. And when I look at my feet, they look absolutely normal.

I thought I was having phantom pain for the longest time. It's like, this is not real. Maybe I'm just imagining it. Because it's like none of it made any sense. I've never even heard of half of this stuff. Now, I've seen you today using a walker to get around. Yep. But you were in a wheelchair for six months, and then you had to graduate up to being at least a woman.

Well, when I was going through a lot of testing and my legs were just not working properly, and I finally went to my family doctor, and it's like, okay, I know they've done all these tests. Can I please get an x-ray on my hips? and I got the x-ray. They had me into hip surgery very, very quickly when I went, the doctor had told me, he says, oh, my God, your hips are absolutely destroyed because of lack of circulation. And what he said then as well is that this must have been going on for 10 years to get to this point. And we laughed and were like, no, she was walking beautifully six months ago and he didn't believe us.

because he says it's impossible. There's no way that it could be this deteriorated that quickly. And I was like, well, you should have seen her walk not long ago. Right. So Jennifer, what's the effect been on you in the experience? But you've shared with us that you basically become a caregiver to your mother. Because, Janine, you've had to stop cooking and you have trouble holding things. You do need assistance now.

Jennifer, what's what's it been like on you? Honestly, it changed everything. Everything overnight. You know, after that first vaccine, there was a couple of doctor's appointments, things like that. So we were just a little bit worried. But after that second one and she was basically immobile, I took over. I took over. And, you know, we didn't, listening to some of these other stories, you know, we didn't have a farm to sell.

We didn't have a business to sell. It was financial ruin almost immediately. You know, she lives alone. She's an independent woman who worked at a grocery store. She was not in a position to lose her job overnight. And that was another element to this story that was very difficult. She never went back to work and, you know, still to this day hasn't. We struggled to get her resources in every facet.

I work full time. I'm a mom of three. I was raising my three kids at home by myself on a single income, trying to help out my mom who's now disabled and without an income. And for a lot of you, I'm sure you're aware, It's not easy to get yourself on disability or CPP disability now. To get, I needed to get her a PSW into the house. I would stop by every day after work, pick up her laundry, do her laundry,

make sure she had things to eat, and I would bring her meals, make sure she was okay, just to have someone visit her. Because when all of this happened, she gave up her entire social life, for one, because she didn't feel well. And two, you didn't talk about it. We didn't talk about it to most people, and nobody wanted to hear it either. Right. That's a theme.

Now, Janine, my last question for you is I'd asked you during the interview, what was the most dangerous part? You listed a couple of things, and one was losing your son, Robert, because he was scared of you. Can you share with us what that's all about? My son, when he found out what was going on, he would not be able to handle. seeing me in pain. So I talked to him often, but there was no way he was going to come and visit because he just couldn't handle it. Yeah. And then he suddenly just passed away. And he was 42. What do you mean he suddenly passed away? Well, we got a phone call and they said that, yeah, he had passed away. Now, we had asked.

not to get the COVID shot until we knew kind of thing, but he went and got the COVID shot, and then he went and got the flu shot, and he died, and I think it was... It took quite a few months to get his autopsy report, and his autopsy report came out saying that he had some heart issues, some lung and liver issues, but the ultimate cause was bacterial pneumonia, which he wasn't sick when he died. Like he, you know, we talked to him a few days before and, you know, he was okay. And then I got, it wasn't a phone call, actually. It was a knock on my door from a police officer to say that my brother was gone,

which was really hard because I had been trying to get him to come down and visit my mom because I was taking care of her by myself. And he struggled with that because he didn't, she was a tough woman and she always has been. And he didn't want to see her weak. So he never got to see her. after she fell ill. So I never got to see him either. And to me, that's been the hardest part is I feel like

I lost my little best friend and who she was because she's a different person now. But I also lost my brother because he couldn't handle it. And now he's gone. And that's, you know, of course it's a different story. But listening to the others today, you know, it really is at home for everyone who suffered through those losses as well.

And it's been really hard. And I know that I feel like I'm sitting here today for all those other voices, you know, and I'll take Abigail and Dominic's story and everyone else who have their losses and take those with me today too. And that's why we're here to share because we felt like we've lived in isolation. We get out and we still do things, but the conversations that we have feel padded and they shouldn't. I've never looked at someone and judged them because they told me their family member had cancer or had diabetes or MS or some other ailment. But this one, they look at me funny.

And even some of my personal close friends today, we've just chosen that we're just not going to talk about it anymore so we can remain friends. And I'd rather do that than, you know, have the disagreements and things like that. I don't want the divide. Thank you. You would mention long-term disability and CPP.

Have you filed and got any of those programs? I have filed for the vaccine injury. And I did that in August of 2022. I talked to someone the beginning of July, because I called them, I don't remember why, but they told me that, no, my folder's still sitting there, and it has 111 pages sitting there, and that's where it's at.

They never gave you a timeline to how long? I asked him, and he said, no, we have no idea. We're still going through paperwork. But my file is sitting there with 1100 or 1100 pages. 111. Yeah, 111. And that's all I heard from them. I was on disability for a while.

And I'm on CPP. But when I went to see if I could get on disability CPP, I don't know how to do that stuff. And it said something like, you have to be under 65. So once I turn 65, It's like, okay, I got nothing now. When I was on disability, I was able to get transportation for free so I could get to hospital appointments without having to call my daughter.

Now I got nothing. So I don't know. And yeah, there was eight months where I had to go through, I don't know the name. It's called Ilo Prost Infusions was one of the only treatments that she's had over the last few years that gave her some resolve with the circuit. issues. They actually started her on Viagra. And that was helpful, but again, is very expensive. And she didn't have insurance at the time. So we were fortunate to have a rheumatologist who booked her for Ilo-Proston fusions. It took about six months for them to approve this. And she went for eight months' worth of treatments for that. And they were three day in a row treatments. And, you know,

I worked full time and I had to go to work as well. So we were able to find some sort of of Ride program that was available to her, but as soon as she turned 65 for some reason, that got cut off. I would suggest your regional to one year, your MP for helping. Our offices deal with this. There was a community worker that came, and she said, I've helped you fill out all the paperwork, and I'm going to get a hold of people, and yet there's community things that will get in touch with you, and I heard from nothing.

And I'm not very good at reaching out, because I don't know what to do. I got one last question. It's a short one. The crystals that come out through the knife, fingers and toes, did they ever test that to see what it was? Anybody ever? No, and I did have a little bit saved, and I could not find it afterwards. I could not find it, but I told the doctor about it, and she actually saw a little bit that was under my toenail, and she said, oh, my God, like, I've never seen that before, and that was really the base of the end of that.

I also want to say that, okay, inflammation, I get that a lot, especially with the rain, and there is absolutely no medication that I can take without making me sick. So I am stone cold, cannot take medication. The only one that helped was hydromorphone, which is an opioid, and that one, as soon as I could get off of that, I was off of that. That was dark moments. Thank you for telling you, sir. Thank you, Mr. Ross, Ms. Mishmah.

Yes. The question that bothers me is you get vaccine and you get injury for that. And there are two different things. Not getting vaccinated and getting vaccine and getting injured after that. So when you talk to people and they are not able to relate to that, there is a difference. What do you think that needs to be done as a society as a... What's missing there? Information.

If I'd have had more information on what was going, like what was happening, I probably would not have gotten the vaccine, but I was essential worker. Yeah, I don't know. I just, I feel like we were lied to. And the information that just wasn't out there and being this dirty little secret. I believe advocacy is another one as well. And being the, you know, lucid person who was healthy, who spent this much time in the hospital with someone who was unwell and watching and hearing other people try and navigate the system and how quickly they were turned away and denied and spent

hours and hours in the hospital. And it's really hard to advocate for yourself. And I know my mom would be in a very different position if I hadn't been there fighting for her beside her as well. So I think that's a piece we're lacking. And I thought this many times as we were driving to the emergency room saying, man, I wish everybody had someone like me beside them because they deserve it. Thank you. Ladies, thank you very much, Neen, and for being such a strong advocate for your mom. Thank you.

Thank you for. Not everyone has a chance to have a strong advocate. I think that makes a big difference as well. Yeah, I think so. Thank you guys very much for doing this. We appreciate it. So our next witness is Dr. Charles Hawth. Charles, I didn't ask you if you're open swearing on the Bible or whether you'd like to

affirm it. I would like to swear on the Bible. If you'd take the Bible in your right hand. Dr. Charles Hoff, do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth? So help you God. I do. Now, you're a medical doctor. Can you describe for us where your practice is and kind of describe it

kind of describe your practice and how long you've been there? I'm a family doctor and former ER doctor. I live and work in Lytton, BC. It's a small, mostly First Nations community in the southern interior of British Columbia, and I've been there since 1993. So don't make me do the math. How many years does that?

So that's 33 years. Okay. So you, and you're, are you the only? doctor? I'm the only doctor that lives in that town. There are some others that come in periodically that sort of cycle through it, but no, I'm the only, I'm the town doctor. Okay, so you're the town doctor and in this, like Lytton really is out of the way.

Like, isn't it like three and a half hours to Vancouver? It's about four hours to Vancouver, three hours to Colonna, two hours to Camloops. Right, but Cameloups and Colonna themselves are small. cities. Yes. Okay. So when you're the doctor, 33 years, can you tell us what happened when COVID hit? When COVID hit, obviously there was a lot of hype from the legacy media that, and I was

initially quite afraid. I heard that there were doctors and nurses in China who were dying trying to save these desperately ill people. And so the first thing that happened was that the regional health authority divided our ER into two parts, a COVID section and a non-COVID section. They made a negative pressure room where we were going to be putting people on ventilators. And we were expecting the tsunami of desperately ill patients to come in. We had to practice suiting up in hazmat suits and taking them off on the right sequence and you know and running drills basically getting ready for all of these desperately ill patients. So one thing that's interesting is you know we had Senator Johnson here

yesterday and he's talking about the Fauci diaries. I mean this is the guy that really for the world set the stage and anyone can read these diaries. They've been released to the public and it's clear that you know Fauci is discussing with other people. people how this is really no worse than a bad flu season yes and and we have every few years we have a bad flu season so really there was nothing unusual this is going to be a bad flu season according to the expert and and i think you'd agree with me we now know that if the government hadn't done anything we would have had a bad flu season but what does it do psychologically that health care workers like yourself when you're being told, no, this is it.

This is like the 1918 flu. This is like you guys are going through drills where you're going into hazmat suits. You're building a negative pressure room. What does this do to the psychological makeup of the healthcare people that are now expecting this, I think you said, tsunami of COVID cases? It was clearly designed to create fear.

and fear in the medical community, in the whole community. And our ER was literally the quietest that it had ever been. People were too afraid. People were sitting at home with chest pain and serious things that should have come into the ER. And they were too afraid to go to the ER because they thought that that's where all the dying COVID people are. And so in ER doctors, DRs all over the country, the staff were twiddling their thumbs, waiting for the tsunami. And I'm just going to stop you there because that's going to shock people because the mainstream media was basically telling us that ER rooms were full.

Yes. Like we saw those stories. And I know from other proceedings I've been in and other doctors that I've questioned under oath. that they've said the same thing as you, that their ERs were empty. They've never been so slow. And I know I personally had to go to the ER twice during COVID, just actually because I got wounded and then wound got infected.

And so they had to cut it open and redo it. And I walked in and there's no one there and I'm treated right away. And the second time, actually, can some med students come and can we film this? wound care because we have nothing to do. I've never experienced that before where I were twice, I walk into ER and it's empty and I'm the only one there and there's nothing happening. There's no other patients. There's nothing happening. And that's what you, you experience. That is exactly what I experienced and the crazy part was in Lytton where I worked and apparently it was right across the world because I have family in South Africa and they told me it was the same. At seven

o'clock in the evening, people would come out and they would sort of parade past these ERs, honking their horns, you know, and thanking these frontline heroes that are saving all these lives. And I would go and stand there while all these community members were driving by with signs, you know, thank you, heroes. And I felt like a complete fraud, because we hadn't had a single COVID- patient. Not one. And in fact, you know, so our ER happened to burn to the ground 18 months after the start of the pandemic. And by that time, we still had not had one single patient in our town that needed any care for COVID whatsoever. And so I felt like a complete fraud because I was the hero that had done nothing. So how far into the pandemic was it? That it burned. So the pandemic started

the beginning of 2020 and it all burned on the end of June 2021. So it was pretty well. And not a single case. Not even just in the ER, in the entire community. There hadn't been a single, there'd been people with COVID, but it was just a bad flu. Nobody needed hospital care. Nobody, no, it was, it was absurd. Okay. So that, I think that's going to shock some people. Yeah. So now, things change, though, when the vaccine comes out. Yes. Can you share what your experience with the vaccine was?

Yes, that's when the ER started to get busy. Because, you know, as Senator Johnson mentioned yesterday, one of the side effects of the vaccine was that you would get COVID. You know, it literally, and of course, these people who got COVID, within two weeks of their vaccination was still considered unvaccinated. You weren't, you know, you weren't statistically considered vaccinated until two weeks after your second shot. So they would quote this as unvaccinated people with COVID. Meanwhile, the reason why they had it is because their immune system was suppressed by their COVID shot and they were more likely to get COVID.

And so that's when all the COVID cases really started needing care was once the vaccine rollout started. And it wasn't just people with COVID, but it was also the vaccine injuries. So again, I think that's a point that will shock people. And I know that when Senator Johnson was here yesterday, he was also talking about that, how there's evidence that the more shots you had. And we're going to have a witness testify with brand new research using Ontario health data showing, I think, about six months into the pandemic,

it seemed that the vaccine was causing COVID or a side effect of the vaccine is as you're more likely to catch COVID. And I think the first study that came out that I became aware of was the Cleveland Clinic. Correct. Can you share your feeling? familiar with that. I'm quite familiar. Yeah. What did that study show? And can you explain what the Cleveland

clinic was and how they collected that? Yeah. So that Cleveland study was, I mean, there's since been a number of other studies that have retested that. So that was research done. I believe it was to test the effectiveness of the COVID booster that was designed for the Omicron variant. And so this was a study on 51,000. healthcare workers in Cleveland. It was basically a study designed to show how effective this booster was. And so they, this was healthcare workers. And so not all of them had had the vaccines because they weren't mandated there.

So some had had none. Some had had one shot. Some had had two. And at that point, the Omicron one was there. Some people had had four shots. And what they found was a direct correlation. the people that were getting COVID the least were the unvaccinated. And literally the more shots you had, the more often and the more likely you would get COVID.

And the people that had it the most were getting COVID the most were the most vaccinated. In other words, the people that had the Omicron booster. One of the things that's interesting about that, and as you say, and I'm aware that there are other studies. In fact, I don't think there's a study that shows anything different, and this inquiry is going to have some original research using Ontario data to show the same thing is there's a portion of the population that everyone understands there's deaths around us and injuries. And I mean, here we've had all this testimony today about that. But a large number of people believe that, well, yeah, but it's caused by long COVID. So thank goodness we had the vaccine to protect people from long COVID. It might be shocked to learn that no, actually the vaccine,

and the major side effect is that you're more likely to get COVID. So if long COVID is the cause of this, then by that logic, long COVID is a vaccine injury. Yes. Let alone we also know that likely it's more vaccine injury than long COVID anyway. But the other thing that this shows is that the vaccine rollout prolonged the pandemic. by making people more likely to get COVID. So rather than this being our way out of the pandemic, it did the exact opposite.

Because more people got COVID, the more boosters you got, the more likely you would get COVID. And the sicker, you know, and so, I mean, there's so much data from it. I want to bring this back down to your experience, though. So your people are coming in for COVID in your community, but it's just nothing that requires hospital. or anything different than how you treat a flu. What type of injuries were you seen from the vaccine, and what did you do about it? Well, so initially I saw neurological injuries. So people say, well, what's a neurological injury?

So you may have noticed from the many of the witnesses that we've had here, a very common side effect was pain. You know, some have complained of literally like a fire in their brain, burning in their head. I had patients with burning under their feet, burning in their hands, burning in some parts of their body, but for other people,

it was just shooting pains. Many people described like electrical jolts shooting down their limbs that would keep them up all night or just be day and night, just tortured by pain. So pain was a frequent one, but the other one was weakness,

where they now had difficulty walking or difficulty, I had three patients with weak hands. I mean, one of them, and it was equally weak on both sides, which means that it's, this is something that's affected your brain on both, or either, well, it would either have to be both sides of your brain or your spinal cord for it to have a symmetrical weakness. So, you know, I had one lady who said she had to get all the door handles in her house changed because they were round knobs, and she, even with both hands, didn't have enough strength to open the doors in her house, so she had to have them switched to a change to a lever-type door handle. So weakness, dizziness, light sensitivity, sound sensitivity,

cranial neuropathies. So we've had a couple of people here with Bell's palsies. I had one 38-year-old patient who had five cranial nerve. So Bell's palsy is a cranial nerve, seventh cranial nerve paralysis. So I had one patient who 38 years old who had five cranial. So she first got a palsy on one side. A month later on the other side, she couldn't move her tongue so she could hardly speak and had difficulty eating. She had terrible trigeminal pain, which is pain in your face.

And these are, so initially, so this was mostly what I was seeing initially with these neurological injuries. So the first thing I did was to try and find a neurologist who would assess these patients. And so I phoned three major regional hospitals that I usually send patients to. I phoned Royal Inland Hospital in Cameloupes, getting no joy there. I phoned Vancouver General Hospital and St. Pauls, who are the two biggest hospitals in Vancouver, phoned their neurology departments that say, I've got six seriously injured people from the COVID. vaccines, they need to be urgently assessed to find out what's going on and what do we do. And in every case, as soon as you say it's a vaccine injury, the phone would go silent,

and they'd say, this is not our field of expertise, try elsewhere. And they wouldn't touch it. They wouldn't touch it. And eventually, I said, well, I've got to, this is way out of my realm as a family doctor. I've never seen such things before. And so they gave me the name of a neurologist who they thought might be willing. So I sent him six referral letters on my six most seriously injured neurological patients and marked them as urgent referrals. They were given appointments for five months ahead. Because as soon as you say it's vaccine, they don't want to touch it.

So with one of them who was the 38-year-old with five cranial nerve palsies, on the day that he finally saw her, he admitted her to St. Paul's Hospital for eight days to try and figure out what was going on. I mean, in this, she'd waited five months for her appointment, and she instantly admitted. So, I mean, these people, I think, I don't know whether they thought I was exaggerating. And of course, it doesn't show on the test. This is like a stealth weapon. What this spike protein did, I mean, I can see why it's a, you know, it was patent. The first patent art was. So can I just back you up because I'm curious, you're phoning neurology departments in Broilandland Hospital, and then VGA and then. And St. Paul's.

And I imagine normally when you call and do a referral, they just set up the referral. Well, normally, if you phone, they will say, okay, have them come in to ER. Has this ever happened where they've refused to referrals? No, they don't. So it's because it was, so the changed factor was vaccine injury. Exactly. And you know, the crazy thing was, so, so I sent a letter to Dr. Bonnie Henry, who are provincial.

We're going to pull that up. Oh, are you? Okay. Okay. So, but first before we do, I guess tell us why you wrote the letter. Okay. And then, you know, we'll pull the letter up just so people can see it. And then you can tell us what happened.

Sure. So what happened was, first, when I became aware of safety signals, I tried to alert my colleagues in the area to these safety signals and was immediately reprimanded by the regional health authorities. And they told me that I was putting people at risk by creating vaccine hesitancy. And they said, we're sending this email that you sent out as a complaint to the College of Physicians and Surgeons. you are not allowed to say anything negative about this vaccine in the course of your work. And if you've got any questions about it, you need to send it to the regional health officer. So I just want to slow you down. So you're seeing really what you're seeing as a cluster of vaccine injury?

Well, initially with that, no, because I'd been away on holiday. And I hadn't seen my patients for five weeks. And I didn't know what was happening. And I got back and AstraZeneca had been shut down in Europe in 12 countries. And Trudeau had ordered 60 million doses and said, no, it's fine for Canadians. And I sent a letter to my colleague saying there is a serious safety signal. Twelve countries in Europe have shut this down. Trudeau says it's fine.

I think we need to pause and take stock. And I was reprimanded for that. And so when I came back from holiday When you say you were reprimanded, so you mean public health? Is that the reprimand? Well, no, it was my superiors at Royal Enland Hospital phoned me. I had a teleconference with two of them and one of me, and they told me that I was putting people at risk by creating vaccine. In other words, for pointing out safety signals, you're putting people at risk.

So they gave me effectively a gag order. They said, you're not allowed to say anything negative about it. If you've got any questions, they gave me the name of the person that I needed to send the questions to. So when I then was back at work and started seeing my vaccine injured patients coming in, and I'd been their family doctor for 28 years at that point. And I was horrified. I was absolutely horrified. And so I then sent a letter to this person that they had told me to direct my questions to.

But, and so she was the one that ultimately I sent all the vaccine injury reports to, but I sent her this letter saying, this is what I'm seeing? What do I do? What's the diagnosis? I've never seen this before. How do I treat it? I'm their family doctor. I don't even know what the diagnosis.

I've never seen this kind of thing. before. And so she sent that to the college as a complaint that I was obviously saying something negative about the vaccine now. So I just want to be clear because you're a doctor and you're actually going up to your, you know, superior. So there's a hierarchy here. And you're saying this is what I'm seeing. What do I do? Yes. So she never responded to that. She sent it to the college as a complaint. So I then sent that letter. So let's put this letter up. So that letter was to Dr. Bonnie Henry, who's the provincial health officer in BC, to tell her that 900, was it 900? Yeah, the first 900 of my patients had received the first dose of Moderna. And I told her about what, you know, one patient had died suddenly.

two had anaphylactic shock immediately afterwards. Three looked like they were going to be permanently disabled. And you can't necessarily say that a disability is permanent after only three months, but they sure looked like they were going to be permanently disabled. Because they'd had their shots in January, and this was now April. So I sent her this letter, but because I had a sort of a sense of real urgency that I knew these people had been, so people were terrified of COVID.

So they were lining up for these shots to keep them safe. And I realized that they'd been, we knew at that point that the recovery rate was the same as the flu. We knew that. Yet people didn't believe that. Because all these people are supposed to be dying. And so I sent that letter to her, but I sent it as an open letter because I'm not a social media person.

I've never ever put anything on social media. I didn't know how else to try and warm the world. And fortunately, that did. A lot of people saw that. And a lot of people who were suspicious about this thought, ha, finally, here is a doctor saying what he's, just talking about what's happening to his patients. And what came of that letter?

Well, so the response of the college was to then send a warning letter to every single registered doctor saying that if they spread misinformation about COVID or the COVID vaccines, that they would be put under investigation and if necessary discipline. And I'm just going to stop you. I bet you, Dr. Hoff, that every doctor in British Columbia knew what was meant by the term misinformation. Correct. And what was meant by the term misinformation? Well, in medical school, you are taught that vaccines save millions and millions of lives. And that the vaccines are the greatest triumph of science and medicine in human history. And that's what you're taught.

And therefore, vaccines are sort of like holy ground. You don't say anything negative about a vaccine because this is the greatest triumph of science and medicine and human history. That's where the term anti-vaccs, you know, to be an anti-vax is a bit like being a Holocaust denial. You don't go there. So, I mean, and that's why doctors are so hesitant to report vaccine injuries. I mean, they had mentioned about the study done by Harvard in 2010 that showed that. that 0.8% of vaccine injuries are ever reported. And that's not COVID-Dag, that's all vaccines.

0.8%. Doctors are very hesitant to blame vaccines for anything. So on that point, because actually by law in Canada, you're obligated to report what you believe is a vaccine injury. Correct. So by law, you've got this obligation. Yes. You have a number of vaccine,

who you believe are vaccine injuries. patients. Yes. So do you follow the law and submit vaccine entry reports? Well, I did, and I tried. So the other response to that letter was Dr. Bonnie Henry. She never replied to it, but she referred this to her top vaccine safety specialist, who was Dr. Monica Nouse. So I was offered Dr. Monica. Monica. Nouse. So I was offered a telephone meeting with her. And at that meeting, I explained to her what I've seen as a family doctor, what's happening to my patients. And her response was to assure me that these were not vaccine injuries. Now, she hadn't seen or assessed any of my patients in any way, but yet she said,

these are not vaccine injuries. These must be all coincidences. And I said, well, I don't know what to do. I don't know how to treat this. I don't know what the diagnosis is. I've tried these three hospitals, three neurology departments in major referral hospitals. No one will touch this with a 10-foot pole. Please will you help me to find a neurologist who will assess these patients urgently?

And she said, no, I can't do that. So I said, well, how do I get somebody to see them? How do I get a specialist to assess these patients? She said, don't tell them it's a vaccine injury. Those were her words. Now, what happened to the vaccine injury reports that you filed? So I started submitting these reports. And the first, after I'd sent the first six, they were this regional health officer,

not Dr. Bonnie Henry, but the regional one that I was told to direct my questions to was having press conferences and things saying that what I was saying was untrue, that there was no vaccine injuries, that what I was claiming, his vaccine injuries was completely unfounded, again, without investigating any of the things that I was trying to report. And so I assumed, well, okay, let's give her the benefit of the doubt. Maybe she's never got the six vaccine injury reports that I've submitted. So then I redid them all, and each one is nine pages. It's a laborious, I figured out it probably takes you 25 minutes to do each one, and you get paid zero. So, you know, so anyway, I then started sending them by registered mail so that somebody

had to sign for them so that they couldn't say they didn't get them. And after I'd sent 14, and every single one was returned to me saying, nope, these are not vaccine injuries. These are all coincidences. So there were real responses then when you sent them registered mail? Yes, they then responded and told me they weren't vaccine injuries. And I just want everyone to totally understand. So you've been the doctor of these patients at this point for like, It was 28 years. 28 years. You've got their medical charts.

You've got this history. They're coming to you. You're examining them. Did anyone from this office ask for a single patient's charts? No, no. I never got a phone call. They never spoke to them. They wouldn't speak to me.

And they didn't speak to your patients. Well, I asked some of them. Some of them said a nurse, a nurse phoned them. but you know these these were people who should have been assessed by a neurologist and one of who was admitted into the hospital once they were well yeah yeah well i mean so but that was so so in other words public health that were rolling this out when you when you're rolling out a new experimental treatment you should be monitoring it very carefully there was no follower there was all there was was a denial that it could possibly do harm

and then I've just got two quick things because we're running out of time so you actually were professionally disciplined meaning that you were charged by the college but they backed down after a lot of headache for you and that you were told the reason why they backed down yes so so um I had eight brilliant expert witnesses um I had um Dr James Thorpe, who's going to be testifying here. I had Dr. Peter McCulloch. I had Dr. Pierre Corrie. I had Jessica Rose, who testified earlier today. I had eight world experts in their field dealing with each of the areas of accusation against me. And so when the college saw this absolute barrage of top-notch scientific evidence that was backing up what I had been saying,

about the vaccine injuries, they asked this disciplinary panel, which was my jury, to grant judicial notice to their facts. And one of their facts was that the shots are safe and effective. And so if they grant judicial notice, you're not allowed to contest that. So they wanted this panel to declare that the safe and effective is uncontested. It's self-evident and therefore you cannot, And so if they had granted that, I would not have been allowed to speak about vaccine injuries in my own defense. And none of the evidence of my expert witnesses, and we had almost a thousand page of top-notch scientific evidence, none of it would be allowed to be even admitted as court documents. So they tried to bury my defense behind this thing called judicial notice. And fortunately by the grace of God, this panel, who I prayed for every day, said, no, this safe and effective thing needs to be proven.

And I said, hallelujah, thank you, God. And so when they couldn't bury the evidence, they then tried to reschedule the trial twice at times when they knew my lawyer couldn't be present. I mean, they tried every deceitful trick. And then eventually, when they couldn't, nothing worked, they dropped the charges and they wouldn't say, the only, they wouldn't actually say why they dropped the charges. And the only coherent reason in all their verbose language that they gave was effectively, this process has already fulfilled its purpose of acting as a deterrent to any other doctor that may wish to spread misinformation. And so we'll just want to make this clear. So what they're saying is, is that the real reason for going after you is to make an example. Correct.

For other doctors within British Columbia is that if you spoke misinformation, which in your case was just raising concerns about vaccine injury and trying to report vaccine injury, don't you dare do that, BC doctors? Or you will face what Dr. Hoff faced. Yes. So it was meant to scare other doctors. into submission. This was a censorship tactic. It was to get all these doctors to self-sensor them. You know, you don't, yeah, don't do what Hoff did. You saw what we did to him. Thank you. Now, we've got a couple of five minutes left. I got a couple of questions. I got one from Mr. Dawson and one one from Mr. Dalton, okay? You mentioned coincidence. There's certain

professions. I don't believe in coincidence. You're a profession, our profession, and there's other, many others, but there's certain professions, coincidence, I don't believe in. Who do you blame for the COVID vaccine injuries, in your professional opinion? I think first and foremost, Health Canada is to blame. They approved this without any evidence that it was either safe or effective. So I think first and foremost, they are to blame.

And then, of course, complicit in that is all of the governmental authorities that pushed that narrative without any evidence. You know, they should have shown the evidence. So, you know, the medical medicine is supposed to be based on evidence. That's why we do clinical trials. That's why we have peer-reviewed studies. It's supposed to be evidence-based. And there wasn't any.

and yet they enforced it based on this assumption. Where do we go from here? And what does the government do moving forward? It's a really good question. I think the most positive thing that could come from this is that Health Canada should not get any funding from the pharmaceutical industry. Part of the problem is that Health Canada gets approximately 90% of its funding from the pharmaceutical industry. which means that's who it works for.

It doesn't work for the people of Canada. That's whose interests they are supporting. That is a huge conflict of interest. So really, I think those conflicts of interest need to be removed. And then I think there should be legislation in place to ensure freedom of speech. Because this thing about misinformation is all about shutting down freedom of speech. Because what's misinformation? It's literally whatever they decided is.

It's completely arbitrary. And it can change, you know, with the wind. Thank you. I think you opened a lot of eyes today with your testimony. Thank you. And I don't think the conflicts just out there either. I think they go a lot deeper than where. Thank you.

What you mentioned. Sure, Dahl. Yeah, thank you, Dr. Hoff for speaking. And I'm a member of Parliament from British Columbia. And certainly was aware of you speaking up during that time. And it was, no, just a couple questions before I, quick question here before I ask a couple more comments. Were you seen prior to this time, like,

had you been like an activist in anything else? Like, were you just like a troublemaker in the medical field and bringing up these sort of things? Or is this kind of new? No, no, no. I have, you know, I remember when I moved to Lytton, because Lytton's a very insignificant little place. You know, it's a, yeah, I mean, any town that only has one doctor is not a big place. So I remember when I first moved there, my father came there in 1994 and said, what on earth are you doing? He said to me, you are stuck in a back, Eddie.

You will never make a name for yourself in this place. And I said, I'm not trying to make a name from myself. I'm just a country doctor serving some wonderful people. And so, you know, I've, no, I've never been an activist in anything. I've never put anything on social media because I've never wanted to be a public figure in any way. I just wanted to humbly do my job and serve my patients. my patients. That's all I wanted to do.

Yeah. Because of, hopefully that was, and, you know, one of the arguments was that coastal health authority had said that vaccines don't prevent you from getting a COVID, and neither do they prevent you from transmitting it. They made no difference. And so it's kind of like, what is the whole purpose of this? And so, and also the pressures about basically everyone losing their licenses, that they would, you know, the impact about health care in British Columbia. Anyways, that got a lot of traction in BC.

And the same day, it was a letter to Premier Hogan at the time, that same day I put it out, they reversed course on basically decertifying all these people. So, but I, you know, this is a, it's been, it's been very difficult. It's been very difficult, very difficult for many health care workers that, that had problems with, with, with the vaccination from what they said and what they saw. And we have testimony here also of, I believe, one of the, one of the witnesses just, and actually a couple of witnesses that their, their daughter, I think Abigail, who died and then, and then others that were. or in the field, the impact, they were seeing these things. And so anyways, it's, I think that we do need to be looking at this from a health perspective rather than keeping everything like, ask the questions, which is what you were doing.

You were asked, you're saying, let's look at these questions. What's the problem? Let's get the treatment rather than having everything in a box. So thank you for asking those questions in the past and continuing to do so. Thank you so much for sending that letter. I mean, I was about to lose my medical license because Dr. Bonnie Henry had set a deadline. I think it was either the 23rd or the 26th of March. And I was expecting to lose my license because I was not going to take those shots.

And so my patients were about to suddenly be with no family doctor. So thank you so much for doing that. And Dr. Hop, thank you. You appreciate the stand that you've taken. And one of those doctors that people can come and get an honest, opinion and actually you have not been afraid to push back against the system when quite frankly as we've heard over the last two days has been very difficult to do so thank you for your stand on that all right thank you everyone for being here today we're up against our timeline of 5 o'clock

we will resume again tomorrow at 830 and on day 3 so to the MPs that took the time to be here we really appreciate it we thank you for your participation as well thank you very much Meeting is adjourned.