Shaun Newman Podcast - #1140 - Josh Udall

Episode Date: October 6, 2026

Josh Udall is a host of The Elev8 Podcast, a Canadian show focused on business, marketing, and politics, which he co-hosts with Reg Manzer. He has a background in user experience design and founded the design firm Depth in 2020 to help companies build products that resonate with users. He brings that business and design perspective to the podcast, which has run since 2020 and covers Canadian political and economic topics.Silver Gold Bull Links:Website: https://silvergoldbull.ca/Email: [e-mail] Grahame: [phone]Bow Valley Credit UnionBitcoin: www.bowvalleycu.com/en/personal/investing-wealth/bitcoin-gatewayEmail: [e-mail] Nor’East Apothecary - USE promo code SNP for 15% off your orderhttps://thepowerofplants.ca/Get your voice heard: Text Shaun 587-217-8500

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Hope everybody's doing well on a Tuesday. Let's get on to that tale of the tape. Today's guest is the host of the Elevate podcast. I'm talking about Josh Udall. So buckle up. Here we go. Well, this looks a little different, doesn't it? Looks a little different.

Well, we welcome to the Sean Newman podcast. Yes, he is interviewing me today. He's coming to my studio and to my layer. And he is running the show today. And I'm excited to be interviewed by him. I have no idea what he's going to ask me. It's going to be a fun one. It's going to be unplugged, unfiltered.

I'm going to give him everything he can handle, and I'm looking forward to it. I'm happy to have you here, sir. A, to the audience back home, or anywhere for that matter. I was just saying this is the first time I've been back in a studio-like setting with the headphones on like this. I mean, the live show with twos is a little different, but like studio setting where I can actually hear myself

and sit in a format like this super sweet. So Josh, appreciate you introducing the show and having me into your house. You know, it's been one of the cool things since we left. You know, so many of the faces I've met, I don't get to see,

except through the computer screen. So it'll be sitting across from you. Super cool. So, you know, I got to, you know, I found you through Jasmine Lane. What was that?

Like a year and a half ago, something. Yeah, just for the election. Yeah. And so, I got to stop in at Jasmine's place when we were going through Winnipeg and to be in Halifax, you know, and to get to sit with you like, this is super cool.

I hope we get to, you know, have a little bit of fun. And obviously we're going to talk a little bit of politics. And I don't know. How are you been? I'm doing pretty kid, man. Life is interesting. Well, your new dad, right? Yeah, new dad.

I am a new dad. And that's been fun. He's the best. And just seeing him kind of grow, learn and crawl, walk, all the things. that once has been really fond to witness. And at the same time, trying to keep families separate from the political world has also been a different challenge.

How so? Just in terms of you just want to protect your family from it, right? Because, you know, you've just a lot of psychos out there that were... You worried about that? Oh, I'm very worried about it. Is it the Halifax? Like, you know, like driving around... So I was saying this, I think,

previous episode, but forgive me, folks. I, you know, like this is finally starting to feel like what I was doing in the first three months. After the car broke down, I went into like survival mode, if you would. And then when you redrive across the country, I, you know, I haven't really given a ton of thought to a lot of things. But when I, when I hear, you know, when you get to St. John's Newfoundland, it is a crazy amount of trans everything. Like just a crazy amount, more than anywhere I've seen in all of Canada. And I was like, this is strange. Yeah.

In Alberta, we, we fight it because it is there. Listen, folks, in Alberta, I get it, it is there. But you don't understand on steroids how it is in St. John's. And I'm not saying trans equates violence and everything else. Just when you're like, you know, I'm trying to get him somewhere because I'm like, well, is that Halifax then? Is it the eastern side? Like, is it just more like liberal left-leaning and therefore what you're doing and talking about is viewed in a negative light?

I would say so. I think, too, I typically, I don't typically dabble into like the culture war issues a lot. So, you know, the vitriol that typically can be thrown. Yeah, but you're talking about Trump. But that's true. And that's the other aspect of it is people are really upset about that. And I, not only like here in Nova Scotia, Halifax, you name it, Eastern Canada, period.

You bring up that, hey, we probably should have a reasonable relationship with the Americans. And there's like, you're a traitor. The amount of times I've been called the traitor over the past three months, well, especially like it really picked up after Carney walked away the latest time. But it's been like that for the whole time since Carney's been trying to do this. Like, you want to have diplomacy with the Americans? Are you even Canadian?

Are you sure you? You should just move to the United States. And I'm like, bro, I just want what's best for my country. Why does that equate for me being a bad person and being un-Canadian? Because it's emotional. Exactly. And that's the problem we're witnessing. It's a lot of emotions.

Hmm. Yeah, the Donald Trump, so today, well, the episode before you on the podcast, and I think it's on the substack portion, folks, is the first time I've ever had where somebody doesn't want to name Donald Trump, you know? Like, I'm a Harry Potter fan or grow up reading the Harry Potter books. Yeah, and then nobody who, he who shall not be named. It's like, it's Donald Trump. He's the president of the United States. I mean, there's no special power in uttering that, that name. We were going to be okay, but that's a first. First, the emotional side of people, you know, you can feel it. And it's very, very strange.

So I come back, like you feel like, you know, by having your channel and talking about these things, that that puts your family into a weird predicament. Yeah, I'd say so because I think as well, something I really try to, like, clear up with people, too. You know, my wife doesn't really hold a lot of my views. Yeah, but I'm the same way. My wife doesn't. And that's the thing, too, is, and I think that makes me extra protective because, like, my family doesn't, my, particularly my wife doesn't really want to have anything to do with the political space whatsoever. So I get very hypervigilant.

If my political space ever gets involved to my family life, then I start waging out. I start getting very protective really quickly. Because I, like, that's one of the biggest promises to my wife, my family is that they will always be protected. Yeah, for sure. And so, and like, even here, like, the fact that. Like, you're in my house. I hope you know that's like reserved for very special people. I appreciate that.

I've been very fortunate of being allowed into a lot of people's personal spaces because I'm the same way back in Lloyd. Right. I have a studio and I let, you know, guests come in there all the time. But actually to my house, it's a sacred spot, right? My kids are there. My wife's there. And I don't want to bring in anything that is unwanted.

or could bring in a little bit of bad mojo or anything to do that end. So, no, I appreciate it of you allowing me in here. I hope I'm not bringing any bad mojo in. No, you're good. I just, to me, like, I never, no matter what I do, from where I, you know, the values I have and the way I approach the issues that the world is currently doing, I'm like, if that flack, right, were to come back on my family, I think we're in such a bizarre state at that point in time

that I would probably just, I probably would just pick up and go. It'd probably be just time to pick up and go. Yeah. I mean, I've talked to lots of different people. I have videos every which way online that probably a lot of people disagree with.

But I, like actually in person, I've never had anyone approach me. I'm going to be wishing on it. And now I'm going to be making it. That has approached me and been like violent or aggressive. I find most people avoid me now that don't agree with me, right? They don't want to give you eye contact.

They're actually, they almost try and shun you from society, which I, fair enough. But the violent side of it, and I know it exists. I'm not a moron or naive. But once again, I don't live in a city like Halifax. I don't live in, you know, like the side of the country that is the have-nots. I've heard that a lot now, like in the last like three days since I've been back. that keeps coming up.

I'm like, what a weird mentality to have? Because I look around at Nova Scotia, Newfoundland, New Brunswick, P-E-I, and all I see is possibilities. I see possibilities for, I'm like, you know, if you just allow yourselves to dream a little bigger,

I think you could be a half-provence. I don't think that's rocket science. I mean, we have all the resources here, and we have so much that we could offer and sell. And that is the biggest problem we're witnessing here, and I've witnessed. I've lived in here,

no, Scotia, probably about 11 years now. No longer than that. I've been here 15 years now. Where were you before? I was, so I originally,

I'm born in Toronto. I live in Calgary for seven years growing up. I lived in L.A. for a year. And then, and then, yeah, lived kind of beeping around in Toronto for a few different locations

before I moved out here for school. And I stayed here after school. And that was the one thing I always like noticed was the first thing I noticed was people having that mentality that they just won't allow themselves that they don't realize they deserve more and that they should have more. And I get the mentality to a degree to is there's always this, you know, if we see how we've seen Canadians react to the Donald Trump and America stuff, and they've always felt inferior to America. And they just won't say it.

But that's really come out during these times. Well, if that's how Canadians typically feel about the U.S., Atlantic Canadians feel like that towards Toronto, is always this inferiority complex. And we don't want to be like Toronto. Oh, don't bring it here. That was a joke. My wife is at work, and she was starting at a new workplace. And there's like, oh, where are you from? I'm from New England.

And there's like, oh, American. There's like, yeah, yeah. It's like, oh, where's your husband from? He's like, oh, he's from Toronto. He's like, oh, yeah, we'll take you. He can stay out. You know, like they actually view Americans more favorably than they even see Torontoians here, right?

And so that's even typically what I get from people is when they find out, I'm originally from Toronto. There's like, oh, I really thought you were from here. You know, you don't act like you're from Toronto. You know, so it's just this mentality where they, there's always this thing that holds them back in a mental way. And the fact that even someone like Tim Houston, who's a very, like, I would say a pretty soft premiere, gets visceral reactions from people anytime you.

even so much brings up an idea that's different from the status quo. So in other words, there's a lot of work to be done out in the East Coast. If you were to change, you know, the prevailing views, essentially. Oh, yeah. Yeah. There's, I would say there's a lot of work to be done. I think it's, it's changing because you're starting to see a lot of people coming from away, was what we would call them here. I don't know if you've kind of heard that term since being visiting out here.

I got stuck in Newfoundland. for two weeks. Believe me, I heard it. I interviewed the U.S. Ambassador to Canada in Gander on 9-11. So you can imagine I've heard that term quite a bit. And I got my own little story now of being stuck in Newfoundland and how well the Newfys treated myself and my family. And it was, you know, like that's the level of kindness. I think Canadians know and want. And they want, you know, the gorty howl of hockey. That's the gentleman off the ice. And on the ice, if you mess with them, you're getting the elbows up. That's what they want.

And that's what is being played off right now with all the emotion and rhetoric and everything else, which is super wild to watch from where I sit, you know, because like people will be hard. I'm not pointing at you. I'm just in general. People will be hard on the people from their provinces and they'll expect all Albertans or all Saskatchewans just can see right through the emotion. They can't. There's a ton of people who think Donald Trump is the arch-enetons. nemesis of Canada, and they're wrapped up in this emotion.

And you know what? It's funny during the election, the only thing I can't figure out is why they didn't see it during the election when the liberals won, and the same emotion was emitted to get Kearney in. You know, it's like this emotional piece for Canadians, it isn't just Maritimes, it isn't just Manitoba or Ontario, it's across the board.

Now, if you further east I go, I would say, is it six and ten? Is it seven and ten? it's becoming a high number and I'd like to think the closer you get to Alberta that number of people that is being affected by it lowers but it's still it's still happening everywhere like everywhere is being affected by you know Donald Trump and and the emotional reaction to him messing in affairs and being unfair and treating his bully and you know I had a guy say uh what was that yesterday say something along the lines of you know he's not very nice to people he got shot in the head Like are what are we talking about? Yeah. What are we talking about? At some point, you know, you get written every story in the world that you're an awful human being.

They try and take you out. Yep. The gloves are coming off. And listen, this makes it sound like I am a Donald Trump guy. I'm not. I'm actually quite pissed about him in our Canadian election. Because like truth be told, Pierre was going to win that. And then you go, well, would Pierre have been better?

It wouldn't be the liberals. And I have full stop, more faith in anybody about the liberals at this point. But instead, he kept just poking and poking. And that got Carney in. Now I got Carney in. And Carney is this weird, like, wolf and sheep's clothing where, like, everyone's like, oh, he's just doing such a good job. He's got, he's got, you know, he's got all the credentials, Josh.

He's got them all. And you're like, uh-huh. Have you talked to the places he came from? Have you seen what they're saying about him? No? Do you see his check his references? Yeah. Like, maybe we could make a phone call or two.

and go, you worked at the Bank of England. How'd that go? Not very good. Don't hire them. Tell me how you really feel, Sean. That's what we really want to know here. Well, I tell you what, it's just nice to sit in a studio again. I can hear myself.

It's great. And it's nice to be somebody who, you know, you can dishears me. It's fine. But I don't think that's where we said. You're younger than me. You got your first kid, which congrats, by the way. Thank you. That's, um, my man, fatherhood is the best.

The best. And it only gets better. It comes with a few more gray hairs, but it only gets better. And like, I stare at the world. We're creating for these people. I'm like,

we gotta do better. And so, like, I'm trying my best of journalists and integrity and just be, is like, middle of the road as I can. But, like,

the more I hear the emotional responses of Donald Trump, you're like, do you understand, I know you do? Do you understand how integrated, rated our economy is.

Yeah. Like we, you know, we want, I had a, um, a colonel, retired colonel from Alberta,

tell me change doesn't happen until bread lines. I'm like, well, this is one way to get the bread lines. Yeah. We are very close to there, if not there already. Is it bad out here?

I would say, so, it's, it's pretty bad. Um, you had the likes of, uh, we had,

uh, a former Trudeau MP who fled the Trudeau ranks to, who was that? Andy Fillmore. Okay. And he fled as a federal MP to come run for mayor of Halifax. He is one, and he's hating his job right now because he doesn't realize that the municipal level doesn't run like the federal level, where he learned all these lessons from Trudeau

where he could just be an iron fist and just run the party how he wants to do with this, that the other. Well, he's learning that you actually have to negotiate with people and there's no parties at the municipal level, and no one's letting him do anything. And he's just like, why am I here? It's like, no, it's because you're going to be out of a job. You were going to be out of a job so he left before. And then Carney slid in afterwards.

And so we always laugh about Andy Fillmore out here because if he just held on for a little bit longer, he could have been like Sean Frazier and just bounce back in or Anita Nand, jump back in. Oh, Carney's here. We got jobs now. Now he's sitting here in Halifax with no one who wants to work with them and wondering how the heck you let it all slip away. I feel like I asked you this once upon a time, but are you always been in politics?

I've always had an interest in it, always from even just a young kid, but I never really got super serious into it until during COVID. Yeah, I grew up a hockey fan. Still am, but I mean, it's on the back burner for the most part. It's just funny when you rattle off names. I'm like, man, it's sad. I know all these names. Or it's really encouraging.

I do know all these names. And I assume the audience knows most of those names, too. Because you're just like, how on earth are these people still? in office. You can't get it. They have literally been in and been leading us through the worst time to be a Canadian.

Bar none. They're still in. Yeah. Well, I actually want to bring me back to a point you made earlier. And the reason why they're still in is because they're incredibly good at politics. Not good at policy,

but they're good at politics. And that's why they've always, they know how to play the game. They know how to get in your head. They know how to get in your face. And they know what makes you tick and they know what they, if you realize, if you look at the,

the trajectory of how they've won elections since 2015, correct me if I'm wrong. Pretty sure 2015 was the only election where the liberals ran on something, like ran on a promise for people. Every election after that was, well, we're not the conservatives, we can handle COVID.

COVID's scary. We can handle COVID. And we're not Donald Trump. everything else was them running on fear of we're not that though and they've been so good at weaponizing it and this goes back to when you're said oh you know i'm mad at trump because i feel like if it wasn't for him paulia would have won and you may be you might you might be right on that but what i have found and when i've been reflecting on it is really were was the conservative was that strong that it took that

took something like that to take out their their ammunition or that that wave they had behind them just like that. Was their support ever that strong or it seemed a little fragile? So we're going back to the last election.

That's what you're asking about. Yeah, yeah. I think when Donald Trump started poking, I don't know, I'm going to call it the bear, right? The way the liberals created their messaging. Yeah. Showed strength.

They were strong and they looked mature and they just, they exuded, which sounds really stupid to say, but this is just what I saw was I'm like, I don't believe any of these guys are saying it.

It's politics. It's all theater. But the way they position it to the Canadian population that doesn't engage like you and me really played well. Like I mean insanely well and Canadians were ready

for somebody who wasn't young, That was Justin Trudeau. Yeah. They didn't care about fancy socks. They didn't care about the drink water boxy thing. All these stupid things. They want real policy. They want somebody with a banking background, right?

Who can come in and fix all the problems we're having and is mature and doesn't go off the handle. And I just, I honestly think Pierre missed an absolute layup because he, if you listen to Pierre, he talks about it all. but then rate close to the, you know, when Trudeau took his long walk and said he was done, there was that, what was it, three, four months, and they just, they were, they were, this is me speculating, they were so sure they had to win, so sure. They just said, don't touch anything. Let's just, let's just pull this ship into the, and we're done. But they forget, there's another team, and they are motivated, they have a new leader in,

and he's going to come in and do and say things and change the trajectory. And our country is a liberal country. Like look over the course of the history of elections. It's not like the conservatives are in two out of three times, right? It's vastly a liberal country. So the country was ready for somebody to come in. There was a liberal leader, mature, all the things. And so I think Pierre missed a layup.

I do. I wish I could be sitting beside him while I'm like, you got to get ahead of this. You got to go and talk. to the people about all the things that Donald Trump is doing and get ahead of it and position yourself as that leader. And instead they, you know, I think of the, Jasmine was on that one. I'm not sure if you were or not. We watched the federal debate and then we were we were commenting on it. Yeah. And Singh was like on him like a. And all you had to do, everybody wanted him to do it. Just turn and be like, listen, the whole reason Canada's in the position we're in is because of you. So if you want to answer that, answer that.

Otherwise, I'm going to finish my answer, and I'd appreciate if you stop cutting me off. Like, stand up for yourself. That was a, he looked weak. And I, to me, it was probably like he does, well, Jasmine has said that night, they don't want him to be aggressive. Like, there's a difference between aggressive and just standing up for yourself. You know, if somebody's harassing your family, you know, you're probably going to say something. You don't have to, you know, I mean, it's a political debate.

I know it's not family and it's a little different. It's just, to me, that's how it looked and felt. You? So it's funny, I actually, when people ask me about the election, what happened, I typically don't ever get into what actually happened during the election. Okay. Because I, my thesis on this is that the election was lost before it was ever called. Okay.

And going back to what you were saying, I do agree, was the moment Trudeau took his long walk, we technically didn't have a prime minister anymore. That was your moment to go be a prime minister. And yes, was Trump being doing some crazy things? Absolutely. And you are correct about the conservatives being like, okay, you know what? Just play it safe. Let's just try to put this in cruise control.

And we're just going down this highway and just let's get this thing parked. That's what we need to do. And I remember just talking to some individuals in and around the party at the time. And I was like liberals are in disarray. Take advantage. Go. And what I'm telling you is go to the U.S. go on the Make America Great Again networks that are Trump interested and are affiliated.

We're not going to say affiliated, but they agree with his politics and I agree with him as a president. Go talk to them. Go talk to their people. Get ahead of these tariffs. Go show that we're serious. Go to Mara Lago. Go talk to Trump. Get ahead of this.

Do what Daniel Smith did at the time. And they're like, no, we can't do that. People think we're Maga. I was like, they're going to think that anyways. Go and try to get ahead of this. And the comparison I made at the time was, well, Mulroney did the same thing. Was, well, Pierre de L.A. Trudeau, he went on his long walk. And the liberals didn't have anything, a leader ready to go yet.

And they're in disarray. And so while they're trying to figure out their liberal leadership praise, Mulroney went down, became really good friends with Reagan. Reagan was also applying tariffs to Canada at the time too. And they had developed a good relationship. Mulroney got voted in. And then they ended up negotiating NAFTA. So I think it was a moment.

They could have done what previous leaders have done in the past. And they just messed it. Yeah, it's just too bad, right? Like, I mean, you, it's hindsight now, right? You just, you go, that moment passed. Oops. Yeah. And I think that's kind of it is I try my best to not.

I don't people like people love talking about it and I get it. And it's like, you know, at this point we're two years back past it. And so I tried not to get too much. What did you think? What do you? Okay. So fast forwarding to roughly this happened, I want to say in the last month where Pierre is down talking to the American networks. and won't speak ill of Kearney.

What did you think of that? I think it was a good move. I did appreciate it. I think the one thing that was missed is you didn't need to talk ill of Kearney. You just need to talk about the state of our country. And that's different. And I think that would have been very strong. And he did, there was what, I think his last appearance on one of the networks up there,

he did talk about the issue of the CCP, the money laundering that's happening, the influence of China into our country, how he did. don't want to get close to them. Like I was like, that's what you need to be hitting on. That's stuff you need to be talking about. And that you could be talking about from a position of going into it with strength. Sure. Because what I believe, again, this is just me just as an outsider talking politics,

I think if we had, you know, competent or not just a competent, a leadership that actually cared about our country, what I would be doing right now is clearly the United States is very unhappy with how close you'd gotten to China. So I would have been like, all right, we're going to clamp down, boom, we're going to clamp down the CCP. We're going to clamp down our ports. We're going to make sure we're clamp down on the drugs that are coming in through, the precursors, all of it. We're going to toss these Chinese police stations out of our country. We're going to lock down and kick the CCP out and all the other foreign actors of the IRGC, Calistani's, you name, they're all getting tossed out. We're also going to start putting

a boatloads of money into our military. We're going to start just pumping out energy. We are going to get serious and lock down this country and do our job. Protect the North. Protect the Western Hemisphere. That's what you want. You want a partner. We can be a partner.

Now that we're doing our job, give us the best deal. That's what I think that would be a position of leadership and strength to go into this. Well, if you fast forward to current tariff war. Yeah, here we are. As we love to, that doesn't seem to be the, well, I don't know, it doesn't seem to be the direction that we're signaling with the U.S., right? Instead, we're an associate member of the European Union, which means nothing. Yeah.

You know, like, I mean, I don't know. The going on the New York Times and talking about war or an invasion. The U.S. invasion. U.S. invasion. You're like, so when I come on here, I have, I have a. general idea of what I want to explore with Josh, right? Yeah. But I don't have a team, and maybe I should, a team of five people going,

you should ask them about this, and you should dig into that. Make sure you talk about this because that plays well, right? Yeah. But we all know when you get to the highest levels, you've got how many people sitting behind you going you've got to talk about this. Because if you don't talk about this, you know, you're going to look, all the things I'm saying, you're going to look weak, all these things. And then you're probably sitting there game strategying and out going,

I don't want to talk about that. maybe we should talk about this, right? And you're going back and forth. That's what they have around them. Yeah. You know, when I come in here, I don't. But now you watch the tariffs and everything. What do you see?

Like, maybe I'm wrong. Maybe Carney's doing a masterful job of unlocking resources and creating an enemy out of Donald Trump for tariffs and getting, you know, putting tariffs on the United States is somehow going to benefit us. And we're going to open up, you know, the MOU on pipelines and all different deals with different countries. from everywhere else.

Maybe this is all good. Maybe there's a way that Carney comes out of this smelling like roses. I could make it like that. Is there a possibility of that? I don't know. You stare at this as much as anyone.

Do you see something that I haven't seen? I think he's, this is the one thing that's really dangerous about Carney. Is that he does a really good job of kind of telling people he's doing things. And that there's also like a figment of a version of that happening where people like, oh yeah,

you know, he's doing a good job. For example, immigration. He's like, oh, yeah, we cut down an immigration. It's all good. And people are starting to see, like, the numbers on a screen are starting to go down. There's like, oh, yeah, immigration's solved, even though they still are waiting months and sometimes years for an appointment for like surgery or some type of treatment at their local hospital.

And so they're still having this on the ground situation where it's like, well, there's still things aren't going the way they are. But the CBC's saying that things are coming down. So just it'll take time. And that's all this is. Mark Crane does enough. where people give him the benefit of the doubt that he just needs time. And that's where he starts really winning.

And in the meantime, he's doing some very, I would say, dangerous things. And some of those things are aligning with the EU and China. What we're seeing right now is Mark Carney has become the de facto head, de facto face of this globalist regime and this team, team globalism, I would say, in the West. And they want to link up with China. And what we're seeing right now from across, the board is that this is an opposition

to Trump's nationalism policies. And with that taking place, we're witnessing Mark Carney a lie in the EU, Canada, and China. And he's essentially creating this alliance to go toe to toe with Donald Trump. And that is a scary place for us to be in. You know, I was listening to one of your videos. Maybe it was, I can't remember.

You were just talking about Venezuela, Cuba. Oh, yeah. I mean, now you get Greenland, right? And then, yeah, we've gotten a nice discussion with a guy in Newfoundland saying, I had agreement and Greenland's been there since 1951. I don't know if that date's correct, folks. You just get the time frame that has been there for a long time. And I'm like, he's still flexing.

And they're about to put massive military presence in Greenland. Yeah. I mean, it looks like the next person, the old, only thing left on the docket is the largest neighbor sitting on their north. Maybe we better pay attention because this guy is only, as everybody keeps pointing out, only got two years left. We're almost at the midterms. This guy will be gone soon enough.

I'm like, two years is a long time with Donald Trump at the helm. Yeah. Yeah. He hasn't, he's not a guy who sits around and contemplates things. Maybe in his first go around he did, not this time. This time he is pulling and pushing and doing things at rapid,

rapid pace. So when you say, well, Carney is the leader of all this thing and it's positioning itself against Donald Trump, the world superpower, I might add. I go, that should wake Canadians up like that. It doesn't seem like we want to be here at all.

You know, we're supposed to be the peaceful nation that, you know, peace keeps not policies. How do they say that? Yeah, you're close enough. Close enough. Yeah, I got there.

No, but I tend to agree. And that's what is really concerning, Because we look at Mark Carney's background. You know, it's 98% of his investments are outside of this country. Most of it in the United States. His family has got most of all the connections are outside the country. The woman who runs his prime minister's office is a Democrat operative, an American. He's constantly bringing up Maya Johnson.

Explain to me this. Okay, so Maya Johnson was brought on quietly to run the prime minister's office. as what they call her CCO, CO, CO, CO, Chief Operating Officer. And her goal essentially just to run the office and make sure that, you know, working on messaging, this, that the other. And that is a bad sign because what you've done is you brought on someone from the Democrats who is not like an opponent of Donald Trump's and you have her working in the Canadian prime minister's office.

So we have an foreigner working our prime minister's office. and and this whole again, this whole alignment that's happening to go toe to toe to Donald Trump, Mark Carney has said, all the people that he's connected to his inner circle have no connections to this country. Yet they're using our tax dollars to fund their rhetorical war against Donald Trump. That's uncomfortable for me. Yeah, well, I mean, it just puts us in the same predicament it feels like we've been in for the last 10 years, doesn't it? Yeah, it's same but different, you know, and I think with the thing that's different about this is it's getting more dangerous and there's more opportunity where things can go wrong and it's hard to recover from if things go really badly. Well, when you think of things going really badly, like where do you, are you, are you, does your mind go to like the Calistanis or does it go to just the fact like economic war with the United States and you look at gas?

today where I think it's a buck ninety three ish you know here in halifax on the rock it was as high as two twenty three you know and you go oh I can't get much worse you know well if you get in an all-out gun battle figuratively folks with the United States it can go way worse like it can it can get a lot worse I you know like is that three dollar liter gas gasoline is it and then you just think of the the spillover effect or the ripple effect of what that does, you know, driving the country a second time. I said on, I think it was today's episode, you know, you should really thank a trucker in this country.

Yeah. Because at night when I was driving, the amount of semis going down, the Transcan, the highway is a bit insane. And if they, you know, like think about all the fuel it takes to get across the country. It ain't cheap. No. And that's how all the goods move in our country. Yeah.

You know? So like, thank a trucker. But I mean, when I think of worse, there's two ways I could go about it. There's the more extreme groups that are operating in Canada, or there's the actual we're creating a scenario where the United States inflicts economic pain on us like never felt before. I don't even think we're going to get the chance to wait that long. Things are moving very quickly on a global level right now.

Russia's moving quickly. China's moving quickly. Iran is at war with the U.S. There's a lot of conflict happening. Okay. And we've talked about it where you talked about the idea of, you know, Trump having action on Venezuela, action on Greenland, action on Cuba, and doing deals with South America.

Like his whole goal has been trying to shore up the Western Hemisphere and shore up the Americas. And if you're not playing ball, well, he's going to make sure you are. And right now China is getting desperate. They want Taiwan. They're seeing what Russia is doing. They're like, okay, we have an opportunity, but I think China's missed their opportunity to go after Taiwan, and they know it.

And their real estate situation, China is getting drastically worse. Their homeless population is increasing in China at the moment. They're running out of time. And this competition for global superpower, for the one opportunity to be the global superpower, is reducing in size for China at the moment. So you have the U.S. and China who know their world war is upon us and they're racing.

And Canada is just, just we're screwing around right now, man. Like there's serious stuff happening and we have a serious role to play in national defense and getting ourselves ready for war. And we're just screwing around. So you think war is inevitable then? Yeah, I do.

I think we are, it's, everyone keeps talking about, oh, we can avoid. what it, no, and I know people have their theories about Thucydides' trap and all of that. I do strongly believe in that theory. And walk me through this theory. The theory essentially is, over time, oh my gosh, you got me on this one, man. Let me just do pull up the, a quick trip. Oh, just, yeah, pull it up.

I'm not trying to get you on anything. No, it's, everyone kind of refers to it. And I'm trying to, it's a theory that's kind of, it's stemmed over in Greece. let's see here I just want to make sure I give this the I have an idea of what it is I just kind of Yeah you want to get it you want to get it

I want to make sure I'm accurate on this one That's why we have a computer Yeah we need Jamie you need a Jamie sitting in your In your studio to pull it up for you Absolutely Yeah that's right So it gets to the point so when you know You had the US superpower

That's been they've been that for close to last 100 years at this point. And then you start having another superpower who's trying to overtake. Sure. The only time that that gets settled is through war. No one just gently says, oh yeah, you can go first. We'll stay second. At some point when they're both converging, someone's going to be battling for that top dog.

And that's the Thicidity's trap is when you have a super pilot's been there for a long time and then one starts creeping up, they either try to blow them away and try to keep that top dog or these guys are going to take them out and take that number one stop. that spot. And so that's the theory. And a lot of people are saying we can avoid it and that we can just peacefully coexist. I think it believes Xi Jinping mentioned that in his speech at the White House, that we can avoid acidity's trap, that we can kind of just agree to a deal and things will be all good. But that's not what's happening right now. Everything Trump's been doing is to choke off China from supply chains right now. They did like a $30 billion deal with them recently. That was strictly

not much but touched anything technological. It was all like kitchenware, toys, that type of thing. And so, and the war in Iran, it was 100% it has to do with choking off China's oil supply. And that's not going, I don't think that's going the way that the American thought it was going to go. I could be wrong. Maybe they think it's going great. I don't even know what's going on over there personally. But that's kind of where I'm seeing where things are at at the moment.

So your lens, when you take a step back, you just look the superpowers and you go look how they're playing out on the board yeah and so and that's where i come to at the end of the day is i see where all the chess pieces are moving and i'm seeing that they're moving quickly and we're in canada like the u.s yeah okay you can you can say what we want about don't trump um and his methods of communication but it was it's becoming fairly clear that trump throwing tariffs on us was not so much to economically destroy us but it was us to start becoming stronger as a nation. And it was to motivate us to start getting stronger in these core industries,

start investing in our military, and start being a strong partner and treating us as such. And we decided to have a temper tantrum instead. And now we have all these moves that are happening where America, at least when it comes to the Arctic, America's got Alaska, they got Greenland now. And they're the need Canada start playing ball, and they're not. And we're one of two countries that have retaliated against the United States. Canada and China. And we know that.

And so that's where we're at this present time. It's just like there's things that are moving globally at a very rapid pace and we are screwing around and I don't think the United States has time to wait for us. And that's what makes me nervous of what that means. Well, I mean, okay. What do you think that means? Because now you got me just curious. Oh, man.

It's, where do we go from here? I think the U.S. ends up putting exceptional pressure on us where, like, Carney knows in the back of his mind, he's trying to, you know, delay, delay, delay. He knows very well that he's got to get a deal done. He knows. Because if no deal gets done, this country. Yeah, but if, but if he gets a deal done, then he loses his biggest fear tactic of Donald Trump being bad. Yeah. And he'll have to figure out a different way for that. But he knows. that like we can't go much longer without that deal being sorted out. And if that continues to go on the way it is, well, like we just thought we witnessed it this week where they launched another, a full on ban of our products. We can't survive that.

And so I think there's just going to be an exceptional amount of pressure applied to Canada to start doing their job and playing ball. And what makes me nervous is we have a very stubborn liberal party who. We have a very stubborn. It isn't just the party. It's the population, too, because like I say, traveling the country, a ton of people think Kearney's doing a great job. Well, and that's why I go back to, too, too. So we actually ran our own polling on this where it's a propaganda is a powerful tool.

And of course, everyone thinks Carney's doing great because no one's really been given another option. We saw it with the conservatives. We saw it in the last election. Liberals went elbows up and conservatives went halfway up. Like it was the same messaging. There was no real contrast of messaging of a different way to really approach this. And this has been happening since. Now that this whole anti-Trumpism is really taken over,

now the mentality is, well, if you're not with Mark Carney, then you're not on Canada. You're not with Team Canada now. And there's been a little communication of, hey, there's actually a different way we should be approaching this. That would not be hurting us as much as it is. And it feels like there's a lack of courage to bring that forward. We're seeing a little bit from Shuv. He's been doing a good job of kind of how. making that case recently.

Jamil Giovanni had a great town hall where he made it very clear in the Q&A session where he said, you guys said elbows up, we want sovereignty, we'll never be the 51st state. Then he ran and bent the need of communist China. Then he went to go be an associate member of the EU. That's called sovereignty. And you can tell, like it was interesting because the guy who was asking the question, he's a political actor and you could tell. but he was kind of expecting to play the role of kind of, you know,

well, you know, elbows up and why are you not getting mad about Trump? And what's, I saw the reaction of the kid when it happened. And you could tell that he'd never, even himself who was liberal through and through campaigned for the party, had never even heard that as an argument yet. And that's, that is who we're going head to head with. And they haven't heard that argument with. It's interesting to me, because like going through COVID, the role of propaganda, right?

How many people were actually allowed or were talking out about, like, there's some strange things going on. Very few. And then after 2022, in particular, I continue to find people such as yourself, Jasmine Lane, but like the list goes on and on.

I've been running into them all over the place. You know, I just was in Quebec, and I sat with Vesper for a night. And, like, he's a guy digging into all the stupid, of the liberal government right now, right? And shows the receipts and just walks through. You got the northern perspective. You've got, you know, like Blacklocks reporter.

And the list goes on. I shout out to, you know, Canadian taxpayers' federation, Chris Sims back home. You know, and I just think about it. I'm like, today, where we sit, there is more Canadians in media independently. And I'm not even bringing up Rebel or Juno or, you know, like, obviously, who Rebel was there, but Juno wasn't. You know, you got the Western Standard once again back home. You've got more

independent media than ever before, at least in my short duration of doing this. And yet the propaganda is still working. It's still like it's kind of like what you're talking about with the young

kid host going like, I never even heard that argument before. I'm almost shocked at times when people are like, you know, I think Carney's doing a pretty good job. And I'm like, have you listened to anything else other than we're standing strong against the United States? Like, what does that actually mean? Like, how do we get people to go a little more deep than surface level? How do we get them? Because like, once you go down a few layers, you're like, yeah, I mean, I don't want the United States to come and bully us around. But at the same time, Donald Trump

saying things and doing things, if you've watched them, that's what he does. And at the end of the day that that shouldn't be like, well, we're going to just suffer the entire economy to stand up to him. It's like, no, get a deal done, move on, start building things in Canada. You want to move away from the United States. Okay, that takes time. It takes building out your infrastructure in your own bloody country. And the propaganda side of it is really interesting because Canadians in particular, and conservative Canadians in particular, are being caught up in the, um, elbows up crowd. Like they think Carney's actually, he's actually doing a pretty good job.

The amount of conservatives I've heard say that. I'm like, really, why do you think that? I just want to understand. Why do you think that? And it's usually surface level stuff, Josh. He's mature. You can hold a press conference and, you know,

like not say um and do trinky, you know, he isn't worried about his hair and, you know, he doesn't have much. And, you know, like, I mean, it's really strange. That has really been bothering me.

Because I guess, get the emotional part and when you get blinded by emotion. But at some point you just got to take a step back. And right now there's more and more conservative leaning media, independent media. It is pointing out like it's an emotional response. Like we have to get over this. And yet it doesn't seem like it. Actually, the polls would say, you know, if he pulled a, if he called an election today,

he's getting a majority. And I mean, the recent elections have shown that. I don't know. Your thoughts, like the propaganda thing is really interesting. It's just to me there's more voices. your voice. Well, that's where I actually, I'll push back a little bit, actually. Sure.

Where I do agree, and it comes back to the point I made earlier, is there's been a lack of courage to communicate the other side of the argument, and no one's ever heard the other side of the argument. Yet there's been some polling on vote intention that would just happen this week. And when you look at the vote intention by age demographic, everyone 45 and below is trending conservative. conservatives have the edge. Everyone above that, liberals have the edge.

Sure. And so it's becoming very clear at the moment is everyone who's pretty much in the workforce are the ones who are paying for this tariffor, realize that we need to get a deal done and done now. We're done with the theatrics. Everyone who's either retired, unemployed, or even a student, they have a lot more interested in it. On my drive across Canada, I ran into people 45 and under.

Yeah. conservative. Yeah. And they think, now, once again, they're not political nerds. Political nerds who are staring at this. And I guess me and you are in that class now. Yeah. Are like, this, what are we doing?

If you are going to the Emmet-Ollers game, the Winnipeg Jets game, sorry, Halifax, I think you got the moose heads. Yeah, the moose heads. That's right. There's, if you're in that world and you're conservative, there's a very good possibility. You're starting to think Carney's doing a good job. I don't get, like the polls. can say everybody's going conservative, but like my conversations with random people that are not

in this circle would lead me to believe that whatever Carney and the propaganda arm of Canada's doing right now is working. And that is a very unnerving thing because that is people who vote, but are more inclined to worry about Connor Hellebuck and what's happening with his contract and not playing, rightfully so. I'm kind of curious where that goes to, an American who doesn't want You know, supposedly his family was threatened by a crazy Karen at some point. And now he's like, I'm out of here. You know, like that should wake up hockey fans to where we're at. But those people who get to vote and are conservative by nature are starting to lean.

I think Carney's doing an okay job. I'm like, huh. But maybe, you know, maybe I'm wrong. Maybe my little dealings across Canada and small amount of people I've talked to, maybe the majority are what the polls say. If you're under 44, you're conservative. Yeah, well, it's not in so much that. There's probably that where it is the low conservative.

And people vote by party anyways in this country. But what I want to get to, and I think you bring up a very good point, is it's really important for conservatives to be getting out. And I'm not talking about parties. I'm just talking about people, like the independent medias of the world. We have to be getting out in public, and we have to be holding these public squares

where we have these debates and disqualification. where we have these debates and discussions so people can hear what the arguments are. That's part of the problem is people want to be persuaded. They are primed to be persuaded. Just no one's tried. And that's an issue. So are you tried?

I'm actually in the process of working on one. Are you? Yeah, I'm actually in the process of working on a debate series. We're going to be bringing people on. I'm actually being booking out a full blown studio downtown here in Halifax. We find people out to have debates about these various issues and that we're trying to get that launch for the new year. When that happens, you let us know.

We'll do. Or let me know. Let us know. Because I would love nothing more. You know, I was saying this to Jasmine when I was there. Like, I think we as independent media need to do a better job of supporting one another. And I don't mean, you know, you know, like there was once an idea of like the daily wire of the North, right? Bringing all of us under one flagship.

And I've enjoyed being independent. I'm sure you do too. but when you're doing something that is, in my opinion, cool and, like, could be engaging to a lot of people. Oh, another more than to help promote it so that people know what's going on, right? Because there's things that go on in my own problems. I'm like, when did, where was the memo on that? You know, like, yeah, I would love to have known. So when you get it done or when you start it, you let me know, because we'll definitely promote some of it for you.

So, you know, like you're going to do it just in studio, kind of like, this one on one and then just put it out online or what is your thought process? Yeah, so we want to start out with just kind of like, you know, we'll do a studio and have a moderator and try to make sure it's in as much of a neutral setting as possible because we want to make sure everyone feels like it's fair. But that's where we start and then we would like to see it pick up steam and if people are enjoying it, then we want to start bringing in more like an audience members and stuff on that too just to kind of make it interesting and let people hear and let people who react and let people last questions.

And I think because Crowder, he just did one of these series down at Harvard. And I like the way he set it up is they did like a formal debate with him and a professor. And there was about DEI and its impacts on the, on an education. And they did a formal debate on it. And then they moved to a panel discussion where it was like them plus another individual, three of them sitting on a couch. And then they had Q&A from the crowd. And they were debating with the crowd.

I was like, that was a great. I love that setup. I think it was awesome. And I was like to see us be able to do some more like that here in Canada. Well, I think any time a Canadian brings Canadian content that can actually be useful and we're not farming it out to the United States, I'm all four. Because like the Canadian issues are different than the American ones. They are. Our style of government are just completely a, they're just different.

Yeah. And so we have to find ways to get the Canadians to engage in it. Now, I've spent all this time and I haven't asked, you know, we're now, as we've recorded this, 19 days away from Alberta. having a referendum. Yes. You sit on the other side of the country. Any thoughts on Alberta having a referendum in general? I think it's,

I think it needs to happen. I think it's important. I think Alberta and Albertans have been treated very terribly for a long time, haven't been heard. And I think the frustrating thing about it from here, especially here from Eastern Canadian, is like, he's giving you a pipeline, shut up.

And it's just like, you don't understand the issues, clearly. it's more than just a pipeline and energy. It's the fact that they don't have limited representation in the Senate. The amount of seats they have out there and the amount of say they get in what's going on in their province. That's a lot of where these issues are, very similar to what Quebec's referendum was all about. And so it would be important. And I don't think people don't understand it here. And you've probably experienced this while you've been traveling.

Here in Eastern Canada, especially Atlanta, do not understand what's going on in Alberta. I'm like, go to Alberta and just go live. You'll overhear conversations at the bar, restaurants, people talking about separation. It is very normalized. It's not just a bunch of couple cooks. Like, it's very, it's gotten mainstream, and it's serious. And they have real grievances that need to be heard out. I sit on the side of, like, I would love to, I would want my country to stay together.

I don't want people leaving. But I get it. And I think it's important for them to go through this exercise. and seeing where people really stand, how they feel about leaving the country. Yeah, well, I mean, I'm an Albertan now, born and raised in Saskatchewan. I want the country to stay together.

I just don't know how it does under the current set of circumstances, where we find ourselves. You know, you were talking about being called a traitor for even talking about Donald Trump. Like, as soon as premieres and everybody started chiming in that Albertans were traitors, man, and you want to have a traitor.

Yeah. Man, and you want to see a solidification of people's will. Yeah. Call them traders over and over again. When all they're trying to be is like, there's something wrong. We want change. You won't listen to us to enact any type of that change. So we're going to look through the laundry list of things we could possibly do.

Oh, wait, here it is. Yeah. You know, like. And then. The fortitude to go through the worst months and collect all those signatures, he's like, it just shows you where the people's will in Alberta currently sits. Yeah.

Whether that turns out to be 46%, 66%, you know, or wherever, there is a growing sentiment out in Alberta of like, something is off. We don't want out of Canada, like we don't hate Canadians, well, the way they portray it. It's like,

but there's something drastically wrong in our country. And we all know. But we can't put our finger on it because half of us don't, I shouldn't say lots of people can't put their finger on it because they don't stare at it the way we sit and do. Yeah. But obviously there's a growing amount of Albertans that have put their finger on it as close as they can and went,

this is the way at least we can enact some change from the grassroots level and try and steer our country away from, man, like an iceberg or World War III, whatever. And in the meantime, I mean, like Carney signaling, We're getting closer to Europe, China, all these things, and we're going to demonize the United States while half of us have relatives who live there, work there, we're married and, you know, like there's so much connection there. So it's interesting. But to hear a guy sitting on the other side who, you know, stares at the political realm on a daily basis, it's always curious to me to see what the other side thinks of what's happening in Alberta, right? Because when I left, my memories of the 95 referendum in Quebec are like, I was a kid.

Yeah. So they're like little, little fragments of memories. And I always wondered, I wonder what the rest of Canada thought while Quebec is sitting there going, we want out. Yeah. You know, like, was there the case made of like, you know, we really want you to stay and this is what we're going to do? I mean, everybody stares at what Quebec has now and how they just, you know, they send their leader to the leadership race. the federal debate and he goes, I don't even want to be prime minister anyway.

I'm like, it's just strangest thing ever. You know, like, it's so crazy. Yeah. Yeah, but you're right.

Like, look what Quebec got out of that in Nd5 referendum, right? Like, look what they received. Like, they get federal representation for people who don't want to be prime minister, but they get to hear,

like they have all their, you know, feelings heard out and what they want and all the programs they've received since. And it's just because, oh, to stay. Yet Alberta wants it and it's like,

you guys are traitors. You know, I don't really, again, same as you, I was a kid. I wasn't really around, but I don't really remember hearing the word traitor getting thrown around a whole lot when Quebec one. Well, I mean, they talk about us, not us, people going down to the United States and talking to a different

country and then they point that out. And then you're like, but you realize in Quebec, they went to France, right? Like, what are we talking about here? Like, do we have amnesia? You know, it's like rules for thee, not for me. This one set of circumstances, okay, you know, in the collecting of signatures. Thomas Lukazek goes, gets this $400,000.

And there's no big stink about it because it's staying Canada and that's amazing. They collect $300,000. All of a sudden, elections, Alberta and obviously First Nations say, we weren't consulted. Oh, we can't collect it. And you're like, that was like, what are we talking about? Like, two similar groups on similar issue. and yet different outcomes for what is allowed.

Like that continues to happen in our world. And you just, I sit back, I'm like, man, this is, this is happening in front of everybody. It's like nobody cares or nobody understands or maybe a little bit of both. Yeah. Yeah, it's, I think it's more so people, I think you're right, it is a little bit of both. People don't understand and they don't really want to understand. They just want to be in their groups and be tribal and, you know, tell the other group that they're bad. So how are you, you mentioned debates.

That's what you got caught. You're working towards that in the new year. Yeah. That's one of the ways you're going to try, hopefully, to maybe get different sides of the discussion to listen in and maybe affect a little bit of change. Yeah. That's exactly it is, you know, it's so easy to kind of create these events into like, oh, you know, he dunked on him or he had to check what the city's trap was, you know. It could be one of those. But it really is at the end of the day. It was like, I just want to have the best ideas of the table.

Like, we claim to be a democracy And we claim to want to have a diverse set of opinions at the table Then let's exercise that That's really, but right now, everyone, And you're seeing this constantly online Where there's an individual I've been asking to come debate on the show To meet your suit us.

And, but he's the first one who's like, Oh, you guys are always in your echo chamber And you guys never step out of it. I'm like, yeah, I mean, sure. I'm asking you to come talk. talk to me and let's debate it and you're ignoring me. So you tell me who's in the Reckland Chamber and who's choosing to stay in it. Well, I know from my side, I don't, I don't debate people for the most part. Well, actually, I know I don't. I want to hear their thoughts.

I actually want to understand why they think the way they think, right? And it started in COVID. I remember having a doctor on who was talking about, you know, certain choices and why they're making, okay, fair enough. I don't agree, but okay. But it was good to hear the way they thought. And then I wanted to do it more, and there was like, it was like a memo was sent. You're not allowed to go talk to this guy because he's, he's far right. He's extremely, he talks to all these misinformation specialists and all this stuff. Send you fast forward to politics, because I'd love to have, you know, in Alberta, wouldn't it be interesting to have Nahed Nenshi or somebody on from the opposing side?

They're trying to become a premier of the province. Well, why don't you come on and convince me why you should be? Yeah. I don't think I'm going to agree with you, but in fairness, I'm going to pull. park that thought. I'm going to let you talk, give you access to my, my audience, and let's hear what you have to say. Yeah. And I mean, the amount of times I'm told no, or they just don't respond. I've even had, you know, I think of Charles Adler, I had him coming on the show. I was like, oh, all right. And then it was like two days later, he sent me a nice reply. But just basically,

I was wondering if he finally looked into the show and realized, maybe this isn't a fit, even though I just wanted to hear, I used to listen to Charles Adler as a kid. So it was more of like, I'm kind of curious how he got to, you know, the conservative side of the world is awful. Yeah. And we're going to go into saving the planet and whatever other ideas, the liberal side of things,

lured him in. Yeah. Maybe it's just money. I don't know. Yeah. It's, well, it's funny that you say that because we're actually in active talks at the moment with the leader of the official opposition here in Nova Scotia.

show the NDP. Really? Yeah, she wants to come on and I think that would be a great conversation. I think it'd be interesting. Anytime you get to talk

to the other side, you get to hear what they're thinking. Yeah, exactly. I think it's important. And if they want to actually get elected, like to be government,

I mean, you gotta, like, I kind of give them a tip of the cap on this side. Yeah. You should have to go into rooms with people that are going to disagree

with you and try and convince them of why your way of viewing the world is better. Yeah. And I couldn't agree more. And that's exactly why we want to do it is I've, you know, here in general, I've just not been enthused. I understand that you know, he's done some good things, but I haven't been enthused with Tim Houston at all. And I also, at the same time, there's the similar problem that we're seeing federally we're also seeing here was there's a lack of a strong opposition here.

And so I hear a lot of like Tim Houston's doing this, Tim Houston's doing that. But I'm not really seeing a lot of solid options for like what would you be doing to do. differently and why would that be better. And so that's why that's encouraged the conversation of like, come on the show, let's have that conversation. What would you do? What would you be doing right now? How would you stop responding to this? I'd be curious. So, yeah. Now, I, uh, I was, I was wanting to try this with you. I don't know if it'll work or not. I was like, you know, I wonder what is trending in news right now. Oh, yeah. So, um, okay, BC election. Yeah, man, what about it? Well, I. Well, I don't know. Well,

It just says trending right now. This one says BC judge. But as soon as I saw it, I'm like, wait a second. The BC election is coming up. The NDP Eby calls the election, right? Two years early thinking he's going to just walk in and then the polls flip almost immediately. Your thoughts?

Man, I saw. He's got the biggest smile. He's had the entire time I've been sitting here. Yeah, it's, I'm trying so hard to. I tried not to get into the VC stuff as much as possible because that's gotten so messy. But I'll say this much is the conservatives were before the conservatives had a leader. Before KLF was elected, they were up in the polls. E.B. was losing.

Okay. Then KLF gets in and then all of a sudden you start hearing rumbling. He's like her. She's kind of a little too, maybe too far right. And then all of a sudden you start seeing the MP, MLA's drop like flies all of a sudden. It's like, that seems like odd. And then all of a sudden overnight, felt like overnight, I should say, well, the pulse flip into Evie's favor. And now the conservative's trailing like crazy.

And I'm like, see, people like you and I, we spend time talking about politics a lot. And people in political spaces have an idea who KLF is, but even some people, it's like, I don't really know who she, what she's about, what she is. You think regular people are able to flip that much like crazy based on the personalities who's changing who's in and out? It felt weird to me. So to see that, you know, see the conservatives winning with no leader. And then, you know, a little bit of time later, they're now losing to E.B. And then all of a sudden, they drop the KLF, they insert somebody else.

And then the boom, back up nine points again. I'm like, something feels off in B.C. I'll tell you that much. And so I don't really know what's going on over there. It's weird. Like the polls that came out today were freaking weird, dude. What were the polls today? The polls today had the, so they had innovative polling and then as well as Leger.

Legeet have the NDP winning with a majority government. Innovative, they polled people on the exact same day, dude. Innovative poll came out and said that, oh, no, actually it's the conservatives who are going to win a majority. So two different polling companies who pulled the same day, one saying an NDP majority, the other saying conservative majority. They're not even close. not even, I'm like, I don't know what's going on over there, man. It's psychotic. It's weird.

You think one BC has a chance to grab a foothold in there? I'll be honest. I like Wyatt a lot. Like I consider him a friend. I think he's fantastic. I don't know what's going to happen with them over there. I don't know if they might get a seat if they're lucky. The only, I believe the only reason they had a seat was because they were in the

conservative party in the first place and they stepped out. So them actually winning through an election. I don't know. I'm not really seeing that. bear out in the polls but we can all believe that you know polls are for dogs at this point I guess

so who knows well you know if there's been one thing that's you know like history shows there's very few small yeah I mean one BC is

relatively I know it's not an upstart but like small that all sudden just like that there are a few right I mean the reform party at one point in time federally started very small and jumped very quickly and very quickly in the terms of politics is actually a long process right it is in in days it's in years but it went from a few seats to like

you know i think they became official opposition at one point right so like they jumped immensely in alberta in the 30 30s i recall the social and what were they called um spacing it was ernest manning in that group uh bible bill and then they took a majority from nothing to a majority for like 40 years. So it can happen. Right. But it's very irregular, I would say, for that to happen. There's not a ton of scenarios where that plays out, right?

Even the SaaS partying in Saskatchewan, you know, started out. It took, I think it took eight years, roughly. Might be a little spaced off on how many years, but it wasn't the first election where all of a sudden they became government, right? It took time. and 1BC's been around long enough. You just wonder if people are ready for change and are willing to put that on a voting card

and be like, I'm done with the status quo. But the polling is, I mean, strange. Yeah. The whole thing's weird, man. I don't really, I don't know what to make of it. And especially being on the opposite coast, I try not to get into it because I am so removed. But yeah, just kind of what I'm watching from far,

it just all seems really odd. Okay, something that's maybe a little closer to home is the $1.2 billion for Ocean. conservation from Mark Carney, September 29. So a couple days ago, he revealed a 1.2 billion federal investment to boost ocean monitoring,

ecosystem protections, marine incident response, and indigenous partnership made growing marine traffic. Yeah, I know I'd be to think of that one myself. I know Moose on Lose David did like a whole thing on it and like how, if I remember correctly,

this whole ocean spend has something to do with the carbon credit system Mark Curry is trying to bring in. And so I think that's something I again, I'm not even to pretend as if I know anything about it. That's just, I haven't even watched this video yet on it,

but that's kind of what I was hearing. It was like there's some type of carbon credit play with that one. Okay, and my final one, and I don't know if you care to delve into the situation or not, is Canis Owens. I mean, it just comes up and I'm like, oh, Candace Owens is back in.

They're critiquing a vanity fair profile of Erica Kirk, Charlie Kirk's widow and new TPUSA CO using a split image that many saw as mocking the grieving family. The thumbnail sparked accusations of tastelessness toward Kirk's fatherless children while Owens respond with We Have Fun. Defender saw it as sharp media analysis, but it widened rifts in conservative circles

over personal attacks versus pointed commentary. And that's the thumbnail. Yeah, I saw that earlier today. and I didn't like it, I'll be honest. I don't really know what's going on with Candace in general. I kind of tuned her out probably two months post the Charlie Kirk assassination. Because I felt like she kept going on the same stuff over and over again. I was like, are we getting to a conclusion?

Feels like we're not. And so it just kind of felt like I was kind of being, you know, tune in next week and we'll get to this. It just felt like there was constantly the next shooter drop and we haven't really gotten any more information than we had in originally. And then when I started seeing how, again, that whole promise is, well, if Erica Kirk says to back off, I'll back off. And then Erica Kirk said, told her to back off and she didn't back off. Now she's mocking her vanity fair covers. I'm like, I get the, I understand the argument from the other side on that where I don't know,

I don't know if Erica Kirk is grieving enough. You know, now she's doing these vanity fair covers with her children. And like she's using her children as, you know, props. And I understand the issues people have with it. I just like just stay away from it man like that's how I feel like Candace mocking it I'm like why like what's the point here I don't get it like it it does feel disrespectful regardless how you feel okay so what we're going to do is we're going to pause we're going to go over to substack so for you who want to hear a little more Josh's thoughts I got 10 rapid questions for you while we

finish off and I just want to say thanks again for let me into your you know fortress of solitude and having me here but we're going to switch over to substack so bear with us folks and if you want to hop over in here, you know, a few more questions. That's where we'll be.