Shaun Newman Podcast - #1136 - Shadoe Davis

Episode Date: September 29, 2026

Shadoe Davis is a Winnipeg-born radio veteran with more than 25 years on air, first as a rock DJ across Canada and later as morning host of The Shadoe Davis Show on 680 CJOB. After leaving traditional radio in 2018, he launched the independent live program Shadoe at Nite in 2020. The show airs weeknights and focuses on current events, official narratives, and questions of common sense and fairness.Silver Gold Bull Links:Website: https://silvergoldbull.ca/Email: [e-mail] Grahame: [phone]Bow Valley Credit UnionBitcoin: www.bowvalleycu.com/en/personal/investing-wealth/bitcoin-gatewayEmail: [e-mail]’East Apothecary - USE promo code SNP for 15% off your orderhttps://thepowerofplants.ca/Get your voice heard: Text Shaun 587-217-8500

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This is James Lindsay. This is Vance Crow and you're listening to the Sean Newman podcast. Welcome to the podcast, folks. Happy Tuesday. How's everybody doing? Well, as I'm recording this, I am currently jaunting across northern Ontario. So I'm closing in on Quebec. been making sweet time with no trailer no breaks for the children no pee breaks

all the things and so yeah it's uh don't get me wrong i'm ready to be in halifax but it's kind nice to just enjoy the open road sun's shining like who happy tuesday i hope everybody's having a great day wherever you're at i am uh like i say eastbound and down right now and uh soon to be into Quebec. I woke up this morning, actually, and I rolled into, uh, um, for, Hearst, I think it was Hurst. Regardless, I rolled in late last night. Woke up this morning, everybody spoke French. I'm like, did I get into Quebec last night? And I just don't know. No, it turns out I was still in Ontario. Anyways, I bet, uh, when, uh, all the sponsors of the show were signing on, they didn't think I'd be

driving while doing the ad rates, but I thought, what the heck of miles a kill two, birds with one stone. Like I say, it is a beautiful day to be driving. Sun is shining. It's a balmy, 18 degrees. When I left Alberta, I woke up to ice on my windshield. I'm like, what is going on? We hadn't seen any of that out east.

And as I continue to trod my way, that way, it continues to warm up. Now, I got to bump in the shadow on the way through. Schedules didn't work out. Everybody was texting me as me and him cross-passed, but never seemed to, like, actually land on the same spot. So this was a great opportunity to connect. And obviously, as you'll hear, we did it while sitting in a restaurant so you can hear noises and the waitress comes in

and it's all the things that a road trip podcast should be. Now, before we get to that, let's get two little precious metals, shall we? Well, Silver Gold Bull, yeah, when they got their start there in Rocky Mountain House, where I'm at right now, kind of reminds us. being a little bit of rocky mountain house, I guess minus the mountains. Regardless, they're now North America wide. They're all over the place. And when you're dealing with getting your precious metals,

whether it's buying them, storing them, or you want to sell some. Silver Gold Bowl, who's going to point you to, of course, they're one of the title sponsors of the Cornerstone Forum, which returns May 15th, 2027, I might add, in Calgary. And down on the show notes, you can find Graham. He'll deal with you. He'll talk through any questions he got. concerns you got. You can throw it all at them. Love's hearing from you. And every time I run

into Graham now, obviously I didn't have time in my 12-minute stint in Calgary when I landed and left. But anytime I run into him, he's always got a smile on his face and he's already got a good story of one of you fine folks reaching out to him. He thinks very highly of you. And I'm glad that comes through. I'm glad, you know, when I talk about you guys, anyone who runs into you, including, I think the last one was Dr. Laura Braden, she was saying, man, you got some nice listeners. I'm like, yeah, they're sharp, they're awesome people, that's all you find folks. And Graham on the Silvergold Bull side is one of those as well.

Silvergoldbill.com. You can find them there, get an account, and away you go. Rect Power Products, back in my hometown of Lloyd Minster, there is, I tell you what, where I'm at right now, It is sandy. It went from being like all rock. And now I'm like, I found a new spot that I'd like to try out one of the side by sides or quads. I bet you there's some wicked trails up here and around where I'm at.

Just close to the Quebec border, like I say, I'm probably getting, as I'm recording this, I'm inching close. I've got to be within half hour of it. Regardless, when it comes to power products, Rect Power Products is where I'd steer you. They're open Monday through Saturday. Their showroom is. unreal and I hope I don't oversell that I think if you roll in you'll be like oh yeah you're not kidding if you're a fisherman they got the lun fishing boat if you want something a little more i don't

know folks i'm a little bit laid back on the water they got the pontoon boat that's that's where i'm at home maybe you like a little speed they got all the they got all the gadgets all the toys okay snowmobiles quads side by sides you can find them on the west side of lloyd minster or rectech power products dot com okay that's That's where you can get them. Now, if you're running a business or building a website online, I'm going to point you to Planetcom. All right, that's Carl and his team.

You can find them at planetcom.com. OK, remember that, planetcom. Dot CA. But when it comes to online security, stores, building websites, all the things, just, you know, cleaning out your laptop for Pete's sake. Carl and his team is going to help you. The guy knows computers inside and out. He's based at a Sherwood Park.

another Albertan and a beauty. He's politically active and is pretty up to date with things going on. So if you're looking for somebody who can help you, reach out to Carl and his team. Planetcom.com.com is where you're going to find them. Now, if you've been tired of mass-produced wellness, it's one of the things that I've been, you know, as I wasn't really planning on doing anything with,

a wellness company, if I'm being honest. But I ran into Northeast Apothecary, which is Dr. Laura Braden, and obviously when I was in P.E.I. Got to sit and watch her under brother Thomas and talk about some things. Everybody, I keep regaling the story of shampoo. I got to stop at some point. But, you know, started using some of their products.

I enjoyed it. I enjoy what she stands for. And, you know, shout out to Pat. You know, got to go out on the boat and go do some, do some. efficient and I just got to be around them and my kids and wife got to be around them and that okay I don't know all the well as companies they're everywhere but I know of one in Canada and they're based at a PEI ship Canada wide and if you're looking for you know all the things when it comes to

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noticed here while I'm driving there's no video that I traveled light folks I packed a backpack and so there's no video I would think for the rest of this week obviously I can't I can't say for sure on the next well I know yeah I can't say for sure on the next couple episodes but I'm pretty sure there'll be no video as long as the timeline works out and I get to where I'm supposed to be going. Regardless, that's for this week. So if you're a video lover, there's no video this week because I'm literally on the road by myself, pounding the pavement, as they say. And, yeah, getting awfully close to Quebec. So, yeah, no video this week. Now, if you haven't checked out substack, okay, we got the

bonus questions there. With Shadow, there's bonus questions. Yesterday with Tuesday, there was bonus questions. Once again, no video. But the bonus questions are on substack. We've got the week and review if you're wanting to be regaled about the story the week and review has been doing a very good job at capturing my thoughts on uh the last i don't know roughly month but i mean it goes back to the start of the trip as well so if you're wanting to get a full uh you know insight into what's going on and then of course a breakdown of every episode substack the week and review comes out sundays that's an easy way to go find it that's what i got for you today okay i hope everybody's having a great Tuesday. It's sunny where I'm at. The drive has been great. Looking forward to entering into

Quebec and, you know, getting through it and onwards and upwards as we march back to Halifax. Hope everybody's doing well. Now, let's get onto that tail of the tape. He was a longtime Canadian radio host. Now he hosts his own. It's the Shadow Davis show. I'm talking about Shadow Davis. So buckle up. Here we go. Yeah, so this is why people talk into it direct. Like way too close, eh? Like the mic I use for the show? Check.

I've got to keep it away. Check, check, check. Oh, yeah, that should be fine. Check, click on there. You got to click on it? Yeah. These ones are, so what am I doing? Channel, I was through here.

I was just saying this. I was through here. And the end of July. Yeah. I was just in Newfoundland. Like, what do you do with this? There's a little magnet on the back. Pull the magnet off.

Put it on the inside of your shirt. Oh, fine. All right, cool. And then it just clips on. Just like that. Just like that. Excellent. Where do you get these things? These ones came from Best Buy.

They're cheap, like I've tried the roads. I haven't loved them. So I walked into Best Buy, and a guy goes, what are you looking for? And I'm like, a cheap set of cordless mics because I'm both, and he's like, oh, you want this. And I'm like, what the heck is this? I've never even heard of DGI. Never I. Or D.J.I.

Or whatever. And he's like, oh, they're way better than Rhodes. And I'm like, really? He's like, I'm just a hobbyist, but he's like, they work way easier. And the problem with the Rhodes is it was almost like the only voice they'd pick up is mine. Right. Like if you have a rate of strong directed voice and pick up, anything else, it was just brutal. Wow.

And you can see that that's what it's doing right now. So I bought them at Best Buy. Super cheap. They cost me like $200. What program? using her? Gradch band. It's pretty simple. Well it doesn't have to be rocket science. No it doesn't. Like for audio I use audacity. Yes, I used to use audacity. Yeah, it's just simple. Easy to edit. Yes. Garage band. Free. Yeah. Free. Right. Garageband when I bought the computer

is the only reason I'm not using audacity is a game with it. Right. Garage band is free on an Apple. So it's the same like processes and everything when you edit or is it just? Yeah, for the most part. I mean... Just a couple of left turns here and right turns there. Yeah, you know. But what am I doing? I was in Newfoundland. Well, we got off the ferry, what is it today, Sunday? We got off the ferry Friday morning, drove to Halifax, dropped my family off there, got on a plane, flew to Alberta, picked up a truck and I'm driving it back. We blew the transmission, then we blew the motor. And so I left our first vehicle in Newfoundland. And so you drove all the way across the country? Yeah. Why? What are you doing? Um, so I mean, you don't have to say

if you don't want to or if it's just a complicated story. No, I'm like, okay, I'm like how much time we got. Normally I'm the guy going, you got as much time as you need. So you want to know what the funny thing about you and I, I was thinking about this just on the way over. I just think you and I are the guys who ask the questions and never really answer them. Correct. We don't have to, right? So it's going to be two guys asking questions. Well, actually, I listened to the first time, and that's what happens, because we both go back and forth. What am I doing? Okay, two years ago.

Yes, ma'am, please. All of it. All of it? Yeah. No problem. I'll be right back to the ball. Yep, yep, yep. I'll just take more coffee, and I need zero cream for her.

You're the black guy. It's black, yeah. All right. Thank you, ma'am. And I'm going to go and stuff, do you guys can just let me know when you're ready to order. Do you want any food? Oh, like, what do you got from my? muffins and stuff like that.

We don't have any muffins, but we do have pancakes, french toast. The menus are there. I'll let you have a couple minutes with that. I'm going to stop talking. No, no, I'm good. It seems a little heavy. I was just looking for something a little bit lighter. I have like sausages or side.

Sauciche. Yeah, sausage. Saucy. All right, I'll let you know. I'll be a record. I'll be ready. I got three young kids. And...

Ages? Ten, nine, and my youngest just turned seven today. Oh, today. Today, I was talking to them this morning. So they're at a trampoline park right now. And this racket, this talking to people, it wants to take me everywhere. And I just keep telling it, no, because I don't, everybody who's older me has kids says, don't wish away the years when your kids are a certain age because eventually they're going to not want you around.

So I've been saying no to people over and I'm not acting like I get invited to the White House. That's not what I'm talking about. Just, you know, actually, I know you know this because I was trying to track you down when it came through and you were all over the place. Like, you already know this. So I say no a lot. And it's mainly so that I can coach my kids

and I can be around them and all the things. Wife's a teacher. And five years ago, we took our kids for the first road trip in a RAV four, three slim car seats. And my wife's from Minnesota. And so when we were driving, I thought it was going to be awesome. awful shadow and it turned out to be the highlight of the entire summer being trapped in a

vehicle with my three kids and my wife at that age oh yeah wow and my wife slowed me down we're gonna drive two hours max and then we're gonna go we're gonna do things and we're gonna get back in we're gonna drive like max five hours in the day yeah and I thought I was gonna hate it and I loved it and so different iterations happened and two years ago I said well we could do it for longer you're the only one studying in her way and my wife's like well what do you mean I'm like your teacher. You got to be back for August to go to school. I said, you take a year, leave. We can go for a year and I'll work from the road because I know all these people. And I was like the last time I interviewed you was in 2022. Since then, I've recorded probably

800 podcasts, right? People all over the world. So I'm like, the problem is, is I've never met them in person. And there's something different than happens when we're doing this. It is. Compared when we're doing this. Yeah, yeah. And so I wanted to play this idea. And so, We put things in motion and she's homeschooling the kids and we're pulling a camper and we're going right across Canada, which we've done. And then we're heading down to Florida along the East Coast. And eventually we're going to hop to a few different international spots. Wow. Thank you. The one is your milk.

All right. Thank you. But along the way, in Newfoundland, we blow the transmission. We then get it fixed. We blow the engine. I put my hands up and I go, I just got to go get in the other vehicle. You know, we had like a gut check moment. Are we going to be done?

I'm like, I'm not done. What are we going to do back home? We got our house rented for the year. Like, what are we going to do? Go back and do what? Yeah. You're taking this back? I'm like, no, we're going.

Like, you told me that, like, so I had this idea of what you might be doing, but then I went, no, dude's got like kids and he just can't just pick up like that and do that unless it's. Yeah, they're with me. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. That's a big undertaking, man. And you know, there's a lot of people who would be very jealous of what you've decided to do without understanding how much guts it takes to do something like this. It takes a lot, man. Like to sit down and go, all right, I've got three young kids. I'm renting my house for a year and I'm going to drive wherever because of this. Not ahead of you. Oh, thank you. But I mean, when I went through Manitoba, we spent 10 days in Manitoba.

like, okay, who do I want to interview for Manitoba? And I'm like, you're on a short list of people I know in Manitoba. I'm like, well, I should check this one and this one and this one. Yeah. So that's when I was like, I can literally come back at 10 at night. And when it did this didn't work, I'm like, blah, well, it wasn't meant to be. Now I'm coming back through. I'm like, who should I try and get a hold of in Winnipeg?

I'm like, there's only one guy. You got Ken Drive's now? Yeah. Interviewed him right before I left. Interviewed him. He didn't want to be interviewed. And he said, come on, Ken. I'm literally two minutes from you because we're staying at Grand Bee.

Right, right. I'm like, I'll drive a little bit more than coffee, so yeah. He didn't want to be interviewed. Ken? Yeah. That's funny. Like once you get him on, you can't shut him up with Ken. He was great.

Yeah, I know. We talked about Churchill, actually, and Port Nelson. So we actually talked about some things, because like my time spent in Manitoba wasn't, I don't know, what, you know, how do you get communities or whatever, right? Or whatever, right? Because Rosalie's running for, actually, has that happened yet? Or is it getting close? It's got to be getting close. Another month.

Another month. Yeah. Right? Like, it was around, when I traveled Manitoba, it only took like three conversations to realize, you have a world-class attraction called Churchill. Yeah. And I'm like, why isn't that open? I don't understand.

And then everybody told me permafrost this and flooding that. Cups to get up there. So then when I got to Ken, oh, you got a guy who knows that background. He's an engineer. Right. So it's just political will. It isn't money because we know they're willing to blow money on anything. Well, I'll tell you, with Manitoba, it's funny because I've been looking into why it hasn't

been able to prosper, why it's a have-not. Like after all these years. Sure. And there's still so many untapped resources that they know we're up there. But for whatever reason, political will, red tape, environment, First Nations, all that stuff, They can't go up there and find it. They've got rare earth coming out the wazoo up there. Yeah.

They've got oil in the southwest, which they could expand greatly. They've got forestry. I mean, all of this stuff, right? Thompson, Manitoba, for example, is a city of maybe, I don't know, 12,000 or 13,000 now. Sure. It's tiny. Back in the late 1970s, when they had the nickel mines going up there, it was 30,000 people living up there.

in Thompson, right? I mean, that is seven hours straight north, nothing between here and there. Like, it's ghost town. You can't drive to Churchill because of the permafrost and the muskag and all of that. The rail line there, when I was working on C.J.O.B. here for chorus radio. And I remember the rail line broke. And they couldn't get any. supplies up there they had to fly everything now this is a town of less than a thousand people right I mean it's not significant on the map in terms of population sure and the port was closed there was nothing up there the only thing up there were the the polar bear tours that was it and that was

winter time which up there is like nine months of the year so I said on the air in front of the entire city because it's CJA ob it's the only talk radio station in town. I said, why don't they just shut that town down, bust the people down here or Brandon or wherever, and consider it a closed case? There is nothing going on up there. And my entire team, I had a sports guy who was a co-host. I had a news guy who was a co-host. I had a female co-host. I had a guy named Jerry sitting behind the glass. He was Jerry, the operator. And they all, oh, how could you say that? That's where people are from.

It's Churchill. I said, it's nothing. It's a ghost town. You held your ground. And they went, I can't believe you would ever say. And I said, why would you react this way? Like, to all of them, every single one.

Go ahead and tell me why you're reacting this way. And this was a precursor. That's the first time, Sean, that I had recognized how people will respond emotionally. Like, really recognized. before COVID, how people will respond emotionally before they think through something logically, right? And then of course that that little instance came to my brain every single time I saw the emotional reaction, fear with COVID and now with this elbows up nonsense and everything in

between, I went, wow, because none of them could explain it to me except for saying, people are from there. I said, so what? You know there's a town called Power View out on lactabonet that closed down because Winnipeg Hydro merged with Manitoba Hydro it was no longer necessary so they closed it it's a ghost town it's an hour and a half from here did you know that well that was years ago I said so what it's the same thing once the town's industry closes down what do you think is going to happen why do those people exist up there a thousand miles from nowhere isolated like this with no roads and now the rail

lines broken. We can't get supplies up there. What's the point? And they couldn't answer me. Not one of them could answer me, right? And thousands and thousands and thousands of people are listening to that and they all called to complain about how mean I was. That was my first step in being fired from chorus, but it's just one of those things. It's a nothing town. But now they're starting to put a little bit of industry up there, some money into it to make it a port again. But it's still years and years away and billions and billions of dollars. And I'll tell you right now, the former owner of this place, his name is Kariakos. His picture is up right there.

Okay. He had some business dealings with some of the First Nations who are involved in the planning and the building of all of this. There's so much griff going on. It's not even funny. There's grip going on everywhere. I know. But this was like, because this project had been so. talked about for years, but nothing was going on.

Finally something happens with it. Finally something happens with it. And these guys got to get their noses into it, right? And Indians coming in here, like sitting here like royalty with their bling and their fancy cars. And I sat here watching them going, holy pot. Like how much are these guys into this for? And they're talking about their big trips to Atlantic City and Vegas coming up on the weekends. And I'm thinking, what about the people who live in you, Res?

What about them? They don't care. They don't care. So that's the deal, man, with that whole thing. And I don't know if it's ever going to happen, because once it does and it's up and running, these guys are out of money. Construction's over.

But they'll be the first guys to complain if you don't hire enough Indians to do the work. You talk to any iron worker up there, and they'll tell you the same freaking thing. When do you want to start this podcast? Anytime you want, man. Well, are we recording right now or no? Sure.

Because I just recorded all that. I'm just making sure if we could just carry on. Yeah, go ahead. Well, I listened to your last show. Which one? You mentioned the Avro Arrow. Oh, yeah. So I sat and stood on that all night.

I've been driving for like, you know, like days, man. days, yeah, it's, I don't know. It's been playing trains and automobiles instead of a train, a boat, you know. You're messing with the wrong guy. I'm like, okay, so actually before I get to the Abro Aeroa comment, you're talking about the first time, you dealt with where people just can't think through logically. Emotions too, like, ripped on it. Yep. The elbows up thing has been bugging me for, well, since it came home.

Right? Since it came out and I watched Mike Myers and I felt emotional pride in what they were doing. Did you? Oh, yeah. Wow. I said back, well, you got to, for me, Mike Myers and all his movies. Yeah, yeah. I get it. It harkens back to a time when he was funny. When they bring up Gordie Howe, that's royalty in Saskatchew where I'm from, you're talking about what hockey's supposed to be about. Yeah. And you blend them together and I went, wow, that was really well done. The commercial, you know.

The commercial. Right. It's, it's, it's, I've been trying to put my finger on it because everybody goes, these elbows up people are a bunch of idiots. Then I go around and I talk to people all across Canada and lots of them, I've been NDP liberal and you, they were already sold on this long ago. The elbows. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah. They didn't need anything. They just needed somebody to stand and their elbows were going up. It's been interesting. And I keep hearing this more. There's more and more conservatives that think Carney is doing a good job. And the first time I heard it was in Winnipeg by a friend of mine, same age, talking about, I think Carney's doing a good job.

And I was like, really? And so then we sat and we went back and forth about it. And I was trying to explain my side. And he was explaining what he saw. And when you talk about going back to the Churchill comment, it's the first time I'm like, what is happening here? Why can't I penetrate whatever hold this elbows up thing has? So this morning, I was going to drive here, it's like,

it's because it's hearkening back to a time we all want. We all had 10 years of liberal rule under Trudeau where we're like, we need a grown-up. Mark Carney is not what I had in mind. I don't think that's what anybody had in mind. The way he rode in and the way we're going to get back to a Canada stand, our elbows up. It's like, we're going to go back to a time where men were men.

That's what that means. It's like it's way deeper and in Canada, what's happening right now? Last time we talked, we were talking about who is the the number one franchise, more iconic, Montreal or Toronto. That's what we got into. I'm like right now, preseason is going on everywhere in the NHL. People can get all mad about that. That's what's happening in Canada. People are starting to focus back on, I'm sure in Winnipeg, it's Connor Alibuck. And what's the saga there, right? They don't go too deep into that one though. I find it interesting. Well, that's because they got to be careful, right? How deep you want to go?

Well, you know, you can say to a Jets fan, I'm not sure if there's any ear right now, but you can say, you know he's American, right? Oh, I know. And you know he won the gold medal last year in the Olympics. And it's the only, like, I mean, the American team was great, but Connor Hallibuck played out of his mind that game. But then you say Trump gave him the Presidential Medal of Honor, and they lose their minds.

because of the trumped arrangement, right? And they all of a sudden, they'll go as far as, and this is what Helibuck has said. He said, my family has been threatened. Yeah. My family, my wife goes grocery shopping, and people walk up to her and say, your husband's a Trump lover.

Are you freaking kidding me? So he's got a full no movement clause in his contract, and he does not want to go to another Canadian team, but no sports writers will tell him. you that. Only lately has that come out. And his trade request happened back in March or April or whatever the season was over last year. It would be, it would be, yeah, it'd be probably April ish. Yeah. And I knew exactly what it was about. Everybody knew what it was, well, I shouldn't say everybody. Us. Me, us sitting here, we know exactly what it is because we've been talking and

following it the entire time. Yeah. You can't, you can't treat people that way and expect them to just be like, oh yeah, Canada's a great place. It doesn't make any sense. But you're, you're, you're absolutely right when you say you know Carney brings back these because he does a very good job he doesn't that's what when Canada was prosperous right bring back the post World War II era well and and so that's why I bring in your Avro Aero comment because like so I'm listening to you on the way here I'm like I wonder what shadow's been talking about I'm like I tuned in like what I was coming through a month ago and I was like oh this is funny me and shadow you're gonna have a great conversation and then

It just didn't line up. So then I was listening in to your latest show, and you bring up the Avro Arrow and where Canada's military was. Because I've interviewed Canadian military all the time, and they talk about how formidable the force we were. And if you talk to anyone outside Canada that remembers roughly the good old day shadow, we were. And then you think of the Avro Arrow. And then you think what the U.S. did. And I go, there's consequences to your actions. So the United States wants to come in and save us and go, how do you?

How did you ever get here? I'm like, you morons, when I was thinking, I'm like, oh my God, the United States created this by trying to control what another country does. And they've done this in tons of other countries, not just Canada, but their neighbor was going to be something to be reckoned with. And they went, we don't like that.

Everybody knows the story of the Avro Arrow. Sure, there's fuzzy details in there, but it was a world leader in aircraft technology. The world leader. Right. And then they come in, they shut it down, and you expect that all of a sudden we're just going to be what? A lap dot? Well, I think that's probably the plant. But now we've morphed into something way weirder. Where me and you sit here and go, we've got to find a way back. But when I do the math, I'm like, oh, be careful. Because, like, there are different things. Like, you think you know what's going to happen, and then it morphs. So, like, with the Avro Arrow comment, I'm like, oh my God, I hadn't thought of it. I hadn't a thought like it.

That was a turning point. Definitely. I hadn't thought about it like that. Yeah. Because the U.S. put their thumb on us very firmly, militarily wise. We don't know exactly what happened. No, we don't. Right?

Like when you say the fuzzy details, I look at that and go, huh, when you try to find the details involved in this. And all you know is Deepen Baker had a meeting with American officials. And next thing you know, it was too expensive to carry on. with the Abreau Aero program. Right. Right. What happened there?

Was he threatened? Was he bribed? Like, Defenbaker, Defenbaker is a, you know, when people think about Defenbaker, they think about this staunch, conservative Western prime minister. Sure.

The first one, I think, from the West, right? And he had a minority, and he did the best that he could. Maybe it was the most that he could. minority government, maybe the U.S. got to some of the other parties. I don't know exactly what it was, but something happened in there. And when that happened, we went from formidable, as you say, I mean, you know, after the war, we had the third or fourth largest Navy in the world, right? The forces were proud, strong. They became peacekeepers. And people talk about they didn't want to

meet Canadians on the battlefield. No. Well, you think you were going to come up against a bunch of Saskatchewan farm kids back then. I played against those kids in hockey. No, you don't want to. There's a reason why they were walking on in the NHL from these little, you know, and what were they doing, throwing square bales and working 12-hour days. And I've heard stories of them, you know, for training. They'd run beside the tractor and just like crazy crap like that.

Yeah. And you think, like, that's, like, we're in the time of just getting power in Saskatchewan back then. Yeah. Like, we were formidable. That's why. And now I've interviewed, the guys I interview served in the 90s. And they're still a part of that. And now what they see happening is something, it's getting further.

We're turning into this, you know, like we, peacekeepers, who's going to take us seriously? No, we've got tampons in the men's rooms. Right. Right. Right. But the U.S. doing what they did has caused this. Because if they, now, on the flip side, they might have gone. But if we let you have the Avroaeroa and all this stuff, you might have, and I don't know what.

Because I go, like, nobody's going to deny the U.S. is the superpower of the world. They're being challenged, for sure. They're the superpower of the world. I'm surprised they didn't want an ally on their northern doorstep that would be not lockstep with them, but as close to it as possible. Yeah, but why have an ally when you can control it all yourself? Yeah, I know. But now look at what they've done. Now look at, you know, now they're worried about China and all.

the things coming in. Well, I keep getting told by Americans, we're coming to save you. And I'm like, I don't want you to, you know what annoys me more than anything is, yeah, you're going to come save us. Like, honestly, I don't need it. I know what country is that bother you? It does. It does. I find that interesting. Like when you talked earlier about this, this sense of pride you had when you saw the Mike Myers, Mark Carney commercial, right? I've lost that. I've lost, you know, the last time, For Canadians, we don't have that outward, like patriotism, like the Americans do, right? If you look around here, just look out the window. Excuse me.

How many Canadian flags do you see flying? In Winnipeg? No, right here, right now. Like, look, this is probably the main drag of Winnipeg here, the west end of the main drag of Winnipeg. There should be Canadian flags. Everywhere, sure. Nothing, right? in the states, if you are looking at this very same landscape, you would probably see a dozen,

maybe more. It's funny, so I'm married to an American, right? So I had this thought process like two years ago coming back from where we were, Minnesota, Wisconsin, and I started counting American flags. And I remember counting like a hundred and change, thinking, I'll be very curious to see how many Canadian flags I see. And we came through Manitoba. Actually, maybe it was last summer now to think about it.

I counted 100 Canadian flags before I got to Winnipeg. It was actually shocking to me how many Canadian flags were out. But you're in the middle of the elbows up phase too, right? Sure. So, you know. I mean, once again, I remember being just distressed beyond belief and like, where is it the patriotism? Then the convoy happened. Then they got it said it was a hate symbol.

Now it's been changed into what they wanted to be, right? Now I look at it. I'm like, oh, fuck. Yeah. Well, that's medium. manipulation right there but if you look at like for me personally the last time when was the last time I felt like some surge of Canadian pride I think it had to do was there a Canada Cup sometime in 2010 2011 hockey tournament well there was the world no there was Olympics in 2010 did we win that Cindy Crosby scored the goal

right okay so that's the last time I remember watching that game with my girlfriend Tracy at the time And I remember like almost weeping that we won it. Yeah. Right. And we beat the big bad Americans and all the things. But my thing is like I felt this surge of national pride in that moment. Sure.

Like almost cried. And it's a hockey game. Right. And that's the last time I felt like Canada, if you asked me like before all this started. And when Trudeau came up with that comment about Canada is going to be the world's first post-national. I asked the question at that point and the question was, what is Canada's identity anyway? If you ask in Newfoundlander, you'll get one answer. If you ask an Ontario, Quebec or definitely Albertan, you'll get completely different answers every single time.

And I said, I think I even did a poll on this on social media, I said, if you take out Tim Hortons at the time, before they call it Sing Hortons now, right? If you take out Tim Horton's and hockey, what is Canada's national identity? You know what I got back? Beaver's, Bears, that. Gordy Howe. Hockey. Right. This is why I say the liberal, what they did with Mike Myers and Gordy Howe.

Yeah. Although they don't say Gordy Howe. Maybe they do. I can't remember now. It's so clever. Because actually, I think there is, me and you are having the same discussion four years ago what what unites a 28 year old in Toronto to a 28 year old living on the farm there's a lot a lot there that doesn't align at all but the identity of Canadians is like we came

into one of the most unhospitable parts of the world and transformed it into a beacon of like freedom and then since then shadow i'm not going to disagree with you i don't i don't when i say that i'm offended by an American telling me they're coming to save me it's not because I'm talking about Canada so I don't I'm not a victim I think we need to shed this victim but in Canada everywhere I go it's like oh for me the double-edged sword though man like when we like I was I was yeah I go ahead go ahead finish no no no I'm curious double-edged sword because we we were victims right so here we are with this this little brother of the United States were victims

oh go you know Canada sure but at the same time There's people who get this swell of what I would call, I don't know, made up pride when we say we're not Americans. It's the only thing that we identify with. That's it. We're not Americans. Why? And that doesn't have anything to do with Trump. Like that goes pre-Trump, way pre-Trump.

At least we're not Americans. Big, bad, ugly Americans. But we love you. Right? I mean, I'm an NFL. Buffalo Bills. How many people in Toronto and Hamilton cross the border every freaking weekend when the bills are in town? Half the crowd is from Toronto or Hamilton. Same in Seattle. I guess I don't mean it in the sense that I'm against

Americans. I'm not against them doing like taking care of their shit, right? Standing up for what they believe in, protecting their land. I'm not against that. No matter what they do for us, it's always, always gonna come back to us and we have to take care of our stuff. And if we don't, then somebody's going to come in and roll the roost for the rest of time and we're always going, oh, poor us. Donald Trump isn't coming into wherever you're at and fixing your town, your city, your politics. No. That isn't even what happens. Daniel Smith getting elected in Alberta. It's not like she flicked the light switch and everything changed. People still have to walk into work and do the right thing. They've got to deal with their marriage,

their family, if they go to church, their church, their community, their politics, they still have to be engaged, they still have to take care of their strap, crap, they still have to treat people nice and then stand firm when something's going wrong. That's what I mean by that. It's like, I think in COVID, I thought we're going to have this night and shining armor come busting through the door and everything can go back to just peachy clean and we're all fine. That has been pulled for me. That doesn't exist.

No one politician, Donald Trump, Daniel Smith, Pierre Poliath, Maxine Bernier, take your pick. They can signal a change in direction the way the country is going. But that's just when the battle starts. You still have to go into work the next day and find a way to lightly say, I'm not doing that. That's ridiculous. And then deal with the politics of you could be fired, you could be ostracized from all your coworkers, etc. And you have a choice of whether you're going to stand to that, move to a new job. something?

How are your hobbies? I would take some more. You need to speak into the microphone. That's right. So that we can get the ambiance of the place. Well, we're getting a rain. Thank you, no problem. It's one of the lovely things.

You should leave that in. I am. It's one of the lovely things about traveling on the road of the podcast. I've left all of it in. So people can get a feel of what I'm doing. I'm just driven for however many hours. You're black copy, right? Yeah.

That's what I mean. Yeah. So, yeah, we still have to go and do our stuff. We still have to go and live our lives. But I think about the country, getting back to this post-national state thing. Sure. We grew up with this illusion that Canada was this free country. I mean, the words are in our national anthem, true north, strong, and free.

And then COVID came, and it wrecked everything for me. I mean, Trudeau getting elected was, to me, like, when that first happened, I went, oh, no, we're in trouble. I mean, this kid's a boy. He's a boy. He's not even a boy. He's whatever he is. I mean, he was not ready for that job, and the conservatives tried that. They were just not ready.

It didn't work because his hair took over and his looks took over. And the liberal women just aided up. I mean, dude said he loved China's communist system. in front of a room full of women. Back then, the media wasn't bought and paid for. And they reported on that quite negatively. And it didn't matter. And so I thought, uh-oh, Canada's taking a big turn.

It didn't really matter so much to me. I thought, ah, four years, he'll be none. People see the light. Yeah, then 2019. Yeah. Then COVID came. Well, he got the minority in the election in 2019, and then COVID came.

And that was devastating from my idea of what this country is. And the whole time, Sean, at the beginning of it, I remember talking to a friend of mine. Her name was Susan. She's got three daughters. And they were all over the planet, like athletes. One was in Italy. One was in Spain. One was in the United States.

And they were all competing in volleyball or swimming or whatever. She goes, oh, my God, people are dying in the streets of Italy. I said, what? What are you even talking about? Dying in the studio. They're just dying. They're keeling over and dying. So that initial wave of fear came through.

And then two and a half months later, I remember just driving down here. And on the radio, they said they were canceling the rest of the NHL season. Yeah. And when that happened, I knew shit was real. Like, what are you talking about right now? like you I had never seen anything like that before and once that happened to me it was like game on man they're gonna do everything everything like everything's on the table and the more lockdowns six feet masks all that stuff the more that happened the more the programming

in my mind from the entire life I lived in Canada said they'll never do that they can't do that there's no way that's against the law somehow I didn't know at that point that they could even do this stuff. And then they kept doing it. And so eventually, you start to think, I've got to look into this man. Like, how are they doing this? And what I found was startling. The laws in the Constitution of this country allowed them to do whatever they wanted to do

is based upon wordplay in the law and in the Constitution. It says us, not them. It says I, not we. Just little nuances in the wording of things that allowed politicians, who are basically all lawyers, surrounded by teams of lawyers, it allowed them to do whatever the hell they wanted to do. And then the lying and the censorship and all of that stuff that came in, and I went, wow, it's a whole new ballgame.

And my trust in institutional Canada at that point, everything from doctors, police, the legal system, politicians for sure. Everything went out the window, out the window. And when you lose your institutional faith in your own country, what's left? A flag, which they desecrated too. In 2022, when the Freedom Convoy went through Ottawa. They started calling it a symbol of hate. Because people who believed in their freedoms, their God-given freedoms, stood up and said,

you're not doing this to us anymore. And they used the flag as a symbol of freedom. And the other side used it as a symbol of hate. And my heart sank. I couldn't believe it. I'm getting emotional right now, just talking about it. And that's when I knew Canada was over. And what was yet to come?

Wow. Like, what are they going to do now? When you give these, even if there was no agenda 2030, even if there was, you know, it was just a free-for-all. of this stage, which it's not. What would politicians do? What would they do? Knowing they have that kind of power over you. They love that. So what can we do next? How can we fuck with them some more? Right? How can I get a little bit of money out of this? Because once you're in power, you want to stay in power. Power is very, very attractive to people, right? Especially

megalomaniacs and narcissists like that. So they don't ever want to give it up and they want to expand it even more. So what are they going to do next? We're going to shut down some doctors. We're going to sue them. We're going to take a guy who said that a man can't be a woman in British Columbia. And we're going to find him $750,000. Yeah, Barry.

So when you look at all of this and you go, all right, so that's what the government's going to do. And they're going to institute their own idea, their ideology, into all the institutions, then these people feel bulletproof, invulnerable. They can do whatever they want to do, right? And you get all these doctors, all of these nurses, lawyers, completely censured, erased from existence because this left-wing ideologue says that climate change is real, or a man can be a woman. girls as young as five years old can have sex change operations or gender affirming care or whatever they decide to call it or immigration we should allow five million South Asians into our country inside of three years let's just see what happens are you freaking kidding me right now

like what logical person would ever do that doesn't make any sense so when you see all of this happened you go you know the country's fallen you still have that long ago pride and you you wish for a day that it would come back somehow maybe we can get back to normal in this country but it's gone too far and and because of that my pride has completely vanished in this country right so when you say that carney is is doing what he can to bring back that feeling even as he works on agenda 2030 you're absolutely correct I mean that's a brilliant observation I think you know and I never thought of it that way before. It's people wanting what was and it's never coming back. But they think Mark

Carney is the guy that can deliver it because he did a commercial with Mike Myers and then he went and skated kind of with the Edmonton Oilers. Correct. Like the guy can't skate. Did you see that? He can't skate. He's an ankle bender. Well he was a third string goalie. Yeah, he never played a game. I don't even know if he dressed. He played division one hockey. Harvard right. And he suited up. for one game where he actually got time. I'm not saying he didn't back up some games. And he pitched a shutout and they joke about it because I forget what it was.

Eight minutes? It wasn't long. It wasn't long. Here's something from my oiler fans back out east because here's what I've been thinking. I'm like, how do you talk to people who can, like, the people, like, where I come from is like, I can tell you what I used to be able. to I can't anymore, but I used to be able to tell you what Connor McDavid did last night, how many shots, this, I watched the game, just everything.

Yeah, me too, I'm the same. Okay. So I'm like, okay, in order to speak, I already know the population has the ability to handle what we're talking about. I already know what they do. Now, now, in fairness, you gotta speak analogies to their language. And I'm like, okay, my only other fans. I'm thinking about putting this out on X.

I've been trying to think through the strategy of it. Maybe I shouldn't be putting it out on. a podcast, but I'll throw it by you because you can either laugh at me or go, that might actually work. It's the start of the hockey season. I want to put it a fall. Who's the worst GM in the last 20 years for David Snorler? I already know who it is.

It's Peter Shirelli. I mean, there might be some close seconds, but it's Peter Shirelli. Who is the best man at Mark Kearney's wedding? Was it Peter Shirelli? It was Peter Shirelli. So you have a third string goalie. When I said we needed Steve Eisenman to come be the prime minister of Canada, because I just like his demeanor how he deals with stupidity and he doesn't react.

I didn't mean we needed any hockey player, a third stringer from Harvard, whose best friend, obviously, or at least his best man, was Peter Shirelli. The worst GM in Edmonton Oilers. Who couldn't find his way out of a white paper bag and made some of the worst deals ever. And I'm like, I don't know if that'll lock out, hammer out something for some hockey fans. I may draw some in and be like, oh, that kind of makes sense. because what he did to Canada

was he invoked something that I didn't even realize was sitting to me. I used to say the most Canadian I ever felt was the one you talked about. Sidney Crosby scoring that goal, so proud to be a Canadian. The only other time,

which trumps it a thousand times, was riding in the Freedom Convoy. That memory is just like, I cannot believe a million Canadians didn't ride in that thing. But I know lives and I know all the things. So then I go to,

I can't believe, CBC and then you go down all the Ravails and you know why they're going there But if they wanted their ratings, if they truly did, all they had to do is fill in that. So then I fast forward and I go, okay, 9-11, I had a guest tell me, his red pill

moment was the way he felt after 9-11, and I asked, what do you mean? He's like, I was ready to kill him. If they told me this is where you're going, that's the national pride or vote. And then he went, whoa, I got to think about that for a bit. Why did I think that way? That's the pride.

Kearney, after so many years of Trudeau, found a way to do with Mike Myers and elbows up. Wow. And I'm like, okay. So we have to speak through what Canadians know. And we make fun of it all the time. We do. It's hockey. It's beavers.

It's moose. It's all the things. But the truth of the matter is the hockey community is right now. Kids are at trios. Kids are in the rink. Hockey's in our blood. Go to any small town. They go to hockey rink.

Yeah. There were hell in the 1960s in Saskatchew, at least. I'm sure it was elsewhere. There was a program put in place to give out rinks to all the communities to help them get off of, you know. Everywhere. Right. Yeah, that, you know, that was probably, and then he recently, Carney was spotted having dinner or lunch with Brian Adams.

So there's another way. Oh, yeah. We're going to go to music. We're going to go back to all these times. And the crazy thing is, and I look at it and I go, Brian Adam, look the hell. And then they'll have some fucking song. It'll be like, oh my God. But you get people coming out and saying, okay, so Mike Myers hasn't lived in Canada since when 1990.

It doesn't matter. I know, but that's the argument against it. So when you ask, how do we fight back against this? Mastformation, right? Matthias Desmond, the psychologist from Belgium. Yes. So, you know, and this is something I talked about the other night. How do we get through this?

How do we break an emotional. hypnosis because that's what this is. People aren't thinking clearly. They're not thinking. Well, it's everything we're talking about, that emotional response where you can't, you're trying to undo it. It's like, why do I feel this? But, you know, he's standing up for Canadian values and you're like, really by making all of our lives way worse? Way worse. Like, that's better? Here's the guy who ran on, and Pollyov will say this all the time and my feelings on him, especially after this past weekend with that video. His wife released, did you see that?

Yes, I did. Oh my God. What are you doing? But he's saying all he can think of to try and break the spell, right? His support has got down, what, 10% in the past 18 months? Because conservatives, as you say, think that Carney's doing a good job. Where's the deal with our largest trading partner? How many Canadians have no idea what we talked about earlier with the Abreau arrow?

to current how many Canadians think that we can actually give them a fight? None. Oh no I think that there are because they're so uneducated. No but the poll the polling would suggest that isn't true because they say we're all for standing up to the United States and then they go what if it impacts you and the the the support drops immediately so it's it's this virtue signaling I'm talking about. Yeah yeah so how do we break it I mean I mean, this whole, maybe, and you know what, maybe they did it themselves. This is interesting because in the last few days, right,

Carney got asked by the New York Times, have you prepared for a U.S. military-style invasion, right? And so the left-wing media up here just ran crazy. Oh, yeah. Right? And I went, oh, they're doing it to themselves. Because most people up here know, even as much as they hate Donald Trump, they know he's never going to invade.

I mean, I personally wish he would. It wouldn't be much of an invasion, really. Well, I mean, in some places they get celebrated in. They'd just be like, come on in, boys. I think they would anywhere outside of a large city. And even in the places like that, who's going to go out and do anything about it? Like Antifa? What are they going to go wave their flags and get rolled over by tanks?

That would be funny. But I think if they came over rural borders, You know, I mean, we could talk about that whole thing, too, because that's hilarious. But they did it to themselves by sitting there talking about how serious a threat this could be and how prudent it was for Mark Carney to prepare for such an eventuality. And I'm going, are you freaking kidding me? How do you prepare for an American invasion in the first place? I mean, if they were serious about coming across the Canadian border, full-on guns blazing,

what do you prepare? What do you think you're going to do against them? There's nothing, right? There's no preparation for that. It's like, what are you getting your white flag out of the closet? But once again, we look at the practicality of it. Yeah. It's the, as long as Kearney has a boogeyman

and everything fits into the narrative of the boogeyman, he is more popular than he's ever been. Me and you said that and we're like, oh, this has got to be, what are we talking about here? I think they went too far, Sean. You think they went too far? I think with this. After Trump named it Lake America? Yeah, I think they went too far.

After he just took Greenland? They don't get Trump either. I mean, they just, they think he's serious with everything he says. And the media, right? And, you know, everything he says is absolutely insane. I mean, every, every pendant. If you've ever worked around a group of men, we tease each other, right? Yeah.

And the guy who reacts, you tease him more. And one of the two things happens. Jordan Peterson's talked about this lots. One of the two things happens. They either ship up and they realize that not everything's as serious as it looks and you've got to learn how to take a little joke. Or they aren't working with you anymore. And right now we have a guy who is doing it to the entire Canadian population over and over again.

Lake America, I almost fell off my chair laughing. Oh, me too. But then the reaction. So then what does try to do it? Well, Trump's got to follow it up with some more. Well, the politicians are, you know, and this is the other thing that I find kind of amusing, too, right? Like, you got the David Eby's and Wab canoe here. Like, I mean, what an idiot, you know?

You know, no boozma, no Coosma, he said, stupid. And then Doug Ford and the Quebec Premier, forget her name, Prichette, I think. And New Brunswick, Susan Holt saying, I'm going to just suspend hunting and fishing licenses to Americans. Like, what are you guys? Are you insane? Like, are you all insane? Why can't you just stand up there and go, all right, whatever. I mean.

But this is why I say I wanted Steve Eisenberg. Because that's what he would do. Yeah. My point being that all of these people out there, and these politicians know they're going to make political hay with this, right? But the thing is, all of the people out there who say, you can never believe a politician, they're all liars, blah, blah, blah, blah, somehow will now look at that very same premier they accused

to be an ass hat two days ago and go, what a great point he just made, without even realizing their own hypocrisy. Like, just stop and think for a second. But, you know, just like with COVID and I find this kind of a sad thing, we're products of our environment, right? So yeah, we're surrounded by media, social media,

left-wing corporate media, whether it's radio, television, whatever. we hear that, billboards, but it's also our own communities, right? So when you say you work with a group of guys and one guy acts like a dick and he's either going to get schooled or you're not working with him again. So in every group there's going to be a mouthy leader all the time, right? Self-imposed leader. And that guy generally speaks for the group. And if that guy happens to be a dick, which in most cases he is, because he's imposed himself as the leader of the group, then you're screwed.

Right? So let's say you've got to block, you know, like I live on a street, there's 30 houses on it, there's 12 guys who get together Sunday afternoons and drink beer in the garage. Sure. And they're going to talk about Donald Trump. Well, one guy, he's going to go off about what an asshole Donald Trump is and I kick him in the ass if I can freaking meet him. I'd never shake his hand. All of that stuff, right? So this guy's going to go off.

And the other guys, wanting to be a part of the group and thinking this guy is the guy that makes that decision, they'll all echo the same thing this guy says. Next thing you know, you got a bunch of guys who hate Donald Trump without even realizing it. So I agree with you.

But I'm a product of this situation as well as anyone. And I am one of the 11. You normally just talk to people and people will find it funny because I do all these interviews. But, you know, out in the everyday world, if you come and oppose on my family, I got something to say. The rest of the time, I'm like, you know, I hate Donald Trump, go hate Donald Trump. So across Canada, I've talked to people all over the place. And then I hit Newfoundland, and we had the vehicle and everything going on, and then the ferry didn't run.

And something, I swear, just kind of like little shift. I don't know if something snapped or what. But I had a guy who was sitting around with this group of guys. Not drinking beer, just a group of guys at a transmission shop. And Donald Trump came up. And normally I'm the passive guy. Everybody knows it. Everybody wishes I pushed harder on every guest that ever came on.

They wish I'd just go into the corners and beat the crap out of them. It just isn't how I'm wired. I want to let them. I want to ask questions. I want to hear what they think. And then I want to go back and stew on it and whatever. So I'm sitting listening to this guy and go, well, the midterms are coming and all this stuff. And I finally just had enough.

And I just started talking. And I was just looking at him dead in the eye. And I'm like, you keep talking about Donald Trump. I haven't heard you talk about Mark Carney once yet. When are we going to talk about Mark Carney? When are we going to talk about the liberals? When are we going to talk about our country? And not with the U.S. and Donald Trump talking about.

When are we going to talk about us? And it's funny because the entire mood of the conversation changed. He left because all of a sudden a busy day ahead. But the entire conversation changed. And if I'm changing, Canadians are about to change. I'm not saying every last one of us because it's uncomfortable. I was uncomfortable, but I'm like, I just can't sit here and be, I'm tired of it. I'm tired of this rhetoric.

I'm tired of watching E.B. get on. Like how is that the BC leader? British Columbians who are listening to this, I know you're frustrated. How are you allowing that? How are we allowing, you know, I sat and talked to a bunch of Newfoundlanders, the Churchill deal. I'm not going to sit here and act like I'm an expert. But when I look at that, Newfoundlanders, you own everything there. And you're going to let a different province dictate what's going on.

But when I listen to that deal, it sounds like Carney had his finger on there and a thumb on there. It's like, well, if you don't start changing the conversation and start demanding some things, but then you're right, Chattel, we're going to get what we're going to get. Yeah. Yeah. That's a hydro deal, right? Yeah. So I'm curious about that because this is a province that's powered by hydro. And so if you want to talk about northern Manitoba, the big thing in Manitoba for years in the 2010s was this Bipole 3 project,

which is a hydro line that was coming from well up north down to southern Manitoba to provide extra hydropower just in case. And they couldn't get the path right because of negotiations with First Nations and whatnot. It took 10 years and cost billions and billions of dollars. But my point is when Mark Carney goes on and he starts talking about providing clean energy, and then he brings up the hydro thing in Newfoundland,

I go, exactly how are you providing clean energy to the world with a hydro project, right? Nobody stops to think that through. A Rosalie drives now. A hydro project. I'm Rosalie. Hang on a second. Let's get this.

Rosalie, I'm sitting with Sean Newman having a discussion right now. You're on the Sean Newman podcast, Rosalie. You're on the Sean Newman podcast right now. Hey, Canada! Can I call you back? Important. Okay. Okay, bye.

Okay, bye. She's great. Hydro power can only be transmitted through hydro lines. That's all there is to it, right? By pole three, they had to build this big huge, you know, 800 to a thousand mile project that came all the way down south. Again, it took years. So if they're building this project in Newfoundland, what are they going to do with the energy? Well, if you...

We've got enough energy, Mark Carney, says, to light up the city of Toronto for 28 years or whatever it was. Sure. Yeah, whatever the numbers are you getting them that? Actually, when I sat and talked to Chess Crosby, the former interim, former leader of the opposition, hope I'm saying that right? Yeah, conservative guy, Newfoundland? He said their customers the United States, right, like for their project. Sure. Like, he's like, the demand for electricity isn't going away. It's only going up.

So, like, once again, I look at it and I go, Mark Carney's going to say what Mark Carney wants to say. He's going to say what all politicians always say. Oh, we got this great. And you're like, let's get down to the brass tax of it. Are you helping or hindering the people that it should serve? If you're hindering, which they are, and it makes no sense. And Newfoundlanders should be upset by that.

Look, they can't get. the power. Now, the reason that another province is dictating this is because the line has to go through Quebec to get to the United States, if that's the case. Sure. Right? That's why. Sure. And so it's going to take, to get from Newfoundland, I'm not exactly sure where the project is. It's Labrador. It's Labrador. Okay, so it's going to come through. Once again, I'm not, I'm, listen, I'm not an expert on this. I just go, if I'm in a deal and you're going to dictate to me what I own, I just get up and walk away from the table. You're getting majority of the energy anyways.

The deal's set to expire in 2041, if I remember correctly. And I go, at some point, you're going to call me back to the table and offer me a better deal. And you're going to go, oh, you're just going to throw away the deal? Yeah, I'm pretty, everything we're talking about, I'm pretty upset right now. You think you can just walk over me because you think you're the only way. I'm going to bring in the smartest people I can figure out the problem. We got, what, 15 years to fix it? I'm banking on the 15 years, I can figure out what to do with it.

You're talking about USMCA? I'm talking about Churchill, Newfoundland. I mean, I'm curious. 15 years. I mean, they might get it done by that if they'd ever do. I'm curious your thoughts in Alberta. Like we're what, 27th as I record this. So we're a few, you know, we're under a month away from Alberta referendum.

You're talking about independence. I'm curious your thoughts on this. I thought that you would get to. to ask me this and well I'm curious you're a guy that you know we don't talk up you know I'm thinking like over the course of four years I'm like we probably talked a handful of times I go I'm curious with shadow things hmm because listen there are things I'm like dead said on there's other things around like it's it's the it's the abroeroero you just like I can't think through certain steps so when people ask me about Alberta independence

I go, well, first off, this is a vote to see if we can have a vote. Because they already circumvented the amount of signatures required, which they got, and now they found a way to push it further out. So yes, you should vote for a referendum. I mean, enough people sign the bloody thing. Let's honor them and let's get it to a referendum. But that's, I mean, this is, you know, your thoughts because you're a guy who has, I respect your opinion is what I'm trying to blur it out.

Thanks. Yeah. I lived in Alberta five years in my life. and it was in Calgary working at different radio stations and the the opinion I take away from Alberta and I've been there I mean I got so many friends in Alberta and so I've spent a lot of time in Alberta I totally understand Alberta except for Edmonton I don't get Edmonton but the rest of Alberta and maybe even Calgary at this point too now it seems kind of weird there didn't some NDP just yeah like wild

Alberta's hardcore, I always thought it was hardcore. Like the people there, you know, you used to hear about these secret enclaves of white supremacists who lived in the hills, you know. And I never saw a group like that ever, but you'd hear about them. You'd hear the tale, folk war. Yeah, it's the folklore. So there's hillbillies. There's, there's, but these people were individualists. Alberta's always been very proud, right?

Hard working, conservative values. And so, and I've been hearing about this, Sean, for years. I'm not sure how old you are, but... I just turned 40 in May. Just, okay, I'm 61. So I remember in the 70s my dad walking around with his hat on. And I looked at the hat, I'm like 13 or 14.

And I looked at the hat and I said, what does that say? It was the Republic of Western Canada, 1978, whatever. And I said, Dad, what's this? He goes, we're going to separate. Now, at that point, Manitoba still had kind of the same attitude that Alberta had, not anymore because Winnipeg has changed a lot. But back then it did. So I thought, huh, I wonder how much support that has.

That's stuck in my brain ever since then. What? You're going to separate Canada? Like, what? And then living out there, I went, yeah, this is different. The first time I went out there to live was 1995. And you don't know what kind of culture shock you're going to get moving from place to place to place in the country, right? And you're experiencing it right now.

It's accelerated, but you're getting it just from travel. But when you live and you have to absorb a place, like in radio, you have to live in a place and absorb a place and understand a place before you can speak to the people. You have to get it. You have to be able to speak to them on their terms. That's a localized thing, right? And back then local meant everything. Not anymore, but back then it did. Local, local, local was the big thing about radio. So you try to gain that perspective. You try to see things through the way. their lens and what I got in Calgary was we're very business oriented here, Calgary especially, right? A lot of business guys, a lot of white collars, but all cowboy hats, even the transplants

from Toronto who came to work at oil head offices in Calgary, they were all that way too. They took that attitude on very quickly. So separation was still a thing back in 95. It was kind of an undercurrent of the culture. And so when this finally, finally happened in the last couple of years where people were actually able after all of this time to bring this forward and make it a public issue, and I saw the first poll that came out and so 20, 25%, the favored independence, I went, what? Is that a suppression poll? Especially with the way this country has been going for the past five years? Are you freaking kidding me? Like I thought, support for separation would have been through the roof.

But then you look at separation, the idea of it, versus the reality of it, and that's when things start to fall apart. And I don't know, Sean, what kind of result the vote is going to have, but if the polls are right, it's going to be 25 or 30% of people who favor independence. And I think it's because that, the separation people, the independence people have done such a terrible job of getting the word out. And I don't mean that to be disparaging at all. I mean, people like Jeff Rath and Keith Wilson, these guys have been going hard at it, right? And I thought, wow, you know, there's a place

for both of these guys and their personalities in this movement. Jeff, and they're both lawyers so you can respect them. Jeff is feisty, he's vivacious, he's willing to say whatever. Keith is more of a staid kind of a, you know what? You know, this is why. But they haven't really been able to convince, I think, the masses. And maybe I'm wrong about this. I don't know. Maybe it's going to turn out different because these polls are all bullshit.

I don't know. I mean, I don't trust polls anymore at all, ever. I can't. Like, they're all bought and paid for by the government. If you look at who funds Ipsos and Angus Reed and all of this. So it would make sense that they're going to favor. the federalist side of this but I just don't know that they've been able to reach and convince enough people that it's the right thing to do I personally think it is

and then I thought you know this this contingent that went down to the United States and Rath talked a little bit about this on my show we went down to the United States and I remember I brought it up to him whenever it was last year and he looked surprised when I brought it up and I said why are you surprised it's public knowledge he goes I didn't I didn't know. I said, yeah, I just saw it on X, man, like two days ago. It's out there, right? Well, I mean, we just met with them. And so they've met with, I think it's Bissent's team a couple of times, right, to talk about getting support, maybe alone to kick off this new country of Alberta, sovereign state of Alberta, whatever it's going to be called.

So when you think about all of that, you go, maybe the United States has got a bigger hand in this. And we've talked about regime changes that the United States has been responsible for. You go back to the Abroueroero. I started to think maybe the CIA is involved in this, and maybe they're going to somehow swing the vote. Depending on which faction is in,

control of this whole thing because I sense and I can't tell you this for sure but everything that I've read everything that I've absorbed every everybody I've talked to I sense huge chaos yet to come before 2030 before 2030 yeah and people you know most people they look at a map of Canada and they see what they've always seen without even realizing how borders have changed over the last hundred years. Manitoba, when it first became a province in 1870, it was known as the postage stamp province because it was this little square province that was completely separated from upper and lower Canada, right? And only in, I think, 1905 or 1910, Manitoba went through three or four

different boundary changes, right? Then it took the bottom part, like in the second phase of growth, the bottom part of Manitoba, and then finally, I think when the Saskatchewan and Alist, Alberta came in, 1905, they added the upper part with the attachment to Thunder Bay. But it's been through a lot of changes and why won't it go through more? I will. You know, I mean, who's to say what the border of British Columbia and Alberta is? And when you look closely at a map, even the border of Saskatchewan, Manitoba, you don't see it from a big, huge perspective when you're looking at the entire country, but zero in on

that border. And look how it looks. It's zigzag. Zigzag, right? It's not a straight line. It's a zigzag. What? Yeah. Flim Flan attaches to Creighton in Saskatchewan way up north. Right? This is considered one town with a population of maybe 10 or 15,000. Creighton is the town. But Flin Flan attaches to it just like Transgona attaches to Winnipeg. It's the same city. It's the same place. It's the same place. It's just different municipal lines or different crops. In Newfoundland, I learned they had a vote because they're, you know, joined in, what, 49? Yeah. And they had a vote on whether to join the estates in Canada.

Yeah. I don't know why they picked Canada. Well, I'm sure lots of them think that now. Right? The most transgender flags I've seen in all of Canada. In Newfoundland? Newfoundland, everywhere. That surprises me.

Cop stations with. Rainbow Crosswalks, everything. So here's the interesting thing about that. Now, in fairness, I'm probably, nah, you know what? I was going to say at St. John's, I went to a little arts store in the middle of nowhere. We're talking like a Napa auto parts, but like not Napa.

We're talking some family, business, whatever. Walk in, two old boys, transgender flight. What? It's almost like, you want to talk about COVID things. I'm like, what kind? Like, are they allies or something? I don't know.

I don't know. Two old boys. Well, maybe they're gay guys. I mean, but the thing is, there's a lot of gay people who oppose this stuff. Yes, there is. Because of the, what is it, the queer, whatever, and then there's the T, the trans, which is a fetish thing. I mean, let's be honest, it's a fetish. That's what it's always been. That's what it still is.

But for whatever reason, it's part of the demoralization process. Let's go back to Alberta for a second. Yes, let's go back. You were talking about, you look at it, and you're like, see, CIA. Yeah, yeah. regimes, all that. Yeah. So I think like Daniel Smith's been down there a lot, bargaining, making deals, talking to American officials. Now I don't know exactly who she's spoken to. Obviously none of us do or what she's talked about, but it seems to me that there's more going on with Alberta than with any other province. Daniel Smith is not spoken badly about Donald Trump, the same

way David Eby has, the same way Wab Canoe has, the same way Doug Ford has, or Friette in Quebec or any of the Atlantic provinces. Why? Why? Is it because she's conservative? Doug Ford's supposedly conservative. Doug Ford runs the largest province in the country. that creates the biggest GDP. Why on earth would he want to antagonize Donald Trump? Why? Why? He gets Lake America.

Right? He gets, all right, let's shut this fat pig up. Trump says, I'm going to call it Lake America. He knows what he's doing. You see, there's so many people out there who think he's an idiot. He's not, right? He's going to do what he does because he thinks he cares. Okay.

So let's go back. the CIA thing. Well, wait a minute, wait a minute. So what's Smith been doing? Who's she been talking to down there? What's the deal? Why haven't Scott Moe, too? Why hasn't Scott Moe said anything?

Like, incredibly derogatory about Donald Trump? Potash? Uranium? What? Danielle Smith, oil and gas. Right? Okay, so these are massive exports that go down to the United States. They're never going to allow the federal government.

to use them as a bargaining chip in this trade war, quote unquote. But what do they want? Are they looking to join the United States? Are they talking about, or to some secretive society down there, maybe the CIA, about joining the United States? That's a wild thought. You know, I mean, stranger things have happened. you don't hear any negative talk about Donald Trump coming out of either one of those two

premiers. Every other one does, but not those two. Now, Scott Mo's weird because he went to, he went to China with Mark Carney and sat next to him. Yeah, well, everybody remembers the famous New World Order. In his face when that was. Yeah, right? I mean, he was shocked. And yet, in the last month, I think he's decided to put some kind of attacks on U.S. Boots, whatever it was. I forget. I mean, it's been a small. thing. It's not like a massive thing, but these are the only two provinces that didn't take U.S. booze off the shelves either. So there's something going on with Saskatchewan in Alberta. I can't tell you what it is. I don't know. I'm only speculating. It's fun to speculate.

It is. Especially with all this craziness going to. Well, if I was going to agree with the elbows up crowd on anything, on Donald Trump, is he helped Mark Tarrant get elected. Oh yeah. And when you think about that, we go, okay, so Donald Trump isn't a dumb guy, right? He's not a dumb guy. So you think he did it intentionally? Okay, we talk about Russian collusion, Chinese collusion,

all these major powers and how they're infiltrating our country, correct? Everybody knows, oh, you turn on the news, is going to be talking about, actually I just saw it when I'm sitting here before you got here. Russia, everything in Russia, and how they're infiltrating and affecting everything in Canada. China, they've infiltrated our MPs and everything else, okay? Donald Trump talks about Canada becoming the 51st state. We all lose our collective minds. Yeah, yeah.

All he had to do was retract that, but maybe I'm wrong, but Pierre Poliab is our next prime minister. I don't think there was enough there yet, but instead he doubled, maybe even tripled down, and then there was memes, there was all these things. And Carney took that entire election, positioned it, and everybody galvanized behind Mark Carney. Okay, that's an interesting point.

And I look at that and I go, okay, we're going to give Donald Trump so smart. He's so brilliant. Okay. That he's the reason of, because everybody knew in Alberta. I knew sitting there. If Mark Carney, the liberals win tomorrow morning when the election has done, Alberta separatism is going to go to the moon. Because we saw it in, forgive me, folks, it must be 20, it must be 2021.

Wex it would be. became a huge thing for like a very brief glimpse. It was like lightning in a bottle for probably longer and I'm giving it credit but probably like two weeks it felt like holy crap and then it died out. So everybody knew in my circles the circles we're talking to. If Mark Carney wins, minority majority it doesn't matter. If he wins, Alberta separatism is going to the moon and back. So Donald Trump, if he's not a dumb guy, knows this. And so what does he do? He just keeps poking. And Carney positions it as Donald Trump's a bad guy.

He just keeps poking. And then the conservatives went from being, you know, a rocket ship. We're taking this in a majority, super majority. Everything's going to, to losing the election. And now is there things that were, you know, you can skeptical on ballot stuffing and different things? Sure. You mean in Canada? Oh, yeah.

Sure. Yeah. But you go and talk to the everyday person and they all have galvanized behind. Kearney. So if Trump's so smart, then he created the Alberta separatist movement knowing it would happen. And right now, you go, is the CIA, is Donald Trump and them talking to Alberta? Well, the dissent's been on record talking about it. They know how serious it is. We go 25, 30 percent. Well, I say that's probably the conservative number because how many people, as soon as it started becoming a thing, and E.B. and everybody starts calling them traitors, you got Jan Arnden out there

talking, spouting off. Yeah. Once again, I think, who cares about Jan Arna? But who cares about Brian Adams? Who cares about Mike Myers? These people don't speak for Canadians, but they're selected

because they have this iconic something from back in the day that I can't quite put my finger wrong. Oh, nostalgia is very powerful. Yes, it is. So if we're going to give Donald Trump all the credit in the world, then he has created the conditions for Alberta to have a referendum. Yeah, but for some reason, no one leader has emerged, right?

Like when we talk about the Quebec referendum from 1995, the provincial government was behind that. Yes. I mean, they spent millions. They went to met with Quebec. Yeah. Oh, Quebec. Sorry, France. France.

So, and nobody was calling them traitors, as I recall back. I was living in Calgary. I remember that. When the referendum vote came out, we were all standing in the newsroom with the radio station. I worked out watching the TV up on the wall. Like, what the hell is happening here? Such a close vote. But they had the full backing of their own government for sovereignty.

The movement in Alberta has got the federal conservatives against them. Correct. Obviously, Carney's liberals. Against them. You've got Daniel Smith against them. You've got the provincial. Everybody. Everybody's against it.

Every government, the media, all of it is against them. Correct. No one leader, one clear voice, and this is what it takes, I'm sorry to say, cult of personality, no one leader has emerged from the Alberta Independence Movement that people can follow. People need somebody to follow. Now, it's still a month before the vote. Maybe somebody will. I don't know.

And maybe, and if somebody does, it's not going to be. organic. We could use a warm-up. What time would get? And I would take a little more water too. Of course. Water. For the week. I don't think we're going to be eating too much. We're in the middle of a great conversation though. I'm so like that I'm happy that you're happy. I'm happy that you're happy.

Thank you. Yeah. Anyway, what did I just say? I said if a leader doesn't merge. Yeah. It's not. going to be organic, not at this stage of the game. So who's it going to be? Like if there is, if there is a secret, okay, whoa, but let's, let's finish this. If there is a secret American cabal trying to bring in independence in Alberta, they will in fact install somebody who is the focal point of Alberta independence. I think that person would be Keith Wilson. That person would be Daniel Smith. Dude, you see, you can't put Daniel Smith in that spot because If she does, she guarantees the next election goes to the NDP.

If it doesn't work. If the independence doesn't work. I completely understand. Right? But where is the disruption right now? The premier of the province, the most charismatic leader in all of Canada. I agree. Nobody will disagree.

Everywhere I go, everyone loves Canada. By the way, I know that you've interviewed her a few times, like face to face. Yes. She is as hot as I think she is? Hot? Yeah. A good looking woman. I mean, you know, for her age.

Remember, I'm 60. I guess for her age, she's a good looking woman. Okay, good. I don't know. I don't know. I've never had that question asked. That's funny, I've never had that question asked. You know what?

I look at her and I go, she is really attractive. Oh. You don't think so? She's old to you. I don't think she's ugly, but I don't, sorry, Daniel. Now, this is an odd question to get asked on a podcast. I think she's a good looking older woman. I don't use the word hot, though.

I don't think he's he I do I do like she ain't Sidney Sweeney no no about what Sydney Sweetie 25 I don't know I have no idea I mean I look at you know I don't see I don't see I'm not talking about sports illustrate no I'm not talking about Rejoin to Daniel Smith I'm talking about like in the range of politicians she's a good looking like I look at her and I go this woman is dignified she's intellectually brilliant you're talking about yes right and she's got a pretty face I mean, let's be honest, man. There you go, Daniel.

You have a fan. No, no, Matt's over. You know, sometimes I always say I forget when I'm on a show, my show, anybody else. I forget that I'm talking other people. But if you're talking about a catacly... Daniel, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to embarrass you. I've embarrassed myself now. I'm so sorry.

If you go, you know, you're less than a month away, if a cataclysmic change was that. Keith Wilson's been out, like Mitch Sylvester, Keith Wilson, Jefferath, Chris Scott, Dennis Modry. I mean, there's probably, I'm sorry, there's probably others that I'm forgetting about. My apologies. There's lots of people talking about it. But the cult of personality you're talking about is Daniel Smith. There are people that will walk through the fire for her. That is cult of personality.

Yes. And I go, if she changed her tune in the next three weeks, right? I've, whatever, I don't know how to happen. It's interesting. You know, I've said for quite some time now, since this whole thing started, I've said Danielle has got to walk a very, very precarious tight rope here. Well, so when she started crying, when was it last week, sorry, my days are kind of muddled together right now.

people called her an actor, all the things. And I'm like, the amount of stress she's under right now trying to, like... Unfiltered with Kelz. Have you aware of her? Yep. She said she believes that Daniel Smith's family is under threat and all of the pressure from all of this in the last year,

two years has gotten to her and that's why she cried. You know, I took that clip. I took two clips from that same speech, put them on. First one, she is making a brilliant case for separation. Like an absolutely amazing case for separation. And then she brings it back to an independent Alberta in a United Canada. And I thought, wow, man. Like that is an amazing flip-flop within three minutes.

That one clip that I cut into two. And I presented it on the show like that. I said, listen to what she says here. Does she not sound like a separatist? Sorry, a supporter of independence. And then listen to this. It was almost like two different people. We're twins or something.

And I thought, huh, wow. So maybe you're right, Sean. Maybe she could. Keith Wilson. If it's politically expedient. Keith Wilson's brilliant. I've listened to him to talk. I agree.

But Mitch Sylvester. roused people to get 300,000 signatures. Brilliant. Jeff Radd, as much as people want to, you know, call him a loud, both all the things, when he is in confrontation with like the CTV, the CBC, anything of that, you should listen to that guy talk. That guy is sharp as a tack.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. Now, is he perfect? Are any of these people perfect? No, we're human beings. And so you look at this and you go, I think Chris Scott's another one. When I interviewed Chris, I was like, wow.

Knows his shit. Knows his stuff. Yep. Yep. But what you're talking about is cult of personality funneling behind one in one true lion of urges. What it needs. And the lion comes out and here we are. I hate to break it to everybody.

We have it. It's Daniel Smith and she's sided against it and that's what's caused the uproar from all the freedom crew of like, whoa, whoa, whoa. You promised over a referendum. You lowered the limit. Day after Carney gets elected, what does she come out with? We're going to reduce the limit of a citizen-led initiative to 177,000. That was Daniel Smith. Yes.

But what I don't get is the flip-flopping. Now, you see, I look at the flip-flopping, and maybe it's not flip-flopping. Maybe it's just Daniel's way of trying to appeal to both sides. I don't know. She talks on the one hand about allowing this independence referendum in the first place. But then, you know, she says, well, the former government was impossible to deal with Stephen Gilbo and Justin Trudeau were cutting off. And that's why she got so upset with the federal government cutting off resources and cried on that video. And now she's praising Mark Carney for wanting to work with Alberta.

Look, man, Daniel Smith is not an idiot. No. She knows what Mark Carney is all about and the agenda that he's following. Correct. So that means... Just like we said, Donald Trump isn't an idiot. Right. You can write things off and be confused by it.

Yeah. But Daniel Smith's no idiot. No. So when she comes out in praise of Mark Carney and his initiatives and his willingness to work with the province, provided they build this carbon capture thing, which is complete bullshit. You know this. Everybody knows this. Why is she doing that?

I don't know. See, this is... This is where... me and you can sit there and both go, I don't know. It's only speculation. I'm not in the rooms. I have no idea that the conversation. Like, this is where you sit back as a host.

And you look at all the things and you're like, I don't get it. What I say is two plus two equals four. But the question is, is there another calculation in that equation before we get? Obviously, there is. So when you say in the next three weeks, yeah, you know, I mean, the one, we need a person. to coalesce that movement behind. And the only person, the only one, is Daniel Smith. Well, take your pick.

If all of a sudden Preston Manning came out tomorrow. Right? See, that's the thing. You can't think of another person. Nobody can encounter. There's not one person. Even at this point, Steve Eisenman or Wayne Grexie, Don Cherry come up. It would never work.

People hate Gradsky because of his affiliation with Trump. Like, Wayne Gradsky was a national hero, man. I just went across the entire country, minus British Columbia, my apologies, and I obviously didn't go up north. I wonder. Everybody loves Daniel Smith. Is there a picture of Terry Fox shaking hands with Daniel or with Donald Trump sometime in the 1970s? Because if there was, like that would. They'd tear down the statue.

The statues had come down. There'd be no more Terry Fox Day. No more running. They renamed Terry Fox. Yeah. They give him his cre name or something. So I'm thinking that Daniel Sussie. Smith has is weighing offers from both sides. She's weighing offers from Carney and she's weighing

offers from Trump. So if we're talking about, like you saw the UN speeches this past week? Yes. In General Assembly, New York. New York. Thank you. Yes. So Carney comes out and says, we, New World Order. He talks about the Middle Power Alliance. He talks about somehow, and this is This is something that 1984 tells us, right, when they start redefining words like they've been doing. So Carney says that somehow Canada joining the EU or becoming an associate member makes us more sovereign. What? Sovereignty is being able to stand on your own two feet. Sovereignty is your own country can feed itself, energize itself, defend itself.

It's not about joining 27 other countries. That's not sovereignty. That's capitulence is what that is. So he's redefining all of these words. When you hear him talk, he's all about agenda 2030. Net zero initiatives, clean energy, all of that crap, right? I mean, and this is what all of the European leaders are all about too. France, Germany, except for Italy, Spain, the UK,

crazy like that right all this immigration rampant migration become because of the UN migration back 2018 that's what we're doing interestingly trump signed off of that in 2018 Biden signed on to it in 2021 Trump took the states off it again when he got reelected that's something you got to look at if you have never looked at that before so we're all in on that and then you see Trump come on and say no more migration we've got our borders close Crime is down, right? Oil and gas, drill, baby drill. I mean, you could not find two more polar opposites speaking on the same day from the same podium in the same place, right? Those are your two options, my friends, right? Which one do you want?

Do you want a sane world? Or do you want this nut bar world that Mark Carney is promoted? So that's what you've got. So I would imagine that Daniel Smith, that's the choice to try. she's got to make because she's not going to be able Canada's not going to be able to stand on its own two feet either. Let's be completely honest here when we talk about this, right? I wonder if the floor crossing. Once again, I was still playing hockey at this time, so I was not paying attention to when she crossed the floor from the wild roads. Oh yeah. Yeah. She's been down this road before. Big decision. Huge decision. What is she going to do?

What's the smartest move for her? That is how she will go. For her personally, her and her family. That's why all of these conservatives crossed the floor to the liberals over the last year. It had nothing to do with the people they represent. It had everything to do with them personally. Marilyn Gladys said it. She said, this is going to be so much better for me personally.

In an interview, you didn't care about the people of Sarnia. Right? So what's best? And you sat down with her. Did she give you any hint of any personal feelings about anything? Or was she very professional the whole time? Very professionally. But here's the thing. I interviewed Daniel Smith back during COVID. So I've gone back and listened to those interviews because they're very candid, right? She's not a government official. It's not that she's speaking wildly. Was she on radio at that time? No, she'd been removed from radio.

for her outlandish right-wing views? For, I believe, the lady that it all culminated with was Kalen Ford, if I remember correctly. Right? And now Kalen Ford's obviously suing the NDP and all the things and winning cases. And, you know, like Kalen Ford is a brilliant woman. You can go back in the time capsule of the Sean Newman podcast and hear Daniel Smith say, in her own words,

there will never be another conservative government of Canada. Wow. Like an actual conservative, not in name only, an actual conservative government. So you do the math. She already knows. So when you're saying that as fact or was she making a guess? Wow. Like that's only you can answer that one because you were sitting with her. What was her facial expression then? Do you remember? You see, that's what I look into. When I'm watching somebody give an interview, or the people behind them.

You know how politicians all have people behind it? I'm watching their faces. I'm not watching the politician all the time, right? What are these people thinking? What are they doing? Do they understand how much bullshit this is, or are they just there for it? Or they get told to be there? Yeah, but I mean, you see the, because these people aren't politicians,

so you see their real facial expressions as opposed to the politician. and sometimes even the politician gives it away. The thing that about Danielle, that is I've always admired it. She's not careless with her words. Even when she was off radio and just talking to me and running her own thing, she was not careless with words. So her saying that, she knows it. When I think about everything that's come to pass,

she knows exactly what she's doing up until this point. When you talk about threading the needle, she's trying her best to hold everybody together but like you know everybody's worried about the NDP being the next government man if like I get it I get it but if you if you if you don't get a referendum through I think the way she's handled it the people that pushed so hard and went and collected 300,000 signatures are going to be so frustrated with how she handled it they're just going to go and mobilize and try and get her out.

And she's going to have to fight that. Yeah, they will. But she's only got another year left, right, before another election. Roughly. The last poll I saw in Alberta shows the NDP and the UCP at 41% both of them. Like the polling thing. I know. But that's all we have to go on.

And again, I don't believe them, right? But that's what we've got. So you sit here and I go, I just go back to your original thought process. So the CIA, dealing in the United States, entertaining deals from Carney and certainly in the United States and trying to factor anything in. Yeah, so what's you going to do? Well, no.

I have no idea. I do not speak for Daniel Smith. No, I know you don't speak for Daniel Smith. But this is just for your opinion. No, no. So then if we go, I go, wow, she is extremely calculated and strategic and doesn't, she's thinking 10 moves in advance. Plus, she's a politician, which means she has information.

we're not privy to. Right. And so I look at that and I go, I'm just adding in when you said, well, to me, everybody knows how important is Alberta on the world stage. Oil reserves, everything.

And when you think about that, you go, okay, you need a personality to fall, right? That's what you're talking about? Yep. And you go, well, nobody's emerged. Nope. We're in too short of a time

for anyone to emerge. They've been trying, right? Keith Wilson's been on, is going as hard as he can. You can talk about that. Jeff Ratsman's been going as hard as he can. Mitch Sylvester's been good. All these guys have been going as hard as they can, and they have not coalesced the entirety of the Alberta movement behind one.

Maybe I'm wrong. No, you're not. I've been watching it. The only one who can do that at this stage in the game is one person. And that's her? And that's her. I agree. But okay, so what will she do is the question, right?

That's the thing. I mean, she's got offers she's weighing, like you just said. And my thing is, what's going to be best? First things first, human beings. Yes, politicians, yes, very smart, but ultimately as human beings, what do we do? We take care of our family first every time, right? So what's best for her family moving forward? Does she really want to stay in Canada?

Does she love Canada that much? Or is that superseded by taking care of her own family? And in that scenario, which is the better choice? Is it joining the United States or is it staying in Canada? Right? If she flips and maybe this has been designed this way the whole time. I don't know. Maybe it has. I mean, wouldn't that be dramatic, right? Like a TV show. That would be something else and that could possibly move the needle. Oh, Danielle just decided. And that maybe, right? I mean, you know, I look at BC right now in this election and I see the BC Conservative Party, which is basically.

basically what the BC Liberal Party used to be. Same people, same board, all of that. David E.B. just made a huge tactical error in calling an election two years before the end of his mandate. Well, he had a majority. So what do you see happening there? What I see is Dallas Brody coming right up the middle

with one BC. She's signing candidates up left, right and center. The deadline for that is next weekend. She announced five new candidates yesterday. She's going to be announcing five more five. She's got 300 people that want to run. She's betting them all. She's going to have maybe 70 candidates out of 93 seats in BC.

Do you think she's not going to make some noise? Of course she is. People know. It's amazing to me. So Danielle says there's never going to be another conservative government in Canada. Maybe not. But one BC is definitely going to make some noise over there. And Dallas, I mean, I've had her on.

You probably had her on. Right? Like she's straight up, man. She tells her. what she thinks you know I mean she doesn't she's not political she is not at all political which is to her detriment but also to her benefit so we'll see what happens there I mean that's a whole other thing like I say man like this whole country is in a state of upheaval right now but I was talking about this the other

day that if people are fed up with the centralization of governments and in the west you can see it in Manitoba and you can see it in British Columbia right Every single government will be elected in Manitoba through Winnipeg. You cannot elect a government without having seats in Winnipeg. And that frustrates the hell out of the rural people because they call it perimeteritis. Like the road around Winnipeg is called the perimeter and that's how they see the entire city. And everybody from it has got perimeteritis. We don't ever see any of the other, right?

And when an election happens here, Winnipeg controls it because believe it or not, you know out of the 1.5 million people that live in Manitoba one million of them live in the Winnipeg Capital Region it's over seat counts the same BC you've got two-thirds of the people population in the lower mainland in the island and they control the government for Caloops Colona all of the cities right that run in northern BC Eastern BC Central Okina and all of that and those people are frustrated. So we're talking about the other day. There's this town in England called Pittington and it's about 400 people and word came out three

months ago that the UK federal government was bringing in busloads of migrants, right? So these are fighting aged men coming from African countries or South Asian countries, twelve hundred of them. and they're going to put them in this town. So immediately they're going to outnumber the native population by four to one. The town of Pittington has gotten together and voted that, no, we're seceding from UK.

98% of the people voted that way. Now this is not a binding vote, but it's certainly gaining the attention of the world right now. What I've said to certain municipal leaders is, you know, if you're not, happy with the province that you're in and the people aren't and why don't you just have a symbolic vote to secede from your province if you especially if you live in a border RM right maybe you want to join Saskatchewan or maybe you want to

join the United States what I think that's what's going to happen you're just saying we just took a quick break folks you were just saying though about a municipality succeeding from province yeah That'd be interesting on the border of the United States. Sure would. The province doesn't have to recognize it. Oh, obviously, but it's symbolic. Absolutely.

Absolutely it is. And so what if they had this vote? Because now they've got momentum, what happens if other municipalities see what they did? Right? This is a follow the leader kind of thing. Always is. So if one municipality sees that, hey, look, what these guys did,

we can do that. We have the same sentiment here. And then all of a sudden another one and so on and so on and so on. Then these provincial leaders have to start taking this a little bit more seriously than they would on the first time. It would grab headlines. Oh, yeah. It would grab headlines. Well, I tell you what, that's what we're going to leave it.

I'm going to do, I got to chatel for a few extra minutes, folks. So I'm going to do the bonus questions for Substack quick with them. So if you want to hear those, go over to Substack. But, Shaddle, thanks for doing this. Thanks for meeting me. My pleasure. I mean, we could have sat here for five hours. Probably.

But you're asking me how far I'm going to plan on making it. I don't know. I'm just picking away the distance. So as soon as we're done here, it's on the road and we'll just see how far east. I tell you what, man, like that's, that feeling of being on the highway like that and not having a real hard schedule, that's the best feeling in the world. That's freedom. Well, I tell you what, to me it is.

I've been enjoying it. I mean, don't get me wrong, I'm ready to get back to the family. And it's a long ways. But at the same time, right now I got no pee breaks, no camper to haul. camper the hall. It's just me and the open road. You know, and off you go. So either way, we're going to hop over to Substack and do bonus questions. So if you want to hear that, head over to Substack, folks.